My man Bibi rocking it in Nigeria. No idea what they gave to them to have that, probably some government to government cooperation involving Izzrael money
Noticed it too but imo that explanation doesn't really effect the population, only politicians..
like I bet we would get the same results like turkey from UAE, Dubai and Morocco even though their governments/regimes are getting Israeli technology, training and investments.. most Abraham accord nations wouldn't get that agreement passed assuming they were a democracy and it would be held in a public vote based on the populations opinion
I have no real clue why population in Nigeria "like" us but I doubt it's related to Israel funneling money to the government, because it's not that much given Israel isn't even in top 10 of investors in Nigeria
I can’t speak for Muslim Nigerians, but I know that quite a lot of African Christians have a positive view of Israel because of the Bible. They assume modern Israel is that of the Bible so it must be good and their actions must be just.
This might be true. In another poll Nigeria was one of the few countries that had positive views of Joe Biden, Xi Jinping, and Donald Trump. Not big on Putin, though. My guess is that the Wagner Group stuff might be hurting Russia’s reputation there.
As a Nigerian, I seriously doubt those numbers are accurate.
Half the country is Muslim and they’re overwhelmingly pro-Palestine (Muslim brothers and all that). Even if every single Christian was pro-Israel (which they aren’t), you should still see at least see 50% of so having unfavourable views of Israel
I can see the Biafra folk down south being pro-Israel due to anti-North/Muslim sentiment and also because Israel supported Biafra in the civil war
This Boko Haram terrorists have ties with ISIS and Al Quaeda. I wish world looked more into what happens in Africa. This terrorists should be bombed and dealt with same as ISIS
Similar security concerns. Notice India also tends to be more favorable. Cos India deals with militant attacks frequently as well. I assume it's a similar reason for Nigeria and Kenya.
May be US money and soft power too. Alot of American evangelical groups have set themselves up in predominantly christian countries around Africa and tried to push Zionism as a means of Christian salvation in the general public.
All those people that understand a genocide is happening, human rights are being disregarded and international law is broken and still their governments are doing too little to change anything.
I would love to see that Israël gets more positive views in the future, because their leaders are not right wing nationalist assholes and they choose to live peacefully with other nations (which they respect). That future is unfortunately far away, and it's our job globally to push for that future.
I understand the emotional sentiment, but I do really think a lot of those people wouldn't want that in a different context. A lot of those people are brainwashed by religion or propaganda.
And 80% isn't the entire country.
It's difficult sometimes, but we cannot stop being nuanced.
So your point is that Israel is good already the way it is? Why are you talking as if I'm claiming I want to kill them all.
Israel doesn't have a right to exist. The land should be occupied like Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan were. That doesn't mean I want to genocide like the majority of them wish to do to Palestine.
Before Octobre 7th there was a good sized peace-movement in Israel. There are progressive Jews. There are Israelis that live in peace with Palestinians.
If we can't define nuances in this discussion, we're a long way from a good solution.
Every single country in the world just voted at the U.N. to force Israel to accept a ceasefire treaty. Every single country except the US. They vetoed all of it.
Our governments are doing something about it. It’s only the Americans who want to see this continue. Blame them, not the rest of us and our governments.
Every single country in the world just voted at the U.N. to force Israel to accept a ceasefire treaty. Every single country except the US. They vetoed all of it.
Just to highlight this.
If you talk to an Israeli or even go on their forums they still believe (or at this point are led to believe) that they are supported the world over. Even act confused when they aren't.
It has never been clearer. Literally across the globe people have seen the ugliness of Israel and it's violence. Complete moral bankruptcy.
No one likes child murderers and Israels army is full of them.
I’d go further to say it’s not even just Israel’s army that’s filled with child murderers, but their whole country. The government is complacent, most citizens have to work for the IDF at some point, and then there’s the settlers.
It's painfully obvious that it's the entire country. You can refuse to serve by being in jail for 2 months. And not even such a harsh jail, this is not like when they kidnap palestinians and torture/rape them.
You have a choice: engage in genocide or be in jail for 2 months. What do you choose?
For anyone it's easy. And yet the vast majority of Israelis engage with genocide.
Not even most Americans want this shit. I'll admit most of us are stupid fucking idiots, especially Republicans, but our government does not at all represent the American people. Never has.
Our governments aren't doing enough. Voting on a bill to force a ceasefire is not enough. Asking to restart aid is not enough. We need sanctions against Israël. Not because I'm angry (which I am), but too let the world know that this behaviour is wrong and that it will be punished.
I expect more from the EU.
Yeah I fully agree with you. It does look like we’re moving more this way though when you have countries distancing themselves diplomatically from Israel and providing them with less weapons. Some, such as Spain, are even looking to end all trade with Israel.
More can be done, but it’s a good step and Israel is quickly becoming a pariah state and a US puppet in the Middle East. It’s going to take a very long time to dismantle the close relations with have with them, and perhaps that’s a good thing if it allows them to right their wrongs before being completely cutoff.
I misread your first comment though and thought you said we weren’t doing anything. We are, and it’s looking like we’re going to be doing a lot more soon too. The west was slow to act on it, but now we are starting to do so which is a good thing.
or perhaps its just virtue signalling by every country because they know that US will veto it anyway. Aren't most western countries still selling Israel weapons? So what, if they vote for a resolution knowing full well that it will get vetoed
Most countries are reining that in and are heavily reducing how many weapons they sell to Israel. A lot are also just reducing trade with some countries like Spain looking to end trade with Israel altogether. The world is changing their mind on Israel very quickly, and they’re becoming a pariah state to everyone except the US who will continue to prop them up as their base of operations in the Middle East.
So do you think it’s good that there are hostages, that those protesting to free hostages should be violently attacked, and that it’s okay to murder Jews who believe in Jewish self-determination?
No, it's bad there are hostages. There definitely shouldn't be hostages held by terrorist organization Hamas (about 50, most of them are most likely dead due too Israeli bombarding), nor there should be hostages held by Israel (around 3500 'administrative detainees', held in concentration camps like Sde Teiman, tortured, raped, refused medical care, killed)
that those protesting to free hostages should be violently attacked
no, you seem to misunderstood that they were attacked because of their 'jewishness', but they were attacked because of their sionism
that it’s okay to murder Jews who believe in Jewish self-determination?
no? why would that be ok? we both know, that every nationality has right to self-determination. Jews, Palestinians...
Sionists however propose Jewish supremacy and aparteid. As we both know.
They absolutely should as well. Release all hostages. Some of the pro-Palestine protests don’t mention feeding the Israeli hostages, does that make them evil?
As long as the message is humane and doesn’t support violence against the other side, why is any attack justifiable?
Surely you're mentally able to understand that when you're commiting a genocide you're bound to make some people to latch and commit terrorism?
I mean, I won't support killing civilians, but it's plain obvious that when there's one side that is engaging in the starvation of 2 million people, the fact that your particular issue is that some zionists are targeted is kinda ridiculous? Israel has killed more Jews by bombing, killing the hostages and enforcing the Hannibal Doctrine in Oct 7 than anyone in the West has.
By the same logic, nobody should have invaded Germany and we should have let all Jews die. Have you thought about the children of the German soldiers?
I have nothing wrong with a March memorialising the Palestinians killed. Obviously I have sympathy for the Palestinian people; they’re victims of terrible war crimes committed by the IDF.
That doesn’t justify terrorism against innocent Americans who just want their loved ones back home.
It's a good thing that the situation has gotten so bad that crypto Zionists must concede on the war crimes, but you're still desperately trying to negotiate so the general public doesn't claim it's a genocide.
Too late man, everyone knows it's a genocide even if you don't want to say it. Good luck pretending you were against it in 20 years, the internet remembers.
I don’t support what Israel is doing. I support Israel’s right to exist.
To address your point, there’s a difference between the children of German soldiers and a random Thai farm worker or an 80+ year-old Holocaust survivor.
You post on Cornell and political subs (other than Jewish and Worldnews, Zionist dens) and you don't know what crypto Zionist means? Do you know what a cryptofascist is? It shouldn't be difficult to solve 1+1. Unless the only political science you know is Israeli apologetics.
"I'm not supporting the Nazi, I just think the US shouldn't intervene in WW2. America first"
The victims of Elias Rodriguez were a Jew and a Christian German who were attending a course on how to spread misinformation and propaganda in order to help Israel with their genocide.
But it sure doesn't fit your narrative so well when saying: one of the two victims was Jewish
I would argue that anti-Zionists have devalued their ideology by murdering Jews in western countries, like the recent attacks in DC and Boulder. All that does is provide evidence for Netanyahu’s view that Jews are safest in Israel.
These are farleft, marxist groups that arent "mainstream", I can bet you this is the first time most people here have heard of these, let alone your average joe. And they have only condoned the DC attack not boulder, which there is a case for in their philosophy since they were idf members and israeli propagandists, npt some "random jew or zionist". I dont condone the DC attack bc it doesnt achive anything productive, not that those people didnt have it coming by being warcriminals. I wouldnt be mad if a ukranian killed a russian state asset or diplomat for example and i dount the şnternational world would care at all.
Sarah Milgrim was not an IDF member. She was an American who worked with an organization to bring together Israeli and Palestinian entrepreneurs. She was an advocate for peace, for both groups living side by side in harmony.
And FWIW anti-Zionism in the U.S. isn’t mainstream. It isn’t espoused by any major political party or even any major politicians beyond “the squad.” These “far-left” organizations are the mouthpieces for anti-Zionism within the U.S.
they were israeli embassy staffers and she was marrying a hasbara specialist and warcriminal
If you would genuinely care if a ukranian did this on a russian propagandist and his also diplomat wife, sure go ahead and condemn it, but i honestly wouldnt care. Palestinians have suffered worst, im not going to spill a tear on israeli diplomats and people actively supporting a ethnosupremacist state.
Also, Israel has a specific tactic of tracking "hamas" members to their homes and bombing them there likely together with their wife and kids. I dont see your outrage about that which is way worse. The Israeli pager attack killed children of hezbollah members(who are bassicly government in south lebanon). Israel bombed the iranaan embassy in syria killing 2 civillians woman and a child. Ali Heydari was a doctor when idf targeted his vehicle. Masoumeh karbasi is another example. John Gunter Dean is another example. My point being israel already targets diplomats, humanitarians and their families constantly and in a statesponsored manner.
Israel is viewed unfaroubly by the majority of americans according to a recent poll. AntiIsrael sentiment is at an all time high, while you might not consider people like bernie or aoc "antizionists" bc they arent ones openly, this is only due to the mainstream media being owned and operated in favor of israel and that making them easy points pf attack. They are still the mainstream antizionists of the left/democratic party. On the other hand people like candice owens (who is an antisemite btw) piers morgan and other rightwing figures reprent that view on the right. Antizionism is mainstream as in big in america the media hasnt caught up yet.
As I elaborate in my comment, him and aoc are forced to make such statement regardless of their actual beliefs, and he can still be a mild zionist while being the mainstream voice for the antizionist movement as he is the only one in the mainstream expressing critisizm pf israel and preaching the freedom of palestinians. I dont think thats really a contradiction. They are also the face of the socialists of america despite being social democrats. They voice out our concerns to the public and are most associated with it. Same with most pf the squad.
Thats not really my argument, I dont care fpr this case bc the people who got killed are actively contributing material support to a genocidal state. I mentioned that to you to point out your hypocracy pn the matter. 2 dead israeli diplomats are miniscule compared to the crimes of israel yet you choose to focus on one rather than the other which is infinetly more blatant, disgusting and systemic than the other.
Are SS members not war criminals in your mind? Id argue even without proof that he himself committed warcrimes joining the SS or the russian army or the iof willingly and with openly ideological reasons is enough to make you a warcriminal, pr at least indisguishable from one in terms of morality.
When did I ever say killing jews was ok? Thats like someone killing a neonazi or nazi and you going but nazi germany being bad doesnt make killing germans ok. We arent talking about killing germans, we are talking about killing nazis, equating the two is just doing disingenious apologetism for the murderous, supremacist state.
Most americans arent antizionist, modt americans are not informed about the topic, but most americans already dislike israel, and are slowly becoming antizionist. Antisememtism is also rising as neonazis are normalized by the right and by people like elon, but americas zionist establishment doesnt care about antisemetism or the actual hate of jews, they like it, instead they care about antizionism only.
Same argument with bernie. If you want antizionists that are known among genz then the DSA, Hasan, or people like norman finkelstein or noam chomsky are good examples.
“Bernie is actually an anti-Zionist and he’s lying about his belief because he has to” is a bold claim to make without evidence. What is a “mild Zionist?” Bernie has been clear that he believes in Jewish self-determination, as he believes in Palestinian self-determination. These things make him a Zionist. He opposes Israeli war crimes. Doesn’t mean he opposes the existence of Israel. He is a Democratic Socialist and is open about that. He isn’t a voice for, say, communists, because he’s openly not a communist. He is a voice for his ideology, not competing ones. Some voices for anti-Zionism are: within our lifetime, Samidoin, Jewish Voice for Peace, and the DSA liberation caucus. Not Bernie, not the Democrats. They don’t speak for anti-Zionists, they just aren’t anti-Zionist.
I would argue that the killing and attempted killing of Jews in the West by anti-Zionists is systemic. Not just Sarah, but also the 12 people injured in Boulder Colorado by the anti-Zionist terrorist, the violence Jews face elsewhere (remember Sarah Halimi, the Amsterdam Pogrom, etc…), the attacks on Joseph Borgen and Matt Greenman in NYC, the Golders Green “kristallnacht” in London, the assault on the Jewish student in Ireland, etc… all at the hands of anti-Zionists.
Does this justify Israeli war crimes? NOT AT ALL!
But it’s not as simple as “violence against Palestinians is systemic, violence against Jews is a one-off.”
Also, these weren’t Israeli diplomats. And those attacked in Boulder weren’t even Israeli. How do you explain that?
I don’t think a peace advocate is analogous to an SS solider. Sarah Milgrim was not a soldier. She worked to bring Israelis and Palestinians together. Elias Rodriguez had no idea who did what when he shot. It’s not like he went for IDF members specifically, he just … shot at people leaving a Jewish museum indiscriminately. Is it morally okay to shoot randomly in the direction of an event and if you hit a “bad guy” it’s justified and if you don’t “oh well, but she was associated with a bad cause?” And was Yaron even in Gaza? Was he even close to war crimes? Or is your argument that anyone who has ever served Israel is inherently a “war criminal,” even if he served before this war?
When you define all Zionists as “Nazis” and consider that 90% Jews are Zionists, you’re basically okaying killing Jews
More Americans dislike Palestine than dislike Israel, and it’s not even close. This trend is not reversing. It’s not like Europe, where a majority of people in some countries seem to be anti-Zionist.
Yes. Those are anti-Zionists. Piers and Bernie are not.
Thats not my claim at all. My claim is that we really dont know, and that it doesnt matter, they are the ones representing the views and beliefs of antizionists to the mainstream. Similar to how trump or musk are the mainstream neonazis, are they actually neonazis? id argue not really, they just parrot the same stuff they do bc of their agenda and are the ones spreading and representing the belief to the mainstream. Bernie is a voice for the entire left, for socialist and for even communists bc there are no others. And he doesnt attack leftward at all, if he actually made a significant effort to attack leftward maybe youd be right.
