ULPT: Any tips to deter slow drivers in the fast lane without creating the risk of an accident, or road rage incident?

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Nescient_Jones@reddit

You know flashing the high beams used to be a request to pass. Often referred to as flash to pass.

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SmoothPutterButter@reddit

A pass to flash gives you permission to show off your high beams

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It might be uncool, but if they really dont get the message or if multiple people are moving over to the right lane and then back into the left to get ahead of them, ill get in front of them and let off the gas totally so i slow down a lot, until they move over. Never had any issues doing it, but I live in Seattle where the people are passive aggressive and the drivers are dipshits.

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Horse__Latitudes@reddit

I did this for another reason. I was driving slightly over the speed limit in the middle lane, and someone decided they needed to drive almost attached to the back of my car. So I took my foot off the gas and let my car slow down until he decided he wanted to move from behind me. Then I resumed my normal speed.

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masspromo@reddit

You have the procedure correct you are only missing the step when you slow down in front of them you empty your washer fluid onto their windshield

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Tight_Dot_2982@reddit

Or a handful of gravel out the window.

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-KingAdrock-@reddit

*golf balls

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rambologic@reddit

This is the way. I once did this with another car when doing a long road trip through Arizona on a 2 lane stretch of road the weekend after Thanksgiving. A-holes were camping in the passing lane, sometimes 10+ cars long.

So we would pass them on the right and speed up to the front, move over to the passing lane, slow down in front of the lead car, and give the other car passing on the right space to jump in front of me and off we went.

We did that with probably 4 or 5 groups of passing lane campers. We didn't know each other but that was one of the coolest driving moments of taking matters into our own hands that I had.

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GeorgeNorman@reddit

There should be a study on the spontaneous coordination and teamwork that a couple of human beings with a mission without the help of verbal communication. Just a bunch of car bros. Don’t even know their faces.

When I travel and some other car is going roughly the same speed as me and we travel “together” a long way on the hwy, I always feel a sadness when they or I take the exit and part ways. Half the time I have no idea what they look like, but we still formed this connection. Humans are amazing

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ishityounot79@reddit

I love it! There was some maniac weaving in and out of a three lane highway on my way to work a few months ago - cutting people off, no signals, using the HOV lane etc. 4 random drivers spontaneously became a team of synchronized drivers and blocked him in the middle lane.

Here’s the best part. When he got out and started his antics again, a cop in a ghost car pulled him over and we all honked on our way past him.

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mikemojc@reddit

I do this , too. Posted limit is 70 on most of my commute, Highway patrol lets traffic move at 77-78 with no issues. Some fools try to cruise at 60-65 in the left lane, So I'll pull around, get in front and do 52 until the pull right, then I'll continue

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qlz19@reddit

Yep, this works. Don’t even touch the breaks. Just let the vehicle slow down until they try to pass you. Then, no matter what, don’t let them pass you on the right.

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chipmunk7000@reddit

I’ve gone as far as to do a hand signal to the next guy behind them to “wait” for a second as I went ahead and did this maneuver. Dude gave me a big thumbs up as he was finally able to pass

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Vix_Satis01@reddit

rubbin's racin'

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agedforeskinsmear@reddit

The right lane is the new fast lane.

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dwfmba@reddit

No, do not do this, I understand what you're saying but even promoting this as a joke will lead to accidents. This issue need more universal ENFORCEMENT by Police. Send in dashcam videos to law enforcement with clearly seen license plates of people not using the passing lane for passing.

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cyberchief@reddit

Even with a clear license plate, police cannot issue citations without positively identifying the driver of the offending vehicle.

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dwfmba@reddit

Yes, but they can see the degree of which this is a problem and use it to justify more in-person enforcement.

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qlz19@reddit

That’s not the way the real world works…

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dwfmba@reddit

Understood, but embracing chaos doesn't work either

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georgeclooney1739@reddit

You think more cops are gonna help? That'll just end up with more arrests for DWB.

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EuroSong@reddit

In the UK, the right lane is the fast lane.

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YnotBbrave@reddit

In Russia, the left lane fasts on you

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Jasper455@reddit

Here’s $20. Keep ‘em coming.

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SprinklersSprinkle@reddit

Mom?

