Is there a sense of superiority for pilots based on what airline they fly for? Ex: “You fly for Spirit/Frontier?? Ewww…”

The number of pilots at Delta that give them their reputation is enough to maintain that reputation. Delta blows so much smoke up their pilots asses it's insane. These guys honestly think that them flying a 737 between Des Moines and Atlanta is somehow vastly superior to all other pilots. It's so embarrassing

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JasonThree@reddit

If you're in 121 air line pilot memes you'll see people that live up to the stereotype unironically.

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duaIinput@reddit

Look up Kenny Card. Larissa. That one fucker who paid for the 777 type rating. Anyone notice a pattern?

Does that psychologist they make everyone talk to before hiring them seek out undiagnosed narcissism?

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HerbEverstanks@reddit

Wind check? /s.

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Ambitious_Bee9564@reddit

I wouldn't call it a sense of superiority, but you don't see any Delta pilots jealous of Frontier pilots. And you don't see any Frontier pilots jealous of regional pilots.

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juniorfromgh@reddit

But they miss the days of being a hobo ,ramen eating cfi

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ackermann@reddit

While CFI probably sucks if you’re trying to support yourself that way, I’ve always thought it might be a nice part time job in retirement? Assuming you still have your medical at that age.
Can mostly set how many hours you want to work by taking fewer or more students, as needed. Get paid to fly, still get to be in the sky, and earn a little extra cash

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earthgreen10@reddit

thats why people should have a office job while doing CFI

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Flyingredditburner44@reddit

I taught ground school full time (paid the bills) while being a CFI.

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earthgreen10@reddit

I did ground school with my CFI, 30 minutes of ground before flying each class

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Flyingredditburner44@reddit

That's what most CFIs do. This was 60k/year to teach ground at a pilot mill. Helped pay the bills lol

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Alternative_Sale7459@reddit

Can confirm. Have WFH professional job while working as CFI on side. WiFi at airport, work between flights. Never more than 2 hour callback time.

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earthgreen10@reddit

that's amazing

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DOG_herpes@reddit

My cfi is in his 70s and I barely understand him but I just passed my checkride so it’s cool

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YourSpanishMomTaco@reddit

The retired captain next to my hangar does exactly this. Pays for his av gas. If he gives a BFR or IPC to his friends or the guys on our hangar row, he usually just accepts a bottle of hooch as payment or a lunch after the flight.

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UberBrutal88@reddit

There are some old retired ACPs out there still doing rides, some/lot of them are great guys, very chill and are amazing at making you feel relaxed.

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mild-blue-yonder@reddit

I'm fairly established in my non-flying career and am doing fine financially. I sometimes miss my less glamourous jobs like lifeguarding or waiting tables. But it's not missing the job, it's missing the lack of responsibilities and the lifestyle that afforded. When I was living that life, I was looking at the people like me now and thinking 'I can't wait'

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saml01@reddit

Proper use of word hobo.

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fatmaneats17@reddit

Is CFI a private pilot? Like a NetJets or Flexjets pilot? I always wondered where the private pilots fit into the equation, I assume it’s a stepping stone to the big leagues.

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Ambitious_Bee9564@reddit

No, a CFI is not a private pilot. A "private pilot" in the context that you're thinking of is a professional pilot who flies private aircraft. Typically business jets.

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TellmSteveDave@reddit

I would think frontier - region relationship is a bit more lateral.

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earthgreen10@reddit

so that is superiority kind of

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aftcg@reddit

But you do see the astronaut jealous of the guy in the J-3

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Urrolnis@reddit

I don't look down on ULCC guys but I flew Frontier once and then retracted my application with them. Didn't like the customer experience or business model. Just wasn't where I wanted to work.

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duaIinput@reddit

It made me feel morally dirty. Even if I didn’t have to do any of the direct customer interactions. Even though I tried my hardest every single day to make the time between brakes released and brakes set the absolute best experience I could for those passengers; the families with young kids scrimping for a vacation, the college kids spontaneously going to a new city, and people who otherwise would not be able to afford to go where they were going. I hated telling people where I worked, even though it was objectively a great job.

