Wanna rant about golf carts

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remembertapes@reddit

I just always assume when I see an adult driving one in East Dallas that they've had too many DUIs and can't drive

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forte99@reddit

Waiting for the first flying cart. Then I’ll really have something to shake my fist at….

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RiskyViziness@reddit

I was wondering the same! I don’t know much about the legalities but it’s always in park cities.

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It's quite common in Richardson, where I live, too. It seems very unsafe. Ebikes, scooters, those short, electric surfboard things, out on the streets seems like a bad idea too but I see it daily. Old man yells at cloud

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RichardShermanator@reddit

Why would ebikes on the street seem like a bad idea?

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Vonzales@reddit

In my neighborhood kids ride e bikes on the sidewalk. Almost exclusively on the sidewalk. Seems unsafe to me.

I've seen a kid swerve to avoid a pedestrian on the sidewalk, go off the curb into the street while traveling against the traffic flow direction. He's lucky there was not an oncoming car, delivery truck, mail vehicle thing...

Also seen , probably the same kid, with an unhelmeted passenger on the back, ride off the sidewalk through a stop sign. The e bike for all intents is similar to riding a moped. riding a moped on the sidewalk and running stop signs without a helmet seems like just a matter of time until there's an accident. shrug

The parents know. Either don't care or are not concerned of the safety or legal liability whatever.

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RichardShermanator@reddit

I think we're in agreement - but OP said ebikes in the streets are a bad idea, so it almost sounds like they're suggesting people ride them on the sidewalks. That's why I'm confused.

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Vonzales@reddit

We do agree. I love e bikes.

Kids riding an e bike 20+ mph on side walks? Not so much

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BigFloatingPlinth@reddit

Have a conversation with the local PD. I met with a group of Richardson police officers, showed them my surron, my radpower, explained the difference. Showed them how easy some are to mod outside of spec (my radpower can be switched to 25mph with a few clicks). The white shirt guy with the group was basically dumbfounded that it goes from ebike to motorcycle in the eyes of the law when I do that. The group of kids riding duck creek with surrons was gone the next week. Same with Garland, got a bunch of shit for "no motor vehicles" on the trail. Met with the chief, the city attorney, and a stack of highlighted papers. Guidance went out to the rank and file a few weeks later that correctly explained that class 1 and 2 ebikes are allowed on trails.

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Vonzales@reddit

I'm wondering if DPD would be that receptive. If you happen to have any documentation or resources ready to share, is be super appreciative.

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Fill_Repulsive@reddit

Sadtrombone.com

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playballer@reddit

Why’d you call out park cities if it’s equally a problem where you live in Richardson. Just kinda weird

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Puskarich@reddit

It's more prominent in Park Cities

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Haunting-Berry1999@reddit

It’s a problem in Lakewood too. So the lower level rich kids.

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playballer@reddit

Because golf carts are a luxury they can more easily afford, that’s the only reason. It’s prominence is almost always correlated to house prices/wealth

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Puskarich@reddit

Not sure who downvoted you, you just expanded on what I said, and accurately.

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

Seen it in many different places, seems like a lot in PC. Just my experience. Didn't say it was equally a problem in Richardson, just that I've seen it

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Ichgebibble@reddit

You have to shake your fist at the sky or it doesn’t count

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

That was implied

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Ichgebibble@reddit

Oh. Ok. Sorry for being an obtuse commenter

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

It's useful to teach others the way of the fist

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Ichgebibble@reddit

My approach is to point at the sky and shout “This is all YOUR fault” to the gods, the fates, the universe.

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

And my cloud

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Ichgebibble@reddit

Yes. I’ll shout at your cloud too. It can fuck right off.

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OnPaperImLazy@reddit

Haha I was coming to say the same thing. I see golf carts driving on my residential streets all the danged time.

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PomeloPepper@reddit

I live near one of the Castle Hills communities, and they're all over the place.

Nothing like seeing a kid driving a $20k golf cart around the neighborhood to give you perspective on wealth disparity.

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RepulsiveInterview44@reddit

It’s apparently so big of an issue in Rockwall and Heath that the police issued a press release to parents about this.

