More than a few. To start off with that push-tube assembly was not very stiff - you could see it was just a little rickety in the videos. Then that pushing mechanism itself - I doubt that was efficient. At a minimum, it's different from the usual circular pedalling motion, and you can't rely on the decades of neuromuscular adaptations - surely a few tens of watts lost just their.
Etc., etc. He still got up to some speed on it though!
I didn’t see this comment or group of comments before responding. But I remember him being very gracious about his lack of success with his bike. He went out on a competitors bike and set a UK record
See, the first thing I thought was "that's prone" when I saw the pic, but I was wondering if prone was the correct term, so I looked up "recumbent" and definition for "recumbent" included the 2 variants I posted.
It's literally dorsal recumbent. The seated position has your back to the ground, albeit at an angle. Dorsal=back. The adjective modifies, not negates. A black BEAR is still a BEAR, and so is a brown BEAR.
No, I get that's what it's called. I appriciate you adding that to my knowledge bank. But occasionally misnomers work their way into language, like how a koala bear isn't a bear. The thing I was trying to to point out is that the angle matters at whether or not recumbent is a misnomer. Like this, that's not lying down, that's seated. This definitely is. Both are recumbent bikes by type, that's fine, but some are definitely more recumbent than others.
You are objectively wrong. Per the definition, both are equally recumbent. Face-down or face-up. Your brain is married to the concept of "recumbent" only being a sitting position or something. So was mine. That's why I looked it up. So there is no "more" or "less" recumbent.
Dang, your still missing the point. One more shot, then I give up. Recumbent, as an isolated word, means "lying down". It's how you used it in your initial definitions. Are "seated" and "recumbent" the same thing? No. Synonyms for sure, but they're two different implied anatomical positions. Recumbent bikes are inclusive of riders in either position, and positions inbetween. So recumbent bikes that actually achieve recumbent anatomical positioning (whether ventral or dorsal) are more recumbent (literally, in two different ways, both by bike type and rider positioning) than seated recumbent bikes that are only recumbent by misnomer.
Nooooo, it's a sitting position, not recumbent. Not everything is recumbent. You really aren't getting this, are you? Doubling down on being confidently incorrect.
I was doing exactly that. I just thought it was funny that I understood that guys argument. Like there is "sitting" bikes and "laying" bikes. Recumbent, forward or backward. But then you doubled down on his "less recumbent" bike still being recumbent so i just thought it was funny. You got, belly, back, and neutral, and that's it.
I think that’s Graeme Obree. He had a recumbent he designed for human powered vehicle record racing. The crank system allowed him to just go straight back and forth with his legs and not in circles, keeping his frontal area low. If this is him, it’s without the full faring.
I read his account of the record run and it wasn’t very good. He had great ideas but it turns out that a standard layout with more room to move and breathe is more effective than a theoretical improvement in design. Dude is a legend, though. His innovative approach worked twice before, allowing him to smash the flying mile records.
If I remember correctly, he borrowed a competitor’s bike at the HPV trials and set a record for fastest speed for a a UK rider.
Just guessing, I think that this is testing the frame and drivetrain and the finished bike would be a fully faired velocimobile for HPV competition. Looks like attachment points on the frame for the lower half of the fairing, and a cable operated kickstand because the rider can't put an arm or leg out when faired.
Plus, the gearing is way high, like 55mph (95kph) high, so it probably needs teammates giving you a push to get started.
Lots of strange compromises in design when aero is so important. All that mechanical inefficiency just to get a smaller cross-sectional area.
You’re probably right. I wonder if there’s a photo available of it with the fairing on.
The worn aero helmet is a bit odd in this instance. You wouldn’t wear it unless you’d be racing, but why would you do that on a naked bike specifically designed for a fairing.
Man I would kill for a vendetta. I've got some spinal issues which mean I'm limited to recumbents and my archaic LWB Linear is fun but kind of slow and shows it's age.
budad_cabrion@reddit
thanks I hate it
NoDivergence@reddit
Obree for all his genius got rekt that year
Old_Mousse_5673@reddit
Yeah he chose that style (Prone) as technically it’s meant to be the most aero. I think the main issue is it’s not the most optimal for power delivery
pjakma@reddit
I suspect that system of delivering power to the chain rings is not very efficient either.
Old_Mousse_5673@reddit
Yeah you’d think they’d be a few watts lost in all that
pjakma@reddit
More than a few. To start off with that push-tube assembly was not very stiff - you could see it was just a little rickety in the videos. Then that pushing mechanism itself - I doubt that was efficient. At a minimum, it's different from the usual circular pedalling motion, and you can't rely on the decades of neuromuscular adaptations - surely a few tens of watts lost just their.
Etc., etc. He still got up to some speed on it though!
