Hope that bug is fixed is system monitor that changes the layout of a page to some arbitrary corrupted layout when you restart. Been a bug for well over a year at this point.
In my defence, I assumed that I was doing something wrong and I couldn't get it to reliably repeat with any form of obvious trigger. Didn't want to log a bug until I was sure it was a bug and not user error.
The KDE devs are doing an amazing job. IMHO it's the most polished desktop we have in the Linux space. Some may argue that GNOME is there too, but the limited customization options make it inferior to Plasma.
It's more of a kernel issue. KDE code doesn't reflect the reality that something a bit unexpected is going on under the hood, so there's a UI disconnect vs what's actually happening.
If you turn off the IO buffering feature at the system level, the issue goes away completely. See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=281270#c51
The difference between the looks of Plasma with Breeze Light and Breeze Dark is astonishing. It looks surprisingly palatable in white, but horrible in dark. They really need to change Breeze Dark.
Imo Breeze Dark is just too dark. They could do with using a dark charcoal grey (like Gnome) rather than an almost black tone. It just looks far classier.
KDE 6.4 and GNOME 48 have almost the exact same greys. KDE's mid-grey (like the titlebar color) is a bit lighter than GNOME's, and the dark grey is basically the exact same brightness, and they're nearly the same dark gunmetal sort of hue, as well. KDE's colors are just ever so slightly more of a teal/blue hue.
I just checked and the LCH lightness value GIMP gave me for GNOME's dark grey is 13.4, and KDE's is 13.5. The light grey for GNOME is 16.2, and for KDE it's 17.8, so if anything KDE is actually still lighter, even after 6.4 (which IMO, is a big improvement, I hated how bright it was before)
KDE hasn't been a pig in ages. It's been comparable in system resource usage to XFCE and Cinnamon for me, and a bit lighter than GNOME. Any remotely modern PC can easily handle it without issues
flashing the screen would also catch our attention, but that wouldn't make it good design. black text on dark green is neither legible nor visually appealing
it wouldn't take much to fix this -- it just looks like a first draft/placeholder UI that never got the polish it needed
sorry if my comment was abrasive. the New badge is a welcome change and your effort is appreciated. I'd just personally rather wait until it looks properly integrated before seeing it on my system
There's an option to disable this. One issue with that is if you disable it it will stop tracking apps. If you then re-enable it later any app that was installed in the meantime will be considered newly installed.
I recall Suse kicker menu highlighting recently installed applications, not quite as glaring as the image above, probs around the days of SuSE 8 KDE 3x
Well, KDE guys really need to hire someone to create a cohesive design for them. They have good innovations, but UI and UX keep being inconsistent and at times disconnected.
It's a community-driven project, not a company product. Therefore, the verb "hire" is not applicable here. If you have experience with UI and UX, please consider helping out.
It's not different to Gnome in this regard. KDE has some staff paid for doing their work on the project. It's just Gnome created a cohesive design for a shell many years ago and KDE is still hit and miss in this regard.
When any applications are in full screen mode - like when you’re playing a game, working on a critical project, or watching a video - Plasma will enter Do Not Disturb mode and only show urgent notifications.
Hm. Not sure about that. Seems like this is a non-intuitive thing to happen, and I guess a lot of people could be missing the notification they're waiting for while watching a video in full screen while waiting. This should rather be opt-in than opt-out.
I guess a lot of people could be missing the notification they're waiting for while watching a video in full screen while waiting
This has been the standard behaqvior for about 6 years. The difference in Plasma 6.4 is that now the behavior is connected to the "Do Not Disturb" feature rather than just hardcoded, so now you have more control over it and benefit from related DND features, such as the summary notification after you exit DND/full screen.
And yes, you can still turn off the behavior if you don't like it. :)
Thanks for the explanation. Well, that explains why I missed some messages lately. I waited for an answer while watching a few videos, and I wondered why I did not get a notification. I thought it was some kind of bug or something, or maybe I just missed them. Turns out they are not displayed.
