Anon is closeted
Posted by paucus62@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 42 comments
Posted by paucus62@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 42 comments
PomegranateHot9916@reddit
pride must continue until everyone accepts gay people as fellow human beings
gLu3xb3rchi@reddit
You got it mixed up. Pride month isnt there because we‘re „special“. Its there because we aren‘t seen as normal.
If you‘d see us as any other hetero, there would be no need for pride month and it wouldnt be a thing.
paucus62@reddit (OP)
not anon but by definition non heteros are not normal since the vast majority of the population is straight
Warm_Tea_4140@reddit
Blonde people aren't normal because most people are brunette
Left-handed people aren't normal because most people are right-handed.
Green and blue-eyed people aren't normal because most people are brown-eyed...
normal in the sense of being the demographic majority.
That's not the sense in which we mean "normal" though. By normal we mean socially acceptable- not considered strange- not considered "other". Blonde people are a steep minority, yet we aren't forcefully dying their hair black to fall within the Norm.
paucus62@reddit (OP)
when i say normal, i'm not attaching a moral judgement! I'm just describing if they follow the norm or not in a purely statistical sense!
Warm_Tea_4140@reddit
I'm not saying you are.
And my point is that that's not what we are referring to when we say "normal" in the context of being non-hetero
Unbothered_centrist@reddit
For a specie as neurologicaly complexe as humans, there no such thing as "normality", either in a biological, neurological or even cultural sense.
The "average human" does not exist, it is a fantasy, an ideal wich varies greatly depending on what group of humans you are asking, a tool to make creating a community, traditions and culture easier. It is inevitable, even if you use the smallest common deniminator as your focal point, that some people will be excluded, infortunately.
Warm_Tea_4140@reddit
This doesn't contradict anything I said.
DomSchraa@reddit
Lgbt people still have the same genetics as cishet people.
Look the same.
Talk the same.
Behave the same.
Stop with the bullshit arguments.
paucus62@reddit (OP)
never implied any of those things! But within the single dimension of analysis straight-not straight, by definition they don't follow the norm. This is just a statement of fact with no moral judgement attached.
DomSchraa@reddit
That is incredibly over specific
Youre categorizing 2 subgroups of a subgroup into "normal" and "not normal"
Idk if you could call it a fact
gLu3xb3rchi@reddit
Thats the most stupid shit I‘ve ever heard…
50.5% of the world population are men, does that mean women arent normal cause the majority is men?
How about race? 60% of the world population is asian. Guess any non asian isnt normal then?
paucus62@reddit (OP)
well, 48.5% is close enough to 50% that i guess we could say it's normal. As for the second part, if we were to zoom out and consider humanity as a monolith (which it is not, but let's pretend it was), then yes, normal would be asian.
ItsMichaelRay@reddit
The same reason you see lawns and trucks covered in pro-Trump/MAGA flags.
darklightmatter@reddit
Not remotely the same reason lol.
ItsMichaelRay@reddit
How so?
darklightmatter@reddit
A celebration of the things that make some people different, that in the past they'd have been judged, persecuted and killed for is not the same as conservatives blindly worshipping politicians who screw them over while taking their money.
You already know this but ignored it to mock the marginalized. Why? What did LGBTQ people do to you personally, that you want to attack them like this?
paucus62@reddit (OP)
not anon but "how does it affect you personally" is not a good philosophy. many bad things are bad even though they don't hurt you personally, because they harm society at large in general. For instance, gambling addiction doesn't hurt others directly nor personally, but it's still bad because it destroys lives.
Warm_Tea_4140@reddit
Imagine getting annoyed at things being colored rainbow for a month and concluding that this is an issue on the same level as gambling.
paucus62@reddit (OP)
if only it were only things being rainbow...
ItsMichaelRay@reddit
I didn't mean to say they were equally valid, I just meant they were born from the same logic. Trump supporters get insulted a lot (often for good reason) and therefore respond by doubling-down by using flags.
For the record, I'm an LGBT-ally and not a Trump supporter in the slightest.
darklightmatter@reddit
How tf are you gonna call yourself an ally after that comparison? They're not born from the same logic, and that's certainly not how you presented your initial statement.
Being proud in something isn't cause to day it's born from the same logic. Being proud of something for the same reasons is.
