My favorite little bizarre design detail is the windows.
It has half windows, like so many iconic cars like the DeLorean or the Countach (or the Subaru SVX). Of course if you look at the size of the doors, and the fact that this car has such a high belt line and low roofline, there’s absolutely no reason that the entire window shouldn’t be able to roll down. I guess you could also say that’s true of the SVX but I assume that its (for the time) low belt line and high roofline with large glass area made it impractical to roll the whole window down whereas there definitely wouldn’t be any problem on this Spyker.
But structurally this car is a four door hardtop. There is no B-pillar or frames around the windows, and they seal together with a trim piece that’s part of the window rather than part of the car. No real-world car has ever been designed or built that way, most cars that have a half window set inside the main window have it surrounded on all sides by glass, and the few that don’t, like the SVX, have traditional window frames to keep them aligned. Just having a big piece of glass cantilevered over the hole where the half window goes (especially two of these that are supposed to meet and have a weathertight seal) seems like a bad idea.
So my question is, if this were to have made it into production, in this original D12 form, what would it have looked like with the windows down? Would it be like a weird hardtop with a small unbroken opening? Would that chrome trim along the edge between the doors be a structural part that doesn’t roll down? In that case why design it to have no B-pillar? Lots of concept cars from that era were designed as hardtops with no intent of actually being produced that way but those did it for the wide open airy feel, combining that with the claustrophobic feel of half windows is just such a weird design choice.
It’s kind of a moot point because this was from the era when every concept car was a hardtop, the production model likely would have had normal windows and doors. Also there are pictures of this car being displayed with the doors open, and it appears that not only are the windows fixed in place for display, not functional or designed to roll down, they even appear to be single panes of glass with the seam between the main window and the roll-down half window being fake trim stuck on for aesthetics. So clearly even the designers didn’t really give any thought to how they would work because it was just for show.
But perhaps the strangest part is that when they reworked it into the D8 they dropped the weird half windows entirely, now they’re one piece. That version was also shown off with the windows down, for a big airy open appearance like a normal hardtop. But the crazy part is that this wasn’t done by removing the fixed in place windows, the D8 appeared to have fully functional windows because there are pictures of it with the rear windows half rolled down. Most modern concept cars don’t really have functional windows, they fake the look by taking some pictures with the windows in place and then removing them for other pictures. Every once in a while there will be a fully functional concept car that has working windows, but these are usually done by big manufacturers like GM or Chrysler that can afford to pour money into a show car so they can lend it to Top Gear or science fiction movie shoots for publicity. The fact that a small company like Spyker seems to have gone through the trouble to make the windows functional on the D8 version, a particularly difficult engineering challenge on a hardtop, is really unusual and makes me wonder if they actually intended for the production version to be a real four door hardtop, which would have been the first in over 15 years.
The car was called the Peking to Paris after the historic race. I personally think it looks decent (other than the window in a window side windows), which makes it the Mona Lisa of SUV coupes. Shame it never entered production
In defense of OP, that is a D12. I believe the D8 was only shown in white but either way you can read on the side of the car that it says D12 Peking to Paris in the pic
You might be right, but given how quickly the Urus and Purosangue are selling out, and how Porsche is basically just an SUV manufacturer now, it might've actually given Spyker a chance at surviving.
And in the end, it's the same shape as a X6 or a GLS, and those are gopping as well.
Like I said to others, auto correct killed it. I had it ALL spelled out correctly but when I hit post it changed the spelling and now I can't edit it to make it right.
Silly mistake - Spyker went down the same road with the D8 that Porsche did when they designed the original Cayenne, just inflating their most popular road car into SUV proportions.
The proportions are all wrong - it just looks silly.
HuskieSledDog@reddit
There's hope MY automotive endeavors could go to Concours now! Huzzah!!
obi1kenobi1@reddit
My favorite little bizarre design detail is the windows.
It has half windows, like so many iconic cars like the DeLorean or the Countach (or the Subaru SVX). Of course if you look at the size of the doors, and the fact that this car has such a high belt line and low roofline, there’s absolutely no reason that the entire window shouldn’t be able to roll down. I guess you could also say that’s true of the SVX but I assume that its (for the time) low belt line and high roofline with large glass area made it impractical to roll the whole window down whereas there definitely wouldn’t be any problem on this Spyker.
