Thoughts on similarities between Arabic and Turkish?
Posted by BabylonianWeeb@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 268 comments
Posted by BabylonianWeeb@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 268 comments
RationalPoster1@reddit
There are more similarities between Arabic and Hebrew.
Big-Conversation6393@reddit
I think turkish people would be triggered by watching this video
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
They are already fuming claiming that turkish is as distant as english lol as if they do not follow the same religion as if their imams dont pray in arabic as if they have not interacted and lived under same empires for centuries nope just some very distant random coincidence
xpain168x@reddit
Their religion is quiet different actually. For example arabs may marry their young daughters with people who are more than 60 years old. In Turkey this was not done even in Ottoman times. It was fucking forbidden.
Even though both believe Islam. Anatolian Islam differs from Arabic Islam. Even if they are both Sunnis.
kutup_yildizii@reddit
no i am not
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
No ayem not gaco
moneyman956@reddit
Stick to pasta mario.
LastHomeros@reddit
Why would they? They have a rich cultural background indicating their long history.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Many of them are already triggering in the comment section
Thalassophoneus@reddit
It's not uncommon for unrelated languages to have similar words. French and English have countless similar words but they are still of different families.
RemorseAndRage@reddit
There are many Greek words in Turkish as well such as: yoğurt γιαούρτι (yaourti) yogurt makarna μακαρόνια (makaronia) pasta pamuk πάμποκος (pampokos, via Arabic) cotton şemsiye σεμπρέλα (sempréla, umbrella) umbrella balık βαλικός (balikos - old dialectical use) fish taverna ταβέρνα (taverna) tavern fener φανάρι (fanári) lantern/lighthouse liman λιμάνι (limáni) port, harbor
enigmasi@reddit
Yogurt is Turkish, macaroni is Italian, pamuk is Persian, şemsiye is arabic, I’m not sure about the rest
takemetovenusonaboat@reddit
Bruh the whole country is greek origin. Name one city founded by Turks.
enigmasi@reddit
Greeks founded cities mostly on the Aegean and Mediterranean coasts, the rest of Anatolia, and native Anatolian people were hellenized by time.
takemetovenusonaboat@reddit
And they were Greeks for thousands of years who were already genetically similar to Greeks.
I'm literally just asking for one city founded by Turks in all of anatolia. Surely there is one.
Gman1907@reddit
Most of Anatolia residents origins were Phrygians and Hittites, so no, the world doesn't revolve around you
enigmasi@reddit
no, they were not
Kitsooos@reddit
I am sick of saying this. Makaroni comes from the greek verb "μακαρίζω / makarizo" which means "to moarn" , because they used to eat them in funerals in ancient Greece.
Snoo-in-Snow@reddit
what the hell is even moarn? you mean mourn? I thought makarizo means i wish for smth (with good connotations) and not mourning
Feyk-Koymey@reddit
yoğurt is greek? yoğur- means knead, yoğurt means kneaded. its not greek, its one of word ozturkish.
RemorseAndRage@reddit
It's still a controversial word.
Yunanistan77@reddit
Not Greek. Sorry.
mwa12345@reddit
Phew
Feyk-Koymey@reddit
never.
mwa12345@reddit
Wait . Yogurt and taverna are Greek origin? And taverna is fish? WTF ...
Jnyl2020@reddit
Balık is Turkic as well wtf
Eldanosse@reddit
I would've opened with 'namus', continue with 'polis', 'politika', 'burgaz', 'lakerda', 'kopil', 'mare - mari - mara - ma - bre - breh'.
genophobicdude@reddit
Yoğurt is not Greek you traitorous scum.
Nailedit07@reddit
i think thats a different case but sure
datnub32607@reddit
French and English is probably the worst example there because about 1000 years ago the French took over England, meaning the upper classes all spoke French, meaning English has evolved since then to be really really French.
levenspiel_s@reddit
French and English are both indo-european languages, so is Greek and Persian, all in the same family.
But Turkish and Arabic are completely different, no relationship at all beyond (tons of) loan words.
Top-Occasion-2539@reddit
Also, Indo-European languages have a lot of words that are not loaned but have the same root.
E.g., Persian "-stan" is relative to English "stand" or to Slavic "stan" (a place where people or army stay)
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
Maybe like a 500+ years of interaction and living under the same states
Significant-Secret88@reddit
They don't really come from different families, English vocabulary is half germanic (e.g. freedom) and half latin (e.g. liberty). All the words that come from Latin have commonalities between English and French, as they share the same origin.
Former_Friendship842@reddit
Turkish is about as related to Arabic as German is to Arabic -- meaning not at all. Completely different language families.
The only similarities are loanwords.
Snoo-in-Snow@reddit
kalem is arabic and not greek?