Do you know what systemic means? Individual cases of terror are not representitive of systemic issues, especially when the best examples you can come with include farright ultras causing trouble, attacking people and then getting their asses handed. If you call actual neonazis being beaten a "pogrom" than there is no point in arguing with you. Presenting actual neonazi hooligans i repeat neonazis, being kicked after chanting genocidal things and attacking peoplr on the street as "jews being attacked" than you are npt arguing in good faith at all.
2 other pf your examples are mentally ill people, namely the boulder case and sarah hamlini, they were clearly mentally insane and the sarah case was charged as such. So all you can come up with is 2 zionists in new york protests being beaten up, thats your definition of systemic? Systemic is the killing of palestinians by the israeli terror machine, systemic is the apartheid enforced in israel, systemic is the silencing and prosecution of propalestinian voices in the west. They are results pf the systems and institutions in place in israel in the west and occur regularly and in a similar manner. They arent acts of individual violence that get called out, prosecuted and condemned, they are the result of structures built in that largely go unchanged and uncritizised for large periods of time. I can just of the top of my name name out more zionist violence that IS systemic namely that the police and our government choose to ignore/not prosecute it and even endorse it. Just recently in new york 2 propalestinian woman were beaten up by gangs of male orthdox jews, or the UCLA attacks which were coordinated and remain unprosecuted, or the systemic harrasment campaign of antizionist voices online by propaganda outlets like the ADL, or the systemic silencing of voices critical of israel in the ballot box by zionist and conservative PACs. That is systemic as in it results from the structures of our world such as our political system.
Systematic antisemetism exists in the west, but not in the way you think. It exists mostly in the form of Zionism, not antizionism. The people demonising george soros for example, arent antizionists, or the people tweeting out and amplyfying neonazis on twitter arent antizionists, they are the farright who are staunch allies of israel on the mainstream. Even apart from the farright, regular zionism in and of itself has become antisemetic in its quest to systematically target and denounce any jew not willing to be a part of its warcrimes. Zionism needs antisemetism to survive and strenghten its cause so it doesnt fear spreading antisemetism worldwide either. If Israel ever truly cared about antisemetism or the wellbeing of jews, it wouldnt go on one pf the most racist, bloody and genocidal campaign of modern history in the name of judaism. It would spend its time combating genuine antisemetism coming from the right not antizionist sentiment from the left.
I dont understand how we got back to the boulder case, the man was a deranged extremists, his videos clearly demonstrate he wasnt in his right mind. No one supports or condemns such violence its not only pointless there is really no moral argument for it.
She was no peace activist. No actual peace activist works for the israeli government or marries the israeli equivilant of goebbels in terms of how disgusting his beliefs were, his twitter is free to look at. Calling her a peace activist is a disgrace to the thousands of peace activists actually risking their lives for this conflict and to give a voice to the palestinians who have been oppressed for decades. Greate is a peace activist, not her in her cushy embassy job spreading propaganda for a genocidal state alongside her genocidal fiance. They were coming out of an event for "humanitarian aid in gaza" which is just disgustibg to the highest degree. Pretending to care about palestinians while proudly working for the state STOPPING said aid and starving the population is among the most evil things I have heard. They were propaganda voices, liberal zionists meant to whitewash the image of israel not actual peace builders or change makers, they were actively contributing to the dehumanization of palestinians and theşr systemic destruction.
The guy isnt even a religious jew, he joined the idf purely out of ideology, not bc he was drafter pr that he had to. Yes I believe that makes you a war criminal. You dont have to be in gaza, materially and knowingly supporting war crimes and a genocidal army makes you morally indisguishable from a war criminal. I dont think this is a contraversial belief, I would say all SS members were war criminals and deserve punishment as they operated on ideology and were not drafted. Same logic for him.
80% of germans at the time were likely supportive of the war effort and were at the least passive nazis. Is saying its ok to kill nazis antigerman and racist? Does it mean its ok to kill germans? The reality is saying its ok to kill nazis doesnt mean its ok to kill 80% pf germans or 90% of jews. It means people actively participating in the state crimes such as settlers, iof members or other people in the israeli government. So FULLON nazis that either are murderous like the settlers, or the SS/IOF, and the government officials alongside the chain making it possible including embassy workers and diplomats who are all more than just complicit or vaguely supportive.
That asks about the palestinian authority, not palestine. The general sympathy for palestine is INCREASING drastically especially among youth while the reverse is true for israel in america. This trend in europe is even more significant. Antizionism is slowly becoming mainstream and propalestinian thought already IS in 2025.
Bernie himself would reject that he’s representing anti-Zionists to the mainstream. He has said, even on Al-Jazeera, he supports Israel’s right to exist as Israel. If he doesn’t attack leftwards, then what is this:
Asked by Takruri whether he “respected” BDS as a legitimate nonviolent protest movement, Sanders said, “No, I don’t.”
"I mean, look. I respect people who do what they want to do, but I think our job as a nation is to do everything humanly possible to bring Israel and the Palestinians and the entire Middle East to the degree that we can together, but no, I’m not a supporter of that,” he said.
And
“Sanders also rejected Takruri’s assertion that the two-state solution is almost dead and said he would not embrace a one-state solution.
“I think if that happens, then that would be the end of the State of Israel and I support Israel’s right to exist,” he said. “I think if there is the political will to make it happen and if there is good faith on both sides I do think it’s possible, and I think there has not been good faith, certainly on this Israeli government and I have my doubts about parts of the Palestinian leadership as well.””
So, there you go. He’s not anti-Israel. He’s just opposed to some of what Israel does.
These aren’t isolated incidents. They are systemic, as evidenced by Hamas’s original charter, which calls for genocide against Jews and correspondingly a “globalized intifada.” Jews are victims of more hate crimes than any other group in New York, Jewish institutions need armed guards throughout Europe, Jewish cemeteries and memorials are repeatedly desecrated, and large attacks on Jews and Jewish areas have happened in London, Paris, and Amsterdam. Jews are systemically attacked by certain institutions, which openly preach antisemitism and attacks on Jews. Systemic antisemitism absolutely is a problem in the West. It’s not the case that everyone who attacks Jews is a “deranged extremist.” They’re acting lucidly off of a clear ideology based, often, in their religion. The Moroccan and Turkish Amsterdam attackers were chanting “find the Jews,” and the Boulder attacker was a fanatical Egyptian extremist. Yes, right-wing antisemitism exists too, but that doesn’t mean that left-wing antisemitism doesn’t exist. And many neo-Nazis are anti-Zionist, including David Duke, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, and Jackson Hinkle. In fact, I cannot think of a neo-Nazi who isn’t anti-Zionist. The primary threat to Jews does not come from Zionists; 90% of Jews are Zionists.
If you think Israel doesn’t care about antisemitism, what would an Israel that does care about antisemitism do, in your view? Surrender to Hamas and cease to exist as Jews get ethnically cleansed elsewhere in the world?
She did work out of the belief that both Jews and Palestinians should work together and live side-by-side. There was no element of the Nazi German government that believed in Jews and Germans working side-by-side. That’s a major difference. Her work means Palestinians are better off than had she not existed. Sarah has no say in any decision to stop aid. As for Yaron, I don’t see any evidence he was even involved in this war. How would defending Israel against attackers during the Intifadas be “genocide?”
Zionism is the belief in Jewish self-determination, it is not “Nazism.” Zionists don’t necessarily agree with anything Israel is doing right now. They just believe that Jewish self-determination has a right to exist. Being Zionist (and opposing Jews being ethnically cleansed) does not make someone “passively supportive of Nazism.” What’s your alternative solution to Jewish safety?
According to 2024 polling, more than twice as many Americans sympathize with the Israeli people than with the Palestinian people. A more recent poll found “that 46 percent of respondents sympathize more with Israelis while 33% sympathize more with Palestinians.” Every reliable source points to Americans being more pro-Israel.
Wait, are you saying the politicians bought by AIPAC aren’t espousing anti-Zionist rhetoric? Surely that can’t be right. Next you’re going to tell me that politicians funded by the NRA aren’t calling more stringent gun control laws.
Palestine is not an independent nation-state with its own military rules of engagement. And many Palestinian babies and elderly have been murdered by Israel as revenge already.
It's also not relevant to this issue. The Israeli government sanctions blowing up embassies and killing innocent employees, so it doesn't have any moral high ground when two of its own embassy workers are killed.
Why does Palestine have the “right” to do whatever it wants on the battlefield
When did I say this?
Again it's Hamas, not Palestine. And there is no battlefield. There is no war anymore, only one side is actually fighting. More Israeli soldiers have been killed by other Israeli soldiers and by car accidents than by Hamas in the last month
And half the people who have been called anti-Semites were pointing out that using it to justify brutality would cheapen something that should be reserved for monsters.
Compare civilians death toll. Russian-Ukranian conflict was stated many times by different ppl to have lowest ratio of civilians to army personell killed in all conflicts from several decades and probably from WW2. You cant just put an equals sign between civilians and combatants
When you say "10x more people" I can. Also a death is a death and with Ukraines current conscription I'm betting a lot of their soldiers dont want to be on the front lines.
I agree that every humans life is a sacred thing, but you can not compare deaths of combatants to death of civlians, because when ppl apply to army (not a mobilization thing) they understand they CAN and probably WILL die during war conflict. Why? So that civilian wont have to do it. Basically army is just trained people who are willing to sacrifice greatest and sacred thing they have - their life so that other people of their nation can live. Thats importat to understand difference here. You can not compare this two conflicts and say that one or another side is worse because more people died. It matters who died - army or civilians, for the reasons I explained above
I'm not comparing the 2 conflicts, I'm just looking at the numbers because OP was sooo happy israel is more disliked than russia because of deaths. Not civilian deaths or military deaths, just deaths. Thats a weird stance to take and be happy about anyway, but incorrect to say more Palestinians have died.
The context missing here is that Israel has been doing things just as terrible as Russia and yet they were able to hoodwink the rest of the world into thinking they're the good guys while russia gets punished for it (rightfully so). The increase of dislike towards Israel is a sign that the world is no longer fooled and has started to see the truth. That is something worth celebrating.
Indeed, I think they probably stated just deaths without specific of if it was civlians or combatants mostly because Izzrael never bothered who they kill and it always was mostly civilians (if we are not talking about warfare from the past with arab countries). Its l ike people are getting used to (and that is bad) that Izzrael just casually kills civilians
Conscription is not a mobilization tho, that is why I stated it directly in the text. Conscription is when u go to army for 1-2 years and then u go back home, its basically an army training course. Mobilization is when ur country is at war and they mobilize all men (who fit some criteria)
Not specifically the English definition makes no such distinction, it's "the act or process of forcing people by law to join the armed forces". It just happened that conscription mostly happened during peace time, but conscription also happens during war time. Anyway this just a term, you know what I meant. I consider that most Ukrainians would have rather the war didn't happen and didn't have to enlist either voluntarily or compulsory, they are victims alongside the civillians.
Russian ppl who are subject to conscription aren't sent to Ukraine (iirc there were few occasions, but that was fixed fast and Putin had to apologize for this himself). Ukraine has conscription but they also have ongoing mobilization that was announced long time ago and never ended. Those ukranians who r grabbed on the streets by TTC, they are doing this because of mobilization, not conscription
Isnt that impossible because the Palestinian Health Ministry won't release combatant death statistics?
I know the war is wrong and Israel is completely in the wrong, but if people are going to play a numbers game, let's not forget the 30k girls Russia has kidnapped for breeding stock.
Nevermind Ukraine has bomb shelters plus a subway to protect during bombings. Also they were actually allowed to leave the country unlike Gazans who are prevented from even leaving to Egypt for the duration of whatever bs Israel is doing.
Multiple Ukrainian cities are basically gone now.
None of this matters though, the numbers dont matter, what matters is these conflicts end. Even hating the country doesn't matter. These sort of state actions are as old as humanities build large communities.
Israel and Russia are hardly unique and if we had a sane world we would universally collaborate on effective solutions to encourage change in their leadership or governance.
Hate is ultimately a counterproductive metric to solve most if any problems. But I suppose when everything feels so hopeless it's easy to latch on to.
‘Give us exactly what we want or we’ll invade,’ is not ‘an opportunity to prevent an invasion.’
Chamberlain tried that and despite being a relatively fine PM for most of his career, has been tarnished by his association with appeasement for almost a century since.
So you admit what they want isn't land then. After all they didn't ask for the regions they're now claiming, in that offer - they'd have preferred NATO back off instead. Only after NATO said no did they invade. Hell even Crimea follows that pattern - they had little issue with Ukraine as a whole until the 2013 Euromaidan set them on a path that Russia has seen since the 90s. Finland stayed neutral for over half a century, and was never invaded. After joining NATO it got a new theater command pointed right at it - in over half a century of neutrality they hadn't even done that! Ukraine stayed neutral until 2013 and wasn't invaded - come Euromaidan and within weeks they'd lost Crimea.
Russia's demands in that proposal aren't new - they've been asking the same of NATO since the 90s. The Americans even gave a pinky promise to respect, but in typical lawyer fashion didn't put it down in writing - then proceeded to ignore their requests for over 3 decades. Especially with the entry of the Baltic states - over their strenuous objections - they saw that diplomacy was fruitless with the west. Yet in 2021 they still tried it, one last time. And you said no again, believing they'd just slink back meekly like they have for 30 years. Evidently they were done doing that.
Your WW2 metaphors are tired old hat. You people are really too enamored by that tragedy (what it really was) turned dumb Disney-ified Aesop's Fable that it's used for nowadays. Finland and even Ukraine before Euromaidan show that you had a real opportunity to save Ukraine not just all the lives its lost, but even the lands it's lost. You chose to reject it.
Why don't you try making that offer? They did, now it's your turn. Offer to formally pull NATO out of all the places it has expanded to, as they asked you to in 2021, and in return they give Ukraine back the lands they've taken since. It's basically their offer from 2021, except now coming from your side. Their terms are there for you on that page, you just need to offer to agree to them now. I dunno if they'll accept now, but you have yet to even offer it. So make the offer and we'll see. Until then, you had a chance - and didn't take it.
The countries are free to leave NATO. The reason they choose to remain is that they fear Russian aggression.
By the way, you seem to mistake countries voluntarily joining alliances with countries being forced to submit to a violent aggressor through annexation.
Hah! I knew you wouldn't be ready to make that offer. So much for caring about Ukraine. And yet you expect them to back down? Yeah right. None of this 'countries are free to leave' bs, NATO pulls back. That means they're evicted - they were never supposed to be allowed to join after all. That's what they've been asking for 30 years now.
They asked for the same thing you take for granted. Rules for others but never for you. You won't allow your enemies close, but everyone else has to tolerate it? You just exposed yourself as a hypocrite yet again.
If you truly care about Ukraine, as you pretend, then make the offer. Else you're a hypocrite.
Are you rηrded? I am not a leader of any country, not am I even from Ukraine. I am in position to offer anything on behalf of others. Do you even understand the concept of sovereignty?
And it is always so predictable when authoritarian-simps try to use whataboutism to try to distract from the fact that they are losing an argument
NATO membership was indeed not popular up until russia supported separatists and illegally annexed crimea in 2014. Then they saw that a defensive alliance was necessary to protect themselves from futther russian aggression
Do you understand the concept of sovereignty lol? You certainly don't care about it when it doesn't suit you. Those were just two examples, there are many many more. Here -
You already lost the argument bub. You showed yourself (or if you really want to be anal about it, your countries) as a hypocrite. 'Whataboutism' is your perenial attempt to avoid owning up to that hypocrisy when it's pointed out.