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Urrolnis@reddit

It just felt so adversarial in every interaction. For some reason I HAD to go to the check-in desk so got charged for that. Got charged for a bottle of water. Flight attendants yelling at passengers for moving seats, "I know what your actual seat is so I'll charge you for the exit row unless you go back to your seat".

Thems' the rules, and I get that, just not the business I want to represent. Even just as the bus driver.

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fatmanyolo@reddit

Of course not! We’re all in this together.

(Not you, Mesa.)

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Smoothridetothe5@reddit

For some people yeah there is. But a lot of people also understand that it's all essentially the same job and everyone is just trying to do what works for their situation. Sometimes people stay at the regional or the ULCC on purpose because there are advantages for them to do so. There's other things that matter more than the company you work for. At least that's how I see it.

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Machaltstars@reddit

No, they fly the same aircraft at lccs and legacies. But, there is a one way street from netjets, frontier, spirit, sun country, atlas, abx, ati, FedEx, UPS, the regionals, Southwest , American, to Delta and United. And there's a reason for that, delta and united just have better work rules, pay, soft time and work life balance than anywhere else in the industry.

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Smoothridetothe5@reddit

UAL might offer good pay and QOL to some people and could be a good option for someone who agrees with their company "Ideas" if you know what I'm saying. But if you don't feel the same about those things, then no QOL or money could make up for you having to compromise your values, especially when it comes to personal health decisions.

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RobertWilliamBarker@reddit

Lol, you obviously don't have a clue about work rules from other airlines. I'll let you in on a secret. Delta and UA don't have the best work rules or QOL benefits. Keep telling yourself that though.

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GummoRabbit@reddit

I think to some degree it exists, yes, but I think most pilots also understand that you can't generalize these things too much. Like obviously some lifer at a regional may be in the perfect situation for them. Or maybe they're rich and just doing it for fun or something.

But "generally" speaking and speaking for myself, I do feel better about myself and position, not so much because of the airline I'm at, but because of what I've achieved. I worked my ass off to get to this legacy I'm at. I've witnessed enough people who didn't. People who quit training, or failed too many checkrides, or busted an airline CQ, or got a DUI in college, or got lazy and started to lack motivation to move on, or busted the interview, etc. And i didn't. And I'd be lying to you if I didn't say I feel damn good about that and don't see anything wrong with it.

In the same vein, I do think it is more difficult to get to certain airlines and positions and that means something and "generally" can say something about you. But not always. And not always in reverse either. The important thing is to make sure you feel good about yourself and where you are at. It's not about being above somebody else.

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Smoothridetothe5@reddit

A lotta people work hard and are even talented and the legacy didn't happen for them for some other reason.

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17zhangtr1@reddit

Not from people within the industry.

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JDLovesTurk@reddit

I feel this. I have so many muggles ask me why I don’t go work somewhere else instead of NK. Well, I like where I live, I drive to work, I pick my schedule, and I get paid well. Why the fuck would I leave? You know who doesn’t ask me that, other pilots from other airlines.

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Mega-Eclipse@reddit

I feel this. I have so many muggles ask me why I don’t go work somewhere else instead of NK.

People know what they know.

Walmart sells crappy chinese goods and a bad company to work for. McDonalds makes crappy food and is also shitty to work for. Costco is generally viewed as a good company, good place to shop at, and kirkland brand is viewed as pretty good. Thus, for most people, there is a direct correlation between the quality of the product/service and working for the company. Those factors typically go hand-in-hand.

Because flying on spirit is ~~often~~ a terrible experience, people assume it must also be bad to work for them. They assume that low-cost, cut every corner mentality must also exist for employees.

And how would they know any different?

they don't understand, "Well, I like where I live, I drive to work, I pick my schedule, and I get paid well."

Oh, and remember what I said about Walmart? , Some parts aren't as bad as others....

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duaIinput@reddit

I mean, I worked for Spirit’s competitor and it did suck to work for them in the sense that they get paid (currently) like 40% less than their peers and their work rules are meh, but that’s just due to an outdated contract.

The actual job was awesome though as long as you lived in base. Drove to work and if I wanted could hold 20 days off a month with every night in my bed.