Former_Friendship842@reddit
Nope. Please do 5 seconds of research:
Etymology 1 edit
Inherited from Ottoman Turkish قلم (kalem), from Arabic قَلَم (qalam), from Ancient Greek κάλαμος (kálamos). Doublet of kalamar.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/kalem
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
As an Arab native speaker, this isn't a good comparison at all, before learning i didn't recognize a single word, I don't speak Turkish but when I always hear it I recognize a couple of Arabic words unlike English wich sounds completely for foreign for Arabs.
jebac_keve_finalboss@reddit
Turkish is a Turkic language. Arabic is Semitic, Turkish is closer to Finnish or Hungarian than to Arabic and and Arabic is closer to Hebrew than it is to Turkish, the languages are completely unrelated and belong to two very different language families.
superminer0506@reddit
That's true. It's just that Turks started using many Arabic words before for some reason and now we got similarities.
UnbiasedPashtun@reddit
But are you aware that the reason for this is because Turkish borrowed words from Arabic and these words weren't originally there in Turkic?
Former_Friendship842@reddit
It's a perfectly good comparison.
I explained what the perceived similarities are -- shared loanwords.
The languages themselves aren't related. Completely separate language families. Remember, Turkish or Turkix originates from central/east Asia and Arabic from Arabia.
-Mystikos@reddit
Turks literally say full blown Arabic words every day like Tamam and Marhaba. English not even close bud
Former_Friendship842@reddit
Nope, portakal is Ottoman Turkish, borrowed from Italian/Greek:
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%BE%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%84#Ottoman_Turkish
You should look up what "loanwords" and "language family" means. None of what you said means they are related languages.
Also, only 6% of Turkish vocabulary is Arabic:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_vocabulary
-Mystikos@reddit
Who here said Turkish and Arabic are related? I speak multiple languages i understand the basics of language families
While we're on the subject though Turkish was written and read in the Arabic alphabet for centuries, much longer than it wasn't.
I dont even speak Arabic, I'm Greek
Former_Friendship842@reddit
??????
Then why would you bring up Turkish has more Arabic loanwords than English has in response to my comment saying they are not related? Especially since I already acknowledged Turkish has more Arabic loanwords even before you commented?
And? What point are you making? Do you also think Turkish is somehow Latin or connected to Latin in a meaningful way since it now uses the Latin script?
-Mystikos@reddit
I dont remember if it was you or someone else but it was mentioned that English was just a much related to Arabic as Turkish is and that's just simply false. Majority of Turkish culture is based on Arabian/Middle Eastern culture, food, religion, traditions, music and daily use words are shared.
My argument was that English is way further away from Arabic than Turkish, and that really can't be argued it's a fact
Former_Friendship842@reddit
It's not. Turkish is a Turkic language and Arabic is Semitic and Afri-Asiatic. The two are completely unrelated.
??? Even if that was true, we are talking about language and not culture. And I already told you only 6% of Turkish words are of Arabic origin. And again, having loanwords doesn't mean the languages are related.
Completely wrong. English is Indo-European
-Mystikos@reddit
You keep highlighting how different Arabic is to Turkish for some reason as if I dont understand that, we're talking about English vs Turkish compared to Arabic, Turkish is much closer to Arabic and culture has to be included in this argument because language is part of culture
Is Iranian closer to English or Arabic? I understand it's also indo-european but anyone with 2 pairs of ears will realize how much closer Iranian is to Arabic than English is
Going about this based on textbook definition of language families is not practical or realistic. I understand you might be the scientific type that only believes in defined textbook documents, but comparing similarities in languages goes deeper than that. Have you been to Turkey and to the Middle east? Just curious
Jnyl2020@reddit
Lol of course Iranian us much closer to English than Arabic. They are in the same language family. Indo-European.
Two languages using a similar script and you don't understand neither of them doesn't make them similar.
Former_Friendship842@reddit
You are the one insisting Arabic and Turkish have this deep connection that is simply not there. Nothing I said was factually incorrect.
Relatedness of languages has an actual definition, it's not vibes based as you seem to think it is. Language relatedness means are their language families connected in some way and do they share a known common ancestor. The answer to that is no.
The ONLY similarities in the languages are the loanwords, which I acknowledged in my original comment.
Then go ahead and ask the average Persian if they have a harder time learning English or learning Arabic. The basic grammar between English and Iranian are extremely similar, whereas Arabic is completely alien. Persian is muuuuuuuuuuuuch closer to English than to Arabic.
According to who? Your vibes?
-Mystikos@reddit
Dude you can't be serious, I live in Cyprus i interact with Arabs, Turks, Iranians and Greeks on a daily basis. You're trying to tell me Iranian is muuuuch closer to English than Arabic when they literally use the Arabic alphabet, can read Arabic, have tons of if not the most amount of Arabic loan words on the planet (other than maltese) literally 20% of Iranians speak Arabic and the 2 cultures have been next to each other for thousands of years in history.
