An Epic deal
Posted by Meteorstar101@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 312 comments
Posted by Meteorstar101@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 312 comments
DonkeyKongOnN64@reddit
They’d literally win this war if they just allowed all the uncensored hentai games that Steam actively bans.
CheesyMcBreazy@reddit
Yes, let's flood the launcher that children use to play Fortnite with infinity hentai games.
TooLazyToBeClever@reddit
I'm so glad you agree! Petition?
SquegeeMcgee@reddit
Steam does allow uncensored hentai games, they're probably just hidden by your account settings
fork_on_the_floor2@reddit
Nah I think he means games that even steam is like "fuck no. We ain't selling that".
Which is probably some absolutely obscene degenerate trash games that no one should actually play. The type of shit where you should be on a watch list for even wanting to play it.
nyxo1@reddit
I have a game in my steam library where you play as a dragon that has sex with and impregnates elves, orcs, men, and women...
fork_on_the_floor2@reddit
Congrats. Steam doesn't care about most fetish stuff, tho apparently developers of mind-control games have challenges with steam, I guess because of how rapey it is.
But what you do as a dragon fucking elves ain't breaking any laws that I know of.
But the second you say "I play as a dragon who fks babies to death" I'm going to tell you to seek therapy immediately. Or at least to consider how you might feel having to explain why you play such a game, in front of a jury.
Username928351@reddit
Yeah like Holy Undead, which is an entirely SFW visual novel.
https://noisypixel.net/holy-undead-delisted-from-steam-week-before-release/
fork_on_the_floor2@reddit
I wouldn't say "entirely SFW" when apparently the most likely reason for the delisting of many VN's is due to the sexualized depiction of minors. That's the assumption made regarding Holy Undead.
Tokyo clanpool is by Compile Heart. So you cannot possibly act like it's not going to contain sexualized minors lol.
They reviewed their decision on Chaos child and decided to allow it. Not sure what the issue is there. Better to be safe than sorry imo.
Username928351@reddit
Nintendo of all platforms seems completely fine with these games.
> They reviewed their decision on Chaos child and decided to allow it. Not sure what the issue is there. Better to be safe than sorry imo.
Only because there was a minor media ruckus. "Safe" against what exactly?
fork_on_the_floor2@reddit
Holy undead isn't on switch.
Also Nintendo can be a bit more chill because you can't mod & install patches to switch games like you easily can on steam.
Safe against what? - oh I duno, maybe distributing child pornography and getting the entire platform banned in a bunch of countries.
Username928351@reddit
Ah yes, child pornography that is sold in Walmart and globally via Nintendo e-shop.
fork_on_the_floor2@reddit
You asked a question: "safe from what" so I answered. As in, they didn't have it listed, until they reviewed it and determined it was OK.
I didn't say Chaos child = child porn.
NavyTrap@reddit
What do you mean you don't want to play "Sex With Stalin 2"??
fork_on_the_floor2@reddit
Lol. I just checked and there are not one, not two. But SEVEN Hitler sex games on steam.
So like, if Furry Hitler is allowed on steam, whatever the games are that steam says no to, must be truly criminal.
SpicySanchezz@reddit
They are probably some pedo loli games or some weird ass zoophilia shit etc.
fork_on_the_floor2@reddit
Exactly!! So to suggest that the creators of Fortnite should start selling sick shit that's illegal in a bunch of countries? Terrible terrible terrible idea.
TheSunIsOurEnemy@reddit
They do but they're strangely selective and inconsistent so there's a lot of shit that don't get through and you have to buy them somewhere else like mangagamer or jast.
TheSunIsOurEnemy@reddit
They do but they're strangely selective and inconsistent so there's a lot of shit that don't get through and you have to buy them somewhere else (which makes it very annoying).
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
Lmao, what a take
IT_techsupport@reddit
Do you know why VHX won over betamax? or bluray over hddvd?
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
I was price and proprietary price.
IT_techsupport@reddit
Also see: tumblr porn ban. you can argue all you want , but ppl are horny and they will pay for porn regardless of the platform begin free or not. if twitter removed porn it would also go down too.
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
What the fuck are you talking about?
Do you know that steam became the gigant it is today with a total ban of pornographic games?
eduardopy@reddit
idk theres a bunch of weird ass porn games on steam
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
Untill 2018 no explicit games were allowed.
dajoos4kin@reddit
I think the point he's trying to make is that epic should compete by not competing directly and appealing to the niche of starved gooners who don't have an easy access hub for their porn games
Spiritual_Bus1125@reddit
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, I swear
TotallyBrandNewName@reddit
I mean.. he as a valid point...
It would make epic more epic than how much epic epic is now
TheRealSnazzyGaming@reddit
That is a grammatically correct sentence and I hate it
TotallyBrandNewName@reddit
tukatu0@reddit
Unfortunately they are a public company so they can never truly be epic
Rosselman@reddit
Huh? They are not. Epic is private.
tukatu0@reddit
Well they have earnings calls. So they aren't completely closed off. Or .. Something similar to earnings call when they anounce how well they are doing
shanatard@reddit
Ngl I think he's right...
dragonwarriornoa@reddit
I play a lot of uncensored hentai games on steam, what do you mean?
destroyerOfTards@reddit
What do you mean uncensored hentai games? Do you have examples?
dragonwarriornoa@reddit
Cloud Meadow’s the one I play the most
Username928351@reddit
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aAbrEDNa2NmgntrKtij0RuxKneiFcTJisGyfMUv2nnM/htmlview
dragonwarriornoa@reddit
Huh, neat
Professional-Reach96@reddit
Rance
HeirAscend@reddit
He’s baiting for a list
Lazarous86@reddit
Making a list
Mr-Stuff-Doer@reddit
I literally have several uncensored hentai games through Steam.
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
You have to download patches for that
leanorange@reddit
Alright man that’s cool
Stargost_@reddit
They would also lose that war because then they would need to fight another titan of the gaming industry: Nutaku.
I'm not kidding you, that thing sees monthly player counts of around 75% of what Steam manages.
SomeCrazyBastard@reddit
panjeri@reddit
Steam doesn't ban those because they dislike degeneracy, they're actually one of the most permissive storefronts for degenerate content period. The problem is payment processors like Visa/Mastercard, Paypal, etc, and their aversion to pornographic stuff.
Hiphopapocalyptic@reddit
It worked for VHS
snow_clown@reddit
And dvd and Blu-ray. Remember HD-DVD?
Icefox119@reddit
member Super VHS
ikeepcomingbackhaha@reddit
It was called beta max, but yea I do
Icefox119@reddit
Betamax actually predates VHS
ikeepcomingbackhaha@reddit
Holy shit, I did not even remember super vhs, I thought you were making a joke lol
I knew beta max came out beforehand but I just was referencing that vhs killed it. I actually had a beta max player in college that I salvaged. We got it to work, kinda lol
DontBuyMeGoldGiveBTC@reddit
And for Stable Diffusion and the general image gen market
snow_clown@reddit
And dvd and Blu-ray. Remember HD-DVD?
RaidenHUN@reddit
If even Steam bans a game that has to be diabolical.... a literal war crime of a hentai game
TUNNNNA@reddit
There are hentai games? 😂
Vaati006@reddit
Now that would be an EPIC move
d3c4y3d_1@reddit
You have massively overestimated the number of other people that jack off to cartoons, you literal degenerate.
