How do you afford a sailboat?
Posted by Pirateprincess111@reddit | sailing | View on Reddit | 348 comments
Its so incredibly expensive, how does one buy a sailboat? Is everybody that owns one incredibly rich? Or do people take loans to pay it off for the rest of their lives? What if I only want to keep it for like 2 years? Plus the all cost of repairs and maintenance? I am genuinely wondering how people do it as I have no idea about this world.
Stock_Captain_5888@reddit
In conclusion: buy a boat you need. Not the one you want.
StatisticalMan@reddit
1) Buy an older boat.
2) Buy a smaller boat.
3) Do as much of the work yourself.
4) (This one may piss someone off) Never take out loans for toys and that includes boats unless it is a work boat. If you can't afford it you can't afford it.
Don't buy a boat if you only plan to keep it 2 years. It would be cheaper to grab a pile of hundred dollar bills and lite them on fire.
Stock_Captain_5888@reddit
I bought a 1984 Cape Dory 25’ for 6.5k. I replaced the ancient two stroke with a 10hp four stroke, dropped in a Simrad and a tiller auto pilot. About 3k for all improvements. She’s not a boat for more than a few nights, but you could. I still have her, but I upgraded to a 1984 34’ Sea Sprite. Luder design. A Classic. Re did the bright work, polished the hull, added a Raymarine chart plotter. I got a little plucky in some heavy weather and the sails were original, so I ended up blowing them out. Almost done with restoration. Again all bright work down to bare wood and re varnished. Hitting the non skid paint while under way this summer. She cost 22k, which I honestly think was too much. She sails well to windward, handles heavy weather like a champ, and I’ve learned to reef early!! Mooring fees and hauling out are about 3k a season in Rhode Island. The experiences, sails to New England islands, sunsets, rain, inevitable failures… Priceless. You don’t need to chuck 750k at a Hanse 460 to live like a boss on the water.
Pirateprincess111@reddit (OP)
Amazing tips, very useful! Good to know better not to loan, gotta learn more about all this, just trying to cut down spendings on as little as possible now. Will look further, thanks!
Njyyrikki@reddit
Despite what people are telling you, financing a boat is not at all stupid, but of course ”it depends”.
If you are purchasing a more expensive boat, say 100k, not financing it is simply irresponsible financial management provided you can get a decent rate for the loan. That is then 100k you are not able to invest into other things. Depending on your payment schedule, 100k in an index fund, the returns can offset quite a bit of your instalments while maintaining the initial investment. If you have 100k of disposable cash, put it to work instead of blowing it on a depreciating asset.
However, if the rate you’d get would effectively multiply the price of the boat over the loan period, think again.
fluvialgeomorfologia@reddit
Your points are valid. That said, I can justify spending 100k on a depreciating asset because it is a quality of life issue for me. It is a significant amount of money for me, but I enjoy being on the water with family and friends. As I get older, I see people pass on, and I realize the time I have to enjoy is short. Also, there will be a time when I am not physically capable of doing some of the things I'd like to do.
Bill Perkins's book Die with Zero may be too hedonistic for some, but he presents an interesting view. If I were a good person, I would use that money to help the less fortunate. Instead, I take my friends who don't have boats sailing.
Simple_Journalist_46@reddit
Thats 100% helping the less fortunate!
fluvialgeomorfologia@reddit
Funny!! Thank you for the affirmation. Although I don't know, it could be those I sail are just smarter...
corporateespionista@reddit
I literally quoted the Die with Zero philosophy yesterday on my r/liveaboard dating thread.
My money earned is to be spent enriching the lives of those I care about while I'm alive, not leaving them with piles of cash after I'm gone. I'll never be ultra-rich because I absolutely plan to spend it all enjoying life to the fullest.
vulkoriscoming@reddit
I bought my sailboat 25 foot Catalina for $5k. It was about 20 years old when I bought it in 2005. I still use it and haven't had to put "that much" money into it. Avoid inboard engines. They are hard to work on when they break. Outboards are a lot easier.
jfoucher@reddit
I once bought a boat for 600€ in the fall and sold it for 2000 in the spring. 9m sailboat, Dufour arpège) Spent one winter living aboard. Did no work whatsoever on the boat in the meantime. Prices are highly seasonal. Another boat I owned I bought for 600 € (again) it had sunk in the harbor from a broken seacock, so I refitted for a couple months and then we went sailing for the winter months, and again in sold it in the spring for 5000€ which covered the cost of the refit. (10m sailboat from the 70s) Just a little anecdote to fuel the debate ;)
71fit@reddit
Arrr matey! Can’t come to the party tonight because I broke m’seacock!
pembquist@reddit
I hate you.
jfoucher@reddit
That’s ok, I understand
pembquist@reddit
: )
ATworkATM@reddit
Bought my first boat for $1K, it was from a drunk liveaboard who trashed it. Refitted it and sailed it for 3 summers before selling it to another drunk for $5K. Paid for all the money I dumped into it and I used that money to buy the next level boat with friends.
merlincm@reddit
Wow, one boat and three generations of drunks!
LameBMX@reddit
three generations we know of!
ithaca_sailor@reddit
Can you indicate the country / countries in which you bought these? My experience with prices is very different.. and I think it is definitely country-depensent
jfoucher@reddit
In France on the Mediterranean. There are a lot of old boats in marinas and very few spots. Sometimes people buy the boat plus the spot but don’t care about the boat, so they just get rid of it to put their new boat in its place. But then of course if you buy the boat you have to find other arrangements for storage. It worked out a couple of times for me
ithaca_sailor@reddit
That sounds great (from a buyers perspective) tbh. Can you indicate a couple of places? I reckon that this is an "in person" process, ie people don't advertise the boats online?
jfoucher@reddit
Online through “leboncoin” both times for me…
Ok-Engineer192@reddit
Now you have to tell us when and where you bought an Arpege for 600€!
jfoucher@reddit
Port de bouc, France, 2018
Ok-Engineer192@reddit
Ah the rare auld time!
jfoucher@reddit
Oh there are still some stellar deals to be had. In my experience the best moment to buy is around November and December. Now is just about the worst. And you’ll be looking at 40-50 year old boats.
jf727@reddit
This is absolutely the way. Cheap boats are everywhere
why___knot@reddit
Instructions unclear. My boat is burning. What am I doing with the 100 Dollare bill?
vulkoriscoming@reddit
A single $100 bill will do nothing for a boat. Might as well take it to the bar and use it to buy drinks while you cry about the burnt boat.
Redfish680@reddit
Well invested!
Brwdr@reddit
Pays some kind of divident the next morning too!
jawisi@reddit
Depends on the boat. A hundred bucks will get me a new main halyard (which I am currently in need of).
jawisi@reddit
Buy your crew lunch?
njs2233@reddit
Keep adding 100s until the fire is out.
MongolianCluster@reddit
Wasn't that what you used for kindling?
vulkoriscoming@reddit
That was the stack of 30 $100 bills.
meisangry2@reddit
Something about getting a loan to get rid of them in 2 years?
Celica88@reddit
Throw them on the fire, it'll help
MyTrashCanIsFull@reddit
100%. If you can't afford to pay for the boat 2-3x, you shouldn't buy it
Sam_Sanders_@reddit
You can afford a boat 3x and also decide to take out a loan for it. Those aren't mutually exclusive.
cyricmccallen@reddit
Yeah it depends on your interest rate, but if it’s lower than inflation you’d always be better off taking a loan and sticking your pile of money in some sort of investment portfolio. I just bought a kubota last year. Had the cash to buy it, but with 0% interest financing it didn’t make sense.
LameBMX@reddit
it can also be a credit building or maintenance tool.
nylondragon64@reddit
My Credit always has better rates than other banks. Plus you alway look to pay it off early.
TexasPirate_76@reddit
Okay, Mr. Buffett. /s
merlincm@reddit
In my experience every single person with a boat gets to call them self jimmy Buffett.
Vanguard470@reddit
To add to this, buy a boat that is widely popular or at least had large productions. Bonus if you buy one from a company that is still in business (ehemmm... Catalina). Parts are easy to find, typically cheaper, and there's a solid chance that whatever you're working on/fixing on the boat, someone has done the exact same thing before and written a post or made a video about it.
From a purely finance standpoint, think of it like buying a house, you don't buy the first one you see, look around, get a feel for quality and location for price. Make a shortlist and set that as a target to get ready to buy. Then, act like you are financing it, but put the payments you'd make to a bank into a savings or if the market is good, something like Acorns (that's what I did). The more you can pay in, the faster you'll reach the target, then just go out and find a similar boat that you originally researched but look for newer models in your price range.
On going finance, I use YNAB to budget and set aside money for repairs and parts, and a larger chunk for a slip if that's the route you are going, then set money aside each month/paycheck for the boat, if you use it, great, if not, apply it to your next boat or other big purchase if you decide to sell the boat and move on to something else.
StatisticalMan@reddit
Yeah especially as a first time boat owner buying a boat which had a large production run or large combined similar model production runs (i.e Hunter 34 & Hunter 340 and Hunter 335) is very useful. Whatever problem you have with your boat someone else has had it too. Owners groups make it easy to find solutions to your 20+ year old no longer produced boat.
OldRaggedScar@reddit
That's excellent advice.
Mode_Historical@reddit
A better way of saying it is never take out a loan on a depreciating asset.
canofmixedveggies@reddit
but a 15-25 year old boat is a new boat... my last boat was a 50 year old CAL 27... Theres still plenty of room to depreciate.
StudentDistinct632@reddit
Also, commit to use your boat on a regular basis so that its components are always up to par vs. something breaking every time you go out. Also, the boat you decide to get and have budgeted for should be in a slip at a marina so that your day or weekend out is not spent getting it in and out of the water.
BamaTony64@reddit
Rule 1. Never finance toys.
thebugman40@reddit
I remember hearing a rich person once say if you can't afford to buy two you can't afford one. the reality is with most toys people buy the ongoing costs will eventually add up to a substantial sum.
u399566@reddit
Why would #5 piss anyone off?
Isn't this common sense? Taking out loans for expensive toys you can't afford is the epitome of bad decision making where I come from... 🙄
StatisticalMan@reddit
Some people do it and then they don't like to hear it is a bad idea. People always have a justification for poor choices.
Techters@reddit
A lot of people in my sailing class I'm taking co-own their boats with other people/couples. One guy has had his almost 30 years and him and the other owner take winter and do all kinds of maintenance on their own in storage, keeping the costs way down and things working well. He said his winches are original, and they look brand new, they really just go through and refurb everything.
nylondragon64@reddit
I did buy my 87 pearson31 with a personal loan. Paid off in 5 years. But i was financially in a good place to do so. Still sailing it since 2001.
nylondragon64@reddit
Oh I paid 18k for it. Basically a used car back then.
WhatsMyNameAgain1701@reddit
Coin all the phrases:
Break Out Another Dollar A boat is a hole in the water you throw money 1 boat dollar is 1000 real dollars
There’s more…let’s do this. GO!
WhatsMyNameAgain1701@reddit
I should mention, I went all out and bought a large sailboat compared to what we started with. Went from 10’ and 12.5’ kayaks to a 41’ monohull. Went looked for four years. We love our girl. She’s fully capable and I have modified her a little bit since getting her in 2022.
We set our goal 15 years ago, to buy an RV we can travel the states with and then give it all up for a single place to live away from everyone after ‘years’ of traveling. Then, we found out we could sail ‘around’ the world. So, we looked into getting a sailboat…four years later, here we are. Retiring next year at 55 and 54 and setting sail away from the hustle and bustle shortly after that.
What my better half and I did was set a goal and didn’t let anyone tell us we couldn’t do it. Every penny that didn’t go to our necessities of living went to our necessities to live…which was our sailboat.
So, you ask how we did it…we set a goal and didn’t let anyone or anything allow us to stray from it.
PoppaBear1981@reddit
For the full sailing experience, one should put on all your wet weather gear and stand in the cold shower tearing up 100 dollar bills.
PoppaBear1981@reddit
I've also heard ''A sailboat is a whole in the water into which one throws money.''
Rednmrfer@reddit
Never get a boat loan
ithaca_sailor@reddit
Are you US-based? I am asking regarding the 15-25 year sweet spot.
Significant_Tie_3994@reddit
"Buy an older boat but not too old 15-25 years is sweet spot IMHO in terms of depreciation." Boats depreciate on a 18 year schedule, most of your range is when the boat only has scrap value per the tax code.
