Number of Cars Shipped to U.S. Plunges More Than 70%
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Frosty_Equal_4559@reddit
I think the whole point of this is to truely understand why we do it and I think that’s a key thing too
Confusedlifec@reddit
i wonder why 🤦♀️
GunterGoontedMyFries@reddit
Germans worried of being next Detroit
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Yes that does happen when your administration makes it horrendously expensive to do international trade for no good reason.
In last place
Lol what, I mean its not unexpected but infiniti only makes like two cars worth having what inventory do they even have
mishap1@reddit
Cars not worth having are why you have so much inventory.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
I mean sure but the vast majority of their inventory seems to be fresh 2025 MY cars. For a brand that only sells 1/5th the cars a year Lexus does, they print an awful lot of cars. Acura only half as successful as Lexus but they seem to have their inventory relatively under control.
mishap1@reddit
Financial distress. Nissan needs as many cars on dealer lots as possible (cars on the lot are typically no longer on their books) so they most likely pushed production as fast as they could and then cut headcount once they hit production targets. Plants are most efficient running at max capacity so better do that in a concentrated time and then cut shifts/staff.
Lost_Result5686@reddit
Working for both Nissan and Infiniti dealers, our territory rep would always being trying to push garbage inventory on us that would be impossible to move. While holding out on units we actually had traction on
A lot of Nissan stores punch/demo/pre-register new-cars that they can’t move to show a good month on paper.
I worked for one who did it frequently and overzealously, to end up with tons of “new” 18/19/20 inventory as late as early-2022. Totally came back to bite them, but this is the only way the brand would fulfil desirable units.
The family sold their Nissan franchise shortly after, they kept the Honda store where there was a night and day difference in how the corporate brand conducted itself.
Emergency_Ad4664@reddit
Sounds like you could run the company yourself
TheAlphaCarb0n@reddit
I'm sure you totally made money on those...yikes lol. That's crazy behaviour from Nissan.
KellerMB@reddit
There had to be other things going on, like charging 5k ADM on 18's.
By 2021 -- peak COVID lockdown/supply chain impact -- all that dealer would've had to do is put them on autotrader at full MSRP.
Lost_Result5686@reddit
This store didn’t do ADM’s even through the pandemic
I think my timeline is wrong because the rise in used-car prices is what saved them in getting out of the store unscathed with the inventory they owned. Maybe more like late-2021
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
Good luck for you guys. In fact, BYD is more disgusting in that. They've used large amount of garbage inventory to make their one of local Chinese dealerships out of business, and BYD doesn't care and responsible on it.
gimpwiz@reddit
See: "Channel stuffing"
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Never looked at it that way, thank you
Shitadviceguy@reddit
104 days of inventory might be 5 cars
Shallow_wanderer@reddit
How on earth is Mitsubishi and Infiniti still even alive at this point
Infiniti has nothing to offer anymore except for generic tarted up Nissan CVT slop, and Mitsubishi has one good car that I never see around and will likely end up meeting the same fate as the Suzuki Kizashi
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
Agree in Infiniti, but Mitsubishi Motor actually does pretty well in other world. They sell many cars and trucks in SEA area and OZ/Kiwi.
aprtur@reddit
Infiniti doesn't really have that option since it's a US and China only brand. Globally, most of those models are just sold under the Nissan umbrella (i.e. Armada and QX80 are just sold as Patrol globally, Q50 is Skyline, for example).
deiphiz@reddit
Back when I lived in the Philippines, Mitsubishis were literally everywhere. The Mirage was a very popular daily driver.
ob_knoxious@reddit
Infiniti is a critical vendor for rental car companies that upcharge you $25 a day for "BMW 3 series or similar" and don't let you know its an Infiniti until after they take your money.
molrobocop@reddit
Mitsubishi is also a conglomerate mega corporation that makes cars as a hobby.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
They're NOT same company even though they share same Mitsubishi name.
Gan-san@reddit
They are related companies. Mitsubishi Motors is a spin off of Mitsubishi Heavy which is part of the Mitsubishi family of companies. They all own stock in each other.
NeatlyCritical@reddit
The Mitsubishi Group and Heavy Industries own a very tiny bit of Mitsubishi the cars nowadays mostly through their banks, Mitsubishi Motors is mostly independent and owned by Nissan
Mimical@reddit
Its incredibly sad to see it have become a shell of its former self. In the modern era of All terrain vehicles being top sales dogs imagine what their R&D department could have provided.
cpxchewy@reddit
Mitsubishi is offered for those with a pulse and want 4 wheels and a steering wheel for the lowest price possible (mirage). They're also offered for those who gets rejected by Nissan Financial Services.
Infiniti is for those who want luxury but rejected by Acura FS.
varezhka11@reddit
Unless I am mistaken, Mitsubishi Motors Financial Services is now operated by Nissan Financial Services. And both are still in collaboration with Santander for deep subprime customers. You’re drinking the same poison, just different bottles.
Gan-san@reddit
No, Santander is the heavy. Mitsubishi and Nissan Financial are just figureheads playing with their money.
Echo609@reddit
The q50 and q60s are good cars for the price.
capn_untsahts@reddit
As a Q50 owner, I agree. But Q50 was cancelled last year, and Q60 a few years ago.
DoobieGibson@reddit
mitsubishi mirages are the one favorite car of Enterprise rent a car, the largest vehicle purchaser in the country
they’ll have 5-10 mirages in the fleet of every branch you see
AlexWIWA@reddit
As an Infiniti fan, I ask the same question. I am genuinely surprised that they can move any of their new SUVs
_LordTrundle@reddit
No, its because they imported at an extreme rate in preparation for tariffs. It inflated the numbers.
NewspaperNelson@reddit
Three Kings Iraqi voice: INFINITI ONLY!
stav_and_nick@reddit
I really don't understand Mitsubishi nowadays tbh. The past \~5 years or so they've sold a lot of the Outlander PHEVs, with pretty good reviews among owners. In Canada at least
But while they're refined it, their other products are just languishing. Like throw the PHEV powertrain in that smaller SUV you have! I think it'd do really well!
