People in the UK – What do you think when you see a guy in his 30's hanging out on his own?
Posted by TouchBudget6316@reddit | AskABrit | View on Reddit | 573 comments
So, I'm asking this as I spend a lot of time on my own due to friends all being in long term relationships and having families, etc. I will sometimes attend clubs on my own where I have noticed both men and women tend to go in their own wee groups and don’t really socialise outside of them. I also love to just be out in nature, taking long walks in and around Glasgow or Edinburgh, or even sitting in a cafe with a book and coffee.
Now, in many of these places I have noticed people look you in a very judgemental fashion. From dirty looks to even overhearing people talking about me and mocking me for being on my own. I have noticed it is especially pronounced in situations where I am sitting alone with a book. I’ll often hear people saying how sad it is that I read, for a start, but also that I’m on my own and mustn’t have any friends or be very fun to talk to, etc.
I ignore all of this, but I have noticed these remarks and funny looks are very common here. So I just want to know, do women in the UK genuinely see a guy on his own and automatically think he must be a loser or even a creep? Guys, would you start chatting to a guy sitting on his own if you saw him when out with friends? Or do you also feel like he must be pretty sad or weird to be sitting on his own and just leave him alone?
I want to know if this attitude women tend to display is mostly a Scottish thing, or is this UK-wide? It isn’t even isolated to my area (Bathgate) as I also experienced women acting weird and talking to their friends about me, mocking me and so forth in Edinburgh, Glasgow and even Aberdeen!
I have posted numerous times on Reddit about my experiences here in Scotland with regards to women and dating, with many positive responses on my looks. I also have had to do presentations and talks in front of large numbers of people (public speaking) for my work and am frequently complimented on how easily I socialise with people and can talk to anyone. Thing is, even in clubs/groups I have attended in the past, guys would stick with their friends they attend with and, when trying to initiate conversation, would just give one or two word answers and try to get away or shut down conversation before it even starts. This I find very odd as 99% of guys in places like my gym etc. Are always willing to stop for a chat or catch up... But its almost like, anywhere outside of places I frequent, people in general just don’t want to socialise with a guy on his own. Even in Glasgow of all places!! But I will say, women especially, have proven extremely difficult and awkward to talk to unless they see you around ALOT beforehand and its a gradual build up over months lol I’m asking as I got chatting to an incredible woman from the US (thanks to Reddit, actually), and she was shocked at the culture difference whereby people will just openly be negative, mean, or even aggressive to people they don’t know here vs the general kind and open nature of people in the US.
So yeah... What are your thoughts or experiences? Any other guys had negative experiences in the UK because they were hanging out on their own? And is it predominantly a Scottish thing, a woman thing, or do people of both sexes act like this all over the UK!?
I don’t really care what people think, but it does feel like I am being constantly judged as a single guy who likes his own company and isn’t afraid to just be by myself doing things and living life. It also makes finding a date or more near impossible here.
Particular_Volume_87@reddit
Everyone is glued to their phones and have lost how to communicate in real life - that's the problem.
WordsUnthought@reddit
Promise you're massively overthinking it. It's very normal to feel like everyone's attention is on you when you're somewhere like that on your own but they're not, the only one focusing on the 99% of the time is you.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
See I'd like to think this. But having heard groups of people, one recently was a group of women around my age, pointing my way, laughing and then asking the table when the last time they read a book was. They all started talking louder, calling me sad, pathetic, you name it.
That isn't the first time it has happened either! And it's more likely to happen if I'm reading a book vs reading on my phone I have noticed.
I just get the feeling so many people here are just openly vile and horrible people. Also, they are extremely judgemental!
Warm-Parsnip4497@reddit
Maybe they were joking? Irony about it being unusual now to read an actual book. If not then they are morons so who cares what they were saying? I’m in london and it’s v normal for all types to be doing things alone
Any_Influence740@reddit
I thinkt's completely normal to be at cafes reading a book. At a comedy show, maybe a concert, a meal. I suppose I would find it a bit odd at a bar or club. Not that I would really care or saying anything. But there is a social element to being out having a drink at a club. Where I feel you generally would go out with people you know. I may find it a little unusual for someone to be out clubbing alone. Maybe you could consider trying to make new friends at social clubs in the same position as yourself. Other than that, try new places, and accept some people are immature.
Upbeat_Primary_1351@reddit
They sound awful. I probably look like I'm playing games on my phone, but I'm reading. I just don't take actual books out with me as I would lose or ruin them.
Indigo1874@reddit
Groups of drunk people comment on everything. Unless you're reading a Jazz Mag - that would raise a few eyebrows round our way. Maybe use a tablet or kindle - everyone is heads deep in a screen these days.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
They weren't drunk. It was in Starbucks in Edinburgh around mid day on a Saturday
velvetsquid@reddit
It sounds like you just encountered shitty people. Rest safe in the knowledge that this is how they entertain themselves. Do not let other people put you off enjoy your own time.
BackgroundStory5606@reddit
if you need someone to say it, nothing sadder or more pathetic than those who sneer at book reading
WallsendLad70@reddit
Eh? I think that time you encountered a bunch of illiterates. Good for you. It’s them not you.
AlpsSad1364@reddit
Jesus, you really need hang out in better bars. That is not normal behaviour at all.
loveswimmingpools@reddit
Exactly. They were being horrible. They were not behaving normally.
Johnnycrabman@reddit
The bloke is in Bathgate, unless he’s sitting in 1912, then he’s going to get odd looks. If he went in the West Port he’d be unusual in being able to read.
References_Paramore@reddit
Yikes! I’ve worked hospitality for a long time and had lots of people come in alone and never once heard a comment like that unless the person was actually behaving weirdly.
Someone behaving like that is projecting their own insecurities onto you by making those comments. It’s very normal to be out and about alone, I think this is especially true as you get 30+
No_Wrap_9979@reddit
This sounds plausible but unlikely. But even if it did happen, do you really care about the judgement of people who laugh at someone reading? I’d see it as vindication that I’m doing the right thing with my life if morons who think not having read a book in years is a badge of honour are laughing at me.
ampersandist@reddit
That’s very nasty, however just for your attention, we all know reading isn’t bad but recently there has been a rising trend (maybe on tiktok?) where people sit outside alone and “pretend read” books for hours in hopes to pickup women. So if your bullying is primarily received from groups of women, it is possible they suspect that’s what you are doing. It is becoming rarer to see people reading books outside sadly so people don’t expect it to be real or genuine anymore. On the other end maybe they were just being nasty, but I wanted to let you know about this new trend in case you haven’t heard about it yet.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I actually got accused of this as a bit of a joke (I hope) by my mate's gf at my gym. The reception/cafe area is a Starbucks. So I'll chill with a book, exercise my mind before physically exercising. She said it gives 'creep' vibes and that I probably wasn't reading but instead checking out girls in the gym or pool through the windows 😂
I wasn't, and don't. I promise you haha But I can see why women MIGHT think that. But I also think its sad that they'd just assume a guy who reads is this kind of guy.
ampersandist@reddit
It’s sad but unfortunately the reality is that most people we encounter are creeps and there are a lot of negative experiences for many people attached to that. It’s normal to assume that which happens most of the times, but at least now you know that maybe it’s not about you sitting alone or that you are reading but it’s about the associations to that premise and you are falling victim to those judgements. It’s up to you if you’d rather do what you want and put up with that treatment or try to read elsewhere. It’s getting warmer so parks and other open spaces are quite nice for reading too. I personally prefer to hide somewhere far from people under a nice tree.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
That's also wrong. Most people are not creeps. Creeps are absolutely the minority but cause such a huge issue and impression, women label all or most guys as being the same. And it is socially accepted.
I'll keep doing me, IDGAF. If that makes women hate or find me revolting or creepy, thats on them. Not me.
cpeachtsd@reddit
A group of women were asked when they last read a book and not one of them were insulted? You're worrying about the wrong people's opinions.
I'm a woman in my twenties, a loner so much so that I was laughed at for sitting alone during lunch on my first day of secondary school and then again on my wedding day by my own guests when I sat alone to eat. And that's why we're loners, because we're surrounded by people who find solitude to be such a foreign concept that they find it amusing when they see others indulging in it.
Another reason being that the women at that table who laughed at you, will have said much worse about each other, to each other, and they're able to do so because of credibility by proximity. Why they do it is beyond me, probably something to do with being unable to be alone and having to strategise and orchestrate in order to maintain their social standing.
I'd rather sit alone and read a book. Wouldn't you?
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
YES!!
Thanks for this! You sound so like me 😂 Introvert all the way! Haha
cpeachtsd@reddit
You sound so much like me, too! 😂 Keep doing what you're called to do. Something I live by is "don't worry about what others think of you, they don't" but from your post it sounds like something that might work better for you is "you're too busy asking yourself what others think of you to ask yourself what you think of them" both work for me, I hope at least one works for you!
Professional-Crab936@reddit
Wow. If you do this in London you’ll get a different response.
I used to dine alone fairly often, still do now. I’d either sketch in a book or read a book. I’ve had a lot of people strike up conversations with me over it.
bunkbedgirl1989@reddit
Bizarre. I sm female 30s and regularly take myself out for dinner or a drink solo, I love it
NorthCountryLass@reddit
They are just rubbish people; it’s as simple as that. They are immature and have no manners. Ignore such people and avoid them. Others will not behave like that. Start looking for signs of intelligence and empathy in people: they are crucial signs that someone is worth spending time with
jbi1000@reddit
The fuck? I just entered my 30s and pretty much everyone I know reads plenty of books
The_Professor2112@reddit
Yeah I'm really struggling to believe op has been mocked by adults for reading.
More-Magician4492@reddit
Maybe he’s in Liverpool
HopeRemarkable3463@reddit
He already said this is Scotland.... (I'm Scottish before you have a go...) Sheltered country with sheltered people in small away from the real world old assed attitudes... (some/lots) I LOVE Scotland and my 6 my 5 can feel like you are on Mars sometimes.
StrangeRun5537@reddit
I'm Scottish, can confirm.
I wouldn't say it's the fact he's reading, it's probably more of a 'look at this pure fanny in the pub reading a book cos he's got nae pals!' sort of thing lol.
TimmyFarlight@reddit
It could be either a Black Mirror episode or the movie Idiocracy.
Colonel_Wildtrousers@reddit
A mate of mine who lives in a hardcore working class area had a bloke hounded out of his local pub because he would read a book and they thought he was police!
I’m proudly working class but sometimes I despair of the way some working class people revel in being thick as shit and suspicious of anything intellectual
LittleDiveBar@reddit
Yeah, but that them showing THEIR insecurity when they do that.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
100%! Just curious as to why its such a popular attitude or mentality to have here...
Conscious-Cake6284@reddit
People are definitely more judgemental of people doing their own thing in the UK compared to most other countries I've travelled. Maybe it's an island thing.
Colonel_Wildtrousers@reddit
Yeah I’m in Spain on my own right now, been out on my own all week- no problem. The bar staff try and chat to me or acknowledge my existence as I’ve been in regularly. That’s how it goes.
The U.K. is a very insular society but even then up north people tend to be more open
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I just find it bizarre and interesting lol
Makes socialising as a single solo guy rather difficult, thats for sure!
Conscious-Cake6284@reddit
Yeah and the people that aren't judgemental assume you want to be left alone haha, can't win.
I think if socialising is your goal then clubs you have to join would be a better bet.
Salty_Primary9761@reddit
Just making a wild guess here - people you see in groups like that are often strong conformists. They tend to attack anything that seems different, unless what you do or who you are falls into one of the currently "protected" groups. In that case, criticizing would be considered uncool. Anything else is "weird" to them. But truthfully, they couldn't care less one way or another. They're often young and clueless, still in the process of developing their personalities and preferences.
Their conformist tendencies are reflected in their appearance as well. The men usually look like North Face clones with their broccoli haircuts, and the women resemble carbon copies of one another, with that same blank, dead fish look - faces modeled after the latest social media trends.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Haha best part was, the latest experience I had in Starbucks with a group of women mocking me loudly, they were easily in their late 20's to late 30's!! They should have grown out of that phase by now, surely?
Colonel_Wildtrousers@reddit
I love how you are getting downvoted, clearly people think you shouldn’t have grown out of being a prick by the time you’re a 30 year old woman 😂😂😂😂
Never change, Reddit. Never change 😂
LittleDiveBar@reddit
IDK, I don't understand. You are just seeing in US standards is the high school jock cliques.
You also aren't seeing the hundreds of solo people who aren't brave enough to venture out alone like yourself.
Scary-Temperature871@reddit
Its not, you just met a bunch of weirdos
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Seems my area of Scptoand is full of weirdos then haha Most of whom would actually call ME the weirdo 😂😂 The irony...
Inner-Put4189@reddit
I mean it is bathgate...
I'm kidding, nice place really but got a few oddballs.
I'm not far away and spend a fair amount of time on my own on walks, pubs, and restaurants. I can get into my own head about it as well, but especially in the big cities you'll see people on their tod all the time.
ViewRepresentative30@reddit
Yeah I was wondering if it was because it's a book. People would usually assume someone on their own at a bar is waiting for a friend, here on business and bored of the hotel etc. Is it a physical book vs an ebook, and if physical what kind of book? Also how busy was it, and do you think the group wanted your seat?
YchYFi@reddit
You need to drown out the noise. They won't think of you again after the fact. Stop giving miles to worry.
Quick-Low-3846@reddit
Where exactly was this? Wetherspoons or something?
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
No... most recent was upstairs in Starbucks Edinburgh!
Fruitpicker15@reddit
Some people have nothing better to do but most people aren't like that. In my local pub you can bring a book, your dog if you have one and sit on the sofa next to the fire reading. In the summer you can sit in their garden.
Dizzy_Guest8351@reddit
They sound like the biggest group of losers in Scotland.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Check some of the comments... They are few in numbers but let's be real, few people with this mentality actually use Reddit. But thos who do have commented saying things like "guy on his own is creepy", "a weirdo", a guy reading a book in a cafe is "mentally deficient" etc.
So people with this attitude and mentality definitely exist! I also think they are more co.mon than people realise, especially in Scotland... People here can be proper vile cunts. Especially if you support the 'wrong' football team.
phleshlight@reddit
Sorry if this comes across as rude in any way, but are you sure there's nothing else to it? I'm similar age amd love going at by myself, I love reading in pubs. The only odd reaction I get is from drunk older women who love chatting to me for some reason. Nobody ever bothers me or, as far as I know, cares what I'm doing.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I don't think so... I have had situations where I'm deep into my book and haven't looked up for ages to then come back to the present and hear the table next to me talking about how sad you must have to be to sit and read alone in a cafe on a Saturday, or even had younger women shout abuse my way for no reason, I look up and they shouted "wtf you lookin at ya weirdo" or something to that effect.
I wonder if its just schemey people from around my neck of the woods who are like this and I'm just unfortunate enough to also clash with them in Glasgow or Edinburgh 😂 Because I will say, this type of random verbal abuse (sometimes even physical) towards complete strangers was rather prevalent in and around Bathgate, especially when I was younger!
I couldn't go out to a pub in Bathgate without me or someone I know being jumped, glassed or bottled and fights kicking off... I thought all of it died down and I avoided most of it by never going out at night. But it seems people are still quick to attack strangers who sit alone in broad daylight for some reason. Even if it is just verbal. Still a bit fucking odd and pathetic if you ask me. But I just brush it off and keep reading or finish my coffee and leave ASAP if they look likely to be there a while.
phleshlight@reddit
I'm sorry to hear that; people can be mean but that sounds even worse than anything I've ever experienced.
If I can give any advice, being a man in a similar sort of mindset, I'd say always dress your best, wear a smile and smoke cigarettes. The cigarettes alone will start a million conversations. I prefer to be left alone, especially when I'm reading a book, but I have a friendly and open demeanour which (annoyingly to me) means people approach me a lot when I'm by myself.
Shannoonuns@reddit
This really isn't the flex they think it is. I wouldn't worry too much about it honestly.
Cautious-Space-1714@reddit
My SIL was once asked outside nursery to stop letting my niece read. The other mums thought she was showing up their kids.
Glasgow, because of course.
My brother said her answer used the word "fuck", and variants thereof, more than all the other words put together...
So I'll add another - fuck 'em.
Niece started uni in September. The other kids? Don't know, don't care.
sjplep@reddit
Those people are idiots, and most likely jealous (else why waste energy?).
When you say 'here' - Where are you?
KyleB12368@reddit
You need to try and work on building up the ability to not care about the opinion of others. It doesn't matter what they think of you. Probably just thinking and saying things like that because they're disappointed with their life and could never feel comfortable enough in their own skin to sit and read a book by themselves.
Fuck them losers and fuck what they think about you.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I don't care. Just curious as to why people think this way. It seems very common and just makes me not want to talk or approach people in general. Especially women.
Also wanted to know if this is isolated to my area of Scotland, Scotland as a whole or even the UK
KyleB12368@reddit
I don't mean this to come across harshly or anything but it is evident you do care. You care enough to write this post and you care enough for it to make you not want to talk or approach people, especially women. You're better than that.
Extreme_Meaning_7566@reddit
I’m a Scottish female from the East coast. Agree people in Edinburgh tend to keep themselves more to the group they are in. Glasgow not so much.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Happened in Glasgow to me last weekend. Guys would say a couple words and go back to their group.
Sasspishus@reddit
"I don't care, I just made an entire post to rant about it, why would you think that means I care?"
Vivid_Way_1125@reddit
Dude they sound like chavvy skets from the local block of council flats…. Why TF do you care what they think?