I will just leave it hear because you're not seeming to understand the practical concept I'm trying to get out, nobody from this part of the world would say Iranian is closer to english than it is to Arabic, even my Iranian friends would agree
Former_Friendship842@reddit
I can also read Vietnamese since they use the Latin script. Does that mean English is related to Latin and English?
Are you acting obtuse on purpose? again, loan words have nothing to do with relatedness. And this ignores the fact the core of Persian vocabulary is Indo-European and shares significant lexical overlap with English and other IE words. Not to mention the grammar.
Go ahead and ask your Persian friends who have studied both Arabic and English. Shoot a video if you like and ask them what language they find easier to learn. I guarantee all of them will say English.
I'm happy to be proven wrong.
-Mystikos@reddit
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English is the easiest language on the planet period, that's a weak argument. My Iranian friends speak Arabic, Turkish and Greek and have a hard time with English so I communicate with them in Greek so they would disagree with you
We're not getting anywhere here man, I completely disagree with what you're saying because you're not factoring in the culture and history.
Romanians that move to my country learn Greek in record speed and speak it perfectly, yet their languages are not related at all (especially Cypriot Greek, arguably the hardest version of modern spoken Greek on the planet) how easy a language is to learn does not at all mean that it's more relative to your native language. History, culture and common words are huge indicators of relativity in languages and you are ruling these things out which I dont agree with and many others from this part of the world wouldn't either
Former_Friendship842@reddit
I thought you were leaving? Why are you still here? Let me leave instead. Bye!
-Mystikos@reddit
Ah, I bring logical and real world examples and you run away. Have a good day sir
Former_Friendship842@reddit
Oooh, now bro is suddenly turning quiet. Must have been quite embarrassing to make such a massive and basic error while acting like you know anything about language relatedness?🤣🤣🤣
-Mystikos@reddit
You got issues man lol, you're the one that ran off as soon as I brought real world experience and evidence into the conversation. What else do you want me to say you said Bye? Are you well sir?
Former_Friendship842@reddit
Ohhh, someone's mad. Downvoting comments because that's all you have left, huh?
Romanian is related to Greek. They are Indo-European languages. Your "real world" examples are based on a lie.
And your Persian "example" is nonsensical. You say English is easy anyway so that doesn't prove anything, but your Persian friends still struggle with English? Do you not see how obviously made your comment sounds?
-Mystikos@reddit
It's easy to say anything through a screen my guy, Greek is not related to any language whatsoever you don't speak it so you wouldn't know but the only closest language any linguists have compared to Greek is Albanian, and even that is far off since I Albanians live here too and I speak with them about languages
You can say it's made up, but believe it or not a lot of middle eastern people struggle with English, maybe because it's too easy and the lack of formal rules, or the random things that make no sense that only people born into English understand
You have nothing to say when I have real world evidence, that goes further than books and articles. Like wtf dude Arabic is like so deeply engraved into Iranian culture and you're trying to say English is closer to Iranian than Arabic is lol...
I'll show my Iranian friends this later after work they'll have a laugh
Former_Friendship842@reddit
Stopped reading after the first sentence.
Greek is an Indo-European language, like Romanian. They are related.
https://www.uottawa.ca/about-us/official-languages-bilingualism-institute/clmc/international-perspective/canadian-bilingualism/indo-european-family
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_language_family
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Indo-European-languages
This conversation is over. You are illiterate when it comes to linguistics.
Feel free to block me.
-Mystikos@reddit
Dude you are so over your head, Greek is not at all related to Romanian, Greek is not related in any way to any other language
Roman is a Latin language or italic, Greek is hellenic and it's called a proto indo europesn language for a reason. Latin languages borrowed some things from Greek, but the grammar and philosophy of the two are completely different.
Keep looking shit up on the internet since that's all you're good for, while I actually practice and experience these cultures in real life
I speak 4 languages fluently, how many do you speak Mr expert?
Former_Friendship842@reddit
Romanian is related to Greek. They are both Indo-European languages. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and I wasted my time talking to you.
basedfinger@reddit
doesn't portakal literally come from portugal?
Former_Friendship842@reddit
The word literally means citrus fruit of Portugal.
svxae@reddit
dumbest video i've seen recently
Jiang_1926_toad@reddit
Turks are araps
RemorseAndRage@reddit
Cloanks@reddit
you succesfuly got rage baited
RemorseAndRage@reddit
Rage is a word used to describe the feeling of being frustrated or getting angry. I just posted an image that proves his claim to be wrong.
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
His “claim” was obviously a joke yet you took it seriously as you got offended and invested time into “disproving” him
RemorseAndRage@reddit
Not really. I don't care what others think but it's fun to reply trolls on Reddit.
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
You seem to be having so much fun
RemorseAndRage@reddit
It's not that serious🥀
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
Definitely btw using of rose emoji is also very popular with arabs
RemorseAndRage@reddit
Doesn't matter. But if you ask me why I used this emoji, it is a TikTok trend.
