LTT 9060 XT review (This Was Supposed to be a Happy Day)
Posted by Chairman_Daniel@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 99 comments
Posted by Chairman_Daniel@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 99 comments
SherbertExisting3509@reddit
Nvidia sets the market prices, and AMD is the market follower who sets a price close to the market leader.
This was the status quo for the past drew years until Intel entered the market with their B580 gaming GPU. If Intel stays in the GPU market and keeps releasing new gpu's and Arc Celestial it will disrupt the market.
Make no mistake, this is not out of the goodness of Inrel's heart. Their GPU division has to aggressively compete to gain market share or the entire Arc Division risks being cut entirely as Intel is short on money at the moment
MrNegativ1ty@reddit
AMD is little more than Nvidia in slow motion while they grift and pretend like they give a shit about the "average gamer".
kikimaru024@reddit
AMD gave the "average gamer" a console as powerful as this mid-range GPU for 500 bucks (PS5 / Xbox Series X).
Strazdas1@reddit
No they didnt. It wasnt as powerful as a mid range GPU from that time.
kikimaru024@reddit
The consoles are as powerful as the $479 RX6700 XT with extra RT & more RAM available (shared with system).
What world are you living in where a ~$500 GPU isn't mid-range?
Strazdas1@reddit
you do realize the 6700xt is not as powerful as a midrange card, yes?
kikimaru024@reddit
6700 XT was as powerful as RTX 3070, which is a midrange card too.
Unless you want to convince me that RTX 3080 in 2020 wasn't high-end.
Strazdas1@reddit
No it wasnt. It was only competing if you were using outdated testing suotes without RT/Upscalers.
MonoShadow@reddit
And nVidia gave us an affordable handheld back in the day. Except it wasn't nVidia or AMD, it was MS, Sony and Nintendo.
kikimaru024@reddit
I wouldn't call the Switch "affordable", [it was decidedly mid-range price](https://old.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1jqn9j9/nintendo_consoles_release_price_against_todays/); especially when compared to Game Boy series, GBA & DS (but not 3DS).
Vb_33@reddit
3ds was $250 in 2011. Switch was a far better system and massively more powerful than that 2 screen toaster.
kikimaru024@reddit
{System released 6 years later is more powerful}
Wow, such insight!
SomniumOv@reddit
AMD made that product because they could make it on MS and Sony's dime, and right now they are building UDNA also because they can make it on MS and Sony's money too. Because that's what they do.
shugthedug3@reddit
Console hardware is heavily subsidised
kikimaru024@reddit
And?
PS3 was about equivalent to 7800 GTX, which would've been demolished by the mid-range ($200-250) killer 8800 GT ("the only GPU that matters") 11 months later.
PS4 was so weak you could get a $149 GPU that was as powerful just 3 months later (Radeon HD 7850 == Radeon R7 265)
shugthedug3@reddit
I'm addressing your claim they 'gave' people a $500 console which simply isn't true.
You cannot compare console hardware prices to PC components for the simple reason that you do not pay what the console hardware actually costs.
no_user_name_person@reddit
Sold at a loss so that they can recoup the cost on subscriptions and games.
Andr0id_Paran0id@reddit
While I agree with you to a point, AMD at least offers a much wider range of products compared to Nvidia. Pretending to care is at least better than forget you exist.
Strazdas1@reddit
they offer less wide range of products though. They only offer mid to low end.
Klutzy-Residen@reddit
They have to care because their market share is so low. Nvidia is happy to only have the high margin GPUs.
Just look at what has happened to Ryzen where AMD killed off entry level Ryzen 3 and prosumer Theadripper once they started competing properly.
shalol@reddit
Intel has done nothing to change the status quo with the B580. They made less than a percent of total market sales in dGPU.
Strazdas1@reddit
Expecting newcomer to take significant market share in what is essentially their first real realease is silly. It will take many generations to claw market share.
Muaddib_Portugues@reddit
Intel needs to make a 5060 ti equivalent at -20% of the price to be worth considering.
knighofire@reddit
Intel ain't any better. The B580 was solid value when it launched, but now that new gen cards came out it has no place in the market. The 5060 is 25% faster at 1080p (which both cards target), drains 25% less power (145 vs 190W TDP), has much better upscaling, better RT, and better drivers.
It doesn't really make sense for anyone.
Vb_33@reddit
12GB and price is what makes the B580 (when u can find it for MSRP) competitive.
Kurgoh@reddit
Sure, never seen a b580 at msrp literally anywhere though.