TopdickedEU@reddit
This has to be some weird fanfic.
chaosfollows101@reddit
Unfortunately I think they were just cunts.
SterlingVoid@reddit
They probably can't read
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Right!? 😂
Death_By_Stere0@reddit
Some people are just ignorant. Reading a good book is one of life's greatest pleasures, that is enjoyed by billions of people. Some people struggle with reading, whether due to dyslexia, or because they are unable to imagine the situations being described (my niece has that - she just has no sense of internal visual imagination).
But some people just could never be bothered, they see it as something they have to actively engage with that requires effort, or they simply grew up in that sort of culture that tries to keep everyone at the lowest level - e.g. if you tried hard to succeed at my school you were called a 'keener', which was perceived as something akin to an ass-kisser.
That type of thinking has always been pathetic, but some people really buy into it. My advice is just to ignore them - for the few you may have noticed giving you looks, there are many more that will have chosen to just leave you alone.
Here in Bristol, I have frequently gone to the pub on my own and just sat with the newspaper or a book, and quietly enjoyed a pint. Sadly, there aren't any nice boozers around where I live now, so it has been a while. I miss it.
im-havingaconniption@reddit
Fuck em. Miserable horrible people won't have people mourning their death. Pity them
CherrySG@reddit
God, I'm really sorry. I go to coffee shops with a book all the time, I'm in England and it's become quite common here. I'm 61F.
ExtensionGuilty8084@reddit
Avoid weatherspoons next time. There are better places to read a book and/or drink coffee alone.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
God, I'd never be caught dead in spoons by myself 😂
ExtensionGuilty8084@reddit
Then I am curious to know what kind of environment you go to. It sounds to me something far worst then a WS…
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I would normally sit in Starbucks or something if I'm going to read, or a park bench on a nice day. I never drink alcohol unless its a special occasion.
I was in Black Friars last weekend (Glasgow) and a couple other bars. No one spoke, even when I tried to engage and stood at the bar. So I sat down at a table on my own and just enjoyed the live music. Which was bloody good btw!
ExtensionGuilty8084@reddit
You might want to try some social events rather than walking into a bar and trying to talk to people who are trying to have a drink in silence.
Think about sports or even a reading club. That’d be a great start.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I didn't just walk into a bar and try to speak to people haha I was out for my birthday but my mates couldn't make it so ended up going solo. Not something I would typically do, thats for sure!
But I have tried groups and clubs but people will tend to stick to their own wee friend groups they attend with and not chat to anyone else.
I can't help but wonder if Covid and social media have destroyed any socialisation capabilities many people might have had...
StinkyOBumBum@reddit
Start videoing them
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
And actually get done for being a creep and videoing women I don't know without permission? Good idea! Haha
StinkyOBumBum@reddit
What law would you be breaking exactly? ‘These lovely women are laughing at me for reading a book on my own. Girls - does it make you feel big to gang up on someone who’s minding their own business?’
Don’t back down. Or just sit there miserably while you take it from strangers. Up to you
Fair_Woodpecker_6088@reddit
Those people sound like idiots who would probably make fun of anyone they saw. Once that happens once, it’s easy to assume everyone laughing or even looking in your direction is directing it at you, but 99% of the time that isn’t the case.
I used to have your exact mentality until I just stopped caring about what other people thought and just did my own thing. It was like flicking a switch one day and I just suddenly stopped caring.
dprkicbm@reddit
Where was this? Obviously they are a bunch of cunts but it sort of sounds like you sat next to a bunch of drunk women and started reading a book. It seems odd to have both things going on in the same setting.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
This was in Starbucks!!! Not drunk. Why are people thinking I was reading in a club? The amount of people who can't read is absolutely ridiculous
SabziZindagi@reddit
He was in a Blackpool nightclub at 1am
Danelius90@reddit
You've probably heard it once and perhaps assume others are too? When people are drunk they'll make comments about anything.
Tbh I think it shows good confidence, go out and be in your own company and read a book or something. The fact is people move around or go through different events and sometimes you are on your own and that isn't a bad thing.
I'm quite conversational so will strike up conversations with anyone, and I have had (albeit it was in Australia where I live) a girl come up to me before.
Others are right 90% of people don't care and the rest just have silly opinions.
MievilleMantra@reddit
What a bunch of losers omg
FredB123@reddit
The best thing to do is ignore them.
Anyone that thinks reading a book is weird is not worth engaging with. Pretty much everyone I know reads books, and we have a very active book exchange library in a telephone box just up the road from me. You're not alone!
CHawkeye@reddit
Pity those that act in that manner. There’s all sorts of shit going on under their hoods.
Then ignore them. Nothing better than sitting quietly reading a book.
daneview@reddit
Yeah, they're the weirdos there, I can't imagine anyone giving g a crap about someone reading. Assuming you weren't sat in a busy clubbing type bar or somewhere clearly out of place, but in a pub, coffee shop, park or whatever, wouldn't give it a second date thought
everybodyctfd@reddit
They just sound like wallopers. I am a mid 30s femalr and one of my greatest pleasures is having a free afternoon to read a book in a cafe or pub on my own. I don't know why you are spending your time worrying about what some ckearly sad individuals think of you.
Cult-Film-Fan-999@reddit
That's a them problem. Who cares what they think? Nothing wrong with sitting with a book and a pint. Or get a dog! I sit with my dog and a pint in the beer garden.
Cosmic-Hippos@reddit
Excellent answer
Richard__Papen@reddit
I think if you look awkward/'odd' when hanging out on your own then people, especially groups, may well look at you and may take the Mick.
Specific-Ad-1926@reddit
I don't think that's right and be careful your not gaslighting yourself here. I completely agree where he's coming from
socandostuff@reddit
No one cares
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
British women are extremely judgmental and mentally don’t really progress from cliquey schoolgirls - in their eyes, if you don’t conform to the lad/block stereotype and are not a loud, obnoxious arsehole, then you’re regarded with suspicion and hostility; if you have the temerity to be introverted and worse still shy, then they deem you to be lower than a pedophile.
British women see a man on his own as an easy target and, just like at school, will mock and him and encourage other men to pick on him.
Realistic-Mango-1020@reddit
Not one British woman I have interacted with has ever behaved like this
Legal-Reply-864@reddit
I agree, I don’t know any woman who would mock a man in this way. Very strange
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
Oh, my sweet summer child…
Realistic-Mango-1020@reddit
Have I been sheltered from the horrors? 😱
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
Are you male or female?
Realistic-Mango-1020@reddit
Female
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
Re-read my comment again
Realistic-Mango-1020@reddit
My point is as a fellow woman that hangs around other women I have never seen or heard the behaviour you describe being shown by any British woman I have interacted with. We may be in different circles and thus have different experiences.
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
I was writing specifically about how they perceive and treat men
Realistic-Mango-1020@reddit
Yes, I am telling you I have never seen any of the women I hang out or even slightly interact with behaving like this towards men or even talking in a way that would indicate such behaviour. I’m not trying to invalidate your experience
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
You presumably think it’s normal and acceptable
Realistic-Mango-1020@reddit
Where did I presume any such thing in my comments?
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
You don’t notice it, because you see it as normal behaviour
Realistic-Mango-1020@reddit
Looks like you are the one making the assumptions here. I don’t see it because this isn’t an ALL British women thing but a women in your circles, town etc thing. Nowhere did I say this behaviour is right.
MediumPeteWrigley@reddit
“Nasty little womenses”
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
And…?
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Damn... This your experience?
I try not to generalise or tar every woman with the same brush. However, me being introverted and just loving my own space and company has always been approached with caution and even hostility from a majority of women I have interacted with.
Sitting on a bench on my own and having women aggressively shout at me was one such experience. School was tough and I for sure was bullied more by girls verbally, which then led to physical bullying from the guys. So I do understand your perspective.
I like to think the majority of women are not like this. But I do feel enough women are this way to make us feel uncomfortable when it comes to talking to women we don't know, or even women we do know in certain circumstances!
I posted about approaching 200 odd women in two days as a bit of an experiment. Go have a read if you're interested.
Legal-Reply-864@reddit
They sound strange people. I live in Edinburgh and have been never seen or heard this strange behaviour. Just sounds very unusual, as no one usually bothers or pays much attention. You see many people here at cinema themselves, sitting reading in cafes etc, walking solo, especially up Arthur’s seat, and no one raises an eyebrow
Savage_eggbeast@reddit
After a hard day running my online business - all my coworkers are spread all over the world - if the wife is watching a show and i’m restless I’ll head to my favourite bar with a good book… and read reddit!
I hate that it’s so addictive. I almost want to just take long train journeys so I can really enjoy a book. Need to turn off the wifi really.
But yeah male loneliness / soloing is a natural thing. Find your places of solace away from the dickheads.
Useful-Midnight8368@reddit
Nothing really. I always do things on my own!
Upbeat_Primary_1351@reddit
I don't think I would even notice. But I'm a single woman, so that could be why. It's not easy being single when your friends aren't . Don't worry about other people, just be you and do what makes you happy. I get grief for being single at 38, like a woman couldn't possibly, lol. I do, unfortunately, for those around me happily chat with anyone.
velvetsquid@reddit
Woman in her thirties here. Also work between Glasgow and my home town.
I go everywhere alone. I don’t really have a lot of friends and tend to prefer my own company. That being said, i will absolutely talk to someone if they talk to me or appear approachable - example being I went to watch the dolphins off shore with some binoculars and managed to get talking to a fella who had a long lens camera and was doing the same thing.
One thing growing older has taught me is that I need to be the maker of my own enjoyment. I used to be very self conscious doing things alone and I’d feel paranoid that people were looking at or talking about me. I just pay less attention. I’m out there for me and no one else.
I wish you happy independent travels :)
FrontHeat3041@reddit
Absolutely nothing, this is pretty normal. A lot more people these days do stuff on their own.
Danuk9455@reddit
https://youtu.be/nOyGw5sMHFQ
syllo-dot-xyz@reddit
A strong man/woman doesn't gaf about random people's prejudice.
I'm confident, social, and I also enjoy spending time alone, couldn't give a fuck about other people's insecurities about my own day to day life.
The people doing this are probably addicted to social media, and pretend they're the centre of a soap-opera
Alexboogeloo@reddit
I’ve learned over the years, people that make snide, nasty or spiteful comments are unhappy with their own lives.
Which is a shame for them but I care not a jot about what their opinions are.
I’m happy enough with my solitude because I choose it.
AkihabaraWasteland@reddit
Are you sure you're not being overly self conscious and imagining judgment from people that isn't there?
Standard_Power135@reddit
Grow up.
Helpful_Western7298@reddit
I been to many gigs, concerts alone because some friends cancelled last minute. I still had a good time.
I have seen many women go to festivals, restaurants, concerts solo.
I been on holidays with mates, all they wanted to do was stay in the hotel. I went out & explored solo.
Helpful_Western7298@reddit
No one gives a shit or notices,mate.
Ok-Hedgehog-4455@reddit
As a 41 year old man who spends the vast majority of his time alone (and did so during his 30s)…I never once felt judged or uncomfortable tbh. This was all in London though.
Which_Implement8952@reddit
He’s comfortable in his own skin
Historical-Fox-6267@reddit
I think you are definitely not alone in experiencing this, and it's true for blokes in a wide age range. What I've learned is you simply have to develop your self confidence, and learn to spot opportunities to strike up conversations. This is a really hit and miss strategy, some people WILL think you're weird, others will instinctively realise you're just trying to be sociable and reciprocate. Don't get disheartened, remember that as humans we're social animals, and mostly compassionate and empathetic, so as long as you're not just jumping on people with a look of someone desperate to not be seen as a "Billy no mates", you will find it an interesting experience, and no doubt in time find people you'll be able to have good friendships with.
MistifyingSmoke@reddit
Literally couldn't give a flying feck 🤣 why would I care if a stranger is sitting on a public bench reading or whatever? Not sure if you're being paranoid mate
IPoisonedThePizza@reddit
I am an introvert so for me it seems like a casual Tuesday lmao
HumbleElephant737@reddit
This is a Uk thing. See any other western country and you’ll see men out on their own often, whether it out to have a cigarette and a phone call or old boys sitting on a bench. It’s totally normalised everywhere but the Uk and US. Move to Europe lol
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I couldn't move and face not seeing my wee girl...
If I could, I'd deffo move to Europe though. I have heard dating is also easier there lol
Bertybassett99@reddit
Nothing.
Putrid-Storage-9827@reddit
Reading is not as common a hobby as it used to be, and paper books especially are becoming less and less common all the time (the Internet killed the magazine and the newspaper). People are actually doing things by themselves more and more, but reading physical books in public is not as usual as it used to be and I guess flags some people as a nerd/loner move. There it is, dunno what to tell you.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
So its ok for women 30's or older to go to those kinds of places but not guys?
Born_Price6063@reddit
I goto electronic music, if I go on my own I leave with 3 or 4 new friends and an after party,
people find it easy to talk to and approach lone warriors..
that said if I was a mid 30s guy at a meat market club I’d advise checking his internet history
EdinPrepper@reddit
Honestly you're overthinking it.
The wise phrase: You’ll worry less about what people think of you when you realize how seldom they do.
Mostly nobody is thinking or cares. If you're reading a book in a pub or club during the evening that might be more remarkable as it's an odd place to do that in what is at that time a social venue...and then in rougher areas I'd expect remarks and wind ups...
However in general in parks, in coffee shops etc not an issue.
In pubs and clubs remember it's likely a pickup situation...girls may have their guards up as loads of guys approach them and guys are wary of other guys causing competition and interfering with their game...guys go there very often to pick up women. Women do more often go to hang out with friends and sometimes the guys hitting on them are welcome sometimes an irritation.
You need a bit of skill to break into groups naturally in such environments. Just be cool, and have fun. If you're confident and not weird or creepy it'll happen.
Another factor is Scottish banter. A lot of people elsewhere don't realise that we wind people up all the time and it's a game laced with bon ami you're supposed to give back as good as you get. All play. Sometimes people visiting don't realise that!
supermanlazy@reddit
I tend to think "lucky bugger". What I would give for some quiet time by myself
Bluezee20@reddit
Hi. I live on the Isle of Man & am in a similar position to yourself. I'm in my late 30s, have a few friends I don't see very often. I live by myself & tend to do things by myself. However, when I get a coffee to sit in, I don't feel that people are looking at me or judging me for being on my own. Like yourself, I can talk to anyone. As humans we're meant to be with other people but sometimes you just want your own company?
HalfExcellent9930@reddit
Does anyone really say those things?
I'm not calling you a liar but...
Dyrenforth@reddit
Nobody cares. Seriously, nobody is interested. You may however be suffering from paranoia, don't let that escalate. Talk to someone.
spacemanmoses@reddit
I've been solo in Scotland multiple times and been fine, zero dirty looks.
In London I joined a group last week, one woman talked to me about it after class, and this week a woman approached me to ask for help opening her water bottle (!).
Within 4 weeks of joining another group I was nominated to organanise a cocktail night.
I don't know why you are getting grief, it's not a British or Scottish thing, from what I can tell.
HolidayAd7971@reddit
I have often ended up on my own in clubs and I have never had any bother, in fact I usually end up hanging out with some group or person as the night progresses. I'm in Edinburgh btw.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Interesting. I was out in Glasgow last weekend and I had the opposite experience. A city widely known for its talkative and openly friendly citizens. Also, I ended up in a club too. No one spoke to me the whole night other than "are you here yourself", "aye" then they went back to their seat and their friends 😂
I also got absolutely grilled by a bouncer who said its extremely odd for a guy to be by himself. I had to basically give my whole life story as to how I ended up in Glasgow on my own before she let me in!!
HolidayAd7971@reddit
Might be the type of club? I'm always in rock bars/clubs and you do see a fair few loners, especially at the rockaoke! Oh and smoking helps, it separates people from their groups and you usually end up bumping into them all night.
StrangeRun5537@reddit
I've always found rock bars to be the most welcoming. Especially in Edinburgh, I'd often nip up there on the bike, have a few beers, chat to some randoms then ride back down.
Can't even have one drink now though so I don't bother.
weesiwel@reddit
Surprised you got in tbh. They never let me in.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
It was my bday and my friends I was meant to meet up with couldn't make it. So she asked for my ID to check my birth date then let me in...
Crazy that everyone seems so suss of single guys being out and about alone. Why is it like this!?
weesiwel@reddit
Cause single men aren't allowed to live.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Sure as hell seems this way at times.
If you're a single guy and out and about alone, people will avoid you like the plague. Even in situations where interactions are required, they are usually very limited and abrupt. Nobody knows how to small talk anymore or just have a genuine conversation, it seems. Especially with single solo guys!
weesiwel@reddit
Society doesn't want us that's clear. I just hope I get hit by a bus soon tbh.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Good God! Don't say that!
Truthfully, I do think us guys need to be looking out for ourselves and each other. Sounds like you really need someone to talk to bud
weesiwel@reddit
Yeah well never gonna talk to anyone cause I'm a single guy and society doesn't want me to exist.
Fabulous-Ganache-138@reddit
U sound like an incel
weesiwel@reddit
By definition I am one. Celibate involuntarily so yeah I guess.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Do you mind if I ask where in the country you're from?
Sounds like you could benefit from having some real friends who'll pull you out of that hole you're in.
Society sucks, I agree. But nobody wants you deleted from life. Sometimes it feels like it. Sometimes it feels like everything and everyone is against you. But getting out, letting go of what people say or think about you and just enjoying life is so damn freeing. The freedom you will feel is unparalleled, if you just let yourself experience and feel it. Find a passion or multiple passions. Find places to go, things to enjoy. If women are bringing you down, forget them. Find yourself again and find something that gives you purpose first.
weesiwel@reddit
Scotland
Yeah but I'll never have any friends so that's not a possibility.