GhostPepperDaddy@reddit
Watt lost just their what? Cap? Life's savings? You're holding us in suspense.
pjakma@reddit
haha. :) Sorry, should be "Watts lost there" not "their". ;)
bajajoaquin@reddit
I didn’t see this comment or group of comments before responding. But I remember him being very gracious about his lack of success with his bike. He went out on a competitors bike and set a UK record
ScottaHemi@reddit
I don't think that's recumbent as he's laying forward not leaned back.
but it is indeed quite weird.
MilleniumPelican@reddit
ventral recumbent (lying face down). dorsal recumbent (lying on the back)
tomato432@reddit
the types are recumbent and prone
MilleniumPelican@reddit
See, the first thing I thought was "that's prone" when I saw the pic, but I was wondering if prone was the correct term, so I looked up "recumbent" and definition for "recumbent" included the 2 variants I posted.
Gone_Fission@reddit
So a recumbent bike (where your seated with legs out) isn't truly recumbent? More of a reclined or repose bike? Maybe lounge?
MilleniumPelican@reddit
It's literally dorsal recumbent. The seated position has your back to the ground, albeit at an angle. Dorsal=back. The adjective modifies, not negates. A black BEAR is still a BEAR, and so is a brown BEAR.
tomato432@reddit
no it isn't
Gone_Fission@reddit
No, I get that's what it's called. I appriciate you adding that to my knowledge bank. But occasionally misnomers work their way into language, like how a koala bear isn't a bear. The thing I was trying to to point out is that the angle matters at whether or not recumbent is a misnomer. Like this, that's not lying down, that's seated. This definitely is. Both are recumbent bikes by type, that's fine, but some are definitely more recumbent than others.
MilleniumPelican@reddit
You are objectively wrong. Per the definition, both are equally recumbent. Face-down or face-up. Your brain is married to the concept of "recumbent" only being a sitting position or something. So was mine. That's why I looked it up. So there is no "more" or "less" recumbent.
Gone_Fission@reddit
Dang, your still missing the point. One more shot, then I give up. Recumbent, as an isolated word, means "lying down". It's how you used it in your initial definitions. Are "seated" and "recumbent" the same thing? No. Synonyms for sure, but they're two different implied anatomical positions. Recumbent bikes are inclusive of riders in either position, and positions inbetween. So recumbent bikes that actually achieve recumbent anatomical positioning (whether ventral or dorsal) are more recumbent (literally, in two different ways, both by bike type and rider positioning) than seated recumbent bikes that are only recumbent by misnomer.
Confident-Poetry6985@reddit
So a regular bike is neutral recumbent?
MilleniumPelican@reddit
Nooooo, it's a sitting position, not recumbent. Not everything is recumbent. You really aren't getting this, are you? Doubling down on being confidently incorrect.
Confident-Poetry6985@reddit
I was doing exactly that. I just thought it was funny that I understood that guys argument. Like there is "sitting" bikes and "laying" bikes. Recumbent, forward or backward. But then you doubled down on his "less recumbent" bike still being recumbent so i just thought it was funny. You got, belly, back, and neutral, and that's it.
FartVirtuoso@reddit
Reread the comment you replied to. It’s recumbent. It’s a specific type of recumbent.
mfinn999@reddit
procumbent?
Orbidorpdorp@reddit
Incumbent.
doned_mest_up@reddit
Cucumbent.
UsedState7381@reddit
Cumbent
Zephyr104@reddit
Bicyclists Cucumbentbatch
Tiny_Twink@reddit
Precumbent?
alfalfalfalafel@reddit
Cumbent?
ComprehensivePin5577@reddit
Cum bending?
Pooch76@reddit
Refriedcumbent
josegarrao@reddit
Discombobulent
MontyVonWaddlebottom@reddit
Can u get Precumbent..??
CrustyHumdinger@reddit
KOMbent
ukexpat@reddit
Prostrate…
DIuvenalis@reddit
Weird, and appears to be a fantastic way to ensure your head and neck bear the full weight of your body in a literally head-on crash.
boundone@reddit
Just holding your head up like that is going to suck. You wouldn't get very far.
liberty4now@reddit (OP)
"Recumbent" means lying down, so doesn't it count if it's lying on the stomach? Oh well, too late to change the title.
DIuvenalis@reddit
Prostrate Bicycle?
potatopierogie@reddit
Prostate bicycle?
DIuvenalis@reddit
Exactly what Google kept trying to correct me to...
potatopierogie@reddit
This is a prostate bicycle (NSFW)
ScottaHemi@reddit
honeslty not sure. i've never seen a bike like this before so i have no idea what it should be called.
i do like mfinn999's suggestio though
NottingHillNapolean@reddit
I'm not mechanically inclined enough to figure it out, but does the cyclist just move his feet back and forth, or in a circle?
liberty4now@reddit (OP)
I think it's more a stepping motion.
bajajoaquin@reddit
I think that’s Graeme Obree. He had a recumbent he designed for human powered vehicle record racing. The crank system allowed him to just go straight back and forth with his legs and not in circles, keeping his frontal area low. If this is him, it’s without the full faring.