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BeekeeperZero@reddit

Canyon Creek. My kids go to school there and hall the carpool is carts on a nice day. Parents are driving but I'll still shake my fist.

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omar_strollin@reddit

Who cares? If they’re legally being operated, it honestly seems like a positive for the community to have less idling cars and crap around your kids.

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TXmama1003@reddit

Take a spin around Lakewood and count the golf carts with kids driving.

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DaddyDontTakeNoMess@reddit

It’s anywhere in DFW where people have the disposable income, and it’s socially trendy

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Namnotav@reddit

It's not just high-income or even private citizens at all. I see it all the time in those huge mega condo complexes near the farmer's market downtown, just facilities staff using streets to get between their private grounds that fully connected. It's used by the private security contractors guarding the convention center. They tend to stick to the sidewalks, but that's arguably worse as they're damn near plowing through pedestrians half the time. It's becoming a thing in the Cedars, too, apparently almost an unofficial free taxi service of sorts shuttling drunk people from Lee Harvey's back and forth to wherever they actually live.

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RiskyViziness@reddit

I think it looks trashy af

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rwdfan@reddit

Because it looks Florida af 😂

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Keep_Plano_Corporate@reddit

The golf cart culture has ruined previously lovely places in Florida, like 30A.

I had a friend with whom we shared a house on 30A a few summers ago, who insisted that we have a golf cart while we were there. He said it would be essential to have a good time, getting to and from the beach, and it would also be helpful for going to dinners. Instead, it ended up being this deathtrap torture device I had to ride on each night in 90-degree humid air to drive to dinner behind cars, SUVs, and Trucks pumping out exhaust. So, while I could have sat comfortably in my vehicle with the A/C on, doing 18 mph down 30A, I instead sat in an open golf cart, doing 18 mph down the same one-lane, hot and humid, narrow street.

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RiskyViziness@reddit

Yes lol

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DaddyDontTakeNoMess@reddit

It depends for me. I don’t mind when the kids drive through neighborhood streets, assuming they’re of scooter driving age ~14+

I don’t like it when they’re driving on fast moving streets. It’s dangerous for them and others.

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NintendogsWithGuns@reddit

It’s in Lakewood as well. Wherever there’s rich white people and a country club, you’re gonna find kids in golf carts.

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Unlucky-Counter3211@reddit

Haha, so true.

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elonzucks@reddit

I have them in my small city north east of dallas as well. Usually kids going too fast and parking where they shouldn't be.

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FunkmasterFo@reddit

And in Las Colinas or anywhere else with a prevalent amount of golfing culture.

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Historical_Dentonian@reddit

Zero emissions, green initiatives made this possible. And the truly funny part is 90% of the carts you see on the roads are gas powered 😂

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whatitpoopoo@reddit

Mind your business

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Captain_-H@reddit

The laws are dated, and they encompass all lower powered electrically driven vehicles. They can be driven in Texas on all roads 35mph and lower, but I’m fairly sure you have you to be either 18 or a licensed driver

Many of them are breaking the law

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liatriss_@reddit

I believe you are also supposed to have an orange triangle reflector on the back if it’s a slow vehicle

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Crookedandaskew@reddit

Golf carts must be street legal with: Golf Cart license plate Headlamps Tail lamps Reflectors Parking brake Mirrors

And per the DMV; the golf cart is supposed to be used on a highway with a posted speed limit of 35 mph, during the daytime and not more than two miles from the location where it is usually parked for transportation to and from a golf course.

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nomadschomad@reddit

Everything you just said applies to actual golf carts

What OP sees on the streets of Park cities are fully registered NEVs. They can basically drive anywhere as long as the post and speed limit is not more than 35.

And also… 2 miles in any direction covers all of UP and HP combined. But again, that doesn’t apply here.

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Crookedandaskew@reddit

Good to know. I had no idea the ATV-esq carts were not classified as golf carts, but that makes sense.

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Snobolski@reddit

There's also something in there about only driving them on the street going to/from the golf course.

Honestly the statute is hard to read for this non-lawyer.

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nomadschomad@reddit

That’s for actual golf carts. Most of the vehicles in the Park cities are NEVs with full registration.