I still think this should not be opt-out. Maybe most people prefer it that way, though. But I honestly wonder how many people know this. Maybe it's a good idea to get a notification about this whenever you first do something fullscreen.
Yes, getting a useless notification while you're playing an fullscreen action game isn't necessarily what you want. But never getting one if you do anything fullscreen isn't what you want, either.
Just giving feedback. I have no idea outright how to handle this. But being able to opt-out is of course better than not being able to, so I welcome this update.
Plasma 6.4 will be better for those use cases, because when you end the video and exit full screen mode, the system will tell you that you missed some notifications, and they'll be there in the Notifications widget, waiting for you to look at them.
I'd prefer in addition to Shift + Dragging, there are combo hotkeys that achieve the same thing. I know Meta + Arrows do move windows around but they dont Tile like I would like with the spacing set in the Meta + T view.
Also... wow. Didn't know about the plasma tiling thing. Honestly was kinda "hard" to find out how it works. Nothing in settings about "tiling" or "tile". Found out that you have to press Meta+T to edit the tiling view. And then I didn't know how to actually put a window into a tile. Found out that you have to press Shift while moving a window to do that. Without the web and some discussions, where people were also quite confused, I'd never know how to use this feature.
+1 on this. I recently switched from Windows with fancyzones. My muscles reflexes made me press shift when moving a window, so I knew there was a tiling tool, but I wanted to edit the tiles. I spend way too much time looking in the setting, and in online discussion speaking about it without saying the shortcut, before I found out (in a patch note linked in the discussions) that the only way to edit it was a keyboard shortcut.
Past few months there was initiative to clear syslogs from unnecessary bloat. This kind of work might seem unimportant, but imo it raises perception of Plasma as a higher level product overall. Nice.
Wacom support has been good for awhile. 6.1 fixed a lot of issues and 6.3 I didn't feel I was missing anything. 6.4 adds some improvements too but still waiting to try it out.
Because the link refers to the Brazilian Portuguese version of the article (https://kde.org/pt-br/announcements/plasma/6/6.4.0/). I can't say why this is mainly in English. Maybe the translation is not ready yet.
The complete English version of the article can be accessed via https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/6/6.4.0/.
MurderFromMars@reddit
Remote access is back to.incessant promoting. So steam desktop input is back to being unusedble.
KYIUM@reddit
Hope that bug is fixed is system monitor that changes the layout of a page to some arbitrary corrupted layout when you restart. Been a bug for well over a year at this point.
PointiestStick@reddit
Is there a bug report for this? I don't recall seeing one.
OrdoRidiculous@reddit
I haven't seen one either, but have had the same problem. Yet to see it in 6.4, but I've only been on it for a day.
PointiestStick@reddit
Without bug reports, we don't know there's a problem in need of fixing :)
OrdoRidiculous@reddit
In my defence, I assumed that I was doing something wrong and I couldn't get it to reliably repeat with any form of obvious trigger. Didn't want to log a bug until I was sure it was a bug and not user error.
MurderFromMars@reddit
yep and spectacle is entirely broken
PointiestStick@reddit
In what way? Is there a bug report for this?
ZmeulZmeilor@reddit
The KDE devs are doing an amazing job. IMHO it's the most polished desktop we have in the Linux space. Some may argue that GNOME is there too, but the limited customization options make it inferior to Plasma.
PointiestStick@reddit
It's more of a kernel issue. KDE code doesn't reflect the reality that something a bit unexpected is going on under the hood, so there's a UI disconnect vs what's actually happening.
If you turn off the IO buffering feature at the system level, the issue goes away completely. See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=281270#c51
DgyxmlX3P1oAW6ahgsgf@reddit
Is there like, a command or something I can run to turn off the IO buffering feature?
PointiestStick@reddit
It's provided at that link.
ZmeulZmeilor@reddit
Thank you, sir! Tested it now and it works.
oiledhairyfurryballs@reddit
The difference between the looks of Plasma with Breeze Light and Breeze Dark is astonishing. It looks surprisingly palatable in white, but horrible in dark. They really need to change Breeze Dark.