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thanksforallthetrees@reddit

I used to fly groceries, liquor and fried chicken, and native people full of all 3 from no summer access road town gravel strips to another. Then medevacs from the same towns to the nearest big city with a hospital. I’ve been yelled at, cussed out, bled on, had to fly a plane where someone is screaming and dying, giving birth and shitting their pants. Then narrow body jets for a ULCC. The U is for ultra, as in 4 FAs in a 737, serving only water on 5 hour flights. No meals. Poverty wages in Canada. The bare minimum. Now I fly medium haul full Japanese service 787 around SE Asia, Australia. I drink Perrier and eat miso ramen while watching Mt Fuji drift by.

It’s not a sense of superiority, it’s “I’ve been there, and I know it sucks, but it’s worth it if you keep reaching for something better. Hopefully you can take a step up soon. And if you’re happy cause you’re home more than me or you got an upgrade earlier and that’s part of your career strategy then good for you!”

We all look at salaries and contracts around the world and are generally aware of the hours, benefits, pay, bases, and contracts of the other big companies. We debate the merits and demerits and if it would be a better fit for us. Some guys leave for seemingly greener pastures. Some are disappointed. Some have/want to stay closer to home because their family needs them more.

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goatfuckersupreme@reddit

I drink Perrier and eat miso ramen while watching Mt Fuji drift by.

How does that feel?

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thanksforallthetrees@reddit

Feels like I “made it”, or “arrived” and everything was worth it. There’s always guys complaining about this or that with vacation or scheduling but I’m very happy.

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goatfuckersupreme@reddit

man... i work 40 hours per week for a couple bucks above minimum wage and get 3 vacation days this year, and i dont consider myself having much to complain about- im pretty happy. still, i would like to start flying some time in the next few years- it seems like such a fun and fulfilling career

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thanksforallthetrees@reddit

Something I’ve learned about human psychology is that we get used to things really fast. The novelty wears off very quickly for some people, unless you make an effort to remind yourself about the good stuff happening all around you. Keeping a gratitude journal really helps you stay excited about life.

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retardhood@reddit

Sometimes it's a cake walk where everything falls in it's place, for others it's a constant beat down and ass kicking. Most of it comes down to timing, the rest is not failing checkrides and interviews.

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minfremi@reddit

PM’d

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Working_Football1586@reddit

Not really, the pilots all tend to be pretty decent anywhere. I would never voluntarily fly on a SW plane as a customer but there pilots and crews are always really nice same with Spirit.

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dragonguy0@reddit

As someone who flies for a 135 as a career:

Lol yes.

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Negative_Swan_9459@reddit

Anyone that’s been around a bit understands the swings in the airline market that are largely out of your control.

Some of the newer entrants don’t seem to understand this and seem to get a bit arrogant in my personal experience.

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poser765@reddit

Obligatory delta comment. But, shit, even the idea of a delta hat wearing prick is mostly just a meme. For the most part we are all in the same shit. Joking aside most of are are respectful of others in the business.

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miianwilson@reddit

I was recently on a Delta Jumpseat where a captain yelled at the meow-ers on guard saying “this is why you’ll never work at delta”. I hate the meowing as much as anyone, but this dude definitely believed he was superior to every other airline.

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trawkins@reddit

That last paragraph is why jumpseating the legacies domestically is always a trip. I’m relatively young, so when they see four bars, everyone assumes I’m at a regional, and half the time the conversation turns into a recruiting campaign.

I’ve done every kind of operation besides a polar route and been to five continents in a plane that takes this narrow-body’s weight in a fuel load. Not everyone wants to kiss your feet because you have a higher 401k contribution to land in DFW 16 times a month.

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Shark-Force@reddit

Uhh… I mean between flying a bigger plane and a 401k contribution I’ll take the 401k contribution.

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trawkins@reddit

That’s fine but my point is no one is inherently superior because you work for a particular company or happen to make more and it’s annoying to be treated like that. I’m not going to take 6% more pay to be away from home a third more of the time in order to have the least stimulating flying experience available at that pay scale. I don’t judge anyone for being happy where they’re comfortable in the career, because I for one know it’s not all about the money.

That said I do get a rise out telling certain captains that I’m not interested in their airline because I make the same as they do, and get to enjoy a flight deck where you don’t have to touch the Jumpseater’s junk to grab something off the printer.

