'Zero' Demand: Ferrari Is Reportedly Delaying Its Second EV
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Posted by Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 117 comments
kimi_rules@reddit
Ferrari can stay with ICE, they sell in very low volumes to make a lot of difference, and most of it don't get driven alot anyways.
Leek5@reddit
Problem with ev collector cars is what do you do when they no longer make the ev battery. There’s really no standard for them. They also fail even if you don’t drive them. You can get a battery for a 100+ year old car still
Single_Hovercraft289@reddit
Batteries will be easier to replace than engines and transmissions forever
Volts are volts Amps are amps
narwhal_breeder@reddit
The same thing that happens when people need to refurbish an engine that no longer has any factory support for - they pay someone to figure it out.
There are already companies refurbishing battery packs for first gen Tesla roadsters.
IAmTaka_VG@reddit
Fuck collector cars. They’ve ruined the market
Leek5@reddit
Yes, I guess if the collector didn’t buy the million dollar Ferrari a regular person can?
IAmTaka_VG@reddit
Oh bugger off. You know damn well every OEM now has to have these one off specials, badge happy trims for an extra $5k.
Everything is “special” and overpriced for no reason but to price gouge.
If they stopped this crap maybe a normal person could afford a Porsche.
Leek5@reddit
Isn't that more on the oem. If they made more of the vehicle people wanted it wouldn't be so inflated. They keep the production low to drive up the price
Matt_WVU@reddit
Some of these brands don’t make any sense in terms of going EV.
Ferrari is all about sound and driving dynamics. I don’t think the average Ferrari buyer is interested in EV’s with a Ferrari badge.
Recoil42@reddit
Matt Farah was recently talking about how much he liked testing the Lambo Revuelto (which has a PHEV powertrain) because in EV mode, he could creep away from the house without bothering the neighbours.
I'd say PHEVs are the likely long-term future for supercars and hypercars. There are absolutely reasons you want silent running, even if you want a V12 kicking in after you've left the compound.
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
I think he's borrowed that talking point from Chris Harris, who's been using it for years on various podcasts (including possibly The Smoking Tire).
strongmanass@reddit
It's not just Chris Harris who feels that way. It's the dominant opinion among British journalists. Matt Prior, James May, Harry Metcalfe, Dan Prosser, Andrew Frankel, and others have expressed the same sentiment. I'm not surprised Matt Farah also feels the same way.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Practically everyone I know who owns a hybrid or PHEV exotic says they will never go back and that its an incredible QoL feature.
These engines are high-strung and peaky, they feel clunky to drive around at low revs, and often mated with dual clutch setups that aren't much fun in the city either. downsizing, turbos, and DI means at pedestrian speeds they basically sound like tractors anyways.
Being able to opt out of that at any given moment is incredibly good to have.
strongmanass@reddit
How much range do you get from your NSX? Does it have a hold feature to save battery power for a distance you choose? I know that's a recent trend though and the NSX was more like the holy trinity approach for low six instead of low seven figures.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
It doesn’t have a hold feature but it doesn’t not have a hold feature - even on track it will preserve charge, there’s no push to pass, it’s a more primitive or more cohesive implementation depending on how you look at it. Essentially the track mode is equivalent to the endurance mode on any other hybrid
Battery is like 1kwh, slightly larger on the type-s, realistically you get like 5mi of range max, press the pedal a little too much and gas kicks in, battery goes low and it’ll run like a generator. It’s similar not in architecture but in power management to the current civic hybrids lol.
It works well for me because I just need 2-3mi to get out of stop-go traffic on the city and it’s more than enough to parallel park, but it’s not like a 296 where you can solely use the electric range daily, and it will always lose on track to an e-ray because you can push-to-pass your way through the straights
It’s a really odd but interesting setup where it’s essentially a 400v mild hybrid system
strongmanass@reddit
The NSX is really underrated and got way too much hate. The way you describe everything almost makes me want a hybrid myself. But the complexity concerns me.
avoidhugeships@reddit
Kind of a silly thing since active exhaust exists.
tyfe@reddit
Cold starts are kinda still a thing.
avoidhugeships@reddit
not with an active exhaust. I can even set it to automatically quiet start by time of day.