ProbablyFullOfShit@reddit
I just cut up 100 dollar bills to make fiberglass
Embarrassed_Can6796@reddit
All outstanding advice. However, even with this, slip rental can still eat you alive. That boat is costing you money everyday, whether you are there or not. But if you are lucky, you can join a sailing club with cheap rent.
mullet_priest@reddit
upvote for not taking out loans for toys
doublenostril@reddit
I’m internalizing #5. This is great advice. Thank you!
SaltyLengthiness260@reddit
I'll weigh in as a non-but-aspiring-to-be sailboat owner. I'm in personal finance. Definitely don't take out a large loan for a toy or a boat. Or, don't take out a loan at all for a toy or boat. I fully support this one.
FlyingDutchman199@reddit
I don't know why anyone would be pissed about that. That's solid advice. Unless you earn money from it in the long run, don't take out a loan. Especially considering that people then tend to spend even more money on the boat, which is then massively over their budget in terms of ongoing costs for maintenance, marina fees, etc. I cringe every time I hear someone say "boat loan" 😬
Electronic-Trash-276@reddit
I lived in my car to buy my first boat.
UnluckyChampion93@reddit
done.
Wander_Globe@reddit
I bought a sailboat for 10K two years ago. In the first few months I learned how to changed a macerator, rebuild a waterpump and pull out and clean my fuel injectors. I installed solar and a lithium house battery and added a new end to my shore power plug that burnt out which would have cost me over $150 as opposed to the $20 I paid for the new end. Changed impeller, new belt on the alternator, fuel lines etc etc. You just start small and sort it out as you go. I did bring in a mechanic for one task but other than that I did it myself by spending a lot of time with my nose in manuals and watching youtube videos.
You just sort it out as you go along.
n0exit@reddit
People always ask me "How'd know how to do that?" and I say "I didn't". But now I do. You can learn anything, you just have to be willing to learn.
hyldemarv@reddit
There’s also a lot of people in the marina who really love to talk about boats and their many different problems with theirs. Sometimes they have a good suggestion.
n0exit@reddit
Also a lot of people who are willing to give you a hand. A guy walked by while I was struggling to remove a giant screw with a tiny screwdriver on a track on my mast and he said hold on a second, went back and grabbed his tool bag and pulled the screw out for me. He also gave me some valuable tips on the proper tool and technique for the job.
ATworkATM@reddit
Great attitude. Continuing and wanting to learn is a great skill to have.
Interesting-Gur-3740@reddit
Nails and hair highlights lights $300+ Trade off
Interesting-Gur-3740@reddit
An 80’s 22 ft keel boat is / was $2500 Cut expense jar like alcohol and dining out and there’s your money Slip $300 a month
Cut else where Save and invest your money right by growing it
Haveland@reddit
Be aware that the price of the boat is often cheap compared to the yearly cost. My first boat was a tanzer 22 for 4K.
But then ever year I paid 2k in club membership, 300 for haul in, 300 for towing, 200 for bottom paint, 300 haul out, 200 cleaning, 800 storage, 450 insurance. And then paying for anything that breaks. So I pay about 4K just to own a 4K boat.
black_tootherson@reddit
It’s really only viable if you’re a handy person and can do work on it yourself. Get something old and small. There are tons of hidden gems out there for under $5k or even $2k or less. Do NOT take out a loan for a boat imo
neverfakemaplesyrup@reddit
Yeah i live in WNY/Finger Lakes and if you're handy, there's loads of cheap to free baby sailboats
Genuinely got esail the other night after seeing a few for $100
Arizona_Sailor@reddit
We had a nice time there at Watkins Glen listening to live music overlooking the marina and sipping on craft beer. We’re sailors but hadn’t trailered our boat. We were RVing thru there. …it was the Lucky Hare on Seneca Lake.
black_tootherson@reddit
Totally and I mean even if you are handy don’t want a massive headache just work and save like $4-10k and get you something that you can start sailing right away
SouthernHiker1@reddit
I’m with you I’m not taking out a loan for a boat. I know people do it, but that just seems like a bad idea to me.
omahlama@reddit
My solution: buy a boat from 1986 and spit it in half with my brother-in-law. We paid around 14k€ for the boat and yearly total costs have been between 2-3k€ for the past 5 years. Having two owners is great, as long as you get along well: you split costs and for the inevitable maintenance there’s someone to do it with.
You can see economic history with used sailboat market here in Finland : there are lots of boats for sale from the 80s boom years, practically nothing from the 90s when the country was in deep depression and then newer boats from the 2000s are available again.
lord_de_heer@reddit
Expensive is always relative. Maybe they drive cheaper cars, or not drive at all. And life in a small/cheap house.
Or just more wealth/income. I think the bigger boats are defo expensive to maintain. Smaller ones, less so.
kdjfsk@reddit
I live IN the boat. 🤣
Plastic_Table_8232@reddit
Not everyone is “rich” they just sacrifice everything for the boat and the lifestyle.
Cooking your own meals and learning to make healthy food cheap, avoiding the “bar” / entertainment scene as well as the “money trap” of new vehicles helps.
My wife and both drive vehicles that are almost 20 years old but people think we are rich when they see our boat. We are not it’s just the only nice thing we own.
Assumptions are often not reality.
Sold our house and bought a small derelict trailer park. Used the capital from the house to refit the park and are quickly approaching a descent revenue stream and a “free” house on the land because we moved into one of the trailers as our land base. Basically splitting time between the boat and the trailer park / business as finances demand.
We’re currently trying to restore the cruising kitty so we can shove off for a few years work free but it will not be something we can afford to do in perpetuating. We will have to work again for another stretch once we are done to make another go at cruising for a few years.
Having minimal personal possessions and migrating away from a “consumer driven” lifestyle helps a lot as well.
Basically we work, and when we aren’t working we are living cheap as possible on the boat. Do all of our own work, even on our vehicles.
Most folks that live in houses snd have our level of income always drive new vehicles and have insane entertainment budgets.
It’s amazing what you can do when you focus all of your energy on a single goal.
It’s taken almost 10 years to get here but here we are. We want to go cruising before we’re to old and broken to enjoy it. I can work in an office when I’m 65 or 70, it’s likely all my body will be capable of doing. It’s not the traditional way of thinking here in the US but I have lost to many friends in mid 40’s to worry about waiting to live life until I’m retirement age.
Nothing about it is fiscally responsible but that’s a risk we’re willing to take to live our dream. One day we may have regrets but everyone does with age. Worse regret would be getting diagnosed with cancer at 55 thinking I was going to get to cruise for a decade after retirement.
Sometimes it’s like driving a car in the dark. You know where you need to go but can only see 20’ ahead.
Never heard anyone regretting going to sea unless they weren’t sailors to begin with and fought a fancy boat only to find out they get seas sick or the wife misses the kids.
Alesisdrum@reddit
Same! Toronto winters are a challenge though lol
lord_de_heer@reddit
Even better!
Inevitable_Brush5800@reddit
Well, I live in a cheap house I had to gut, driving a 17 year old car....and I have a Hobie 14 I have to do some repairs on.
Well on my way to riches!
But I don't mind the rags. I have a water view. Never cared much for material possessions any how.
Jalopnicycle@reddit
My Precision 16 was $1k and hasn't needed anything besides trailer tires and a bow roller in the 3+ years I've owned it.
Pirateprincess111@reddit (OP)
Amazing!! I heard stories of a boat selling 50k being superspecial„cheap“, but you had to spend another 50k to repair it to make it sailable. Other boats I saw were like 100k. Your story is an inspiration, thanks!
Plastic_Table_8232@reddit
I don’t know your location but in the US a lot of inexperienced buyers have enter the market paying to much for to little. Sailing is also seeing a bit of a resurgence and that’s also driving up demand.
If you went a boat just to sail cheap is one thing but if you want the systems to work and be able to do overnight passages and live on the hook for a period, IMHO your money is better spent on a well maintained vessel. Let the previous owner loose the money from the refit instead of you.
Wd91@reddit
Important to note that their Precision 16 is a dinghy. When people are meme'ing about how expensive boats are they generally aren't talking about sailing dinghys, they're talking about full size yachts. Dinghys are essentially planks with a big stick, they can be very cheap. Once you start increasing size, adding motors, electricity, navigation systems, appliances etc etc the costs increase very rapidly.
Pirateprincess111@reddit (OP)
Exactly, looking for boats that you could cross an ocean in. What a dream. But everybody was a bloody beginner in the beginning! Will learn!
tjernobyl@reddit
The Mini Globe 5.80 race is going on right now- around the world solo in 19-foot boats, most of them home-built by the skippers.
Jewnadian@reddit
Let's not confuse the guy. Most of those guys put $50k in time, money and materials in a 19' race boat.
fluvialgeomorfologia@reddit
You are not wrong. I read 550 to 600 hrs, which is more time than I would want to spend.
RobinsonCruiseOh@reddit
Very few people can successfully jump straight in to a blue water and cross and ocean without first having some time on a trailer sailor or a dinghy to learn the ropes (literally)
bts@reddit
It is much easier to learn borrowing club boats, where the maintenance is done to a professional standard, than to buy a boat.
And with a good club you can volunteer to do some supervised maintenance too!
JohnHazardWandering@reddit
Oh boy. Wait until you hear about free boats.
MyTrashCanIsFull@reddit
Well, there are sailboats and there are sailboats.
If you're looking at 50 ft bluewater cruisers, yeah, 50k would be a steal. If you want a 20-25 ft "pocket yacht" you can pick an older one up for less than 10k and spend almost nothing in maintenance (for a few years, at least)
MollyG418@reddit
We got our 1978 San Juan 28' a couple years ago for under 5K. It was in great shape and, since the owners were racers, it came with a few extra sails. We've cosmetically cleaned up the inside, my husband fixed up the engine, and I've done some canvas work. Overall, we've put more sweat equity in than money (except the new main, I bought that with a fat retro paycheck) and now we have a great little RV on the water and can take off around the sound for the weekend.
zoinkability@reddit
Do you keep it in the water? I feel like trailer sailers, which are kept out of the water, need a lot less maintenance — particularly if they are well protected when out of the water.
mag_safe@reddit
Exactly why I’m going J/24.
SouthernHiker1@reddit
Also, if you have a place to park them like your backyard, it’ll save you a lot of money.
I paid for a dry slip at my yacht club to park my trailer sailor. $50 a month. That way I could leave the mast up, and it made getting it on the water a lot quicker.
Jalopnicycle@reddit
It sits on its trailer behind my garage with a tarp over it when not in use. Boat/trailer combo weighs less than 1k lbs. If I mess up getting it on the trailer I can front squat it into position.
TripAdditional1128@reddit
Only buy a boat if you will be spending enough time on it. Vacations, weekends, evenings. You will save money because you do not need a hotel/resort and you can live on the boat for cheap- anchoring, cooking yourself.
Sailing twice a year because boat/body of water is far away? You charter.
no loans for hobbies/ lifestyle
save money
look for a boat within your budget. Get a smaller boat, get an older boat depending on your savings
keep saving by not having other costly hobbies. While sailing can be cheap (see above), upkeep is very expensive. Us normal people become well versed in maintaining all the boat systems (electrical, engine, plumbing…), the hull, the rigging, the wood. Because hiring someone is…expensive.
So the newer fancy boats in marinas require rather a lot of dispensable income. But it is doable with normal income.
Brwdr@reddit
There is really only one rule about owning a boat. If you cannot afford to sink it at the dock and walk away and buy one just like it, the boat is out of your price range. There are no exceptions to this rule and it is the only rule you need remember when buying and maintaining a boat.
Boats are depreciating assets that take a lot of abuse just sitting on a trailer or on jack stands. The sun has long bleached the American flag on the moon to white and likely the flag has also disintegrated. Your boat was not designed by NASA and built by rocket engineers and thus much more likely to crumble to dust before the awesome power that is the sun.
Damage is much more severe if the boat lives in the water. Should you actually use the boat the wear and tear on running rigging and sails is enormous, then there is the standing rigging, anything foolishly made of wood on deck, fittings, mast, etc. If it has a motor this is a very significant mistake as motors, be they ICE or EV, hate water and if salt water ^3 the cost of wear. The bottom of the hull especially hates being in the water and every living thing in the water desperately wants to attach itself and start their own little Bikini Bottom habitat and begin generating generations of offspring in some kind of aquatic, microscopic porno scene. Something similar eventually attempts to create a living biome inside the boat if there is even a hint of moisture, like a Sysiphean story of personal disaster will spend much time trying to keep an object that floats on the water, dry.
But always remember rule one, which also happens to be the only rule.
oskich@reddit
The Swedish market is flooded with cheap boats, especially ones from the 70's and 80's that were bought in large numbers by the boomer generation. Those people are now getting old and are selling their well kept boats for very low prices.
Also a lot of non-profit marinas where you can moor your boat for very little money.