Cloanks@reddit
This is a common thing in those 2..4u subreddits they tell turks "arap" which means arab in turkish to piss them of
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
Not that hard when they already start fuming when they hear the word arab xd
superminer0506@reddit
No Turks are Chinese
Nah0_0m@reddit
Both of them will die of old age because the video ends
Equivalent_Level6267@reddit
There's no structural similarity between Turkish and Arabic. Turkish has many Arabic loanwards, and in return Arabic has many Turkish loanwards. Especially the dialects of Arabic (less so formal Arabic). I speak levantine Arabic and the number of Turkish loanwords that are in our day to day speech is noteworthy.
babayaga10001001@reddit
STOPPP POSTING ABOUT TURKEY WE DONT CARE
theBahir@reddit
It's called loanwords not similarities. Every language has them.
thepulloutmethod@reddit
No you are Arabs, end of discussion.
ictp42@reddit
We're not Arabs, everyone is Turk
etheeem@reddit
r/WeAreAllTurks
MemesterKebab@reddit
Drive-by ahh ragebait
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
When you guys get triggered by a shared vocabulary video, you kinda deserve to be triggered get over your arab hate
MemesterKebab@reddit
Certainly not triggered, no Turk here was
mortismatis@reddit
Most European languages have close to zero with Arabic. You seem to have a lot and to be very upset about it.
levenspiel_s@reddit
We do have a lot, mostly carried by religion, but our languages are completely different.
Most European languages are also full of Arabic loan words, but you are just not smart enough to realize them.
Ok-Demand8957@reddit
Meanwhile, Maltese which is an Arabic dialect.
Abigail_Blyg@reddit
That’s not true, but also Turkey was in a much closer proximity to arabs and interacted with them much more.
the_nochka@reddit
Algorithm, alcohol, algebra, admiral, albatros, alchemy/ chemistry - just off the top of my head. Those words are used by most European languages, but some, like Spanish has have many more.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
That's not true, Spanish, Italian (especially Sicilian dialect). Portuguese and some French dialects have a lot of Arabic loanwords, although they are nowhere close to Turkish in terms of Arabic loanwords.
There's also Maltese, which is basically an offshoot of Arabic.
RasputinXXX@reddit
Who is upset? Are we reading the same sentences? Why u assume anyone would be upset about some facts?
samodamalo@reddit
What do you mean? They’re not Semitic, but many words have arab origins, or at least came with the Arabs through Italy and Spain. Even Arabs have ancient loan works from Persian and Ancient Greek
Hour_Tomatillo5105@reddit
lol did she think this was cute?
We need to remove all loanwords and keep it purely Turkic.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Okay then start with Merhaba.
superminer0506@reddit
Raki/rakija
Inside-Equipment-559@reddit
Esenlikler.
basedfinger@reddit
I'm sorry but if anyone says this in unironic conversation, I'll think that they're a pretentious twat.
Inside-Equipment-559@reddit
You're right, but it's kinda funny that thinking Turkish language even don't have enough traits to create it's own saluting way. They is some ways to avoid "Merhaba" or "Selam" like "Kolay gelsin", "Nasıl gidiyor" or "İyi günler". These are totally valid and won't let cause any social weirdness.
I don't have any trouble with saying "Selam" and it's my favorite way to saluting. However, Turkish is much more rich than the Arabic loanwords.
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
There may be alternatives or not some of them do not have alternatives that are commonly used. Its a reality that Turks subscribe to an abrahamic religion for centuries and this religion is primarily in arabic. Furthermore arabs and turkd lived under the same states, and were neighbours frequently interacting for centuries. To go ahead and claim that Turkish has nothing to do with Arabic language and say its as close as English is, is ridiculous, childish and ignorant.
KingsGuardTR@reddit
Diler.
samodamalo@reddit
Nationalism is really frying people’s brains
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
There is a group of ultra Turkish nationalist online who hate everything due to the Middle East, to the point many of them support Israel's genocide of Palestinians out of spite for Arabs.
Stunning_Bid5872@reddit
Tiny brain who thought western cultures are the best, the fun fact is, when the economy and peace of an region keeps growing up and getting better, everything gets better, even the freedom, the same vice verse.
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
Its some reddit brainrot
basedfinger@reddit
the funny thing is, i'm old enough to remember back in 2015-17 when those same edgy breed of "secular nationalists" used to lionize nazi germany. like, i know a shitton of hardcore kemalists who'd go around saying that hitler was just "misunderstood" after they read mein kampf, and literally every single one of them later became a diehard israel supporter after october 7th.