377ci@reddit
muh dump pipe v12's
PinkishOcean430@reddit
So he just bothers a different neighbor. His hood is too big for that car to get out of without firing up. He is super secretive like he lives in a bunker but it's South Halm Ave...
verdegrrl@reddit
No doxxing. Thanks.
PinkishOcean430@reddit
It's public information and I didn't put address either.
GymLeaderMatt@reddit
I think hybrid electric turbo setups like Porsche has with the new GTS is the way to go. Keeps everything as pure as possible for driving enjoyment without compromising the drivetrain.
Nikiaf@reddit
The average Ferrari buyer is also virtually guaranteed to have multiple other cars that they daily drive, likely one of which will be more efficient.
Prestige brands like this shouldn't be held to the same electrification standards, they just don't sell enough volume for it to matter; and the cars they do sell simply are not driven very much.
Recoil42@reddit
There's a misconception embedded in here somewhere: Pretty much all of the standards are credit-based and emissions-based, so prestige brands aren't really held to electrification 'standards' at all. They can buy (and sell) emissions just like the other automakers do.
There are some exceptions (ie, California) and it currently gets a bit fuzzy towards 2035 for a bunch of complicated reasons, but I think you'll see some easing off on that as we head towards 2030 anyways. In the meantime, brands like Ferrari and Lamborghini can deliver whatever they like... which is exactly why you're seeing them delay EVs now. 🤷♂️
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
I will also say, can you imagine an exemption for rich people cars (which are what Ferraris are) going down well?
EicherDiesel@reddit
Yep I don't want any exception just because you can pay the right guys to shut up, be it noise, emissions, design choices or whatever. Either there are rules or there aren't, rules for thee but not for me sucks ass.
Note I'm not favoring rules that would make selling Ferraris impossible but I want the same freedom for me who isn't exactly shopping in the Ferrari price range.
Salty-Dog-9398@reddit
There should be an unlimited class available for FMVSS/EPA regulation. Maybe auction off 1,000-10,000 permits a year for the right to basically import/build any car.
We already do this for small scale companies that want to build replicas of older cars.
realKevinNash@reddit
I think this is one reason eventually we may see some pushback against these rules. I get wanting to be green, but a lot of whats going on is cutting in one area to meet these arbitrary standards and screwing over the consumer. At some point someone is going to speak out and hopefully get some pressure to remove these ridiculous standards.
budgefrankly@reddit
There are also small-volume-manufacturer excemptions: though post-IPO Ferrari has dramatically increased production volumes
CarAndTennisGuy@reddit
I took the "standards" comment to mean things like 300 mile range, fast charging, NACS port etc. Not legal regulations.
besselfunctions@reddit
Well they aren't. Plus the gas guzzler tax is a joke.
narwhal_breeder@reddit
Even from an ecological standpoint - EVs still take more carbon emissions to build than gas cars, and the breakeven point is between 25,000 - 65,000 miles. With the volumes ferrari is building at, and their construction (carbon fiber moves the breakeven way farther) its probably much higher than 60,000 miles.
So in the end, an EV Ferrari will likely be a net-greater contributor to emissions than their gas powered models.
Cautious-Question606@reddit
You got source that EVs are more polluting than ICE cars?
tujuggernaut@reddit
From the EPA)
Over the lifespan the footprint of an EV is lower but initially (e.g. off the lot) the footprint is higher than a ICE car.
Tomcat115@reddit
It’s fairly known that lithium ion batteries aren’t the cleanest to produce and lots of material needs to be dug up in order to build one. The only way for an EV to make up for that impact is to drive more to offset that production impact. Here’s an article from MIT about it.
narwhal_breeder@reddit
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/
ainsley-@reddit
A Ferrari style Taycan would sell imo but anything else just wouldn’t work.
strongmanass@reddit
The mistake all these legacy brands are making is to try to appeal to their existing clientele. I'm not pretending there's equal demand for electric supercars as traditional ICE ones, but there's more than they think. They keep looking in the wrong places. What they're doing now is like going to a steak restaurant and asking who wants their wagyu replaced with a seitan substitute. And when nobody takes up the over they conclude that nobody wants it.