Ok-Wear4259@reddit
Can you share a couple of websites where these boats are listed? Asking from a different but not too far country. Thanks!
oskich@reddit
Blocket.se, Facebook Marketplace
OldRaggedScar@reddit
I put in overtime at work for a month to afford my first boat (Catalina 22 hull number 87). Sailed that little boat every chance I could, learning my lines. Sold that boat 2 years later and found an old sailor that would sell me his boat (Yankee 30) on payments. Do as much of the work as you can. Take the boat out. The value is only with what you get out of it.
blueberrybannock@reddit
I have a 25 foot trailer sailer. All in, under $5k to purchase and repair, no slip fees, minimal maintenance, cheap insurance. Under $1000 per year for maintenance and gas to haul it around.
DaySailor2024@reddit
Little less cost for an 18 footer!
InvisibleTextArea@reddit
I have no wife or children. That seems to help a lot with the health of my personal finances.
forlaens@reddit
We bought our first boat (26 foot from 1979) in a co-ownership setup with three owners. The initial cost was just under 10k usd, and our monthly cost was kept at something like 200 usd all inclusive. All costs divided by three makes it manageable. And no one has time to sail every week, or even every weekend, so a co-ownership works great for us.
Klaus_Mann@reddit
Huh? Tons of cheap boats out there if you're willing to put in the work. At least where I am I can get a decent Cabin Cruiser 7-9m for 2500-6000€. Smaller Boats go for well under 1000€, like Ixylon etc. And proper basket cases can be gotten for free, especially the big ones taking up expensive space.
permalink_child@reddit
BOAT == “Break out another thousand”.
Inevitable_Positive2@reddit
you can get a decent 25-30' old junker for like 4k. Try and find someone to check out the rigging. A slip is going to be pricey. Like 2-4k per year depending on where you are. Insurance is cheap for sailboats and usually marinas make you keep a pretty big policy. First boat owners i think they charge you more but should be like 300... Im guessing here. I pay like 250 for my old 30 footer. Try and look for something powered by an outboard as worst case scenario you might have to replace that which can be anywhere from like 1-4k for a decent used one. Bottom paint is like 900-1.5 k but have em put an extra gallon around the water line and you should be good for every other year if not every three years if you dont mind having an ugly bottom for that last year. Most older sailboats have water damage of some sort. You mainly want to make sure the main structural interior bulkheads arent completely trashed. A little soft wood around the chainplates is most likely not a big deal but significant damage can be a red flag. The chain plates are where the mast supports are attached to the hull. If they are actively leaking, rebedding with some butyl tape is pretty easy and last a long time. It used to be regular maintenance to remove and reapply sealant at these points but the butyl tape makes that way less of a headache. Try and look for a boat with a furling jib but make sure the furling device actually works. IF the seller doesnt want to take you out at least make him unfurl the jib and raise the main just to get an idea of the sail and rigging conditions. Replacing sails can be a pain but will likely be needed at some point but you can usually find decent used sails for like 300-600. If you are willing to learn and work on the various systems of the boat yourself you can save a ton of money but if you plan on having other people do all the work, pretty much everything gets real expensive, real quick. Apparently hull/keel damage is a significant concern as well but I think since I live in the soft bottom Chesapeake, I have never had any issue. I went overboard and gouged out any cracks and drilled drainage holes in my keel when i got my old junker but luckily it was dry. And just slapped on a bunch of filled epoxy per the west systems manual. But I probably didnt even need to worry about it. But yeah slip fees are the big expense if you work on the boat yourself and maybe a new outboard along the way. But if you keep the boat in sailing shape you shouldnt have trouble unloading it after a couple years. If you buy a boat from the mid 80s or earlier, you will likely have a bunch of nasty looking exterior wordwork with bits of old varnish. This can be expensive to have redone so i just used a heat gun and a scraper and removed it all and use semco oil to keep it nice looking. The topside paint will likely be chalky and having the topside painted can be super pricey, but soap and wax will keep you from being too embarrassed at the marina. Also look for soft spots on the deck. if there are a couple small ones near ports or deck hardware you should try and first fix the leaks then fix the softspots. replacing the deck is another crazy expensive job but once the leak is fixed and ins not a huge area, you can just drill holed and fill with epoxy. I wouldnt try using a boat like this in any serious weather if you havent have the rigging properly inspected but for a day sailer to play around with for a couple of years you can definitely do it without breaking the bank. I also dont recommend a partner unless they are super handy and super excited about doing lots of work on the boat. This can lead to huge headaches outside of the financials of it all. If you are in MD I know of an old 30' newport that will be listed early July. No clue for how much, but a buddy just inherited a 35' bristol and he needs to unload his current old junker. That being said, once you get around the 7-12k range, the options get WAAAAY nicer
Inevitable_Positive2@reddit
TLDR; I think after whatever the purchase price is, You're looking at like around 4k annually. With another 500-1k here and there. Those lower hp outboards dont use much fuel, just make sure you take good care of it as engine repair/replacement can be $$$$
Inevitable_Positive2@reddit
might be more like 5-6plus looking at what other people say they pay for their slip fees. I guess I am lucky as there are lots of marinas around here
qbas81@reddit
I used to be a boat owner - 30 years old OK Dinghy, I had to spend roughly 2 monthly salaries to buy it (I was not earning much, however more than median).
westsidewarrior3@reddit
Get a good old boat, do everything yourself, focus on upgrading the things that matter, use the boat at least once a month, and try to get a boat partner if you can. I use our boat alot for business, I take clients and employees out and used to expense $70 a head as a reimbursement for maintenance. I've met and hired so many good people and won tons of work from the relationships forged aboard that it has paid for itself many times over. Besides, it's still cheaper than golf.
PrintAlarming@reddit
If you can set a $100 bill on fire and let it burn without being terribly upset you are ready for a boa.
UndocumentedSailor@reddit
It's the same price as a car (unless you're looking at a new multi million dollar cat)
mynameis____@reddit
I bought a 1982 Cal25 for $5k in 2018. Sailed her for two seasons and sold her for almost what I paid. Immediately bought a 1986 S2 27’ for $10k that I sail to this day. Both paid for in cash (and probably worth more than I paid). Aside from a new Genoa on the Cal and a new main for the S2 - I’ve not incurred any really serious or major costs other than general upkeep. I do all the work myself with help from boat neighbors or YouTube. General maintenance and supplies do probably add up if you’re running a tight ship (and I def do) but I don’t track what I spend because maybe I’d rather not know and/or I just really love sailing.
I do well but I’m not rich and I firmly believe you don’t have to be to own a sailboat. Annual costs for my slip, haul-out, winter storage (including shrink wrap) total $5500 ish in Chicago. The amount you want to spend on upkeep is a choose-your-own-adventure. If you want to be the captain slumming it in your marina - you’ll find you’re not alone in most marinas.
FarAwaySailor@reddit
Buy an older boat. If you're only going to keep her for 2 years she'll be with the same when you sell her, but to be honest, in 2 years you'll only just be getting to know her.
canofmixedveggies@reddit
my Catalina 30 was $1000, you can probably find one in better shape for free or even a turn key one for under $10,000.
depending where you live renting a slip under 30 feet can be under $250 a month. the economy of scale and age work in your favor for buying in, with older boats like mine they've already hit max depreciation so as long as you use it and maintain the boat it's not a huge financial burden even for someone living well below the poverty line ( as long as you do your own work).
but if you are looking at yachtworld wanting to buy a 2026 65ft gunboat you are dreaming. there's no guarantee you'd even like sailing,or even overnight cruising, or your partner doesn't like it, or your kids don't like it.
buy a sunfish for $1200 with a trailer and learn if you can't find a club. jump on a boat as crew and bring a case of beer to make friends.
my boats older than me, my engine has unknown hours and it's fine. I've had to replace a fuel pump so far this year and a control cable. in in something like $8500 total of we count my time and tears as free. (so if argue against buying a big project) but hey I'm racing every week and I've got a boat I know very intimately.
Tman3355@reddit
You think sailboats are expensive, try owning an airplane lol.
Not-A-Blue-Falcon@reddit
Bank loan
CardinalPuff-Skipper@reddit
I totally agree to this. Especially #5. Always pay cash. I’ve done a lot of boat flipping, where I buy low and sell high.
Icy-Artist1888@reddit
If you only plan to own it two years you are far better off to crew or charter...it could take two years to sell the boat of your dreams.
No-Conference-2502@reddit
Sold my house
Boogalion@reddit
Spare with friends is one (of many) way ;)
Fishin_Ad5356@reddit
Idk. Paid 400 for a sunfish, trailer, and a tarp.
windisfun@reddit
Windrider 16, paid $300 for it. Costs me $120/yr for registration and insurance. I keep it in my side yard, so no storage fees.
myengineeredlife@reddit
You can buy a sailboat easily for under 20K and pay less than 300 a month for slip fees and repair most things yourself. It's not as crazy expensive as you would think and certainly a lot less expensive than it costs for me to own my plane 😆😆
Shhheeeesshh@reddit
Find me a marina that’s 300 a month lmao
rthille@reddit
I spent $3400 on the boat. Have put about $1800 into slip rental ($200/month) in the SF Bay. That’s not a lot for me, but for some it sure would be.
Shhheeeesshh@reddit
I bought a 1976 31’ offshore racing boat for $12,000 spent roughly $2,000 on the sale process including flights, a survey because I didn’t know what I was looking at, hotels in a foreign country, a broker because buying a boat is complicated, foreign and domestic registration, and insurance. That pretty much tapped me for all the money I had so I flew home and left the boat in a marina while I worked to make enough money to go cruise the boat. Each month I spent $100 on bottom cleanings and having someone look after my new found “investment” as well as the marina fee which averaged out to be about $1100 but increased over time. It took me 14 months to save enough money working as an electrician to be able to afford to go sailing, so I spent another $16,800 in marina and associated fees. In that time my partner and I were able to save roughly $30,000 but it wasn’t easy, we stopped living our normal lifestyle, moved to a cheaper area, and worked like dogs while hardly ever seeing each other. In that time I sold all my vehicles, furniture, and anything of value I’d accumulated, and gave away the stuff I couldn’t sell. We stored the stuff that we were too attached to, but it wasn’t much. We packed the one remaining cheapest vehicle we owned with stuff and our dog and drove the 24 hours from our old home to our new one which cost about $1000, and moved onto the boat. We spent about 1.5 months at the marina getting used to the idea, which cost another almost $2,000 plus we spent about $1000 getting it comfortable (relatively) enough to live on, and we left the dock. After leaving the dock our expenses had dropped significantly, down to anywhere between $400 - $600 a month on food, fuel, and tequila with friends. We sailed about 1000 miles and ran into major mechanical issues which have cost us way more than anticipated, about $3000 all in all counting parts, marina bill, and associated costs, plus 2.5 months of our time now. My savings is going quicker than I had hoped, but I still anticipate I will be able to sail this boat through the canal, and then spend a season in the carribean with it before I need to sell it and go back to work, which will end up taking me about 2 years. I don’t expect to make anything back on the boat sale, so my rough estimate for 2 years on a cheap, not very comfortable pretty bare bones boat, 10-15 countries and several thousands of miles of cruising is about $60,000 after all is said and done, which I think is incredibly cheap for 2 people to spend 2 years not working and getting to play around and adventure everyday. I’m only 29 currently, and work as an electrician. A far cry from rich, so it can be done, you just have to be committed to it, and try not to get too jealous of friends $200-300k boats and $2000 monthly budgets which has been tough lol.
65HappyGrandpa@reddit
Dividend payments from stocks were used for boat payment. No loan. (Buy stocks that pay good dividends and reinvest those dividends with good discipline. The money grows fast that way, as do the dividend payments.)
Fortunately, I did very nicely in the stock market during the previous 6 years.
Good luck and best wishes.
Moonlight_cottage@reddit
I don't, generally
Aggravating-Look-426@reddit
I had a 28' sailboat that I paid $4,250 for, for about four years. I didn't do an excessive amount of work to it; I replaced (with mine own hands) the taffrail, hauled and painted it, remade the rudder shaft "bearings" with epoxy mixed with graphite, replaced various bits that broke like the gooseneck, sleeved the running pole when it broke in half, etc. I would think I spent less than $2,000 on all these over the years.
I sailed it around the Puget Sound, up the San Juan Islands a few times, the Gulf Islands and up to Comox, down to San Francisco, Santa Cruz, and Morro Bay, and over to the Hawaiian Islands. After a few months there I sold it for $5000, about 10 years ago.
I tried to anchor it out to avoid paying for dock and moorage fees, and not having to maintain an engine probably made my maintenance life easier and cheaper.