Clover-kun@reddit
Here in Canada, Mitsubishi will actually sell you a PHEV SUV when you walk into the door whereas Toyota dealerships treat their RAV4 Primes as if they were limited run 911s
durrtyurr@reddit
Unless I'm mistaken on the brand, I believe Mitsubishi actually sells more total vehicles in Canada than the USA.
GtrplayerII@reddit
Which in itself is bizarre considering they only came to the Canadian market like a full decade or two behind the US. Maybe we're just catching up to their BS?
Sweet-Gushin-Gilfs@reddit
Nah. No one can afford anything here. So a cheap hybrid SUV is gonna sell here like hot cakes. In America, where you have lower prices and higher buying power, why go with a rattle shit box when you can get something much better?
niftyjack@reddit
Prices were lower in Canada, too. A Mirage that's 17,000 CAD, or 12,000 USD, was 16,500 USD in the states; an RVR is 25,000 CAD/18,000 USD in Canada but 24,000 USD in the US. I bet they would've sold more in the US if prices were aligned to Canada.
trail-g62Bim@reddit
I know it's anecdotal but it feels rare to see one these days. And I have two dealers within 30 minutes of me.
Futt_Buckman@reddit
Every time I see one Im surprised and then remember they're still around
trail-g62Bim@reddit
For a while, I thought they'd pulled out of the US like Suzuki.
CircleSociety-scam@reddit
They cater to the low low credit score / IQ and they all needs wheels so why innovate your bottom of the barrel vehicles when theyre gonna buy the trash anyway? theyre a soul less company circling the drain for decades now
yamsyamsya@reddit
They got rid of every cool vehicle they have in an attempt to chase profits.
dagelijksestijl@reddit
Mitsubishi Motors has barely been staying afloat during this century, developing a new Evo would turn their tiny figures red.
yamsyamsya@reddit
oh yea it's far too late for something like that.
Drone30389@reddit
Why isn't Tesla on that list? The Cybertruck in particular supposedly has 10,000 units in inventory, which at the current sales rates seems to be about 6 months supply, and that's after a production pause.
lee1026@reddit
They survey independent dealers. And there ain't a thing as independent dealer that will talk to these groups.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
They weren't mentioned in the chart so maybe they just weren't included in the study - but Tesla also sells more than just the cybertruck
RacerM53@reddit
Hmmm
gumol@reddit
what's the good reason?
RacerM53@reddit
🤷♂️
Drone30389@reddit
Hmmm...
RacerM53@reddit
Are you trying to imply that the video is ai generated?
Drone30389@reddit
That's literally what their disclaimer is saying.
RacerM53@reddit
You do realize the audio is from podcasts and interviews he's done, right? A copy-paste disclaimer doesn't invalidate the points made in the video or change what was said.
If you disagree with the content, that's fine. But don't go out of your way to invalidate it because it goes against what you want to be true.
Drone30389@reddit
That disclaimer literally invalidates everything in the video. They are admitting to generating opinions that "may not necessarily reflect that of the featured speakers."
Don't go out of your way to believe something just because it says what you want to hear.
RacerM53@reddit
Agree to disagree, I guess. You care more about the disclaimer than I do. I've read a few of Sowells books, and this is right in line with what he says.
BTW the audio is from an interview from a few months ago
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jse000@reddit
Economic boom? I was wondering what that sound was.
viperabyss@reddit
Hmmm
D00dleB00ty@reddit
Really? Not a single reason at all you can think of? Because I'm pretty sure all the reasons have been laid out publicly for anybody who cares to pay attention...
hi_im_bored13@reddit
good reason. Difficult finding any economist that agrees wit his reasons
AlexWIWA@reddit
They discontinued all of their good cars, sadly.
AltruisticPassage394@reddit
I’m surprised Mitsubishi is still alive in this market.
AMLRoss@reddit
It's interesting to me as a resident of Japan that most cars on the road are Japanese. Why? Because they are designed for Japanese people and Japanese roads, and makers sell cars of all variety. From small and cheap k-cars to large and expensive sedans (Toyota crown series) and SUVs like the land cruiser, and mini vans like the alphard and vellfire.
People love their domestic car market. Cars are efficient, safe, and cheap to maintain.
Why is the US car market so different?
fobbyk@reddit
That’s an overstatement. If Japanese people made as much as Americans they wouldn’t drive kei cars. Kei cars are more dangerous and drive shitty. They drive kei cars because they make the most financial sense.
AMLRoss@reddit
Not everyone wants to drive a bigger car though. A lot of narrow roads in Japan, so k-cars make sense. Parking spots can also be very small and only fit a k sized vehicle. (and you can't buy a car unless you can prove you have a parking spot already)
fobbyk@reddit
Smaller cars have been offered in the US. Honda fit, Chevy spark (this is not even American car) both discontinued due to poor sales. Also I bet you 100 bucks that if Japanese people made more money k cars would die out. People drive vans in Japan just fine, and they sell very well. The only problem is the cost.
aprtur@reddit
Neither of these examples is a kei class vehicle, though... they're in a vehicle tax bracket the next size class up.
AMLRoss@reddit
Not sure why you are so focused on income. Plenty people in cities ,Ike Tokyo drive very expensive cars. In the end a large majority of people don't need cars thanks to public transport being great. Trains go everywhere. Cars are a luxury, not a necessity.
aprtur@reddit
Kei cars are exempt from the parking requirement, and that's one of the big reasons they're popular.
aprtur@reddit
Income is not the reason, as many owners of kei cars also have bigger vehicles. It's a matter of convenience.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
That isn't totally right no protection in Japan. Yes, Japan even doesn't have any tariff for imported cars, but they still do road tax by engine size and car weight. Their tax system really makes American cars hard to sell there, and I don't mention their high local oil price.
Of course, Detroit automakers can do that and make their Kei car in there, but they don't believe many profit from Japan, they chose no.
Funny-Dragonfruit116@reddit
If road tax by engine size and weight is an affordability issue, then the car is likely too big for the most populous regions of Japan anyway.
aprtur@reddit
I don't think the size of the roads are as much of a problem, as delivery trucks like Fuso get around just fine, and are either similar dimensions or bigger to a quad cab pickup in their usual city configuration...however, that becomes yet another an inconvenience along with the increased ownership costs and poor-to-non-existent dealer network for US brands. A good friend of mine has a quad cab Silverado just outside of Tokyo city center, and while he does have experience driving big trucks, he's said it fits more places than you'd imagine.