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OddSand7870@reddit

Have to be licensed and insured. As well as the triangle thing.

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Apart-Start6133@reddit

Genuine question, and yes I know “there’s always a first”…have there been lots of reports of golf cart wrecks? Or any?

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GustavusAdolphin@reddit

Claims adjuster here. They're not common, but they happen.

And guess what? Auto insurance doesn't cover liability while operating a golf cart. Your homeowners liability insurance might have an exclusion, too.

So if little Johnny takes the golf cart out for a spin and hits a parked car? You might have to be paying that out of pocket. And if you're a subrogation examiner, you know that the guy who owns a $2.5M house by the lake and a luxury golf cart can pay your $17k demand for damages. I actually just settled a claim like this in another state, guy paid me a sum, plus his own defense costs

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East-Ad-1560@reddit

It has happened.

Golf cart death

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Apart-Start6133@reddit

This is horrible, and I hate to see it…but this looks like adults at a festival lost control of the cart and she fell? She was standing on the back and her husband was sitting on a cooler. Friends were driving the cart, no mention of kids driving.

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Guylikeseverything@reddit

I remember a kid in Rockwall was killed while driving and they cracked down on the law there for a little while. Didn’t last though. I see it all the time there. Blowing through stop signs and stuff. The other day I saw a family on a golf cart and they had a baby seat strapped to the back of it. Absolute morons. If somebody rear-ended them, they would kill their baby.

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

I really don't know, but can't we be proactive, if it hasn't happened yet? Going to bed, so not googling statistics til tomorrow. Good point

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nomadschomad@reddit

If your issue is with kids driving, I agree. I live here and I’ve only seen underage drivers in carts a handful times. Law requires drivers to be licensed. In fact, new laws this year in the Park cities require any operator of an electric bicycle or electric scooter to be a licensed driver.

If your issues is with “golf carts,” I don’t get it. All the ones I see are registered and have all the required equipment to be registered. They aren’t in golf carts per se. They are LSEV or NEV under Texas law.

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DonkeeJote@reddit

Are you worried about their safety or just how they inconvenience you? That will help guide the response.

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

I am 100% worried about these kids. I take the back roads, on my home from work, because I don't care how long it takes me. I hate the traffic, it's better for my head to do it this way. In fact 90% of them are going faster than me. It reallly just makes me anxious for them. On the way home today, there were two kids, maybe 3 or 4 yo sitting backwards in the rear seat. You can bet I stayed 50 yards behind them; I kept picturing one of them tumbling off the back, even though dad was actually driving this time

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_TYFSM@reddit

The only thing making the streets unsafe is all of us going fast in our 4000+ lbs vehicles.

I really hate how here in the states every city is designed only for cars (especially new ones) and people especially young people have zero autonomy to travel. Everything is so far and dangerous to get to. You want to walk/ride your bike to the store for food? Yea good luck that’s 2.3 miles away and the only way to get there is a 6 lane, 55mph road filled with massive trucks and SUV’s.

While I see your concern about safety, I also empathize with people because mobility in this country is absolute trash. Not having a car is almost like a death sentence

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plastic_jungle@reddit

Bars and liquor stores have mandatory parking minimums but nothing about bike racks or walkability. It’s never really about safety.

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_TYFSM@reddit

You’re right it’s all about making the most money possible

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Snobolski@reddit

The only thing making the streets unsafe is all of us going fast in our 4000+ lbs vehicles.

Yeah, when teenagers on some sort of e-scooters yeet themselves across the street (at a crosswalk) in the dark without regard to traffic obeying the 30mph limit, that's not a "car" problem. (I was actually keeping it under 25 because my doggo doesn't like too much breeze in his face on his nightly neighborhood cruise)

Moron parents giving their moron kids these expensive toys with zero supervision is also a big part of the problem.