No they don't want me deleted they want me to suffer so I can contribute to GDP while I am living this torturous existence. Not deleting myself is the only thing they care about.
There's nothing to enjoy about this life. Not when I am alone every second of every day.
Lazy_Age_9466@reddit
Cause they think you are a drug dealer in a club. Usually the only single men trying to get into clubs.
weesiwel@reddit
But that's not true most young guys are single.
Lazy_Age_9466@reddit
They go with friends. The door staff literally told someone on this thread that single guys are rare in the clubs.
weesiwel@reddit
Plenty guys don't have friends these days don't know if you've been paying attention to the world right now. So that doesn't add up either.
Lazy_Age_9466@reddit
Talk to the clubs then. I am telling you why they do not let them in, they suspect they are drug dealers. I am literally answering the question you posed.
weesiwel@reddit
Yeah and they just gonna do what they always do. If this happened to any other group of people there'd be an outrage but because it's single males which society doesn't want to exist and outcasts nobody gives a damn.
Yeah again if you used that excuse to exclude any other group from anything there'd be outrage. It's about time you just start admitting the truth and telling us to end it like society wants.
Lazy_Age_9466@reddit
You are on a bit of a pity party here
weesiwel@reddit
By speaking the truth?
Lazy_Age_9466@reddit
Poor poor me, single guys alone without friends find it hard to get into clubs. How terrible for me.
Scary-Temperature871@reddit
That's not cos you were alone though, you know what you did weesiwel
heisenbergpuffer@reddit
I'm the wrong person to ask, I don't like people.
I feel alone when I'm on my own and I see other people within their cliques. Wishing I had a clique. At the same time though, I don't want to be part of their clique.
I'm happiest when I'm on my own, left to my own thoughts, in the middle of nowhere, or at a gig or somewhere where I won't feel like I'm being judged.
I think it's a subconscious thing - I don't think people will actually give a toss if you're on your own but in my mind (maybe yours too) it feels like people are judging you. TBH I think deep down it's jealousy and I'm not judging because I've been in similar situations.
coupl4nd@reddit
Sigma sighting
Individual_Ad_974@reddit
Having worked in pubs and clubs over the years I’ve seen many many guys socialise on their own and never once thought about it, and Ive never once heard anyone make any comments about the person either so I find it strange that you get comments all the time. No one really concerns themselves with anyone else outwith their own group so you shouldn’t either, go enjoy yourself and stop worrying:
No_Wrap_9979@reddit
Wouldn’t go to a club on my own, but all those other places are so utterly normal to go to on your own that I doubt very much people are talking about you and it’s more likely your paranoia speaking.
bluewater005@reddit
I would be thinking … mmmm he’s nice. I wonder if he would fancy my wife !! She likes younger guys.
Aggressive-Bad-440@reddit
I give zero fucks.
hardlymatters1986@reddit
I dont believe this tbh. Sitting and reading in a cafe is a very normal thing to do. Going out drinking on your own might draw some attention from a certain crowd, but loads of people openly talking about you, doubt it.
Senior_Mix_3700@reddit
I’m in London. I’ve never thought twice about people being out in public on their own, and if I’m on my own I don’t think twice about it either. I don’t think I’ve ever been in a situation where a companion has commented on someone being alone.
ilovemydog40@reddit
I am a mum of two, one has special needs …… I LOVE going for a drink or a meal on my own, barely ever happens but when it does it’s like a holiday 🥂
re_Claire@reddit
I just commented similar as a fellow Londoner. It's super normal and common here. I'm single in my late 30's so I have to do most things I want by myself as everyone else has partners to do things with. I'll meet up with friends for dinner etc but so often many things I want to do people will have already done with their partner, or can't go that weekend etc. I happily just go alone and it's great fun. I can go round a museum at my own pace, don't have to share the popcorn at the cinema etc.
Specialist-Alps6478@reddit
I second this, I live in London and it’s completely normal to see a man reading somewhere/doing things alone.
ilovemydog40@reddit
Confidence!
davenuk@reddit
i'd look at you and think "he's happy"
wojwojwojwojwojwoj@reddit
Depends on what the guys like but if he’s sat in the corner typing up a huge reddit post I’d assume he’s weird
P1tchburn@reddit
I think you’re overthinking this.
Sitting in the park, in a cafe, at the cinema… couldn’t care less.
A guy doing something like clubbing or trying to pick up girls on his own I’d think he’s a bit weird.
I saw a guy alone in a restaurant the other day. I thought ‘that’s really nice, wish I had that confidence’ then never thought about him again. He’s just a dude eating.
spinachmuncher67@reddit
That i wish I had the guts to do it. F57
No-Calligrapher-7415@reddit
I love being alone and yes I get funny looks do I care no... I see it as envy from the other person that I'm there doing what I want to do, in my own time and they are stuck in an unhappy relationship or situation.
FairyDani92@reddit
I live in London and I think its normal to hang on your own in cities. Going for lunch or a coffee shop and reading/walking alone definitely isn't weird. When i'm working I prefer to have lunch alone as I don't have to make small talk and I can choose where I go.
I think people are more weird about it in small towns but its a them problem.
I-live-in-room-101@reddit
Take this in the spirit it’s intended…
I wouldn’t speak to you I’m afraid.
But I certainly wouldn’t judge you.
Because I wouldn’t even notice you.
StrangeKittehBoops@reddit
It depends on what you're doing. If you're skulking in the bushes with your todger in your hand, then it's fine, but if you're reading a book in a cafe, then you should be on a list, mate.
Seriously, I'd think nothing. I wouldn't notice that you're on your own, I might glace at what book you're reading. Anyone who does say anything negative about you doing something completely normal has a problem, usually with their own self-confidence. It's healthy to enjoy your own company and not rely on others.
Unless you're being a creep, then you can get in the bin.
I spent half my life doing stuff on my own, gigs, films, cafes, and most people never noticed. I had issues with a few creeps (I'm a woman)
Beautiful-Sun1740@reddit
It isn't something I've ever seen in Northern Ireland. A lot of people here do things very much alone. The only thing maybe would be clubs? I dont think Ive seen people go there alone however everywhere else is ok. Im a woman but I go to cafes and read while I eat, shop alone, Ive been to pubs alone when they had singers etc in. People in NI are peaceful enough and like their space. I have found in England things are a bit harsher that way, Im not fond of that.
Rachaelmm1995@reddit
Good for him
Jumpy-Beginning3686@reddit
I used to spend a lot of time on my own; used to go kayaking , hillwalking , fishing and lived on my own ... travelled around Canada on my own and also went to London on my own . Ps I had family contact in each place, so i did have ppl to be with ...
I fairness I still do some stuff on my own however live with a partner and my stepdaughter nowso don't feel like such a liner anymore
snow880@reddit
Wouldn’t give it a thought. I was once in a bar reading a book (I’d taken a rare afternoon off for myself) and I heard a lady say ‘I wish I could sit and read a book in the afternoon’. She was clearly jealous, maybe that’s the same for you op?
Tski247@reddit
Nothing, unless he looks dodgy.
Squint-Square@reddit
I honestly wouldn’t even register it
cookie-monster-ram@reddit
British woman here! I love in London and have always lived in England so I can't speak to any Scottish specific culture.
First of all, please do whatever makes you happy regardless of what people (myself included) think!
So two cents are essentially that yes, in some specific circumstances it would appear strange to see a guy hanging out on his own but most of the time it's fine. The main one being a club (particularly ones where there's not a known DJ playing) as I see these as places to dance with friends and maybe find date/one night stand. In this specific circumstance a guy on his own may appear creepy or predatory. When someone is there in a group it demonstrates social capital and that they must be ok enough to have friends. It's different if it's a gig or performance of a known DJ. This could be a good place to meet other fans.
I think pretty much every other circumstance is socially acceptable. For many women, a guy reading a book on his own in a coffee shop or park would be a massive plus! For others (maybe ones that don't like reading) they may find it unappealing for anyone of any gender to be reading alone. I suppose it may also depend on the venue's vibe and target audience. For example, all coffee shops would be fine but there may be some specific restaurants that are more tailored to groups (I don't know why but TGI Friday's come to mind). I often see people eating solo in London in places like nandos, but I can imagine in more suburban areas this may seem stranger.
Hope this helps somewhat!
OrganizationOk5418@reddit
Nothing.
No_Square1035@reddit
No one thinks that much about other people.
Snap-Crackle-Pot@reddit
I’m indifferent to seeing people on their own whether I’m in London or a country pub. If immature people are talking negatively or laughing about you within earshot they’re just being rude and could clearly do with some self development themselves. A lot of young people can’t handle their own company, to them being alone is a scary concept. Ignore them, they don’t know any better
IDoMeanWell@reddit
Having read some of your post history, I wonder how accurate a reflection of the situation you are presenting? Considering you talk about "high value women" and how this occurred during two days of approaching over 200 women just at random and asking them for their number because you think they look nice and then finding their understandably blunt refusals as "aggressive" - have a think about whether you were just sitting there reading to yourself and they without provocation commented about how creepy and pathetic you are, or whether you were trying to look like you were just sitting there reading but were actually checking out women and approaching them? It comes across a little bit Tate Brothers. Perhaps unintentionally. As a general rule, women don't like being approached in everyday situations. As others have said, try getting to know women you actually have stuff in common with. You say that everyone knows that dating apps don't work, but they often do... At least it's less awkward being approached on a dating app than when you're just grabbing a coffee with friends. Try not to feel rejected by people declining your attempts - I understand it can be disappointing, but maybe reframe the way you think of women. If it comes across on Reddit that you see women more as an achievement than as people you are genuinely interested in, then it might come across similar in real life. Good luck, hope you find the right person.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Did you know dating apps are 72% male dominated?
The avg male will receive 1 like in the same time an avg woman receives over 100. So no, dating apps dont work for the majority of men. Nor do single events as they are also attended by a male dominated audience. I have been to a few where mostly men turned up and the few women who attended were ugly in personality as much as looks and not one guy wanted to be there after the first 10 mins or so...
High value status is different to everyone, its subjective. But to me, it'd be women who dont drink regularly, who dont do drugs, who dont play mind games or sleep around. Unfortunately, women with these qualities have been rather rare to come by.
Also, no, I dont typically look at a woman or approach in normal day-to-day life. So when my mate said I should do as he used to do, grab the bull by the horns and approach women in town (Edinburgh and Glasgow) I was both mortified and terrified! But I know it used to work for him and he was a player once upon a time, having a different girl for each day of the week almost... But that was before he settled. And I figured, stuff it, I'll try it. I'll put myself out there for those two days and also approach it as a bit of a social experiment as I studied psychology and it'll be interesting to get the female perspective.
Rejection is not aggressive. But when a woman verbally abuses you and shouts slander in your face just for smiling and saying hi? I'd count that as aggressive behaviour. Needlessly so. Most women were absolutely fine to chat. And I didn't spend the whole day just stopping women in the street. I tried various locations all over town. Went to grab a bite to eat and saw an attractive woman, my challenge was to at least say hi. If we vibed (or I felt we did at least - an instinct I seem to severely lack), I would ask for her number or if she was free now, later, tomorrow, whatever. Each and every time, I was met with rejection.
So, after the first few kind let downs, I decided I wanted to know how the majority of women I met felt about being approached and where (if at all) would be an appropriate place for a man to approach. The overwhelming majority said nowhere. Which leads me back to dating apps and what I said earlier... If the odds are so skewed against men both IRL and on the apps, what other options do we have?
I have a general rule of never dating from a pool of women in a place I frequent. Why? Done it a few times and more often than not, things are just awkward when you see each other after a break up. So those places would be work, gym and any woman who works in a place I go to daily or weekly.
All in all, it feels like I'm out of options to meet someone naturally and organically. My interests and passions are rather niche, too, so finding a woman who not only understands or appreciates them, but also enjoys them herself has been near impossible my whole life.
Single for two years without a single date has shook me a bit, I can't lie. But I do feel alot of the anti-social behaviour must be a result of something fairly recent. I used to have no issue in my early 20's sparking conversation with strangers, especially women. Today it seems everyone is in their own wee bubble and doesn't want anyone to enter.
Then they all go home and post on social media about being sad and not meeting or having dates 😂 Its like, all I do is put myself out there. I hate sitting at home, so I'm always out and about, doing stuff, keeping busy. I am one of the few guys actually putting myself in places where women have even a remote chance of approaching if they wanted to, but nothing. So really, they have no right to complain 😂
Fact is, most single guys I speak to have stopped talking to women they don't know, they keep their heads down and avoid looking at them. Why? Because they are scared to be called a creep. I'm not afraid of that. I'll confidently sit with my head high, shoulders back, and look around. I don't look for eye contact or to see/meet women, but I also would never shy from it. However, this has put me in more situations to be called a creep than I dare to count. Especially if I'm wearing shades. I think women have grown so used to guys never looking at them that if they see a guy with his head up, they assume he's looking at them. I wasn't, and don't. Glance at most and look away, focusing on something else.
The instances where I was reading my book, my eyes never even left the page before I realised women had moved into the table across from me and were talking about a guy sitting alone reading a book must live a sad life... So yeah, excuse me for wondering where a man in his 30's is meant to find his significant other in this day and age. Or even just make new friends to go do cool stuff with rather than always on my tod.
But fact is, I am well and truly baffled haha
IDoMeanWell@reddit
Oh bless you. I can see how difficult it's been. I'm sure you're not Tate Brothers-y really, I guess to me speaking about people as "high value" makes me think of cattle auctions 🤣 But I think I get what you mean. I wish I had some good advice for you, but I can only think of advice that will make you roll your eyes (it would me anyway) such as to be patient, or when you stop looking you'll find someone (as you won't be putting too much pressure on yourself or others)... Or try looking for someone with today different interests but a similar outlook on life (dunno where!)... Anyway, good luck!
KalateralDramage@reddit
Woman in my 40s here. I love my own company and assume other people do the same. Therefore, anyone doing any activity on their own wouldn’t even register with me!
aqka_01@reddit
I wouldn’t think much into it, I’m 24 finished uni and moved out of both my hometown and uni town so barely know anyone in the city.
I am in a relationship she’s also in a similar situation to me however we are both pretty content with spending time by ourselves so going on walks or into a pub/cafe by myself here and there. If I do see someone who is sitting alone I barely think about it but if he’s got something I recognise or think is cool I’d comment on it and talk about it for a wee bit then bounce.
What a lot of people don’t realise is being by ourselves is a choice not something forced upon ourselves, I’ve grown to dislike being out with friends often as I just have so much more responsibilities than I used to and can barely hold it all together nvm going out once or twice a week.
My usual outing is going to a big park near me having a drink there then walk back all happy and with a much clearer mind.
Ok_Row_4920@reddit
It seems like a huge amount of people are very weird now and you're not one of the weird ones. I think social media has really fucked up a lot of people and I'm not liking what I'm seeing in society lately.
StrangeRun5537@reddit
This.
I stopped going on nights out because of it. Well, that and the smoking ban and price of drinks these days.
It's like people started becoming less fun, and it started to feel like taking pictures of ourselves pretending to have fun.
retroredrobin@reddit
Looks like we got ourselves a reader....
StrangeRun5537@reddit
What's he readin' for?
Responsible-Drive627@reddit
I'll talk to anyone maybe ask if he's okay
bangkokali@reddit
OK , I did spend a lot of my time in my 30's by myself and yes I can confirm that your experience is not unique . I got a few weird looks and comments sitting by myself sometimes, or even going to the park. So I feel you.
The one thing I would say is , particularly like nature , get or borrow a dog .You could even do dog walking for your neighbours . As a general rule of thumb , man walking by himself , dodgy , man walking by himself with a dog , not dodgy !
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Why is it deemed to be dodgy for someone to be on their own though? I'm curious as I honestly think nothing of it or even think positive of someone comfortable enough to hang out alone... I find this mentality just so very odd and off putting lol
I also don't know anyone with a dog 😒 And I could never own one as I'm out more than I'm in the house
bangkokali@reddit
Pity about a dog , they tend to be the solution for most things 😄
Sorry about not being clear , if I am on a 5 mile walk in a reasonably remote area I am naturally suspicous of meeting a stranger , but if they have a dog Or they are obviously hiking ,with proper gear then at least I know they have a reason to be there .Dont forget what I am referring to is only at first glance , after you talk to someone everything changes
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
So a man has no reason to be out in public alone unless he’s walking a dog?
bangkokali@reddit
No , I specifically meant only when you are walking around remote areas and you are not obviously a dog walker or a hiker
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
So a single man can’t go for a walk on his own?
weesiwel@reddit
No single men aren't allowed to do anything. They aren't supposed to live. Society has made that very clear.
NorthCountryLass@reddit
If you are a sensitive person, and it sounds like you are, you need to realise that 90% of people are much less sensitive than you. Once you realise that, you can: (a) seek out similarly sensitive people; and (b) be less worried about how others will react to you. I used to be so careful not to upset people and now I realise that most would have barely noticed things I said that I worried might offend them. Some people literally have thick skins and behave toward others as if they are the same.