I will say that making a RHD vehicle matters to the market, as four door RHD Jeep Wranglers were everywhere in Tokyo when I visited in winter. Maybe it's just a matter of tailoring the product to the market more than US brands just don't bother with since RHD is very few countries and thus low volume.
Funny-Dragonfruit116@reddit
If road tax by engine size and weight is an issue at all, then the car is too big for the most populous regions of Japan anyway. You couldn't fit something like an F150of the most popular cars in the US down a typical Tokyo side street.
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galacticdolan@reddit
Partly because US manufacturers are mid at best and partly because of the very diverse population. German and Japanese car brands just have things figured out better than american car brands so thats a lot of what you see here. Not to say there isnt still a lot of american vehicles on the road but not a majority
Fujita21@reddit
I could be entirely off the mark, but personally, I find it difficult to consider a domestic car simply due to their reputation and track record. They can and have made good cars, but not with a level of consistency that inspires confidence. Drivetrain issues, interior quality, whatever. This ultimately translates to higher ownership costs and a poorer owner experience.
Japanese cars have their own issues, of course, and not every car is a paragon of reliability, but they've earned a general reputation for being dependable and economical, which is where a lot of the draw comes from.
I also understand that SUVs and trucks are overwhelmingly popular here and make the most money for manufacturers, but unlike in Japan, where, as you mentioned, they offer a variety of cars, domestic manufacturers have almost completely withdrawn from any segment smaller than crossovers. I think it's just the Mustang, Charger, and Malibu left?
For reference, I currently drive a CR-Z and a Miata. I'm interested in the new Prelude, or a new Mazda 3, or any lightweight sports/sporty car. I value space efficiency and dislike driving something larger than I need. I like hybrids and hatchbacks. Domestic manufacturers just don't produce anything that meets my wants or needs. Now, I'm obviously on the extreme end of the spectrum, but there are still many buyers who share that general sentiment and thus, gravitate to Japanese offerings.
Royal_J@reddit
they dont build the malibu anymore either
chargedcapacitor@reddit
Cadillac still makes the CT4 and CT5, which are significantly more expensive than the cars you mentioned, but exist none the less.
Fujita21@reddit
I acknowledge that. Cadillac is basically the last bastion of American sedans. I mentioned the mustang and the charger, but I don't really "count" sports cars or luxury brands, if that makes sense. They often exist under a different set of rules and expectations from the regular offerings. Although they're definitely not entirely isolated, seeing how Lincoln has a whopping zero sedans, and the camaro was cut recently.
I don't think you are, but it would be disengenuous to point to cars like that as proof that manufacturers haven't all but abandoned these segments.
AMLRoss@reddit
As you said, if makers refuse to offer a variety of cars, then buyers have no option but to buy large and expensive trucks and SUVs. If Trumps wants people to buy domestic (which I can understand to a certain point) then domestic needs to offer something for everyone.
I'm not sure whats gonna happen to the Japanese economy, especially since it relies heavily on (car) exports, but from what I can see, the domestic car market is alive and well. (not counting Nissan that is) Europe is similar to Japan and offers a lot of different cars, lots of hatchbacks and small cars, and some larger cars. Not many trucks there either from what ive seen in the past.
SigmaBallsLol@reddit
Like you said, American manufacturers, for the most part, are fine sacrificing sedans/coupe sales to promote/force truck and SUV sales because they get a higher profit margin. The only ones left are luxury or sport models, mostly bought by people who already have another vehicle.
If a truck makes twice as much profit as a sedan, as long as one sedan sale is being converted to a truck sale, it's worth it as you're also keeping production costs down by not running sedan production.
I think a few of them have expressed interest in returning their sedans/coupes as EVs, but only a handful have actually gone through with it and mostly sucked (Charger EV) and the rest are on hiatus (Lincoln, Chrysler) as their parent companies try to figure out what to do.
accordinglyryan@reddit
I'm spitballing, but I honestly think it's down to culture. From what I gather, Japan values its heritage, to say the least. Here in the states we have a melting pot of all kinds of people, so that's not as important. We also don't manufacture much here anymore, and Japanese cars kinda took over the market during the 1970s oil crisis. Those are the things I can think of off the top of my head.
NeatlyCritical@reddit
lee1026@reddit
The US market is important enough that many companies design their cars for the US market. Toyota specifically designed the camry and rav4 with the US as the lead market.
Some don't, and just drag in exports from their home market, but then again, that is why its been a while since I last saw a Volkswagen.
FledglingNonCon@reddit
Higher prices incoming. The entire covid price bubble was caused a reduction of 2-3m per year lost production and started with much higher inventory. This will increase prices for ALL cars, not just ones with tarrifs.
Juicyjackson@reddit
We have already seen it start.
The WRX and BRZ saw a flat $2k price increase.
Pretty much all BMW's will see a 3% increase.
And several more will be announcing more in late June/July.
7148675309@reddit
I bought a Subaru a week and a half ago - as the prices were going up by $600 to $2000 on June 1. What makes no sense is - those increases include the Outback (which I got) - and so only Outbacks built using parts imported after May 2 should be tariffed. There is no way those cars have even been built yet!
aprtur@reddit
Correct, but many of the larger parts to build them will be purchased under tariffs in advance of production. Any global supply chain parts are likely purchased ~2-4 months in advance. I work in supply chain for an OEM, and that's how it is for us.
FledglingNonCon@reddit
I mean admittedly all new model years typically increase price by 2-3% most years. But likely to be magnified this year.
DreamBiggerMyDarling@reddit
the european BMWs haven't even gotten hit yet, BMW extended their protection for june build dated cars but after that.... what is it 20% wonder what they pass on
Missus_Missiles@reddit
I'm now wondering, "How much profit could I get by in 3 months by selling my 2022 Tacoma."