DarkFlameShadowNinja@reddit
This
The number of chaotic game bans from steam makes no sense sometimes they need to stop where Epic Games like their name can easily step in
Clay-mo@reddit
It's almost like all the incentives in the world are meaningless if the core product is a piece of shit.
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
I really don't get the hate. It's easily the 2nd best platform behind steam, there are so many smaller and more irritating ones now. It does the job, occasionally gives you free shit, I've never had it break.
It would be nice to have reviews and a bit more installation control, but like, it's fine.
Dr_Plantboss@reddit
Being in second doesn't mean much when you're still laps behind
mason3991@reddit
Literally yesterday epic would not even tell me which DLC I owned when I tried to buy the ones I didn’t on the storefront. How is that not a basic feature?
Simsonis@reddit
Does epic have workshop support and community platforms and the same kind of feature depth as steam with it's profile and user interfaces? Like not having reviews on it's own is a pretty big deal. You can literally see reviews from Real customers under the product instead of going on youtube, where looking at one single review takes way longer than skimming a bunch on steam because it's Video and not text. You also get a bunch of biased reviewers that are either shit at games or soy indie games because of their presentation (not hating on indies, but some games like Peripataeia are literally shit and there is not a single youtube video talking about, the steam reviews are really critical)
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
It doesn't, but I personally find nexus/vortex better for modding anyway.
Defiant-Plantain1873@reddit
All the armchair geniuses in the comments neglecting the fact that this deal has been in place for exactly 7 days so far.
Maybe give it a bit more time before declaring
ACSPECK@reddit
Then they get all the AI and crypto games because they can't give a shit to moderate their platform so it's full of trash. Let alone losing my account to a data breach, and for Epic support to tell me 3 times my full legal name and card information doesn't match their database.
HungerSTGF@reddit
They have a shopping cart now bro please shop
arisasam@reddit
I’m sure I’m alone in this but I hate shopping carts. I will buy the thing I want, then if I want another thing I will buy that thing. I don’t need to run a tab. Just let me buy each thing when I want to buy it.
UnsureAndUnqualified@reddit
Don't worry, when buying several things it still puts you on the top of the front page after you add a game to the cart and go back. So because they moved the free games way down, you now need to scroll a lot between adding games. So it's still super annoying.
EZPZKILLMEPLZ@reddit
Wait, but I thought the lack of a shopping cart was actually a genius way to protect customers' wallets by stopping them from buying too many games at once. Are you telling me it wasn't intentional and was actually just piss poor storefront design?
HungerSTGF@reddit
EGS was so unrelentingly clowned on for so long because it didn't have a shopping cart. It was on their to-do list for a while because it was like the number one complaint.
When they give away more than one game at a time, or had a big sale, its absence was really noticeable.
UglyInThMorning@reddit
In 2019 I was buying stuff on their store because they had the sale+coupons. It went from “annoying” to “fuck this store” when the repeated transactions made my bank lock my card on me.
bittercripple6969@reddit
Oh wow, congratulations, they caught up to every other e-commerce site 20 years late. Bravo. One down, a million to go.
Drevstarn@reddit
How do they make a million from free games?
BiasHyperion784@reddit
They wasted 10 years not getting massive market share like Steam, and now they have to compete with a titan, and the "monopoly" lawsuits aren't panning out.
I_am_thicc@reddit
epic is doing everything but actually competing with a better service against steam. Epic can go fuck itself.
DeepJudgment@reddit
Ikr, it's not like Steam is just bigger. Steam is also just much better as a service. Epic's UI is just trash, I hate using it every rare time that I have to
TheGoldblum@reddit
I decided to start learning Unreal recently and fucking despise the fact I have to have the Epic launcher installed to use it. I refuse to use the launcher for games. Couldn’t care less how many free games I’m missing out on.
DarkArc76@reddit
Like the other guy said, the only reason I use Epic is cause I got the Batman games for free on his 75th anniversary and New Vegas / Skyrim for free for some reason. And even then, I ended up rebuying Skyrim on Steam cause the Epic version is not compatible with SSE (Skyrim Script Extender which is required for most mods)
runswithclippers@reddit
Steam I can move games around or load them from other devices, Epic can barely recognize the games I installed THRU epic.
Danny_dankvito@reddit
One time I tried one of the free games because it looked good, thought “Hey this is fun”, and just bought the game on Steam full price so I didn’t have to play it through Epic
(The game was Loop Hero, if you’re curious)
Slide-Maleficent@reddit
This is like, the exact story that developers are trying to hear when they sell their game to Epic to drop for free.
psychocopter@reddit
The ui is terrible is the main reason there isnt any real competition for steam. Every other launcher/storefront has been awful to deal with compared to steam. Xbox on pc, origin, battle.net, riot games, etc all are worse to use than steam.
WernerWindig@reddit
And it's not even like Steam having such a great UI. It's just serviceable and does what it supposed to do, without changing every year.
ProblemEfficient6502@reddit
And, even when it does change, it actually feels like overall improvements. The newest UI that merged game news with the library was a great change.
SuperSocialMan@reddit
lol for real.
iyav@reddit
The UI is still as much of a pain to navigate as it was in 2018 it's insane
ZorbaTHut@reddit
That's not totally true! There's a wishlist now! There's a shopping cart! It doesn't even try to trick you into giving your email away! It's definitely improving!
At this rate, it'll be comparable to early-2020's Steam in only another decade or two!
J_T_L_@reddit
Genuine question, how has steam improved from the early 2020s to now? I use it pretty actively, but I don't think much has changed in the past 5 years
Comfortable-Cry8165@reddit
On the main UI not much.
But 5-6 years ago it was much more laggy, unresponsive, and memory hog. They fixed them mostly, so it doesn't feel like banging an anvil anymore.
In the store, they had some policy changes, like no ads in games, and changed featured games so that people can discover more indie and less-known games. If not mistaken, they made it so that shovelware/AI slop won't end up on Steam. I probably missed a lot too.
Overall, probably didn't change much in our daily life, but considering the lack of global gaming regulations, it's a nice to have Gaben regulate it for us
Slide-Maleficent@reddit
They definitely did not make it so that shovelware, asset flips and AI slop didn't end up on Steam. They just made it less likely to show up in your list unless you were looking at stuff of the same quality.
RodjaJP@reddit
So the improvements come in the details? That's cool, wish more services also did focus on the details that improve our experience without us noticing
Now I'm questioning what Zorba meant when he talked about Epic being near to Steam's early 2020s because Epic is still way far away from that
J_T_L_@reddit
Yea fair enough
Foxfox105@reddit
I think family sharing and remote local play is better now
FrazzleFlib@reddit
maybe a hot take but i really like the ui update and overlay rework they did a while ago
RodjaJP@reddit
Same, I don't even remember how it looked before, like in 2018, tried to find videos of the library UI but didn't find anything.
UW0TM80@reddit
You cant fix perfection
NowaVision@reddit
I had to mark the free claimed games I want to play as favorites to separate them from all the trash free games I claimed because I'm a globlin, just because they don't have a hide function.
sebkraj@reddit
I haven't checked in a while but I remember there were no user reviews on the epic game store which to me is so dumb. Where should I buy my game? The place where I can read thousands of user reviews of course.