Crazy-Leading-9795@reddit
Nobody lionized h*tler. Her yeri kendi kenar mahalle meslek lisen mi sandın yavrum?
basedfinger@reddit
10 kişi falan tanıdım öyle amk, çok yaygın olmasalarda vardılar.
gk98s@reddit
Oha knk çok fazlaymis 10 15 kisi biz milletçe naziymisiz ozaman
basedfinger@reddit
Milletçe Naziyiz demedim ki, sözlerimi çarpıtma
gk98s@reddit
🤡🤡
basedfinger@reddit
tamam milloş
Crazy-Leading-9795@reddit
h*tler köpeğini övüp kendilerine Kemalist demeleri tam beyinsizlik. Serbest piyasa komünisti demek gibi bir şey bu. Hiçbir anlamı yok yani. Kemaliste falan denk gelmemişsin. 10-15 mala denk gelmişsin sadece, geçmiş olsun.
RemorseAndRage@reddit
You seem to have more posts related to Turkey than your own country. And the news you share make the Palestine-Israel conflict look like Israel wasn't affected by the war negatively at all which is a biased view.
Crazy-Leading-9795@reddit
He abuses all subs. On r/Turkey he shared a video of syrian arabs on the border BEFORE EID to make it seem as if they were leaving for good. Everybody knows they do this every year to visit their relatives. Incredibly deceptive.
iggypop657@reddit
Turks get more based by the second. At this point I'm gonna fly a Türkiye and a Pan-Turanist flag in the middle of Belgrade.
NE MUTLU TÜRK'ÜM DİYENE
BekanntesteZiege@reddit
Everyone has that phase in adolescence where they purge foreign words from their vocabulary in Turkey. It's a good thing since Turkish is a very regular and orderly language and all the loanwords do is add exceptions, and Turkish words sound much nicer than the arabic loanwords most of the time.
basedfinger@reddit
this is a disordered way of thinking lol. every language, except for maybe a few that are spoken by isolated tribes, has loanwoards. liguistic purism is pure brainrot and is rooted in fascism.
basedfinger@reddit
you sound like the type of person who'd have a problem with arabic numerals being taught in schools.
Weeeii_@reddit
There is no similarity between arabic and turkish. Completely different families and completely different structures.
The video here literally says “Common words” at the start. All languages have loanwords, this does not make them similar.
If loanwords made languages similar, then french would be the closest language to Turkish after Arabic since Arabic only has 0.5-0.8% more loanwords than french in Turkish language.
So, lets ask; Is french close to Turkish? F*ck no.
Also most of these words here are not even original arabic words. Most of them are loanwords from older/different languages.
If I see another arab in reddit claiming that Turkish is “fake arabic” or “turkish is a language derived from arabic” or “Turkish is a similar language to arabic” I’m gonna lose my mind.
superminer0506@reddit
I'm Tunisian and we have many words from Italian and French and Spanish, well that doesn't make us a romance language. Same is said with Turkish and Arabic, you have similar words but that doesn't make Turkish related to Arabic.
Top-Occasion-2539@reddit
Look at this
Arabic: sukar English: sugar
Wow, these languages are so similar 😍🥰
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
English borrowed it from Arabs and Arabs borrow it from Middle Persian.
Kanmogtun@reddit
The word itself is a wonderword, though. It is originally a Sumerian word, which spread to whole world.
Top-Occasion-2539@reddit
More likely this word has Persian/Indian origins
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Not true, I studied Sumerian (yeah, I have life), and I can say there's no such word.
LoudThinker2pt0@reddit
I’m only going to believe you because you admitted that you had no life. As a matter of fact, I respect that so much, I’m just going to take your statement as fact and am not gonna google it.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Don't like leaving the house, people here are toxic and abusive as a fuck, if it weren't for gaming and anime, I would have killed myself a long time ago.
neljudskiresursi@reddit
It seems like toxic people are inside the house too
DB-601A@reddit
not really necessary, how about adding some positivity into the world.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
My family? Yes, they were supporting Isis at one point until they started killing Sunnis.
duschaan@reddit
I love Isis! Check it out https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_IbGAE1pHaQ
LoudThinker2pt0@reddit
Yeah, people have been through a lot. We have a lot of that in the Balkans as well, depending on the country. It creates a lot of people who are constantly on edge, internally. Sumerian and ancient Babylon is an interesting as fuck topic. I’m scared of Sumerian, though. 😂 It was a plot point in a horror movie. The Fourth Kind (2009). Amazing movie, would recommend.
BekanntesteZiege@reddit
he is right, it's from the sanskrits.
Top-Occasion-2539@reddit
How would it stop me from producing thoughts on similarities between English and Arabic?
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
They are nowhere common as Turkish. When i hear Turkish being spoken, I can understand some of it. It's not the same as with English.
DranzerKNC@reddit
Spanish is on par with Turkish when it comes to Arabic loanwords and note that Spain is not Muslim.
Turkish is extremely hard language to learn for any person whose language not related to Ural-Altay language family so I really doubt you understand Turkish at some degree.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Nope, I tried learning Spanish, and it's not even close. The Arabic loanwords in Spanish have evolved to the point that they are unrecognizable for Arabic speakers, unlike Turkish, where I can still recognize them even though I haven't learned Turkish.