FSCK_Fascists@reddit
I have a Jeep that I was going to trade, but did a cash down payment instead. I expect its value will skyrocket in the next year or so. I'll just private sell it then.
volmeistro@reddit
Dude at one point during Covid I had a couple of different offers on my tuck for a few thousand more than I had paid for it a few years earlier. I'd have sold it but then what do you buy since everything is outrageously expensive lol
holymacaronibatman@reddit
I had a 2015 Mazda 3 that I sold to Carvana during covid for slightly more than I paid for it.
Missus_Missiles@reddit
Yeah, we'll see how things go.
p90rushb@reddit
Higher insurance too. And higher rental car prices as well, with lower availability. Remember covid chip shortage? Pepperidge farm remembers.
7148675309@reddit
And 2024 sales were still a million lower than 2019.
hayasecond@reddit
The real question does domestic manufacturing pick up. This news alone will actually be used by the administration as a win.
Carrera_996@reddit
BMW is making investments in their SC plant. I don't know about any others.
EMCoupling@reddit
The real question is, were those investments already planned or are they because of these policy changes?
Ministry_Of_Talent@reddit
Ask yourself the opposite question: if there were zero tariffs, would they expand in SC or elsewhere like Mexico? Did Honda decide to halt expansion in Canada and expand in the US out of nowhere? Are VW/Audi/Porsche eyeing expansion in the US just because?
Carrera_996@reddit
No idea.
FSCK_Fascists@reddit
Hint: they were. It was announced in 2019 and finalized in 2022. Expansion began in 2023, expected to finish in 2030.
Porencephaly@reddit
If it does, a Ford F150 will cost about $150,000.
PaulTheMerc@reddit
Don't some of them already?
FSCK_Fascists@reddit
domestic production can't pick up. they lack the capacity, and the parts are mostly Chinese, with a smaller percentage being Canadian or Mexican. Tariffs hit every aspect.
chargedcapacitor@reddit
Investing in existing plants is one thing, but building brand new plants is a whole other can of worms. It will take two to three years just to plan the projects, and another three or four before processes can even begin to move, much less produce full vehicles. In that time, a new administration could be voted in that reverse the tariffs.
To automakers, it would be less painful to sit on their cash, rather then spend it and reverse course in a few years. The only thing that could change this would be massive government incentives or tax breaks (which many already receive).
alc4pwned@reddit
Even if it did, that would take years to happen. And even if it magically happened overnight, prices would still be a lot higher. There's no scenario where this is a win.
element515@reddit
That’s an easy answer, no. It does not
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doughball27@reddit
It won’t.
We tried this to resolve issues during the Great Depression. Tariffs depress the economy overall and therefore any small gains in American manufacturing will be offset by massive losses in the overall economy.
DepopulationXplosion@reddit
Whether it does or doesn’t, prices are going to skyrocket like they did during COVID.
FledglingNonCon@reddit
No
mipark@reddit
I mean, US domestic aluminium price shot up. I'm sure steel will follow suit. And China is holding back rare earth minerals exports.
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Original-Pool-7092@reddit
What 😂
MonstahCapital@reddit
Well I mean, it’s simple economics, price goes up, people buy less.
Routine-Bedroom9723@reddit
That’s a massive drop – wonder how this will impact prices in the short term. Fewer imports usually mean tighter supply and higher prices, especially for popular models. Could also push more people to hold on to their older cars longer, which means demand for car accessories, upgrades, and repairs might actually spike. Not great news overall, but definitely a wake-up call for the auto industry.
knight_prince_ace@reddit
"This is not what I voted for" said by person who voted for this - the Onion probably
OceanGate_Titan@reddit
Actually most people are happy about this news.
Dachshand@reddit
I was reading that with a strong southern accent.
sc0lm00@reddit
I'm sure the prevailing perception in that circle is they're moving manufacturing here instead. Of course that can totally be setup in a couple of months with little cost reflection on the product.
actuallychrisgillen@reddit
And not use steel, aluminum and other commodity resources.
FSCK_Fascists@reddit
the fallout will last long enough for them to blame it on the next Dem.
shellmiro@reddit
And it totally won't be completely irrelevant and a waste of money in 3 years time.
sc0lm00@reddit
I'm sure it would have lasting benefit. But they'd be lucky to roll the first car off the line 3 years from now if they broke ground today.
shellmiro@reddit
Not to mention all the supply chains that would need to be re-established. There's a reason these cars aren't built here after the FTA. It's just cheaper and better to build it elsewhere.
EZKTurbo@reddit
It's a shame most American cars are terrible vehicles
sloping_wagon@reddit
Tesla is the only successful brand worldwide that is built to German levels of quality.
Ididntevenscreenlook@reddit
The amount of clapped out Altimas and model 3s is going to be on the rise.
MembershipNo2077@reddit
Horrifying, really. Teslas on bald tires are truly going to be missiles on the road.
sloping_wagon@reddit
You salty that Tesla's are faster than your cars ? 🤣🤣
ThMogget@reddit
Those are my summer racing slicks
AllTearGasNoBreaks@reddit
And winter drifting slicks
Full-Penguin@reddit
And wet weather water skis
ThMogget@reddit
Winter drifting is my favorite
ryencool@reddit
Meh, I love my rwd. Once it's out of warranty I'll get that SEXY command unt that let's you turn off traction control
Larcya@reddit
It's a shame my 2005 corvette can't use my BMW S1000RR tires.
I'd have a never ending supply of slicks.
Bascome@reddit
With combination electrical and gas fires!
AncefAbuser@reddit
~~Scud~~ Tesla missiles
Cessnaporsche01@reddit
The last few months I've been seeing clapped out 4th gen Camaros and the '90s Cavlier/Sunfire twins out in forces not seen since the mid-'00s
Shallow_wanderer@reddit
The used car market is about to get even more fucked lol
Get ready to find a clean older Toyota and hold on to it as your daily for a while
UncleBensRacistRice@reddit
I recently checked out new and used Nissan Z's. Z Performance trim is being offered at 10k off msrp, and i managed to find a 2023 Performance with 8k km on it (essentially new) for 20k off what it was new. Pretty soon these things will cost less than a new brz/86 or miata lmao
TempleSquare@reddit
I saw the election outcome in November and raced out and bought a 2021 Prius in December.
America played stupid games. Now we are about to win stupid prizes.