NorthCountryLass@reddit
I wouldn’t judge a guy in his own in the same way I wouldn’t judge a woman on her own. Having a book is a great idea: you can read it when you want to and it gives people a way in to talk to you. I know a guy who always carried a book that both men and women would like. Women often asked him about it and he easily got talking. I think you are just mixing with the wrong crowds sometimes. It does take a while for strangers to get talking to and accept someone they don’t know. This is why it is best to find a good place, with the kinds of people you’d like to get to know, and hang out there regularly. Gradually, you will become that ‘familiar face’ and people will open up more. Take a book or something - a ‘prop’ that others can ask about. Best to go places where they share similar hobbies to you. I know if is very hard to get to know people from scratch. It does not happen quickly unless you are very outgoing and easy to talk to. Get chatting to bar staff, if they have time. Maybe go to folk music events, the people are friendly and with time you will be accepted and become part of a huge network of folkies
throwra_notrad@reddit
I genuinely couldn’t give a shit and I think nothing at all.
Birdy8588@reddit
Well I (37f if it matters) couldn't care less about seeing a man on his own. The most you'd get from me is a smile (I smile at everyone who meets my eyes) and me trying to see what book you're reading because I love to read and it's just a thing I do to everyone.
I can't understand why anyone would look down on someone for being on their own, particularly in a coffee shop. I think that's weird tbh.
LadyNajaGirl@reddit
As someone who also goes for coffee / reads / travels alone, I don’t care. You’re in your world, I’m in mine. If you’re kind, that’s what matters.
AssumptionBudget279@reddit
People who do that are idiots. I’m a women but almost 30 and I go to places by myself a lot, because I enjoy it. Most people just ignore me which I am fine with.
If I see someone older by themselves I just do not care at all.
velvetinchainz@reddit
OP have you ever considered that you may have an anxiety disorder? I suffer with it and it causes me to convince myself people are talking or laughing about me or staring constantly when in reality that’s not the case.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Definitely not....
Unless I am imagining people speaking to me directly as well as indirectly to their friends loud enough so I can hear?... C'mon.
As I said, I don't care what others think of me. If I did, I wouldn't continue to go out and do my own thing lol I posted this in intrigued of just how many people think this way, and I have had some responses stating they think a man on his own is a creep, a danger to them or kids, a weirdo etc. So people who think this way certainly do exist!
I have had women shout at me, calling me a creep or, one specific one I remember was two lassies at the Kelpies shouting "away home ya pervy weirdo cunt and stop creepin on women walkin by" because I was sitting on a bench staring off into the distance and they thought I was looking at them 🙄 I had direct communication with a woman and her man who were calling me all sorts in Glasgow because I stopped and talked science with an American Mormon churcher lol And the women in Starbucks? Pointing my way with her thumb and asking the table "when was the last time any of you read a book", they all looked at me and laughed... Didn't stop there, they started talking about how "sad" you must be to be sat in a cafe on your own with a book on a Saturday. "Recluse with nae pals", "must be a hoot to talk tae" and so forth. And the said these things plenty loud enough for not just me but others to hear as well. To the point an elderly woman asked if I wanted to sit with her and her husband, which was lovely of them, but I said no thanks and continued doing me. They group of immature women left some 10/15mins later anyway.
I posted not because I'm sad or these people get to me, but to understand just how widespread this mentality actually is... As I have had a fair few encounters the past two years like or similar to this. My mates all think its weird to go out and do things on your own as well, especially read in a cafe lol When I ask them what I'm meant to do they say "get a burd and stop being sad" or "read in the house"...
And to top it off, given I have heard so many women directly or indirectly say a man on his own puts them on alert, I tend not to look a woman's way anymore if I can help it. Head down and just ignore everyone, even if the woman next to me could potentially be 'the one'. I used to enjoy going out and chatting to random people, I met one of my exes through a guy I got chatting to at a bar when I was there myself after my mate had to call it an early night. But today, today it seems no one has any real social skills and if you approach a woman, especially on your own, you're immediately labeled as a creep. Didn't use to be the case, I'm sure.
If I had anxiety I also wouldn't have approached over 200 hundred women in the space of 2 days in Edinburgh and Glasgow 😂 Dw, it was a social experiment I had planned with my mate and also an attempt at finding me a date lol Even then, I'd say between 10 and 20% of the women I intended to approach met me with hostility, name calling etc. Simply for giving them a smile, saying "hi" and opening my posture up to them as if I wanted to chat to them. Most would engage normally, but those who didn't were usually verbally aggressive. Yet, of all the women I spoke to, not one gave me her number, I didn't get a single same-day date, and, when asked at the end of our conversation, the overwhelming majority of them said they hate men looking at them and hope and prey they don't get approached when out shopping, at the gym, in a park enjoying the sun, at a gig, etc. Basically listing off so many places NOT to approach them, that it left nowhere to talk to women in real life 😂
So I'm looking to find out why. Why do people, especially women, feel like this? Is it a leftover symptoms of Covid? Is it the result of many reported SA cases on the news? How far does this mentality spread? Is it just a Scotland thing, does it span further than that or is it isolated mostly to the central belt? And so forth...
Because
So yeah, there's a bit of background for you. Certainly no anxiety, although it may read like that to some. I am simply looking to understand WHY and WHERE people think this way.
velvetinchainz@reddit
I’m not gonna lie, sounds as if you need to do some serious soul searching. If multiple women are calling you “pervert” or “creep” it most likely is because you might be acting in a way that is unusual or uncomfortable. However, I could be wrong as I don’t know you ofc, and maybe you genuinely just have bad luck.
GunstarHeroine@reddit
As a woman, I would find a man alone with a book far more favourable or approachable than a bunch of men in a group. But then I also enjoy going to cafes and reading alone as well.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Today was a bit different. Never been to 1912 in Bathgate on my own. But I sat in for a while after a nice walk. Shared a glance and smile with a woman I met at the till/bar the proceeded to sit on the opposite side of the place from her. Didn't realise she was also there herself. She just sat with her drink and stared out the window as far as I could tell. I wasn't staring at her but thats all she was doing whenever I glanced her way, every 10 mins or so 😂
I was sat near the door, reading. She came over and said she'd like to know the science behind it too (book is "Psychology of Stupidity") haha I said I had literally just started but interested to find out myself, obviously and I'll let her know next time I see her. She just smiled and left.
But this was a nice interaction. I don't think she was interested in me, but she was nice. Which seems to be the theme with women here 😂 the good ones aren't interested in anything romantic, the ones who are are walking red flags and the rest are just ignorant and rude. Typical lol
But I must say, she was a very good looking woman with zero shame and didn't feel vulnerable or unsecure just chilling on her own from what I could tell. I respect that. And I'd certainly appreciate a woman like that! But it is rare to find in woman around my age, it seems
Valuable_K@reddit
Where in Glasgow and Edinburgh has this happened? I'd love to know specific locations, because it seems mental to me. Never experienced anything like this in my life, ever. It doesn't make sense to me, unless you're talking about teenagers or something.
StrangeRun5537@reddit
Maybe OP isn't giving us the full picture.
Does he also look like Will from The Inbetweeners?
FutureCouple1089@reddit
Yeah, I’d like to know this too. Seems crazy to me, I can’t quite believe anyone in Glasgow or Edinburgh would act like that…
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Most recent with the group of women at all table next to me was upstairs in Starbucks Edinburgh.
They were loud enough for an elderly woman to come ask if I wanted to sit with her and her husband, bless her. But I said no thanks and continued reading away. That whole interaction enticed sniggers and giggles from the women at that table as well. Probably, in their heads, further cementing the fact I'm a recluse or something lol
But yeah, interactions like this have happened to me in Glasgow as well. Actually, main Street just outside Hard Rock Cafe when it was there! Psycho woman and her man were giving me dogs abuse for being on my tod and talking to 'random' people. I stopped to talk to a Mormon churcher and got chatting about science... I'm a geek, sue me 😂 But apparently that whole interaction was offensive to this woman who, btw, looked rather put together and didn't seem drunk or high! But she walked beside me as I tried to walk away and was asking why I was such a weirdo and so forth, all while her man was shouting abuse at me from where they were sitting... I popped my headphones in and kept walking 😂
However, most of my negative interactions have happened in and around West Lothian, I will admit. And I know Bathgate as a whole is notoriously bad for bullying and verbal/physical abuse on strangers. So I guess it should be expected around here.
Mirandita13@reddit
I find very hard to believe that people would mock someone for reading… or that being alone at a given point make people comment out loud that OP mustn’t have any friends
Spiritual_Bend_8528@reddit
I find it very hard to believe you believe people wouldn't mock someone for reading. Did you go to a comprehensive?? I used to have to hide that I enjoyed reading and learning. The same people who mock others for it grow up and either mature... or don't..
Pet_of_Nutkicker@reddit
I’ve witnessed this myself to be fair. It’s more common for women and girls to do it but I have seen men and boys do it too.
I live in Southampton and people are just arseholes here.
StrangeRun5537@reddit
They probably do, but who cares.
It never used to be this way, about 15 years ago you could just rock up somewhere on your own, have a drink and a laugh with randoms then you'd generally end up with a few new pals on FB by the end of the night.
We haven't changed and become weird, society has.
Appropriate_Dirt_285@reddit
I wouldn't give a toss, I do the same thing and when I go to gigs alone I make some buddies along the way!
Some of my best experiences have been when I've just gone, eff it and went off on my own.
TheWishDragon@reddit
I don't think of anything tbh. Most people are too wrapped up in their own lives and thoughts that they don't pay attention unless you dress or act in an eye-catching way.
Drewski811@reddit
Absolutely nothing. Couldn't give a monkey's solidarity toss.
smay1989@reddit
Lets be honest there are tonnes of single people out there and if you go to any busy place id say the vast majority of people are on their own doing there own thing (unless its obviously a family focused event etc) who gives a shit
Lukeyboy5@reddit
I too stand with the monkeys.
Aggravating_Sink_655@reddit
I too will toss myself off in solidarity with the monkeys
LittleDiveBar@reddit
Please, no tossing monkeys
DPaignall@reddit
Well, he'd eaten all me fags, man, you know, it was a big packet of 200 duty-frees, like.
Appropriate-Wasabi94@reddit
Michael!!!
EducationalHandle182@reddit
Im a woman and if I went to the club alone id also get the same unfortunately. People dont really socialise outside of the people they came with nowadays so its extra difficult
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Yeah, no kidding...
Even doing hiking and bouldering I found people sticking to their own wee friend groups. I did a full 4hr hike without speaking to anyone... No attempt to pull me in on their conversations even though I was very clearly there by myself. And the men and women DO NOT mix! Haha If they didn't arrive together, they won't talk to each other. Its mad.
And people wonder why so many folk are single these days 🤨🤔
EducationalHandle182@reddit
I wonder if i might have made a mistake with someone recently actually. A coworker of mine happened to get the same bus as me and we were chatting but when it was time to get on the bus I sat right at the front because I usually do and idk if I should have sat near him since we were chatting. He seemed a cool coworker but it prob came across like I didn't like to talk. I am kinda quiet and keep to myself though honestly in general but I want to make some friends and talk to people tbh
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Oh... Yeah, if I were him and didn't know that was your 'routine', I'd think you're just straight up not interested in talking to me and take it as a hint to F-off 😂
I think everyone is secretly open and wanting to make friends but then, when it comes to it, get very defensive and assume the worst in people...
I'd love to make friends I could actually go do stuff with instead of always being on my own, even though I love my own space and company!
I also wouldn't complain if I found a significant other who'd be open to going to do these things with me, too.
EducationalHandle182@reddit
ah i see, i totally did make an error there then.
Same i'd like to have some friends to do stuff with people and go places. ITs kinda sad but I havent made any friends where I live since I moved and its been like 9 years but it could be since I am too closed off sometimes but I am scared to allow myself to be open to people because its a bit dangerous
Ok-Decision403@reddit
I've never, ever encountered this. I eat out alone, go to the theatre alone, read books in public alone... When I was younger, I even went clubbing alone.
I'm sorry you've encountered this - try to remember it says far more about the people commenting than it does about you. A lot of people are very insecure, and couldn't imagine enjoying time on their own - that's their problem, not yours!
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Thank you. Yeah, it just baffles me but also intrigues me as to why people do think this way...
Also, it'd be extremely ironic if it happened today as I'm reading 'The Psychology of Stupidity' by Jean-Francois Marmion 😂
Ok-Decision403@reddit
Please update if you have any comments 🤣
hublybublgum@reddit
Behold the field where I grow my fucks, and see that it is barren.
Educational-Angle717@reddit
This is on you. Nothing going on.
Interesting-Sky-7014@reddit
This is a brag post. You know it’s highly affordable
simmyawardwinner@reddit
i think there’s a difference between thinking someone is a “loser” for being out on their own and not wanting to be approached by a random guy
i personally don’t even notice other people when im out and about because im either enjoying what im doing or just with a friend or something. but if a random guy approached me in a gym (as u use this example) i would not want to talk to them because its my private space for me to exercise for my mental health and i dont want random men coming up to me trying to socialise
End6509@reddit
I think you're massively over think it dude, really cannot imagine adults mocking you for reading a book, most would give a monkeys about you anyway, I'm often on my own, maybe people speak about me but seriously don't it, join a library, you can read the in peace and they also organise things where you can socialise on various things.
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AnvilHoarder1920@reddit
god i fucking hate jannies
AnvilHoarder1920@reddit
i don't bat an eye, but when it's me, i bat several eyes
Banyuwangi63@reddit
People who mock you for reading a book are actually mocking you for having the ability to read. They're not worth your time. The rest? Don't worry about it. Overthinking can lead you down a slippery slope of 'victim mentality.' Join a club/hobby of like minded people and shed the skin you're in.
jim_jiminy@reddit
I live in hove. I’m often out and about on my own. Also with a book. I’m in my 40’s. I’ve never once got any negative comments or heard any negative comments in relation to me being on my own.
FrankieSuvksPlums@reddit
I live in Glasgow and work in Edinburgh. Almost every day I’m on my own in cafes, restaurants, coffee shops, going for a walk - not one time have I experienced what you have described. You’re either going to shit places or it’s all in your head.
thelastlightinspace@reddit
Nothing. Is that what normal people do? Speculate what people do when theyre out on their ones? Christ you must have a boring life to think like that.
Fabulous-Ganache-138@reddit
Im Scottish, love going solo holidays, just cutting about cities yersel, gettin a few pints. Nobody cares I think you should stop caring what people think.
Feisty-Cod-1661@reddit
Spend less time thinking about what people think!! You’ll be dead soon enough!!!
Proof-Dog9835@reddit
It's not a Scotland thing, it's a small town thing
Still-Preference5464@reddit
I don’t think anything. I probably wouldn’t even notice. I see people of all ages out alone very often.
TattieMafia@reddit
I wouldn't notice but I like to go places on my own too, so maybe I'm biased. I'm from Inverness, I don't think people would even notice here. I've been told we're quite a friendly city though. I didn't really make friends with people in Edinburgh and Glasgow beyond a "Hello" or a "Good tunes!" when I went down with friends either. I think big cities are slightly less friendly as there are a higher number of weirdos in big cities. I kept weirding people out when I went to London by speaking to them on the tube. I just wanted to know if I was going in the right direction but they hated it. I weirded people out on the train in Tokyo just by waving at my sister.
MrRWhitworth@reddit
I’m 42 next weekend and I’m always hanging out alone. Always.
WinkyNurdo@reddit
I often go to the pub on my own. Quite happy to sit there and read with a pint. I get talking to the bar staff sometimes. Sometimes someone sits next to you and strikes up a conversation. Sometimes they don’t. Who cares? Over the years I’ve met loads of randoms and some have evolved into quite memorable evenings and nights, especially when I was living in London. You do you mate, who gives a stuff what anyone else thinks.
Sushiv_@reddit
Ngl it does come off as kind of sad when people go to cafes by themselves, or read at restaurants. It does also come off as creepy if you talk to random people
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Why though!?
So I should just sit in the house by myself because I don't have anyone to do stuff with? I love a coffee and chilling with a book. Sure, I could do it at home, but I also love walks. Maybe I'll go for a walk before or after the cafe... Why is that creepy!?
Sushiv_@reddit
That’s just how people are, sadly (at least for the judging people for sitting alone). As for talking to people, a lot of people dont want to interact with strangers when they go places, and kind of find it uncomfortable (especially women if they’re being talked to by men). If you want to find people to talk to, go to clubs/events where it’s socially acceptable.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Rather sad it has come to this...
I have also done clubs and events but people rock up in little friend groups and don't socialise outside of them. I did a 4hr hike in silence, listening to other groups have conversations because no one wanted to talk to me as I was on my own.
The men and women also didn't mix unless they arrived together. I feel dating and opportunity for meeting people naturally here is just dead.
Sushiv_@reddit
Your issue seems to be loneliness, and honestly i do think you just need to put yourself out there on dating apps instead of crying about it on reddit. Clearly you want to socialise with people, and dating apps/events specifically for meeting new people are probably your best option if you want to meet someone.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Dating apps absolutely don't work. With 78% users being men, women are 28% more likely to get a match. So odds are drastically against you.
I also read somewhere that usually by the time a guy has seen and 'liked' a woman, she's had around 5 dates avg before she sees and matches with him and has even more lined up. So she'll be in a relationship and won't talk to him by the time they match, usually.
But yeah, social event things I have gone to have still had people go in groups of 2 or 3 and just stick to talking to each other. Rather than mingling and I'm not one to push it so just ended up rocking solo.
I just wonder why it became so difficult to socialise when it was so easy last time I was single...
I'm also not specifically looking for a date, but wouldn't complain if I found my better half. But even just chatting to guys and making friends seems damn near impossible these days. Its bonkers
jasonbirder@reddit
What the holy f*ck???
I'm away overnight for work (meeting in say Cardiff, Glasgow, Newcastle, Bristol etc...
What the hell am i supposed to do for food? Go hungry? Eat a sh*tty takeaway in my hotel room and stink it up for the night?