RodjaJP@reddit
Now it is even dumber, there technically are "reviews" but all you can do is give it from 1 to 5 stars, and you only have this option randomly after playing for like 5 hours, this way shit games can't have bad reviews nor can you talk about the bad parts of a good game
MrEuphonium@reddit
My theory is new tech people suck big time compared to old ones as far as actual knowledge goes, and places like steam had/has the older long tenured ones that know little tricks and quirks about the systems they work with that they are able to provide a UI that is snappy and responsive.
Every other store sucks, the time it takes to load pages makes me question if I actually hit the button sometimes. Apps too, just pressing the back button sometimes makes everything slow to a mortis
crazy_cookie123@reddit
Today's developers absolutely can make snappy, responsive, and good UI like Steam has - it's the management which stops them from doing it.
The people running Steam value the user experience and therefore they invest in things which improve the user experience, like a fast and easy to navigate UI and better service - and that has given them a monopoly which allows them to make good money. They are obviously a company and do need to make money, but they know if they prioritise user experience they will make more in the long run than if they disregard all the trust they've built over years to make some short term profit.
Epic, and other modern companies, value the earnings in the next quarter or two, and so the investment goes towards things which make an immediate noticeable difference to their earnings. If Epic invested time and effort now into making their UI and service as good as Steam's they'd gradually start to catch up, but it would be slow and the initial investment would look bad for the next couple of quarters so they won't do it.
ImCaligulaI@reddit
That's not old companies vs new companies, it's privately owned vs publicly traded. If you're publicly traded you have to constantly increase short term profits because otherwise the investors will either replace you with someone that does or dump your stock and bankrupt the company.
Rosselman@reddit
Epic is not publicly traded. It’s private.
RodjaJP@reddit
Then this isn't about new vs old nor about public vs private, it's about companies that focus on giving a good service vs those who focus on short term earnings
ImCaligulaI@reddit
Yeah, but half of it is owned by publicly traded companies (Tencent, Disney and Sony), which still operate that way, and Tim Sweeney isn't the majority owner (even being the largest shareholder with around 40%).
Valve, on the other hand, is owned for more than 50% by Gabe Newell, the rest by other employees and privates, so it doesn't have the same pressures for short term profits.
rizzaxc@reddit
I'm not so sure dude. They have some very long term greenfield projects like the new asset store for their engine and it's just a buggy mess with missing features. You can't blame management for that
crazy_cookie123@reddit
A buggy mess with missing features can a lot of the time be blamed on managers, as a buggy mess with missing features usually means it was released too early which is very much a manager decision. A not uncommon exchange I see between developers (D) and managers (M) is something along the lines of:
It's a super toxic workplace environment and shouldn't be happening, but it does happen and is nine times out of ten the root cause (or at least one of the root causes) of these sorts of issues.
Developers are (broadly speaking) about as competent as they were 20 years ago when you consider those with at least a few years of experience, and developers now have access to tools which massively improve productivity. Bugs arising tends to be more a consequence of the environment they're working in not prioritising making a bug-free piece of software, rather than the developers not being able to write bug-free software.
rizzaxc@reddit
the problem with this argument is, it didn't require or take X months. it was a rewrite of their fully functional old store and there was no pressure on anyone - and it's not like a marquee product to attract investors or whatever - it's just a cog in the machine. and basic features didn't work/ wasn't there.
LoIiStaIin@reddit
The guy replying to you sounds like he either works as a software engineer or an engineering manager, and at the very least has a good understanding of the software development process. I think you should try to understand his point, because he is correct.
Any software has a certain amount of time it will take, and even though it is difficult to estimate, if you talk to your developers for long enough they will give you a fairly accurate timeline. The issue comes from the fact that non-technical management generally believes that the development process is something that can just be sped up with some added pressure. This is not the case. You can either drop features (which doesn't happen because management or sales already overpromised), or skimp elsewhere (skipping code reviews, unit testing, proper QA, etc.). This is not a developer's choice, this is management's choice. Developers prefer working in clean well structured projects, accumulating technical debt does not make them happy, but it satisfies the short term goals of management.
Even if development is having problems due to a lack of experience on the team, that is still a failure of management for not escalating a need for the onboarding of more technical people. If it were possible to hire 10 John Carmacks at a reasonable salary, you would, but that has never been the case. There is a reason why every (well functioning) software team is made up of a few juniors, mostly advanced, and one or two senior engineers. It is a technical manager/product owner's job to know what their team is capable of and to not promise anything that they are not capable of.
Good developers and bad developers have always existed, the biggest issue is that most non-technical managers today either can't tell, or don't believe there is a difference between the two aside from cost.
crazy_cookie123@reddit
And was it the fault of the developers or management that they decided to completely rewrite their store? That's right - management, exactly the people who I pointed out as being the problem.
Not every company can get the best of the best developers, and even the best can't complete large projects a whole lot faster than the average developer. Plus you can bet if the devs were able to do it in 1 month, management would get used to their speed and demand it done in 2 weeks.
I specified developers who have a few years experience in the workplace to get rid of the bad devs just chasing an easy paycheck, and it's reasonable to say that the vast majority of developers working at a company like Epic will have at least a few years of experience. Most of the ones that survive a few years in industry and are capable of working somewhere reasonably competitive are going to be competent developers - yes, even if they don't code outside of work: 40 hours of work per week is easily enough for a developer to be skilled in the area they work in.
Older developers started their careers in a time when bugs were not tolerated and they weren't rushed too much by their bosses (usually as a result of being seen as some kind of magic tech-wizard). Nowadays, bugs aren't considered too bad at all by managers as long as the profit's still there and programmers are being rushed more and more to get features out, so fixing bugs isn't the top priority. I guarantee if you gave developers the time they need to implement a bug free solution they'd implement a bug-free solution just like the programmers of 20+ years ago, but bug-free isn't the priority anymore so it's not what developers are doing.
rizzaxc@reddit
Saiyan-solar@reddit
It's not that new tech can't make snappen and nice UI, it's that they weren't given the time and resources to do so.
Tech went from moving at a snails pace in the early days to moving at warp speed, and to work faster and faster the tech people have started taking shortcuts to keep up with the ever increasing demands of their managers.
akmarksman@reddit
Same, I had to update the Mcds and Taco Bell app on my phone and instead of feeling snappy and work like they used to, it's lagging like it's a Web 1.0 page and I'm on a 56k modem.
MrEuphonium@reddit
Right? I click a page in the McDonald’s app, 20 seconds later the page loads, and then after another 30 seconds I’ll maybe have the items on that page load, and the picture of the items some time after that.
I get optimizing for every kind of device out there is hard but it shouldn’t be doing this on flagship phones.
Phoenixmaster1571@reddit
I also just trust Steam 10000x more than whatever corporate slop is behind Epic.
LucasButtercups@reddit
steam also steals hella money from ppl for hosting a download link but
porcomaster@reddit
Also known as: everytime i need to login to get the free games
I understand that feeling
blue_sky308@reddit
What you tell me you don't like getting flashbanged every time you open a game's store page?