On one hand you have "I'm proud to be ___ because I was forced to repress and hide myself, I was relatively recently granted rights like marriage and adoption, the intrinsic unchangeable part of myself was/is used as an insult, slurs made to target people like me. Heroes of WW2 like Alan Turing punished for their existence. I take pride in who I am because the people before me fought for this".
On the other hand, you have "I'm proud to be MAGA because I worship Trump. He's just like me, wears adult diapers and spews shit out of both ends, hates minorities, loves minors. He created the modern SS to hunt down and deport people without due process, throws innocents into foreign prisons, sells out my country and it's secrets for personal wealth, gain and favors." Bunch of other shit I can't be bothered to list.
And you, a self-proclaimed ally, say they're both born of the same logic. Who are you the ally of, the GOP?
DomSchraa@reddit
Show me 3 cases of trump supporters getting murdered for their political beliefs only, theres dozens of cases of killings of lgbt people (a recent one were a gay couple had their house burned down, later one of them was killed by a gunman)
Also, you can just fucking change your belief, sex and ethnicity you cant
Fundamentally a bad faith argument, do better
Frozen_Watch@reddit
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/4-charged-in-beating-of-man-as-others-yell-anti-trump-words/
Never been on to follow the news but I do remember this one from a while back.
Personally, I don't have much of an issue with someone thinking who they voted for has put them in some sort of target on their back and comparing it to being gay and being persecuted. I've seen both in minor and major ways throughout my life and I think I'd be failing at showing empathy if I disregarded it entirely.
Never voted trump but I'd definitely feel more comfortable being more openly gay then I would being open about voting for Trump. Feel like most of my friends and some of my family would cut ties with me if I did.
DomSchraa@reddit
That just feels really disingenuous
That article is a decade old
Hell its not even REMOTELY clear that the assault happened because he voted for trump (which according to his own words he never mentioned) so its FAR more likely they assaulted him in a case of road rage
Meanwhile this week:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Joss
I am not saying unprovoked violence against rightwingers is ok. But bringing up O N E example that is from 2016 as "proof" that maga folks also get persecuted... Thats just bullshit
Also ofc your friendgroup would leave you if you werent all maga or "apolitical" beforehand - that aint persecution tho, thats just people refusing to associate with you cause of your political beliefs
captaincw_4010@reddit
Deserved, it's punishment for what they done to my homeboy Alan Turing
Impossible-Sweet2151@reddit
r/AsABlackMan
PleasantVanilla@reddit
It's a celebration of your right to openly express your sexuality without fear of persecution or violence. It's a reminder to all that diversity and tolerance is essential to your freedoms as an individual.
Very few societies have allowed such freedoms to their peons in times past. It's something to be joyous and proud about.
And the 4chinners have made it into something to complain about. No progress on showering daily or leading a fulfilling life, though.
cell689@reddit
Why isn't a day enough for that?
5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi@reddit
Take a look through the list
You'll find that a celebration of people who were and are attacked and even killed for being who they are lasting a month is one of the least controversial celebrations.
DomSchraa@reddit
Because hate is still so prevalent
Because people still get murdered and openly discriminated against for something they cant change
Because, currently, theres M A N Y governments, even in the fucking western world, who openly call for the eradication of queer people
cell689@reddit
I hope for the sake of lgbt people that pride month lessens hate and intolerance against them.
I doubt that it does.
DomSchraa@reddit
Thing is its a catch 22 situation
Dont have it and their issues get overshadowed and forgotten, without any societal pressure nothing will change
Have pride, in my way shape or form, and youll have fundamentalist scumbags complain that they dont need it, or that is a sin
cell689@reddit
If it helps some people's egos to have it, then I guess that's as good a reason as any.
PleasantVanilla@reddit
Free speech in an egalitarian dictates people can express gratitude and celebrate for as long as they see fit.
cell689@reddit
That doesn't answer my question, and it brings up the question why we don't have pride years of its so important.
SlavicBlyat@reddit
The loud ass minority of people who want to do this forced a lot of it, and made being gay their entire personality
I just wanna date my bf and not have to listen to this shit 😭
_massive_balls_@reddit
So trve
paucus62@reddit (OP)
actually sweety your indfiffernce to queer struggle is just like indifference to the holocaust, you're a Nazi, CANCELLED!!!!!!
BunnyKnotMelt@reddit
https://i.redd.it/jgy4mnvey85f1.gif
FailureToReason@reddit
ILoveWesternBlot@reddit
first time looking at a 4chan post? The entire site exists to create strawmen and then seethe at them