BekanntesteZiege@reddit
Most arabic loanwords in Turkish are legalese and some basic greetings, the latter causing arabs to think Turkish is easy or a closer language. In reality no, Arabic is the third in number of loanwords after French and Persian and this despite all the legalese words taken from Mecelle.
Significant-Secret88@reddit
One example for you: zaytoun > aceituna (the c in aceituna is pronounced like the z in zaytoun)
DranzerKNC@reddit
Recognizing and understanding is not same thing. As a Turk I don’t even understand most of the other Turkic languages although they are all directly related like except Azerbaijan, Tatar and Gagauz Turkish.
Top-Occasion-2539@reddit
You want to say you hadn't recognised words like computer, or marketing, or tourist in English before you learned it?
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Nope, we don't have these words in Arabic
Computer = Hasebe (it's also the same words for calculator
Marketing = Taswiq
Tourism = (Seyaha)
mwa12345@reddit
Wow. So many down votes. Ignorant MoFos
The wiki even says the sugar was introduced by Arabs to Sicily, Spain
The original word started in India/Iran .
Maybe a good reminder that sugar cane likely doesn't grow in England
AbuserOfSubstances@reddit
Yeah we borrow a lot of words
Former_Friendship842@reddit
And Arabs borrowed it from Persians, who borrowed it from Indians. Sugar is of Sanskrit origin.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
That's true, It comes from the word sanskrit "Sarkara", but it had completely different meaning. In sanskrit, it meant "gravel" or "grit", Arabs were the first ones to use it for "sugar".
Former_Friendship842@reddit
No, it already referred to sugar in Middle Persian, which is the basis for the Arabic word.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C5%A1kl#Middle_Persian
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
You're i stand corrected
levenspiel_s@reddit
Turkish has a ton of Arabic loan words, but you can make the same video, much longer ones with English/Italian/French/Persian vs Turkish, and they're completely unrelated to Turkish. Just like Arabic is.
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
Completely unrelated would be a language that doesn’t share loanwords phrases sayings or other linguistic aspects.
levenspiel_s@reddit
There is no such a language except maybe one's in deep Amazon's or new guinea.
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
True thats why maybe you should not say completely
pdonchev@reddit
The missing link is Persian. Persian and Arabic have long and intertwined relation, despite being of different language families. In fact, the first grammar book for Arabic is written by a Persian scholar. When Turks came to Anatolia and the Near East, they inherited a rich history of Greek and Persian dominated culture. As they were Muslim, Persian had a much bigger impact linguistically (because of the books).
RemorseAndRage@reddit
There is not a significant similarity. Only 6% of words in Turkish are of Arabic origin. There are 4.7% French, 1.3% Persian, 0.6% Italian, 0.5% English and 0.9% other foreign words. 85.9% of words are of Turkic origin.
TurkicWarrior@reddit
The Turkish you referring is the standardised form of Turkish. If you include everyday Turkish speech, it’s definitely higher percentages especially Arabic and Persian. Many of the supposed replaced Arabic words and Persian words are still in used by everydayTurkish speakers.
RemorseAndRage@reddit
No, not really. I don't use any Arabic or Persian word unless there is no Turkic origin equivalent of it. Also, we use much more English words. Everyone uses "selfie" word instead of "özçekim"
TurkicWarrior@reddit
The word selfie is commonly used across everyone who uses social media regardless of what language you speak. Even Arabs themselves uses the word selfie.
But I still stand what I said. The percentages of Arabic and Persians will be much higher if we exclude standard Turkish.
Merhaba comes from Arabic itself.
RemorseAndRage@reddit
No, I say "iyi günler" instead.
TurkicWarrior@reddit
Girl, you are ridiculous. Maybe it’s because you’re young and lives in an echo chamber. Now how do you say “Thank you”.?
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
Its just reddit. Totally disconnected from the reality of their country. They learned to see anything middle east as something bad due to decades of nato propaganda and now they are we are white people fan boys as if being a barbarian coloniser is a good thing. Its delusional here with these comments
the_boerk@reddit
"Sağ ol"
Zaknafein-dour_den@reddit
What Iraqi doing in balkan page? Don’t you have page like saddam or something?
kerobob@reddit
Says the Turk.
Cloanks@reddit
ignore this guy
kerobob@reddit
What are Turks doing in Balkan subs? Shouldn't there be a middle east one?
notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit
The middle east one is filled with turks and israelis its the worst sub i have ever had the displeasure of being in
Cloanks@reddit
Bro i replied to you and said ignore this guy(the guy u replied)
Also this is ironic the word balkan is turkish
riquelm@reddit
hahaha in Montenegro we use word "hajvan" for someone who is a jerk, a bad person
RegionSignificant977@reddit
govedo.