What they need is to attract entirely new buyers to the brand and segment. But they can't lean on their engines and "character" to do that so they're lost.
oliverprose@reddit
Harley have tried it twice to my knowledge, with the V-Rod and derivations to get away from the old air cooled stuff and then again with the Livewire EV and both didn't do as well as the company had wanted. They did manage to integrate the liquid cooling into newer old-style engine designs to keep the traditionalists on board, but they're still struggling from not hitting that sweet spot.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
That's exactly right answer. We've now seen many startup automakers and Chinese automakers trying to catch these rich people with their high performance EV models. Of corse, current almost no exotic people care about their EV models, but they're still trying to built their fanbases and that market because they can.
ActualCounterculture@reddit
But it could bring a new one, just look at Lamborghini Urus
r0bman99@reddit
Car enthusiasts don’t buy Urus’s. They’re primarily bought by idiotic influencers who call them “Trucks”
strongmanass@reddit
This is the no true Scotsman fallacy. Plenty of enthusiasts have an Urus because what they want is an SUV that drives as well as the form factor allows. You can't exactly put a rear facing child seat in a Huracán. Then when they want their alone time in the canyons they take the sports car.
Angry_Guppy@reddit
There’s plenty of nouveau rich who buy Ferraris for the prestige too without really caring about the mechanical aspects of the car too
poopoomergency4@reddit
the urus was a pretty easy risk for lamborghini to take, audi did all the design/platform/engine work for them
EnormousGucci@reddit
It actually makes a bit more sense for Lamborghini because those actually sell based off design and brand. The Urus is basically the LV bag of crossovers. Ferrari can sell cars off exclusivity and brand too but not to that extent, most of Ferrari’s appeal is from racing fans and enthusiasts who want a good driver’s car.
shewantsthadit@reddit
I think this is true partially but there are definitely Ferrari buyers who buy it for the brand and Lamborghini drivers who buy SVJs because they think it's the best driving experience. It doesn't have to be one or the other imo
EnormousGucci@reddit
Well that’s what I said though isn’t it. I don’t think anyone gets a Lamborghini because “it’s the best driving experience.” Engine, sure. Design, yeah. Brand, absolutely. But driving experience hasn’t ever been associated with Lamborghini really. People have complained about how the V12 cars drove since at least the Countache. Lamborghini is in essence the default flex/influencer car. Now I myself have only driven a Huracan, and it was really cool but I have driven more fun cars than that even. Very easy and pleasant most of the time, then you can let it rip for some glorious noise.
Ferrari markets itself on driving experience much more. Like I said some people get a Ferrari to flex but most people buying a car just to flex will almost always get the Lamborghini.
shewantsthadit@reddit
I think it's the same as BMW and Mercedes to me - the selling point is BMW=drivers with luxury and Mercedes=luxury car with performance at some point. Today they have gotten more and more towards the middle to where they compete directly with basically the exact same customer base - BMW's electric steering has gotten more dead and AMG has helped Mercedes compete with the best of them in performance.
That is probably true for Ferrari and Lamborghini as well. They both sell keychains, hats, t-shirts, and rentals for rappers and they both also have car people legitimately into driving who believe the car offers the best dynamics/experience on the road.
-soof@reddit
urus worked so well because the most expensive SUV on the market was the Cayenne, G63, RSQ8 etc. that means if you made $20m a year then you’re buying the same SUV as someone who makes $500k a year. this is absolutely not the case with the ferrari EV
bobsbitchtitz@reddit
I doubt Ferrari could make a faster EV than the Model S plaid this quick either. It would probably look cooler though.
grilledcheeseburger@reddit
Why not? Lucid already has.
Silly_Triker@reddit
The weight too. You can give it loads of power, torque and fancy aerodynamics. But it’s still not as fun throwing it around a race track when it weighs the same as a truck.
caterham09@reddit
Ferrari isn't even getting good demand for it's v12 car right now from what I've heard.