You don't have to be rich to afford a sailboat, but you do have to be rich to afford a rich man's lifestyle on a rich man's sailboat.
SpunkyDaisy@reddit
My husband and I are child free with good jobs. (Well, until I got laid off this week)
DINK life FTW
P208@reddit
I bought a beautiful, turn-key, new sails, 1985 S2 27 Cruiser in Pensacola, FL back in 2021; for $16,000. My girlfriend, golden retriever, and I then sailed it down and around Florida, through the keys, and on to the Bahamas and back for 4 months, living aboard. It is a very solid coastal cruiser for living aboard, for a 27.
If you're willing to go small, and don't are comfortable being a little uncomfortable, you can go on some pretty great trips. We spent 90% of the nights anchored out, and covered 2,000 miles of mostly ocean. I did a tremendous amount of research, prior, and could tell you anything about sailboats, at the time. The only sailing experience I had was 8 months of self-taught lake sailing in Idaho, on my Laguna 16 sailboat. Go small, go now!
SouthernHiker1@reddit
There are wooden, steel, aluminum, and even cement boats. Each one has its own pro’s and cons.
The big cons to fiberglass boats are the ones that have cores like wood or balsa. If the core gets wet and rots it’s a pain to repair.
OregonGrownOG@reddit
It’s all relative do you want a boat you can live on permanently or do you want to sail?
I bought a 1976 Catalina 22 for $1500. It needed work and I’m fairly handy. I have never owned a boat in my life but I have always wanted to sail. This taught me how to work k on the boat and its ins and outs. This is my third year owning it and I love it. It’s big enough for overnights and small enough to comfortably single hand.
Over the course of owning it I have invested about 7 grand to refit the boat. 2200 of that was an outboard. IMO pretty reasonable and that’s v with buying everything new and not really shopping around.
Pirateprincess111@reddit (OP)
My dream is to sail the pacific one day! I already moved near the coast to go learn the license this autumn/winter! I never was a sailor so I know nothing about any of it yet but I‘m very excited! When I googled it was all 100/135k, I only saw one 50k and everybody talks about how they spend double the amount to repair a used boat. I am so glad about your story its inspiring! Thanks!
SouthernHiker1@reddit
You need to start in a smaller boat. You can find an older boat that can handle the coast on the ocean for 10 K or less. Sailing a small boat is almost identical to sailing a larger boat.
If you have a vehicle that can tow a boat, and a place to park it, a trailer sailor is a great way to start. Alternatively, depending on where you live, Marina fees can be anywhere from $150 per month up. That means you don’t have to maintain a tow vehicle.
I’m a fan of older fiberglass boats. They were very overbuilt in the 70s and 80s.
But, as everyone mentioned, it’s a lot cheaper to do the boat maintenance yourself. So if you feel like you’re up to the task, and you can follow a YouTube tutorial, then you can own a sailboat rather cheaply.
Miller25@reddit
what is the alternative to fiberglass boats? Aren't they easier to work on cause you can really just get some fiberglass sheet and epoxy it then sand it down?
Candelent@reddit
Learn to do as much repair things yourself as much as possible because in remote places there may not be anyone to hire even if you want to. Even worse, so-called professionals often do a lousy job. And things will break on a long ocean crossing. It is expected. Boat & equipment should be simple, robust and have parts available. The critical things like auto-pilots should have redundancy.
AggressiveAd4694@reddit
Yeah you're not sailing the pacific in a C22 (or anything similar). But they're a perfect vessel to learn the basics and have entirely too much fun in a lake. That's what I started with, I think I paid $3500 for the boat and the trailer back in 2013.
Honestly everyone starts out wanting to sail across an ocean. A fraction ever do. I started sailing a dozen years ago with that goal, now I race around beer cans for fun on Tuesday nights, take the family out for a day or two, charter a boat in the BVIs, etc.
An ocean crossing is truly an epic undertaking that might happen someday, but if it's going to happen then you almost definitely will need that $50k (minimum, and it will need repairs) boat. However, don't take this as discouragement. For someone who is new to sailing to say they want to cross an ocean isn't really dissimilar to a new guitarist wanting to play "Eruption." Yeah, they can get there, but it's definitely a process, and going to take a big investment of multiple forms. But as they say, the journey is the destination....
However......if you just want to crew on a boat that's crossing an ocean, that's entirely possible in a relatively short timeline. Google "sailing ARC". After that google how to find ARC captains looking for crew. You have enough time right now that you could go this November, given that other aspects of your life allowed for it.
Proper_Possible6293@reddit
We had less than $10k into the boat we lived and cruised on for 5 years, and the guy who bought our boat when we were done got a high latitude ready boat that had just done 5000 offshore miles without issue for $2500 and left cruising a month later.
Ocean crossings really aren't that big of a deal, the hardest part of cruising is wanting it bad enough to walk away from your current life. Sailing is pretty easy, stepping into the unknown of a very different life is scary and committing.
The whole "You need 50-100k boat to cross oceans" is what people tell themselves when what they really mean is "I don't want it bad enough to change my entire life and live cheap on a simple boat". Which is fine, but should be acknowledged for what it is instead of projecting ones own limits/desires on others.
AggressiveAd4694@reddit
Sure, I'm aware it can be done. And of course you're right about the actual challenge of ocean crossings, but most people aren't willing to entirely walk away from all other aspects of their life to cross this one thing off their list.
I agree with you on all parts: I don't want to to lower my quality of life so much that it can be fit into a $10k boat and cast off just to say I did it. I'd much rather do it on better terms and be more comfortable, and be able to come back to my life while limiting the interruptions. And this is the bucket that most people fall into, which is why most will never go. It's not that we're saying it can't be done. Yes, it is exactly that I don't want it so badly that I'm willing to change my entire life and live cheap on a simple boat. I don't want that.
Proper_Possible6293@reddit
From having known and watched a lot of people who decided to go cruising over the years, I think the underlying reality is that if someone won’t be happy on the 27 footer, they won’t be happy on the 50 footer either.
It’s hard, uncomfortable, and occasionally scary on either one. The people I have known who stuck with it are just happy to be out there.
A lot of people like sailing, many like the idea of cruising, but very few like the reality of cruising.
So yeah, you’re right most people will never do it, and fewer will stick with it for more than a year or too, but it’s less about money and more about loving that kind of life.
(A one off ocean crossing is very different though, that’s basically a somewhat unpleasant three week vacation that doesn’t require any major life changes.)
OregonGrownOG@reddit
The C22 is a capable coastal boat. Relegating it to just lakes is not an accurate take. Mine is currently moored in the Atlantic in coastal Maine. Is it a blue water boat? No. But you can get out on the ocean with it and get some experience.
fortcronkite@reddit
The problem is google shows you boats sold by a brokerage. Look for boats on Facebook marketplace.
CaptainOldSalt@reddit
We did sail the Pacific in a 44 foot semi custom build boat. Fully equipped we spend around 750k £.
The caveat is she is a new boat, build to our wishes. You can get a boat a lot cheaper than that.
Best_Bumblebee2056@reddit
You don’t
RingedSeal33@reddit
I bought my "cheaper mistakes boat" for 2k5€ and the upkeep is around 1k€ per year and I can easily afford that. Would I cross an ocean with that 22 feet wonder? No, but it is perfectly good for weekend trips and afternoon sailing.
I do my own maintenance and as there is only a little electronics or other expensive tech, it doesn't get very expensive.
Lgarsducable@reddit
I bought a 36 foot as a first boat. 50k (cad). Didn’t need much work. I used to be a mechanic, so nobody else, for now, works on it but me. I’ve added a couple things I wanted to it. Spend my summers on it. It’s only my second season and I don’t regret it at all. It does involve budgeting for it though. Do a little at a time. Learn. Share with others. Ask questions. Buy used parts for non essential things. Don’t look up stuff using « marine ». Just my 2 cents
qwertyusrname@reddit
Ive a 50ft sailboat, 25 year old, it cost around 15k to maintain, 120k to buy. I don’t do trips overseas, don’t eat outside, maybe once a month. No luxury, no expansive car. The boat is my happiness, I don’t care about clothes or showing off.
Why not smaller? Because I’ve bought the biggest I could afford, you can’t buy more space later
homestatic@reddit
Mottle 33s I love you
mr_muffinhead@reddit
I have a sailboat. It's 50 years old, cost 2000 dollars and has a parking spot near a launch for 200 a year. Not everyone owns a yacht.
I thought sailing was only a rich man's hobby for decades, then I realized any old bum can be a captain and jumped into that mess with them. Gas prices alone make it cheaper than my old mans fishing boat.
worktogethernow@reddit
I have had a small keel boat at a slip or on a ball for something like 8 years now. I'm still not sure I can afford it. My lifestyle definitely takes a hit in other places.
hobiegal@reddit
Buy a used Hobie Cat or Wave! We picked up our first one (which was 14 years old at the time) for $1200 with an excellent trailer, extra parts and sails and harness and 100% fun! Where we live, water was not included. That part still takes a bit of work, LOL
Extreme_Map9543@reddit
I bought a Gloucester 18 for $200 with a trailer included. I spent a few hundred more on new tires for the trailer and rigging. Used stuff I had on hand for some wood work it needed. And for less then $500 have a sweet trailer sailer. As far as ocean sailing my plan is to live aboard.
CuriousGeorge362436@reddit
Shhhh. You’re quickly approaching the secret of our community. While the public perception is that it’s expensive and exclusive, the secret is that it doesn’t have to be.
Older and smaller boats are readily available and there are many lower cost marina / club options. It’s not free but it can be way less expensive than a golf club. It can also be way more expensive if you want a new, big boat and join the higher end yacht clubs. It’s really a matter of choice.
All of the above said, the average non-sailor sees us sail by and imagines it’s an exclusive club and they dream what it may be like. That’s really good for our egos so let’s not burst their perception. Please don’t advertise how economical it can be.
GeoffSobering@reddit
I'm a big fan of the "get a smaller boat".
My Laser/ILCA cost $2000 (with trailer).
It lives in my backyard(free), and I drag it to a beach launching site when I want to sail (also free). Minimal maintenance, although I did break a boom once, and I probably need to get a new "training" sail.
jsheil1@reddit
I bought a Hobie Bravo. It wasn't terrible expensive, it doesn't take up much space. I just get to have a good time on the water in good conditions. Do I sail often? Not really. Do I want to sail more? Of course. But this is my entry into something that I absolutely love and have always wanted. But I have 1. The option to go when I want. 2. Not a lot of maintenance. So, I guess that my question to you is what does your entry-level sailboat look like to you in your mind?
If you're a fair weather sailor like me. Then, get something easy like a hobie cat. If you're going to sail the Caribbean, then start your budget.
I just hope that you have your image of your sailing life in mind, when deciding what you want.
MasterShoNuffTLD@reddit
Rent the newer ones. They are nicer than old boats, and split the rental costs over many more people on the boat. Companies like waypoints, Sailtime and the moorings have enough places around the world!
ButterscotchNo7232@reddit
I have a 34' sailboat that's paid for and I budget $600-$700/month for expenses (summer dock, winter storage, maintenance, etc) on Lake Michigan. I've had her since 2002 and have taken good care so there are few surprise costs. I do all the work myself. Today I estimate she's worth about 70% of what I paid in 2002.
I could not afford her if I paid someone to take care of her. Boat projects are part of the fun. Previously I had a 30' boat for five years so the incremental cost was manageable.
My wife and I share a 2015 SUV with 160k miles. A new vehicle loan would be close to our boat budget.
paleone9@reddit
There are no government programs that hand out boats, you have to earn one
RobinsonCruiseOh@reddit
our club calls ourselves the dirtbag sailors group. All trailer sailboats, where we are just as likely to spend money on beer and BBQ meat for the club potluck as we are to spend money on fancy racing add-ons for our boats.
So no. We aren't rich. My boat (Mac 26D) was \~$7k and I've put a few $100 in to it (new electrical setup) and need to put a few more hundred $ in for a tuneup for my kicker. My trailer is kind of a mess, needs to wiring because it doesn't work.
Reasonable-Pension30@reddit
Live on it. My repair bills etc are all cost of living expenses.
Ahlarict@reddit
After you buy your boat, be sure to relist it for sale immediately (because, you only plan to keep it 2 years and it takes an average of 2 years to sell a listing…)
SaucyWiggles@reddit
I am looking at being a first time buyer of this beautiful boat in Boston harbor that's 5 grand, and 50 years old. If I pull the trigger I'm worried I'll just sink a bunch of money into it and she'll be worthless so I appreciate this thread a lot lmfao
rwoooshed@reddit
Unless you have enough experience, money and time, 50 yr old boats should be avoided by first time buyers.