Accomplished-Exit136@reddit
Oh we absolutely deserve it. Not all of us but the fact its even 50/50 is embarrassing as a nation
binkerfluid@reddit
Model 3s have really dropped in price and they are decent enough cars. I would love to buy one except for the Elon stink on them.
__adlerholmes@reddit
no joke model 3s are quickly taking over that market
metallicadefender@reddit
I think this is all stupid. However I think Ford is going to clean house. Prices of cars will go through the roof
Boggie135@reddit
What is stupid?
metallicadefender@reddit
The tariffs.
gumol@reddit
doesn't Ford import a lot of cars from Canada and Mexico?
metallicadefender@reddit
I just remember Farley saying they were in a lot better position than competitors to achieve this. But could just be the CEO boasting.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Not that many in terms of overall percentage of units.
FSCK_Fascists@reddit
where do their parts to build those cars come from?
doughball27@reddit
All Canadian parts are now imports. They weren’t classified that way previously.
Your Ford is now probably less than half American made.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
My Ford is less than 20% in "domestic"/American parts.
The engine is built in Spain and I believe the transmission is built in the US. Just about everything else from cables to hoses to sensors is made in Mexico, as is the trucklet.
shellmiro@reddit
But a lot of their components are from outside the US. That increased cost will obviously be baked in to the cars.
doughball27@reddit
Your ford likely has more foreign made parts than most Hondas.
Now that Canadian parts are considered imports, the big three are utterly screwed. Probably moreso than Honda and Toyota.
metallicadefender@reddit
You might be right.
Farley said Ford was in a much better position than other Domestic brands. But he's the CEO possibly just boasting for the company.
I do like Farley generally. Im quite sure no one is a fan of the tariffs.
doughball27@reddit
and ultimately, regardless of the individual impacts that tariffs will have on the price of particular parts, tariffs inevitably crash economies and slow economic growth. so everyone is going to suffer. positioning won't really matter. it will be about who loses the least.
poopymcbumshoots@reddit
is america great yet?
fattrout1@reddit
Good ...now American manufacturers need to up their game...you know Ford and gm could produce an American made super car that could rival Lamborghini and the rest just look at what Ford was doing in the late 90s and 2,000s like the Saleen S7 it was a 200 mph super car
PBandC_NIG@reddit
This sure turned into a quality thread. Who could have seen this coming when the OP account basically does nothing but post politically charged posts across reddit.
Boggie135@reddit
?
ControlWeekly7900@reddit
Chat are we cooked?
backyardengr@reddit
Hell yeah. Euro automakers can get bent!
Boggie135@reddit
And car makers that are not European?
solo118@reddit
I bought American for the first time in like 20 years, and must say I am enjoying it!
Boggie135@reddit
Okay
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Accomplished-Exit136@reddit
Whoosh!
makingthisfor1reason@reddit
This is good for the climate then yea? I imagine this sun will enjoy the news no?
Boggie135@reddit
Good for the environment how?
jianh1989@reddit
Because of this - https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/crew-abandons-ev-ship-inferno/news-story/ab951ca0748294bd972a15204041462a?amp
Parking-Building-291@reddit
I still won’t buy an overpriced shitty American car.
Kavani18@reddit
Ok. More for me! Just say you’ve never driven an American car and move on, dude.
reddog093@reddit
My Honda was made in America with more domestic parts than an F-150. Fantastic vehicle.
__Ulfhednar__@reddit
Ofc its a fantastic vehicle. It wasn't designed by Americans
Shmokesshweed@reddit
My 2002 Accord was 70%+ American.
My 2022 Maverick is less than 20% American.
steelers3814@reddit
Yes… you bought one of the few Fords made in Mexico.
HowLongCanIMakeACock@reddit
Which one had the premium cloth again
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Accord. Maverick has the premium pleather.
AncefAbuser@reddit
Excuse you, its "ActiveX" bullshit
Drone30389@reddit
Did they really name a synthetic seating material after an ancient Microsoft web framework?
Sweet-Gushin-Gilfs@reddit
Wait until you hear about what Vegan Leather is
Shmokesshweed@reddit
My b. The only thing it actively does is make my back sweat.
AncefAbuser@reddit
LOL
Ain't that the truth.
They'd have been better off just giving ventilated cloth seats.
HowLongCanIMakeACock@reddit
Ah yes how could I forget
stav_and_nick@reddit
Funny enough, Canadian made parts are considered domestic for content rules
strawmangva@reddit
The point is to strengthen usmca and bring th supply chain back to North America not just the us
fac3@reddit
It must suck walking around being a fucking pudding head
strawmangva@reddit
what did i say wrong
Aurailious@reddit
lmao
lol even
wherewereat@reddit
punisher s2 reference?
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lee1026@reddit
But not for tariff rules.
AaminMarritza@reddit
Aren’t content rules is how tariffs are applied?
My understanding of the current rules (assuming I’m up to date...) is that USMCA compliant goods are not subject to the tariff.
Canadian autos and parts are compliant with USMCA while Mexico is not due to not meeting the minimum wage requirement in the agreement.
So Mexican parts/cars get hit with the 25% tariff but not Canadian ones.
But there are exceptions, like raw steel and aluminum will be tariffed at the insane rate of 50% even if used for car manufacturing.
mdp300@reddit
Honestly, I get it. I assume most of the Canadian auto industry is in that dangly part of Ontario right next to Detroit.
kyonkun_denwa@reddit
Alliston be like: “don’t mind me just chilling here way the fuck away from Detroit in the middle of nowhere making all your CR-Vs”
But seriously, some of the most important plants are probably located pretty far from the “dangly bit” (which is called Essex County). This was even moreso the case in the past when Oshawa was firing on all cylinders.
arkangel371@reddit
Exactly right. Been that way for multiple decades and is entirely due to the interconnectedness of our two economies.
But hey, totally better to punch a long time and most socially similar ally right in the face right?
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Bau5_Sau5@reddit
Most American truck? THE TUNDRA
spongebob_meth@reddit
Toyota trucks were a lot better when they were made in Japan.
Gregorovich@reddit
It's the Ridgeline.
