Microsoft slow down
Posted by ramraiderqtx@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 41 comments
Each time I use outlook, teams or even office.com I suffer from frustration and cognitive burnout from having to learn a new UI layout.
Surely Microsoft must have done a study that this constant tweaking burns people out and makes people hate using their apps. It’s shooting yourself in the foot all the time. And it’s not just me it’s our entire organization 😞
Just coz it’s SaaS doesn’t mean you have to tweak tweak tweak coz of a/b testing. Maybe use that engineering effort into stopping the daily barrages of alerts this that and the other is broken.
Can anyone explain or give me some upside why it has to be this way?
/old man rant, coffee not installed yet.
joerice1979@reddit
No upside, just a steady stream of new people wanting to put their imprint on things, I think.
Too bad their shoes tend to have dogsh*t in when they step.
Extreme-Record-6823@reddit
So..let me put it this way:
Microsoft is calling this their "mission". They have the vision of UI components being a react component that can be reused a million times in every product they imagine.
As a Ms cloud admin, trust me when I say it's even worse with the Admin UIs.. I 90% of the time know where the button or control I need was when I last saw it, but when I navigate there there is just a fancy box saying this button was moved to this other portal, and when you go there you realize they only moved 50% of functionality from the older UI.
Why are they doing this? Because overall Microsoft in the last few years has built stuff in the respective departments, same goes for the naming of products. Then, someone realized they can save tons of money if they use the same base components for all tools etc. This also affects Office.
I could go on for hours ranting about this, if you have questions feel free to ask.
warysysadmin@reddit
As a fellow admin I fully understand. It's exhausting to keep making changes just to keep things working as before. Not to mention changing behaviours in Defender that are announced only in some obscure blog or technical document.
And while we're ranting, is it just me or documentation is getting worse?!?
ImLookingatU@reddit
Holy shit, their documentation cannot keep up. The amount of out of date docs I've ran into is way too much .
Werftflammen@reddit
Even AI can't keep up, the amount of slush you have to wade through to get trivial things done..
OldWrongdoer7517@reddit
Pretty sure the AI was trained using the out of date docs, how would it know any better?
Werftflammen@reddit
It seems to cycle through them indeed.
Rabiesalad@reddit
It's been that way for over a decade. Help articles full of broken links and outdated information.
arenwel@reddit
You can't have your documentation worsen if you don't create new documentation and 404 the old one.
Werftflammen@reddit
You mean, Defender works? I have it 404 randomly, like with adding a server. Me with my elitist request of actually expecting to be able to my job whilst a bunch of hacks threaten my workflow everyday.
ramraiderqtx@reddit (OP)
Ironically I can stomach their admin ui changes, as thru the years they trained me like a good monkey to expect yeah we have moved it, hold on we will create a new portal and yeah even change where it is in the portal. So now I have Zen approach of I know it won’t be where it should be and recalibrated my expectations I am going on a hunt and my valuable admin time is going to be wasted chasing this. What a dismal mindset they have forced me into. Script ninjas please pop in and tell me how I should be using powershell. Coz they never change api/calls/graph etc ….🤣 but fair play id take this stuff over exchange v5 on prem… the horror of rebuilding pdbs
Werftflammen@reddit
This is Stockholm Syndrome, right there.
ramraiderqtx@reddit (OP)
it’s so true 🤣🤣
Simmery@reddit
Good luck with powershell since Microsoft will also arbitrarily deprecate their most useful modules and make you use Graph, which is much less intuitive and often lagging on important functionality. Gotta love it.
RMS-Tom@reddit
The admin and Exchange admin centres are alright, security/defender and purview centres are shocking.
Werftflammen@reddit
I feel you. Try to find correct documentation on features like Azure Functions or anything, and somewhere along the deployment, the UI has changed beyond recognition. It takes me for ever to get some trivial script going, I am seriously avoiding it, looking at doing stuff local but unsecure.
JimmyG1359@reddit
A university of 24000 students and about 9000 employees and staff. We achieved this utopia by not running any critical services on windows.
ramraiderqtx@reddit (OP)
Impressive !
pabskamai@reddit
AI bro, everything revolves around AI
ramraiderqtx@reddit (OP)
The hype cycle has another 10 years before it peaks 😳
JimmyG1359@reddit
I'm glad I don't have to deal with Microsoft's garbage. And I find it sad that you pay for the privilege of implementing all of Microsoft's shit changes into your infrastructure, whether you want them or not
ramraiderqtx@reddit (OP)
Pray tell how big is your org and how did you achieved that utopia ?
BloodFeastMan@reddit
Doesn't matter, you'll continue to use their apps.
ramraiderqtx@reddit (OP)
And that is the sad truth 😞
alexandreracine@reddit
Don't worry, Recall to the rescue!
ramraiderqtx@reddit (OP)
I nearly spat my coffee out 🤣
GoodSamIAm@reddit
I dont think they have a say in it anymore. Not directly anyway. Perks of joining the Open Source community. Cheap labor..
dan4334@reddit
Uuuuh teams and outlook are not open source programs
GoodSamIAm@reddit
It means MS dont want people using the UI irreguardless of what license it's using.
Want people to learn the UI? Cool, dont touch it much unless it's absolutely neccessary. Otherwise keep moving shit so people get frustrated and fuck with policies for hours instead of shopping or learning something other than futility
Werftflammen@reddit
Yeah, but they seem to forget about admins all together. The resent move of RDP to the "Windows app" what ever that is.
Fallingdamage@reddit
The New Microsoft: Change for the sake of change™
Rich-Pic@reddit
What are you going to do? Switch?!\~ HAHAHA! nice try!
ArtisticConundrum@reddit
The new teams layout change is amazingly incoherent and why the fuck does it default to it?
Let's remove the chat and Teams button hide them in a SCROLLABLE row that is barely distinguishable from the rest of the panel.
Stupid motherfuckers, no defending them on any of this.
Werftflammen@reddit
I have had people loose their mind over this. It's totally inexplicable why they do this, like UI design is some kind of intern job.
ProfessionalITShark@reddit
Huh I kind of liked it, maybe teams and channel should be a bit more visible.
Werftflammen@reddit
Users don't like changes like that. The use Teams but just those 2 buttons: chat, Teams, that's it. The avants use planners and files.
Unkechaug@reddit
You mean lose their minds.
Sid-Hank@reddit
I totally agree as I witnessed colleagues throwing a temper tantrum because the buttons are "someplace else". The constant layout changes might be to enhance some appeal, but I don't feel any improved appeal anywhere. On top of ot MS changes the keyboard shortcuts every new version.... So in order to be productive I have to invest a humongous amount of time to retrain the combinations. Absolutely nerve wracking 🤬
Mammoth-Emotion-6725@reddit
I’m tired of having to go through message center updates every monday 😢
chiron3636@reddit
opting out of daily message center updates and still somehow getting them every day, and on a Monday be like that.
Thanks MS
awesome_pinay_noses@reddit
In other news I have read that notion has a mail client now.