DerpSenpai@reddit
The B580 barely offers better FPS per dollar vs the 9060 XT
piesou@reddit
That's because there's no stock. It's really just ~~crypto~~ AI disrupting the market. Yet again.
Vb_33@reddit
I don't think people are buying B580s in droves for AI.
piesou@reddit
It's AI taking away capacity at TSMC. Supply is overall terrible for all vendors.
buildzoid@reddit
B580s compete for manufacturing capacity with Nvidia's AI accelerators just like all other gaming GPUs.
balaci2@reddit
technically 24gb for cheap unless you go for a used 3090?
SherbertExisting3509@reddit
I bet Intel is building up a supply of G21 cards for the Arc Pro B60 and B60 Dual to support Battlematrix.
slowpard@reddit
"Just don't smuggly tell yourself that you're supporting the good guy, because AMD's actions speak much louder than their words, and they seem content to just draft behind Nvidia, both in good ways and bad, rather than aggressively jump out in front to delight PC gamers who don't have $800 plus dollars to spend on a GPU"
evangelism2@reddit
Tech reddit needs to hear this so so much. The launch MSRP shenanigans and now this. AMD on top would be so much worse than Nvidia. Look at the games they play now with their pathetic market share.
loozerr@reddit
It's interesting how pointing out a bad Nvidia practice rakes in upvotes but doing the same for amd tends to be controversial.
It's not sports where you should cheer for your team whatever happens. Or it could be if teams are consumers and corporations.
Vb_33@reddit
It's just human tribalism. We do it for anything that can have a group identity we can belong to, not just sports teams.
RTukka@reddit
I think there's also a misguided notion floating around that the consumer is responsible for keeping AMD viable against Nvidia so there's some semblance of competition.
Calientequack@reddit
I've seen comments here before that said we need to buy AMD to keep nvidia in check. like what the fuck lol
RTukka@reddit
I understand the sentiment, because monopolies are ultimately very bad for consumers.
But that's not a problem that consumers can really solve, nor are we meant to.
It's AMD's responsibility to create appealing products that people want to buy.
As far as unfair trade practices and anti-consumer activity goes, again, that's not our responsibility. Governments are supposed to keep that shit in check. That's a "vote with your vote" thing, not a "vote with your wallet" thing.
Strazdas1@reddit
monopolies can be more efficient than competitors when properly regulated, for certain services. I dont think this applies to GPUs, but it does apply to for example public transport. So a broad "monopolies always bad" is also a bad take.
RTukka@reddit
... sure. I was speaking of retail markets in general and the GPU market in specific.
But yes. Natural monopolies exist.
BoreJam@reddit
How is it controversial? i have seen at least 20 different posts across different subs, even on r/AMD and r/radeon blasting this.
polski8bit@reddit
I particularly loved when people were praising AMD so much, because they're "not stingy with VRAM".
Fast forward to 2025 and AMD literally copies Nvidia and says that most gamers have no need for more than 8GBs. Which isn't necessarily wrong, it just shows where their priorities lie. And they're certainly not 100% on the consumer side of things, even if they can't screw us over as much as Team Green - but only because they lack the market share to do so anyway.
Gatortribe@reddit
Not stingy with VRAM, open sourcing software long before Nvidia did, not vendor locking many features. It's nice that they did these things in the past, but people need to open their eyes and realize it was all done as a cheap and easy win. Not enough of a win, as made obvious by the market share, but enough to stay relevant in enthusiast circles when they had nothing else.
i know it'll never happen, but I wish people would stop pretending a multi billion dollar corporation has anything other than their wallet in mind.
Strazdas1@reddit
Open sourcing is done mostly because they didnt have the the software engineers in house to make features work properly. Vulcan is known as really hard API to code for for example.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
"Not stingy with VRAM is bullshit. They take the exact same tier of card with the same VRAM, the wait for Nvidia to launch, then price it cheaper. That's it
MdxBhmt@reddit
It's like you ignored half of the post you are answering.
theholylancer@reddit
yeah like, when they cant compete with DLSS with FSR, or prior to that with raw grunt when the 1080/ti shit down their throats, they played that card.
Like their X3D launch practices should have already clued people in when the best 7/9800X3D chips are launched later to hook the rich to buy beyond what they need esp with the salvage die 7/9900X3D, but now their GPU should cement that fact in people's minds.
ESP as they finally made the investment in die area / transistor count to allow for better RT and actual improvements to FSR that can compete with DLSS / FG on the same level just missing MFG.
conquer69@reddit
But there is a gpu with more vram just $50 away. Nvidia charges an extra $130 for it.