Or go to a nice restaurant, order a meal, a drink or two, and read my book while i'm waiting to be served...Especially as work will be paying for my food & drinks...
Can't understand the mentality of some mouth-breather that thinks that's "sad" or "creepy"
Sushiv_@reddit
You can say whatever, but that is a very common opinion held by a lot of people, including the people mentioned by OP. Just because you don’t find it strange (personally i would never do it but dont care if i see other people doing it) doesn’t mean that it’s not something commonly seen as weird
jasonbirder@reddit
What??? You genuinely believe the hundreds of thousands of people who each week have to overnight...for work no less...in cities up and down the land simply shouldn't be allowed to have anything to eat because you think its weird...you expect them as they shut down the laptop for the day, simply to go away and hibernate out of sight someone till 9am the next day so they don't offend you?
Sushiv_@reddit
Yes :)
slinkimalinki@reddit
I see a guy reading on his own, I'm sneaking a look at what he's reading I'm wondering if it's interesting and whether it would be appropriate to ask him if it's a good book...
First day I ever went on with my husband he told me about a really funny book he was reading and that of course led to me reading it and getting into the same author as him...
I think a lot of women are uncomfortable with groups of guys whereas a guy on his own would seem less intimidating and more approachable. I have honestly never judged anyone for being on their own, that simply wouldn't occur to me. It's great to spend time with friends and sometimes it's great to do your own thing and get the exact experience you want!
I'm sorry people have been horrible to you but don't freak you out or make you overthink doing something as normal as reading a book in a café. The people who are going to be your people will see you as a kindred spirit!
mpsamuels@reddit
As a man who spent a lot of time going out alone in my late 20s - mid 30s as I worked away from home a lot, I'd think nothing of seeing someone out alone and I've never experienced any negativity for doing so myself either.
I'd often go to a pub or restaurant alone as it beat eating in the hotel bar every night. Sometimes I'd take a book, sometimes I'd find a pub showing some football to watch. I've been to gigs, theatre, football matches and other stuff alone too if it interested me and gave me something to do for an evening. Sometimes I met people who wanted to chat, other times I'd just keep myself to myself.
As long as you're not actually being a creep, anyone who wants to think it creepy to be out on your own isn't the sort of person who's opinion I'd be too concerned by or want to talk to anyway. Screw that sort of negativity.
RedPlasticDog@reddit
Not sure it would even register.
But they yesterday I was sat in a pub beer garden reading a book with a pint.
I guess a bunch of folks would have something to say about that too.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
No doubt bud. No doubt.
Who cares really. I'm more so annoyed at the fact it just hinders the natural way of chatting to women in person. I find myself seeing an attractive woman and immediately pulling myself away from even considering talking to her if I'm alone. I think she'll just find it creepy or weird that I'm on my tod, so I just don't bother. Especially after experiences I have had and things I have overheard being said about me and other guys sitting or chilling on their own.
jasonbirder@reddit
Mate, i'm slightly older now...but did the same when i was in my 30s too...regularly out on my own 'cos i'm away in different cities for work...adn will always go out for a meal and/or a drink
Never noticed anybody taking the slightest bit of notice...
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Times are perhaps changing with more influences from social media, etc?
jasonbirder@reddit
No, i meant I do it now too (and nobody notices) but if thats an age thing I did it 10-12 years ago to (when I was the same age as the OP) and no-one noticed then either.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Ah, I see. I think I'm at a point in life where people think I'm a good bit younger than I am. So seeing me in a cafe reading a book might seem odd vs someone visibly that bit older? Who knows...
I'm 34 but often get mistaken for being 10 years younger... Also spent a full night in Newcastle in October getting hit on by 18 and 19 year old girls 🫣 Got to the point I started asking their age before we started chatting 😂 And they were clearly shocked when I said I was just a year or two from being old enough to be their dad 😐
So maybe its just the point in life I find myself at. Women who find me attractive are far too young and women my age think I'm younger than them and so would never entertain talking to me in general?
Maybe I should go for a very tough paper round and add some visual years on 😂
MrDibbsey@reddit
I think he's clearly mentally deficient and not fit for normal society
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
What do you mean? Mentally deficient because he's reading a book? Surely if anyone is mentally deficient, it's you? Lol
SnarkyFool@reddit
Going to a club in your 30s, alone, is a bit odd.
The rest of it is cool. I see people in many countries, including the UK, chilling in a coffeeshop or cafe reading physical media. Not weird in the slightest.
I also see solo hikers all the time. There's a limit to how far backcountry you should go solo, but it sounds like these are more urban and populated trails. No issue at all.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Most people in the club were my age or older. So I didn't think it was that odd. One woman even looked at me and said she was old enough to be my mum while I walked by her to join the queue. Sure enough, she told the bouncer her age, 49... It was dark, but she didn't look it haha But I immediately thought great, this isnt weird at all cause others my age and older like house music too! And it was a live DJ playing his original stuff, so people were coming out just to see him.
But even still, the vibe inside the place was very off, I must admit, and I left early... Plus, it was right next door to my hotel. I was there for my bday and meant to meet friends who had to cancel last minute btw. So I figured, why let that phase me? I'll go do what I would have done with them, on my own! I don't think its weird at all, but there you go...
sjplep@reddit
That was me 20 years ago.
I am happy the way I am now (married), but I was also happy the way I was then. Both conditions have their pros and cons. Happily single is a good way to be if that's your thing.
Realistic-Mango-1020@reddit
Going to a club alone is rather strange I will admit but the rest is pretty normal and I wouldn’t think twice if I saw a man doing any of those things alone. I started going to places alone too (even restaurants and the theatre) because I was tired of putting my life on hold because I couldn’t find others to join me.
Maybe the people mocking you for reading are just jealous because they can’t read 🤷♀️
re_Claire@reddit
I live in London where it's super common to just do things on your own. No one notices or cares. Honestly people do all sorts of far weirder stuff here and no one even pays much attention to them. They absolutely aren't going to give a shit if you're having a nice day out by yourself.
I honestly don't think people elsewhere care either. I don't think people even notice!
One-Dragonfruit5649@reddit
Too many creeps and creepy encounters for women (here and irl) so they look at solo guys as that. It's also a UK thing. I find that in the US strangers stir up conversation all the time (e.g. at starbucks queue, in the museum, busy restaurant etc etc). which for me is always a culture shock as I never get the same in the UK.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I would so fit in in the US... 😒 I love talking to strangers and just listening to the random bits of knowledge and experience they are willing to share. Its so rare though.
Have you had creepy encounters with guys here?
One-Dragonfruit5649@reddit
Guy here myself. Lol. I was just trying to give a woman's perspective as I talked a lot about this topic with my cousin. She had a lot of bad experiences. We also both been to the US many times and found it fascinating how different it felt there for both of us.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Ahh, my bad! Haha
But yeah, the US obviously has its flaws. But it does sound like a veey socially positive place. Very much the type of place I would thrive where people aren't judged for doing stuff alone, but are also welcome to chat to strangers...
I deffo need to visit at least once.
Aggravating_Sink_655@reddit
Nonce
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Nonce? Why?
Aggravating_Sink_655@reddit
Funny
thespiceismight@reddit
Seriously? Never in 40 years have I heard anyone say anything. Reading in cages, gigs, walks, aquariums; theatre.. not one dirty look nor overheard word spoken. I say this in the best way - are you sure you’re not imagining it?!
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Definitely not, unfortunately. I'd rather I was imagining it! Lol
Nah I have overheard conversations and even been met with direct hostile and aggressive comments for just, being.
I was chilling at the kelpies on a bench enjoying the sun and girls walking by shouted abuse at me. I didn't even look at them.
I had a woman in Glasgow ridicule and attempt to humiliate me for being on my tod. I was stopped by those Americsn Mormon churchers and wound up having a whole conversation about science. Wound up blowing their minds and this woman who heard the entire conversation got up off the bench she was sat on with her friends and man, and began giving me shit for being alone and talking to people like a "fucking weirdo cunt"... Her words, no mine. But her man and pals were even shouting at me as I continued to walk away and put my headphones in o drown out their noise...
Like, experiences like this have happened throughout my life. People generally seem to find a guy on his own who is comfortable in himself and talking to other people very edgy and suspicious. At least, that has been my experience.
But that one in Starbucks with the group of women at the table I mentioned was the most recent and happened just a couple weeks ago. Talking loud enough in a way it seemed they WANTED me to hear them. Pointing my way and laughing. Calling me sad, pathetic etc. Loud and clear.
Definitely not in my head, unfortunately.
But even friends of mine will call me a weirdo for doing things on my own...
thespiceismight@reddit
It’s like I’ve entered some bizarre alternate universe. Well I’m sorry to hear that but I’ve never heard the like. I love doing things on my own, and sure sometimes I feel somewhat self conscious but I’ve never had an actual reason to feel so. Truly sorry to hear all that, mainly for you but also how sad must someone’s life be to go out of their way to insult a stranger?
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Yeah, well, exactly. I don't let people or words get to me but it has made me wonder why so many people think this behavior isn't just acceptable, but should be the norm?
A few comments on here have stated the same. A guy on their own is deemed to be a threat, suspicious, creepy, etc. That they'd be on high alert and steering themselves and their kids clear from me if they saw me just chilling on a bench or reading a book in a cafe...
Have people had such bad experiences truly? Or is this all a result of fabricated bs online, in social media and the easily accessible news that reports on events as if they are happening all the time when they are in fact extremely rare?
I have also had women tell me they think ALL men are violent and would hurt them given half a chance. That isnt even remotely true. Yet, if thats what people genuinely believe, what can you do?
767676670w@reddit
The only time I'll care is if I'm at a park with my children and you're in the kids park on your own. Other than that if you were walking through said park even, I would not give you much thought. As a woman in my 30s I do a good few things on my own. Going with a friend will mean chatter, sometimes I want to enjoy the experience of something in silence.
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
Righ…so all single men are pedophiles who should be banned from public spaces? FFS…
767676670w@reddit
How exactly have you derived that from my comment?
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
From what you wrote
767676670w@reddit
Would you like to try reading it again?
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I got dogs abuse for sitting by myself on a bench at the kelpies last year. Well away from the kids play park I might add!
Two girls in their early to mid 20's were calling me a creep and shouting other profanities as they walked by. I never once looked directly at them, and continued not to look at them...
Admirable_Fail_4594@reddit
I feel this may be a Scottish issue then, as I have travelled solo all over England and never had experiences like this.
TheRealJetlag@reddit
People mock you for reading?
Nothing is impossible but, if true, it says everything about them and nothing about you.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Happened more than once!
peachypeach13610@reddit
I would barely notice it but if I do, I’d have a lot of respect for the person. I am super comfortable in my own company and love to see when others are too.
kittystillbites@reddit
I live in Scotland, and I enjoy people watching. I will notice how people interact with each other, who's on their own and who's not, what people are doing, what they're eating/drinking, I'll try and guess how they're feeling, what they might be thinking. But never in a negative way, just as an observation. I admire people who are comfortable with themselves - most people are not, and they are scared to go out alone and stay home instead, even if they would like to go somewhere. That's not right.
Also, Reddit is just one tiny population of the types of people you meet. Some will judge. Some will question. Most of these people would never use Reddit to contribute to this conversation. In my opinion, it's a lot more related to their own insecurities, and these people will always exist - they also likely never do anything alone, and that makes them miss a bunch of fun things, or they end up doing everything someone else wants to do.
-TheHumorousOne-@reddit
I'm in my 30s. Whist I love my family which includes my young children. If you see me eating alone in my car, people may pity me. In reality I've put some music on and absolutely enjoying the peace of having a meal on my own.
SameGrocery1516@reddit
loser
Internal-Hand-4705@reddit
I don’t think anything unless someone was acting particularly strangely (like if they were obviously perving or something I’d judge them). Wouldn’t go out of my way to speak to you, equally wouldn’t go out of my way to avoid you
Leo_Estrella@reddit
I live in London and grew up in south east England. Don’t know if it’s different in Scotland but I’ve never been looked at twice for hanging out on my own
ThinkLadder1417@reddit
You're not looked at twice in London for wearing your clothes inside out and your underwear on your head
My favourite thing about big cities is being invisible
macandcheesefan45@reddit
Remember that chap who had burns on his face and no one noticed - he was in a Tesco in London!
caiaphas8@reddit
The fact you are pointing this out kinda proves he was noticed
macandcheesefan45@reddit
By a CCTV camera!!
caiaphas8@reddit
Okay? But presumably someone noticed on the CCTV footage and uploaded it so that other people can notice too
macandcheesefan45@reddit
Well done, you are technically correct on the internet. Have a lollipop.
FutureCouple1089@reddit
It’s not different in Scotland. Never reacted to anyone being on their own like this, and never had this reaction either. Don’t know where OP has been going to read a book, but it doesn’t sound like the patrons are the sort of people you’d want to hang out with anyway…
Johnny_Vernacular@reddit
Nothing. I think nothing.
Pet_of_Nutkicker@reddit
Are you Johnny English?
KumSnatcher@reddit
As a Scot who grew up near and around Glasgow it's a Scottish thing/Scottish women thing. There's a stereotype Scots are friendly and welcoming but it's all an act for the most part. Generally very two faced culture that loves to tear people down and Scottish women in particular can be quite horrible if it's someone they feel it's acceptable to be horrible too.
Before I get aggro, I have nothing against Scots or Scotland's but that's just how it is, it's culture which encourages conformity for better or worse
carreg-hollt@reddit
You're in your 30's so presumably want to date women in their 30's. From experience when solo hiking, UK women of that age regard every male with extreme suspicion, bordering on enmity. Men don't, and women of any other age don't. Others have mentioned it to me without any prompting so I assume it's universal. You may just have to wait until you're a little older and they have had time to grow up...
Sitting alone in a pub, caff or restaurant with a book is something I find to be very pleasant and I don't give half a shit about how others perceive that.
What other people think of me is none of my business.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Unfortunately, I'd like to have another shot at having a family etc. So waiting for women to be 40 or older is not an option.
If I'm still single when I hit 40, I would safely say that's how I'll be living the rest of my life. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
carreg-hollt@reddit
I'm old enough that starting another family has ceased to be a concern. I'm thinking that as you're comfortable with public speaking and don't encounter problems when socialising in places like the gym, that the problem is not at all with you and perhaps you're simply looking in the wrong places.
An analogy might be a business striving for inclusivity, that finds the only capable applicants are cis-het white males 40+. The employer knows that other parts of society should also produce sutable candidates, so why aren't they applying for the post? Obviously, the employer is advertising in the wrong places and inadvertently limiting the range of applicants.
It's an old chestnut but you might try clubs other than the night-club type. You walk so there's a big opening. You read so your preferred genre should open another. Mixed-gender group activities with them may be a good place to start.
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
“cis-het white males” 🙄
carreg-hollt@reddit
Yup my eyes roll too, but take a look at any board room and tell me why the population inside that room conforms so closely.
Dutch_Slim@reddit
This is a really considered response. Literally fishing in the wrong pools.
Another thing I’d add is expectation. I’m female, 43 with a partner and kids. The thing that would make me hesitant to strike up a conversation with a solo male is the potential expectation that I’m looking for more than company/friendship. That’s a “me” problem, but I do wonder if it comes into play here…
Sun_Chaser_365@reddit
I wouldn’t think anything at all. Lots of people are single, at all ages and either sex. Or you could be in a couple but your partner is elsewhere. It just wouldn’t occur to me to wonder about it.
sowmyhelix@reddit
It's probably the beers you are having that's causing this. The next time around buy yourself a cuppa and you will be happy on your own. In case someone comes around to chat, say hi and try some small talk. Things should be okay.
AppearanceAwkward364@reddit
Nobody will notice you or care unless you're in distress or being a nuisance.
Everybody else is in their own world doing their own thing as well.
nasted@reddit
You say you don’t care and yet you wrote seven paragraphs about it on a subreddit.
Starting up a conversation with a random stranger is not a very British thing to do. But there’s a time and place for it.
If you’re sitting alone reading a book in a nightclub - that’s weird.
If you’re sitting alone reading a book in a coffee shop - that’s not weird.
But you’re even suggesting this judgement is “a woman thing”! There’s the red flag. It’s not them - it’s you.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
The vast majority of negative comments and looks etc. I have ever received for being alone have come from women. That's not a red flag, its a fact. It has been my own reality.
However, yes I don't care what people think, or I wouldn't keep doing stuff on my own. I'm merely curious how far spread this mentality actually is and how common...
Other single guys I speak to would never approach women because they feel this is the attitude they would get and be deemed a creep. I think that's more of an issue. Do you not?
nasted@reddit
Dude. I’m seeing your other responses: You’re talking about drunk women in nightclubs and then judging all women. You’re a total red flag! Who fucking reads in a nightclub? You’re being actively weird and then blaming other people.
Nightclubs are for dancing, drinking and chatting people up.
You wouldn’t go to a library to dance and drink so why are you going to clubs to read?
Go to a coffee shop or sit in the pub and enjoy being on your own. Better still - join a book club and learn healthy social interaction.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I would also go solo far as to say the fact you are not reading things properly and so quick to jump to conclusions says you also have the very same mindset I am talking about in my post.
I find it extremely immature yet, so widely spread. Is at an education issue, social media, what?
nasted@reddit
Now, now, now - you don’t care what other people think. Remember?
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
You can't read.
I never once said the women were drunk or that I was reading in a nightclub lmao
Nightclubs are basically dark. How does one even try to read with all the smoke, loud noise and people everywhere!?
Try reading my post again. From start to finish.
Hopeful_Outcome_6816@reddit
Don't take this the wrong way, but no-one cares as much you seem to think they do.