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Shark-Force@reddit

Ok but you keep going on about why people at legacies are stupid for choosing a horrible lifestyle for money. It sounds like you think majors and legacies are sour grapes.

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wayofaway@reddit

Probably a delta guy meowing...

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Derp_McShlurp@reddit

I rode on enough of their jumpseats when I commuted to get pretty good at guessing who was "old Delta" vs prior Northwest. There is definitely some truth to the Delta memes.

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PullDoNotRotate@reddit

I could always tell when someone on my RJ jumpseat was L-NWA or L-WAL (the handful of 'em still working then) vs. "real" Delta.

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TRex_N_Truex@reddit

Through my career I haven’t had too many bad JS experiences, but when I did, I can guarantee it was with a Delta south mad dog crew.

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Paranoma@reddit

Respectfully: BS. When I was a regional Captain I had DL FO’s up in first class who completely ignored me when I said hello. Many crews have ignored us as we said hello passing them in the halls. When I got hired at DL it was VERY clear they knew their reputation and wanted to change it. Too little, too late. Also, unfortunately there is a type of person that wants to work at DL (not that that’s a bad thing) who are looking for that sort of….. prestige (?) I guess?

After I got hired, which I didn’t expect I would talk to guys and ask them how it was there. Their answer was always along the lines of: “yea, it’s ok… pretty good but of course some people you don’t want to fly with again.” At UA? The answer was always: “DUUUDE! It’s awesome, why aren’t you here already? We’d love to have you.”

Because of that attitude and culture my choice has always been UA and I’m extremely grateful I ended up there but my point is that there is definitely a difference in culture and the stereotype is somewhat deserved. The newer gang there is great tho! I’ve got great friends and DL.

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ZOB_oo_land@reddit

unfortunately there is a type of person that wants to work at DL

Yeah fuck me for wanting to work for the only legacy with a base in my hometown I guess

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wayofaway@reddit

Yep, the real difference between the legacies--domiciles. The other stuff is pretty minor.

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ZOB_oo_land@reddit

Exactly.

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ATACB@reddit

I once heard a delta guy tell me at a bar he would have been an astronaut but delta called first. We pretty much laughed him out of the room. My brother your drinking here in the shit hole with lcc trash lighten up

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a_provo_yakker@reddit

It’s certainty not a meme. As the other guy points out, it’s not Old Delduh anymore, but there’s enough. Just like I can tell when someone is legAAcy or not when I fly with them; can’t really tell upfront which subset of mergers the others came from but the legAAcy guys for sure have a whole different air about them.

Anyway same at Hat Air Lines. It’s not as bad as once was but the stereotype exists for a reason. On top of that, there are plenty of things which are objectively better. Pay rates a bit better, various CBA and other perks are a bit better, hotels (on a broad scale) are better. And then on the business side; product is better, reliability and on time is better, customer satisfaction is better, profitability is better.

I say that as a former frequent flier with medium to high medallion status, former regional connection pilot, former commuter on a lot of DL flights, watching the pulse of the markets, and also it’s our preferred airline to purchase tickets on. Some things are just objectively better - but I don’t really think any of us are bitter about it. No one can be #1 forever, so I’m happy enough being a solid #3 out of 3.

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PiperFM@reddit

Yep. I’ve met almost all cool Delta pilots.

And I’ve met a stereotypical one. I never felt looked down on as a mechanic by any pilot other than a select few Private Pilots and a Delta 737 captain

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TristanwithaT@reddit

Looking down on the people who are keeping the airplane you fly safe to operate is absolutely wild to me. Plus I can’t even comprehend the knowledge they have. I barely trust myself to work on my car.

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PullDoNotRotate@reddit

The worst part about working for a ULCC was telling people I worked for a ULCC.

Read it, think about it, read it again, and think about it some more.

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proudlyhumble@reddit

There’s one dorito air line that rarely acknowledges other pilots in the terminal.

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SubarcticFarmer@reddit

The only airline I ever had flat out refuse to acknowledge my presence on any type of regular basis was Skywest when I was at a regional and I even think that culture is dead or dying now.