RodjaJP@reddit
Best part is that Epic clearly can make a better store, but doing so would make them earn less money "If we add actual reviews then people would be less likely to buy the games :(" no shit bro
UglyInThMorning@reddit
Without realizing that without reviews, people buy less games because they’re less likely to use your store in the first place! Plus I’m more confident to pull the trigger on something if I can read the reviews- I’ve bought and enjoyed games I was on the fence on, that were sitting at “mixed”, because I thought they might appeal to me based on what I read in the reviews.
RodjaJP@reddit
Exactly, as big as the meme of steamers buying shit they don't know anything about because it has a 85% discount the reality is that when all of them got into steam they were careful about what they bought, only getting lazy after a years of paying attention
I'm not even asking for forums, workshop, personalized recommendations, and lower prices, all I want are real reviews for everyone in everything and better folders (the lack of a "unorganized" dynamic folder is very painful), it aint hard epic, im willing to pay for my games
UglyInThMorning@reddit
Shit, my account is 20 years old with 2300 games on it and I still pay attention if it’s not like “survivor clone that’s 1.49 on sale” type stuff, and even then I at least have a sense of what I’m rolling the dice on.
jonsnow312@reddit
I'm at the point now where if a game makes me install some bullshit launcher that I'm only gonna use for like maybe 2 games, I'm just not playing
EclipseMF@reddit
how is literally giving away free games every week not competing dude lol
Magnus_Helgisson@reddit
Ah yes, if I produce chairs, I just have to give my chairs to people for free and that will mean that I’m competing with IKEA.
EclipseMF@reddit
your analogy is odd to me because you seem to be claiming it's a bad strategy for epic, but I don't really care about epic - I like what they're doing because competition in the market like this is good for gamers. I just get the free games on epic and still mainly use steam for everything
thingamajig1987@reddit
No, what epic is doing is bad for gamers, it's "good" for developers. Being shoehorned into a very inferior software just to launch a game they sniped from other services to make epic exclusive is very anti consumer, but they entice devs to do it anyway.
They give away some games here and there to try to get people to stick around but epic needs to step it up or step down honestly, I've probably waited months for a game I was excited for just to avoid their horrible launcher in the same way I refuse to purchase EA or Ubisoft games on PC to avoid their launchers too.
manek101@reddit
May I ask, what is so horrible about it?
I get it lacks features, but for just playing a game do you even need that many features?
Sure its a little annoying but that is no reason to just shut down lol, I enjoy the discounts and free games
thingamajig1987@reddit
It doesn't really have any features at all, it does absolutely nothing but launch games and it can barely do that, especially for the resources it costs when just being idle. It's supposed to be a game manager but you can't manage your games at all, it's simply an excuse for epic to try to take revenue without any actual reason. It's to a point that I specifically avoid Epic on principle in hopes their launcher will fail so they stop stealing games to be epic exclusive, which has been happening less and less thankfully. They can keep their free games
crazy_cookie123@reddit
This is exactly why it's not good competition. Steam and Epic are both marketplaces for games, they make money by you buying games on their store and them taking a cut. The free games on Epic are intended to be a loss leader - they are an investment by Epic designed to encourage you to download their store so that you'll buy games on there instead of on their competitors stores. The issue is that they aren't as good as Steam, so everyone just uses their store to claim the free games every week (at Epic's expense) and uses Steam for all their actual purchases.
To actually be a real competitor to Steam they would need to provide a good user experience and good service, and as you've shown in this comment providing some free games every week isn't doing that for you (or for most other people).
Smooth_Monkey69420@reddit
Valve would have to get extremely desperate and greedy to fumble the ball right now. It’s hard to compete with a service that does precisely what it’s supposed to without being ultra-intrusive
RodjaJP@reddit
It isn't that hard to fumble the bag tho, all it needs is for a terrible person to become CEO and make the worst decisions possible, and that's what everyone fears
SnooWalruses3948@reddit
There is so much vitriol around a launcher. It always baffles me.
What has Epic actually done to receive the kind of rhetoric that Reddit usually saves for companies like Nestle?
Myusername468@reddit
Pay devs to put games on Epic instead of steam. Fuck using epic
SnooWalruses3948@reddit
Like Microsoft and Sony do?
aVarangian@reddit
in case you haven't noticed PC folks hate that nonsense too, to the point of making emulators
Gary_FucKing@reddit
Yeah, I don't think shitty launchers are even 1% the reason emulators are made lol.
aVarangian@reddit
the topic here was exclusivity nonsense
SnooWalruses3948@reddit
They don't treat S or M like lepers though.. I just think it's a strange set of affairs.
I think Steam is a better platform, but I don't hate Epic. I feel nothing for Epic, honestly. It seems strange and obsessive to knee jerk to "fuck Epic" whenever they come up as a topic
someordinarybypasser@reddit
In case of Microsoft and Sony they are either developing, owning or publishing the games they have on their marketplace. They sometimes own the rights to these games and can do whatever they want with them.
And even with that people hate on Sony and MS for making games exclusive to their platforms.
Epic on the other hand finds games with huge amounts of hype and pays the devs to be a marketplace for their game on a specific platform. And players hate epic for this.
SnooWalruses3948@reddit
Ok, just looking at Sony for now:
Street Fighter V (Capcom)
Final Fantasy VII Remake (Part 1) (Square Enix – timed exclusive for PlayStation)
Persona 5 (Atlus – PS3/PS4 exclusive at launch)
Ni no Kuni (Level-5)
Death Stranding (Kojima Productions – timed exclusive)
Silent Hill 2 Remake (Bloober Team – upcoming timed exclusive)
Kena: Bridge of Spirits (Ember Lab)
Sifu (Sloclap)
Forspoken (Square Enix – timed exclusive)
Nioh 1 & 2 (Team Ninja)
Just using chatGPT for a quick summary, it estimates 30–50+ notable third-party console exclusives over the PS4/PS5 generations.
someordinarybypasser@reddit
Did you even try to check the list yourself or did you simply copy-paste ChatGPT response? Half of your list was released on the same day for PS and PC while some games were EPIC GAMES STORE EXCLUSIVE. Other games were originally developed for PS4 and PORTED to PC. One game was developed for Nintendo DS!
Street fighter 5 released for ps4 and windows on the same day, 16.04.2016
FF7 was originally developed for PS4 and not available for other platforms. Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade, port of PS5 version was released on PC as EPIC exclusive
Persona 5 is only released on PS, what are you talking about?
Ni no kuni was developed for Nintendo DS, I wander how it got into this list?
Death stranding was also released for PS4 and then ported to Windows
Silent Hill 2 Remake released on PC and PS4 on the same day on 08.10.2024
Kena: Bridge of Spirits released on the same day on PC and PS4 on the same day on 21.09.2021 as EPIC GAMES STORE EXCLUSIVE
SIFU was released for PS4, PS5 and Windows on 08.02.2022. On windows it was EPIC GAMES STORE EXCLUSIVE.
Forspoken released on the same day on PS5 and Windows on 24.01.2023
Nioh 1 was originally released on PS4. PS5 version was PORTED to windows a year later. BTW do you know who is the publisher of this game?
Nioh 2 is the same thing.
SnooWalruses3948@reddit
Do you see how much this upsets you? It's not normal, man. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
These are games, not life-giving water. People are incredibly upset in this thread because I said.. Epic.. are they actually the devil incarnate?