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Vonzales@reddit

Exactly

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

This isn't about mobility or access, it's about 12 yo kids who can barely see over the steering wheel, driving unsafe vehicles on the road with the aforementioned 4000 lb vehicles, to go to a pool party at their friends house. Thes kids are not going to the store, or work. You are right in that not having a car is practically a death sentence here, but logistically, it's impossible to bike, or walk, to work or to the store; as you said, doesn't change that fact that Dallas is vast and mass transit does not cover it. Golf carts, driven by children, do not belong on the roads

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_TYFSM@reddit

Sure, I hear you. My question to you is why shouldn’t they though? Don’t get me wrong I’ve always hated golf cart moms (the worst) but as I’ve gotten older I’ve really gotten to understand and remember just how terrible it was having to rely on adults in order to do anything here in DFW. Terrible times really. I was an early 90’s child overseas and I could navigate across an entire city on my own before I reached double digit age if I wanted to.

Maybe cars should be extra careful and yield to these crazy kids on golf carts just as if it was an old lady crossing the street, or someone on a bicycle trying to go from point A to point B.

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

Dude (or dudette), I personally keep my distance, will follow at 20 mph, I do treat them like an old lady crossing the street, but it's not me that I'm worried about. It's those idiots that want to blast through anything and will pass on the the wrong side of the road at high speeds. I grew up in a small midwestern town and would bike or walk anywhere I wanted to go. Aint like that here. I understand the idea, but it's just not the reality here. I also appreciate the lack of vitriol in our discussion. Rare

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_TYFSM@reddit

Thank you for clarifying and it’s really great that you are concerned about their safety with other drivers on the road.

In the past I’ve encountered the same thing while riding my bicycle (for exercise) literally every single time. I will usually stick to roads that have a speed limit of 30mph as much as I can, rarely 35mph roads, never 40mph or above. But cars will do the same thing and pass in such a way that caused everyone to be unsafe (going too fast, passing at the wrong time, cutting off oncoming traffic, etc…)

Finally I got fed up and channeled my inner Larry David and went to the city and complained. A few months later I was called to go drive the city with transport engineers and showed them the problem. Within a year they’ve installed painted “bike route” logos on the roads along with tons “share the road” signs.

Not saying it solved the problem but it’s a step in the right direction. You can do the same!

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Delicious_Hand527@reddit

I'm sorry but LOL at the concerns about safety. People are killed everyday on Dallas roads, and it ain't by kids on golf carts. People in TX are so inured to driving carnage they literally have no idea.

Including the OP.

If no 5 year old kids are riding bikes in the road even with 'share the road' signs, it means they realize the roads are freaking dangerous!

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omar_strollin@reddit

I’m with you. We’re always so quick to demonize anything but the cars that are making every other option unsafe. God forbid someone walk, bike, scoot or cart. I might kill them in my car, they are the problem!

It’s honestly such an oblivious American take.

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MagicWishMonkey@reddit

I think the problem is more that children are operating motor vehicles on roadways with those 4000lb vehicles. There's a reason why 16 is the age limit for a drivers license, little kids are not generally very good at paying attention or reacting in a predictable way when something unexpected happens.

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omar_strollin@reddit

Totally understand. Cars are fucking dangerous. Very sick of cars.

I'm just of the opinion that we need to start unraveling the whole "car-centric" nature of how our cities are built, and always yielding to the needs and ease of maneuvering cars is making it progressively more dangerous over time. Kids should be able to walk, bike, even e-scooter around without it being a lethal activity. How can we get there without making everything constantly about "woe is me this is slowing me down in my SUV - fuck your kids!"

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karenquick@reddit

Golf carts are everywhere and they don’t think they have to adhere to street rules. It’s only a matter of time before some kid gets seriously hurt. Parents need to be held accountable for allowing it.

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

Just like we weren't supposed to swim before baseball games. Who's gonna stop me?

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DIYEngineeringTx@reddit

My middle school football coach forbid us from using golf carts on Halloween because they were so prevalent in our town and they were worried a player would run a kid over.

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

Pretty smart. Pretty unenforceable, though

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DIYEngineeringTx@reddit

Yeah I just thought it was weird to make a whole speech about it at the time but in retrospect it was a good word of wisdom.

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nikki109@reddit

I'm starting to see them in my neighborhood in East Richardson. We don't even live by a golf course. I priced one out a while ago...$10k + Crazy to me.