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SevroAuShitTalker@reddit

Unironically, that is absolutely the case on a couple highways near me. My favorite is one with a mile long exit lane, so I get in that and cruise at 65-70 while everyone else slows to 50 because there is a hill you can see over

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jrhiggin@reddit

About a year ago I was in the right lane doing the speed limit passing everybody. Pickup truck came up on my ass and flashed his lights twice quickly. I moved over to the middle lane and he took off. Honestly, I couldn't even be mad, not even a little annoyed.

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pcetcedce@reddit

Here is the fatal flaw of your approach. The worst offenders never look in their rear view mirror. But otherwise I'm with you if someone wants to go past me just let me know. But... I'm not going to speed up to 20 mph over the speed limit so I can pull over quicker for them.

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JJHall_ID@reddit

Underhandedly ULPT: Beat them at their own game and just follow them until they move over. The way to let the bullies win is to let them get to you. Instead, just chill and enjoy your music or audiobook for the extra 2 to 5 minutes it may save you by stressing over the guy going a little too slowly for your taste. A 25 mile trip at 75 MPH vs 60 MPH literally only saves 5 minutes.

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Different-While8090@reddit

How dare you bring facts into this when we all want to be enraged by slower drivers.

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JJHall_ID@reddit

I used to be in the same boat when I was commuting on that 25 mile stretch of highway twice per day (split shift.) 65 MPH speed limit, and I'd get stressed out and angry when some jackwagon was cruising in the middle or left lane doing 60. Then I did the math to prove how much time they were wasting. Instead I realized that the driver weaving lanes and cutting people off to maintain 75 was literally saving 5 minutes compared to the granny behind the wheel with the cruise set to 5 under. It changed my perspective from something to get "enraged" over to something that is a no more than mildly frustrating.

Radar cruise and my phone GPS telling me "there's a 10 minute delay ahead, but you're still on the fastest route" has changed driving from being a stressful time to a relaxing time. Oh darn, I get to listen to an extra song or two, or get further along in the book I'm listening to.

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Different-While8090@reddit

Yeah I'm with you. I used to speed like crazy, and take every inconvenience personal, but then a couple tickets put a stop to my speeding and I started driving more mindfully to save gas. Turns out driving is a way better experience when you're relaxed. It sometimes angers people when I amble along the city streets at the speed limit, but even that's not my problem. 🧘‍♀️

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Stebben84@reddit

Is it a highway? You talk about a multi lane road but the fast lane doesn't apply to all roads.

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regulationinflation@reddit

The definition of “highway” is public road. I’d recommend you review your state laws to make sure you understand how to use passing lanes correctly.

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Different-While8090@reddit

Yeah I'm pretty sure that definition of highway as "all public roads" is bunk.

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Stebben84@reddit

I basically meant an interstate highway or freeway. This does not apply to some intercity double lane roads, but it also depends on state laws. Illinois for instance only calls out interstate highways or freeways. Drive outside of those in downtown Chicago and it's a free for all on a multi lane road.

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PremiumUsername69420@reddit

Depends on the state.

I know in Florida the left lane of any multilane road is the passing lane and you’re not supposed to travel in it unless actively passing or you have an upcoming left turn.

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tobedeterminedso@reddit

If thats the case, why do people with florida tags drive thru tennessee and kentucky in the LEFT LANE doing 5 to 10 mph UNDER the speed limit?

So many florida drivers get up here and screw EVERYTHING up, its so irritating...

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mauvelion@reddit

There are a lot of rental cars from Florida because there aren't vehicles inspections, so some of it might be that. But there are plenty of bad drivers in/from Florida!

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PremiumUsername69420@reddit

Umm, newsflash, they do that in Florida too. Just because it is the law doesn’t mean it’s followed or enforced. We’re talkin’ about Florida here after all. And the messing things up in other states is just USDA Grade-A entitlement.

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Different-While8090@reddit

Sounds to me like you're dealing with a known factor that is predictable (it happens every day). It also sounds virtually impossible to address because you say there are lots of people doing it; it would require change on a cultural level in your driving area, just like Houston has a culture of speeding and Tulsa has a culture of running stop signs (and Albuauerque has a culture of tweakers driving fast and reckless.)