Bau5_Sau5@reddit
My bad you are correct , it was a couple years ago it was the tundra
ExtruDR@reddit
Well… American designed.. and actually that isn’t really correct either. American corporate leadership-led design.
I am American, but cars designed by Americans for the American market are usually pretty horrible. Plenty of examples of cars designed by Americans that are great, but they are produced by non-American brands.
I’m sure that there is lots of crap out there in the international market, but I have found that consumers in places that either are in super developed countries have developed refined and nuanced tastes and recognize quality and a lack of quality and places that are developing are not willing to humor wasteful car designs that are also designed to be turned over every four years.
Parking-Building-291@reddit
I’m just referring to companies whose world headquarters are outside of America. Yes I’ve heard a thousand times that some Toyotas and Hondas have more domestic parts than American cars. Honda and Toyota still engineer cars that are 10 times more reliable than American cars.
avoidhugeships@reddit
That is not even close to accurate.
Winstonoil@reddit
My Honda was made in Canada, and was never available in the United States.
bstyledevi@reddit
Years ago a friend of mine was in an argument with someone about who's car was more American made, and he said "Go ahead and drive your F-150, where almost all of it's parts were made overseas, and was assembled in Mexico. I'll go drive my Toyota, which you call a 'foreign car' that was made in Tennessee."
RichardNixon345@reddit
The F-150 is assembled in Michigan or Kentucky, so your friend was an idiot.
bstyledevi@reddit
Actually he wasn't. He worked at the Ford plant, and this murdered by words moment came from him looking at the VIN of the truck that showed by the 11th digit that the truck wasn't made in America.
RichardNixon345@reddit
The first character of a VIN is the country code, not the 11th.
bstyledevi@reddit
The 11th digit shows which assembly plant it came out of.
ConsistentFatigue@reddit
They meant 1th
LastGoodKnee@reddit
So you’d rather buy an overpriced shitry foreign vehicle ?
Parking-Building-291@reddit
Honda on Toyota are much cheaper over their lifetime compared to American.
LastGoodKnee@reddit
Honda and Toyotas are often made in America so I wasn’t discussing them. I’m talking about BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Mini, Nissan etc etc
BandeFromMars@reddit
Foreign vehicles 9 times out of 10 will always be better than American vehicles, and its not like the American made garbage is any cheaper.
testthrowawayzz@reddit
Foreign brand + assembled in the brand's home country? yeah. The quality would be better.
turboash78@reddit
EVERY vehicle is overpriced.
strongmanass@reddit
What's your motivation for saying that? Mass market cars run a pretty thin profit margin. What would be a reasonable price in your opinion?
derprunner@reddit
It’s less of a statement about absolute dollar value, and more about how they sit relative to everyone’s purchasing power when compared to a decade ago.
Everything but wages have inflated massively since the pandemic and people are feeling it.
Sweet-Gushin-Gilfs@reddit
Didn’t realize it was the car manufacturers job to make sure wages don’t stagnate and inflation is kept at bay. Oh wait, it’s not.
derprunner@reddit
Sure, but it is their job to price to market conditions. That’s kind of how an economy works.
Also, absolutely nothing about my comment said it was. So maybe work on that reading comprehension before coming out swinging.
Sweet-Gushin-Gilfs@reddit
They did. They had the Fit, Yaris, Mirage, Versa, Rio, etc. they didn’t sell for shit. No one bought them. They got discontinued. People were happier taking out loans and leases in more expensive cars.
Oh look, supply and demand worked, but in a way you didn’t like
derprunner@reddit
They all got killed off 5-10 years ago in a much healthier economy than the one we have today. If I really have to explain that to you, then I don’t think there’s anything left worth saying here.
Sweet-Gushin-Gilfs@reddit
Neat. Then the manual Versa must be a hit then. The auto Versa must be the best selling car since the pandemic then. Oh wait. Nope. The manuals gone and the auto versa barely sells shit
strongmanass@reddit
I understand that. But economy cars have a net profit margin of about 5%, so there isn't much room to lower prices. It's hard to call cars overpriced in that sense. They're increasingly expensive relative to purchasing power, but they're not overpriced IMO.
derprunner@reddit
That’s fair, and tbh I think a lot of that just comes down to how loaded an economy car is today, compared to in the past. Hundreds of sensors, mandated active safety features and a mild turbo or hybrid setup to meet efficiency standards.
Very different to the 1.5L, 4-speed subcompact shitboxes of days past.
tyfe@reddit
He broke.
Hedhunta@reddit
Like 65% of Americans are broke, lol.
The average car payment is currently like 1100/mo.
Thats 13k/yr! Which is 1/3 of the Average American salary almost. Basically Americans are making house payments for cars now... and just not able to even have a house anymore, everyone just rents.
Vhozite@reddit
I hate monthly payments/subscriptions of any kind this would make me off myself
tyfe@reddit
https://www.bankrate.com/loans/auto-loans/average-monthly-car-payment/
It’s actually like $700 for new and $500 for used.
Rocklobster376@reddit
Wage stagnation
John_Sux@reddit
If you live in Denmark or Singapore or something, at least.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
The fact that a dollar is worth less with every passing day is a different problem.
Altosxk@reddit
Look at you go! Nobody tells you what to do. You're your own person--all of the famous rebels in history at grateful knowing they left rebellion as a concept in your capable hands.
Scary-Button1393@reddit
Big born after 2000 and lives in a flyover part of the US energy.
Crapitron@reddit
Could just be “annoyed at American loathing” energy.
America makes some great cars. Why is this type of comment at the top of the thread? How come we never hear “I will never buy a Chinese car assembled with wage-slaves” at the top of BYD or Xaomi threads?
mvsr990@reddit
GM Mexico just eliminated wages under $3 an hour. BYD looks to be about $2 an hour.
https://labornotes.org/2025/04/unmoved-tariff-threats-mexican-gm-workers-win-double-digit-wage-hike
derprunner@reddit
To my understanding, BYD doesn’t bang the patriotism drum at every opportunity and take shots at foreign brands as part of their marketing strategy.
Nowhere near as bad as Harley convincing their fans to call metric bikes “toys”, but it’s that same obnoxious American exceptionalism that younger generations roll their eyes at.
