Title: So... apes were taught sign language since the '60s — but not once have they ever asked a question. What if they just need magic mushrooms
Posted by East_Hearing5131@reddit | CrazyIdeas | View on Reddit | 42 comments
Post: I was reading about how chimps, gorillas, and even bonobos have been taught sign language for decades — and some of them got pretty good at it. Like, Washoe the chimp signed “water bird” when she saw a swan. That’s pretty poetic for a little furball.
But here’s the wild part: none of them have ever asked a single question. Not once. No “what’s that?” No “where’d you go?” No “why is the sky blue?” Ever. They can answer questions. They can express wants or feelings. But they don’t seem to get curious.
And that got me wondering… what if they’re just missing the spark? Like, what if they need a little nudge? Something to break the mental filter.
...Like magic mushrooms?
Hear me out — there’s that whole Stoned Ape Theory, right? Where early humans supposedly evolved higher consciousness (language, art, curiosity) after eating psilocybin mushrooms in the wild. What if that same stuff could unlock whatever’s keeping apes from asking questions?
I’m not saying we should go dosing gorillas (ethics, obviously), but imagine if one of them had a safe, low-dose trip and suddenly signed:
“Why are you here?” “Where do I go when I sleep?” “Who made the bananas?”
That would shake science (and probably religion) to its core. I know it’s all theoretical and speculative, but still — kind of a trippy thought, yeah?
DamnImBeautiful@reddit
They were taught sign language, but it was never proved they actually understood it.
They just made random signs until something worked. The scientist focus on that specific sign, and not the countless other signs that were thrown up haphazardly before
c3534l@reddit
In the original study, it turns out the researcher didn't even know what sign language was. She thought it was just vague gesturing and apparently did not understand that sign languages are actual languages with grammar and syntax and vocabulary. She did the entire study and never bothered to, like, meet with a deaf person or anything.
Other apes can learn signs, but what they produce is ungrammatical and not speech.
SmugDruggler95@reddit
Why would you meet with a deaf person?
That's like teaching a dog English then proving it can talk by taking it to China
c3534l@reddit
If you wanted to prove that you could teach Chinese to a human, don't you think you might want to talk to a Chinese person? Ask them how Chinese works? Maybe learn a few basic phrases? It would be useful even if you knew Chinese was an actual language, something that a shockingly small number of people, including the original researcher, don't know.
sillybilly8102@reddit
Has no one done a study since?
c3534l@reddit
Of course. That's why I added that other apes cal rign, but its ungrammatical. Its not an actual human sign language. They cannot learn language, just a limited set of vocabulary.
fan_of_the_pikachu@reddit
Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange fuck you for doubting her methodology.
barking420@reddit
koko birkin bag jealousy professor 🙄
baumpop@reddit
this guy gets it, give mushrooms to crows.
Spackleberry@reddit
Do you want to risk having to share the Earth with sentient corvids? Because I don't.
jellifercuz@reddit
I’m not entirely certain they would share.
Trygor_YT@reddit
They would… if you’re on their good side :3
JCMiller23@reddit
if they grow thumbs it's game over for us
WTK55@reddit
The inner goth in me does though!
AddictedToRugs@reddit
Michael Chrichton is to blame for the myth of the signing ape entering the public imagination.
lilmizlovely@reddit
Why is no one questioning this ChatGPT post that didn’t even edit out “Title:” and “Post:”…
thisisanexperimentt@reddit
Thank you for pointing this out, I skipped right past those
sillybilly8102@reddit
Wow dang me too
AddictedToRugs@reddit
Plot twist; apes have never successfully been taught sign language. Michael Chrichton made that up for his novel Congo.
Turbulent-Name-8349@reddit
The chimpanzee Washoe learned approximately 350 signs of American sign language, also teaching her adopted son Loulis some signs. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washoe_(chimpanzee)
AddictedToRugs@reddit
And it was never proven that Washoe understood what those signs meant.
sillybilly8102@reddit
How can you prove understanding or lack thereof?
chullyman@reddit
The stoned ape theory doesn’t make any sense
IonTheBall2@reddit
Yeah, crazy idea.
JungleCakes@reddit
To hell with ethics! Let’s get some trippy gorillas!
ivthreadp110@reddit
On this topic what is a highly interesting study was they gave octopuses ecstasy normally octopuses would kill each other on site they gave them ecstasy somehow MDMA.. they cuddled for a while until it wore off and then they killed each other but... I am sure that was an ivy League school experiment by science students that were pretty high when they came up with that idea.
But yet it was still a very unexpected and interesting results.
Whosebert@reddit
do you have a source? sounds like an ethics panel should have shut down that experiment.
barking420@reddit
reminds me of the old days “my pet octopus took some MDMA and cuddled with all his friends” hahaha
Cynical_Tripster@reddit
Naw that sounds closer to a pulp Anime title. Just add "That time" before 'my pet octopus'
AddictedToRugs@reddit
It also sounds like the title of a Chuck Tingle book.
Turbulent-Name-8349@reddit
John C Lilly is famous/infamous for feeding hallucinogens to animals and observing the results in a scientific way.
Author of "The mind of the dolphin, a study in nonhuman intelligence", 1967. And "The centre of the cyclone, an autobiography of inner space", 1972.
shroomigator@reddit
Motherfucker do not give hallucinogens to a creature that can rip your arms off
Just dont.
YungNuisance@reddit
I’ve seen a gorilla dig out a turd nugget and chase another gorilla with it. It might be worth the risk.
AddictedToRugs@reddit
So gorillas have a sense of humour. Interesting. I wonder if they know farts are funny.
JCMiller23@reddit
let the wookie win
Talloakster@reddit
I would love to hear an ape psychologist describe the tasks that they can almost do, and how those are tested... And then see the results
I_might_be_weasel@reddit
And cats can talk with buttons. Let's give them heroine.
arrpix@reddit
Christ how did my cat get on the internet
Neebat@reddit
Wasn't that hard when you passed out masturbating and left the porn running. Have some self-respect, human.
SamLooksAt@reddit
Maybe they just think we are too stupid to know the answers.
Accomplished_Ant5895@reddit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoned_ape_theory
lawpoop@reddit
Jamie, pull that up