And I'm not just talking about PS5/PC released but also console exclusives - which are a pretty direct analogue between Steam and Epic exclusives.
Arguably, they're even worse due to console systems creating a closed ecosystem.
Smeagleman6@reddit
You mean the same Sony and Microsoft who own the studios and bankroll projects from start to finish in order to get the exclusives? That's not nearly as bad as Epic coming in 2/3 of the way through a project and going "We'll give you $50 million to put this on our store exclusively for 6 months". That's scummy as fuck. I can agree that exclusives of any kind are awful in this day and age, but it's at least less scummy when the devs are owned by the company making it exclusive.
Ruvaakdein@reddit
Steam has an absurd number of features, both for users and developers.
Epic has a shit user experience, but signs exclusivity deals with games to get them onto their store, which leads to people needing to use their shitty launcher and resenting it.
Instead of actually improving the launcher by adding missing features, they keep throwing money at the wall by doing things like this, or giving away free games so people use their launcher.
They would rather do anything rather than improve their product for some reason only their shareholders knows.
SnooWalruses3948@reddit
What features are missing that would make Epic's launcher palatable?
Ruvaakdein@reddit
Here's 12 minute video by Just1n that explains it pretty well. Basically anything that has to do with community is missing from the Epic Launcher to start.
Even something like Steam Support actually doing their job affects it.
Lopunnymane@reddit
For it to actually add games to the library that are installed in the games folder? On their own fucking wiki they literally say that you have to rename the folder, start download, stop download immediately, put all the game files from the renamed folder into the new folder, start download again - FOR EACH GAME. So if their shit launcher EVER corrupts itself (does it every update) or god forbid for any reason you need to reinstall it - go fuck yourself.
Google it yourself, jackass - "Can the Epic Games Launcher detect previously installed games?"
SnooWalruses3948@reddit
"Jackass" - see what I mean? It's a launcher, get a grip. Not something to hurl insults over.
This is what I mean, people get bizarrely invested in this
Rosselman@reddit
For me, a Big Picture equivalent, a Steam Input equivalent, a Steam Link equivalent, a Steam Family Sharing equivalent and Linux support. All of those are right now on Steam.
Kai1977@reddit
Steam family sharing is the greatest thing in the world
Lopunnymane@reddit
Google why they don't have reviews for games in their store.
pylorih@reddit
Have you used the Epic launcher?
SnooWalruses3948@reddit
Yes, click game and it opens
Lopunnymane@reddit
It lags the more games you have installed, they literally recommend you use GPU hardware acceleration to use it - because it is THAT bad.
ExtremeCreamTeam@reddit
You're just up and down this comment section trying to earn your paycheck, huh?
ExtremeCreamTeam@reddit
It's crazy to me how you're up and down this comment section being so willfully ignorant at best and some sort of EGS evangelizing knob slobber or damage control employee / contractor at worst.
The_Cake-is_a-Lie@reddit
Just remembered we're on /r/greentext... here's to hoping that's why it's worse than usual.
The_Cake-is_a-Lie@reddit
I get not wanting to use the epic launcher - their launcher is slow, has a bad ui, and a lot of people already have a large steam library that doesn't carry over.
The hate of the launcher is ridiculous though! Steam finally got off their ass and have been improving their launcher in strides after years of stagnation with no competition. A lot of people forget that a lot of the newer and nicer features of steam came along right after epic started giving away free games. And then people also seem to be enraged by epic paying people for the games they make?? It's almost like they forget that those developers need money to make the games they love and they can still buy it on steam if they wait 6 months or however long. And they also don't take the 30% cut of the money like steam does. Games could be cheaper if they weren't all on steam.
All here for not using epic game launcher as is - their product still feels bad to use - but I do wish people wouldn't get bent out of shape at them when they've been improving the market as a whole. Here's to hoping they make their product better so there is competition in the space.
ExtremeCreamTeam@reddit
It's crazy to me how you're up and down this comment section being so willfully ignorant at best and some sort of EGS evangelizing knob slobber or astroturfing employee / contractor at worst.
Datdudecorks@reddit
Exclusivity deals were pretty much every nail in its coffin from the start. If they would have just pushed the bullshit dev cut narrative, better sales/coupons and actually improved the store they would have had virtually no pushback.
To be fair I don’t think this was all on Timmy. A portion of it is his ego but I still believe a lot of it is on Tencent pushing it out of being salty about perfect worlds getting the stream contract in China.
SnooWalruses3948@reddit
No one feels the same way about Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo for signing exclusivity agreements to keep games off Steam or exclusive to their platform.
I think the strength of feeling on this is a bit strange, honestly.
Datdudecorks@reddit
What? 3rd party exclusives have always drawn anger especially in the console space.
Epic made a lot of bad decisions that damaged their brand in a market where the consumers opened their wallets way more willingly.
aVarangian@reddit
upload info on everything you have installed in your system
being partly CCP-owned
buying off games to leave Steam when they were already there
sweeny has stated some dumbass nonsense
they don't understand that if they actually want users then they're better off actually making the launcher useful, rather than burning money on exclusives and giveaways and then whining about Steam being a "monopoly" lol
hary627@reddit
The launcher is the thing blocking you from playing the game. Steam spent a long time not being great and kinda getting in the way until it got it right. Steam also has more features than you could ever ask for, from basics like achievements and friends to things like fps counters and overlays and community forums and guides accessible in game. Steam has extensive mod support, allows for recording and streaming, and that's before getting to the storefront. Epic has close to none of that, has a really difficult to navigate storefront, and generally gets in the way more. As much as people generally hated blizzard's proprietary launcher I found it fine, didn't get in the way, but I actively dislike epic sometimes. Alongside that is what other people have said and the fact gamers are generally just kinda easy to upset
jerianbos@reddit
They had millions to spend, and instead of spending it on improving the launcher itself so it could be on par or even better than steam, they decided to spend it on bribing devs into not putting their games on steam.
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
Exclusivity deals
kdlt@reddit
Seriously this is all it takes.
People even have GOG a chance and that did a fraction of what steam does.
People aren't unwilling to use options, they just need to actually give a fuck, and make the customers feel welcome.
Steam does that. Epic fail does not.
Sesemebun@reddit
When I played Fortnite around release I had a positive view on them, then I stopped playing it and they encroached into Rocket League and completely fucking gutted it. Bought out Psyonix, made it f2p, jacked up all the micro transactions, removed trading and somehow seemingly killed all hype for the pro scene. And during all this they have done essentially nothing to actually update the game. No new mechanics or modes or anything other than mtx. Epic can eat shit
Shyassasain@reddit
I love it when the free market actually smites a fool(ish corporation)
-xXColtonXx-@reddit
I mean, we want competition really badly, or steam will become worse. They already are able to charge devs basically whatever they want. Competition would help bring down the cut steam is able to charge devs.
Belfengraeme@reddit
I just use epic for the free borderlands games ngl
show-me-dat-butthole@reddit
For sure. One example I like it moving game storage location.
On steam, you just click the move button and it will move the files
Epic, has a wiki page with convoluted steps involving manually moving the files yourself, performing a partial download and cancelling it at the right % complete to trick the library. The steps don't work half the time
pylorih@reddit
Exactly why I uninstalled.
The software is shit and you can’t keep me launching it to click on your free games.