We in the rest of the world aren't buying that excuse. You don't like being called out as a hypocrite? Then you shouldn't have been a hypocrite.
Who says I dont support the sovereignty of those countries? "The west" isnt some sort of monolithic cabal where everyone agrees when our governments do something bad. It might be easier to fight such strawmen, but it doesnt help you win the argument.
And on the topic of hypocrites, by engaging in whataboutism in order to deflect valid criticism against your regime you are in fact proving ypurself to be a hypocrite yourself. The fact that western countries have done bad things is not an excuse for russia to do the same
You cant just put an equals sign between civilians and combatants
Which is what I'm mocking. Yes I can put an equal sign between civilians and combatants because it is absolutely moronic to NOT do that when they're conscripted.
I don’t know how much of it is bullshit but there are estimates and Ukraine says 25,000+ civilians were killed in Mariupol alone and that’s just one siege from 2022. The fog of war is greater there. Although you’re right about the hypocrisy.
Open the Mariupol article on Wikipedia. The UN says they can confirm 1k deaths or something but that the real number is likely far more. Ukraine itself says 25,000+ died. Again I don't know what's bullshit or not but there are no confirmed numbers.
Also even Russia claims more civilian deaths than the UN stated.
More eyes on it but not in it. Journalists are constantly being murdered in Gaza. More journalists killed in Gaza than any other war in modern history.
10400 in Ukrainian controlled territories and 2700 in Russian controlled territories. The death toll in Russian controlled areas is likely much higher than that since the amount of deaths in areas such as Mariupol can't be confirmed.
If you want to speculate about numbers then the Gazan death toll is easily twice as high as the quoted numbers. But it can't be verified because people mysteriously die when they go to Gaza.
The biggest reason there are such lower civilian casualties in the Ukraine war is that most of the fighting is occurring in areas where there are few civilians.
Millions of Ukrainians left the South and East between 2014-2022 to avoid the war there.
Russia is rightfully treates as a pariah. Anyone that tried to deny, excuse or distract from their atrocities and unjust illegal invasion of Ukraine is not worth taking seriously
The actual numbers in Gaza will be far, far higher.
As per The Economist:
the true number of deaths was probably 46-107% higher than the official ministry total. If you assume that the ratio has stayed the same since last June (and not fallen, as systems caught up during the ceasefire, say) and apply them to the current tally, it would suggest that between 77,000 and 109,000 Gazans have been killed, 4-5% of the territory’s pre-war population
Why do folks care so much about how much the country they see as an aggressor is hated vs how much the country they support is liked?
Support for Palestine is climbing, but at least in America remains quite low. Slightly older data since this question is rarely asked. Lowlight: the sum of the net favorability of all plausible Palestinian governments is 31% (vs a minimum 68% unfavorability)
As a Turk: yes we Turks, Kurds, Arabs etc have problems amongst each other. But even for Middle Eastern standards what is happening in Gaza is barbaric.
Even if that were true, it’s apparent from the fact that they do not feel equal disgust at all atrocities that their hatred is driven by millennia of ingrained antisemitism.
Your really deep in your information bubbles arnt you. Also most jews (in the US) dont like Israel, they just support it's right to exist.
Israel "defending" their right to exist is why they've become so militant and radical. They're a product of their environment.
As guilty and innocent as every other warmonger in the region.
Note: I'm not a supporter of Israel, but I have no reason to think it's illegitimate. That's been settled in the way most states have settled the question.
No. A quarter of India is Muslim and half of Nigeria is Muslim lol. The reason is more likely cos of them also having to deal with militancy, just as Israel does.
I assume its cos of militancy being a concern in Nigeria and Kenya too, just as it is for India that's also warmer than the average towards Israel. The US ofc is more about domestic politics than actual threat.
Indians love Israel because we're actually suffering from terrorism. It is easy to sit in safety 1000 kms away and criticize others. It is completely another thing to actually tackle terrorism. Israel's philosophy of disproportionate response has resonated with a billion plus Indians who are fed up with having to restrain themselves
Depends on which right wingers. I know some moderate right wingers that acknowledge Israel as what it is, a Jewish supremacist genocidal state. Those are the rightwingers that I tolerate as a leftist. If every conservative was half principled like them the world would be a much better place. Then there are the ones that oppose Israel for the wrong reasons, that is, they are legit antisemitic. Those fucking idiots just give ammo to Israel because they can point them out, they love that. And then there's the run of the mill ghoul that either is pretending nothing happening or fully endorses Israel. Those go from liberal to far right.
Center right are probably the most pro Israeli group in some countries, but it's not always the same. In Spain the only party who has openly supported Israel is the far right. In France Netanyahu wanted Le Pen in charge so I assume she's pretty pro Israel. It's funny because the Spanish far right was openly antisemitic decades ago, and so was the French far right. Zionists make weird friends.
I think it’s the first time a lot of people have paid any attention at all to Israel. Im German and have personally opposed Israel for a long time, but the vast majority of Germans knew absolutely nothing about the country before 2023, and even now, they barely know anything, since there isn’t a lot of reporting about what’s happening (i don’t think anyone I know heard anything about the 15 executed paramedics). But the little reporting that does happen about the starvation and war is impactful enough for people that have a negative opinion.
That was me before Oct 7. I never thought much about the country, it sounded like a shitty place but nothing out of the ordinary for the middle east. Then I started reading more and looking at how the invasion of Gaza unfolded and my opinion went from "this is the Jewish version of Iran" to "this is one of the most despicable regimes in modern history". Truly a blindfolds out moment.
I don't know where I heard that if you think Israel is bad, you don't know half of it yet. And it's true. The amount of times where my opinion of them have reached a new low is staggering.
I used to be an Israel supporter. This genocide has completely soured me on even the idea of an Israeli state. It's probably one of the current worst countries in the world, up there with Sudan or Myanmar.
A majority of Germans of all people not knowing anything about Israel? Brother are you for real? Israel has been in the public's attention for a long time, repeatedly refreshed through several remembrance days, the current war, extensive reporting about Holocaust survivors (such as Margot Friedländer) and the whole "Staatsräson" thing.
Most people know, but they frankly don't care much about yet another war in the Middle East. That negative opinion right now is justified but most likely also won't stick around for long should Israel finally rid itself of Netanjahu and end the war. After all, Arabs don't have the best image here and the Pro-Palestine protests regularly escalating also doesn't help them with that.
This is exactly what I mean, Germans being completely oblivious to israels history, it’s cultural zeitgeist and it’s extremist, widespread founding principles.
You alluding that this war is somehow the doing on Netanyahu alone, as if it hasn’t been something that’s been brewing for decades, with Israel only waiting for a pretense to further expand its territory, is exactly the type of ignorance I mean.
This is exactly what I mean, Germans being completely oblivious to israels history, it’s cultural zeitgeist and it’s extremist, widespread founding principles.
Not really, since viewing it negatively is certainly your prerogative but not something that is shared among many. Israel being established by the UN and getting invaded immediately for example is something I'm pretty sure most people do know. That it's been in conflict with most of its neighbors is just something people got used to over the years and decades.
You alluding that this war is somehow the doing on Netanyahu alone, as if it hasn’t been something that’s been brewing for decades, with Israel only waiting for a pretense to further expand its territory, is exactly the type of ignorance I mean.
That would mean that the Israelis are a single hive mind which isn't the case as it is with the Palestinians, isn't it?
Israel also wouldn't need any pretence given its own military strength and with the backing of the US, would it? Not to mention that there would have been plenty of opportunities in times past if expanding was their secret plan all along.
Both sides in this seemingly eternal conflict suck and most people in other countries mentally checking out also isn't that surprising. Most simply do not care.
Your first point, I.e. the framing that Israel was attacked without reason, no is simply wrong and ahistorical. A good place to start educating yourself would be The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited by Benny Morris, Israel’s most well known historian.
Not really, since the tensions and threats had been there well before Israel got established.
A good place to start educating yourself would be The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited by Benny Morris, Israel’s most well known historian.
I will have a look but the displacement was a separate instance apart from the invasion. It happened in parallel and wasn't the casus belli.
Its startling revelations about how and why 700,000 Palestinians left their homes and became refugees during the Arab-Israeli war in 1948 undermined traditional interpretations as to whether they left voluntarily or were expelled as part of a systematic plan.
Also your "most well known Israeli historian" seems to have slightly changed his opinion.
Scholars have perceived an ideological shift in Morris's work starting around 2000, during the Second Intifada. Morris's perspective has been described as having become more conservative and more negative towards Palestinians, viewing the 1948 expulsions as a justified act.
It was a contributing factor, but not the singular casus belli. Those tensions with both sides attacking each other had persisted for months at that point. Israel declaring independence and seeing the partition plan by the UN taking shape was the thing that compelled them to action, hence declaring war mere hours after it.
Both sides in this seemingly eternal conflict suck
This is what people mean when they say being completely oblivious to the conflict. "Both sides bad" is how people cope with the fact that they cannot longer say that they support Israel without denouncing that European settler-colonial project for what it is. Sorry.
No, they just don't buy into the whole "European settler-colonial project" narrative which is far so simplified to be given any credentials. Usually that narrative is only found in either the far left or some immigrant groups, both of which are usually on the far fringes of public opinion.
Both sides are bad, there's nothing ambiguous about it.
It's not fence-sitting, it's not subscribing to an oversimplified black & white view, when the reality is many shades of gray. There are no good guys in that conflict, neither in the current one nor in many during the last 70 years.
I would say all the innocent children and women and men who have been bombed, burned and beheaded by Israelis are good.
To think that innocent children like Hind Rajab and thousands of others are not good makes it easier to have such a infantile and simply disgusting perspective about the conflict.
If you wanna break down a political and multifaceted conflict solely down to some emotionally charged level, sure. That's fine if you wanna garner some upvotes in your corner, but does nothing for a valid discussion.
You lament dead Palestinians, the other side does the same for the dead and captured Israelis and you both devolve into some emotional one-upping game where the only thing coming out of it is increased hostility and repulsion.
It's infantile to paint something as complex as this decades-old conflict as simply black and white. The individual may be good, but the collective isn't.
lol you think you're some sort of doctor manhattan viewing human conflict through some objective lens.
what i see is someone jumping through hoops to not say that israel is a european settler-colonial project that has beheaded children by dropping bombs. that's fact, not an emotional response.
i don't expect much from germans who make it a national past time to be on the wrong side of history. i don't care about the upvotes or whatever. i don't have to do much work to make you look completely irrational, so thanks for the help.
Nah man, I just don't think circle-jerking online and infantilizing a complex topic down to a black&white view is a worthwhile endeavor.
what i see is someone jumping through hoops to not say that israel is a european settler-colonial project that has beheaded children by dropping bombs. that's fact, not an emotional response.
Well because it simply isn't. Repeating a wrong statement might get you some upvotes from the usual crowd, but most people in real life either don't care or roll their eyes.
A lot of people including babies have died through bombardment, yes. Tragic and a fact, but what's the point? No one's disputing it anyway. It's unfortunately one aspect of the wider conflict.
i don't expect much from germans who make it a national past time to be on the wrong side of history. i don't care about the upvotes or whatever. i don't have to do much work to make you look completely irrational, so thanks for the help.
Not really but given our history it should be understandable why we're not really the sort to let emotion or anger let us jump to conclusions. Only arguing emotionally ("does no one think of the children?!") is the hallmark of being irrational, not trying to see both sides and why we're where we are.
Whether you like it or not, if you want the conflict to end you need to take Israel's perspective into account anyway. There will be no peace with only one side at the table. Regardless of whether I'm German, Moroccan, Japanese, Martian or whatever else.
For me the turning point in German opinion was when Tilo Jung began asking politicians hard-hitting questions about Israel and citing facts and reports like that of Amnesty International and the ICC; I was shocked to see what looked like 99% of the comments on his Instagram posts relating to the topic (my mental health is too fragile to allow me to read YouTube comments) supported him, which is to say were critical of Israel, and my impression is that Tilo Jung is watched and/or commented on by young people across the political spectrum, so his detractors included.
You might start asking yourself, if the public opinion of Netanyahu and Israel is so bad, how on earth did they win the eurovision song contest when it comes to public vote. Pretty weird huh.
It's because the euro public votes are a scam. You can basically vote 20 times with each phone number. Very little in actual verification.
All you need is enough money and people in those countries willing to vote.
On top of the fact that a protest vote would mean not voting which only skews voting in favour of Israel.
Anyone who non-ironically uses Eurovision as a bench mark is ridiculous. The Netherlands gave most their points to Israel, but also held their largest protest in the last 20+ years for Palestine.
European countries can be like that. Austria has a regulated real state market that was created by socialists before WW2. To this day it's very controlled by a mix of government institutions and renter cooperatives. On the other hand the far right is very popular (and very racist)
You can vote 100 times with 5 credit cards if you wish so.
My country Spain gave 12 points to Israel. This is a complete joke because Zionism is radioactive here, not even conservatives tend to give support to Israel and mostly choose to pretend they're blind to the conflict.
It was so blatant that our public broadcast corporation demanded an audit, since Eurovision doesn't provide the full numbers.
Why is Israel even IN Eurovision anyway? Like never mind any moral qualms, rather what the hell is the EURO part of the name for? Ditto for Australia or any other non-European country. If you want to do that, then just ditch the name and use a new one. Which they won't do cos it would hurt its brand value or something I guess, consistency and coherence be damned. Or is that contest just supposed to be the 'western civilization' club? But shies away from calling itself that cos it doesn't want to associate itself with the right, but still acts like it in practice.
All public broadcasters that are members of the european broadcasting union or partners with the organization can participate in Eurovision. Egypt could participate if they wanted to.
most pro-Israel, natural people dont boycott the Eurovision, Pro israel all need to vote for Israel, while these who dislike Israel needs to split it to a lot of countries. And the Boycott of anti Israel helps too.
Manipulating the vote. It’s not hard. It only costs loads of money and they have loads of that thanks to their American allies bravely forgoing healthcare. It’s all money for the EBU so it’s not in their interest to stop it.
It's why Israel's propaganda effort is so massive. They know U.S. is the only thing standing between them and the fate of apartheid South Africa, the rest of the world loathes the colonialist apartheid state or doesn't give a fuck.
34% (India) is not mostly supported. With a muslim majority Nigeria isn't going to do anything and Kenya is not really any help either. Those are the only countries with a net positive.
If it is not mostly supported, said policy rests on an uncertain ground. Plus India has no capacity to act as any sort of replacement to U.S. on monetary support alone.
Israel's economy, culture, middle class and self-image is highly tied to its relationships with the Western nations. India accounts for 3.67% of Israel's total exports and 2.66% of its total imports.
Well, that happens when your politicians in charge are breaking international law, disobeying human rights, and actively invest in a genocide.
I wished those people also pushed their own leaders to take action. Protest on the street, boycot Israeli products, picket companies that invest in Israël,...
It makes you start to wonder if perhaps the conspiracy theories weren’t just theories and there indeed exists a deep state, or more easily explainable, if the politicians have personal gains from supporting Israel.