HaggisHunter93@reddit
Hey man. 32 here. Since I broke up with my GF I’ve been the same.
I used to overthink massively but have now reached a point where I simply do not care what anyone else thinks about me. They can say or think what they like, couldn’t give less of a fuck if I tried. It is liberating. Do your thing and enjoy yourself. P.s try meetup.com, lots of great local groups on there :)
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
What have you done via meetup.com? Any recommendations dude?
HaggisHunter93@reddit
There’s all sorts, whatever floats your boat man. Hiking, book clubs, speed dating (Lol), cinema groups, local walks, board games. Something for everyone. Worth a bash, if it’s not your cup of tea there’s no pressure to go back again.
Take care man, I know the feeling all too well. Don’t feel it’s just you :)
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Appreciate it man. Maybe we'll unknowingly cross paths haha I'll have a look and see what piques my interest! Be good to get out and do things where people are actually wanting to socialise!
Take care too, bud, and all the best!
DazzlingClassic185@reddit
Is it hanging out if you’re on yer tod? Unless you meant something else…😳
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Would you call it chilling then? Or would that mean sticking it in a fridge??
I don't know anymore! 😭😂
DazzlingClassic185@reddit
Cold. 🥶
Reddit____user___@reddit
Your comment about being mocked for reading on your own, immediately made me think of this snippet of Bill Hicks…
https://youtu.be/NivJKUfa7Sw?si=DlQaeqmZO8RQKr12
KatVanWall@reddit
It would be attractive to me (though I’m 45F so not really your ‘target audience’!). I’d feel positive about someone who has the confidence to do what they want, where they want, how they want (whether that means on their own or with others).
In a pub, bar or club I’d probably assume you were waiting for friends, simply because they tend to be places where people go to socialise. In a cafe, I wouldn’t give it a second thought at all - lots of people go alone to cafes for some time to themselves and to read, although equally you could be waiting for someone, but it never even occurs to me to wonder tbh. Similarly if someone is reading on their own in a park, I just assume they want to enjoy the outdoors and some nice weather and maybe don’t have any outside space of their own or not much. It’s actually quite hard to read a phone in bright sunlight, so reading an actual book seems like the most obvious thing to do there once you’ve got fed up of staring into nature lol.
I do most things alone, so I totally get it!
But I also tend to assume people alone want to be left alone, so although I’d exchange a polite word if I was next to you in a queue or on a bench, I’d try not to intrude as well.
nonsequitur__@reddit
Same!
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Appreciate this!
In your experience though, what has been the best way to meet and talk to guys? Like you say, people will see you alone and assume you want to be left alone. I would think the same of a woman on her own and wouldn't want to bother her.
Actually, I probably wouldn't approach a woman just going about her day in general as many women I have spoken to have said they straight up wouldn't like a man, any man, to approach them...
Feels like the dating scene here is as good as dead. And more people have poor social skills than not, which is also sad but may be a leftover symptom of Covid...
KatVanWall@reddit
I’m a really bad person to ask, as I met guys on Fetlife 😂
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Oh... Haha! I don't even know what that is!? 🤣
SarkyMs@reddit
I think there is a guy.
nonsequitur__@reddit
I doubt I would even notice, and if I did, I wouldn’t think anything of it. I am often by myself, more so than not. Most people are too engrossed in what they are doing, thinking or feeling to notice and/or care. There is only once I remember people looking at me oddly, in a nice restaurant alone. In a nightclub I would be more wary of a lone man due to bad personal experiences.
joined_under_duress@reddit
How would I even judge a stranger's age like that? It's actually very difficult to know how old people are beyond roughly "still in school", "fresh out of school", "at least late 40s", "definite OAP".
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Haha! Tbh, I do sometimes find it very difficult to tell ages. Especially women wearing make-up.
But I know those women I saw in Strabucks were around my age and older. One of them had rather deep laughter lines and forehead wrinkles that were clear enough for me to pick up on in just a glance. They were also talking about work and one said something about her husband. So, it sounded like they were work colleagues out for the day in town and bitching about life. And me 😂
Tosk224@reddit
Nothing. I am married and often nip to the pub on my own when my husband is on a later shift. I take a book and enjoy a few pints while I am reading,
boudicas_shield@reddit
Also a married woman and do this too. No one has ever laughed at me for it, at least not where I could hear them. I can’t imagine anyone caring.
Proof_Pick_9279@reddit
Absolutely nothing at all
AdAggressive9224@reddit
That's kinda what makes a man a man, able to be self assured. Chill on your own.
Socialising naturally falls off at that age, just because of the reasons you mentioned.
I do think perhaps the modern world has perhaps led to more men being single at older ages, because of the increase in availability of partners. Also, we've had a prolonged period of peace and the roads are far safer, so, as a proportion there are relatively more men than women as a ratio that there would have been in the past.
Beckygx123@reddit
Nothing. If anything i think there's a guy that's confident being in his own company and doesn't care what people think. Hats off to him
mrchuckbass@reddit
Literally nothing
ForwardTourist6079@reddit
UK/Ireland in general tend to have a consensus that being a loner is somehow weird and strange. Almost like we're meant to be social animals living in each other's pockets all the time and anyone who deviates from said structure is to be frowned upon. Outdated thinking but still common.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Sadly, too common from my experience.
I feel it massively hinders a guy's chance of finding a woman, too. Especially as they are generally quicker to judge and feel uncomfortable. If general consensus is someone sitting alone is weird, that'll automatically make women feel weirded out by you. Which I understand. It's sad. But I do get it...
ForwardTourist6079@reddit
Very true. A man not having a high social media profile and not possessing a large friend circle is seen as a major red flag by many.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Which is pretty sad to me. I dont want people knowing my business. Or stealing my identity!
ForwardTourist6079@reddit
I've even heard of people being labelled "sneaky" or "hiding something" if they don't participate in office parties, Xmas dinners etc or don't furnish their co workers with very granular detail of their private lives. Beyond pathetic.
Agitated_Ad_361@reddit
I give not even one solitary shit about it.
Visual-Blackberry874@reddit
Weirdo. Social reject.
Electric_Death_1349@reddit
Look everyone - we’ve found the Reform voter!
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Why? Does me hanging out alone and enjoying life, and my own company make you feel uncomfortable?
Visual-Blackberry874@reddit
Oh dear, its not a me being uncomfortable thing. It’s a you being a weird, social reject thing.
Like “imagine coming to X to do Y by yourself”.
Now imagine X was a park, swimming pool or anywhere children may be.
You may well be “enjoying life” but any sane parent will perceive you, at least some way, as a potential threat.
HolidayAd7971@reddit
From what you just typed, I think its you that comes across as the weirdo 🤔
Visual-Blackberry874@reddit
Oh no!
Anyway
-captaindiabetes-@reddit
Ironic that this is one of the least sane sounding takes on here
Visual-Blackberry874@reddit
Are you his noncy mate?
Specific-Ad-1926@reddit
Wow so he should just be like you right?😄. We got a real live sociopath here ladies and gentlemen
Visual-Blackberry874@reddit
No. He knows it’s weird, that’s why he’s made the post.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Ffs... I'm a father of a 4yo wee girl. If anything, you sound like the type of person I'd be perceiving as a potential threat...
Visual-Blackberry874@reddit
And?
I’m not the one hanging around places by myself and asking people on the internet to validate me.
Financial-Couple-836@reddit
Now imagine X was the Olympic Games and Y was winning a medal. Turns out that if you change words in a sentence then the meaning of the sentence completely changes too
Little_Tension7548@reddit
I go to coffee shops on my own and read a book all the time. Never noticed a single look. I think you’re imagining things.
Solo in a club can raise eyebrows though as it’s a very social activity.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Well, if I hadn't literally heard people talking about me or even received direct negative comments, I would be grateful if it was just in my head!
As for the club, not something I'd typically do but the club was just next door to my hotel and also had live house music playing. I wanted to see who the DJ was (apparently famous) and just enjoy something a bit different after listening to mostly live rock and indy music all night.
However, I did go out in Newcastle on my own last year and had a vastly different experience. People spoke to me ALL night. Group of guys took me to a club and we all had a great time. Plus, girls approached me the whole night which is absolutely unheard of here!!
Mind you, turned out they were all too young so I had to gently reject 😂
burtvader@reddit
It doesn’t register.
Physical_Orchid3616@reddit
You lost me when you started to flatter yourself. Yeah, you're a weirdo.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Its called providing a bit of background as most people will assume you are ugly, creepy looking or socially inept.
Grow up.
Shannoonuns@reddit
Im only weary of lone men in nightclubs because I've had or seen bad experiences. Like you will see a few men who aren't really interacting with anybody leering at women dancing, one man once kept trying to pull women by the arms away from their friends as they walked past.
Its not really the being alone that bothers me personally, like I wouldn't have cared or even noticed if they weren't leering and grabbing girls. Like if they actually wanted to talk to people and didn't touch people without thier consent it wouldn't have been a problem for me.
I really don't think I'd be bothered by somebody doing anything else alone but that being said some people are just dicks and will critise anything and everything.
WarmIntro@reddit
I generally assume they're enjoying their peace
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I usually am! Until people do something like making sure to talk loud enough so I can hear them make fun of the fact I'm reading in a cafe alone... haha. Thankfully, they left after about 15mins though!
WarmIntro@reddit
Don't know what people's issues are. Sitting in a cafe or a waterside bar alone with a book is a slice of joy that not everyone has the confidence to do. Why read at home when I could be somewhere else
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Precisely!
We rarely get warm days in Scotland so I try to make the most of them! Go sit somewhere close to nature or water, grab an ice coffee, find a bench and read a book. Pure bliss
Adventurous-Rub7636@reddit
Weeeellllll lookie here. Looks like we got ourselves a reader.
Frosty_Term9911@reddit
If your sat in a nightclub reading a book then maybe lol. Otherwise I can’t imagine anyone’s judging someone for reading a book in a pub or cafe or anywhere else for that matter
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
No reading in clubs... Never said this. Why are people reading it as if I said I was trying to read in a nightclub!? Lmao
Is it even possible to read with limited lighting, smoke, noise and people everywhere? 🤨
But yes, I have been mocked in cafes and even while sitting on a bench, nowhere near a kids playback btw!
Frosty_Term9911@reddit
It was a joke
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Oh, well others weren't and genuinely thought I was reading in a club 😂
im-havingaconniption@reddit
I'm in my 40s and long enjoyed going out on my own. Some places I don't do it though, where young (18-21) people go, as I remember seedy old guys hanging round when I was that age at 'young' venues.
AceOfGargoyes17@reddit
I'm in my 30s and regularly hang out by myself. I don't think I'd even register that someone else was specifically hanging out by themselves, they'd just be another person in the café/park/pub/wherever.
ethermoor@reddit
I'm 50, with a large family, busy social life, and "client facing" role and honestly, a hour to myself alone, in a pub garden with a decent book, followed by a long walk, On a Saturday afternoon. Is a real luxury.
I spend all day talking to people. The silence and solitude is f'ing heaven.
Ok. I'm not totally alone.
My Rottweiler is asleep under the table. I find she helps maintain my solitude ;)
Nothing wrong with enjoying your own time alone.
Straight-up-nonsense@reddit
I’m a 27 year old woman from Scotland and honestly see the people making these comments I wouldn’t hang about with them if they were my only option. Know what I think when I see a man on his own having a coffee and reading a book? I think thank goodness he’s not scrolling on his phone how great to see someone reading. It’s likely absolute weirdos who are finding it strange seeing you do things on your own, anyone who thinks it’s weird to read at all is also a weirdo. I think the club thing is maybe a bit different in terms of the fact that when we were younger as girls the men on their own in their 30s used to lean quite heavy on us as freshly 18 year olds in a predatory way, I absolutely don’t think this is what you’re doing at all but due to experience of this SO many times as a younger girl (and every other girl my age I know also having experienced this) I would instantly be watching an man on their own and how they were interacting in a club to see if there were any safe guarding concerns surrounding younger drunk girls. The majority of men on their own coming up to us in bars were looking to pull/engage in some kind of sexual exchange so there is an inherent cultural assumption from a female perspective that if you were trying to strike up convo with a woman alone in a club that that is what you’d be trying to do and we should be wary of you and often our experiences of this are uncomfortable and sometimes lead to really bad situations when younger so we just take some time to trust men in situations like that. Pretty much every woman I know has a story of a lone man in a club groping them, touching them, getting angry at them for not liking them or trying to exploit them when drunk. This is such a prevalent experience for women my age in Scotland that genuinely I would be so on edge if a lone man started talking to me in a club even now. But honestly, just keep doing you, don’t let the haters get to you because you’re enjoying real life and they’re probs too stuck to their phones and false realities to realise what they’re missing out on. Hopefully I’ve given some context to what might be going on from a female perspective but don’t let it put you off being you.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Appreciate your input!
I very rarely find myself in a club or bar. But my most recent experience wasn't one where I was looking to engage with women anyway. But even trying to chat to guys in a bar, it just seemed very off. They'd keep interactions very short and leave the conversation after just a few words. Something I'm not used to from my younger bar and clubbing days!
I do get the whole situation in clubs, and so I am always very cautious whenever I do rarely find myself in one. I would only ever talk to a woman if she made me 100% certain she'd like to talk or dance. Otherwise, I'll avoid and just keep to myself or with my friends.
I will also never stop being me and being comfortable just doing things on my own. I do wish I had a significant other who I could enjoy things with. And the stigma and awkwardness surrounding single solo guys in general does make interacting with women very difficult. So, like many other single guys I speak to on the regular, I will probably be keeping myself to myself and remain single. Or find a gorgeous woman from abroad who is either already here, or is willing to uproot and move here 👀 😂
I have been talking to an awesome American woman, as mentioned in my post. And like many other Americans I have spoken to the past while, she did reckon I'd have major success just being me and doing as I do over there. It just seems like such a huge gulf in terms of culture here vs America. Sounds like you might perhaps be one of the rare Scottish women who actually appreciates and understands these things.
Keep being you and don't let immature women befriend you and pull you down to their level of mocking complete strangers...
Straight-up-nonsense@reddit
I totally get you and even though I’m married I actually choose to do things a lot of my own like going to restaurants and cafes etc and regularly strike up convos with people (im a nurse so chatting to people is my bread and butter!) and have a great circle of weirdos around me who I’m proud to call my people who I would be appalled at if I ever thought they were ridiculing someone alone. Some people sadly just haven’t grown up and I too find the culture quite negative in Scotland, I was always mocked for things growing up that would have been considered quite cool in places like the US like excelling in the arts and being a straight A student. There seems to be a culture of anyone that’s good at anything or confident has ideas above the station. Hopefully you find people on your wavelength because we are certainly out there! Also, next time you over hear a group of people loudly talking about you reading I would 100% have walked out saying “how gross to think a lack of intelligence is a redeeming quality” whilst walking past them! Fight fire with fire I love to see people squirm!😂
LeivTunc@reddit
Are you naked?
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Might as well be! Haha Maybe I'd get better reactions...
Actually... Probably not 😂
TheCrabbyJohn@reddit
While not a Brit, I've seen it over there. And frankly it's none of my business and good for them.
ThaiFoodThaiFood@reddit
I don't care anymore. Although I wouldn't go to a club or a bar.
About 10 years ago I got fed up of trying to organise trips and/or holidays with other people. My work pattern doesn't make things easy because I'm hardly ever free evenings and weekends but regularly off during the week. So I just decided to go and do the things I want alone. Including going on holiday.
It's way better.
Nosferatatron@reddit
You need to hide the book inside a glossy magazine if you don't want to scare people (something like What Car? or a travel one). If you're walking, hold a big camera or have a dog so you don't look like a threat. Probably a herd response to get scared by lone men!
Ok_Row_4920@reddit
It seems like a huge amount of people are very weird now and you're not one of the weird ones. I think social media has really fucked up a lot of people and I'm not liking what I'm seeing in society lately.
supernakamoto@reddit
I’d respect them for having the self-assuredness to do they want. Anyone who judges or makes fun is essentially admitting that they wouldn’t be able to do it themselves, which is just a bit sad really.
Narlth@reddit
31F from south England, I wouldn’t think anything or if I did it would be I wish I was that confident to go out and do things alone.
Those who think it’s weird you’re reading are definitely insecure and not the sort of people you would want to be friends with anyways.
arturklng@reddit
I think it's all in your head, the judgemental part.
Now, when it comes to keeping a conversation going.. you've given us this a few paragraphs long read to illustrate a point that could take two sentences, just saying...
Infinite_Bed8560@reddit
I too am a “billy no mates “.Its fine usually but I usually overthink it and get paranoid. Then I remember the wise saying : Those who matter, don’t mind. Those who mind … don’t matter. Don’t worry about the opinion of women who would mistake the contents of a box of cornflakes , for a jigsaw puzzle. The average person with a brain couldn’t give a rats arse. I not only live in Scotland but live in a place that’s known for having rather offish inhabitants.But tbf I am also someone who will randomly chat to other friendly strangers without a bother. Get out there live your life and ignore the gobshites!
647666@reddit
This is me. I'm a loser.
Katty_Whompus_@reddit
I read somewhere that French women tend to have a friend group they’ve had since childhood, and stick with them mostly. I wondered if that was a European thing it’s not like that here in the US.
No-Gur5273@reddit
Who cares.
MenthoL809@reddit
I’m a man in his 30s who hangs out on his own sometimes. Who gives a fuck. Just live your life man.
Wasps_are_bastards@reddit
I think nothing of it. I used to work away and regularly sat in pubs eating alone.
Shoddy_Juggernaut_11@reddit
I think this is bollocks, there's no way someone is going to say look at that sad twat reading, and to make it worse he's alone.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
If so, you're lucky to believe so!