SaucyWiggles@reddit
Yeah I don't think I can do it, I've seen a lot of people saying to aim for younger just because there will be fewer problems.
She's beautiful though! I definitely have the itch.
skinlab77@reddit
Got a 7000$ 1982 sailboat, i tought it was cheap for a boat with all this equipment. (Now i know i overpaid a bit)
I said to myself, now its gon a be free sailing from now on... well..... nope!
( per year cost) Marina fees 1800$ crane 500$ boat maintenance 500-1000$ winter storage 250$ gasoline 100$ cigars and beer 1000$
2airishuman@reddit
Depends on the sailboat. I have a sailboat that I made myself that cost around $3000 for materials. Fits on the roof rack of my car. Fun.
I have another sailboat I bought for $100. 12' long. It needed new sails and lines, and a trailer. New sails were $1000. New trailer was $1500. Also fun.
I have a 38' sailboat. Slip, insurance, and upkeep are around $10,000 a year. I have a good job and sailing is important to me so I spend the money. Even so I am looking for a cheaper slip. Cost control is a constant thing. I believe in the long run it's cheaper to spend more money up front for boats like this rather than start with a basket case. With larger boats, it's an expensive activity, no two ways about it.
That-Makes-Sense@reddit
Good info! Could you give us a quick breakdown of the $10k?
2airishuman@reddit
$4500 slip lease including spring launch and fall haulout
$2300 winter storage (outside)
$900 insurance
$600 bottom paint (costs $1200 needed every other year)
$500 budget for periodic replacement of lines (docklines and lines in the running rigging) (I'm picky)
$300 basic maintenance and repair of sails, winter covers, sail covers, bimini, dodger, cushions (but not replacement at end of life)
$300 electrical and plumbing including periodic battery replacement
$200 impeller, engine oil, transmission oil, and filter changes
$200 shore connections. Periodic replacement of dock bumpers, fenders, shore power cords and connectors, water hose, dock box, etc.
$200 paint, varnish, decals
$200 winterization
$100 pumpouts
Pretty close to $10k anyway
Doesn't include depreciation, new sails, or major refits
That-Makes-Sense@reddit
Wow, great detail. Thanks! Pricey slip. This is very helpful, as I'm a new sailboat owner - 40 year old, 31 foot sailboat.
2airishuman@reddit
Those are fairly typical for good sailboat marinas in the Midwest. Competing marinas that have less desirable locations (both landside and waterside), layouts (inability to park near the boat, crowded fairways), and foot traffic (co-located RV park or hotel) are somewhat cheaper. High-demand locations with a shortage of slips cost more, notably Chicago and the St. Croix River near St. Paul and Minneapolis.
The only materially cheaper places in areas suitable for sailing have no facilities -- no water, no shore power, no restrooms -- just a dock.
That-Makes-Sense@reddit
Good info. Thanks again.
SuperBrett9@reddit
It’s just like any other addiction. You just dive in and figure it out.
vastzero@reddit
I bought a 60 year old boat that needed repairs. Some people call me crazy. But would a crazy man whose never worked with fiberglass do fiberglass repairs himself and take a boat out on the Great Lakes immediately after? I'll let you be the judge of that! (Laughs crazily)
In all seriousness. As other posters said get an older boat learn a lot. Its been a cool experience for me. I like fiddling with things and this has increased that. Learn to do things on your own and get something "simple" to start. A buddy of mine said its a process of problem solving... On the water.
GotoDengo_55@reddit
I have owned a series of sailboats, all bought used but in decent condition. I am handy, so I refurbished then over the years of ownership and sold every one at a profit. Sweat equity is a thing just like home ownership is. Yea I buy cash so have no carrying costs. If you use it enough, its easy rationalize as the cost of some other vacation/hobby. Some of the best times in my life have been aboard. What would a 2 week vacation cost you otherwise? 2 weeks on a boat cruising is priceless.
Significant_Tie_3994@reddit
Well, first, if you think the entry barrier to a boat is thousands of dollars, let me introduce you to the most expensive class of boat: the free boat. It's a little late in the season for the real winners in the free boat sweepstakes, but they're still there and you can get into a boat for a song and then pay as you go for the refit. WARNING, some DMVs have this crazy idea of charging you sales tax and tab fees for the blue book value of your boat, not the Fair Market Value, so expect to pay a lot more for taxes than you did for the actual boat. Watch farcebook markuplace and craigshitlist for motivated sellers, you should be on the water in months.
n0exit@reddit
I convinced the DMV that the guy giving me his boat was my uncle, and in my state, there's no tax on gifts. He also paid all the licensing and boat yard fees! He was really motivated to unload the thing.
DudleyAndStephens@reddit
We could have a pretty nice sailboat if we wanted one. How? DINK lifestyle. Two good jobs, no kids, live in a fairly affordable city.
Buying and maintaining a larger boat would gobble up a huge part of our "fun money" though so I have no interest in getting one. We're able to participate in a sailing club where we pay upfront every spring and get a certain number of points to use on their charter boats. No maintenance costs, no ongoing obligation and if one of us loses our job we can always decide not to join next year.
All of this depends on the size of the boat of course. We could easily afford our own Hobie Cat without worrying too much.
GotoDengo_55@reddit
I have
WestMoney15@reddit
I’m in college. I got lucky My halman 20 was $1000 because the guy was desperate to sell it. My slip fees are 500 a quarter. I spend a little over 1000 a year on insurance. I’m always broke. I work and go to school so everything I spend is on this boat and my house living expenses. It’s the best thing I’ve ever bought I’ll never go on a regular date with a girl again because of it
drroop@reddit
That is a lot on insurance. I pay a quarter of that. You might want to shop around or look at what you're covering, and if you need to.
WestMoney15@reddit
Who do you use? I use progressive because of my boats age
n0exit@reddit
Progressive was about $380 a year for comprehensive and 300k liability for my 1981 26' boat, or $145 for liability only. State Farm quoted me at $145 a year for comprehensive coverage, but wouldn't take me because I have a claim on my recent record. I currently have Foremost, who will insure just about anything for $400 a year.
drroop@reddit
Me too.
Because it is a cheap boat, I only insure everyone else's boat, not mine. It will pay whomever I hit, but not me. There's no towing service around where I am, so I have no towing coverage. Pretty much I'm on my own. I only keep the insurance because the marina requires it, if the boat breaks free and smashes a dock the marina is covered.
Fire5hark@reddit
I totally get your curiosity. Sailboats can seem crazy expensive, but there’s a whole other side of the sailing world that’s more about grit than deep pockets.
There are tons of neglected boats out there, some even for free. A lot just need elbow grease and basic systems work to become perfectly enjoyable. Used boat part stores are everywhere, and if you need new sails, there are sail lofts that do solid secondhand or bargain custom work.
I bought a $200 sailboat down in San Diego — well, $202.50 to be exact — and spent some time fixing it up. Sailed it up to the Bay Area and flipped it, though if I had more time and money and didn’t live in WA, I’d probably keep it. Everything works now, and you could honestly sail it to Hawaii tomorrow, or just chill in the bay or live aboard.
The key, like others have said, is staying well within your financial means. But I think it’s totally okay to get in over your head from a project standpoint. You just end up learning new skills and tackling stuff most people are scared of. There’s something incredibly satisfying about breathing life back into an old boat.
If you’re curious what that process looks like, I’ve been posting videos of the whole boat rehab under the handle ZSOL_TDL on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. It’s been a wild, fun ride.
n0exit@reddit
I'm a big fan of the free boat. You just have to know which free boat is worth it.
J4pes@reddit
Loan payments and moorage were cheaper than rent. That’s how.
kdjfsk@reddit
I paid $2500 (yes, $2.5k) for my Pearson 26.
Its admittedly a small boat, but there are 30-35' boats in similar condition for $10k-$20k. Have a look on facebook marketplace.
If you can afford a used car, you can afford a boat. if you can afford rent, you can afford to own a boat and liveaboard.
Everyone can afford to do this, you just have to calibrate your dreams to match your means.
n0exit@reddit
26' used to be considered a good size, but just like everyone thinks they have to have a huge SUV now, everyone thinks they have to have a 36'+ boat now.
People used to do some serious cruising with a family of four on little 26' boats.
n0exit@reddit
It doesn't have to be that expensive. My boat is worth about $6,000, but it is totally capable, has a good rig, new sails, and solid hull. It doesn't have a lot of creature comforts, but I don't need them. When I cruise it, it is a step up from tent camping. It's more like a tear drop trailer than a decked out motorhome. When I race it, it scoots along pretty good. I pay about $300 a month for a slip, which is cheaper than a car payment, which I don't have.
j9r6f@reddit
Paid $800 for my 470 and have probably put another $1-1.5k into it. Helped that I knew the guy selling it.
Money_Afternoon6533@reddit
Buy a share with other people
CrazyJoe29@reddit
Also, don’t forget. Some people ARE wealthy, some people inherited a family boat, and some people are in over their heads in debt.
Nice boats cost money and time. You may not have enough of either.
I don’t.
hippieinthehills@reddit
What are your sailing goals? Maybe you can scale back. I have a little day sailer that cost me less than a thousand dollars. I’ve spent hundreds of glorious hours on her.
ohthetrees@reddit
We make it work because it isn't a toy. It's our home. If you anchor out (marinas are expensive) and do your own work, it can be cost favorable to living on land. Also, remote work.
hifromtheloo@reddit
Maritime academies often have boats for sale/auction. Some do a charter to purchase scenario where you pay 40% up front, 30% over the term of the charter (usually 3 years), and 30% at the end. It’s sort of a way to do a “loan” but without APR.
If you live aboard your boat, then its maintenance and upkeep can be cheaper than paying rent/mortgage.
I’ve been structuring my life towards the goal of owning my own sailboat to live aboard and cruise for the last ten years.
SlandersPete@reddit
I haven't owned a sailboat, but ive seen people buy 10-25 year old boats, completely remodel the ship themselves, and live off of the passive income the vlogs make.
nylondragon64@reddit
Brand new boats are crazy expensive. You don't say how well iff your job is. What is your sailing experience. New or seasoned?
A 19 footer on a trailer can be had for under 5k. A 80's 30 ft can be had for 25k and under. All depends on condition.
Pirateprincess111@reddit (OP)
Total bloody beginner, no experience at all, but I moved near the coast this year and plan to do a little boatlicense this autumn/winter! „Unfortunately“ I have spent 3/4 of my life savings for a backpacking trip that I saved up for for 8 years, but I’m currently jobless. Have a husband but as I said it took us 8 years to save up for that trip. We didnt buy any furniture, no new clothes, own no car no house, to save up. But the boats on google were like 135k. At this rate it would take another 2 decades if we re lucky. Because I had a job before the backpacking, right now - not. Anyways these comments are very inspiring!! They show there are some boats for less! I thought the old boats would take up so much repair costs that they become as expensive as new ones, I read something like that on reddit, but I see many different stories now. Very inspiring, thanks!
H0LD_FAST@reddit
it sounds like, at your disposable income level, you should be looking for the 20-25' trailer sailors as an affordable entry into the sport. You can buy them as low as 1-2k, with minimal maintenance costs. I bought my race boat, a capri 25 for 4k, and is as much fun as the 100k 42' bluewater boat i bought lol. They go different places...but the smiles are the same.
nylondragon64@reddit
Well i got my 87 pearson31 in 2001 for 18k. Price hasn't changed much for boats of that time. Like said depends on condition. All I really had to do to mine was things i wanted. Not necessarily to do. But i keep it at a marine . Not so cheap. Lets say its like 4k a year average. But a lot of bang for buck and no headaches.
SouthernHiker1@reddit
Older boots can take a lot of money if you want to make them perfect. However, you don’t have to make them perfect. Focus on getting one with a solid motor, decent, rigging and serviceable sails.
My Catalina 22 sails were original, from 1986. They probably should’ve been replaced, but they were not torn and they worked well.
On my current Dufour, most things that I’ve replaced were more out of want than necessity. I paid $12k for her, and I probably spent less than $1000 in the two years on necessary repairs.
These repairs included, re-caulking, the windows and hatches, replacing some of the running rigging (ropes), replacing a failed bilge pump, float switch and pump, a installing a new depth sounder.
The depth sounders was probably not absolutely necessary, but I don’t like sailing without one.
Reasonable_Simple_32@reddit
My father finally died after drinking himself to death for the last ten years. Luckily, he didn’t manage to blow all the money. So I bought a 44 foot Beneteau.
Coloringlamp@reddit
Get a sailing dinghy cheap!
Opcn@reddit
Don’t buy new, buy a smaller boat.