H0twax@reddit
Imo Breeze Dark is just too dark. They could do with using a dark charcoal grey (like Gnome) rather than an almost black tone. It just looks far classier.
OffsetXV@reddit
KDE 6.4 and GNOME 48 have almost the exact same greys. KDE's mid-grey (like the titlebar color) is a bit lighter than GNOME's, and the dark grey is basically the exact same brightness, and they're nearly the same dark gunmetal sort of hue, as well. KDE's colors are just ever so slightly more of a teal/blue hue.
I just checked and the LCH lightness value GIMP gave me for GNOME's dark grey is 13.4, and KDE's is 13.5. The light grey for GNOME is 16.2, and for KDE it's 17.8, so if anything KDE is actually still lighter, even after 6.4 (which IMO, is a big improvement, I hated how bright it was before)
diegodamohill@reddit
Its the borders and the slight tint, they just don't play well together
Negative-Pie6101@reddit
Is KDE less of a pig now?
I moed from KDE to XFCE like 12yrs ago.. Haven't been back since..
OffsetXV@reddit
KDE hasn't been a pig in ages. It's been comparable in system resource usage to XFCE and Cinnamon for me, and a bit lighter than GNOME. Any remotely modern PC can easily handle it without issues
Brave-Error1034@reddit
What is plasma 6.4
burning_iceman@reddit
KDE's Plasma is one of the most popular desktop environments on Linux.
Brave-Error1034@reddit
Thanks for help, bro I didn't know about that much distribution in Linux
Miliage@reddit
They need to make the interface more simple
journaljemmy@reddit
I like how the screenshot shows how a new version of a System Monitor panel looks. Seems pretty user-friendly at a glance.
gmes78@reddit
I'm pretty sure it asks if you want to keep your configuration or reset to the new default.
EgoDearth@reddit
I still use KSysGuard but this is a great step in the right direction!
MILF4LYF@reddit
It would have been nicer if the New! badge had a light green background. Dark on dark is hard to read.
PointiestStick@reddit
Yeah, we'll get the contrast fixed soon.
Public-Business-3688@reddit
Amazing!
Unusual_Pride_6480@reddit
Just donated, love to see it.
jlpcsl@reddit
Same here. Well deserved donation for a great job.
PraetorRU@reddit
That green label is a product of some intern, right?
kbroulik@reddit
Caught your attention, did its job then.
D3PyroGS@reddit
flashing the screen would also catch our attention, but that wouldn't make it good design. black text on dark green is neither legible nor visually appealing
it wouldn't take much to fix this -- it just looks like a first draft/placeholder UI that never got the polish it needed
kbroulik@reddit
If it was easy to fix I would have done it differently. The theming system and color inheritance stuff is quite complex.
That being said, the constant moaning about this on the Internet is depressing, so I'm in the process of changing the badge.
Probably too invasive for a bug fix release but at least for 6.5.
D3PyroGS@reddit
sorry if my comment was abrasive. the New badge is a welcome change and your effort is appreciated. I'd just personally rather wait until it looks properly integrated before seeing it on my system
TROLlox78@reddit
Which green label?
PraetorRU@reddit
It's a new feature with a green label to the right of the newly installed application. It looks totally alien to the rest of the theme.
FryBoyter@reddit
I suspect it's intentional. New entries should be noticeable.
Nova_496@reddit
They should be noticeable, but green on black is a bad colour choice. It lacks contrast and feels inconsistent with the rest of the design of Breeze.
GoldBarb@reddit
Have you even looked at the related MR which introduced this change!?
https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-desktop/-/merge_requests/2955
The description states the following:
PraetorRU@reddit
I have no problem with the feature itself. I just think that it doesn't look good visually.
Jealous_Response_492@reddit
I recall Suse kicker menu highlighting recently installed applications, not quite as glaring as the image above, probs around the days of SuSE 8 KDE 3x
kohbo@reddit
"New!"
Barafu@reddit
It is a product of society...
PraetorRU@reddit
Well, KDE guys really need to hire someone to create a cohesive design for them. They have good innovations, but UI and UX keep being inconsistent and at times disconnected.