There's a historical reason that most western countries support Israel. But that support needs boundaries. Fortunately, even Germany understood that those boundaries have been crossed.
people in Israel have been protesting for years now, its just netanyahu has a fanatic group of followers and the way israeli voting system works lets him get elected even without having a majority by teaming up with the ultra religious and settlers
Unfortunately most polling out of Israel has the majority of Israelis in favour with what the IDF has been doing in Gaza. Netanyahu might not be as popular but the government’s actions regarding Gaza are
No they’re literally talking about all Jews and they are very clear about it. Weird to defend the Houthis, who were an active participant in a war which killed 500k. Houthis have killed more Muslims than Bibi has
The Houthis weren't the ones who killed 500k. That was mainly the Gulf countries, in particular KSA who held a blockade on Yemen literally starving people.
Mainly the gulf countries? As an Iranian, look at who’s involved in every mass causality event in the Middle East. Assad, Houthis, Hamas. Do you know what prompted KSA to put a blockade on Yemen? What do you think they did it just to mean or were they being fired upon?
Look how unpopular they are in Europe, but remember they came 2nd place in euro vision!!!
Hasbara and their media manipulation is more obvious than ever, the funny thing is they are not quiet about the genocide which makes them even more abhorrent and hated to the rest of the world the more they defend themselves.
Yeah it couldn’t possibly be that Eurovision is easily gamed or that ‘Israel vs Not-Israel’ means that protest votes against Israel gets lost in the noise of voting, it must be a Hasbara conspiracy to manipulate the media in order to use Eurovision as a… Shield against criticism?
How often do Kpop fans talk about Chaebol? Or otukus talk about Japanese racism and xenophobia? America and Britain know the value of soft, cultural power -- literal CIA propaganda makes its way into hollywood blockbusters, the Pentagon has it's own media office for that purpose.
It must be a Hasbara conspiracy to manipulate the media in order to use Eurovision as a… Shield against criticism?
Actually yeah, it was basically used as a domestic cudgel to prove that Israel is western-coded and a popular state abroad. Not all media manipulation is specifically for your consumption.
"Currently, Israel receives $3 billion annually in U.S. assistance through Foreign Military Financing (FMF).[190] Seventy-four percent of these funds must be spent on the acquisition of U.S. defense equipment, services, and training.[191] Thus, "United States military aid to Israel is seen by many as a subsidy for U.S. industries", according to Kenneth M. Pollack.[192]"
Yes, one of the reasons is they gave full production rights of the proprietary Iron Dome system to Raytheon and USMDA. In this way, the US gets the missile defense system, props up the defense industry manufacturing, and sells the equipment back to Israel.
The US would have to defeat it's weapons industry lobby first.
According to OpenSecrets, the Defense industry spent just short of 150m in lobbying in 2024.
The Pro-Israel lobby (you can find them in Single Issue) is just short of 5m, or 1/30th of that (then again, in the summaries for each group you can find that the Pro-Israel lobby spent 60m for Congressional Elections vs 30m for Defense, so it's more like 3 times as much for the Defense lobby in total).
So what? If any of those countries were going to bail out the Palestinians, they would have done so by now. Various world leaders bitch about Israel but continue to trade with it and rely on its tech. Last year was the most profitable year for the Israeli defense industry in its history.
It's so bizarre how despite all this evidence that they are globally disliked for their campaign of starvation and extermination against the Palestinian people (disproportionately killing children), they still cling to the idea it is all an antisemitic conspiracy theory.
Imagine how deluded and indoctrinated you have to be to deny all evidence of what your state is doing and think people somehow don't like you for your religion/ethnicity.
I almost feel sorry for them, were it not for the fact they defend and deny such evil acts.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu speaks during a news conference in Jerusalem on Sept. 2, 2024. (Ohad Zwigenberg/Pool/AFP via Getty Images)
International views of Israel and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are much more negative than positive, according to a Pew Research Center survey of 24 countries conducted this spring.
Israelis, for their part, tend to say their country is not respected internationally: 58% say Israel is not too or not at all respected around the world, while 39% think it is.
How we did this
This Pew Research Center analysis focuses on public opinion of Israel and Prime Minister Benajmin Netanyahu in 24 countries in North America, Europe, the Middle East, the Asia-Pacific region, sub-Saharan Africa and Latin America. The survey also gauged opinions of other countries, including the United States, Russia and China, as well as other world leaders.
While surveys in some countries began during a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, the fieldwork in most countries largely took place after violence between the two sides resumed.
For non-U.S. data, this analysis draws on nationally representative surveys of 28,333 adults across 24 countries conducted Jan. 8-April 26, 2025. All surveys were conducted over the phone in Canada, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Poland, South Korea, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom. Surveys were conducted face-to-face in Argentina, Brazil, India, Indonesia, Israel, Kenya, Mexico, Nigeria, South Africa and Turkey. In Australia, we used a mixed-mode probability-based online panel.
In the United States, we surveyed 3,605 U.S. adults from March 24 to March 30, 2025. Everyone who took part in this survey is a member of the Center’s American Trends Panel (ATP), a group of people recruited through national, random sampling of residential addresses who have agreed to take surveys regularly. This kind of recruitment gives nearly all U.S. adults a chance of selection. Surveys were conducted either online or by telephone with a live interviewer. The survey is weighted to be representative of the U.S. adult population by gender, race, ethnicity, partisan affiliation, education and other categories. Read more about the ATP’s methodology.
In 20 of the 24 countries surveyed, around half of adults or more have an unfavorable view of Israel. Around three-quarters or more hold this view in Australia, Greece, Indonesia, Japan, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and Turkey.
Views of Israel are fairly divided in India (34% favorable, 29% unfavorable).
In Kenya and Nigeria, around half of adults or more have a favorable view of Israel.
How views have changed in recent years
The recent survey is not the first time Pew Research Center has asked about international views of Israel. We have asked about views of Israel before in some countries – including in the United States, where the share of adults with a negative view of Israel rose 11 percentage points between March 2022 and March 2025.
In 10 other countries, we last asked this question in 2013. In seven of these countries, the share of adults with a negative view of Israel has increased significantly. In the United Kingdom, for example, 44% had an unfavorable view of Israel in 2013, compared with 61% now. (In Nigeria, both the share of adults with a negative view of Israel and the share with a positive view have increased since 2013, due to a decline in the share saying they don’t know.)
Views by age
In some countries, younger people are more likely than older people to have an unfavorable view of Israel. This is particularly the case in the high-income countries surveyed: Australia, Canada, France, Poland and South Korea and the U.S. In fact, the U.S. has one of the largest age gaps in views of Israel.
In many countries where we asked about political ideology, people who place themselves on the left have a more negative view of Israel than those on the right. In Australia, for example, those on the left are about twice as likely as those on the right to have an unfavorable opinion (90% vs. 46%). The ideological gap in the U.S. is also one of the largest of the countries surveyed; 74% of liberals have a negative view of Israel, compared with 30% of conservatives.
Confidence in Israel’s prime minister is low in most surveyed countries. Outside Kenya and Nigeria, no more than around a third of adults in any surveyed country have confidence in Netanyahu to do what’s right regarding world affairs.
Confidence in Netanyahu is particularly low in Australia, France, Germany, Greece, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and Turkey, where around three-quarters of adults or more have little or no confidence in him. In some of these countries, a majority say they have no confidence in him at all.
Views by age
As with views of Israel, confidence in Netanyahu varies by age in some countries, with younger people expressing less confidence than older people. In Hungary, for example, adults ages 50 and older are twice as likely as those ages 18 to 34 to have confidence in him (40% vs. 20%).
Views by ideology
In several countries, people on the ideological right are much more likely than those on the left to have confidence in Netanyahu’s handling of world affairs. In France, for example, 25% of those on the right have confidence in him, compared with 12% of those in the ideological center and 8% of those on the left.
Do Israelis feel their country is respected internationally?
More Israelis say their country is not too or not at all respected around the world (58%) than say it is somewhat or very respected (39%). These views are largely unchanged since last year. But the share of Israelis who say their country is not at all respected has increased 9 points since then, from 15% to 24%.
As was the case last year, there are large ideological differences among Israelis on this question. Israelis on the ideological right (49%) are more likely than those on the left (24%) to say their country is respected abroad. Israeli Arabs and Israeli Jews are equally likely to say that the country is respected internationally, also consistent with last year.
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BallisticFiber@reddit
My man Bibi rocking it in Nigeria. No idea what they gave to them to have that, probably some government to government cooperation involving Izzrael money
DanDan1993@reddit
Noticed it too but imo that explanation doesn't really effect the population, only politicians..
like I bet we would get the same results like turkey from UAE, Dubai and Morocco even though their governments/regimes are getting Israeli technology, training and investments.. most Abraham accord nations wouldn't get that agreement passed assuming they were a democracy and it would be held in a public vote based on the populations opinion
I have no real clue why population in Nigeria "like" us but I doubt it's related to Israel funneling money to the government, because it's not that much given Israel isn't even in top 10 of investors in Nigeria
NoLove_NoHope@reddit
I can’t speak for Muslim Nigerians, but I know that quite a lot of African Christians have a positive view of Israel because of the Bible. They assume modern Israel is that of the Bible so it must be good and their actions must be just.
It’s a very reductionist point of view.
LiquorMaster@reddit
I mean you also forget that both Nigeria and Kenya are dealing with violent islamist militants and are likely extremely sympathetic to that point.
KalaiProvenheim@reddit
What if we ran the same poll in Muslim countries plagued by religious civil wars
LiquorMaster@reddit
?
KalaiProvenheim@reddit
The vast majority of victims of Islamist militias are Muslims
LiquorMaster@reddit
I don't think that matters in the same way.
KalaiProvenheim@reddit
Right, they’re Muslim so they matter less, no?
LiquorMaster@reddit
Why do you think Muslims matter less? I think that's pretty disgusting attitude.
KalaiProvenheim@reddit
I do not think that, I’m pointing out that’s the only way what you said makes sense
Muslims are the ones hurt most by these militias, and yet they don’t support Israel (which is arming a group allegedly linked to ISIS)
LiquorMaster@reddit
That's not really the "only way what [I] said makes sense".
Can you think of why Muslims might not support Israel, even though some Muslims are being attacked by other radical Muslims?
Max_FI@reddit
Christians in Europe and America use the same logic.
TurkicWarrior@reddit
The number still seem off to me considering the fact that Nigeria is half Muslim and half Christian.
And I’m guessing that ethnic Igbo are the most pro Israel.
ycnz@reddit
If you read the book of Joshua, yeah.
rattleandhum@reddit
It's bible brain rot.
Israel gets a pass, just like the dumb christians in America.
DanDan1993@reddit
Nigeria is almost split between Islam and Christianity, so it's not the whole picture
rattleandhum@reddit
Either way, support for Israel should be viewed as akin to support of Apartheid South Africa, but it isn't because religious people are morons.
gnocchiGuili@reddit
Maybe the Nigerian population has good opinion on every country by default.
Aromatic-Session4501@reddit
This might be true. In another poll Nigeria was one of the few countries that had positive views of Joe Biden, Xi Jinping, and Donald Trump. Not big on Putin, though. My guess is that the Wagner Group stuff might be hurting Russia’s reputation there.
HaxboyYT@reddit
As a Nigerian, I seriously doubt those numbers are accurate.
Half the country is Muslim and they’re overwhelmingly pro-Palestine (Muslim brothers and all that). Even if every single Christian was pro-Israel (which they aren’t), you should still see at least see 50% of so having unfavourable views of Israel
I can see the Biafra folk down south being pro-Israel due to anti-North/Muslim sentiment and also because Israel supported Biafra in the civil war
KalaiProvenheim@reddit
The poll probably selects more for the South, which tends to be more developed (closer the coast and all)
ary31415@reddit
I assume it's because of the issues with Boko Haram in the area, and therefore a low tolerance for islamist ideologies
BallisticFiber@reddit
This Boko Haram terrorists have ties with ISIS and Al Quaeda. I wish world looked more into what happens in Africa. This terrorists should be bombed and dealt with same as ISIS
BendicantMias@reddit
Similar security concerns. Notice India also tends to be more favorable. Cos India deals with militant attacks frequently as well. I assume it's a similar reason for Nigeria and Kenya.
Kophiwright@reddit
May be US money and soft power too. Alot of American evangelical groups have set themselves up in predominantly christian countries around Africa and tried to push Zionism as a means of Christian salvation in the general public.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
This makes me so happy
jonassalen@reddit
This doesn't make me happy at all.
All those people that understand a genocide is happening, human rights are being disregarded and international law is broken and still their governments are doing too little to change anything.
I would love to see that Israël gets more positive views in the future, because their leaders are not right wing nationalist assholes and they choose to live peacefully with other nations (which they respect). That future is unfortunately far away, and it's our job globally to push for that future.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
If Israel wants to get more support in the future, then it needs to correct its behavior.
It’s pretty simple.
Normal people don’t go around saying & doing the things Israel does. And they don’t take pride in that.
People don’t want to associate with that or be around that.
jonassalen@reddit
Israël will need to elect better leaders. Netanyahu needs to be before the ICJ for war crimes.
apistograma@reddit
Israel would need better Israelis. It's the entire country. Their own polls claim 80% support the expulsion of all Gazans.
jonassalen@reddit
I understand the emotional sentiment, but I do really think a lot of those people wouldn't want that in a different context. A lot of those people are brainwashed by religion or propaganda.
And 80% isn't the entire country. It's difficult sometimes, but we cannot stop being nuanced.
apistograma@reddit
So your point is that Israel is good already the way it is? Why are you talking as if I'm claiming I want to kill them all.
Israel doesn't have a right to exist. The land should be occupied like Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan were. That doesn't mean I want to genocide like the majority of them wish to do to Palestine.
jonassalen@reddit
That's not my point at all.
Before Octobre 7th there was a good sized peace-movement in Israel. There are progressive Jews. There are Israelis that live in peace with Palestinians.
If we can't define nuances in this discussion, we're a long way from a good solution.
apistograma@reddit
They somehow turned genocidal after Oct 7. That just happens
jonassalen@reddit
You're misreading my words.
I agree that Israel is committing a genocide. But not all Israelis agree with their government.
big_cock_lach@reddit
Every single country in the world just voted at the U.N. to force Israel to accept a ceasefire treaty. Every single country except the US. They vetoed all of it.
Our governments are doing something about it. It’s only the Americans who want to see this continue. Blame them, not the rest of us and our governments.
thrice_twice_once@reddit
Just to highlight this.
If you talk to an Israeli or even go on their forums they still believe (or at this point are led to believe) that they are supported the world over. Even act confused when they aren't.
It has never been clearer. Literally across the globe people have seen the ugliness of Israel and it's violence. Complete moral bankruptcy.
No one likes child murderers and Israels army is full of them.
big_cock_lach@reddit
I’d go further to say it’s not even just Israel’s army that’s filled with child murderers, but their whole country. The government is complacent, most citizens have to work for the IDF at some point, and then there’s the settlers.
apistograma@reddit
It's painfully obvious that it's the entire country. You can refuse to serve by being in jail for 2 months. And not even such a harsh jail, this is not like when they kidnap palestinians and torture/rape them.
You have a choice: engage in genocide or be in jail for 2 months. What do you choose?
For anyone it's easy. And yet the vast majority of Israelis engage with genocide.