My suggestion is to adapt to your culture rather than smash your head against it. Factor in extra time on your commutes, crank up good music or a podcast, and remind yourself that you aren't in a hurry.

Trying to joust with other drivers or punish them is stressful, dangerous, and illegal. Learning to chill is a gift you give yourself.

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Auios@reddit (OP)

I am adapted to my culture. It's just that your culture keeps sending ICE agents after me and I gotta go FAST in the FAST lane so they don't send me back to Minnesota. ey?

Beep beep!

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jmsecc@reddit

I’ve always wanted a cow-catcher on my car like they have on trains so I could just bump em off the road. Or spy-hunter weapons to just eliminate them. Of course it’d just a wild fantasy that I have while I’m waiting for a. Opportunity to get around them. I always just point to the right lane when I do get by them but it just makes me a little less annoyed…. They’ll never get the point.

And to be clear - it’s almost always a driver from my state. We have the worst drivers anywhere ever when it comes to this. Trust me.

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Away_Industry_6892@reddit

I simple and respectful flash of the high beams sometimes works, but they're usually looking at their phones and not their mirrors lately.

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soopastar@reddit

Once I get in front of those drivers, I turn on my right turn signal and take my foot off the gas. I've slowed down at times, to 35mph in a 65. I know that doesn't help the problem but then those drivers usually move over to try to pass me and then I floor it and turn off my turn signal.

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age_of_No_fuxleft@reddit

Yes. Here’s what has worked for me in the past. If I can manage to get in front of them. I don’t cut them off and I don’t break check, I just take my foot off the gas until we’re all going really fucking slow and they move over and then I nail it.

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fb39ca4@reddit

pit maneuver

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Auios@reddit (OP)

based

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aspie_electrician@reddit

And redpilled. Fucking kek. Dubs decides next comment.

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Calm-Technology7351@reddit

Horn and flashing brights. If they pull over to fight I would leave. It’s easy to pass a stopped car. Unless it’s bad tho I just pass on the right

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johnnydaggers@reddit

Just flash your lights at them.

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Proof_Bathroom_3902@reddit

Too many assholes slow down for that now.

So many people think they are self appointed traffic wardens.

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jujumber@reddit

Yep, And they're only creating much more unsafe driving conditions. They're the reason why so many people weave between lanes.

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ziggsyr@reddit

Flashing lights often means a hazard is present or there is a speedtrap nearby. It's not always malice.

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Nother1BitestheCrust@reddit

Flashing lights at oncoming traffic can mean that, usually not when the flashing is behind you though.

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ziggsyr@reddit

That could mean their gas tank is open, they need to turn on their lights, or maybe they left something on their roof... Generally it's a good habit to slow down and start checking for things when someone flashes their lights at you.

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moon_money21@reddit

The feature that turns your high beams on momentarily is actually called "flash to pass". Seems like almost nobody knows that.

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blaznivydandy@reddit

You have a magic button on your steering wheel usually located in the middle of the wheel. It makes annoying noise.

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Vogel-Kerl@reddit

I think Germany, if you're going to slow in the fast lane (the left most lane), cars behind you will have their Left blinker on.

Idea being, they can't really change lanes to the left to pass the slower vehicle. It's a subtle signal for that slow vehicle to change lanes to the right so the faster car can pass.

It's less obnoxious than a horn or a middle fingie.

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gosioux@reddit

Americans drive at a preschool clown school level compared to Germans.

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JerryOscar@reddit

Stop calling it the fast lane and start calling it a passing lane.

Fast is subjective, passing is more concise and objective.

Not actively passing others/getting passed from the right? Get the fuck out of the passing lane.

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Gunhound@reddit

"Life in the (passing) lane" just doesn't have the same ring to it...

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Ok-Tap-8610@reddit

Honk your horn and flash your lights. Or do like John did, drive into the ditch to drive past them on the highway, helps if you have a black late model trans am.