But structurally this car is a four door hardtop. There is no B-pillar or frames around the windows, and they seal together with a trim piece that’s part of the window rather than part of the car. No real-world car has ever been designed or built that way, most cars that have a half window set inside the main window have it surrounded on all sides by glass, and the few that don’t, like the SVX, have traditional window frames to keep them aligned. Just having a big piece of glass cantilevered over the hole where the half window goes (especially two of these that are supposed to meet and have a weathertight seal) seems like a bad idea.
So my question is, if this were to have made it into production, in this original D12 form, what would it have looked like with the windows down? Would it be like a weird hardtop with a small unbroken opening? Would that chrome trim along the edge between the doors be a structural part that doesn’t roll down? In that case why design it to have no B-pillar? Lots of concept cars from that era were designed as hardtops with no intent of actually being produced that way but those did it for the wide open airy feel, combining that with the claustrophobic feel of half windows is just such a weird design choice.
It’s kind of a moot point because this was from the era when every concept car was a hardtop, the production model likely would have had normal windows and doors. Also there are pictures of this car being displayed with the doors open, and it appears that not only are the windows fixed in place for display, not functional or designed to roll down, they even appear to be single panes of glass with the seam between the main window and the roll-down half window being fake trim stuck on for aesthetics. So clearly even the designers didn’t really give any thought to how they would work because it was just for show.
But perhaps the strangest part is that when they reworked it into the D8 they dropped the weird half windows entirely, now they’re one piece. That version was also shown off with the windows down, for a big airy open appearance like a normal hardtop. But the crazy part is that this wasn’t done by removing the fixed in place windows, the D8 appeared to have fully functional windows because there are pictures of it with the rear windows half rolled down. Most modern concept cars don’t really have functional windows, they fake the look by taking some pictures with the windows in place and then removing them for other pictures. Every once in a while there will be a fully functional concept car that has working windows, but these are usually done by big manufacturers like GM or Chrysler that can afford to pour money into a show car so they can lend it to Top Gear or science fiction movie shoots for publicity. The fact that a small company like Spyker seems to have gone through the trouble to make the windows functional on the D8 version, a particularly difficult engineering challenge on a hardtop, is really unusual and makes me wonder if they actually intended for the production version to be a real four door hardtop, which would have been the first in over 15 years.
Capri280@reddit
*Peking
The car was called the Peking to Paris after the historic race. I personally think it looks decent (other than the window in a window side windows), which makes it the Mona Lisa of SUV coupes. Shame it never entered production
Skeptic_Juggernaut84@reddit (OP)
Auto correct is horrible. I had it all spelled out correctly, but when I hit post it changed it all to what you see and now I can't edit it.
DrGuyLeShace@reddit
Sue them. Whoever. I am witness to this embarassment. That's quite some damage done here.
Or just turn off auto correct.
The curse of mobile against the heavens of desktop. 😉
Skeptic_Juggernaut84@reddit (OP)
I've looked to turn it off, and I don't see how to do it with the phone I use. Damn you Samsung.
Dirty_Hertz@reddit
This sub won't let me post images in the comments, so here are the steps: Keyboard Settings
First go into settings --> general management
Samsung keyboard settings
You should be able to figure it out from there.
Skeptic_Juggernaut84@reddit (OP)
Done, thanks for the help.
abominable-concubine@reddit
Love this car!
WreckingFinn@reddit
Impressive to butcher both the make and model name in the title
ArcticBiologist@reddit
Also the number, it's D8 and not D12
Absolutely nothing in the title was correct, well done OP
Skeptic_Juggernaut84@reddit (OP)
I'm so sorry. Please know that auto correct did this to me, and I can't edit it to correct the spelling.
GhostPepperDaddy@reddit
No, you are a bot or a lazy karma farmer. This account has the characteristics of scum emanating from it.
randomtuner@reddit
In defense of OP, that is a D12. I believe the D8 was only shown in white but either way you can read on the side of the car that it says D12 Peking to Paris in the pic
Goofy_Maker2006@reddit
Damn did i really just read spider as spyker
zzzzrobbzzzz@reddit
because all the details look like a spyker
ElonMuskeyHuskey@reddit
I need that car
MarianHawke22@reddit
First time seeing this was in Test Drive Unlimited 2.