Destroyer902@reddit
Not even most Americans want this shit. I'll admit most of us are stupid fucking idiots, especially Republicans, but our government does not at all represent the American people. Never has.
funditinthewild@reddit
Yeah. Especially telling when the majority of democrats sympathise with Palestine which is not representative in Democrat politicians.
apistograma@reddit
Current polls show that even young republicans are more negative than positive towards israel. In 30 years they won't have any support at all.
jonassalen@reddit
Our governments aren't doing enough. Voting on a bill to force a ceasefire is not enough. Asking to restart aid is not enough. We need sanctions against Israël. Not because I'm angry (which I am), but too let the world know that this behaviour is wrong and that it will be punished. I expect more from the EU.
big_cock_lach@reddit
Yeah I fully agree with you. It does look like we’re moving more this way though when you have countries distancing themselves diplomatically from Israel and providing them with less weapons. Some, such as Spain, are even looking to end all trade with Israel.
More can be done, but it’s a good step and Israel is quickly becoming a pariah state and a US puppet in the Middle East. It’s going to take a very long time to dismantle the close relations with have with them, and perhaps that’s a good thing if it allows them to right their wrongs before being completely cutoff.
I misread your first comment though and thought you said we weren’t doing anything. We are, and it’s looking like we’re going to be doing a lot more soon too. The west was slow to act on it, but now we are starting to do so which is a good thing.
alienwolf@reddit
or perhaps its just virtue signalling by every country because they know that US will veto it anyway. Aren't most western countries still selling Israel weapons? So what, if they vote for a resolution knowing full well that it will get vetoed
big_cock_lach@reddit
Most countries are reining that in and are heavily reducing how many weapons they sell to Israel. A lot are also just reducing trade with some countries like Spain looking to end trade with Israel altogether. The world is changing their mind on Israel very quickly, and they’re becoming a pariah state to everyone except the US who will continue to prop them up as their base of operations in the Middle East.
ParagonRenegade@reddit
“Polls are Hamas”
“*through sobs*You can’t just say everything is Hamas…please…”
*points at bird flying past*
“Hamas”
Daryno90@reddit
Odds are they’ll say something like “they just dislike genocide because Jews are doing it, they don’t actually care about Gazans”
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
Nope. The claim is actually “anti-Zionists are out here murdering Jews, like in DC and Boulder.” Nice try though.
why_i_bother@reddit
Who's killing Jews? Seems like only sionists got attacked.
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
For starters, Elias Rodriguez was killing Jews.
why_i_bother@reddit
Elias Rodriguez killed sionists. In Boulder, the attacked were sionists protesting for 'awareness of Hamas held hostages', not Jews.
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
So do you think it’s good that there are hostages, that those protesting to free hostages should be violently attacked, and that it’s okay to murder Jews who believe in Jewish self-determination?
why_i_bother@reddit
No, it's bad there are hostages. There definitely shouldn't be hostages held by terrorist organization Hamas (about 50, most of them are most likely dead due too Israeli bombarding), nor there should be hostages held by Israel (around 3500 'administrative detainees', held in concentration camps like Sde Teiman, tortured, raped, refused medical care, killed)
no, you seem to misunderstood that they were attacked because of their 'jewishness', but they were attacked because of their sionism
no? why would that be ok? we both know, that every nationality has right to self-determination. Jews, Palestinians...
Sionists however propose Jewish supremacy and aparteid. As we both know.
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
But they were protesting to free the hostages. Why is protesting to free hostages “attacking someone because of their Zionism?”
why_i_bother@reddit
Because they only want to 'release the hostages' on their side. That's sionism.
Why not press Israel to release their hostages?
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
They absolutely should as well. Release all hostages. Some of the pro-Palestine protests don’t mention feeding the Israeli hostages, does that make them evil?
As long as the message is humane and doesn’t support violence against the other side, why is any attack justifiable?
apistograma@reddit
Surely you're mentally able to understand that when you're commiting a genocide you're bound to make some people to latch and commit terrorism?
I mean, I won't support killing civilians, but it's plain obvious that when there's one side that is engaging in the starvation of 2 million people, the fact that your particular issue is that some zionists are targeted is kinda ridiculous? Israel has killed more Jews by bombing, killing the hostages and enforcing the Hannibal Doctrine in Oct 7 than anyone in the West has.
By the same logic, nobody should have invaded Germany and we should have let all Jews die. Have you thought about the children of the German soldiers?
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
I have nothing wrong with a March memorialising the Palestinians killed. Obviously I have sympathy for the Palestinian people; they’re victims of terrible war crimes committed by the IDF.
That doesn’t justify terrorism against innocent Americans who just want their loved ones back home.
apistograma@reddit
It's a good thing that the situation has gotten so bad that crypto Zionists must concede on the war crimes, but you're still desperately trying to negotiate so the general public doesn't claim it's a genocide.
Too late man, everyone knows it's a genocide even if you don't want to say it. Good luck pretending you were against it in 20 years, the internet remembers.
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
What’s a “crypto-Zionist?”
I don’t support what Israel is doing. I support Israel’s right to exist.
To address your point, there’s a difference between the children of German soldiers and a random Thai farm worker or an 80+ year-old Holocaust survivor.
apistograma@reddit
You post on Cornell and political subs (other than Jewish and Worldnews, Zionist dens) and you don't know what crypto Zionist means? Do you know what a cryptofascist is? It shouldn't be difficult to solve 1+1. Unless the only political science you know is Israeli apologetics.
"I'm not supporting the Nazi, I just think the US shouldn't intervene in WW2. America first"
Rings a bell? That's you for Israel.
apistograma@reddit
The victims of Elias Rodriguez were a Jew and a Christian German who were attending a course on how to spread misinformation and propaganda in order to help Israel with their genocide.
But it sure doesn't fit your narrative so well when saying: one of the two victims was Jewish
Daryno90@reddit
Nope, people literally told me that I’m only against what Israel is doing because the Jews are doing it
Mccobsta@reddit
He's really devalued a lot lots of actual anti-semitism claims with this
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
I would argue that anti-Zionists have devalued their ideology by murdering Jews in western countries, like the recent attacks in DC and Boulder. All that does is provide evidence for Netanyahu’s view that Jews are safest in Israel.
Dogulol@reddit
i dont think such stuff are endorsed by any significant antizionists. But the association of judaism with israeli terror is done by the mainstream
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
Not true. Unity of Fields, Bronx Anti-War Coalition, and DSA Liberation caucus all endorsed Elias Rodriguez’s murders in DC.
Dogulol@reddit
These are farleft, marxist groups that arent "mainstream", I can bet you this is the first time most people here have heard of these, let alone your average joe. And they have only condoned the DC attack not boulder, which there is a case for in their philosophy since they were idf members and israeli propagandists, npt some "random jew or zionist". I dont condone the DC attack bc it doesnt achive anything productive, not that those people didnt have it coming by being warcriminals. I wouldnt be mad if a ukranian killed a russian state asset or diplomat for example and i dount the şnternational world would care at all.
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
Sarah Milgrim was not an IDF member. She was an American who worked with an organization to bring together Israeli and Palestinian entrepreneurs. She was an advocate for peace, for both groups living side by side in harmony.
And FWIW anti-Zionism in the U.S. isn’t mainstream. It isn’t espoused by any major political party or even any major politicians beyond “the squad.” These “far-left” organizations are the mouthpieces for anti-Zionism within the U.S.
Dogulol@reddit
they were israeli embassy staffers and she was marrying a hasbara specialist and warcriminal
If you would genuinely care if a ukranian did this on a russian propagandist and his also diplomat wife, sure go ahead and condemn it, but i honestly wouldnt care. Palestinians have suffered worst, im not going to spill a tear on israeli diplomats and people actively supporting a ethnosupremacist state.
Also, Israel has a specific tactic of tracking "hamas" members to their homes and bombing them there likely together with their wife and kids. I dont see your outrage about that which is way worse. The Israeli pager attack killed children of hezbollah members(who are bassicly government in south lebanon). Israel bombed the iranaan embassy in syria killing 2 civillians woman and a child. Ali Heydari was a doctor when idf targeted his vehicle. Masoumeh karbasi is another example. John Gunter Dean is another example. My point being israel already targets diplomats, humanitarians and their families constantly and in a statesponsored manner.
Israel is viewed unfaroubly by the majority of americans according to a recent poll. AntiIsrael sentiment is at an all time high, while you might not consider people like bernie or aoc "antizionists" bc they arent ones openly, this is only due to the mainstream media being owned and operated in favor of israel and that making them easy points pf attack. They are still the mainstream antizionists of the left/democratic party. On the other hand people like candice owens (who is an antisemite btw) piers morgan and other rightwing figures reprent that view on the right. Antizionism is mainstream as in big in america the media hasnt caught up yet.
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
A few issues here:
Bernie is very openly a Zionist
“I don’t care about killing Jews because more Palestinians are being killed” is not sound moral reasoning
Which war crimes did Yaron commit?
I never defended what Israel does, but “Israel bad, so it’s okay to murder Jews” is, again, not sound logic
Most Americans are not anti-Zionist
Piers Morgan is not anti-Zionist
Dogulol@reddit
As I elaborate in my comment, him and aoc are forced to make such statement regardless of their actual beliefs, and he can still be a mild zionist while being the mainstream voice for the antizionist movement as he is the only one in the mainstream expressing critisizm pf israel and preaching the freedom of palestinians. I dont think thats really a contradiction. They are also the face of the socialists of america despite being social democrats. They voice out our concerns to the public and are most associated with it. Same with most pf the squad.
Thats not really my argument, I dont care fpr this case bc the people who got killed are actively contributing material support to a genocidal state. I mentioned that to you to point out your hypocracy pn the matter. 2 dead israeli diplomats are miniscule compared to the crimes of israel yet you choose to focus on one rather than the other which is infinetly more blatant, disgusting and systemic than the other.
Are SS members not war criminals in your mind? Id argue even without proof that he himself committed warcrimes joining the SS or the russian army or the iof willingly and with openly ideological reasons is enough to make you a warcriminal, pr at least indisguishable from one in terms of morality.
When did I ever say killing jews was ok? Thats like someone killing a neonazi or nazi and you going but nazi germany being bad doesnt make killing germans ok. We arent talking about killing germans, we are talking about killing nazis, equating the two is just doing disingenious apologetism for the murderous, supremacist state.
Most americans arent antizionist, modt americans are not informed about the topic, but most americans already dislike israel, and are slowly becoming antizionist. Antisememtism is also rising as neonazis are normalized by the right and by people like elon, but americas zionist establishment doesnt care about antisemetism or the actual hate of jews, they like it, instead they care about antizionism only.
Same argument with bernie. If you want antizionists that are known among genz then the DSA, Hasan, or people like norman finkelstein or noam chomsky are good examples.
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
“Bernie is actually an anti-Zionist and he’s lying about his belief because he has to” is a bold claim to make without evidence. What is a “mild Zionist?” Bernie has been clear that he believes in Jewish self-determination, as he believes in Palestinian self-determination. These things make him a Zionist. He opposes Israeli war crimes. Doesn’t mean he opposes the existence of Israel. He is a Democratic Socialist and is open about that. He isn’t a voice for, say, communists, because he’s openly not a communist. He is a voice for his ideology, not competing ones. Some voices for anti-Zionism are: within our lifetime, Samidoin, Jewish Voice for Peace, and the DSA liberation caucus. Not Bernie, not the Democrats. They don’t speak for anti-Zionists, they just aren’t anti-Zionist.
I would argue that the killing and attempted killing of Jews in the West by anti-Zionists is systemic. Not just Sarah, but also the 12 people injured in Boulder Colorado by the anti-Zionist terrorist, the violence Jews face elsewhere (remember Sarah Halimi, the Amsterdam Pogrom, etc…), the attacks on Joseph Borgen and Matt Greenman in NYC, the Golders Green “kristallnacht” in London, the assault on the Jewish student in Ireland, etc… all at the hands of anti-Zionists.
Does this justify Israeli war crimes? NOT AT ALL!
But it’s not as simple as “violence against Palestinians is systemic, violence against Jews is a one-off.”
Also, these weren’t Israeli diplomats. And those attacked in Boulder weren’t even Israeli. How do you explain that?
I don’t think a peace advocate is analogous to an SS solider. Sarah Milgrim was not a soldier. She worked to bring Israelis and Palestinians together. Elias Rodriguez had no idea who did what when he shot. It’s not like he went for IDF members specifically, he just … shot at people leaving a Jewish museum indiscriminately. Is it morally okay to shoot randomly in the direction of an event and if you hit a “bad guy” it’s justified and if you don’t “oh well, but she was associated with a bad cause?” And was Yaron even in Gaza? Was he even close to war crimes? Or is your argument that anyone who has ever served Israel is inherently a “war criminal,” even if he served before this war?
When you define all Zionists as “Nazis” and consider that 90% Jews are Zionists, you’re basically okaying killing Jews
More Americans dislike Palestine than dislike Israel, and it’s not even close. This trend is not reversing. It’s not like Europe, where a majority of people in some countries seem to be anti-Zionist.
Yes. Those are anti-Zionists. Piers and Bernie are not.
Dogulol@reddit
Thats not my claim at all. My claim is that we really dont know, and that it doesnt matter, they are the ones representing the views and beliefs of antizionists to the mainstream. Similar to how trump or musk are the mainstream neonazis, are they actually neonazis? id argue not really, they just parrot the same stuff they do bc of their agenda and are the ones spreading and representing the belief to the mainstream. Bernie is a voice for the entire left, for socialist and for even communists bc there are no others. And he doesnt attack leftward at all, if he actually made a significant effort to attack leftward maybe youd be right.
Do you know what systemic means? Individual cases of terror are not representitive of systemic issues, especially when the best examples you can come with include farright ultras causing trouble, attacking people and then getting their asses handed. If you call actual neonazis being beaten a "pogrom" than there is no point in arguing with you. Presenting actual neonazi hooligans i repeat neonazis, being kicked after chanting genocidal things and attacking peoplr on the street as "jews being attacked" than you are npt arguing in good faith at all. 2 other pf your examples are mentally ill people, namely the boulder case and sarah hamlini, they were clearly mentally insane and the sarah case was charged as such. So all you can come up with is 2 zionists in new york protests being beaten up, thats your definition of systemic? Systemic is the killing of palestinians by the israeli terror machine, systemic is the apartheid enforced in israel, systemic is the silencing and prosecution of propalestinian voices in the west. They are results pf the systems and institutions in place in israel in the west and occur regularly and in a similar manner. They arent acts of individual violence that get called out, prosecuted and condemned, they are the result of structures built in that largely go unchanged and uncritizised for large periods of time. I can just of the top of my name name out more zionist violence that IS systemic namely that the police and our government choose to ignore/not prosecute it and even endorse it. Just recently in new york 2 propalestinian woman were beaten up by gangs of male orthdox jews, or the UCLA attacks which were coordinated and remain unprosecuted, or the systemic harrasment campaign of antizionist voices online by propaganda outlets like the ADL, or the systemic silencing of voices critical of israel in the ballot box by zionist and conservative PACs. That is systemic as in it results from the structures of our world such as our political system.
Systematic antisemetism exists in the west, but not in the way you think. It exists mostly in the form of Zionism, not antizionism. The people demonising george soros for example, arent antizionists, or the people tweeting out and amplyfying neonazis on twitter arent antizionists, they are the farright who are staunch allies of israel on the mainstream. Even apart from the farright, regular zionism in and of itself has become antisemetic in its quest to systematically target and denounce any jew not willing to be a part of its warcrimes. Zionism needs antisemetism to survive and strenghten its cause so it doesnt fear spreading antisemetism worldwide either. If Israel ever truly cared about antisemetism or the wellbeing of jews, it wouldnt go on one pf the most racist, bloody and genocidal campaign of modern history in the name of judaism. It would spend its time combating genuine antisemetism coming from the right not antizionist sentiment from the left.