enderowski@reddit
in Turkish too but its animal too
Kalypso_95@reddit
We use it in Greek for someone who's stupid or naive
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Arabs use it that way
Yamanbori@reddit
Even though they are the same words, the Turkish pronunciation of the words sounds better and softer.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
There's a lot of sounds in Arabic that don't exist in Turkish like خ ح ق ث ذ ظ ط ص ض ء
fyate@reddit
arabic has only 2-3 vowels, but turkish has 8 vowels
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
6 vowels *
fyate@reddit
there are 3 (a, i, u)
sounds doesnt matter, there are also 2 different sounds in Turkish, a and â, but they are shown as one vowel letter for example
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Bro teaching my native langauge.....
fyate@reddit
tamam kardeşim.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Tamam? That's an Arabic word lmao
fyate@reddit
so? the word alchol is also arabic, but you can only make molotof cocktails with it
BekanntesteZiege@reddit
oof
fyate@reddit
Noldu
UnbiasedPashtun@reddit
Arabic has around 6 vowels.
fyate@reddit
there are 3 (a, i, u)
UnbiasedPashtun@reddit
There are three letters to represent vowels, but one letter can represent different sounds. For example, the letter ‹و› can represent both the [o] and [u] sounds. And the zammah diacritic represents the [ʊ] sound (a distinct letter for it doesn't exist). You just have to know which vowel to use by context and being familiar with the word.
fyate@reddit
Ok, there are 2 different sounds in Turkish, a and â, but they are shown as one vowel letter
nothing has changed, I am not interested in the subtleties of the arabic alphabet, I only know that it is inadequate to reflect Turkish
DranzerKNC@reddit
One of the main reasons Latin script fits almost perfect for Turkish.
Jnyl2020@reddit
Same goes for Arabic: ç g ğ j p v ı o ö ü
xxtrakxx@reddit
ok mf ur the best at this
rux-mania@reddit
Doubt. When we were kids, we were learning arabic letters by writing them in Turkish...
rux-mania@reddit
Doubt. The first one is ğayın written in Turkish. The others tı, zı, dad, zad, ayın and so on...
I_sayyes@reddit
I mean I'm Turkish and I find it more natural but how could one language's pronunciation be "better"?
azzurro99@reddit
Turkish prononciation is ugly
BekanntesteZiege@reddit
Recip tayip purtugal
Gammeloni@reddit
Secme kelimelerle boyle bir suru dille ilgili videolar yapabilirsiniz. Sacmalamayin.
With curated words one can make a video on any language couple. Don't be ridiculous.
DunyaSikime@reddit
Profil resminde Ankara Birasi afişi mi vsr acaba
Huge-Instruction-933@reddit
look at all the Turks getting so offended for what? lol I am Turk live in UAE and I can say big portion of Turkish words are arabic origin there’s no need to butthurt when we share 1500 years of history ruling their territories with accepting Islam
Kitsooos@reddit
Obligatory "Everything comes from Ancient Greece" comment.
Kalem / Qalam comes from the Greek " καλάμι / kalami " which comes from the ancient Greek " κάλαμος / kalamos ".
Bluntpolar@reddit
I knew we Greeks shared a lot of these, like kitap. But I was impressed with hayvan cause χαϊβανι in Greek (like "hayvani") is used for "idiot". And dünya is also interesting because it's an old-fashioned word for "world" as well.
Jnyl2020@reddit
Lol Greeks use Turkish loanwords for the worst perceived meaning of the word usually.
Crazy-Leading-9795@reddit
This isn't cute in any way. Our goal is to remove all elements of arab colonialism, not celebrate them.
azzurro99@reddit
Better to replace them with French or English loanwords
Jnyl2020@reddit
Yes because you cry and shit in your pants when we revive old Turkish words.
Crazy-Leading-9795@reddit
4/10 rage bait try harder
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Bro, it's called loanwords, and every single language has them, even Arabic has dozens of Turkish loanwords like in Iraqi arabic we have:
Junta = çanta (Bag)
Chatal = çanta (fork)
Chaquch = çekiç (Hammer)
I am pretty sure there's way more than that, but i don't speak Turkish unfortunately.
Crazy-Leading-9795@reddit
Why are you spamming all subs? What was w trying to deceive people into thinking syrian arabs were leaving for good when they were just going back to visit their relatives (using some bs TikTok video nonetheless) and why did you delete it when you realized people weren't taking the bait? You did with so many other posts as well.
We don't want the remnants of your colonialism in our language. There is an entire institution dedicated to this. We are in no way, shape or form similar to you. Stop trying to push your ugly agenda.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
I didn't delete it. The mods of r/Turkey deleted it for "xenophobia"
Crazy-Leading-9795@reddit
and they were right. stop spamming every sub we're in.
TurkicWarrior@reddit
The word selfie is commonly used across everyone who uses social media regardless of what language you speak. Even Arabs themselves uses the word selfie.
But I still stand what I said. The percentages of Arabic and Persians will be much higher if we exclude standard Turkish.
Merhaba comes from Arabic itself.
vodka-bears@reddit
There's a ton of Turkish loanwords in Serbian btw.