Vb_33@reddit
AMD 9060XT 8GB is $300 MSRP
9060XT 16GB is $350 MSRP
Nvidia 5060ti 8GB is $380 MSRP
5060ti 16GB is $430 MSRP
$430-380= $50
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
Thats just corporate bias. No corporation is good with a monopoly and is healthy that way. And any corpo will do the shady shit no matter how pathedic they become. Ask thay how intel treated their cpus last 4 years
angry_RL_player@reddit
It's the most annoying part of this GPU discourse. We're being fed shit on all sides, but one side wants to believe they're consumer activists and use the other side's shittiness to cover up theirs.
PorchettaM@reddit
I mean, it's not like "the other side" are very interested in consumer activism either. It's all just people flinging shit at each other to justify their purchases, cherrypicking whatever information is convenient.
angry_RL_player@reddit
Yeah they’re not but it’s pretty much understood that the situation sucks. Still beats being self-righteous hypocrites using consumer activism as a pretense.
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
Just like nvidia dont giving two craps to consumer gpus. Amd is on the same boat. The demand for threadrippers and epyc just melts any future fab allocation for radeon and considering how tsmc prices future allocations and big players like apple and intel wanting in early on new fabs. Yea its cooked they would rather cut radeon supply to a minimal amount and with what they have. Slot on a expensive but just enough nvidia prices to rake in as much money possible. Thry make shareholders much happier that way. The only problem is console revenue is crashing too
Imaginary-Falcon-713@reddit
Obligatory down vote for all things linus
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shugthedug3@reddit
So we got weeks of fizzing outrage from every Tech YouTuber about being denied 8GB 5060/Ti and yet AMD were doing the same thing?
LTT refused to even give 5060Ti 16GB a proper review because of this shitty behaviour.
angry_RL_player@reddit
Coincidentally the biggest outrage techtubers in HUB and GN got their hands on the 9060 8GB while others didn't.
Are you guys not seeing the pattern yet.
Thingreenveil313@reddit
Are you trying to insinuate that AMD assumed GN would give it a good review? They didn't. Steve said the 8GB 9060 is a bad deal at it's marketed price point.
And as I said elsewhere, HUB had the "at MSRP" and "if AMD can keep up supply" caveats for their recommendation of the 16GB card. They also roasted AMD's comments on "most gamers only need 8GB cards" tweet.
deadfishlog@reddit
Yes but where is the sensationalist video with BIG POUTY FROWNY FACE thumbnail with same tshirt?! Where!
Thingreenveil313@reddit
Great news: The HUB review with Steve grimacing in the thumbnail was uploaded today lmao
deadfishlog@reddit
lmfao I saw it and was impressed! I can’t believe it finally happened! 😅
SupportDangerous8207@reddit
I mean it was still a positive spin compared to how those outlets treat Nvidia
Amd Msrp is a straight up lie
When Nvidia had supply shortages which are actually now resolved they didn’t shy away from saying that
But with amd there is still benefit of the doubt
Thingreenveil313@reddit
Saying a card is bad value at it's advertised MSRP is really bad when they've talked time and time again about how we can't trust these MSRP figures. He said that multiple times in the review.
angry_RL_player@reddit
Made sure their biggest mouthpieces got fed to avoid any potential angry thumbnails and sensationalized titles. It's still preferential treatment even if the review itself was critical.
Thingreenveil313@reddit
Well then they did a bad job, because they got an angry thumbnail and sensationalized title.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG9mFS7lMzU
only_r3ad_the_titl3@reddit
Idk but this is somehow worse
arahman81@reddit
AMD saw an easy W and beelined for the L.
SupportDangerous8207@reddit
I didn’t see it in the gn review charts though
angry_RL_player@reddit
Review for that is tomorrow
mockingbird-@reddit
Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus received the 8GB model
SupportDangerous8207@reddit
I mean at least ltt openly talked about the problem
Every other reviewer seems to have had a positive spin on this gpu or at least mostly just been annoyed by the existence of the 8 gig model
Thingreenveil313@reddit
GN didn't really have a positive spin on it since we don't know what the price is really going to land at. He just said "here are the numbers. We have nothing to compare them to because we don't know how much it'll cost. HUB essentially gave the same "if AMD can keep up supply" and "at MSRP" caveats. I haven't seen any other reviews, so I can't speak to those.