Eventually I realized I didn’t need to do that.
Regret1836@reddit
Could of spent a fraction of their funds on MAKING THE UI NOT DOGSHIT
Berkuts_Lance_Plus@reddit
"Could of"
Brilliant-Mountain57@reddit
and not so unresponsive, the design doesn't other me its how fucking slow it is compared to steam. Everything takes agessss, its such a bother even claiming the free games when it takes so much time to do so.
RodjaJP@reddit
Lmao for a while I stoped claiming the free games because it would freeze in the white screen forever, if that's what I get for free I don't want to know how it feels when paying
Pleasant50BMGForce@reddit
If not Fortnite they would fucking collapse as a company
Impossible_Leg_2787@reddit
Lmao no they wouldn’t they still have unreal
Pleasant50BMGForce@reddit
Yeah but I believe workforce would be limited and for example ue5 wouldn’t release as fast
7K_K7@reddit
And unreal Engine 5
advocatus_diabolii@reddit
They've given up on Steam, they're taking aim at iOS now
Medical_Artichoke666@reddit
Epic Store is so cool. They give you two free games every week and you just... NEVER use it otherwise. Awesome app. 10/10.
TellmeNinetails@reddit
since they're digital and don't physically exist in reality the "loss" doesn't even exist.
Autumn_Fire@reddit
I love how the solution is to just stop fucking over their customers but they'd sooner choose a sinking ship.
outdatedboat@reddit
I have like 70 games on the epic launcher. I've never paid for a single one. I just check in for the 1-2 free games every so often, and the free twitch prime games on Epic.
I've spent hundreds on steam though.
SuperSocialMan@reddit
Holy shit it's actually been around for like a decade already lmao
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Don't forget the crypto scam games. There are plenty of those.
Aggravating_Ad1676@reddit
Where dis you get this information? From what I can tell Epic has long given up on competing with steam, their sights are now on the mobile market. They've been suing Apple and Google for a while now and it started to show results. Their gameplan seems to be to offer an alternative to the appstore and playstore.
Iwubinvesting@reddit
Idk didn't epic win majorly with the google and apple lawsuit?
BiasHyperion784@reddit
Not what I’m talking about but yeah they did, I’m talking about their crusade against the steam “monopoly” that doesn’t exist.
RodjaJP@reddit
No, what they wasted was their money on giving games for free, only taking 12% of the sales was a smart tactic, but the money wasted on free games should have been used on improving the launcher and adding features people likes
But seeing how they preferred to add a very weird and dumb version of "reviews" I'm glad they didn't, imagine if they got a fraction of the market and immediately enshittifyied the store, they clearly would make everything worse even if they had the infinite money machine.
firuz0@reddit
I'm not the biggest gamer around (Paradox Interactive enjoyer) and used to check it for free games just in case. Last I checked it still didn't have a page for owned games. Since I never downloaded the launcher, I literally don't know what games I have over there.
WernerWindig@reddit
Buy one game for 20 €. Buy 453 small DLC's to make it complete.
kihakik@reddit
You just have to start playing at release, then you realise its just a yearly subscription service. Honestly prefer this way of live service to micro-transaction slop and lootboxes.
WernerWindig@reddit
If you see it that way, yeah. But it's still a bit scummy. They act like you only need the DLC's you're interested in, but then they hide essential game mechanics in random ones so you're forced to buy all of them for a complete game.
My go-to is waiting for years and then buying everything as cheap keys.
kihakik@reddit
Not fun, but if you want them to develop a game regularly for 10 years you must pay them. They actually offer subscriptions for some of their games.
Excellent_Physics767@reddit
They literally release all their games unreleased and then force people to buy a billion dlcs to make it playable. It’s the epitome of a scummy business practice.
WernerWindig@reddit
I get that. My problem is less their methods, but how they are accomplished.
They could offer quality DLC's that actually offer new stuff and ways of playing. Instead those are very basic, most have really bad reviews and get mostly only sold because they pack quality of life features with it.
They are simply greedy. That's how they ruined Cities Skylines 2 as well.
kihakik@reddit
Didn't really think about city skylines since it has different devs. I wonder if they went old-school subscription if people would pay
Kowboy_Krunch@reddit
I used to love Stellaris, HOI4, and Victoria. Now when I go to start a new campaign I'll take look at all the DLC I don't own and play something else. I might be done with Paradox games.
FlynnThatHuman@reddit
Wdym, like a library? It's had a library for years. You could probably check purchase history in the browser though
firuz0@reddit
A page to see all the games I own at a glance something like Steam provides where one can see them and sort by time played and whatnot even though one doesn't have the launcher installed.
Lazarous86@reddit
It's there in the launcher, you know, when you actually going to play them
Lopunnymane@reddit
When he plays what? He doesn't even know what games he has, how can he possibly know if he will play any - before installing the bloatware "launcher".
eduardopy@reddit
what a imo dumb complaint, how do you know what movies you have on your itunes account before downloading itunes or whatever. I didnt even know steam had a library on their website because Id never “check my games” before downloading a client lmao
drinkpacifiers@reddit
It should also be on the website. No reason not to. I noticed that a few days ago, I wanted to check which games I had to see if I had something that I found interesting but I had to download the launcher to see my library.
Danteynero9@reddit
You don't have a library in the phone storefront. And it seems that Epic doesn't have any plans to add it either.
generic_bullshittery@reddit
Same, I think I have like 50+ games, free and otherwise in Epic store, but haven't opened the app in years. I don't think I even have it installed currently.
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
>What did Epic Games mean by this?
Please help we are going bankrupt
AngelZiefer@reddit
As long as they have Fortnite they'll never go bankrupt. Fortnite is literally keeping their company afloat. Their Store doesn't make money, they give so many games away for free, nothing they do makes money except Fortnite, and they use that money to fund other games.
twospooky@reddit
They own unreal engine. The engine that damn near 80% of developers use.
AngelZiefer@reddit
Oh yeah, I forgot about Unreal Engine. Good call
Insanity-Paranoid@reddit
The Unreal Engine is so versatile that it's used for show backgrounds, pilot flight trainers, and even used to render animations for the GMC Hummer EV.
MISTER_JUAN@reddit
And realistically a decent number of kids growing up now with the likes of Fortnite and rocket league and all that might very well end up with Epic as their primary launcher and storefront over the next few years
Empero6@reddit
You’re delusional if you think this is true.
mustafa_i_am@reddit
If you think epic is going bankrupt you're living under a rock
Realistic-Pain-7126@reddit
They'll never go bankrupt with kids annoying their parents into buying v bucks
Called_end@reddit
A dead store with a walking dead battle royal breathing only through the help of cringe collabs and mediocre crossovers.
Alfred_Leonhart@reddit
Gabe Newell does nothing. Still wins.
MyUserNameIsSkave@reddit
They would do anything but make their plateform better...
Sotari@reddit
It's such a minor function, but why can't I go "invisible" or "offline" on Epic? It's not a make it or break it feature, but I'm always confused as to why it's absent
Slide-Maleficent@reddit
Well, its the same thing they do with their engine, Unreal. Developers who use it pay no royalties for their first million, 5% afterward.