HATECELL@reddit
This car was ahead of its time
hamster553@reddit
Spyker*
Skeptic_Juggernaut84@reddit (OP)
Yes, auto correct changed the whole name, and I can't edit the title.
notsoentertained@reddit
It's so goofy looking, I want one.
monkeyheadmark@reddit
never made it into production as Spyker aquired Saab in this period, went from W12 (VW) to V8 (Audi) to cut costs
interior isn't too shabby (source TG)
x_x-O_o-x_x@reddit
Hideous
scruffmucker@reddit
From the Mid-line up... gorgeous. From the Mid-line down... gorgeous... Combined, awkward, but I'd still drive it :-)
TweeksTurbos@reddit
What did Vic use underneath? A 9-4x?
billysugger000@reddit
It's like an inflatable Spyker, over inflated.
Greasy-Choirboy@reddit
Made me think of a catfish
karlexceed@reddit
I was thinking whale shark.
ScaredJob424@reddit
C8 Aileron having an allergic reaction
Rubik842@reddit
There's no individually offensive element, but my god that thing is an abomination.
hankjmoody@reddit
You might be right, but given how quickly the Urus and Purosangue are selling out, and how Porsche is basically just an SUV manufacturer now, it might've actually given Spyker a chance at surviving.
And in the end, it's the same shape as a X6 or a GLS, and those are gopping as well.
Stevemmm678@reddit
Upvote for the use of ‘gopping’.
DrGuyLeShace@reddit
Had to search it, not disappointed:
GOPPING definition: 1. ugly, horrible: 2. ugly, horrible:
lasskinn@reddit
Did the designer go and design the new capri though?
But yea the shape isn't a problem really for sales its just like you took a car game and loaded the wrong texture.
HMSWarspite03@reddit
It does look rather overinflated.
houseDJ1042@reddit
Chonky boo indeed
ScissorNightRam@reddit
With a different face, I think the rest could stand. But a very different face.
Rubik842@reddit
If you look at any quarter of it in isolation, It's pretty nice. Maybe they had a design committee.
ScissorNightRam@reddit
Nailed it
whytawhy@reddit
It looks like a startup company tried to remake the amphicar as a luxury suv in 2004.
XDT_Idiot@reddit
That's enough internet for one day
UU2Bcool@reddit
Is that a ford focus that was stung by a bee?
Redbeard_Rum@reddit
Or like someone inflated a Mondeo with an air pump.
tgt305@reddit
Fat Aston
Skeptic_Juggernaut84@reddit (OP)
More about the SUV here
ArcticBiologist@reddit
So you had an example on how to spell it?
Skeptic_Juggernaut84@reddit (OP)
Like I said to others, auto correct killed it. I had it ALL spelled out correctly but when I hit post it changed the spelling and now I can't edit it to make it right.
tetzy@reddit
Silly mistake - Spyker went down the same road with the D8 that Porsche did when they designed the original Cayenne, just inflating their most popular road car into SUV proportions.
The proportions are all wrong - it just looks silly.
zorbah55@reddit
Sad
basec0m@reddit
Sorry, my sedan got bit by a bee and is allergic
orangejeep@reddit
It’s the Violet Beauregarde of cars.
IsDinosaur@reddit
It looks bloated
GuitarCactus@reddit
I honestly dont find it to be that bad looking.
oscarddt@reddit
Looks like it was a beautiful hatchback that was redesigned by the profits committee
Miserable-Assistant3@reddit
It was 10-15 years ahead of its time.
righthandofdog@reddit
Looks like an Aston Martin sedan that got stung in the face by a bee
Zharken@reddit
looks like a hog
djscoots10@reddit
Neat
dusty-cat-albany@reddit
7 for the pic and 3 for the car
ArcticBiologist@reddit
Spyker, not Spider (wtf?)
Model number was changed from D12 to D8 after switching from a V12 to a V8 engine
Peking to Paris, not Pecking
EVRider81@reddit
And I thought the new Capri was ugly...
knowledgeable_diablo@reddit
Now that’s one ugly thing.
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