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cincocerodos@reddit

They still do it, but it mostly seems to be the young guys who are strutting around the terminal with their AirPods in.

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Big_Assignment5949@reddit

Every chance we get.

You fly for spirit? I could never. You fly an Airbus? I could never. You don't fly an Gulfstream? You could never. You fly multi-engine cargo? Real pilots are single engine over water, real piloting. You fly domestic? Wait til you hear the controllers into Rome. Oh man, narrow body pilots thinking they're moving metal is so cute. You fly people? Won't catch me; cargo4lyfe. Oh you have automation? Real pilots hand fly. Oh, you hand fly? Tell me you can't understand the automation pyramid or the intricacies of CRM. Congrats on landing on a 12 thousand foot runway, systems manager. Real pilots land on sandbars.

No one is a real pilot, except for me. Because only I do real pilot things. What about people who do the same thing? Oh, okay but I do it better.

Until a non pilot shows up, then we're united against a common enemy. (Not a company endorsement)

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PullDoNotRotate@reddit

United are united against United (five times fast), so

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SpiritFlight404@reddit

Absolutely.

Especially for family and friends they’ll always look down on whatever airline or air line you work for if it isn’t the big 3. Then some others will tell you to explicitly work for SW.

Some pilots see you as equals. Some ask if you have your App in.

Cargo carriers are even seen as less than some majors.

It doesn’t matter if you have a paycheck and you enjoy your work.

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ApatheticSkyentist@reddit

My mother tells everyone I’m a “private pilot” because I’m not an airline pilot.

I just accept it 😂

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-burnr-@reddit

Don't tell my Mom that I'm a pilot. She still thinks I play piano at a whorehouse.

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greenflash1775@reddit

How do you think I got my job as a pilot?

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ThnkGdImNotAReditMod@reddit

She knows, we talked about it at aforementioned whorehouse

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pattern_altitude@reddit

Odds are nobody she's telling that to knows better so you're probably still in the clear in a roundabout way...

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feliznavidad25@reddit

Can we see the gulfstream tramp stamp?

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ApatheticSkyentist@reddit

Me and the other guy press our tats together when we need to combine brain power.

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greenflash1775@reddit

Yes, but not in the way you think and not in a superior dickish way. This industry is crazy and if you’ve been around a while you’ve been through some shit. If you’re currently at an airline doing well (DAL, UAL, ALK) then you feel for the pilots at Spirit or Air Whiskey and do what you can to help them get on where you are. Everyone gets their turn in the barrel and karma is real.

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bstorm83@reddit

I scammed the system. Didn’t go CFI all the way up. Just went military and straight to a legacy. There is a lot of playful rivalry with my friends in other airlines but that’s it.

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JPAV8R@reddit

Noticeable senses of superiority is how I wound up at the place I’m at.

If an airline has a noticeable sense of superiority then I’m glad I don’t fly for them.

At a certain level we’re all pretty equal. Everyone from the “flying professionals” to the least favored single pilot cargo operations have had head scratching incidents that are told as in-house tales of “don’t do that”

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woop_woop_pull_upp@reddit

The only superior pilots are tailwheel pilots. We look at non tailwheel pilots very condescendingly while sitting at an angle.

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wayofaway@reddit

It really helps you look down your nose at us.

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idontgetitohwait@reddit

If someone tells a pilot that they are the best, it won’t take much for a pilot to believe it. I know of two airlines that tell their pilots this, and the folks I know at each fully believe it.

To pilot on delta though, a colleague had an epiphany he shared with me: they reason they don’t say hi in the terminal is not that delta pilots look down on other airlines- they don’t like each other either, much less you.

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tokencloud@reddit

I only see it online

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ZOB_oo_land@reddit

Even online I think a lot of that is dying off. Obviously there's still some of it, but it it seems less prevalent than it once was.

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Matuteg@reddit

lol I judge you based on your JS manners. One time a delta guy came, slammed his JS CAAS boarding pass on the JS and said “I guess I’m riding with you”. Back the fuck down buddy

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SubarcticFarmer@reddit

It's a very precarious perch to feel that way. Not long ago FedEx and UPS were the place to be. Around 2008 pilots were leaving all the big 3 to go to Southwest and Alaska (and cargo if they could get it). Spirit was definitely seen as a destination airline around the time of their strike.