Skatedivona@reddit
Tim Sweeney is a little rat man too.
dirksbutt@reddit
I just go get the free games every week and hope their platform stays alive so I can one day play GTA5 on my super computer in 60 yrs
SweetTooth275@reddit
They're such a shit store they're ready to take it up the front and in the back just to try and get some percentage of what Steam have just by being convenient and user friendly.
Mooplez@reddit
the fact that epic has no comments/reviews on their games is the main reason I won't use it. Some arbitrary star rating with no real user insight is meaningless to me
jeleni417@reddit
I bought only 1 game on Epic games store because it had nice sale and now the game has no update for past 2 years even thought on steam it gets regular update so fuck them I will only have free games because i have nothing to lose
Hanza-Malz@reddit
Installing the Epic store on your machine is akin to just publically posting all of your banking info.
SureComputer4987@reddit
Exactly Epic problem. They are trying to convince more publishers instead of more buyers.
theprodigalslouch@reddit
People here are so weird. Epics UI is so easy to use. I just open the window, go to store and scroll down to the free games section.
Koxu5550@reddit
Now watch steam respond by doing... absolutely nothing and winning.
MarshallTom@reddit
Top comment
bassturducken54@reddit
Epic will go bankrupt if they don’t create infinity blade 4 immediately
MarshallTom@reddit
Weird and niche mention but 100% want in4
yeezysama@reddit
Fuckem. They still don’t have a function or polished storefront. Epic store has been in roadmap hell for years. All that vbuck money and they can’t hire actual developers. The ey are missing some of the very bare bone basics of what I and many people expect from a digital storefront.
Invulnerablility@reddit
When piracy is preferable to using your platform, there's a problem.
Hyperversum@reddit
It is better than LITERALLY any platform but Steam and maaaaaybe GOG. And that's incredible.
Pooplayer1@reddit
It is not better than gog. Gog is well optimized, drm free, and archives and supports really old games.
BishopPear@reddit
So while i think steam is supperior to epic, i am 100% buying game on epic if it is cheaper or on sale. Whiel steam atm is great, it is only to everyones benefit that it has some competitors
Shamgar65@reddit
All I can say is, thanks for the 200 free games lol.
TheDispiteous@reddit
OP fail to understand the litigation Epic has spearheaded to break open Apples and Google's respective monopoly on handheld storefronts and the wider implications the past rulings will have
TrungusMcTungus@reddit
Doesn’t surprise me one bit. I open epic once a week, to download my free game.
Haver_Of_The_Sex@reddit
why does everyone hate epic launcher so much. I for one love it when the downloader breaks when I have 3 drives installed in my computer and starts throttling all my downloads to 2012 Australian internet speeds so it takes me half a week to download a 100mb update
CalTCOD@reddit
I only have 1 drive and it still does that to me, as well as randomly making me almost reinstall entire games just for small updates
Last fortnite update was a 55 GB download & they didn't add very much, the launcher just likes to do that for no reason
Vii_Strife@reddit
The reason that I stopped playing Fortnite was exactly this, 20+gb updates every few weeks and sometimes for stuff that i didn't care about at all. Also if you play with friends good luck telling everyone that they need to start the game sooner today to download the new update.
My download speed is also moderately fast but for some reason EGS will cap out at less than 1mb/s sometimes, just for fun
DarXIV@reddit
It was the only platform my account was repeatably compromised.
BrianEK1@reddit
Legitimately Epic's launcher is so trash that I prefer using Heroic (community Linux launcher for GoG, Epic, and Amazon) on my windows install since it has a windows version that works miles better than the epic launcher.
perhapsasinner@reddit
Epic lack of features genuinely baffling
AgVargr@reddit
If I give you a free game, will you stfu about it?
Hyperversum@reddit
No i'll pirate it lmao
Reddrommed@reddit
Yes but I still won't give you any money lol.
SunderedValley@reddit
They wanna do a rug pull so. Fucking. Bad.
I suspect they actually PROMISED their investors a brutal 550% price increase the moment they controlled 51% of the market and consumers just aren't falling for it.
No-Section-4385@reddit
So basically you pay them 1 million dollars and what ever revenues is made from the game is 100% yours.
Jet90@reddit
No. Epic takes 0% of your first million while greedy steam takes 30%
Shonnyboy500@reddit
Wait is that actually how it works? I thought it meant that out of the first million dollars the game makes, Epic takes none of that.
Jet90@reddit
You are correct. The other use is wrong
Nbbsy@reddit
I got a bunch of Epic store games when their launcher was new, then I waited for months for features like achievements, gifting, fucking -messaging-. And then I went back to Steam cause they actually do stuff.
mobas07@reddit
The lack of reasons is the exact reason I like it lmao. Steam has so much unnecessary bloat it's insane.
Literally all I need is a store and a library. Anything beyond that is just unnecessary bloat making things slower.
If I want to message or voice chat I'll use Discord. If I want to look at game news I'll use Reddit or Discord.
I don't want an entire social network with a flipping trading system and economy tied to my games library. You don't need it.
CalTCOD@reddit
whenever the launcher loses internet, it signs you out as well
Doesn't sound like a huge deal but when you just want to play a game & it's making you find a verification code sent to your email on a weekly basis, fucking infuriating.
SuperSocialMan@reddit
You still can't even set a profile picture lol. Not even some mid default one picked by the company like consoles do.
LongDongSilver-78@reddit
It's impressive how you can open a "competitor" to a titan known as Steam and LACK all the features that Steam already has. Why would I swap to a store that lacks most of the features that made Steam attractive.
It also helps that Steam doesn't actively make their user's experience worse. So there's less of a reason to move over to Epic.
Electrical_Ad3233@reddit
i only use epic to redeem free games, and that's it
Lolicrom69@reddit
I literally claim every game on epic and play it, but when it's on sale on steam or gog, i buy it there. Can't wait for Alan Wake 2. When will it come to steam?
Blasteth@reddit
They should actually make a good service instead of just dumping money with free games. Steam has reviews, community services which guides, artwork, discussions. Customizable library and profile. A bunch of other stuff that Epic doesn't have and has had time to implement but they decide is better to entice people with free games.
FetryCZ@reddit
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand what Epic SHOULD be doing. Their apps sucks because it’s laggy and unresponsive, they lack any form of community features. We had to wait YEARS for simply seeing the an unspecified review score for games.
I just don’t understand the reasoning why they are not doing anything to fix these issues. They have great developers and still a quite young audience, they could have been slowly integrating them into the Epic Games Launcher Services for years IF they actually made them use the launcher for something more than launching Fortnite.
Whoever is in charge of the Launcher development is either lazy, regarded or Tim Sweeney personally told them not to develop the launcher for some absurd reason.
At this point I am just sorry for the actual talented indie developers that have to deal with this BS. It’s either go to Steam and have a change to be the next big thing or go to Epic and get a better deal, but sell two copies.
liquidmccartney8@reddit
Epic and Valve are both the middleman in a two sided market where they have to cater to both buyers and sellers. Epic apparently decided years ago that if they lean hard into favoring sellers by offering favorable revenue splits, buying exclusivity, obfuscating user reviews, etc., the sellers will all want to do business with them rather than the competition and the buyers will just go along. In practice, it turned out that none of that was true, but their approach hasn't changed.