QOTAPOTA@reddit
If I saw someone reading i wouldn’t disturb them but if there was a good moment I’d probably ask them about the book. Something simple along the lines of, “Good book?”. Maybe a short convo and leave them to it.
I wouldn’t think that the person was a loser or a loner, just someone who is more confident in themselves than most.
Anyone that thinks otherwise has their own shortcomings.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Respect.
Just FYI, never be afraid to speak to someone who is reading. It takes a mere few seconds to reread the last line and get back to where I was.
If someone is genuine in their interest, I'd 100% be up for a chat, possibly even asking them to join me of they are alone. I made a few friends by random interactions like this! But the past few years at least have made it feel near impossible to talk to strangers in this way.
Heck, I met an ex through someone I made friends with in a bar in my early 20's... You just never know!
GoblinTatties@reddit
Those people making nasty comments are insecure af and literally don't have the balls to do things by themselves. I didn't realise that many people would care so much about what other people do.
As someone who travelled to many countries alone and enjoys their own company, keep doing what you're doing! The day you stop going out because you worry what others think is the day you lose joy from your life.
nfurnoh@reddit
How would anyone know if he was alone and not just waiting for someone?
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Or stood up for a date haha
But still people can be super judgemental by my experience
nfurnoh@reddit
Honestly though I wouldn’t give it a second thought.
Intrepid_Bearz@reddit
I don’t pay attention to who other people are with or if they’re alone. I have my own stuff going on in my head, so half the time I don’t even notice someone I know when I lm out and about. If it’s a stranger I don’t tend to even register their presence.
GloamGlozing@reddit
I sit and read alone in places often and have never over heard anyone say it’s sad or even really noticed anyone looking at me.
I’m surprised to hear you say this happens often to you.
Bose82@reddit
I’d look at you with envy if anything 😂
naasei@reddit
"Now, in many of these places I have noticed people look you in a very judgemental fashion. From dirty looks to even overhearing people talking about me and mocking me for being on my own. "
You are imagining things and hearing voices. Please see a shrink!
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Go see a shrink for literally hearing tables of people in cafes openly mocking me for reading a book and sitting on my own?
Grow up
naasei@reddit
People mock you for reading in a cafe? Then you probably have shit on that book!
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I only read non-fiction science normally. Which many people seem to think is sad af.
Ok_Midnight4809@reddit
Jealous
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Why jealous?
TwpMun@reddit
JK Rowling wrote Harry Potter sitting alone in a cafe in Edinburgh
I get how it would be on your mind that people are focusing on you due to my own experiences with disability, but you are imagining it. People are too focused on their own lives, they don't care.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Nah, I dont have social anxiety or anything like that. Its the fact I have heard, very clearly, on numerous occasions, fully grown adults judging me and mocking me for being on my own. I had a table of women, around ages with me, laughing and loudly calling me sad, pathetic etc. and asking each other "what kind of saddo's read books these days", saying stuff like "he must be a thrill to talk to" while thumb pointing at me and laughing.
I don't let it get to me, but it is a common experience! Happened to me many times over the past two years of being single and just going about my day on my own.
Actually, I was by myself on lovely sunny day last year at the kelpies and stopped for a bit to sit on a bench and just enjoy the rays and watch the wildlife. Two women walking by stared me down before shouting over "go home and stop serving on women walking by ya perv"...
I wasn't even looking their way but boy could I feel the death stare as they walked by haha
asiasni@reddit
Of all people ever that perceived you sitting and reading how many % had those opinions? There are some idiot people out there but this kind of thing happening 3 or 4 times out of hundreds of people doesn’t prove anything but your (human) tendency to negative confirmation bias and that those particular individuals are bunch of idiots.
TwpMun@reddit
Sounds like a very strange place, just live your life. If there's adults making these comments they are the ones with the problems not you.
BlondBitch91@reddit
I’m a guy in my 30s currently hanging out on my own in a pub.
I work a busy job, so does my husband. It’s a hot day. Husband is working. Friends are all busy with their own partners or whatever. I needed some “me” time so I am in a pub with a cold beer and reading a book.
Honestly who cares? You do you. Enjoy your life and stop caring what other people think.
Admirable_Fail_4594@reddit
I used to feel like this a lot in my late 20's/early 30s but then a work colleague I was speaking to asked me to describe the people I met last week or even a few days ago. I couldn't.
Basically meaning people who don't know you don't care. They don't remember and will never think of you and you'll never see them again.
This completley changed everything for me and I have gone on solo holidays and places/attractions by myself and never thought twice again.
Hope this helps.
ljr69@reddit
I think nothing
Librabee@reddit
As a guy I don't think anything at all
No_Election_1123@reddit
I’m always impressed that they’ll go out by themselves. Many won’t because they fear the stigma, so those who defy it I’m always impressed by
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Appreciate you saying that. Seriously.
I'm just curious as to why there even is a stigna around it in the first place. That's more so the reasoning behind my post in the first place. And to understand how far spread this mentality is
No_Election_1123@reddit
I do a lot of traveling for work, so it’s a question of staying in my hotel room or going out and doing things.
I think it’s that people are largely herd creatures and we fear the lone outsider
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Very interesting perspective! I think you may be on to something there. Although, from what I have heard, this isn't the case in other areas of the world where people (especially women) might actually appreciate a man who is comfortable enough to be by himself in public.
I always thought of men as being more solitary in general anyway. We typically don't need to be around people or seek validation from them to be happy whereas, most women will tell you that a compliment from another woman means more than it would if it came from a man... I used to attend psychology workshops, thats the only reason I know this haha So yeah, I think women prefer to be in groups, for sure. Maybe that is also why they are so judgemental of men, especially me who are alone, as for these types of women, the thought of them being alone gives them the fear?
Who knows... I'm speaking in general here. Obviously not all men and not all women are the same. But the more avg man and avg woman will act and behave in certain, somewhat predictable ways.
naasei@reddit
Why would anyone think anything? Unless of course you are acting suspiciously or appear to be loitering, nobody gives two hoots, if you are going about your own business.
sweetheartonparade@reddit
I’m not surprised most said no, being approached by a man when you’re minding your own business is intrusive and awkward because it’s a forced situation on his terms.
I met my partner through mutual friends, I’ve also made lots of friends through hobby groups such as book clubs and DnD! These are the kinds of ways to meet people as friends and potential partners if you’re not into online dating.
CuckooPint@reddit
Without due respect, and I'm not trying to blame you here, but do you possibly have resting bitch face?
If you're noticing people looking at you then presumably you're looking at them too. Some people, myself included, have naturally grouchy looking faces. It's possible people are assuming you're sneering at them when in reality you're just observing.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I mean, its possible. But I don't sit and stare at people haha I will perhaps look someone's direction if I feel they are looking at me but I'd almost always accompany it with a smile and/or nod of acknowledgement. And whether its a guy or woman, makes no difference. I think its nice to be nice and say "awright" to strangers from time to time
True_Paper_3830@reddit
I say nothing wrong with it, go for it. I had the same circs, friends all in relationships. So I went to a local club still, first few weeks were a bit strange and not great, a group of women laughed at me as they were regulars so I became their standing joke. I didn't care too much, I loved the music so that part was great.
Then I hit a sweet spot in the club after several weeks of adjusting and ended up getting a lot of dates. I didn't have any friends to worry about being rejected in front of if I asked girls for a dance. My favourite time was watching a group of 4 friends go up onto the dance floor, one at a time, to ask this one girl to dance and all got rejected. I didn't even get on a dance floor but asked her from just off the dance floor bar, she said yes and I walked on it.
I think it was gaining more confidence. There were pros and cons, I missed the laughter with my friends, but became more proactive and confident and didn't care if I was shot down. It really is a numbers game when you're young, a friend taught me that and that was literally the best advice for meeting girls in clubs. You just won't be some girl's type so just try a few you'd like to talk to. I learnt not to take it personally or let one shot-down define the night and just went to speak to other girls. You also don't miss signals more which you can if talking to friends, so I'd be very aware if I was getting positive or otherwise looks from girls.
As for the girls who laughed at me at first, didn't bother me after the first time when I thought about it, if it amused them I was alone that was all part of their night as friends so I didn't take that personally either.
Soggy-Mistake8910@reddit
Wouldn't notice or care if I did. None of my business. You do you so long as you're not bothering anyone else.
UnderstandingFit8324@reddit
As a guy in his 30s who also likes to hang out alone...
"...Please don't try to make friends... please don't try to make friends... please don't try to make friends..."
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I have days where I 100% feel like this and don't want anyone to engage with me. But I do sometimes wish people would be more open and willing to chat to strangers.
I'm a firm believer that people have a lot to teach you, if you're willing to listen. Especially complete strangers who have potentially had vastly different life experiences from you.
So while I love to read and learn that way, I also love to engage and learn from people at times too. Just seems very few people actually think or feel this way.
Cojalo_@reddit
Probably just assume he's having a quiet day out and not think much more of it
hime-633@reddit
Personally I like people have who are confident enough to - say - go and eat out alone. Why the fuck not? What does it matter? Enjoy your own company.
sweetheartonparade@reddit
30’s F and I love my own company. I work with children and families daily (so my job is very social) and my treat to myself is spending time alone, reading leisurely, visiting galleries, sitting in cafe’s etc. It’s not weird.
However, I do not want to be spoken to during this time and I am not open for a conversation with strangers. Sorry not sorry. I can only speak for myself but I’m certain it’s true for other women, we genuinely just want to be left alone.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Appreciate this completely!
Just out of curiosity though, how do you suppose you or other women like you would meet someone then, presuming they are single?
I asked over 100 women in Glasgow and Edinburgh if they'd want a man to approach them and almost all of them said no.
But we all know dating apps suck and dont work for at least 90% of guys. So... Is dating in the UK (especially Scotland) just dead?
-Intrepid-Path-@reddit
Wouldn't think twice about someone being in a cafe alone with a book or going for walks alone. If I was in the mood and your book looked interesting and you seemed up for a chat, I might even strike up a conversation with you. If people are talking about you behind your back, that's a them problem, not a you problem.
Vivid-Blacksmith-122@reddit
I wouldn't think anything because I wouldn't notice. I cannot believe there is such a long post about this.
You are not being judged. Nobody cares. They're too busy staring at their phones to notice you.
RegularWhiteShark@reddit
I don’t think twice. I’m introverted myself so doing stuff alone is fine by me.
Ok_Bike239@reddit
Absolutely nothing.
CaveJohnson82@reddit
I find this so bizarre. Granted, I'm a woman, but never once in my life, even when I was a bitchy teenager, did I ever even think let alone have a conversation with someone about how a person alone was a creep or a weirdo. Especially in a coffee shop with a book.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Seems even your bitchy teenage self was one of the good ones haha
Honestly, I have met so many woman around my age who acted way more immature than the girls I remember from school... Speaking of, I actually saw an old classmate of mine drunk and shouting dogs abuse at people in Bathgate Job Centre a few weeks ago!
I realised I knew her and immediately crossed the road, even though traffic was coming. I'd rather be knocked down than engage with the likes of her, that's how bad it is! 😂
sugartheshihtzu@reddit
I don’t think anything. I wouldn’t even notice. Btw I’m a woman and from Wales
-HermanTheTosser@reddit
Mate I fucking love doing shit by myself. I get so excited
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Good!!! Stay this way!
But, I do miss doing stuff with other people too. My friends are always too damn busy and no significant other so... Riding solo it is, and I love it too tbh 😅
GhostRiders@reddit
I don't think anything because I don't care.
Why should I worry about what a complete strange is doing?
So long as your not standing on a table masturbating you do you and I will do me.
betineri@reddit
Depends what you’re reading. If it’s something like Mein Kampf or How to Murder and Cook Women, I’d recommend getting a cover for your book.
Gullible_Fan4427@reddit
It’s not weird at all and the only passing thought I may have about you is that this guy is out on his own and wants to be left alone.
I did go read some of your post history though and it seems like others opinions of you being alone matters to you because you’re looking to date and you don’t feel comfortable trying anything but sitting in public places and hoping someone magically comes along and strikes up a convo. You’ve cut off a lot of options for yourself.
Only other option I can think of for you is throwing yourself into a lot of social activities/groups that aren’t involving drinking. Hiking groups (pull a granny or she may have a daughter) reading groups, nerdy activity groups etc etc maybe some dating events?
I don’t know about the area side of things, never lived in Scotland, but I grew up in London and it’s such a multicultural city with so many people that are actively friendly because they basically have to be. A lot of people flock there from all over and then have the need to make friends! So there’s a drastic option!
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Yeah, being single is part of it. But I'd also never expect women to approach me lol I did mention though, I have tried groups and clubs for hiking, cycling etc. and the majority of people would turn up in their own wee groups and not speak to anyone outside of them. I have gone to a few 'social' clubs like that and said barely anything as people just didn't want to talk to anyone but the friends pr partners they went with...
As for dating events, I know guys who have tried these and been advised yo never reduce myself to such a low 😂 They are basically 95% men and the women who do go are the types nobody would want to be near, let alone date 😐 I think me being here is hindering any possibility of finding someone in general. But as I'm a father of a 4yo wee girl, she's my priority. So if I'm single for the rest of my life, so be it!
InspiredToShine@reddit
Why are you concerned about what bitchy and not well read people think of you?
If they aren't kind to people, why would their opinion matter to you?
You do you and enjoy your life, there's nothing unusual about solo coffee shop book reading. Look further than the bitches and you might see a soul mate reading in another corner. Nod to them in solidarity and ignore the horrible people.
Pristine_Weekend25@reddit
I don't think anything
macandcheesefan45@reddit
I live in England and it’s not a problem here. I’m a Scot originally though. One reason I like England is that people just leave you alone, well me anyway. I drink in some pubs where men sit on their own a lot. Maybe you should try different places or just ignore any ignorant comments. Difficult I know. You could always say ‘I’m not bothering you, so why you bothering me’.
Hot-Box1054@reddit
Most people don’t walk down the street and wonder what other people are doing and why they are doing it.
InspectionVast979@reddit
The spotlight effect.
You sound a bit paranoid, most people won't even notice you but whatever your insecurities are make it seem like they are behaving a certain way towards you.
afrosia@reddit
I doubt I even acknowledge it.
Scienceboy7_uk@reddit
What does it matter what other people think. Be comfortable in your own skin. I sometimes go to the cinema by myself. I’m happy in company or by myself. Don’t worry about it.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I don't worry about it lol I'm just curious as the negative attitude seems to be rather common! I've had friends say they think its absolutely weird I'll go out and do stuff on my own. What do people expect? That guys like me should just lock ourselves in the house and never go out!?
It's already hard enough to meet someone, can you imagine if I just never went out at all? 😂
Scienceboy7_uk@reddit
Good chap.
Social media and journalism has influenced people to think anyone by themselves is up to no good, weird or something.
They don’t think the same of you’re walking a dog 😁
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I want a dog but I can't face leaving one alone at home while I work, go to the gym, etc. I'm out around 16hrs per day so... Not exactly ideal 😞
anabsentfriend@reddit
You could try borrow my doggy
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I never knew about this!!! Holy hell! Why would people willingly lend out their dog to strangers? Haha
sinetwo@reddit
What do you mean “guys like me”? Go find some groups of people who share common interests and go to those events. Be it gaming or knitting or whatever. Everyone is essentially on their own until they do some thing about it 😁
Icy-Belt-8519@reddit
I regularly go on hikes to all different places (never on my own cause unfortunately I have anxiety around driving) every time I see multiple men on their own, and women, of all ages alone or alone with a dog
Normally I get a smile, a head nod or a hi, and other than respond to them I don't think anything about them, like nothing
I've seen people eating alone and cinema alone and my thoughts there are, I wish I had the confidence for that
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I love hiking and doing stuff on my own. I don't think its so much confidence but just the ability to feel at peace with yourself.
I was a very shy and insecure young boy, once upon a time. It took a lot of work, but now I really don't care and even prefer being by myself at times.
Do I wish I had a significant other to do these things with? 100%. But I'm at least at peace and comfortable.
Mavisssss@reddit
I'm a single woman and I feel relieved when I see that there are usually a few other people at the cafe alone. It makes me feel a lot better. I'm still new-ish in town and I have some friends, but not like a best friend or partner who you would just spontaneously go to a cafe with.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I love just going for a random coffee and chilling in a cafe with my thoughts and/or a book 😂
I don't really mind if its busy, I'm very open and willing to approach people and ask if I can sit nearby or even at their table. No shame haha But I am very aware that people find this behaviour.... odd...
Famous-Complex8281@reddit
I'd think 'oh it's a guy in his 30s hanging out on his own' and move on to my stuff.
sossighead@reddit
I’m in my 30s. Married with kids.
I absolutely love going out on my own to a cafe or a pub with a book. Bliss.
I’ve never experienced anyone thinking it’s weird or saying anything. It’s a totally normal thing to do.
betterland@reddit
I didn't read the whole post sorry but you may be over thinking it. As long as you enjoy your own company, that's it, who cares what anyone thinks. Most people don't care and those who do are not worth thinking about either.
weirdchili@reddit
I do it myself, dont care what other people think anymore. I think we grow out of what other people think about you eventually. I almost always wear joggers everywhere (unless we're going out for dinner or something), they're comfortable and practical. If i see someone else hanging out on his own, no thought ever crosses my mind, because i dont care what other people are doing with their lives, let them be, and just carry on with my day.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Respect this. I don't worry or overly think about anything like this, but I am curious. Especially as women in the US post a lot online asking why no single guys are every out by themselves, whereas if you do that here, women seem to be the first to judge and usually make sure you can hear the talking about you!