RichardNixon345@reddit
Nah, they just use slave labor: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8xj9jp57r2o
Crapitron@reddit
Who is doing that and where?
Do you live in China and speak Mandarin? Or are you just speculating and don’t actually know?
To my knowledge, they don’t do that either. To my knowledge Mars is filled with chocolate underneath the surface. That’s because I don’t know. And I don’t claim to.
Vhozite@reddit
I genuinely do not understand the hate for American cars on this sub. People will talk shit on the Mustang or the C8 and then turn around and praise some FWD hatchback as the greatest thing ever made.
jse000@reddit
I owned a Mustang prior to my FWD hatchback, they're both pretty great, in different ways.
Vhozite@reddit
Of course different cars are great for different reasons every car has something positive to offer. I’m just sick of ppl dismissing cars from an entire country just bc of stereotypes/superiority complex. If you did nothing but swap the badges on a GTI and a Mustang this sub wouldn’t even consider the GTI worth owning while the Mustang would be hailed as one of the greatest cars ever made.
If I said “I will never own a Japanese vehicle” I’d be downvoted to below hell
RichardNixon345@reddit
It's a mix of actual Europeans and spiritual Europeans. Reddit is full of the latter.
Altosxk@reddit
Nailed it. This sub is exactly like the rest of reddit- parroted talking points to signal to fellow redditors that they, too, have the right opinion. Only thing missing is asking why american companies don't make Mazda's and making comments about trucks being $100k as if that's the norm.
Parking-Building-291@reddit
It’s definitely my personal opinion from experience and talking to family members that I dislike American cars companies. I’ve had 3 American cars and 1 Japanese and the Japanese car was better than the American in literally every way. I have family members whose American trucks that are less than 2 years old have major problems. I want to like American cars. I’d prefer to buy a ford. But like why would I risk it?
su1ac0@reddit
I mean this thread is branched off a comment that unironically used the phrase "flyover part of the US"
They will pointedly give you all their hatred and defend cars literally made by slaves. Their opinion on you, the world, everything is null and void.
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CFH75@reddit
This made me laugh so hard!
ItsAndwew@reddit
Lol are you ok?
BetterSite2844@reddit
he's still mad that the left took away his plastic straws and made it socially unacceptable to say the n word
Free_Range_Gamer@reddit
Honestly these tariffs make me not want an American car more than ever. It is the opposite effect.
pecche@reddit
liberation day!
Dachshand@reddit
Feel free to buy any shitbox you like.
user019582961058@reddit
Cool
FlanneryODostoevsky@reddit
Yassssss queen. Lemme get a new civic si for 29k please
mfnd502@reddit
My daily is 21 years old, my backup is 30. Being dependent on new vehicles and shops to ensure you have reliable transportation is not wise.
rg25@reddit
Wow this is some big brain logic here.
dnyank1@reddit
I would argue that driving a 20-30 year old vehicle makes you more dependent on a shop to ensure you have reliable transportation than driving most* new vehicles
mfnd502@reddit
I have tools and YouTube. Neither of those are hard to come by.
John_Sux@reddit
Here's a random question. Do you eat exclusively:
A) Gray paste
B) 1960s canned rations
C) Roadkill
D) Corn you grew yourself
jse000@reddit
It's cool that you're aware of your own capability and circumstances, I'd encourage you to try to extend that awareness to people who are not you, and how things might impact them.
sri_peeta@reddit
but time is. Do what you do, no shade, but a lot do not have the time to professionally maintain their car.
zerogee616@reddit
20 and 30 year old cars and "reliable" don't go together. Parts age and wear out regardless of maintenance and unless you have some unicorn job that doesn't give a shit if you immediately need to take time off, you're even more dependent on a shop with a car that old.
Maschinenbau@reddit
Laughs in 350k mile 1995 Camry
zerogee616@reddit
Laughs in degraded rubber hoses, plastic parts and constantly tiny little nit-noid mechanisms, actuators and parts failing that are hard to get to and overall steadily degrade the car
Maschinenbau@reddit
For most cars that is true. For mid-90's Camrys, the pinnacle of plastics and rubber technology, it is not.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
That's because parts and labor cost send them to the grave. Hondas and Toyotas are a bit different, especially if you know where you should spend the money on OEM parts and what can be from eBay. And if you do your own labor.
zerogee616@reddit
Which is a luxury to even be able to do it, see above concerning having a garage to keep tools and shit in. Just about all apartment complexes actively forbid any kind of maintenance (enforcement is obviously case by case but the environment starting off isn't good) and people who live like that generally don't own the tools to do it.
Keeping project cars and old cars on the road is a luxury available only to those with a garaged SFH.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Definitely a tough thing to do, no doubt. I am lucky that I live near two self service garages that charge something like $45 an hour for a lift and tools.
AmericanExcellence@reddit
do you and your brother not maintain your cars, so that they don't end up "in the shop"?
i have this funny habit of keeping up with maintenance, so the parts in my old car that need replaced get replaced before they fail.
zerogee616@reddit
Meant to say under maintenance, same deal, and I addressed it already.
TurboSalsa@reddit
For a variety of reasons, this is not a practical solution for 95% of Americans.
stav_and_nick@reddit
It's been a real pain in Ontario; supply chains have been integrated between Ontario and the Great Lakes states since the invention of the automobile. It feels like it came right out of left field that Current Man has a problem with us
Hustletron@reddit
Your leadership has been pushing that. Not entirely unexpected, IMO.
-insignificant-@reddit
Pushing what?
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QTom01@reddit
He dreams of expansionism like his idol Putin. Making Americans angry at Canada is how it starts.
razeus@reddit
Say hello to higher prices!
SchemeShoddy4528@reddit
tariffs work? woah
Acceptable-Studio-52@reddit
Pi
Tiny-Criticism-86@reddit
Was thinking of getting a new car. Guess I'm stuck with my shitboxfor a few more years lol
binkerfluid@reddit
I guess we are buying American or used for the time being.
Excellent-Pitch-7579@reddit
Too bad all we make here are trucks and SUVs
Gan-san@reddit
Wait, what? Because that's what the market demands? Should they continue to build unprofitable models that have to be sold with heavy incentives for Reddit clout?