It wasn't long ago that Southwest had pilots easily making more than the top widebody Captains at American, Delta, or United. Alaska probably did too. Until very recently FedEx and UPS were considered top tier and, for many, still above the big three, and pilots would flow both directions. Things can easily change and it go back that way again. Around this time in 2020 everyone at a passenger airline wished they were at Purple or Brown.

For me the big thing is getting somewhere that controls its own flying. Not that there can't be good jobs or careers at those places but I never felt like my job was remotely safe there. It's not a sense of superiority though, more a sense of "making it."

Working somewhere else doesn't mean you're a better or worse pilot, it just means you're either in a different place in your career or maybe just got really lucky.

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WIS_pilot@reddit

Lots of DELTA AIR LINES coping in this thread

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10and250@reddit

Lots of truth to the stereotype

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Wanttobefreewc@reddit

Yes, but those that do are in the minority and are douche bags.

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chrivasintl@reddit

Depends on our ego

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TRex_N_Truex@reddit

When I was at one of the Ewww carriers I heard this a couple times. It was usually from someone seemingly with the biggest life accomplishment of pregnant in high school or “owns light switch cover featuring the naked fisherman”

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pooserboy@reddit

Lmao I was talking to one of my old high school friends I ran into a year ago when I mentioned I had a GIV offer but was locked into a 5 year contract and it paid criminally low. I mentioned that offer and then somehow the topic got to spirit pilots and she said “at least you aren’t a pilot there”

Ma’am 2nd year spirit FO’s make double what my GIV CJO was and I’m on call 24/7. I’d give my left nut to be sitting in class at spirit instead.

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Kiss-My-Class@reddit

Yes, but it’s usually kept quiet……until you ask for the jump.

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IndependenceBig1036@reddit

Having a job being able to fly planes is a luxury in and of itself. There are less pilots than there are doctors and lawyers. I seen a statistic that there are 24 million millionaires in the US, and less than 850,000 licensed pilots. Just be grateful that you’re employed, and that you have the best office of any profession in the world.

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Ambitious_Bee9564@reddit

"Having a job is a luxury" get real brother. I get that you're envious. But my job is not a "luxury."

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Such-Entrepreneur663@reddit

Go clean toilets, build houses, clean septic tanks, or cut grass for a year and get back to us on it not being a luxury. Lol.

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Ambitious_Bee9564@reddit

I worked construction, retail, office, I've done it all brother. If thats the route you want to go, then getting a paycheck is a luxury.

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Such-Entrepreneur663@reddit

If you think being in the top 5% of earners and working less than most people will until retirement isn’t a luxury hop back in the office or go back to building houses.

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IndependenceBig1036@reddit

Not envious at all. I’m going my own route in aviation. I couldn’t care less about working for the airlines. I will be doing backcountry flying in AK once I meet the hours. Your job is absolutely a luxury for others that won’t or can’t ever become a pilot for whatever reason.. whether it’s medical, criminal, financial, etc. Some people like to take things for granted, like you. But go off, I guess.

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IndependenceBig1036@reddit

I’m going into aviation from the restoration industry. Cleaning up after sewage floods, mold, unattended death/suicide cleanups. Complete cleanup, removal, sanitation, and rebuilding the structure after. Yeah… it’s definitely a luxury from where I’m coming from. That dude is delusional.

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Joe_Littles@reddit

Never have I met as many people who make their employer their personalities as airline pilots online lol.

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BeefyMcPissflaps@reddit

Pilots having egos? No way!

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GeorgiaPilot172@reddit

My Air Line is the best

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External-Creme-6226@reddit

Agreed! Air Lines> Airlines….

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extralegal@reddit

Not among anyone in the industry worth actually knowing.

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12kVStr8tothenips@reddit

Only with “the hat wearers”. Also, see “Riddle Rats” aka Ermby Diddle.

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Weasel474@reddit

Only amongst non-pilots and assholes. Most normal pilots are just happy to see others in the field, and are pretty supportive- for example, we're all hoping for the best for the Spirit guys during their airlines financial shitshow. There's always going to be shittalking, but it's more like sibling rivalry than anything else.

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