I dont understand how we got back to the boulder case, the man was a deranged extremists, his videos clearly demonstrate he wasnt in his right mind. No one supports or condemns such violence its not only pointless there is really no moral argument for it.
The guy isnt even a religious jew, he joined the idf purely out of ideology, not bc he was drafter pr that he had to. Yes I believe that makes you a war criminal. You dont have to be in gaza, materially and knowingly supporting war crimes and a genocidal army makes you morally indisguishable from a war criminal. I dont think this is a contraversial belief, I would say all SS members were war criminals and deserve punishment as they operated on ideology and were not drafted. Same logic for him.
80% of germans at the time were likely supportive of the war effort and were at the least passive nazis. Is saying its ok to kill nazis antigerman and racist? Does it mean its ok to kill germans? The reality is saying its ok to kill nazis doesnt mean its ok to kill 80% pf germans or 90% of jews. It means people actively participating in the state crimes such as settlers, iof members or other people in the israeli government. So FULLON nazis that either are murderous like the settlers, or the SS/IOF, and the government officials alongside the chain making it possible including embassy workers and diplomats who are all more than just complicit or vaguely supportive.
That asks about the palestinian authority, not palestine. The general sympathy for palestine is INCREASING drastically especially among youth while the reverse is true for israel in america. This trend in europe is even more significant. Antizionism is slowly becoming mainstream and propalestinian thought already IS in 2025.
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
Asked by Takruri whether he “respected” BDS as a legitimate nonviolent protest movement, Sanders said, “No, I don’t.”
"I mean, look. I respect people who do what they want to do, but I think our job as a nation is to do everything humanly possible to bring Israel and the Palestinians and the entire Middle East to the degree that we can together, but no, I’m not a supporter of that,” he said.
And
“Sanders also rejected Takruri’s assertion that the two-state solution is almost dead and said he would not embrace a one-state solution.
“I think if that happens, then that would be the end of the State of Israel and I support Israel’s right to exist,” he said. “I think if there is the political will to make it happen and if there is good faith on both sides I do think it’s possible, and I think there has not been good faith, certainly on this Israeli government and I have my doubts about parts of the Palestinian leadership as well.””
So, there you go. He’s not anti-Israel. He’s just opposed to some of what Israel does.
If you think Israel doesn’t care about antisemitism, what would an Israel that does care about antisemitism do, in your view? Surrender to Hamas and cease to exist as Jews get ethnically cleansed elsewhere in the world?
She did work out of the belief that both Jews and Palestinians should work together and live side-by-side. There was no element of the Nazi German government that believed in Jews and Germans working side-by-side. That’s a major difference. Her work means Palestinians are better off than had she not existed. Sarah has no say in any decision to stop aid. As for Yaron, I don’t see any evidence he was even involved in this war. How would defending Israel against attackers during the Intifadas be “genocide?”
Zionism is the belief in Jewish self-determination, it is not “Nazism.” Zionists don’t necessarily agree with anything Israel is doing right now. They just believe that Jewish self-determination has a right to exist. Being Zionist (and opposing Jews being ethnically cleansed) does not make someone “passively supportive of Nazism.” What’s your alternative solution to Jewish safety?
According to 2024 polling, more than twice as many Americans sympathize with the Israeli people than with the Palestinian people. A more recent poll found “that 46 percent of respondents sympathize more with Israelis while 33% sympathize more with Palestinians.” Every reliable source points to Americans being more pro-Israel.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
Wait, are you saying the politicians bought by AIPAC aren’t espousing anti-Zionist rhetoric? Surely that can’t be right. Next you’re going to tell me that politicians funded by the NRA aren’t calling more stringent gun control laws.
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
What’s your point?
bradicality@reddit
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Solarwinds-123@reddit
No, Israel caused those murders. According to Israeli rules of engagement, embassy employees are a perfectly legitimate target.
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
According to Palestinian rules of engagement, babies and the elderly are perfectly legitimate targets. Your point?
Solarwinds-123@reddit
Palestine is not an independent nation-state with its own military rules of engagement. And many Palestinian babies and elderly have been murdered by Israel as revenge already.
It's also not relevant to this issue. The Israeli government sanctions blowing up embassies and killing innocent employees, so it doesn't have any moral high ground when two of its own embassy workers are killed.
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
Why does Palestine have the “right” to do whatever it wants on the battlefield, but Israel have constraints?
Solarwinds-123@reddit
When did I say this?
Again it's Hamas, not Palestine. And there is no battlefield. There is no war anymore, only one side is actually fighting. More Israeli soldiers have been killed by other Israeli soldiers and by car accidents than by Hamas in the last month
pornographic_realism@reddit
I don't want anybody who agrees with the mass slaughter of civilians, especially children, to feel safe in my country.
WolfofTallStreet@reddit
Agreed. Whether those civilians are Palestinian or Israeli.
N0riega_@reddit
It extremely damaging i bet it’s gonna take centuries to right this wrong.
Freud-Network@reddit
And half the people who have been called anti-Semites were pointing out that using it to justify brutality would cheapen something that should be reserved for monsters.
Level_Hour6480@reddit
Gotta make that Simpsons meme.
MrMakarov@reddit
Thats a weird thing to get really happy over.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Why? Israel has killed 10x times more people than Russia.
MrMakarov@reddit
Like in general or since they started their offensive into palestine? Because more Ukrainians have died in the war against Russia if its the 2nd one.
BallisticFiber@reddit
Compare civilians death toll. Russian-Ukranian conflict was stated many times by different ppl to have lowest ratio of civilians to army personell killed in all conflicts from several decades and probably from WW2. You cant just put an equals sign between civilians and combatants
MrMakarov@reddit
When you say "10x more people" I can. Also a death is a death and with Ukraines current conscription I'm betting a lot of their soldiers dont want to be on the front lines.
BallisticFiber@reddit
I agree that every humans life is a sacred thing, but you can not compare deaths of combatants to death of civlians, because when ppl apply to army (not a mobilization thing) they understand they CAN and probably WILL die during war conflict. Why? So that civilian wont have to do it. Basically army is just trained people who are willing to sacrifice greatest and sacred thing they have - their life so that other people of their nation can live. Thats importat to understand difference here. You can not compare this two conflicts and say that one or another side is worse because more people died. It matters who died - army or civilians, for the reasons I explained above
MrMakarov@reddit
I'm not comparing the 2 conflicts, I'm just looking at the numbers because OP was sooo happy israel is more disliked than russia because of deaths. Not civilian deaths or military deaths, just deaths. Thats a weird stance to take and be happy about anyway, but incorrect to say more Palestinians have died.
dummypod@reddit
The context missing here is that Israel has been doing things just as terrible as Russia and yet they were able to hoodwink the rest of the world into thinking they're the good guys while russia gets punished for it (rightfully so). The increase of dislike towards Israel is a sign that the world is no longer fooled and has started to see the truth. That is something worth celebrating.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Even Russia does not approach the level of Israel.
dummypod@reddit
And not with the same glee
BallisticFiber@reddit
Indeed, I think they probably stated just deaths without specific of if it was civlians or combatants mostly because Izzrael never bothered who they kill and it always was mostly civilians (if we are not talking about warfare from the past with arab countries). Its l ike people are getting used to (and that is bad) that Izzrael just casually kills civilians
GHhost25@reddit
Conscription is not willingly applying to army.
BallisticFiber@reddit
Conscription is not a mobilization tho, that is why I stated it directly in the text. Conscription is when u go to army for 1-2 years and then u go back home, its basically an army training course. Mobilization is when ur country is at war and they mobilize all men (who fit some criteria)
GHhost25@reddit
Not specifically the English definition makes no such distinction, it's "the act or process of forcing people by law to join the armed forces". It just happened that conscription mostly happened during peace time, but conscription also happens during war time. Anyway this just a term, you know what I meant. I consider that most Ukrainians would have rather the war didn't happen and didn't have to enlist either voluntarily or compulsory, they are victims alongside the civillians.
BallisticFiber@reddit
Russian ppl who are subject to conscription aren't sent to Ukraine (iirc there were few occasions, but that was fixed fast and Putin had to apologize for this himself). Ukraine has conscription but they also have ongoing mobilization that was announced long time ago and never ended. Those ukranians who r grabbed on the streets by TTC, they are doing this because of mobilization, not conscription
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Ukraine doesn’t really have mobilization. Their reserves were brought into the army long ago.
BallisticFiber@reddit
They voted in mobilization order long time ago and it us still active, there were no demobilization order
giboauja@reddit
Isnt that impossible because the Palestinian Health Ministry won't release combatant death statistics?
I know the war is wrong and Israel is completely in the wrong, but if people are going to play a numbers game, let's not forget the 30k girls Russia has kidnapped for breeding stock.
Nevermind Ukraine has bomb shelters plus a subway to protect during bombings. Also they were actually allowed to leave the country unlike Gazans who are prevented from even leaving to Egypt for the duration of whatever bs Israel is doing.
Multiple Ukrainian cities are basically gone now.
None of this matters though, the numbers dont matter, what matters is these conflicts end. Even hating the country doesn't matter. These sort of state actions are as old as humanities build large communities.
Israel and Russia are hardly unique and if we had a sane world we would universally collaborate on effective solutions to encourage change in their leadership or governance.
Hate is ultimately a counterproductive metric to solve most if any problems. But I suppose when everything feels so hopeless it's easy to latch on to.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
30,000 girls?
Russia moved orphans out of a war zone. So you know, children can’t be bombed. Is that what you mean?
And is it still kidnapping if the kidnapper lets the children return to Ukraine if a family member claims them?
In the most recent talks between the two countries, Ukraine finally produced a list of like 300 children they want returned.
And Russia said they would return them just as they allowed others to return.
But you can’t say that because it contradicts the mainstream narrative.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Yeah but no one views war that way.
No one has every viewed war that way.
We have the classification of civilian specifically to distinguish people from those in military.
Plethorum@reddit
Weird thing to brag about when all of them could have been avoided if they hadnt invaded in the first place
BendicantMias@reddit
They gave you the opportunity to prevent that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2021_Russian_ultimatum_to_NATO In fact they've been doing so for the past 30 years...
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
‘Give us exactly what we want or we’ll invade,’ is not ‘an opportunity to prevent an invasion.’
Chamberlain tried that and despite being a relatively fine PM for most of his career, has been tarnished by his association with appeasement for almost a century since.
BendicantMias@reddit
So you admit what they want isn't land then. After all they didn't ask for the regions they're now claiming, in that offer - they'd have preferred NATO back off instead. Only after NATO said no did they invade. Hell even Crimea follows that pattern - they had little issue with Ukraine as a whole until the 2013 Euromaidan set them on a path that Russia has seen since the 90s. Finland stayed neutral for over half a century, and was never invaded. After joining NATO it got a new theater command pointed right at it - in over half a century of neutrality they hadn't even done that! Ukraine stayed neutral until 2013 and wasn't invaded - come Euromaidan and within weeks they'd lost Crimea.
Russia's demands in that proposal aren't new - they've been asking the same of NATO since the 90s. The Americans even gave a pinky promise to respect, but in typical lawyer fashion didn't put it down in writing - then proceeded to ignore their requests for over 3 decades. Especially with the entry of the Baltic states - over their strenuous objections - they saw that diplomacy was fruitless with the west. Yet in 2021 they still tried it, one last time. And you said no again, believing they'd just slink back meekly like they have for 30 years. Evidently they were done doing that.
Your WW2 metaphors are tired old hat. You people are really too enamored by that tragedy (what it really was) turned dumb Disney-ified Aesop's Fable that it's used for nowadays. Finland and even Ukraine before Euromaidan show that you had a real opportunity to save Ukraine not just all the lives its lost, but even the lands it's lost. You chose to reject it.
Plethorum@reddit
So Russia will return the land they stole back to Ukraine after the war then?
BendicantMias@reddit
Why don't you try making that offer? They did, now it's your turn. Offer to formally pull NATO out of all the places it has expanded to, as they asked you to in 2021, and in return they give Ukraine back the lands they've taken since. It's basically their offer from 2021, except now coming from your side. Their terms are there for you on that page, you just need to offer to agree to them now. I dunno if they'll accept now, but you have yet to even offer it. So make the offer and we'll see. Until then, you had a chance - and didn't take it.
Plethorum@reddit
The countries are free to leave NATO. The reason they choose to remain is that they fear Russian aggression.
By the way, you seem to mistake countries voluntarily joining alliances with countries being forced to submit to a violent aggressor through annexation.
BendicantMias@reddit
Hah! I knew you wouldn't be ready to make that offer. So much for caring about Ukraine. And yet you expect them to back down? Yeah right. None of this 'countries are free to leave' bs, NATO pulls back. That means they're evicted - they were never supposed to be allowed to join after all. That's what they've been asking for 30 years now.
And there is no mistake. Your side refused to countenance 'voluntary invitation' as a defense when they stationed forces in Cuba. Cuba has been punished ever since for daring to do that, even after WW3 was averted by THEM agreeing to back away. Even your more minor players don't allow it even today - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-24/scott-morrison-china-naval-base-solomon-islands-red-line/101011710
They asked for the same thing you take for granted. Rules for others but never for you. You won't allow your enemies close, but everyone else has to tolerate it? You just exposed yourself as a hypocrite yet again.
If you truly care about Ukraine, as you pretend, then make the offer. Else you're a hypocrite.
Plethorum@reddit
Are you rηrded? I am not a leader of any country, not am I even from Ukraine. I am in position to offer anything on behalf of others. Do you even understand the concept of sovereignty?
And it is always so predictable when authoritarian-simps try to use whataboutism to try to distract from the fact that they are losing an argument
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
It isn’t “freedom of choice” and “sovereignty” if someone is compelled and forced to make a decision.
There was never any support for Ukraine to join NATO.
Ukraine founded itself on the principle of neutrality. It was in their Declaration of Independence. It was in their constitution.
NATO membership was only supported by a fringe, Neo-Nazi clique.
Plethorum@reddit
NATO membership was indeed not popular up until russia supported separatists and illegally annexed crimea in 2014. Then they saw that a defensive alliance was necessary to protect themselves from futther russian aggression
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Even after that, NATO was not popular.
NATO only became popular after this war
Plethorum@reddit
The amount of people "for" NATO outnumbered "against" at all points since june 2014 source
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Having a plurality in an opinion poll isn’t the same as actual support.
Plethorum@reddit
No, but it is an indicator. The best thing would have been a referendum, but Russia would probably intervene
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
You want to have a referendum on NATO?
That would never, ever, EVER happen.
Because as soon as you had that referendum, it will spark others to do the same. And NATO is not as popular as people think.
I know its shocking that people feel that it is not normal to have foreign troops stationed permanently in your country.
BendicantMias@reddit
Do you understand the concept of sovereignty lol? You certainly don't care about it when it doesn't suit you. Those were just two examples, there are many many more. Here -
You already lost the argument bub. You showed yourself (or if you really want to be anal about it, your countries) as a hypocrite. 'Whataboutism' is your perenial attempt to avoid owning up to that hypocrisy when it's pointed out.