Just my experience. But I have been called all sorts just for chilling on my own, having a meal in a restaurant or reading a book in a cafe... I always think its sad that they are thinking that way. But I wonder if it is actually a culture thing and women are brought up to avoid or even hate on men who hang out alone? I dunno... Just find it intriguing, their thought process and all, and how wide spread it actually is.
weirdchili@reddit
Yeah i dno, might be a US cultural issue. Where I am in the UK (not london), even if im out for a walk by myself with over ear headphones in, I get people walking past and most say good morning or give a smile. If anyones sitting eating a meal by themselves, they're left alone. Most of us I believe just think let them do whatever they want to do, noone wants to be involved in other peoples business especially grown adults. Could just be someone on their lunch break, or out and about and got hungry, who gives a shit? Teenagers maybe a different story, all trying to act up when they're in a group, catch them by themselves and watch their demeanour be completely different.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I'm in Scotland, not US. I spoke to people in the US and they have said you'd never be judged and even probably admired for being out enjoying life on your own.
Here, its the opposite. Scottish cultural issue? Who knows
weirdchili@reddit
Oh yeah my bad, i dno maybe it just depends on the type of people and group theyre in. You probably dont notice the hundreds who leave you alone and notice the people who bother you more. I havent really experienced this. Maybe throw some food at them next time lol
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
!! Haha I might just do that 😂
Nordosa@reddit
I met my partner who was in his 30s at the pub and he was on his own. I was with a friend and he came over and started chatting. 5 years later and we’re getting married!
Nothing weird about it at all! Takes a bit of courage I’ll grant you but we often get chatting to people on their own in pubs, it’s a great part of our culture
Whosentyounow@reddit
Yeah don’t feel nothing
Flitdog@reddit
Absolutely nothing, it’s your time and your freedom.
Enjoy doing what you’re doing, regarding the people who said about the book.
They probably do need to read a book really
Haypiggy@reddit
I wouldn’t really even notice but I wouldn’t think anything bad about it.
I might give a funny look at first if I see someone in their 30s alone in the club though but that’s just me
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
They had live house music on though! Haha I wanted to see what it was like. And it was also next door to my hotel 🤷♂️ I did end up leaving hours before close though as the vibe was just super off, ngl
BastCity@reddit
Man in his thirties here, who spends most of his time outside of work alone.
Run your own race, man. Don't worry about how others may perceive you. Break free of the chains of social expectations. It's very liberating.
This reply was written as I sat alone in a cafe having a drink and reading the news.
ohmywtfthankyou@reddit
Reddit is also my news
Johns252@reddit
Mate, I'm currently in a restaurant, just finished my lunch after a walk earlier. Idgaf what people think about me.
I'm off home to see my cat now.
Egregious67@reddit
It would be easy to call someone paranoid when they think people are looking at and talking about them. However, the question has to be asked, how do you know people are looking at you and talking about you?
You would have to be looking around at people to know if they are or not. And if they are talking about you, could the conversation be along the lines of " Why does that guy over there with the darting, worried looking eyes keep looking at us?!
Trips-Over-Tail@reddit
I don't notice and wouldn't think about it if I did. I am also hanging out on my own and am utterly engrossed in my thoughts or an interesting bug.
coffeewalnut08@reddit
I wouldn’t care. I’m a woman and spend a lot of time on my own for similar reasons as you.
pinklepickles@reddit
You’re saying ‘even Aberdeen!’ made me laugh. I don’t think it sad for you to sit and read a book on your own at all. My younger self would maybe even have talked to you about what you were reading, if you looked approachable.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
Haha I think I was trying to say that, buy my experience, this attitude isn't isolated to the central belt and even happens a bit further North lol
But I would love for someone, anyone, to stop and ask about what I'm reading! Most people probably don't care, but the others that do pay attention is almost always for a negative reason or to to mock, etc.
Midniteman86@reddit
Coming from someone who used to feel like this, honestly, me and everyone else feels nothing.
Not saying you won't get the odd idiots that do feel something on the rare occasion, but those people are idiots,and the occasions are rare.
Ask yourself how much you care about what others are up to (something that I had to do, and it helped alot).
Nearby_Photograph_30@reddit
I live in the north east & I find it bizarre that people would judge you? 1. I probably wouldn’t notice you, I’d be too busy going about my own day. 2. I feel like going to the cinema/pub/wherever is pretty common? I go to concerts alone & theres usually a lot of solo gig goers. I really don’t think this is a UK thing 😬
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
One thing I'll say, I was in Newcastle on my own last year and it was amazing! People were super friendly. Especially when they heard my accent 😂 But before and since then, it has been mostly negative. Must be a Scottish thing, or maybe mid/West of Scotland thing... I dunno
Nearby_Photograph_30@reddit
Maybe you’re just living in the wrong place! I live near Newcastle & people are friendly here - although I am the youngest person on my estate by about 30+ years 😂 I lived in Sheffield for a few years - people were so friendly there. Strangers would actually say good morning to you as you pass 😭😭
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
I was in Newcastle in my own, hung out in a couple bars before being dragged to a club by a group of lads I met while out 😂😂 People are incredibly friendly down there and girls were approaching me the whole night, which never happens here! Issue was, they were all far too young 😂 18/19yo
Sweet--Olive@reddit
If I saw a guy just minding his own business/enjoying his own company, I wouldn't think anything of it at all. I wouldn't start chatting A) because I'm quite shy and B) I would hate to interrupt you if you were enjoying some peace.
Women often are cautious around guys they don't know by necessity. Not necessarily because they think you are likely to be a bad/creepy man, or that you are doing anything to suggest that, but it is quite easy as a woman to get into an awkward situation where a man accidentally gets the wrong idea about her intentions. Also there is no way to really tell which few guys are the baddies.
Sxn747Strangers@reddit
When I was in my 30’s about 20 years ago I had a cream tea in Glastonbury and I did feel I was getting a lot of strange looks.
I think it would have been better sitting against a wall rather than sitting in the middle of the room though, but it’s where I was placed though.
Several years ago I stopped at a motorway services and rather than leave my shotgun in the car, (the police notice said, “Do not leave valuables in the car”), so I took it inside with me.
It is not illegal to have a gun in a public place for transitory or safety purposes if it is secure, and this was not only in a sealed case but there was also a trigger lock fitted too.
One of the cleaners who was doing his rounds came and talked to me and we had quite a chat about it, normally I was always on my own.
And no one else was even slightly bothered, apart from someone in the toilets who did notice but didn’t say anything; either he thought it’s inappropriate so he didn’t ask or he was an anti, but as he couldn’t possibly know the specifics and it could be inappropriate he didn’t either.
Which is strange because normally I’m all by myself and that was the only time complete strangers have shown any interest.
sadia_y@reddit
As a women (29) who is also alone most do they time, I don’t think anything of it. I probably won’t even look twice at you. Can’t speak on clubs, but seeing a man reading a book, walking in a park, eating at a restaurant alone is not outside the norm. Sometimes we get too into our own heads about what other people are thinking. Mostly, people are thinking about their own worries and how they’re being perceived to even care.
mrayner9@reddit
Absolutely nothing, you probably just came across walkers. Especially in big cities who even notices.
SpezSucksDonkeyCock@reddit
There's a man.
Forward_Confusion202@reddit
Wouldn’t even bat an eyelid mate
Jon7167@reddit
I love being on my own and I dont care what others think, In my house its just me and my cats, nothing better than either relaxing with my Kindle or watching a film
DizzyMine4964@reddit
Nothing.
Quick-Oil-5259@reddit
In London nobody would bat an eyelid about you sat in a pub or cafe on your own reading a book or scrolling on your phone.
gaddafiduck_@reddit
I think you’re hanging out in the wrong places. I’ve never had comments or looks or anything like that when I’m on my own.
I’m with others about not giving a shit, except… clubs. Tbh I do think that’s a slightly odd place to go on your own. Not that that justifies peoples’ treatment or attitude of course. I think they should leave you alone
Time_Candle_6322@reddit
Must be a Scottish thing. In London that sounds incredibly normal.
cosmoscrumb@reddit
I doubt in reality many people actually give a second thought, reverse the roles and you are one of masses, how much attention do you pay to other people when you're out and about
WaitroseValueVodka@reddit
I'd think nothing and I wouldn't notice you.
I think of sitting in a cafe alone with a book as a treat! I love to do this, so if I did think anything it would probably be how much I'd prefer to be reading on my own with a latte than going to a soft play/park
Internet-Dick-Joke@reddit
I go to plenty of stuff (concerts, conventions, movies, ect.) on my own, and see plenty of other people doing the same. I can honestly tell you that most people really don't give a shit, and are unlikely to even notice. Most people tend to be focused on their own thing. Hell, in general, most people will pay absolutely no attention to you unless you are specifically doing something to bring yourself to their attention.
What I will say is that some stuff, with night clubs being a big example, are very much more likely to be events where people stick to their groups. Women are going to be uncomfortable talking to you at first regardless of whether you are alone or with a group (actually, a group would probably be worse, because assholes are often pack hunters).
And if you're sitting somewhere with a book then most people and especially women will leave you alone because they are assuming that you want to be left alone (and for the love of God, if you see a woman sitting alone somewhere reading a book, leave her alone, because I can almost garentee that she doesn't want to talk, that why she's reading). This has nothing to do with thinking someone is 'sad and weird', it's a matter of being polite to someone that has not indicated in any way that they want you to be bothering them.
And, to be a bit harsh here, but I strongly suspect that if people are noticing you enough to expend energy on giving you dirty looks or even talking about you, it's probably not just because you're alone but because of something that you are doing, like watching the same group or individual for too long or staring at people.
hskskgfk@reddit
I don’t think anything of it.
Internal_Ostrich_469@reddit
I totally understand it’s upsetting to be mocked in a public situation, but I think you should try to develop a way to care less about what other people think of you rather than thinking about changing your behaviour. You are out there enjoying life, getting fresh air / exercise in nature, and developing yourself as a person (by reading). Some people haven’t learnt the ability to be at peace in their own company.
I also sense some disappointment you feel around difficulty finding a romantic date or friend groups to socialise with, which is understandable. I don’t think club nights are the best way to connect with others. In modern society we have lost many of the public spaces where people would naturally socialise in the past. I would suggest using a dating app to find someone, then meeting them for a date at one of the local places you enjoy (a cafe or a nature walk sound like great date ideas). If you’re looking for friendship, you might find a local book club or nature hiking group where you can meet the same group of people at regularly scheduled group events.
Slight-Brush@reddit
I think there are two different strands here - a guy by himself bothering no one in a pub or coffee shop is absolutely unremarkable.
A guy by himself in a pub or coffee shop wanting to strike up conversations with other people is much less usual.
If you’re by yourself, we generally assume you don’t want to socialise and will leave you alone. In Britain this is generally seen as polite.
LaraH39@reddit
There's this thing called "the spotlight effect" it's where we think people are paying attention to us when they really aren't.
It's why when we suddenly realise we're going in the wrong direction we make a show of pretending to check our watch and turn around.
We all overestimate how much attention others are paying to us. Nobody will care or notice you.
hook-happy@reddit
Nah, I think he’s probably a well rounded human who doesn’t always seek the approval of other people and is happy in his own company. It’s quite attractive really, especially with the book.
Strechertheloser@reddit
Nothing. Also a lot of people can't be alone like my mum. Anyone laughing at or mocking you, I assure you is a codependent. Independent people dont think it's weird to be alone.
EatingCoooolo@reddit
Nothing. I just see an independent man who is enjoying life not waiting around till everyone is free.
Maleficent_Wash7203@reddit
This right here. I go out solo when folks are busy or skint or just not in the mood. Honestly I just regret not going to things I wanted to in my twenties thinking folk cared. If anyone was bothered by me being on my own and spoke up to me I would ask them why their lives are so boring that I am all they have to talk about 🙃
ForestCl0uds@reddit
I think a guy sitting around on his own reading a book is cool as fuck.
There's nothing wrong with hanging around on your own, in fact being independent and comfortable with your own company is great. People who think anything of it are projecting their own insecurities.
As RuPaul once said, "if they're not paying your bills, pay them no mind".
BeachJenkins@reddit
I'm 32 and I do this all the time, some people are too insecure to spend time on their own, or they subconsciously know they're in bad company, so when they see someone else doing it their initial reaction is to mock/reject, it's a defense mechanism. I am curious where you're reading though because I haven't had people commenting on me before. Although to be fair I have my earphones in with some chilled music whilst im reading, people could have been slagging me off and I didn't have a clue, ignorance is bliss and all that. You do you, mate, ignore the small minded people.
sinetwo@reddit
Most would assume if you’re on your own that’s because you want to be on your own. I don’t think it’s in western culture to strike up a conversation with someone who’s on their own, although I have done it with groups of friends at a venue or when I’ve been travelling.
I highly doubt anyone’s criticising you for chilling out on your own. I sometimes do but I bring a book or something to occupy me, not exactly staring at everyone on my own - that would be weird.
Or it’s me and my dog, at which point no one bats an eyelid.
Crazy_Spite7079@reddit
Above everything else, anyone saying it's sad that you read is too fucking stupid to take notice of anyway
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
This is how I feel.
I read non-fiction. I love to learn and always look to improve myself and my knowledge. But yes, the fact I read science books about black holes or quantum physics does draw a lot of negative attention to which, I think, "not my fault you're too dumb to understand" 😂
InkedDoll1@reddit
Nothing. I'm F but I often sit alone reading in coffee shops. I get occasional looks but eh, who cares.
Guilty_Hour4451@reddit
I dont think anything, I dont care what other people do if it doesnt affect me or my family
AlpsSad1364@reddit
I think "I bet he's a redditor"...
I can only imagine you're hanging out in working men's clubs or golf club bars.
BeachJenkins@reddit
Yeah, this was my thinking too, depends where OP is reading, I'm picturing him sat in a busy sweaty nightclub on a Saturday night with his current novel
jeanclaudebrowncloud@reddit
Most people don't care if someone's on their own doing their own thing. They're usually focused on their own lives and the vast majority of the public don't register to them. Some people, however, are very insecure and like to triangulate themselves against someone who doesn't conform to their fashion or lifestyle. Maybe it's a guy with long hair, maybe a guy who's reading a book, if they see that as antithetical to their worldview then they're using that person as an example to shore up their social status in a group to show how conformist they are to that group. Those people are very insecure and most people don't need to do such a performative act of callous cruelty to show off.
Lopsided_Chicken5850@reddit
I wouldn't even notice.
Wiggles_21@reddit
Genuinely would not think anything of it and I don't know anyone who would think anything of it. People do stuff on their own all the time. At cafés sometimes there's more people on their own than with someone
Like if one of my friends were to say "look at that guy on his own" that would be a really strange thing to say. Nobody would say that
I think in the kindest way, you have either had extremely unlucky and strange experiences or you might be projecting a little insecurity
pm_me_your_amphibian@reddit
Nothing.
I think you’re projecting mate. In fact, I’m pretty confident in saying you definitely are projecting.
Indignant_Woodlouse@reddit
Sod them! Do what you want.
I recently went on holiday to the USA by myself, had a wonderful time doing what I wanted, going where I wanted and not having to worry about anyone else.
TouchBudget6316@reddit (OP)
The US sounds a lot less judgemental of people hanging alone here btw. They almost seem to admire it!
Lucy_Little_Spoon@reddit
As a fellow 30is yo, I think it's kind of an admirable trait to be able to enjoy your own company.
I once went to the cinema alone, yes only the once alone, and it was a miserable experience at first, but I definitely understand the appeal.
weesiwel@reddit
That's cause being alone is a miserable experience. We are social creatures.
AlexEmbers@reddit
Being on your own in a club will read as weird to a lot of people and I can understand why. Not saying you are weird or someone to worry about OP, but that one is understandable. The people laughing at you for reading a book in public sound like idiots, though
SingerFirm1090@reddit
People are not looking down on you because you are alone and reading, it's amazement that you can read!
Coconutpieplates@reddit
In nearly any situation I'd think absolutely nothing of it and anybody who would say something is just being a dick. The only situation I'd find different would be if I was still in the clubbing phase and approached by a guy on his own I'd be a bit more cautious but that's easily negated by just talking to the person. You very quickly feel out who is alone because they wanted to go out and who is out alone to creep on people.
Some people will have something to say, clearly, but that's their problem, most people don't have anything to say about it but they are just going unnoticed.
cvslfc123@reddit
I'm 33 and doing this right now. Decided to go for a walk and am sitting outside a pub on my own. No one will care.
Realistic_Bee_5230@reddit
ibr mate, i don't care what people are doing unless youre being a dick.
I doubt I would even notice, or if I did, I would still not give a shit.
U may be overthinking a wee bit lad.
I am from London tho, we are not a social bunch I will say, I walk around pretending like everyone else does not exist lmfao.
FishUK_Harp@reddit
I would think nothing - literally wouldn't even register with me most of the time. If for some reason it did, it wouldn't mean anything to me - maybe he just wants some time alone, maybe he's waiting for someone, maybe he's travelling for workand fancied a drink in the evening - but generally I wouldn't think twice about it.
Capital-Wolverine532@reddit
Trying to start conversations in a club would seem like trying to pick them up. Not wise anywhere except a gay club.
Other than that no one cares if you are on your own.
Marta1502@reddit
It doesn't matter what other people think. Keep being yourself. The rest of them can f* off. :)
hamm71@reddit
Nothing. People don't pay attention to other people that much. I've lots of friends and family but sometimes I'll go to a bar or pub for a drink by myself. Watch the world go by. It's totally fine and normal