I read his account of the record run and it wasn’t very good. He had great ideas but it turns out that a standard layout with more room to move and breathe is more effective than a theoretical improvement in design. Dude is a legend, though. His innovative approach worked twice before, allowing him to smash the flying mile records.
If I remember correctly, he borrowed a competitor’s bike at the HPV trials and set a record for fastest speed for a a UK rider.
No_Employer9618@reddit
He better watch his dingus
Tango91@reddit
Imagine hitting something solid at speed, having your dick ripped off by the ‘seat’ would be the least of your worries
Myriii1911@reddit
Interesting. Doesn’t look comfortable tho.
JunkyJuke@reddit
Don’t accidentally drop your chin by an inch. That tire will drag your face right into the wheel. Ouch!
tokillaworm@reddit
Except the tires rotate forward… not backward.
JunkyJuke@reddit
Oh you’re right, I had it backwards!
GoAViking@reddit
No, it's forward
aphaits@reddit
Judging by the comments above, its recumbentward
ziplague@reddit
😂
Antal_Marius@reddit
Nah. It'd be your throat.
CrustyHumdinger@reddit
Why's (s)he wearing bibs? There's no saddle
underthebug@reddit
That can't be comfortable.
MikeHeu@reddit
Weird design, but with the small wheels, long chain and multiple points of transfer of forces and links it wouldn’t be that efficient.
Something like a Cruzbike Vendetta V20c would be much faster and comfortable.
This brings me back 20 years when I owned two recumbent bikes and drove them everything day.
After_Classroom7809@reddit
Just guessing, I think that this is testing the frame and drivetrain and the finished bike would be a fully faired velocimobile for HPV competition. Looks like attachment points on the frame for the lower half of the fairing, and a cable operated kickstand because the rider can't put an arm or leg out when faired. Plus, the gearing is way high, like 55mph (95kph) high, so it probably needs teammates giving you a push to get started.
Lots of strange compromises in design when aero is so important. All that mechanical inefficiency just to get a smaller cross-sectional area.
MikeHeu@reddit
You’re probably right. I wonder if there’s a photo available of it with the fairing on.
The worn aero helmet is a bit odd in this instance. You wouldn’t wear it unless you’d be racing, but why would you do that on a naked bike specifically designed for a fairing.
LetsTalkAboutGuns@reddit
Maybe it’s for the picture. Like a magazine shot that shows “what’s going on in there” for this sport.
YeetTheElder@reddit
Man I would kill for a vendetta. I've got some spinal issues which mean I'm limited to recumbents and my archaic LWB Linear is fun but kind of slow and shows it's age.
After_Classroom7809@reddit
It is a still from a movie as far as I can tell. It was discussed back when the movie first came out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/s/ZosdsAdJZg
After_Classroom7809@reddit
Movie is Battle Mountain: Graeme Obree's Story.
Ok-Photograph2954@reddit
A new way to die!
SoaDMTGguy@reddit
I'd want a full face mask for doing that, personally...
Gone_Fission@reddit
I'm aware.
djscoots10@reddit
Damn, thats neat
dinoguys_r_worthless@reddit
Beats sitting on one's testicles.
recumbent_mike@reddit
I usually put them on my ears, although the bass doesn't really hit the same that way.
DickweedMcGee@reddit
You’e gonna want either a front fender or a ballistic neck gaiter
Top_Equipment809@reddit
Some of the other stuff Obree built was pretty successful.
OgNar@reddit
There is nothing about this I dont like.
Kahnza@reddit
r/cycling would get a kick out of this if it hasn't been posted there yet.
Leading_Procedure_23@reddit
Go post it there, I want to see what happens lol
Dr-Eiff@reddit
I wonder if learning to ride a bike like that is hard?
Ok-Sky-6864@reddit
All fun and games until you hit a pothole and you bash your face into the front wheel or go through a puddle and catch a mouthful of street water
dim13@reddit
Gentials circular saw.
VerilyJULES@reddit
Looks like a great way to get brain damage.
9061yellowriver@reddit
"Feels great on my back and knees".
Horror-Raisin-877@reddit
Am imagining him commuting in city traffic following a bus :)
vi3tnow@reddit
Skeleton cycling, you’d def need to shave your legs for the aero gains
pjakma@reddit
Graeme Obree - an absolute genius and a gent! The UCI changed the rules on bicycles not once, but at least twice because of him!
sparrownetwork@reddit
He has Hal's power walking helmet...
Kaloo75@reddit
I guess even 25 km/h feels fast lying like that. Head first and on your nuts. Ef that.
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