If you buy, a used 26 foot sailboat for $5000 and work a regular job that pays about the median wage in your location and gives you 2 to 4 weeks of vacation a year you can afford to sell that boat back-and-forth in your area for those 2 to 4 weeks for less than the price of flying the family on vacation. A boat that size is small enough to tow with an SUV or a crossover and keep in your driveway or side yard.
964racer@reddit
If you only want to keep a boat for 2 years , then join a sailing club .
rufos_adventure@reddit
our san juan 21 mk ll was $2,000, with motor and trailer. sold it after 5 years of sailing the san juans for $2,000. certain boats reach a value and stay there. some will go for more, some less. obviously it depends on where you live. you have to beat the bushes to find the bargains. i found mine by asking a UPS driver if he saw any for sale in town. mine was buried under blackberry vines. a good cleaning, a service of the motor and we were on the water. fiberglass boats clean up fast. wood boats are a constant maintenance. haven't had an aluminum boat but imagine they are low maintenance as well.
RegattaTimer@reddit
My boat is 16 feet, and I belong to a club where I can store it on a trailer for cheap. Clubs are often cheaper to join than you might imagine, especially if you're young (which I no longer am). Clubs also surround you with boat people, especially if there's one-design racing, and you can make friends who have similar vessels.
Figure out what you want to do with the boat, and buy the smallest thing that will suffice. Costs escalate exponentially with boat length.
Buy a cheap old boat in good shape (very good sails, recent bottom job, very recent standing rigging, no soft spots) and get good at doing maintenance yourself, OR buy a new (or almost brand new) boat, charter it when not using it, and sell it within a few years before you need to replace rigging, sails, the forking engine, etc. If done successfully, the chartering income can largely offset the depreciation.
Don't buy a boat. Rent. Most occasional sailors can charter well-maintained boats more cheaply than owning.
Even cheaper, don't rent. Crew. Depending on what you'd like to be doing, it might make sense to find some people who race, and need regular crew. You can quickly become an MVP if you just show up.
abagofit@reddit
I bought a 34-ft boat that was ready to sail for $9500. It was built in 1972 but solid as a rock. Had an updated Yanmar diesel. It had no creature comforts or modern electronics and would have cost $50,000 to outfit it to cross oceans, but that wasn't my goal. I was just cruising the coast of Maine.
mn198607@reddit
Solution: OPB-Other People's Boats, you get to enjoy the sailboat. Someone else has to worry about paying for it, and doing the repairs
Gadgetman_1@reddit
Most of the sailboats I see on the water never even raise their sails. They probably haven't unfurled them the last couple of years, even.
That's one major cost avoided...
hungrymaori@reddit
Here’s the real answer for you. As a child/teenager I had very supportive parents with upper middle class incomes who could support me. As an adult because of that supportive stable upbringing and the networks I have through sailing I have a good job. I have had no major health issues and don’t have any kids yet so I can afford a boat. I still refuse to buy anything that can’t go on a trailer though because I hate fixed costs like marina fees when I live a busy life. All these people talk about the things they sacrifice to afford their boat which is true to them, but in reality if your choosing to drive an older car to afford a sail boat you’re already in a pretty stable and privileged position. So yeah most people in sailing are well off enough to have some disposable income for a hobby with high entry costs and fixed costs, there’s levels to it, but most people are comfortable financially or they would sell their boat.
AbleBodiedSeamen@reddit
Seasonal or rotational work is a great option, the only problem with affording a boat is then not having the time to enjoy said boat. Personally, I work 5-6 month of the year as a merchant mariner, then I’m sailing for the other 6-7 months. I bought a small boat and saved all my money with the sole goal of buying a larger yacht and by the time you’ve got the funds together for the big boat, then you’ve also got excellent skills honed from your small boat sailing!
Also to echo other comments, do all the work yourself, YouTube is free and user manuals need to be read, the ABYC recommendations are available online so make sure to keep yourself safe!
Enough_Professor_741@reddit
We got a Capri 18 for $2,000. Easy to trailer, can go anywhere coastal or on lakes, and is easy to trailer.
Mehfisto666@reddit
I bought a 29ft sailboat from '78 in north of norway in great conditions for 8k$
I have spent maybe 1-2k in interior stuff, insulation, etc.
I work seasons in norway and live aboard. A place at the marina is about 300$ a mont in the summer and 150$ the other 9months of the year.
A room in a shared house for rent is about 700$ per month if you are lucky enough to find one.
jf727@reddit
Avoid debt. I got a 44 foot steel sailboat for 20 grand in cash on Craigslist and we installed an entire solar electric system ourselves for 6. We lived on it in a mooring field for 4 years. “Rent” was $200. We saved a ton living on a boat. If you do the work yourself it’s a lot cheaper than living on land. I don’t know how people live on land. It’s crazy expensive.
meatsmoothie82@reddit
We spent $3000 on ours, I have put about $1000 into it and a ton of elbow grease. We spend $600/yr for mooring and storage. It’s not cheap but we far from rich
TriXandApple@reddit
I mean the price doesn't really cost anything, other than the depreciation.
The marina fees and maintance costs though...
SpaceShrimp@reddit
You have about as much fun on a 8 meters boat, as on a 12 meters boat. It won't be as comfortable, but it will be much easier to handle and a lot less to worry about. And if you settle with a used 8 meters sailboat, it can get really cheap.
Human_Management8541@reddit
We bought our 1979 Morgan 461 for 20k. Spent 2 years fixing and painting it. We are now sailing the Caribbean instead of sitting in a trailer in a Florida retirement community for 5x that amount.
WhoCalledthePoPo@reddit
I am on boat #8 in my life. It's the biggest one yet (40') and will likely remain so as my wife and I don't see a need to go bigger, at least for now.
I bought the boat when it was twenty and I was fifty. I put 20% down on a 20-year note at 3.25%. The monthly payments are not much more than one might pay for a car. It costs me about $20k a year to keep this thing, including repairs and replacements (sails were a lot), insurance, maintenance, yacht club membership and mooring.
I justify this expense simply - I want to do this and it's important to me, period. My wife and I go places, we usually try to get three weeks liveaboard every season plus near-daily use, weather permitting.
How do I afford it? I'm frugal in other ways. My car is paid for. I rarely eat out. I don't smoke cigarettes anymore, and I don't drink much either. It costs me about $54/day, every day, to have this thing and I feel it is well worth it.
domesystem@reddit
I've been looking at Chrysler Buccaneers. 🤣😂🤣
mike8111@reddit
It's almost always cheaper to rent things than buy them. Most boats sit unused at least 9 months a year, and then go out a few times a month for the other three. Sailboats are no different.
DysClaimer@reddit
it doesn't have to be expensive. I bought a Cal20 for about $1000. There are lots of small sailboats out there that are pretty cheap and yet still perfectly good for sailing, especially if you are new to it and just learning. When I go down to my marina, there are always several boats with for sale signs on them, and a lot of them are pretty cheap and still seem to be safe to sail.
ajohan97@reddit
Buying an older used sailboat is about the same cost as buying a motorcycle. Unless you’re buying a new boat, you don’t need to be rich.
jbowditch@reddit
it's the same answer for owning a horse: have money.
people are gonna downvote me to hell and back and jump on my neck saying there's all kinds of schemes and heists and moves to own a seaworthy sailboat for only $10/mo.
but the answer you're looking for is: have money.
I think the question you should be asking that's more helpful: how does one spend time sailing without affording a sailboat?
now there's lots of good answers to this question that can have you on the water as much as you like for the cost of transportation to the marina.
tyuvanch@reddit
I have really good, 2 friends with sailboats, that is how I can afford. Plus working for the sail yacht industry I get to sail different boats during the season.
Sea_Ad_3765@reddit
It is cheaper to stay aboard on weekends than to do things like movies and restaurants. Change the priorities.
axiom007@reddit
Check the sailing schools/clubs in your area and see if one has an option for a membership where you get access to do day-charters of a boat fleet they maintain. Owning a boat is a very different thing than sailing a boat. Joining beer can races to get time sailing and learning about boats can also be awesome.
Don't buy a boat you can't pay cash for. If you can't afford it, put the money away that you would have put on a boat loan until you can, while learning to sail using other people's boats.
Assume that once you do buy the boat, you will be paying 20% the cost of the boat per-year in maintenance. (On top of loan payments this is another reason not to buy until you can pay cash.)
AndrewOHTXTN@reddit
My friend and I bought a 1975 Catalina 22 for $1,000. We put around $2500 into it and we use it quite often. The biggest expense is a year round marina (on a lake) which runs $3,600 year. All of our expenses are divided by 2.
Mynplus1throwaway@reddit
I got a c22 for $2k. Was in amazing shape for age. I can't afford a slip I trailer it. I don't think I've spent more than $50 for the first year.
EuphoricAd5826@reddit
40 year old boat: only costs $10k-$20k then spend anywhere from 100 to 500 a month on her (some months triple that but rarely)
Terrible_Stay_1923@reddit
Mine has a trailer so if all else fails. I can keep it in my yard. I do my own work and refuse to take out loans on any depreciating assets.
I've learned enough to know what to buy and what to stay away from. I buy end of life fully depreciated cars and equipment and restore them to usable condition. I do all my home maintenance. I do not wear nice clothes or go out to dinner. I do have a huge garden.
I was doing this long before I owned my sailboat and will be continuing like this until I win the lottery or get hit by a gold meteor or take a dirt nap. It is all I have known.
If you think you're going to follow in my footsteps on a whim, you are going to struggle for quite some time, which is the only way to have the confidence to do it my way anyways.
Good luck
Legaladvicepanic@reddit
The old boats are cheap. Keeping it somewhere convenient is what I can't afford >.<
SailingSpark@reddit
I have owned a few smaller sailboats over the years. The only reason I do not own larger is the docking fees. The price to dock my montgomery 17 here at the local state marina is $3000 for the season and another $1500 for the off-season.
Generally, I rent a slip behind somebody's house for $200 a month.
CommitteeLegal3566@reddit
If you have to ask these questions, you shouldn’t own a sailboat
minasmorath@reddit
Well, probably not the answer you were looking for, but my strategy was to consider what I actually wanted out of a boat, and ultimately it made more sense for me to buy a well-loved dinghy instead of a larger day sailer. I honestly think I get more enjoyment out of sailing a small, low-maintenance laser-like (it's a first model Byte with three lines so there's a ton of control) around the smaller lakes and bays in my area than if I had bought a larger boat and had to deal with maintenance.
cwhitel@reddit
You can buy 26ft from the late 80’s/90’s for £5k in the UK, I can’t imagine it would be any different over there.
Advantages of having a little runaround? Minimal upkeep and gives you an idea of what you want/need if you want to upgrade into a proper blue water cruiser.
Hopefully the time between you can figure out a bigger plan and save for the dream.
arbitrageME@reddit
get a trailered boat so you're not paying for marina fees. That limits your size, so you'll be limited to how you use it
or join a yacht club and pay the daily rate. the daily rate might look eye popping, but they're nothing compared to owning outright.
identify what kind of sailing you want to do and pay for a boat that does that only. do you want to go fast? race? then don't get a beneteau 50. A laser will do just fine for you. Sailing to Hawaii from the mainland? Well do you even have a month's vacation saved up? If you do, go for it
Jonwilks@reddit
Co-owning worked out for me. Not everyone’s cup of tea but if it works every thing is 50% off!
Th13027@reddit
You start with a small boat, maybe a day sailer. You buy it from a guy on marketplace. Then you move up to a 30’ boat from the late 80’s/early 90’s. Then when you’re in peak earning years or hit the lottery, you buy something from the same decade you’re in. You don’t buy a 45’ cat first thing (unless you are an obnoxious YouTuber)
DungeonLore@reddit
I think a key thing, this is particularly relevant in today’s world and even more so in the generally consumerism/capitalism centric USA. Truly, for boats I find you NEED to have the hardest conversation with yourself around your needs. Boats are tools first and foremost and people NEED to be honest with what job they need their tool to do. Boating is not especially comfortable compared to living in a house, but people bring expectations of being equally comfortable and all of sudden your into high end boats worth crazy amounts just to go weekend sailing. First be honest with what your needs, are not wants, but needs, and then find the boat that meets those needs. At which point, you can truly answer if you can afford what you need or not. Everyone would love a expensive boat that meets their wants but in doing so, you self select out or go broke, but if you are honest with what the job you need to do, and how to meet those needs, you’ll have the truest picture. At the end of the day the experience is pretty comparable from a 30k small sailboat to a 2million dollar catamaran, just less comfortable.
ozamia@reddit
My first sailboat was small, and cost the equivalent of around US$2000. My second was larger and cheaper, due to some aesthetic damage on the interior. My current sailboat was quite a bit more expensive, but still "only" around US$12k, and in very good shape. The yearly operating cost, everything included, is about US$2500. It's not cheap, but I don't drink, don't travel, don't smoke, don't gamble. I have a cheap car. It's fine!