Mereo110@reddit
It's a community-driven project, not a company product. Therefore, the verb "hire" is not applicable here. If you have experience with UI and UX, please consider helping out.
PraetorRU@reddit
It's not different to Gnome in this regard. KDE has some staff paid for doing their work on the project. It's just Gnome created a cohesive design for a shell many years ago and KDE is still hit and miss in this regard.
No-Bison-5397@reddit
KDE is not for me but these look great. Congrats to the devs!
Lawnmover_Man@reddit
Hm. Not sure about that. Seems like this is a non-intuitive thing to happen, and I guess a lot of people could be missing the notification they're waiting for while watching a video in full screen while waiting. This should rather be opt-in than opt-out.
Sirusho_Yunyan@reddit
Literally just learned it from you now, wouldn't have had a clue otherwise. That video did nothing to explain the shortcuts.
PointiestStick@reddit
This has been the standard behaqvior for about 6 years. The difference in Plasma 6.4 is that now the behavior is connected to the "Do Not Disturb" feature rather than just hardcoded, so now you have more control over it and benefit from related DND features, such as the summary notification after you exit DND/full screen.
And yes, you can still turn off the behavior if you don't like it. :)
Lawnmover_Man@reddit
Thanks for the explanation. Well, that explains why I missed some messages lately. I waited for an answer while watching a few videos, and I wondered why I did not get a notification. I thought it was some kind of bug or something, or maybe I just missed them. Turns out they are not displayed.
I still think this should not be opt-out. Maybe most people prefer it that way, though. But I honestly wonder how many people know this. Maybe it's a good idea to get a notification about this whenever you first do something fullscreen.
Yes, getting a useless notification while you're playing an fullscreen action game isn't necessarily what you want. But never getting one if you do anything fullscreen isn't what you want, either.
Just giving feedback. I have no idea outright how to handle this. But being able to opt-out is of course better than not being able to, so I welcome this update.
PointiestStick@reddit
Plasma 6.4 will be better for those use cases, because when you end the video and exit full screen mode, the system will tell you that you missed some notifications, and they'll be there in the Notifications widget, waiting for you to look at them.
Try it and see! You might like it.
neanderthaltodd@reddit
I'd prefer in addition to Shift + Dragging, there are combo hotkeys that achieve the same thing. I know Meta + Arrows do move windows around but they dont Tile like I would like with the spacing set in the Meta + T view.
Imaxaroth@reddit
+1 on this. I recently switched from Windows with fancyzones. My muscles reflexes made me press shift when moving a window, so I knew there was a tiling tool, but I wanted to edit the tiles. I spend way too much time looking in the setting, and in online discussion speaking about it without saying the shortcut, before I found out (in a patch note linked in the discussions) that the only way to edit it was a keyboard shortcut.
Human-Equivalent-154@reddit
Even windows do it it is stupid
witchhunter0@reddit
Past few months there was initiative to clear syslogs from unnecessary bloat. This kind of work might seem unimportant, but imo it raises perception of Plasma as a higher level product overall. Nice.
linuxhacker01@reddit
Spectacle just impressed me wow
PrepStorm@reddit
Does it support Wacom now?
FattyDrake@reddit
Wacom support has been good for awhile. 6.1 fixed a lot of issues and 6.3 I didn't feel I was missing anything. 6.4 adds some improvements too but still waiting to try it out.
ScootSchloingo@reddit
Am I the only one that can't notice the difference between the previous and new Breeze Dark themes?
B1rdi@reddit
Why are 1/3 of the headers in portugese?
FryBoyter@reddit
Because the link refers to the Brazilian Portuguese version of the article (https://kde.org/pt-br/announcements/plasma/6/6.4.0/). I can't say why this is mainly in English. Maybe the translation is not ready yet.
The complete English version of the article can be accessed via https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/6/6.4.0/.
B1rdi@reddit
Ah okay, that makes sense. Didn't pay attention to the link
FryBoyter@reddit
To be honest, I didn't noticed it at first glance either.
Acceptable_Rub8279@reddit
Great
gh0stofoctober@reddit
neat!