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ThrowAndHit@reddit

I get around them and just let my washer fluid fly

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736384826@reddit

In Greece when you’re in the far left lane and you’re driving slowly, usually the car behind you may use their left turn signal and flicker their high beams to signal you hey dude get out of the lane you’re driving too slowly

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JulieThinx@reddit

Far left of the lane, left blinker on. Deliberate following distance without tailgating is key. This works differently in different US states but in the US south they either bandit the left lane or GTFO

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cascadia8@reddit

You've heard of a desk pop right? Same thing but from the car into the air. It's just a warning.

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joemammmmaaaaaa@reddit

Tailgate for a bit. If they get it they’ll speed up and move over. If they don’t then get ready to pass them on the right. And never be that guy that doesn’t move over. If you are going 90 and someone tailgates you, calmly put your right turn signal on and move over as soon as safely possible

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jrock1203@reddit

There is no fast lane, there's a passing lane. But yes, f these people.

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brainsewage@reddit

To be really pedantic though, if you're passing, then by definition you must be going faster than someone else. I think "fast lane" is just shorthand for that.

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Think-Corgi-4655@reddit

But people take that to mean if they're speeding they're allowed to stay

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SirPonix@reddit

It's the "I can go as fast as I want and I'll endanger everyone else on the road if you don't get out of my way even though you're exceeding the speed limit and actively passing" lane, apparently

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moon_money21@reddit

Exceeding the speed limit and actively passing don't mean anything, at least where I'm at. The law says when someone wants to overtake you then you must yield as soon as practicable.

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jrock1203@reddit

It's insane how many people don't know the law regarding overtaking. Imagine...having to honk your horn every time...

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SirPonix@reddit

That may be the stupidest attempt at sounding smart I've ever fucking read. What part of actively passing do you not understand? Am I supposed to run the slower vehicle off the road to yield to prick riding my ass at 80 mph? Fuck them

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SundySundySoGoodToMe@reddit

Just go with the flow. I know it is frustrating but better to arrive late and alive than the alternative. I drove through Ohio a couple of months ago and it was spent leap frogging semis in the undulating hill areas. People in the left lane were doing the speed limit. Sometimes I managed to get past the truck.

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fullboxed@reddit

Red and blue lights

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CroixJig@reddit

Leave earlier. It is a speed LIMIT for a reason.

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Lost-Astronaut-8280@reddit

You sound like you go the speed limit in the fast lane without passing anyone

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CroixJig@reddit

Eh mostly yes, but it is intended to be a passing lane so I try not to linger/ I will occasionally go 5 over. If I’m by myself in the car and someone is driving fast behind me I DEFINITELY linger. They should leave earlier if they are in such a rush. Speeding is pretty low-class.

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Crimson_Chinn@reddit

Low class, coming from someone who intentionally causes others problems, isn't the insult you think it is

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CroixJig@reddit

Not a problem at all. I don’t speed and others should speed.

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moon_money21@reddit

Imagine being such a pompous asshole that you think anyone actually gives a fuck what you think or that you should control the behavior of others. Why don't you stay home and beat your wife/kids/dog some more

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tukker51@reddit

You are the problem

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CroixJig@reddit

I’m the solution. Speed limit!

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Lost-Astronaut-8280@reddit

Impeding traffic is illegal. You’d get pulled over for going the speed limit by a cop who has time. You’d would also get passed by a cop going 10 over. Please turn your keys in and stay off the highway thanks.

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CroixJig@reddit

Never have never will get a ticket.

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Auios@reddit (OP)

You must be fun at parties

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kevinLFC@reddit

Does their speeding justify you playing traffic cop?

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CroixJig@reddit

Good point, maybe, probably not.

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Auios@reddit (OP)

Ah there you are. I knew you'd show up.

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CroixJig@reddit

I showed up early because I left early; I didn’t need to speed to get here.

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_iAm9001@reddit

This guy is scared of what's going to happen to him / her after everybody reads all of the suggestions... they're reading all of the suggestions and are all like "NO! DON'T DO THAT TO ME, I'M DOING THE SPEED LIMIT just because you can't handle me driving 90km/h in a 100km/h zone in the fast lane doesn't mean I deserve piss discs chucked into my window!"

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PremiumUsername69420@reddit

Hope you never have an emergency.

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JiminyCricketMobile@reddit

there are written rules called laws, and unwritten rules called common sense/courtesy.

you are clearly the kind of person who lacks both common sense and courtesy.

please use birth control.