My friends live in a beach community and the folks there love them b/c they can go out and get drunk and have 10 yr old Bobby drive them home lol

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Amissa@reddit

When I visit Port A, I see them everywhere.

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mrKenobi1@reddit

Same thing going on around white rock lake.Kids driving other kids around,dads driving with one hand while holding a baby in the other? I asked a police officer & was told nothing they can really do? Makes no sense to me?They are not street legal,no seat belts,probably flip fairly easy. It’s stupid. Pardon the rant untouched a nerve.

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

Sorry I touched a nerve but kinda glad I did. This needs to be addressed before 8 (overloaded) kids get killed or maimed

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aceloco817@reddit

It's gonna take something like that for any change to happen..

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Keep_Plano_Corporate@reddit

It happens more often than you think.

Wait till you see what happens insurance-wise if you hit one or they hit you.

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Rortugal_McDichael@reddit

Probably wouldn't even change anything in my (slightly cynical) opinion.

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elonzucks@reddit

Sadly, that's 100% correct.

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East-Ad-1560@reddit

People have gotten killed. This is a semi famous local case.Murphee wife

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playballer@reddit

Many are actually street legal LSV/NEV with VINs and all, so long as they are on neighborhood streets doing 25 mph or less.

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willisbar@reddit

Survivorship bias is strong in this one. Because you survived the stupidity of your youth, your children will, too? A tragedy would certainly knock the naivety out of you.

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playballer@reddit

Millions of kids survived the same stupidity. People not surviving is the exception not the rule. Peoples risk assessments are all messed up and fear everything these days or maybe just online

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elonzucks@reddit

"let them have some fun"

Until a car crashes with them and you have a $1M hospital bill

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playballer@reddit

Life isn’t without risks. This doesn’t happen often as you’re imagining it. I personally don’t live my life avoiding fun that has minor risks.

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50bucksback@reddit

I think you just mean an ambulance and funeral bill

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elonzucks@reddit

You really think those same parents wouldn't leave their kid on a ventilator for months/years?

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Unlucky-Counter3211@reddit

Haha, they usually have a cocktail in the other hand🙄

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Severe-Carpenter3232@reddit

My god! Children outside living and not sitting at home in front of a screen. Quick! Call the police!

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RandleMcMurphy1962@reddit

While I get the point you are trying to make, we are not talking about children outside playing cowboys and indians or sandlot baseball. They are driving a vehicle that can kill themselves or others. They are in my neighborhood too, and not even old enough to obtain a drivers license. Which means they have not been trained on the ways of the road. Which makes them dangerous.

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One_Ad_8767@reddit

golf carts everywhere and young kids (not even close to teenager) age wandering very far off in the area, with dogs, golf carts, or walking it’s crazy. i know it’s normal for kids to be outside but they go very far out with no supervision

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Nearby-Oil-8227@reddit

THANK YOU! I 1000% agree. However, I was on Skillman yesterday in Lakewood and saw the exact same thing - it’s not just the Park Cities.

It’s ridiculous, obnoxious and unsafe to be riding around on a city street such as Hillcrest or Skillman in a golf cart with no doors or safety. That’s not even considering the times a child is driving it or 6-7 kids are piled in…

Bored people with way too much money … kids don’t need blinged out golf carts to drive around all day and create safety issues for the rest of us in normal cars

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bluechip1996@reddit

White privilege

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TexasShiv@reddit

Ah yes. The famous white priviledge of….driving a golf cart.

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bluechip1996@reddit

Ah yes. The famous "going to pretend the park cities are just like the folks in S Dallas with their $40K custom golf carts"

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TexasShiv@reddit

Now do all the other neighborhoods in DFW where this is also occurring.

Do it with the ATVs/mini bikes happening throughout DFW/Houston

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conan_the_annoyer@reddit

I can live with the golf carts, but the electric bikes are another story. I can’t believe a kid hasn’t died yet. Those things need to be off the streets.

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GoldenFlicker@reddit

I get annoyed by it around my neighborhood too. It’s always in the summer when the kids are out of school. Never an issue around me any other time.

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us287@reddit

Interesting. You need a DL to drive a golf cart on a public roadway in Texas. It might not be enforced, but that’s the law.