Excellent-Pitch-7579@reddit
Just because trucks and SUVs are popular doesn’t mean everyone wants to drive one. 2 of the big 3 don’t even make cars anymore. So either you have to buy a Chrysler or pay lots more for an import because of tariffs. People shouldn’t be forced to make that choice.
peakdecline@reddit
Not all sedans are made outside the US.
Toyota has a Camry and Corolla plants in the US, Honda makes.... nearly everything stateside.
RiceIsBliss@reddit
Does that mean they'll bypass the tariffs?
peakdecline@reddit
The same as anything made in North America, basically... if its USMCA-compliant the tariff has been delayed. Which basically covers most all sold-in-the-US Camrys, Corollas, Civics, Accords, and Sentras... those are the top 5 best selling sedans in the US.
Corolla and Civic have some portion made in Canada... so if that delay is removed some portion will be impacted. Though still a large portion of them sold in the US are made in the US.
dnyank1@reddit
"nobody buys sedans anymore" yet 5 of the best selling nameplates last year were just that.
Say what you will but the American brands refusal to offer... what was it Iacocca called them? Small cars people want and can afford?
Yeah, those. I guess the Trax sort of counts, but the Maverick sure doesn't now.
Anyway, we've seen this all play out before. 1973 says hi.
peakdecline@reddit
What statistics are you looking at? Global?
There's only 2 sedans in the top 10 best selling models in the US. And 5 total in the top 25.
I'm not sure global sales figures matter in this discussion. I don't think the Big 3, or really Ford and GM because that's whose killed sedans globally, care that much at this point about global sales.
dnyank1@reddit
is disproved by
thanks for your contribution
peakdecline@reddit
That stat makes your position weak. Not support it. You also completely ignored how the sales numbers of all of those sedans are down significantly from their peaks.
dnyank1@reddit
How many trucks are in the top 25? 6.
I'm just saying there's plenty of room for sedan sales in the USA. It does NOT help that the product category is stagnant with aged, underwhelming interiors, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy and you know it
peakdecline@reddit
But that's just not true. The Camry is brand new. The Accord was new for 2023. The Civic just got its mid-cycle refresh. The Corolla is due soon. They're as current as everything else.
And more... no that take is not remotely supported by the data. The number of sedan options has significantly decreased... yet sales numbers for those models like the Camry, Corolla, Accord, and Civic have all gone down for those models. If your opinion was right then the Camry should be selling at its peak figures... but its not remotely close to it.
Its not a self-fulfilling prophecy. Its just the damn reality of the market. You're ignorant of the numbers AND have the options in the market. Which is also hilariously typical of people with your take. Trying to claim the sedans are particularly old is just bold face ignorance.
Gan-san@reddit
They didn't refuse to offer them, "you" just refused to buy them so they stopped. It's as simple as that.
dnyank1@reddit
bit of a chicken-egg, but like specifically no? At least when the product was even halfway competent. The Bolt EV's best selling year on record was it's last.
But blaming the buyer for not buying... A malibu? a ford fusion?
Those products were hot garbage compared to Toyota, Honda, euro imports and just as HKG finally got their act together - NMAC entered their dark-subprime era up to sweep up all the remaining crumbs.
Gan-san@reddit
Hot garbage. K. So they stopped. Rather than invest billions to change the mind of experts like you that think their product is hot garbage.
Nissan announced they were killing the Altima. Now what?
dnyank1@reddit
it's the versa that's nissan's sedan leader. bye
Gan-san@reddit
Theyre killing both genius. What does it matter which one the leader is if they aren't making money selling them.
dnyank1@reddit
specifically no https://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/sentra-2026
for someone with such conviction, you sure don't have your facts even halfway right
Gan-san@reddit
I said versa and Altima, that's a Sentra. You can't be this dumb
peakdecline@reddit
All of the models you named are below their historic peak figures in the US.
The Ford Fusion was losing sales even when it was in the middle of its best reviewed years and absolutely competitive.
The Toyota Camry saw a small increase in sales last year... its still down nearly 150K units from its peak in the US.
The Bolt EV is being replaced.
Chinese cars are the beneficiary of slave labor, frankly. You can buy that, if you want, but I will not. And the US brands are aware they're NEVER going to have that same type of "benefit". There was fundamentally no way they could compete in that segment globally against labor that is a fraction of a fraction of what they have to pay.
They made the correct pivot. It makes sense for their business.
MumpsyDaisy@reddit
If they wanted reddit clout they'd just make the smuggest "Erm, well, actually" posts they could muster for free
LastGoodKnee@reddit
No one is buying cars anyway
HardLithobrake@reddit
I love growing up and having everything I hoped to one day have stripped away one by one.
Big-Eldorado@reddit
Ya like freedom, security, justice, comfort
Those things you’ll miss the most. A solid deal on a bmw will be last on your list of things you’ll miss
HardLithobrake@reddit
Don't forget the nice to haves: a family, kids, a home, etc.
You got the bottom of Maslow's hierarchy down. In some ways and in some places, we're already there.
FtDetrickVirus@reddit
Hey cool it
themotoman91@reddit
How about we sell the ones we have first?
CertifiedAngler@reddit
I won’t be able to pick up a Pontiac GTO for under 20k or a s2k just because some orange dumbass fucked the entire car industry in the ass.
motorik@reddit
We fast-tracked getting a new car last September assuming the mouth-breathers would put Shitler back in office and there would be tariffs.
Apical-Meristem@reddit
We will all be coveting that last new Chrysler 200 sitting in the lot for 700 days.
Rude_Thought_9988@reddit
Good riddance.
jse000@reddit
Haha yeah fuck everyone who needs a car so pretty much fuck everyone 🦅🦅🦅
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Mather_Fakker@reddit
Big brain moment
ViveIn@reddit
This will most certainly improve the used care market prices... hah!!!
XpoH@reddit
oh no, what happened???
pursuer_of_simurg@reddit
Just yesterday people were talking about how EU was killing its car industry because of emission regulations and stuff.
Well you guys will have coal and V8s at least I guess.
dalittle@reddit
my eggs are not cheaper.
MetaTrombonist@reddit
Sure, but now you get the salmonella included for free.
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... can't imagine why....
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