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brookme@reddit

How about the opposite when I’m going 15 over already and get passed by people wanting to go 25+ over?

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joker0812@reddit

I say don't fret, enjoy the drive, and pass safely when you can. At most it'll delay you 10 minutes or so. Little specs in the cosmic timeline that you get to experience. Ride em out.

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norwal42@reddit

I don't really like even sharing this technique... But I guess if you're confident you're not actually creating higher risk of an accident (not sure if anyone can say this objectively, for sure, though)... If you're waiting in the right lane for a passing lane slowie to pass, or see/suspect that they're going to be a slow passer, you could theoretically hug the center line, or even wander back and forth a bit - make sure you're not looking in your side mirror, to complete the illusion that you might not see them and might be contemplating moving over.

Even most persistent blockers won't want to mess with an oblivious driver who might accidentally sideswipe them. A few will either be oblivious or steadfast in their mission to block, continuing with a super slow pass. But most get the hint and kick up their speed to pass. (Many will also then slow down again in the fast lane once they're past you, but baby steps I guess...)

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MarcusAurelius0@reddit

Flash to pass, also have ridden the rumble strip for a few seconds to break them out of their stupor.

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jim_br@reddit

Some people are idiots and will double down on the idiocy. I have a relative that feels they’re the state appointed speed monitor and anyone wanting to pass them should be ignored.

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rdking647@reddit

someone should explain to them that they can get a ticket for that

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Direction-Miserable@reddit

I pass, cut in front, and spend the next several minutes flicking nickels and marbles out my sun roof.. (I could really care less about the safety of an idiot)

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Jungle_Stud@reddit

cycle headlight low-to-high a few times. works occasionally.

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Mephistopheles545@reddit

Learn to accept others’ driving style. As long as they’re not going under the speed minimum, they’re not doing anything wrong

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NotJayKayPeeness@reddit

Not true on the passing lane.

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New-IncognitoWindow@reddit

If there are lot of cars going the same speed as me I will speed up to get ahead of the pack and then drop a police speed trap report in Waze like it’s an item in Mario Kart. Not sure if it works really but anyone using Waze or Google Maps may slow down a bit.

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Soul-Stoned@reddit

Or.. you could just move out the passing lane

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TheSpatulaOfLove@reddit

Shhh! Dont tell them the secrets!

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Dan_the_bearded_man@reddit

I usually get near for a moment, fall back and then put the left blinker. Usually works for me

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RodbigoSantos@reddit

If tailgating doesn't work, I start swerving gently but erratically--like I'm crazy or drunk, and that sometimes scares them into getting outta the fast lane.

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craneguy@reddit

I do this with my bike. The weaving headlight works like a charm.

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dburst_@reddit

My wife thinks I’m unhinged with this tactic!

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MilkToJuicePipeline@reddit

I do this when no one will let me change lanes because they are being territorial or oblivious. Either way, it gets their attention pretty fast.

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MaxwellSmart07@reddit

It’s not our job to train or teach others to alter their driving habits. Pass them. Ignore them.

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fattsmann@reddit

Honk in a musical rhythm.

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Commercial_Lie6428@reddit

How about if there are people trying to get around you you move over?

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Bolts66@reddit

Leave earlier .

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regulationinflation@reddit

How does leaving earlier deter drivers from obstructing the passing lane?

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Auios@reddit (OP)

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runningmurphy@reddit

I drove a sprinter van to schools in different states each week. I caught myself getting so frustrated and being crabby when I returned homes. You can't control people on the road. All you can do is let go of the anger. It takes practice but he'll I'm driving 900 miles one way so I get practice in. You have to be better than the anger.

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bsunwelcome@reddit

Yep. It really isn't worth it.

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grue2000@reddit

This is really the best answer for a lot of situations.

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_iAm9001@reddit

Ok ethical tip, this is unacceptable.

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MagnificentBastard-1@reddit

It’s illegal to show red and blue lights on a non-police vehicle, but is the “whoop-whoop” siren illegal to play?

Combine with flashing your headlights ought to be enough to rattle them at least.

