Am I damaging my car by flooring the accelerator?
Posted by alih12156@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 33 comments
I'm new to cars and just recently got my new car so please forgive me if this is a stupid question.
I have a Mercedes CLK 200 Kompressor 2006 and I love flooring the accelerator when joining a fast lane from a stop for example going from 10 km/h (6.21 mp/h) when first joining the lane to 80-100 km/h (49.710 - 62.14 mp/h) in around 5 seconds. It just feels so nice and I love the sound of the engine revving up. My question is if this is stupid and I should be accelerating much more gradually for my type of car, or is it fine?
The car is fairly old now and the mileage is about 179,000 KM (111,225 miles).
Liveitup1999@reddit
As long as the car is fully warmed up it should be no problem just keep up on the maintenance, use synthetic oil and don't drive it hard then shut it off right away. The turbo spins very fast and if you shut it off right away you can starve the bearings of oil. As your car gets older I wouldn't rev it to the redline often at all. The more you beat on the car the sooner it will wear out.
jrileyy229@reddit
The car doesn't have a turbo.....
Liveitup1999@reddit
Then you don't have to worry about it. Just beat on it after it warms up.
jrileyy229@reddit
I'm aware... It appears you were not
LameBMX@reddit
you paid for the whole throttle, use the whole throttle!
Machinesmaker@reddit
That engine has approximately a 10-20% duty cycle. Meaning it can develop full power for a maximum of 20% of its lifespan. So yes you are damaging your car
Bulky_Dingo_4706@reddit
This is totally false.
Machinesmaker@reddit
No it’s simply a fact. Exactly how long have you been in the automotive industry? All pieces of machinery have a duty cycle. The more output that is demanded of them the shorter the lifecycle.
ratrodder49@reddit
Never once in my 28 years have I heard someone say an engine has a duty cycle. Solenoids, injectors, welders all have duty cycles, but not engines.
johncuyle@reddit
He’s sort of right and sort of wrong. You see this more explicitly in aviation, where it isn’t unusual for engines to have a maximum take-off power rating with a time limit and a different, lower, maximum continuous power. This isn’t the same thing as recommended power settings, but explicit operational limitations. In reality aviation (and boat) engines live most of their lives either at 65-100% power (cruise and take-off) with minimal idle on the ground and brief lower power output in descent.
The trick with cars is that most spend virtually no time at high power output. Freeway cruise doesn’t require that much power and most people don’t floor their cars often, and auto manufacturers have been known to take this into account when doing their engineering to reduce cost.
I love a small block Chevy, but the first and second gen engines were sort of notorious for being designed for American usage patterns (quarter miles and freeway cruise at 60) and not surviving in Motorsports applications or even on the autobahn without extensive breathing on. The flipside is that German cars have the reputation for engineering excellence and durability that they have because surviving the autobahns means being built for sustained, high output in a way that cars in other places weren’t required to. That said, it’s probably been at least 20 years since anyone sold a car that wouldn’t survive sustained high output for a larger-than-necessary fraction of its expected mileage.
Guilty-Report-3971@reddit
Why is that?; didn’t really know about the measurement. All I would say is the head gasket issues, clutch, timing chain will be next, starting with the timing chain, which sometimes goes unchanged in these mercs because they last so long
ratrodder49@reddit
I’m thinking this guy is blowing smoke. I’ve never heard of an engine having a duty cycle.
PurpleK00lA1d@reddit
Just make sure the vehicle is up to proper operating temp before driving hard, that's one of the most important things.
The other really important thing is to keep on top of maintenance. I know some German vehicles have extended oil change intervals in the manual for example, ignore that. Every 3k - 4k miles full synthetic and the motor will be happy. Keep on top of transmission and differential fluids as well.
Bulky_Dingo_4706@reddit
Every 3k is crazy, especially if you drive a lot.
PurpleK00lA1d@reddit
Some motors are sensitive. Manufacturer recommendations are pretty BS.
You pull the valve cover off a motor changed every 3-4k vs. 8-10k and it's a huge difference.
Some people view it as excessive and that's fine. When I was a mechanic seeing things first hand, I know what I'll always do and recommend.
Bulky_Dingo_4706@reddit
There’s a big difference between 3k and 10k though. Why not recommend in the middle?
PurpleK00lA1d@reddit
There is a bit of wiggle room.
But OP is driving a supercharged German vehicle with high mileage and admits they like to put their foot down and accelerate hard often. That's a prime recipe for 3000 miles.
Turbo direct inject motor? Every 3000 - 4000 depending on how much it's abused.