We in the rest of the world aren't buying that excuse. You don't like being called out as a hypocrite? Then you shouldn't have been a hypocrite.
Plethorum@reddit
Who says I dont support the sovereignty of those countries? "The west" isnt some sort of monolithic cabal where everyone agrees when our governments do something bad. It might be easier to fight such strawmen, but it doesnt help you win the argument.
And on the topic of hypocrites, by engaging in whataboutism in order to deflect valid criticism against your regime you are in fact proving ypurself to be a hypocrite yourself. The fact that western countries have done bad things is not an excuse for russia to do the same
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Russia did offer that actually.
In exact for Ukrainian neutrality they offered to return all land.
Ukraine rejected that deal.
After that rejection, Russia incorporated the occupied areas officially into Russia.
Plethorum@reddit
They annexed the land because they want more lebensraum.
Neutrality in what? As a sovereign country they are free to seek to ally with whomever they want
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
No. That is incorrect.
Russia did not annex that land.
They offered to return all land back to Ukraine in exchange for neutrality.
Ukraine rejected that deal.
After that, Russia said “fine, your loss” and they annexed the land.
Russia is the largest country on the planet it isn’t trying to gobble up more land.
It isn’t like Germany, where it is crammed into Central Europe and its borders have been cut off.
Plethorum@reddit
Cool motive still illegal annexation
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Chamberlain did what the people wanted him to do.
The Munich Agreement was wildly popular for a very simple reason.
The horrors of WW1 still haunted the UK. Every single family lost a family member in that war.
Hundreds of thousands dead. An entire generation scarred, broken and lost.
So if you want to bring about the same horrors, you need a very very very good reason.
Fighting for “democracy in Czechoslovakia” was not a good enough reason.
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
Oh I completely agree that Chamberlain has been (largely unfairly) maligned for his role in appeasement (see me calling him a ‘mostly fine,’ PM.
He was elected because he had a solid domestic policy and was unwittingly thrown into the position of preparing for an irrational international actor.
Ghostofcoolidge@reddit
Bombing a man in his house is bad but forcing him to go to the front lines against his own will is perfectly A-OK!
BallisticFiber@reddit
I never said that any of this was perfectly ok or even compared them, you just made up some nonsense argument to insult somebody over internet, sir
Ghostofcoolidge@reddit
You literally, and I mean LITERALLY, just said
Which is what I'm mocking. Yes I can put an equal sign between civilians and combatants because it is absolutely moronic to NOT do that when they're conscripted.
Mango2149@reddit
I don’t know how much of it is bullshit but there are estimates and Ukraine says 25,000+ civilians were killed in Mariupol alone and that’s just one siege from 2022. The fog of war is greater there. Although you’re right about the hypocrisy.
BendicantMias@reddit
Civilian casualties since 24 February 2022 - 13,134 killed. That's from ALL of Ukraine...
Mango2149@reddit
Open the Mariupol article on Wikipedia. The UN says they can confirm 1k deaths or something but that the real number is likely far more. Ukraine itself says 25,000+ died. Again I don't know what's bullshit or not but there are no confirmed numbers.
Also even Russia claims more civilian deaths than the UN stated.
Bahamutisa@reddit
That's very true, but any argument that the death toll is underreported applies just as much if not more so to Gaza.
partnerinthecrime@reddit
One is a Western democracy, the other is a totalitarian dictatorship that has a long history of fabricating death tolls.
Mango2149@reddit
I wouldn’t say if not more since Gaza is one small region with more eyes on it but yes it applies to both.
Destroyer902@reddit
More eyes on it but not in it. Journalists are constantly being murdered in Gaza. More journalists killed in Gaza than any other war in modern history.
Mango2149@reddit
Journalists are blocked in both while Ukraine/Russia is covering a larger area so logically seems like the fog would be greater.
If Ukraine is just doing propaganda to make Russia seem worse I will apologize to Russia but I won't be that cynical.
Max_FI@reddit
10400 in Ukrainian controlled territories and 2700 in Russian controlled territories. The death toll in Russian controlled areas is likely much higher than that since the amount of deaths in areas such as Mariupol can't be confirmed.
kapsama@reddit
If you want to speculate about numbers then the Gazan death toll is easily twice as high as the quoted numbers. But it can't be verified because people mysteriously die when they go to Gaza.
Max_FI@reddit
I agree, the death toll in Gaza is probably also higher than reported.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
It’s probably not that much higher.
The biggest reason there are such lower civilian casualties in the Ukraine war is that most of the fighting is occurring in areas where there are few civilians.
Millions of Ukrainians left the South and East between 2014-2022 to avoid the war there.
Destroyer902@reddit
Even the UN says gazas current death toll could be as low as half of the actual number.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
25,000 is more than the entire amount of civilians lost in that war.
Plethorum@reddit
Russia is rightfully treates as a pariah. Anyone that tried to deny, excuse or distract from their atrocities and unjust illegal invasion of Ukraine is not worth taking seriously
kapsama@reddit
Really you read that as a defense of Russia?
Plethorum@reddit
His comment could be interpreted in two ways 1) israel should get more criticism 2) russia gets more criticism than they deserve
The 2nd interpretation is wrong and aligns with russian propaganda
kapsama@reddit
Seeing how this topic is about Israel and not Russia we can be 99% sure that they're shooting for #1
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
The two are compared though.
Everyone uses comparison to understand the world and make sense of events.
The worst thing to happen to Ukraine was the Gaza War breaking out.
That took away a lot of the anger and disgust towards Russia because those same countries try to justify Israel’s actions.
kapsama@reddit
And your last paragraph is precisely what OP is saying too. Israel is defended while Russia is admonished. Makes Western governments lose credibility.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
But no one wants to admit.
I feel like everyone knows that their hypocrisy is a huge problem. But they just refuse to acknowledge it.
PhoenixKingMalekith@reddit
Russia has killed way more if you count soldiers, and we don't really have a death toll for Mariupol, but it may be similar to Gaza.
BendicantMias@reddit
Nope. Civilian casualties since 24 February 2022 - 13,134 killed. That's from ALL of Ukraine...
PhoenixKingMalekith@reddit
We don't have any confirmed numbers for Russian controlled areas.
The siege of Mariupol alone may be in tens of thousand by itself
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
We do have Russian confirmed numbers. We just don’t use them because it goes against our narrative.
Same thing with Gaza. We have those numbers (and could get more accurate numbers) but we choose not to use them because it goes against our narrative.
kapsama@reddit
We don't have a full accounting of the Gazan death toll either. The actual number could be several timee higher.
redelastic@reddit
The actual numbers in Gaza will be far, far higher.
As per The Economist:
https://archive.ph/2kRkF#selection-1133.57-1133.337
rogersdbt@reddit
It's 45,001 from your own source
CwazyCanuck@reddit
To be fair, Russia is treated better than it should be. And Israel is treated way way better than it should be.
ExtrinsicPalpitation@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Total_casualties
There's way more deaths as a result of the war in Ukraine, it's not even close.
FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit
Not of civilians, though. 13000 confirmed civilian deaths in Ukraine, 600 in Russia. More than 25 thousand women and children killed in Gaza.
BendicantMias@reddit
Not of civilians. Civilian casualties since 24 February 2022 - 13,134 killed. That's from ALL of Ukraine...
SkibidiCum31@reddit
Are we not counting all those soldiers -from both sides too- that would still be alive and well had the Russia not invaded Ukraine?
meister2983@reddit
Why do folks care so much about how much the country they see as an aggressor is hated vs how much the country they support is liked?
Support for Palestine is climbing, but at least in America remains quite low. Slightly older data since this question is rarely asked. Lowlight: the sum of the net favorability of all plausible Palestinian governments is 31% (vs a minimum 68% unfavorability)
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
You can’t trust public opinions polls.
Especially in wartime.
Zelenskyy and his government are not well liked. He was deeply unpopular before the war.
And he has over time become really disliked.
But Zelenskyy has put in a lot of effort to make himself appear popular with foreign countries.
You can debate whether or not Ukrainians support the war or want peace.
But every Ukrainian hates the TCC and kidnapping dudes off the street and throwing them into vans.
meister2983@reddit
For other countries? Why not?
That's all I'm talking about.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Because you are under martial law. So there is no free speech.
meister2983@reddit
Domestically, yes. Go back to my posts and note that is not what I'm talking about
kero12547@reddit
Are you happy about the innocent people killed by the Palestinians too?
ParagonRenegade@reddit
Seriously though I hope it continues to go lower, maybe something will finally be done
suitorarmorfan@reddit
For once, Turkey is based
turqua@reddit
As a Turk: yes we Turks, Kurds, Arabs etc have problems amongst each other. But even for Middle Eastern standards what is happening in Gaza is barbaric.
nowhere_man11@reddit
What is up with Nigeria, Kenya and the US being the only nations loving Isra? Makes no sense
partnerinthecrime@reddit
Outside of Europe and the Middle East, which has discriminated against Jews for millennia, antisemetic views are naturally less common.
nowhere_man11@reddit
You assume though that negative views are driven by antisemitism rather than disgust at the atrocities
partnerinthecrime@reddit
Even if that were true, it’s apparent from the fact that they do not feel equal disgust at all atrocities that their hatred is driven by millennia of ingrained antisemitism.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Most Americans hate israel, but there are a lot of evangelicals and Jewd who are very supportive of Israsl.
Nigeria is the same reason why most Indians also don't view Israel negatively. A lot of people there just hate Muslims.
giboauja@reddit
Your really deep in your information bubbles arnt you. Also most jews (in the US) dont like Israel, they just support it's right to exist.
Israel "defending" their right to exist is why they've become so militant and radical. They're a product of their environment.
As guilty and innocent as every other warmonger in the region.
Note: I'm not a supporter of Israel, but I have no reason to think it's illegitimate. That's been settled in the way most states have settled the question.
BendicantMias@reddit
No. A quarter of India is Muslim and half of Nigeria is Muslim lol. The reason is more likely cos of them also having to deal with militancy, just as Israel does.
nowhere_man11@reddit
Ok but Nigeria is a Muslim country
historicusXIII@reddit
It's roughly 50-50 Muslim-Christian.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
40% Christians
10% traditional religioions
historicusXIII@reddit
Didn't know there were still so many people adgering to traditional faiths. Oh well, 50-50 Muslim-non Muslim then.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
It's around 50% Muslim
BendicantMias@reddit
I assume its cos of militancy being a concern in Nigeria and Kenya too, just as it is for India that's also warmer than the average towards Israel. The US ofc is more about domestic politics than actual threat.
ranbirkadalla@reddit
Indians love Israel because we're actually suffering from terrorism. It is easy to sit in safety 1000 kms away and criticize others. It is completely another thing to actually tackle terrorism. Israel's philosophy of disproportionate response has resonated with a billion plus Indians who are fed up with having to restrain themselves
HaxboyYT@reddit
I doubt Nigeria is accurate as a Nigerian
Elman89@reddit
Lol even Germany, USA and Hungary.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
Both right-wingers and left-wingers hate Israel.
apistograma@reddit
Depends on which right wingers. I know some moderate right wingers that acknowledge Israel as what it is, a Jewish supremacist genocidal state. Those are the rightwingers that I tolerate as a leftist. If every conservative was half principled like them the world would be a much better place. Then there are the ones that oppose Israel for the wrong reasons, that is, they are legit antisemitic. Those fucking idiots just give ammo to Israel because they can point them out, they love that. And then there's the run of the mill ghoul that either is pretending nothing happening or fully endorses Israel. Those go from liberal to far right.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)
From experience, it's the opposite.
Center righters tend to be very pro-Israel while far-right populist tend to be very anti-Israsl.
happycow24@reddit
Here's a quick guide, proven by research
apistograma@reddit
Center right are probably the most pro Israeli group in some countries, but it's not always the same. In Spain the only party who has openly supported Israel is the far right. In France Netanyahu wanted Le Pen in charge so I assume she's pretty pro Israel. It's funny because the Spanish far right was openly antisemitic decades ago, and so was the French far right. Zionists make weird friends.
Oshtoru@reddit
Generally, moderate right wingers like Ben Shapiro are the pro-Israel types. The far-right is more likely to dislike Israel.
apistograma@reddit
There's no way Shapiro is moderate right. He's plain far right. Some far righters like Candace Owens are anti Israel, but also antisemitic.
Aenjeprekemaluci@reddit
This war has permanently wrecked Israels image that even steadfest allies look differently at it
mrenglish22@reddit
Yea but did they wreck it harder than we in America did?
Finn_3000@reddit
I think it’s the first time a lot of people have paid any attention at all to Israel. Im German and have personally opposed Israel for a long time, but the vast majority of Germans knew absolutely nothing about the country before 2023, and even now, they barely know anything, since there isn’t a lot of reporting about what’s happening (i don’t think anyone I know heard anything about the 15 executed paramedics). But the little reporting that does happen about the starvation and war is impactful enough for people that have a negative opinion.
apistograma@reddit
That was me before Oct 7. I never thought much about the country, it sounded like a shitty place but nothing out of the ordinary for the middle east. Then I started reading more and looking at how the invasion of Gaza unfolded and my opinion went from "this is the Jewish version of Iran" to "this is one of the most despicable regimes in modern history". Truly a blindfolds out moment.
I don't know where I heard that if you think Israel is bad, you don't know half of it yet. And it's true. The amount of times where my opinion of them have reached a new low is staggering.
Destroyer902@reddit
I used to be an Israel supporter. This genocide has completely soured me on even the idea of an Israeli state. It's probably one of the current worst countries in the world, up there with Sudan or Myanmar.
redditing_away@reddit
A majority of Germans of all people not knowing anything about Israel? Brother are you for real? Israel has been in the public's attention for a long time, repeatedly refreshed through several remembrance days, the current war, extensive reporting about Holocaust survivors (such as Margot Friedländer) and the whole "Staatsräson" thing.
Most people know, but they frankly don't care much about yet another war in the Middle East. That negative opinion right now is justified but most likely also won't stick around for long should Israel finally rid itself of Netanjahu and end the war. After all, Arabs don't have the best image here and the Pro-Palestine protests regularly escalating also doesn't help them with that.
Finn_3000@reddit
This is exactly what I mean, Germans being completely oblivious to israels history, it’s cultural zeitgeist and it’s extremist, widespread founding principles.
You alluding that this war is somehow the doing on Netanyahu alone, as if it hasn’t been something that’s been brewing for decades, with Israel only waiting for a pretense to further expand its territory, is exactly the type of ignorance I mean.
redditing_away@reddit
Not really, since viewing it negatively is certainly your prerogative but not something that is shared among many. Israel being established by the UN and getting invaded immediately for example is something I'm pretty sure most people do know. That it's been in conflict with most of its neighbors is just something people got used to over the years and decades.
That would mean that the Israelis are a single hive mind which isn't the case as it is with the Palestinians, isn't it?
Israel also wouldn't need any pretence given its own military strength and with the backing of the US, would it? Not to mention that there would have been plenty of opportunities in times past if expanding was their secret plan all along.
Both sides in this seemingly eternal conflict suck and most people in other countries mentally checking out also isn't that surprising. Most simply do not care.
Finn_3000@reddit
Your first point, I.e. the framing that Israel was attacked without reason, no is simply wrong and ahistorical. A good place to start educating yourself would be The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited by Benny Morris, Israel’s most well known historian.