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Bodie_The_Dog@reddit

Make sure they can see you in their side mirror, then give them a little wave. Stay in their side mirror. Point at car in other lane, then shrug. I think a lot of drivers just aren't paying attention, you need to ask to pass sometimes.

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alienheron@reddit

Unethical, notify your highway patrol or local police department. Unsafe driver, if they are driving under the speed limit.

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GuestStarr@reddit

Unsafe driver, if they are driving under the speed limit.

A genuine question: does everybody think so? In my country it's the top speed you can legally drive. Due to some technicalities and such, the threshold where you get fined is the top speed plus seven, as measured by a radar or other technical means.

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alienheron@reddit

Are they driving 5 mph or 15 kph on the expressway? (I don't use that term) is that unsafe?

Are the hazards on?

In the slow lane or shoulder?

How about 10 under the speed limit?

The OP was looking for ways to get them to move over or at least get out if the way.

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GuestStarr@reddit

Here you can regularly spot people driving @15 km/h lower than the limit, no hazards on. On highways it's illegal to stop unless your car breaks down and you'll have to get it towed asap or get fined and still have to get it towed. The shoulders are not really used, it's illegal except for emergencies. I was asking because I interpreted the post as it being too slow if you drive slower than the speed limit, I mean at any speed below it.

You are supposed to drive on the rightmost lane unless it's full, you are passing someone(s) or taking an exit to the left. The passing rule is obscure, there does not exist a defined limit for how long (time or distance) you can pass.

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InfidelZombie@reddit

As long as they are driving at or above the speed limit, leave them alone. Speeding is illegal.

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Jjmills101@reddit

Frankly if they’re driving like an ass they’re probably an ass, and they’ll stoop to a much lower level than you far faster

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envoy_ace@reddit

I ride a motorcycle. I start to slalom back and forth behind them. Unnerves the hell out of em.

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Rip_McBong@reddit

There’s one way. GET RIGHT. Let me say that again - GET OVER TO THE RIGHT

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XemptOne@reddit

not really, people are assholes or totally oblivious... saw a genius move once, bitch in front of me going slow, holding up fast line, riding her front bumper even with slow lane cares back bumper and not even trying to pass. she brake checked me once, dude in the jacked up truck behind me noticed what was going on, whipped out from behind me pulled up next to her and started swerving his truck at her car, this woman sped up so quick and got over in the slow lane so we could get by finally, i sped up fast so the truck could get his place in line behind me back without being pinched off. i was impressed... dude was my hero for the day lol

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alexj5566@reddit

Ethical and unethical answer:

pass them and get on with your damn day. People have too much time on their hands worrying about petty problems like this.

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dongler666@reddit

Get on their ass and flash high beams.

Hope they don't have a gun.

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vivekpatel62@reddit

Just make sure you have a bigger one.

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vivekpatel62@reddit

What I don’t understand is these stupid people that pay to go on tolls to drive slower than the traffic on the non toll roads lol. Like why are you paying 10 bucks to go slower than normal traffic. 🤦🏾

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Dasrule@reddit

Follow them home or if you have the resources, save their plate number then find their address. Piss disc under the door with a note to stay in the right lane if they can’t drive properly. Some liquid ass on their car door handles to reinforce the point.

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Saratj1@reddit

Not much you can do without seeming unhinged yourself and becoming a hazard. I daydream sometimes about passing the offender and slowly reducing your speed in front of them forcing them to slow down to a crawl, hoping you can match speed with another slow car effectively blocking them , but you just become the asshole road rager then and it’s not a good place to be, but I feel you though. I just tell myself the safer the better.

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Lastburn@reddit

Just flash them twice , that's pretty much the universal message of I want to pass you

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Auios@reddit (OP)

Sounds ethical...

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Lastburn@reddit

Sorry, I meant throw a D cell at thier car while accelerating

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Auios@reddit (OP)

aw yeah now we're talking!

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Routine-Mulberry6124@reddit

Flash your lights, otherwise just wait until they move or you can safely pass. They may have slow traffic in front of them, or there may be potential hazards/slowing traffic ahead that you cannot easily see and they cannot control, or they may simply be stupid assholes. It doesn’t matter. I know this is ULPT but avoiding an accident/road rage incident should be your only priority.

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