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

Thanks for that info, will be saying it to the kids I see driving. I'm sure they don't know and their parents think they're bulletproof. And they probably are. But if they smash into my car, with the chidren driving an unlit, unlicensed, fiberglass, open vehicle, I'm totally fucked

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Appropriate-Act1411@reddit

Recently moved to Galveston and had an older man, with a drink in one hand, hit my husband’s parked car with his golf cart at top speed. His wife broke the windshield and fell to the road. She was taken away by an ambulance. A paramedic told us that they saw lots of golf cart injuries, and would never use one on a road.

The driver did pass the sobriety test.

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cyphertext71@reddit

What kind of response do you think you will get from kids driving them? I doubt it is going to be one you will be happy with.

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

You're right. I'll keep my mouth shut

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rcheneyjr@reddit

You’ll get the 🖕

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Phynub@reddit

Surprised the law isn’t being enforced in HP. 1 mph over the speed limit? Straight to jail

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MagicWishMonkey@reddit

Are you really surprised the law isn't being enforced when the people breaking it are rich kids?

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BeekeeperZero@reddit

When i lived there the cops were fine with residents but loved smashing the people driving through. I still avoid it.

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AppropriateAd3055@reddit

Lol these dude blasting out into the normal flow of traffic like everyone should immediately yield to them. It's wild. Not to start any shit but it is literally only males I've seen doing stuff like this.

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Maltempest@reddit

Privileged parents, these are the morons who say it's the teachers fault because their kid isn't behaving or the same donkeys who complain about driving to 3 separate sporting practices and bitch about game day juggling. Not their problem, it's yours, I got my token truck, Tesla and ride to the park in my jacked up golf cart that takes up garage space.

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Fattymaggoo2@reddit

You should see how bad it is in Rowlett. But most of the people driving the golf carts are the children

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_TakeMyUpvote_@reddit

it happens in lakewood too.

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darkwing--duck@reddit

Those are definitely all words.

I get it, but let the kids have some damn fun. I terrorized my neighborhood streets and the power line fields with my dirt bike as a kid. We rolled around in my friends dad's golf cart and damn near killed ourselves when we flipped it one day. Its called being a kid.

Look, I get it. You don't agree with the way other people parent. That's fine. But your way isn't THE way, it is A way.

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Snobolski@reddit

Those are definitely all words!

Look, I get it, you think the rules of society don't apply to you.

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darkwing--duck@reddit

Mostly. No, I couldn't give a shit less about golf carts. I have actual issues, like tax fraud and finding my next co-ed with daddy issues to exploit.

Also, I make enough to buy myself out of most problems, so there is that. Laws only apply if you can't afford to circumvent them.

Have a great day!

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Snobolski@reddit

Laws only apply if you can't afford to circumvent them.

I hope you have an awesome day, full of ill-intentioned people with money and the same attitude!

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darkwing--duck@reddit

I'm in sales, so it's a guarantee with my clientele. Funny enough, many of them live in the area where OP is complaining. Lol. So yeah, most of them do have money and a similar outlook.

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meleant@reddit

A law changed a few years ago that opened this up legally. Subchapter D at this hyperlink: https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs/tn/htm/tn.551.htm

A law was passed in 2023 and suddenly everyone in the Park Cities seemed to have a personal golf cart they were driving around. Seems silly to me.

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Significant_Sale6750@reddit

Seen them in my neighborhood in Dallas too. Had the same thoughts about danger. On the other hand is it more dangerous than a kid riding a bicycle? Probably is, due to higher speed.

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Fill_Repulsive@reddit

Let’s focus on laws against cannabis. That’s how you keep everybody safe s/

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Vonzales@reddit

Sadtrombone.com

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Skydog69@reddit

Started seeing golf carts in my neighborhood, one of the signs it’s gentrifying lmao. That and all the teardowns for new multimillion dollar homes

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BabyBearMan@reddit

I'm gonna print up new signs for the M Streets where I'm at.

"Drive like your children drive here".

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ceciladam9091@reddit (OP)

Seems more prevalent there, but it seems to be a thing in other burbs. Seen it in many different hoods