The brand in general is just not advancing in the correct direction and it's hurting sales. The biggest competition for a new Ferrari is a used one. When you can get a 458, or a 488 for nearly half the price of a new 296, why would you choose the car with the v6? Same with the 12 cylindiri, what actually separates it from the 812 or the f12 Berlinetta? Not all that much.
cookingboy@reddit
I agree with your general assessment but as someone who almost bought a 296 yesterday, that V6 sounds a lot better and is a lot more emotional than the turbo V8 in the 488 and F8.
The 458’s NA V8 is still the best though.
And on the used market, a slightly used 296 is about $300-350k, only $100k more than a much older 488, and cheaper than F8s.
krackenracer@reddit
The “cheaper than F8” part is the most shocking on this. And you aren’t wrong….
cookingboy@reddit
I think a lot of people are fixated on the “last mid-engine V8 Ferrari”.
I mean you own both, and you can tell me how they compare. In my experience the F8 is a fine car but the 296 is truly special to drive and sounds better.
krackenracer@reddit
I would like the buttons/old school interior of the F8 + the drivetrain of the 296 + the reliability of the F8 + the suspension/brakes of the 296 into one car....then it would be perfect. And whatever designer thought haptic buttons were a great idea should be shot into the sun.
Oh and the 296 sounds even better than my 488 did. There is no fixing that on the F8 sadly.
cookingboy@reddit
Lol that's pretty much the feedback I'e heard from all of the 296 owners. I think hopefully Ferrari dials back some of the dumb digital stuff. Capacitive touch for engine start is a travesty in a Ferrari.
That is why I'm so tempted and almost pulled the trigger. However, I can also see the argument for its future depreciation because as good as the 296 is, it's just the start of the V6 hybrid line. The successor will likely better in every way (hopefully more analogue controls too), in terms of both performance (not that you need more than that) and more importantly, reliability.
So as far as hybrid Ferrari goes it will only get better from here, and I can see why some people will be concerned about the 296's value holding. I mean the SF90's depreciation scared a lot of people lol.
Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit
If people buy them anyway, why bother?
krackenracer@reddit
The competition is also at a high level, and even Ferrari at a certain point has to start listening to their clients. They are slowly (very very slowly) starting to at least try to pretend to maybe care about their buyers.
krackenracer@reddit
There is always something better/faster/cheaper just over the horizon. And in the long run we are all dead.
cookingboy@reddit
Speak for yourself I'm gonna live foreeeeeever~~~
But yeah, very good point lol. As an engineer I've been trying to use logic to justify buying an F-car but at the of the day that's dumb, and it's an emotional decision and the 12 year old kid inside of me just wants it haha.
Automatic-End-8256@reddit
Looks are subjective but I think the F8 looks better than the 296 and the 488. That is a large factor in most Ferrari buyers. Also lets be real most of them sell with less than 3k miles
TheWorstPartIsThe@reddit
I'm in the same bracket, but bro, you can't just drop that and not be seen as out of touch.
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
Context matters. When you’re talking about exotics, $100k isn’t much.
TheWorstPartIsThe@reddit
It really doesn't matter to being in-touch.
caterham09@reddit
I'm in the wrong tax bracket
EnormousGucci@reddit
Well yeah, the 12Cilindri is a massive departure from the last few V12s and it’s pretty ugly imo. Since they didn’t want to release a proper GTC4Lusso successor and plopped the Purosangue out, now they don’t even have a very appealing “practical” V12 Ferrari anymore.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
I'm more surprised no body caring 512 Testarossa anymore.
EnormousGucci@reddit
Nobody really cared when they came out surprisingly. The Testarossa was a response to the Countache, they did another mid engine V12 with the 512 and then stopped because they were just better at doing their own thing rather than chasing Lambo.
krackenracer@reddit
No idea where this myth came from - probably the incorrect Doug Demuro podcast about weak V12 demand. Ferrari dealers are having no trouble filling allocations for the 12Cilindri. Some normal buyers are passing for sure due to the ridiculous price increase on that model PLUS the unknown tariff that will get added by Ferrari when it hits the U.S., currently about 8% as I recall offhand. But there ain’t any unsold cars sitting at dealers and there won’t be, this is a niche market.