Grandpa cruiser mobile just chilling on the highway all day? Sure go 5000-7000.
When I was a mechanic I worked on all kinds of cars. The people who had the least amount of engine related troubles were people got their oil changed more frequently. Pretty much any mechanic will tell you the same thing. It can't prevent all issues, but it sure does help.
59chevyguy@reddit
I do mine every 3000 and drive between 150-200 miles a day. Hooray for monthly oil changes!
DanTheMemeMan42@reddit
110k? That’s not even broken in yet. Push that pedal to the floor with some authority.
eoan_an@reddit
Yes, wears out much faster.
No-Care6289@reddit
A machine is only going to do a finite amount of work before it breaks.
Old German cars are never a financially wise decision. Know when to sell it.
375InStroke@reddit
Lol, I have four cars more than 55 years old, and I floor them all the time, still going strong.
supern8ural@reddit
A redline a day keeps the carbon away.
Do wait for the engine to be fully warmed up (oil takes longer to warm up than water, so if you have an oil temp gauge watch that one) and if there's any odd noises, low oil pressure, anything of that nature get it addressed ASAP.
I've driven cars with more than 200K miles like I stole them with no real harm.
TrollCannon377@reddit
As long as it's up to the proper temperature when you do it and you change your fluids according to the schedule then it'll be fine
South_Bit1764@reddit
This.
I would just add that, “up to temp” doesn’t mean the coolant is up to temp, it means the oil is up to temp, which usually takes at least twice as long as warming up the coolant.
jarheadjay77@reddit
No. Some vehicles actually need the accelerator fully depressed occasionally or they’ll reset their 100% level and ultimately have low power issues .
hitch-pro@reddit
Worn out components can still break or fail under these situations. Like most previous answers, keeping oil maintained is important. Its good to note the engine wear we cannot change occurs while our engine warms up. Its not until it's at operating temperature that our piston rings begin to operate normally. So a heavy pedal before the car is to temperature is wearing out the engine, most notably the piston rings, which is one of the most common reasons an engine needs a rebuild. So, on a cold morning right after starting up the vehicle "flooring" it is causing more wear than you want your older engine to endure. Its also.goos to not that all cars start at high idle to help with this temperature. So always wait 1 minute or so for engine idle to lower below 1k rpm before asking the engine to drive, then gingerly drive until the dash board temp says your st the 190°-210° normal operating temperature. Then you can drive like a teenager without hurting your cars engine. Hope that LOOOOOONG ass answer helps. Magic Automotive.
Eeka_Droid@reddit
I would avoid flooring it up from low RPMs like sub 1k to 1.3k.
The reason is, engine pistons are like our legs pedaling a bike. Imagine you're in lower gear ratios, moving slowly yet pushing the pedals hard to accelerate. You'd put a lot of pressure in the whole system by demanding high power at low RPMs and this can wear them down over time.
This is the problem of constantly driving in low RPMs but i believe it would have an effect when flooring hard from low RPMs as well.
It's also risky to get into the speed lane at low speeds and low RPMs (the car is less responsive) so my recommendation would be to reach moderate speed and higher RPMs before getting into the fast lane to then join the fast lane when it's safe.
As others already pointed out, make sure your maintenance is up to date including lubricants (dont forget the transmission oil) and to let the car reach operational temp before demanding from it.
Yet, if you want your car to last: slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Handle it smoothly always.
Grandemestizo@reddit
As long as it’s up to temperature, cars generally like to be driven hard. Just don’t neglect the maintenance.
WizeAdz@reddit
You know all of those fancy electronics under the hood that old backyard mechanics whine about?
One of the things they do is guard the mechanical systems under the hood from the driver. They’ll do things like reduce the engine power to keep temperatures and stresses on mechanical parts within spec.
The sensors and computers can’t do everything, of course — they can only do this based on the inputs from the sensors in the car, and they can’t guard against things like road damage from potholes. But there are enough sensors in the right places that you won’t bend your crankshaft s or over torque your transmission by washing the go-pedal on a modern car — unless whole teams at Mercedes didn’t do their jobs right.
If you drive a non-overpowered car, there are times when you’ll need to use the whole engine — especially during those high-speed merges. That’s fine. The car’s designed for that.
IUsedTheRandomizer@reddit
Not at all, so long as you're keeping up on oil changes. The Italian tune up isn't quite as beneficial in an engine without a carburetor but it's not a bad idea; just let your engine get up to temp first.
SwarlezBarkley@reddit
Make sure she’s all warmed up. Stay on top of maintenance. Have fun 👍🏻
AutomobileEnjoyer@reddit
It’s fine just keep up on maintenance