BigChungusBlyat@reddit
We've lived in the same geography for centuriess. Our languages having loaned words from each other is literally as unsurprising as it gets.
Zajebann@reddit
Hajvan is something I heard growing up too often. Lol
Bluebeardcat@reddit
Wholesome
PureLet5083@reddit
Nobody cares about aranic and turkish here
VVavaourania@reddit
Hayvan in Greek «Χαϊβάνι» has almost same meaning 🤓
Ambitious-Flower87@reddit
Dükkan = shop. In coastal Croatia we say "dućan"
Garofalin@reddit
Ha! Dućan comes from Turkish. Learned something new today.
PapaN27x@reddit
Which comes from arabic.
azzurro99@reddit
Most Ottoman loanwords are themselves Arabic and Persian, few are genuinely Turkish
Mucklord1453@reddit
Good , this will make Turkey even more welcoming to all the Arabs.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
That's Israel's wet dream of sending their "refugees" to Europem
Mucklord1453@reddit
Asia Minor, not Europe though.
Only-Dimension-4424@reddit
? Go ask in r/askmiddleeast since this video fit there rather than here
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Don't like that subreddit, it's full radical Islamists
Only-Dimension-4424@reddit
Are you Islamophobic ?
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Islamists ≠ Muslims
Hairy-Thing8183@reddit
But it's your place, instead of the Balkhans subreddit. Better everyone should stay in their subcontinen
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
This subreddit is called r/AskBalkans, not r/Balkanerd only.
Crazy-Leading-9795@reddit
Questions about the Balkan states answered. What question do you want us to answer about some loanwords you're falsely identifying as similarity? Your question isn't about Turkey as a Balkan state. You're violating and spamming the sub.
DranzerKNC@reddit
Don’t mind them. Mena sub is hell for non-Islamist Arabs. And indeed the sub is ask Balkans, not Balkans only.
kerobob@reddit
You should tell that to all the Turks coming in here and spamming the sub. He can make as many posts as he want.
Hairy-Thing8183@reddit
Learn geography please
kerobob@reddit
Yeah, turkey is middle east. You share border with this Iraqi guy.
Hairy-Thing8183@reddit
With That logic Russia would be Asian
gk98s@reddit
And since Russia is asian and Ukraine shares a massive border with Russia, Ukraine would be Asian, then Romania would follow, and in a chain reaction the entirety of Europe would be asian.
masterboss61@reddit
I am
Stverghame@reddit
Zejtin is sometimes used by old people for "oil" here as well
CallofMargin@reddit
Why are you sharing this on the balkan subreddit? This post isn't related to balkan
Crazy-Leading-9795@reddit
It isn't. Dude just finds anything barely involving Turkey/a Turkish person in it and spams all subs we're in. I don't know the reason for the obsession though. Mods should take this down.
CallofMargin@reddit
I guess he's trying to prove something
TheeRoyalPurple@reddit
She looks like Mongolian indeed
Kedi01@reddit
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
How's it ragebait? There was a post here a couple of months ago about similarities between Greek and Turkish. Why is this one a ragebait and the other isn't?
Kedi01@reddit
I don't look at all your posts buddy.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
It wasn't my post
gk98s@reddit
Ragebait or shitpost?
Own-Cryptographer876@reddit
Most likely the former.
gk98s@reddit
This guy is way too obsessed with Turkey and Israel.
Zealousideal_Cry_460@reddit
Yeah if you only pick arabic words obviously any language will be similar to arabic
properelero@reddit
I cant care less for turks, please dont include them in Balkan things. Thanks
mahirbr@reddit
do not check where the name “balkan” originates from
Kalypso_95@reddit
Arabic? /s
Cloanks@reddit
Bal means thick forest kan means mountain in old turkish Balkan means forest covered mountain
johndelopoulos@reddit
loanwords' percentage often shows where we got most of influences from:
https://www.reddit.com/r/turkish/comments/zslgr8/loanwords_in_turkish_language_in_percentages/
oduzmi@reddit
This is not entirely surprising. Its similarities between Arabic and Hebrew that I find interesting.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Why? Both are Semitic languages
oduzmi@reddit
I know, but it's interesting how Hebrew was brought back to life after centuries of being basically a dead language.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Modern Hebrew has European words (Yiddish, French, Russia, German, Polish)
Biblical Hebrew is more Semitic, which's way easier to understand for Arabs than modern Hebrww.
oduzmi@reddit
I assume you speak Arabic. How much of, say, a news report in Hebrew can you understand?
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
5% at most.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
I'm surprised this didn't get downvoted. This sub has changed a lot, it was way more nationalists and right-wing than before.
red-panda-returns@reddit
If you compare words like this you find too much similarities between a lot of language. Albaniam as example can be compared like this to greek italian/latin serbo-croatian and turkish and you find and stunning amount of similarities in all 4 languages. That's one of the reasons why research found out we once talked all same language.