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
Good.
MangoAtrocity@reddit
About as much sense as naming their SUV “pure blood,” yet here we are
PSfreak10001@reddit
I mean why, there might be a chance that it is awesome. Small but still
Automatic-End-8256@reddit
If the tech got a lot lighter the instant torque is cool;
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
EVs have their place (I own one) but the exotic segment isn’t it.
strongmanass@reddit
Why not? It can provide an experience than an ICE performance car can't. The weak demand is reason for Ferrari not to make it right now (although I still maintain they and their competitors don't know how to reach EV buyers). But I don't see any fundamental reason that electric supercars shouldn't exist.
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
Engine noise and feel is a big part of the supercar experience. EV misses on that and the market seems to agree across the board, they mostly depreciate/sit unsold. The breakneck acceleration appeal dies down very quickly, especially as you climb up price bands. Take it from Mate himself.
The supercar segment is too crowded already, no need to further clutter it with EVs.
strongmanass@reddit
Engine noise and feel are part of the ICE supercar experience. I don't think auto makers should try to reach buyers who value that. IMO there's a rewarding experience to be had from electric performance cars that's not lesser, just different. And it's more than just the acceleration.
As for Rimac, you wrote a post where you spoke about the differences in buyer pool and market dynamics between the $2 million+ hypercars and supercars an order of magnitude less expensive. I'm not sure how relevant the Nevera's weak sales are to a regular production supercar.
It's possible I'm extremely idiosyncratic in being interested in an electric supercar. But then I'd have to ask who are the people who put $50K down for the second generation Tesla roadster. Or the people spending $150-200K secondhand on the first-gen. Or the people who spent $500K - $1 million the electric SLS AMG. Or the people who put $25K down for the Polestar 6 (admittedly GT rather than supercar). Or the people who reserved the Wiesmann Thunderball.
It's entirely possible that the sum total of those people and others like them doesn't justify a production run. But I'm also not convinced the Italians are trying to reach those people.
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
I’m really not sure what unique experience a new EV supercar would offer. I can understand the appeal of regular commuter cars that have a sporty side, like the Ioniq, but I’m not so convinced on purpose built exotics. I just don’t see the target market here and apparently neither does Ferrari.
Back when the Roadster gen1 was released, consumer electric cars were still a novelty, which certainly isn’t the case anymore. I’d wager that a good chunk of people buying them now also buy them for the story - the first real mass produced electric sports car. As for gen2, didn’t a whole bunch of people revoke their deposits after being strung along for the better part of a decade? That’s an unfinished experiment.
Can’t really compare the e-SLS either - they made less than 10 of those and that adds a very desirable collectibility aspect the Ferrari certainly won’t have. Not sure how many of those went to the market you’re referring to vs collectors but I’d bet it’s the latter. I see one sold for $1.4M in 2021, so it looks like it paid off, I wouldn’t count on the Ferrari returning these numbers and that’d likely turn away the investor types.
I had to look up Wiesmann and can’t find any production numbers but most reports suggest it’s a small run. Again, likely won’t entice the Ferrari buyer.
Most of the examples you gave were extremely limited run vehicles whose sales cannot be extrapolated from. You are hypothesising that a market exists for this vehicle when all signs point otherwise.
strongmanass@reddit
For me, in addition to the instant torque it's the variation in character and response you get from multiple motors, selectively driven wheels, and millisecond fast traction control. The lack of noise is also a distinct part of the appeal for me. If I want to go fast I'm not announcing it to or annyoing everyone in a half mile radius. And when I'm not driving aggressively the car can settle down and be pleasant instead of droning right behind my head. Every time I've driven ICE supercars I've left with a headache wishing they had been electric.