Intelligent_Hat_5351@reddit
That's the fun part, you don't!
CH1974@reddit
Sailboats are cheap, it's the moorage and maintenance that really get ya. We sacrificed vacations and a lot of other things to own old shitty classic plastic boats. A boat would cost 10k but 7k a year in moorage and maintenance. Not even factoring in your time spent keeping the thing up to basic safety standards and running. You got to really love it, and live in a great place to cruise/race to justify imo.
BenderRodriquez@reddit
You need to love DYI and buying stuff. Boat cost 10k and just upgrading stuff was another 5k. Then a couple of grand for harbor fees. Boats are a depreciatingc asset so won't get back initial investment, but I don't care since it's not about the money.
terrordactylUSA@reddit
Get a smaller boat. You can get an older flying scot for relatively cheap and they don't require much. Even an older day sailer. You don't have to get a yacht.
InquisitivelyADHD@reddit
If you only want a boat for 2 years, join a sailing club and just pay two years worth of dues. It'll be way more cost effective for you.
Sunburnedslayer@reddit
My first sailboat, Grampian 26, was cheaper than my first car.
Parking my first boat for a year was more than I've paid parking cars my whole life.
I was working at a grocery store when I bought it.
reddittiswierd@reddit
My boat was $2900.
JustCryptastic@reddit
I do as much of my own boat work as possible, and am not afraid to learn new things / trades in order to accomplish that. I invest in tools and materials whereby I can reduce project costs down the road as opposed to paying someone else for their T&M.
Also, I still drive the same Jeep from 2004 where my friends and family have bought 4-5 different vehicles over that same time (which equates to about $150k-250k over that same time period). That got me in the door.
Lastly, I am really disciplined at putting money away / investing which increases my odds of being able to disconnect to cruise and handling unanticipated boat costs.
Wish I was a trust fund baby, but I wasn't born into that kind of life.
Vok250@reddit
This subreddit got tunnel vision on yachting once it crossed the 500k subscriber mark. That's just one aspect of sailing. An old Sunfish won't cost you more than a couple cases of beer a year. Also many yachters are filthy rich. Can't even get a membership at a club like RVYC without already knowing two current members who can sponsor you and even then you have to go through a crazy interview process. It's very much an old boys club at the upper levels of this hobby. Even out here on the east coast where you can join a club using an online form you'll find that most members are doctors, lawyers, etc. You can definitely yacht on the cheap, but get used to never comparing yourself to others and get used to doing a lot of work yourself.
ProfessionalBee4228@reddit
I bought a 1975 Ericcson in LA for $5200. I had it for a year. I did a little maintenance here and there, and then sold it for $5700.
The slip fee was \~$400 a month.
It's very possible. Just go for an older boat with good bones and recent bottom paint.
zamalou@reddit
Bought a 20ft etap from 82 with a the trailer for 3k€, arguably the price of the trailer alone. It cost near to nothing to keep it in my garden and use it 3 times a year. No harbor tax year long, only the insurance. And even there, I reduce it to bare minimum when at home. It's amazing how it doesn't wear off when it doesn't stay on the water year round. And I see my boat every day, and maintenance is really easy. 😁
NPHighview@reddit
Whenever I get the urge, I take a "sailing lesson". I've done so in Lake Michigan, in the Chesapeake, San Diego, and Lake Tahoe (the last is by far my favorite). Generally the "instructor" says "are you OK getting us out of the slip / harbor?" By the time I've demonstrated that I can do that, they generally go below for a nap.
Same thing for RV-based excursions. We rent.
Now, I do have a 14-foot Coleman canoe hanging on the wall in our back yard. That's a sentimental acquisition and keepsake.
11hammer@reddit
You can buy a boat for less than 5000$
TexPerry92@reddit
Go find some old guy that cant sail by themselves anymore but still want to go. You learn and dont have to pay. Might work out a personal payment plan.
eight13atnight@reddit
If you’re only thinking a couple of years you might consider a sailing club. You’ll get access to a boat and lots of experience to see if you’re truly dedicated to the hobby.
Or, I actually joined up with a couple of guys and shared the expense. We all had access and would sail together but sometimes just let each other know if we wanted to take a special lady out for an afternoon.
Matter of fact I’m still interested in partnership/sharing but my partner’s all bounced to cali. If you’re in the nyc area and interested give a holler.
WolfgangHoyer@reddit
15 years ago I spent $3000 for my 1976 Allmand HMS23 . I bought a new mainsail for 650 and new standing rigging for 400. Every three or four years I replace the running rigging for 100 and bottom paint for a 100. Trailer tires were a thousand because I haul it all over the place. My biggest expense has been gas to drag it everywhere. Oh, and beer...
wishiwasntyet@reddit
It’s a very expensive way to move around for free.
Realistic_Cover8925@reddit
I got mine for free. Only expense is moorage and the occasional light bulb or epoxy etc.
ysaw@reddit
I'm a sailtime member. Which is definitely NOT CHEAP but it's a lot less that owning anything approaching a comparable boat in San Francisco (I would say it's close to just the cost of slip and maintence for a 38 ft boat in fact), and it's also just one payment and I don't worry about anything that might come up
1have2much3time@reddit
Yep. Less than 3,000 a year at my club and I can take a boat out whenever I want. No slip fees, no maintenance, no insurance.
I wouldn’t even consider buying my own boat unless I had the time to take it out for months at a time.
ImpressiveFault8542@reddit
Bought a 3k sailboat, do all maintenance my self. Marina cost about 5500/year.
I make about 75,000 a year and I just prioritize the boat in my life. Like I drive very rarely so I save a lot of money on fuel and I don't eat out very much but it's all about priorities I'd much rather make memories on my sailboat than eat at a fancy restaurant or go out for drinks.
25 foot oday, with a 9.9hp outboard. We sailed the coast of British Columbia up into desolation sound last summer
False-Character-9238@reddit
Get a survey.
Also remember wind is free
M_K_S____@reddit
If you want it bad enough you can do it on a modest/average income. Though you will likely pay in sweat instead of dollars. I share a boat with two friends (25 footer on a freshwater lake) and after all fees and everything the total cost of ownership (including slip, maintenance, haul out and storage etc) is around 10k a year. Or about 3.5k each a year. We bought our boat at the end of the season for 2k, right before everyone had to haul for winter - this gave us massive leverage on the price (about a 70% price reduction).
Granted. The boat isn’t fancy, and we do the work ourselves. The boat isn’t perfect and has some issues, but it floats and is good enough for lake sailing. It can absolutely be done. Go for 70s-80s boats and keep it under 30 feet. Price of everything goes up shockingly fast as you add on each foot.
If you want a Blue Water boat, then I’m not sure. That’s something I’m trying to figure out myself for the future.
captainMaluco@reddit
Me and a friend went halfsies on our first boat! We payed 10k SEK (around a thousand dollars) each, and had a blast with that boat!
It was a 24 foot long boat built in the seventies, large enough to sleep 4 people, if one of them was short. His girlfriend was so that worked out nicely!
I don't consider that kind of money to be the domain of the filthy rich, but maybe I just grew up wealthy and have a skewed perspective?
MapleDesperado@reddit
I’m fortunate enough to live in a city with a thriving co-op sailing community. It’s dinghies and beach cats, so I’m not living aboard or cruising, but we have an avid training and race program. Great for developing the sailing skills!
ATworkATM@reddit
Sail on other peoples boats as much as you can. Be there best crew mate and you will get many hours on the water. Help them with maintenance and learn about the boats and what it actually takes to own one.
procentjetwintig@reddit
Keep it 2 years? Just rent a boat when you want to go out. Probably cheaper.
jvrodrigues@reddit
I can comfortably afford my sailboat... however I work 16 hour days and cannot spend any time in it.
sailorsail@reddit
We are all billionaires over here, you got any grey poupon?
smckenzie23@reddit
I'm in a sailing club. It gives me access to a Catalina 30 and a fleet of dinghies. Here is the yearly cost breakdown in CAD .
So $776/year ($568 USD) gets me access to:
Above that there is a fee for taking out the Catalina. In the high season that is $90/day or $60 from 2pm on to take out the keelboat.
It is pretty cheap for access to a ton of fun boats. On top of that, I crew on a different boat for races, and usually sail one or two times per week on that boat.
steelerector1986@reddit
That’s crazy cheap for that much access to boats! The clubs near me with club boats are all $1200-2000 for family memberships
smckenzie23@reddit
Yeah, our boats are older... we do all the work ourselves, so they aren't perfect. Heh. And as a club, we are both a non-prifit and pretty broke. But we do try to hold the costs down.
alsargent@reddit
100% this… joining a sailing club that gives you access to professionally maintained boats is the way to go. Cheaper and more sailing time.
I see it like gym membership — you don’t haul all your weights into a gym every time, you use theirs. The analogy is closer than you think when you consider how much heavy metal is in both workout machines and a boat (lead keel).
alsargent@reddit
OP, since you’d like to sail across the Pacific (a great goal btw), I’d suggest crewing for someone with a boat, whom you can learn from. Boat owners continually are looking for crew to help them sail the boat. For instance, it’s hard to both steer and pull sails up/in/down — you need an extra set of hands. Find someone you get along well with, is knowledgeable and calm (some sailors are yellers), help them out, and you’ll learn a ton.
Like you, I want to do more ocean sailing, eg Transpac race to Hawaii. But I’m not buying a boat to do that — I’m crewing on boats so that someone who can afford it can have me on their team. Much better way to go.
dixxxon12@reddit
I bought a trailer sailor Macgregor 25 a few years back for $4000, put between $500-1000 of love into it. Haven't had to do too much since.
Last year a guy sold me another trailer sailor, a Boston Whaler Harpoon 5.2 for $300 with a good hull and brand new sails, but the lower unit on the motor is busted, and I'm over $1000 into running rigging, shackles, cleats etc. To rebuild the wood seats to original will be a costly project im sure. Haven't sailed it yet but we did raise the mast and sails.
Keep your eye out for deals, and always research to know what fixes are going to be dealbreakers for you. If you're willing to get a little bit handy and dig into the wallet and toolbox I think just about anybody could get into a decent sailboat.
I started from scratch and had only been on a sailboat once before, I hope you are able to pull it off 👍🏼
Decent-Product@reddit
As the saying goes: "If you have to ask what it costs to run a yacht, you cannot afford one". Sad, but true. It's an expensive toy.
tobdomo@reddit
Some 20 years ago I bought a dingy, a Simoun 445. On a trailer. Paid way too much for the number of times we used it and sold it after 3 seasons.
Now, we rent: 1k/week for a Bavaria 31, including everything but diesel and marina. Or we rent a Fox-22 here locally, roughly 100 for a day, including everything. No hassle, no insurance, no maintenance, no nothing.
Maybe we'll buy something in a couple of years once we have more time. I saw a 1974 Contest 33 in very good condition the other day for 16k, including almost new sails (2023) and a lot of gadgets which sounds fantastic. But it's too much of a hassle for now.
PckMan@reddit
They are expensive. Most people who have one are rich, and those that aren't either have very small boats or they've made it a priority in their lives to own the boat. Let's exclude sailing dinghies like lasers for a moment and assume we're talking about a 25' sailboat or thereabouts. One with a cabin and capable of sleeping people overnight.
Costs can vary wildly depending on the exact boat and your area but generally speaking at the lowest it's like owning an expensive-ish car. But unlike cars where depending on how much you use them servicing can be a rare occasion with boats there's a minimum amount of maintenance that you need to do each year and it's mandatory even if you only take it out a few times per year. So it's definitely an upper middle class and higher thing.
A lot of people who have boats without being rich often use their boats to produce income to cover its costs. They rent it out and themselves as captains so they get to sail for free, only compromise being they have to be with other people they don't know and cater to their schedule. Some even live on their boats so the money that would normally go towards a house or a car goes to the boat. They also do a lot of the work on it themselves which keeps costs as low as possible.
Generally speaking buying a boat for 2 years is not a good idea. The better option is to just get a sailing license and rent sailboats. Assuming you're with at least 4-6 other people (because otherwise why bother), costs can be around the same per person as if you were just staying at a hotel somewhere, but instead of paying for the hotel you're paying for the boat. Then you give it back and it's someone else's problem.
steelerector1986@reddit
I paid $1900 for my boat and I’ve put about $2500 back into it getting it refit the way I want it, including a newer outboard and a new mainsail. It’s an older 23’ trailerable boat so it has enough cabin for weekend+ trips with the family, but it’s not really big or heavy enough to do serious sailing.