CrispyJelly@reddit
These tech companies all have these TOS that basically say "we can do whatever we want" and if you ever disagree you lose access to your account, including things you already paid for. That's just how it is, Steam is no different. But Steam already showed what they do with their dominant position, and they're far from perfect but not too bad. They didn't enshitify their service and that's more than I can say for most companies in their position. The trick is not having to satisfy shareholder expectations of infinite growth.
I downloaded the Epic Store when it was new but then read how it searches for your Steam friends list and copies them in an Epic folder so you can import your Steam friends. They said this is stored locally and only sent to Epic when you choose to import my friends list. I even believe them, but why would they do that without my explicit permission? They're using the TOS as permission to do that. Yeah, I'm not playing this game with them.
shiny_xnaut@reddit
Epic exclusivity is the reason the studio that made Beast Breaker is dead
Mitchel-256@reddit
Steam is a curious case where a pro-customer service managed to take the top spot in a market before an anti-consumer, self-serving service platform. And the results are spectacular, as far as seeing what these conniving, corporate scumfucks look like when they aren't in control.
They'll claw and bite and scream and do everything they can to trick you into thinking they're the better ones, all the while still doing absolutely nothing to actually make the service or goods they provide better than the competition. Even if it's a low bar.
The impotent rage of the narcissistic business model.
tctbuss@reddit
It would help if their store and launcher weren't such an abysmal user experience. People only use the damn thing for Fortnite there's no other explanation.
Jellylegs_19@reddit
As shitty as Epic Games, I'm glad it exists because it puts some form of fire under Steam's ass.
ExtraPomelo759@reddit
Valve take 30% of the revenue, but in return, Steam is a well-designed storefront with a lot of community-driven features.
Epic LOOKS and functions like it's worth half value of Steam.
whoopsthatsasin@reddit
I frequently use both steam and epic, epic for cheap or free games and steam for actually having fun (Epic doesnt even have controler support for most of its games, the ui sucks, there is very little personality in the app itself, your profile almost doesnt even look like anything etc.)
Huge-Basket244@reddit
Launcher is bad. IPs are slop. Pandering to a younger audience, trying to be kid friendly. They literally need to just add hentai games and they're rich.
dookie-monsta@reddit
Come sign your name on our pile of dog shit and we’ll pay you
MorRochben@reddit
Sounds like a good deal until you realise they sell a lot less copies so you end up making less anyway.
Endulos@reddit
I recall a twitter post from an indie dev saying that they were EGS exclusive for 1 year, and in that entire year, they sold 100 copies.
They released on steam after the exclusive period was done and sold like 10k copies in the first week.
SuperSocialMan@reddit
Many such cases.
VRisNOTdead@reddit
Their launcher is malware
Rhettledge@reddit
Every company wanted to ride the console wagon. But now that PC is gaining legitimacy, they want to inflict the same control as they do on consoles. That def does not work on PC. People will literally just go somewhere else. There 8,000 replacement that do what they do but better.
SignificantRain1542@reddit
We've seen this story time and time again. It doesn't matter how "epic" your store is if no one has a reason to go there. It kind of reminds me of your mother's ass in a way. She'll let you go to town and wont even ask you to pay, even with respect. People realize that this reeks of desperation and yeast and will avoid her in the future to look for people that respect themselves and their body. Now, I'm not going to say there isn't value to be had in doing business with your mom's ass, as there is value to find in even the most disgusting piece of trash if you look hard enough, but what I'm trying to say is that you can't expect everyone to make that their primary source. People have standards in their customer experience and your mom's ass doesn't really try to meet them. I mean, sure, she would let you put whatever you wanted in her shopping cart (after some backlash), but there are no achievements, collectibles, or forum. She can handout all the bounce back coupons she can print at the gas station, but it only amplifies the already subpar experience by repetition. I know all you fanboys will be screaming "my mom's ass has collectables, etc, blah blah now! You know nothing about her!" but guess what? I don't care anymore. Too little too late. She didn't respect herself and she didn't respect her customers. There's no coming on the back from that.
destroyerOfTards@reddit
I am going to use this as a template for many arguments, thanks boi
Shonnyboy500@reddit
I know you touched on this at the end but Epic does has achievements now, only issue is why should I care? I have no cool Epic profile I can have showcases filled with rare achievements and 100%ed games. Even if I have a game for free on Epic, I’d probably just buy it again on Steam so it’d go with all my other trophies.
Shonnyboy500@reddit
I know you touched on this at the end but Epic does has achievements now, only issue is why should I care? I have no cool Epic profile I can have showcases filled with rare achievements and 100%ed games. Even if I have a game for free on Epic, I’d probably just buy it again on Steam so it’d go with all my other trophies.
diobreads@reddit
Corporations actually improving their products challenge (impossible).
Jusaboiii@reddit
Turns out whining about the evil "monopoly" that literally does just its own thing and doesn't even bat an eye at you, while you yourself are led by people who unironically would want to be a monopoly that would actively suppress others, and while you actively shovel money away to buy exclusivity for a span of time to try and get people to come to your shitty and objectively inferior platform, only to have them wait until the exclusivity deal runs out because your platform is shitty and objectively inferior, has not made you the winner in the PC market? What a shocker that is
GreenRiot@reddit
It means they are failing, and investors are waiting for a decade now for a crumb of ROI.
Sure, a monopoly is bad. But it just happen that it doesn't matter how much money you burn on giveaways and marketing. People won't use your service if your competition is just better at averything, you offer no benefit for using your service, your prices are worse and everyone associates your brand with the CEO... WHO IS A GIGANGIC, TITANIC ASSHOLE.
Doesn't matter if your throw money at marketing, if you, with your own actions, get your potential customers to hate you.
Nitrax8693@reddit
As a developer, the only reason to use Epic is because of Unreal Engine, otherwise fuck Epic lol.
thelastsandwich@reddit
Are they still giving out free games?
Placeptnik@reddit
Yep
thelastsandwich@reddit
Any games worth getting?
ShahrozMaster@reddit
Last week was tiny Tina’s wonderlands
Before that was both Sifu and dead island 2
Sometimes it’s worth it
aVarangian@reddit
on Steam yes
Placeptnik@reddit
Well if you claim them every week you'll get some good stuff occasionally, but most of them I'm never gonna touch, personally. You can get deathloop at the moment, if that interests you.
thelastsandwich@reddit
Always wanted to play it Im getting it then.
Shyassasain@reddit
No
reapr56@reddit
also if u put your game on their platform, you will get personally fellated by john epic
whalemix@reddit
Steam would need to get shut down before I willingly use Epic lol
Aekatan160@reddit
I'm still trying to find out why unreal gold is unlisted, makes zero sense, fuck epic
remington29@reddit
Least steam doesn't open the store after I exit a game.
rooshavik@reddit
Simply upgrade the ui, GOG is great
_Addi-the-Hun_@reddit
100% of 0 is still 100%. I am never trusting any one of these dog shit companies over glorious valve
Hates_commies@reddit
If they really wanted to make money, why dont they allow children to gamble with their Fortnite skins on 3rd party online casinos like Steam does with Counter Strike skins?
valkon_gr@reddit
They never tried. Their store is the same garbage as 2017
richtofin819@reddit
Tim doesn't care about anything as much as he cares about screwing over steam. Too bad steam is just too nice and user oriented