I gave those examples not to estimate a market size, but to suggest that it's possible there's interest that Ferrari et al aren't capturing because they're looking in the wrong place. IMO most early EV supercar buyers won't come from existing client lists. They may not care about the brand, a relationship with them, or their history. I think that's hard for those auto makers to pivot to because they don't usually have to court new buyers.
Ferrari can't find interest among their client list, ditto for Porsche and Maserati. Adrian Hallmark wants to mimic a V12 sound in Aston Martin EVs. Lamborghini are struggling to give the Lanzador the "character" (aka boisterousness) of a Lamborghini. Even Bentley are considering piping in a fake V8. These brands can't fathom a buyer who just wants a fast quiet car that handles like it's on rails.
I'm sure I'm not the only one on the planet who wants that, partially because ive had exchanges with people who also want that. If I'm wrong then so be it and I'll find a solution for my automotive dreams elsewhere. But I'm not seeing any evidence that these brands know how to reach the people most likely to buy an electric supercar.
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
Fair enough about wanting speed without bothering everyone around you, hadn’t really considered that.
You could very well be right that there’s a large customer base lurking that just hasn’t been adequately catered to. I hope that one of these manufacturers makes what you desire sometime soon, that’ll be the best test to see if your theory’s correct. That said, I don’t think Ferrari are going to be the ones to do it. They’re very much a legacy brand and don’t seem particularly keen on doing much besides keeping their legacy customers happy and brand image untarnished. Maybe one of their more adventurous, less rigid competitors can take on this challenge.
Just saw your other comment to me about tone. Don’t worry, I read no aggression in this discussion. While your frustration is palpable, it didn’t seem to be aimed at me. FYI - I’m not downvoting you - I haven’t voted on anything in this thread at all.
strongmanass@reddit
I wouldn't say it's a large customer base, only that I think it's bigger than the manufacturers realize. Thanks, fingers crossed someone holds their nerve and buysrs respond well. If there's nothing really special on the horizon by the end of the decade, I'll probably settle for something on the market: Maserati, Porsche until they say otherwise, and probably BMW. All things considered, that's not exactly a bad group to choose from.
Logically I get Ferrari's position. They're a corporate entity, and especially now that they're public their duty is to make as much money as possible. If they don't see EVs as contributing to that, then no EVs.
I'm glad I didn't come across rude. I'm not surprised at the downvotes. My opinions on EVs are unpopular in enthusiast spaces and the way I express them rubs some petrolheads the wrong way.
strongmanass@reddit
Also I hope I'm not coming across as aggressive toward you. If I am, I apologize. We have a difference of opinion and that's fine. You're obviously more tuned in to the traditional supercar market than I am and I know you're speaking from experience as a legacy buyer.
My frustration is purely with the manufacturers and the cancelation of nearly every car I've been looking forward to. I don't mean to take it out on you.
PSfreak10001@reddit
The thing is I won‘t be buying an exotic supercar anytime soon anyway, so I would love to see these companies actually try to come up with different solutions to the EV challenges. Much more interesting to me than the next ultra fast V12 with much more HP and slightly different sound.
Vis_Vires@reddit
I recently drove an Ioniq 5 N and it was a ton of fun. Similar to my Veloster N. I think Ferrari could make an awesome EV if they tried but I feel like this is just an attempt to sell an average EV with a Ferrari logo.
SpaceghostLos@reddit
A fEVarri?
😆
shellmiro@reddit
It would've been interesting to see their take on what an EV could be but I agree that an EV Ferrari is absolutely non-senscial.
But then again, people said the same thing about the SUV but it's booked out for years now.
DeviousMelons@reddit
They should do one, just one, call it the Experimento or something to test the waters.
Chrodesk@reddit
anyone that said that was a homer or a fool. porsche has ample evidence for over 10 years.
krackenracer@reddit
The only reason they have buyers committed to the first EV is that it was a requirement for Top Tier/VIP buyers to get one, in exchange for continued allocations of Icona/F80/etc. There is essentially zero demand for an EV Ferrari after that.
budgefrankly@reddit
Buyers are not being asked to commit to a non-existent EV.
They do have to buy and hold 296s, SF90s and/or Purosangues to qualify for the exotics.