My plan right now is to sail it for a season or two and upgrade to a bigger boat that I can start to do more/longer trips on. Hopefully in the process I can hook a friend enough for them to buy my small boat.
Planterizer@reddit
Open up Facebook marketplace. Search Sailboat and set your max price to $3000.
These are the boats you can probably afford in the near term. You might be surprised at what you can get for that price.
smittyplusplus@reddit
There are a lot of people who sell older used boats for cheap (or free, though beware), because they just need to be done with it.Maybe they also got it cheap, used, got years of use out of it, and now want to hand it off to get out from under the moorage and maintenance costs, or the pressure to upkeep it etc.
danielt1263@reddit
My first boat... A neighbor was using a Sunfish as yard decoration and told me I could have it if I dug it out of her yard. I did.
I had to buy a sail and a piece of wood to make a daggerboard. Maybe $100. And I was on the water. Was she pretty? Absolutely not, but she didn't sink and I learned a lot.
My most recent boat. A Topcat K4X which I bought new for $10k after saving up for a while. I store it in my garage so there's no fee associated with just having it like a bigger boat would have.
drroop@reddit
I'm middle class.
I bought my boat for $4000. Like used car money.
It costs me $200/month to keep, mainly for the slip. Which is the difference between a newer car and the teenaged hooptie I drive. I'd rather drive a teenaged rust bucket to the marina than a shiney new car nowhere. It becomes about what you value. I see people driving shiney cars, and I question their values, or how they can afford that. I see people with big boats and I don't question their values, just how they can afford it.
MARDERSounds@reddit
My father is sharing his boat with 3 other good friends of him. So that way they split the cost of everything by 4. But it is only a daysailor though and only 7meters long on our small lake. He is dreaming for big boats his whole life and though he doesn't earn bad he wont be able to afford a big boat in his lifetime. Meanwhile we enjoy our small boat on the weekends and go on charter boats once or twice a year!
deadlizardqueen@reddit
Piracy 🏴☠️
WestCartographer9478@reddit
Cut out the middle man and live on it full time. Its what i do 🤷♂️
Morall_tach@reddit
Depends on the boat, what you want to do with it, and if you have a place to keep it. It could cost the same to buy and maintain as a car, or it could cost the same as a house (or several).
SmileLoveHappy@reddit
Line of credit
SDN_stilldoesnothing@reddit
sailing is as expensive as you make it.
markforephoto@reddit
Just bought my first boat an older Catalina 30 for 5k. I don’t make a lot of money but I also don’t spend a lot of money. Life is short and this is something I love to do, as long as I don’t go into debt or hurt myself financially I see this as an investment in myself
kev-lar70@reddit
In my area, you can buy a Cal25 for $3k, sail/race it for 2 years, then sell it for $3k. Set your expectations to your budget. It's like cars - you don't need Bugatti money to buy a used Kia.
hypnotoad23@reddit
Partnerships! I couldn’t afford the boat I wanted by myself, nor could my partner. Together we bought the boat we both wanted and everything is now 50% off!
DarkVoid42@reddit
i just put aside money for 14 years then plunked out $1.1m to buy mine.
SnooFoxes5258@reddit
Everything scales. My smallest dinghy costs 800 and has 0 maintenance needs but as you get larger so do expenses the 28ft hunter impala is 8k and costs approx. 500 annually. This expends as the boat gets bigger or the location changes
TLDR: bigger yachts cost more than small dinghies also depends on location and services in your area.
ColteesCatCouture@reddit
What kinda dinghy do you have. I want a laser but im not sure if i could flip it back up if I turtled and i want a boat a little bigger than a sunfish
Jalopnicycle@reddit
Tie a buoy to the top of the mast. It should work with smaller boats.
SnooFoxes5258@reddit
I have a topper, though I have sailed a lazer and was able to right it and I’m built like a twig so unless you’re flat Stanley you should be fine
Slimslade33@reddit
I see tons of working sailboats for under 5k where I am... If you only want to keep it for 2 years its perfect. Keep it for 2 years and either upgrade it or sell it or get another one... No reason to spend 50k when literally people give them away for free...
SouthernHiker1@reddit
I paid $4000 for my 1986 Catalina 22. I spent about 4000 in maintaining her over the two years I owned her. I sold her for five. I paid $12,000 for my 1975 Dufour 31. I probably spent $8000 in upgrades, maintenance and Marina fees in the two years I’ve owned her. So it’s a little over $300 a month.
I could spend less than I’m currently spending now, but I’m working to make my Dufour really comfortable.
Also, you will get offered lots of free boats if you hang around marinas as well. If you’re handy, you can do quite a lot of work on the boat on your own. I know everyone says that there’s nothing more expensive than a free boat. But depending on the boat and what your goals are, you can find some free boats that are serviceable.
brufleth@reddit
We don't. We belong to a club that owns the boats we get to use.
seamore555@reddit
Would you like a free sailboat? It must be affordable if it’s free right?
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retrobob69@reddit
I paid 700 for mine. Had to fix it up a bit
teganking@reddit
2 years? you should just join a club and go boating as needed
https://myfreedomboatclub.com/
comfortablydumb2@reddit
I recently bought a 1990 Hunter 27 for a very affordable price. I spent some money on upgrades.
It’s nothing fancy, but it has everything I need to live comfortably over the weekend.
I do get tired of seeing these videos on social media where people say “come see how we live on our boat” and it ends up being an insanely expensive boat.
oudcedar@reddit
Older boats aren’t that expensive at all. The restoration and maintenance is very expensive in a mixture of effort, materials, professional help and parking. Work on location for cheapest parking and your own skill to reduce the professional help needed.
PlanetMcFly@reddit
My Catalina 18 Capri cost me $5k including the trailer. I probably spend $2500 per year on her, storage, mooring and maintenance. It’s all cash.
It’s a tiny boat and I wish we had something bigger, but expense-wise it’s been the perfect boat.
HiramAb1ff@reddit
My 1969 CAL 29 was 4K. Save up buy old buy small. (Also a cheap boat could mean an expensive boat, get your boat inspected before buying).
Accomplished-Guest38@reddit
My Catalina 22 was $1500 with a trailer and small outboard motor. I do all the maintenance myself, storage is $900/year, mooring is $400.
d13robot@reddit
I bought mine for 800, that included the motor and trailer
Pirateprincess111@reddit (OP)
Whattt incredible! When I googled they were all like 100k, 135k, once I saw like 50k but everyone said you’ll have spend double the amount to repair it first. Love that!! Thanks!
zoinkability@reddit
I mean, a 50-135k yacht is an entirely different class of boat from a 14 foot dinghy.
It's like the difference between a camping tent and a vacation home. You can have nice vacation time in either, but the experience and costs are entirely different.
If you don't have a lot of money, a dinghy on a trailer is definitely the way to go. The initial cost is minimal ($500 to $5k depending on the dinghy), the maintenance costs are small (I'd ballpark $50-$250 per year), you don't have moorage/slip/marina fees, and the physical work to do any repairs and maintenance is much smaller (fewer things to break, hull is smaller so easier to clean/paint/etc., lines shorter, sails smaller and cheaper, etc.)
The main things to know about dinghy sailing is that it's more physically demanding (your body is the ballast so you need to be very active in keeping the boat upright as you sail), often more wet, it can be a hassle to rig and unrig each time you want to sail, and you usually can't sleep/cook/etc. in the boat so it's a daysailer (or beach camping sailer) rather than something you can use as a home away from home.
Moist-Mess5144@reddit
What kind of boats are you googling??? If your only criteria are to have sails and float, you can get an EXTREMELY cheap small sailboat. If you're looking for something you can live on, it's more expensive. Depending on the level of discomfort and inconvenience you can deal with, you can still get a fairly cheap sailboat you can live on.
Look up the sailing channel sailing good bad and ugly. They paid 5k for their boat and put about 10k into it, and sailed all through the Caribbean. They have since done a more extensive refit, but that's how they started.
Anstigmat@reddit
Think about all those RVs you pass on the highway. Those things cost 2-3x what a pretty nice 1980s mid-size sailboat costs, plus they usually are towed by an 80k truck. Look at all those shiny fishing boats down in FL, many of those are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Sailing even a small boat can be 'expensive' but it's all relative. There are lots of people who make pretty good money, and lots of people who don't make much but like to spend it on their hobby. Some of us don't have kids!
doeswaspsmakehoney@reddit
Ever since I sailed for the first time I have dreamed of owning a sailboat.
Going on 12 years now, we have made some investments that turned out to be quite good, and we have finally bought a sailboat, 2020 model.
It is great, but I was in my forties by the time I could afford one without cramping my economy.
I’m by no stretch rich, but have enough saved up to handle the cost of investment.
Moral of the story, if you want your dream boat you have to save up for a long time. Do not borrow more than you can handle. Rent a boat is also an option.
AdFamous8738@reddit
I’m not rich, just a middle class job but I bought an older 36 footer that sleeps 6 in excellent condition for 50k. You can borrow against your 401k and pay yourself back, use a home equity loan, or find bank financing. I realize these things may not be feasible for everyone, but in order to afford a larger boat in good condition, assets help.
As far as maintenance is concerned, well, that’s why I tell people not to buy a boat. If you’re not as passionate about maintaining the boat as you are about sailing it that it’s not for you unless you’re incredibly rich personally I enjoy the boat maintenance and get a sense of satisfaction out of being self-reliant.
ppitm@reddit
Upkeep costs for an engineless trailerable boat are negligible, even a traditional wooden one like mine. Keeping the trailer running and insured is most of the cost, not the boat.
A boat that stays in the water has to pay rent. Even if you have a mooring that is in good shape, it has to stay on land in the winter. At a minimum, a specialized truck needs to deliver it to your driveway. And you need to scrape and repaint the bottom quite regularly. Engines are a whole separate headache, bearing in mind that you probably have a motor on your dinghy too.
SharkOnGames@reddit
1) Have your parents buy the boat
2) The rest of the family (kids) share the cost of mooring/maintenance and running it.
Seo_Incheon@reddit
One aspect no one has talked about yet regarding non-trailerable boats is that besides maintenance, repairs, registration and insurance, the biggest cost items are docking fees and hauling in/out in wintertime. Here on the Great Lakes, these can easily be $3,000 to $5,000 (or more) annually for a 27’ boat. Of course that also depends on the marina. Our sailboat was $5k when we bought it 14 years ago but prices of docking have been creeping up substantially over time.
fjm200@reddit
Def go used, lot if great boats out there. On the other hand, buying a new boat nowadays is really something for the rich. I mean i dont event get why boatmaker keep making these expensive boats. Back in the day, you could get a Seascape 24 for example (around 2015) for about 50k with all extras. Nowadays, you need to put down 100k atleast for a First 24 SE. Dont even get me started on the 27. I know, that there has been some inflation, but people dont make double of what they used to back in 2015 so like come on.
foilrider@reddit
I mean, you want the real answer?
Sea-Nique@reddit
Buy an older boat, do all the work on it yourself.
I have an older Catalina 30 (1978) that I got back in 2018 for about $10k. I've done all the maintenance on her myself, but between marina fees and supplies I'm in for between $5-$10k per year. I have a more extensive engine rebuild on the horizon, or even a repower. So that will be an expensive year...
I'm just looking for something to get out on with my young family and enjoy the water. I'm not racing or going anywhere in a hurry, so I don't mind the sails being older. We do everything from lunch sails to week long cruises. The kids love it, and the family time is really the absolute best aspect of it.
bright_yellow_vest@reddit
You should probably mention what size boat you want and what type of sailing you intend to do with it
vballbeachbum1@reddit
Got a 1974 Catalina 27 for 4k. 16 months ago. Replaced the inboard myself 3k. Some new electronics and grill 1.5k. Sail almost daily and overnight at Catalina Island about once a month in April - October . Redondo Beach slip fees 450 month.
hertzsae@reddit
I don't own a boat. I'm in a reasonably priced sailing co-op that owns a bunch of boats. The members that want to take the boats out all donate their time to perform jobs that need to be done.
Some members of the club also travel and those of us with a bit more of time and money split the costs of chartering a boat that we live on for around what we'd pay for a hotel rooms.
Available_Bowler2316@reddit
My dream boat just came up on FB marketplace. 18', jib, genny, main, cuddy big enough for a cozy overnight.... $3500.
Look around. Sailboats are a hard sell, and older, smaller boats are dirt cheap.
isreddittherapy@reddit
Its like 20k for a decent sized one. Its less than most cars but def harder to finance.
AkumaBengoshi@reddit
It's not that expensive if you don't want anything fancy.