This is exactly what I mean by the way.
redditing_away@reddit
Not really, since the tensions and threats had been there well before Israel got established.
I will have a look but the displacement was a separate instance apart from the invasion. It happened in parallel and wasn't the casus belli.
Also your "most well known Israeli historian" seems to have slightly changed his opinion.
Finn_3000@reddit
False.
redditing_away@reddit
It was a contributing factor, but not the singular casus belli. Those tensions with both sides attacking each other had persisted for months at that point. Israel declaring independence and seeing the partition plan by the UN taking shape was the thing that compelled them to action, hence declaring war mere hours after it.
modianoyyo@reddit
This is what people mean when they say being completely oblivious to the conflict. "Both sides bad" is how people cope with the fact that they cannot longer say that they support Israel without denouncing that European settler-colonial project for what it is. Sorry.
redditing_away@reddit
No, they just don't buy into the whole "European settler-colonial project" narrative which is far so simplified to be given any credentials. Usually that narrative is only found in either the far left or some immigrant groups, both of which are usually on the far fringes of public opinion. Both sides are bad, there's nothing ambiguous about it.
modianoyyo@reddit
Because "both sides bad" isn't the simplified, infantile view of a conflict in which more than 15000 children have been murdered.
You're on the wrong side of history, even with your very tepid and German-like fence-sitting take.
redditing_away@reddit
It's not fence-sitting, it's not subscribing to an oversimplified black & white view, when the reality is many shades of gray. There are no good guys in that conflict, neither in the current one nor in many during the last 70 years.
modianoyyo@reddit
I would say all the innocent children and women and men who have been bombed, burned and beheaded by Israelis are good.
To think that innocent children like Hind Rajab and thousands of others are not good makes it easier to have such a infantile and simply disgusting perspective about the conflict.
redditing_away@reddit
If you wanna break down a political and multifaceted conflict solely down to some emotionally charged level, sure. That's fine if you wanna garner some upvotes in your corner, but does nothing for a valid discussion.
You lament dead Palestinians, the other side does the same for the dead and captured Israelis and you both devolve into some emotional one-upping game where the only thing coming out of it is increased hostility and repulsion.
It's infantile to paint something as complex as this decades-old conflict as simply black and white. The individual may be good, but the collective isn't.
modianoyyo@reddit
lol you think you're some sort of doctor manhattan viewing human conflict through some objective lens.
what i see is someone jumping through hoops to not say that israel is a european settler-colonial project that has beheaded children by dropping bombs. that's fact, not an emotional response.
i don't expect much from germans who make it a national past time to be on the wrong side of history. i don't care about the upvotes or whatever. i don't have to do much work to make you look completely irrational, so thanks for the help.
redditing_away@reddit
Nah man, I just don't think circle-jerking online and infantilizing a complex topic down to a black&white view is a worthwhile endeavor.
Well because it simply isn't. Repeating a wrong statement might get you some upvotes from the usual crowd, but most people in real life either don't care or roll their eyes. A lot of people including babies have died through bombardment, yes. Tragic and a fact, but what's the point? No one's disputing it anyway. It's unfortunately one aspect of the wider conflict.
Not really but given our history it should be understandable why we're not really the sort to let emotion or anger let us jump to conclusions. Only arguing emotionally ("does no one think of the children?!") is the hallmark of being irrational, not trying to see both sides and why we're where we are.
Whether you like it or not, if you want the conflict to end you need to take Israel's perspective into account anyway. There will be no peace with only one side at the table. Regardless of whether I'm German, Moroccan, Japanese, Martian or whatever else.
modianoyyo@reddit
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Elman89@reddit
There's a difference between knowing the propaganda take and knowing that is an Apartheid state.
yeltsin98@reddit
For me the turning point in German opinion was when Tilo Jung began asking politicians hard-hitting questions about Israel and citing facts and reports like that of Amnesty International and the ICC; I was shocked to see what looked like 99% of the comments on his Instagram posts relating to the topic (my mental health is too fragile to allow me to read YouTube comments) supported him, which is to say were critical of Israel, and my impression is that Tilo Jung is watched and/or commented on by young people across the political spectrum, so his detractors included.
If I’m wrong though please do correct me.
Aenjeprekemaluci@reddit
Jung is very popular.
suitorarmorfan@reddit
For once, Turkey is absolutely based
PhoneRedit@reddit
Would have been interesting to see Ireland - reckon we could have gave Turkey a run for their money!
NoHetro@reddit
Hm i wonder what's the common denominator between Turkey and Indonesia..
SirLadthe1st@reddit
You might start asking yourself, if the public opinion of Netanyahu and Israel is so bad, how on earth did they win the eurovision song contest when it comes to public vote. Pretty weird huh.
ValeteAria@reddit
It's because the euro public votes are a scam. You can basically vote 20 times with each phone number. Very little in actual verification.
All you need is enough money and people in those countries willing to vote.
On top of the fact that a protest vote would mean not voting which only skews voting in favour of Israel.
Anyone who non-ironically uses Eurovision as a bench mark is ridiculous. The Netherlands gave most their points to Israel, but also held their largest protest in the last 20+ years for Palestine.
So something doesnt add up.
ruscaire@reddit
Netherlands is strange. Authoritarian establishment but a very socially oriented at street level.
Ok-Code6623@reddit
They should smoke some weed and chill out or something
apistograma@reddit
European countries can be like that. Austria has a regulated real state market that was created by socialists before WW2. To this day it's very controlled by a mix of government institutions and renter cooperatives. On the other hand the far right is very popular (and very racist)
apistograma@reddit
You can vote 100 times with 5 credit cards if you wish so.
My country Spain gave 12 points to Israel. This is a complete joke because Zionism is radioactive here, not even conservatives tend to give support to Israel and mostly choose to pretend they're blind to the conflict.
It was so blatant that our public broadcast corporation demanded an audit, since Eurovision doesn't provide the full numbers.
DirectFrontier@reddit
I remember reading Spain cancelled some weapon deal with Israel just a while ago.
azrieldr@reddit
only people with enough motivation voted for that kind of contest. they just need to tell enough motivated zionists to vote.
BendicantMias@reddit
Why is Israel even IN Eurovision anyway? Like never mind any moral qualms, rather what the hell is the EURO part of the name for? Ditto for Australia or any other non-European country. If you want to do that, then just ditch the name and use a new one. Which they won't do cos it would hurt its brand value or something I guess, consistency and coherence be damned. Or is that contest just supposed to be the 'western civilization' club? But shies away from calling itself that cos it doesn't want to associate itself with the right, but still acts like it in practice.
Molested-Cholo-5305@reddit
All public broadcasters that are members of the european broadcasting union or partners with the organization can participate in Eurovision. Egypt could participate if they wanted to.
redelastic@reddit
Rigged. Very easy to rig such a public vote. They did the same last year. Good propaganda opportunity for them to launder their bloodthirsty image.
gaymerWizard@reddit
most pro-Israel, natural people dont boycott the Eurovision, Pro israel all need to vote for Israel, while these who dislike Israel needs to split it to a lot of countries. And the Boycott of anti Israel helps too.
totallynotapsycho42@reddit
If you hate Israel there are 29 other countries to vote for. If you love Israel there is only one.
Neurotic_Good42@reddit
If you hate Israel you simply don't vote at all
Neurotic_Good42@reddit
Because people who have enough of a negative opinion of Israel aren't gonna spend money on Eurovision televotes
SunderedValley@reddit
Cease noticing at once!
ruscaire@reddit
Manipulating the vote. It’s not hard. It only costs loads of money and they have loads of that thanks to their American allies bravely forgoing healthcare. It’s all money for the EBU so it’s not in their interest to stop it.
DarkCrawler_901@reddit
It's why Israel's propaganda effort is so massive. They know U.S. is the only thing standing between them and the fate of apartheid South Africa, the rest of the world loathes the colonialist apartheid state or doesn't give a fuck.
meister2983@reddit
They are mostly supported in India as well (1.3 billion people) plus some African countries.
LividAd9642@reddit
Zero impact.
DarkCrawler_901@reddit
34% (India) is not mostly supported. With a muslim majority Nigeria isn't going to do anything and Kenya is not really any help either. Those are the only countries with a net positive.
meister2983@reddit
It's net favorability that matters. India is +5
DarkCrawler_901@reddit
Again, not "mostly supported".
meister2983@reddit
Are you just trying to see things through rose tinted lens? People with no opinion don't shape policy
DarkCrawler_901@reddit
If it is not mostly supported, said policy rests on an uncertain ground. Plus India has no capacity to act as any sort of replacement to U.S. on monetary support alone.
meister2983@reddit
Again, rose tinted glasses view.
No, but it's enough for Israel to not be cut off from the world. TRNC can last just from Turkish support. India alone has triple the gdp.
DarkCrawler_901@reddit
Israel's economy, culture, middle class and self-image is highly tied to its relationships with the Western nations. India accounts for 3.67% of Israel's total exports and 2.66% of its total imports.
jonassalen@reddit
Well, that happens when your politicians in charge are breaking international law, disobeying human rights, and actively invest in a genocide.
I wished those people also pushed their own leaders to take action. Protest on the street, boycot Israeli products, picket companies that invest in Israël,...
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
What’s amazing is that those leaders don’t really get anything from Israel.
They are giving up their reputation and international standing to support a state of ~ 7 million people.
That is like China throwing away its reputation and becoming hated by the world to support Sweden.
ReadySetPunish@reddit
It makes you start to wonder if perhaps the conspiracy theories weren’t just theories and there indeed exists a deep state, or more easily explainable, if the politicians have personal gains from supporting Israel.
jonassalen@reddit
There's a historical reason that most western countries support Israel. But that support needs boundaries. Fortunately, even Germany understood that those boundaries have been crossed.
OutblastEUW@reddit
people in Israel have been protesting for years now, its just netanyahu has a fanatic group of followers and the way israeli voting system works lets him get elected even without having a majority by teaming up with the ultra religious and settlers
SurfiNinja101@reddit
Unfortunately most polling out of Israel has the majority of Israelis in favour with what the IDF has been doing in Gaza. Netanyahu might not be as popular but the government’s actions regarding Gaza are
OutblastEUW@reddit
thats true although I would argue many would be fine ending the war ages ago as long as the hostages would be returned
ruscaire@reddit
Especially when they’re riding high in their satisfaction polls
PhoenixKingMalekith@reddit
You know when the Houthi talk of "A curse upon the Jews" ?
I m pretty sure Bibi and his party are that curse.
It s a cancer destroying israeli society and a plague upon any arab in the region.
Don't forget: never vote far right, or it s gonna stay like crabs, through propaganda, system abuse and self made crisis.
darijabs@reddit
No they’re literally talking about all Jews and they are very clear about it. Weird to defend the Houthis, who were an active participant in a war which killed 500k. Houthis have killed more Muslims than Bibi has
PhoenixKingMalekith@reddit
Oh, I m not defending those slavers, I m just making a joke on how that curse materialised
Metum_Chaos@reddit
The far right is a plague on any society.
The chickens took a long time, but they’ve finally come home to roost for Israel
darijabs@reddit
All the opposition in the Middle East is far right - Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah
PhoenixKingMalekith@reddit
All of those you cited are plagues upon muslims
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Can the Houthis do that though?
Can they do what your describe to the Jews?
darijabs@reddit
Can the Houthis do what?
UnskilledScout@reddit
The Houthis weren't the ones who killed 500k. That was mainly the Gulf countries, in particular KSA who held a blockade on Yemen literally starving people.
darijabs@reddit
Mainly the gulf countries? As an Iranian, look at who’s involved in every mass causality event in the Middle East. Assad, Houthis, Hamas. Do you know what prompted KSA to put a blockade on Yemen? What do you think they did it just to mean or were they being fired upon?
UnskilledScout@reddit
You know many children were starved by Saudi Arabia's blockade?
darijabs@reddit
Can you tell me how many were killed by Hezbollah and Assad in Syria? Can you tell me why Saudi Arabia imposed a blockade?
ShadeOfUnderstanding@reddit
Look how unpopular they are in Europe, but remember they came 2nd place in euro vision!!!
Hasbara and their media manipulation is more obvious than ever, the funny thing is they are not quiet about the genocide which makes them even more abhorrent and hated to the rest of the world the more they defend themselves.
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
Yeah it couldn’t possibly be that Eurovision is easily gamed or that ‘Israel vs Not-Israel’ means that protest votes against Israel gets lost in the noise of voting, it must be a Hasbara conspiracy to manipulate the media in order to use Eurovision as a… Shield against criticism?
Hang on, what the fuck is even the end goal here?
rattleandhum@reddit
Have you not heard about soft power?
How often do Kpop fans talk about Chaebol? Or otukus talk about Japanese racism and xenophobia? America and Britain know the value of soft, cultural power -- literal CIA propaganda makes its way into hollywood blockbusters, the Pentagon has it's own media office for that purpose.
It's whitewashing, and the point.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Except Israeli popularity is manufactured.
It’s pretty obvious.
K-pop groups don’t sing songs about starving the North Koreans.
rattleandhum@reddit
Oh, agreed... But even if they know that half of us are aware, the other half thinking Israel is popular is all that matters.
ctant1221@reddit
Actually yeah, it was basically used as a domestic cudgel to prove that Israel is western-coded and a popular state abroad. Not all media manipulation is specifically for your consumption.
SsooooOriginal@reddit
This has to stop, from wikipedia,
"Currently, Israel receives $3 billion annually in U.S. assistance through Foreign Military Financing (FMF).[190] Seventy-four percent of these funds must be spent on the acquisition of U.S. defense equipment, services, and training.[191] Thus, "United States military aid to Israel is seen by many as a subsidy for U.S. industries", according to Kenneth M. Pollack.[192]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations#United_States_aid
ampersand355@reddit
Yes, one of the reasons is they gave full production rights of the proprietary Iron Dome system to Raytheon and USMDA. In this way, the US gets the missile defense system, props up the defense industry manufacturing, and sells the equipment back to Israel.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
You could have those subsidies and also not give them to Israel.
TheMaskedTom@reddit
The US would have to defeat it's weapons industry lobby first.
According to OpenSecrets, the Defense industry spent just short of 150m in lobbying in 2024. The Pro-Israel lobby (you can find them in Single Issue) is just short of 5m, or 1/30th of that (then again, in the summaries for each group you can find that the Pro-Israel lobby spent 60m for Congressional Elections vs 30m for Defense, so it's more like 3 times as much for the Defense lobby in total).
zackweinberg@reddit
So what? If any of those countries were going to bail out the Palestinians, they would have done so by now. Various world leaders bitch about Israel but continue to trade with it and rely on its tech. Last year was the most profitable year for the Israeli defense industry in its history.
redelastic@reddit
It's so bizarre how despite all this evidence that they are globally disliked for their campaign of starvation and extermination against the Palestinian people (disproportionately killing children), they still cling to the idea it is all an antisemitic conspiracy theory.
Imagine how deluded and indoctrinated you have to be to deny all evidence of what your state is doing and think people somehow don't like you for your religion/ethnicity.
I almost feel sorry for them, were it not for the fact they defend and deny such evil acts.
RiverToTheSea2025@reddit
You love to see it.
burneranahata@reddit
So what's up with Kenya and Nigeria?
ruscaire@reddit
They clearly aren’t hasbara-ing hard enough.
Time to fill another office full of glorious trolls to astroturf antisemitism claims.
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