SupportDangerous8207@reddit
Gn didn’t mention that amd failed to supply an 8gb card or at least did it so in passing I basically didn’t notice
Yet had no numbers for an 8gb card neither did hub
They also really didn’t focus on the fake msrp problem quite like ltt did
Amds msrp is faker than nvidias. I can find 5080s in Germany for msrp or even lower. Msrp is 1150 euro cheapest one available is 1100.
The 9070xt however is still over 700 euros despite the 690 msrp
It’s crazy that there isn’t more reviewers talking long and honestly about the fact that they legitimately got duped
conquer69@reddit
HUB has made multiple videos about the msrp pricing. It must be annoying for them to repeat the same thing over and over again every single video. Their last podcast also had like 10 minutes of msrp talk.
At some point consumers need to put a bit of effort and look at the prices of things before paying.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
Those videos were targetted and not general for the most part. At least looking at titles and thumbnails followed by reddit and youtube comments on those same videos
SEI_JAKU@reddit
Because nobody got "duped". Your market is not a representation of any other market.
SupportDangerous8207@reddit
Is there msrp 9070xt in other markets
I have not seen them
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
There is for low demand countries. Turkey and bulgaria. Sales are slow. AI craze is absent
SEI_JAKU@reddit
No, and that isn't the problem here. There is no "fake MSRP" problem. MSRP has not been the price a GPU has been sold at for a long time. All of the power is in the hands of the AIBs, and that's part of why Nvidia/AMD see such thin margins on this stuff.
The 9060 XT has a set in stone price and stock from the start, and it's definitely not going to be sold at MSRP because this market is vile. Every Nvidia card is the same way. Consider yourself extremely lucky to have such easy access to Nvidia cards in Europe right now, never mind that Europe traditionally has problems getting AMD cards.
I am watching people pay outrageous prices and blaming the wrong causes every single time. We will never climb out of this.
SupportDangerous8207@reddit
Nvidia cards are sold at msrp all the time
In Europe all cards except the 5090 are sold at msrp right now
Wtf are you talking about
A Google search is enough to confirm that there is msrp 5080 cards available in the us
It’s just the amd gpus you still can’t buy at msrp because they gave rebates to manufacturers to enable msrp and stopped handing them out
As far as we know Nvidia did no such thing
DeHub94@reddit
Well GN seems to have another video planned for the 8gb version which will go into more details. At least according to their description on the 16gb version.
SupportDangerous8207@reddit
Must have missed that part
Crazy work though to go into so much detail on other 8 gig cards and to barely mention the 8 gig model
I watched the whole video and literally missed it
KARMAAACS@reddit
Literally from TechPowerUp's review of the 9060 Xt 16GB:
Yep they got duped once again by AMD lol.
Jobastion@reddit
Honestly, based on the slide at 3:06, I'm betting this isn't 'shitty' corporate behavior, but instead some chucklefuck in logistics at AMD just completely dropped the ball. They shipped a 7700 XT instead of the 8GB model. Why would they even have those in reach of the marketing people to ship out for reviews. If they really don't want Linus reviewing the 8GB model, I'd think they just don't ship em anything, unless this is some more of Frank's 4d chess.
mockingbird-@reddit
Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus received the 8GB model, and those are two of the biggest outlets out there.
sh1boleth@reddit
HUB is not even Top 5 - theres many similar sized tech tubers, they have ~1m subs. Gamers Nexus has fewer subs than JayzTwoCents, LTT.
2.5m vs 4.2m and 16m
Considering LTT didnt get the 8gb 9060xt - who have the widest audience amongst all tech tubers theyre obviously just trying to hide their crappy product.
__Rosso__@reddit
Main reason LTT refused to do said review is because they felt they weren't given enough time.
This wasn't, at least entirely, something that AMD did.
Orelha3@reddit
It's interesting cuz here in Brazil they had no problem in supplying 8gb and 16gb models for at least a couple of big reviewers
SEI_JAKU@reddit
I like how Linus is blatantly wrong and we're all just kinda accepting it as truth anyway.
I am so tired of this hobby.
__Rosso__@reddit
Linus could solve world hunger and some of ya would find a way to put a negative spin onto it
Kaenguruu-Dev@reddit
"He solved world hunger but buying me a 5090 was too much apparently"
/s
wankthisway@reddit
Wrong how? And you're more than welcome to just not comment.
vlakreeh@reddit
In what way was he blatantly wrong?
angry_RL_player@reddit
Translation: He was wrong for criticizing Dear AMD.
ComplexAd346@reddit
This isn't posted on AMD sub : )))))
When Intel 16th gen comes out, I'd ditch my current AMD CPU and go full Nvidia + Intel as old days.
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