The F80 is already sold out, as are the Icona cars.
krackenracer@reddit
oh sweet child....they are not being asked to commit to the new ev YET. Once it is ready for orders, how do you think it's going to be "sold out" soon after being announced? Everyone knows the expectation here, for the same reason that people who passed on the SP1/SP2 had a very difficult time getting a SP3. If you are top tier/VIP and you pass on the EV, then perhaps it impacts your chances of a SP4 allocation.
I am well aware that the PRIOR Icona cars and the F80 have already been allocated. I am referring to future cars in those lines, be it SP4/Speciale Aperta, whatever the 12Cilindri VS is, etc.
krackenracer@reddit
I should also clarify that this is how it is generally working in the US market, where there is still pretty healthy new car demand from buyers trying to build and/or maintain their profiles with the factory. I don't claim to know what is happening overseas or how those relationships are going.
hundredjono@reddit
Bring back the n/a V8
budgefrankly@reddit
That's an argument for slower cars, which they're struggle to sell.
They already sell n/a cars but with V12s
NimbleCentipod@reddit
Wow. Who could have guessed?
humdizzle@reddit
ferrari with an EV powertrain is basically a bmw i8... and we saw how the demand for those turned out.
porsche can't even sell Taycans.
Tbro100@reddit
The i8 had a 3 cylinder hybrid set-up and didn't even make 400hp.
The Taycan is still outselling the Panamera, so it's not like it's the weakest link. They also increased the price by like $8-12k for two model years before an imminent facelift.
strongmanass@reddit
I doubt Ferrari would ship a 3 cylinder PHEV. The Taycan sold great in its first three years. Whether it hit market saturation, the Macan EV cannibalized it, or the competition got better (or some combination of all three) is for them to figure out. But 35K sales a year for a first EV attempt that was worse than competitors in some livability metrics and had known problems is a success IMO.
BigOldButt99@reddit
what the fuck was their first EV?
hnwy@reddit
I’ll take it for 5k.
Fuman20000@reddit
One of the most infamous manufacturers of ICE vehicles thought it was a good idea to put their most magnificent V-8 engines on the back burner and expected demand to hold up? How stupid could they be? I’m starting to suspect a lot of these people in management positions aren’t enthusiasts.
Chrodesk@reddit
Im really not sure what ferrari could do with an EV. like zero holds barred, still not sure what can be done for the weight and heat management of a battery pack.
Sure, you could just say most ferraris are just doing commutes and grocery runs, not actually dealing with hot laps at the track, but that just erodes their image if they dont even pretend.
Maybe if they could just dump a million dollars of solid state batteries... do something absolutely batshit.
Itaintall@reddit
Color me shocked; shocked, I say.
flaagan@reddit
Can't, you didn't buy one.
TheAppropriateBoop@reddit
Not surprised. Their buyers aren’t exactly lining up to whisper around in silence
flaagan@reddit
Gotta announce that the self-indulgent wiener has arrived.
varezhka11@reddit
Buying an EV Ferrari is like buying a quartz Rolex. Sure, they may be able to give more accurate time and I’m sure they made sure the watch is just as luxurious as their mechanical counterpart. But that’s not what Rolex is about. And this is coming from someone who prefers the mechanical simplicity of quartz watches.
poopoomergency4@reddit
i could've told ferrari that before spending any R&D money. are they hiring consultants?
scubaSteve181@reddit
Ya don’t say… talk about not knowing your audience lol
NuttFellas@reddit
You can tell they are fighting tooth and nail to try and keep their ICE engines, otherwise the first one wouldn't have been a hatchback...
I'm so frustrated with these western manufacturers apparently not trying to innovate at all. Of course there is no demand when you're holding it at arms length from you!
reward72@reddit
I wouldn't mind an EV as a daily. But as a weekend car that will see low mileage, give me a roaring engine. That might even be better for the planet considering that ICE cars pollute as they are driven while manufacturing batteries pollutes the same regardless of the car actual use.
Percolator2020@reddit
Much better with a V6 hybrid turd.