Honda or Toyota? | TheaterFire

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Carnegie1901@reddit

You’re deciding between the top two reliable competitors so it will come down to what you like more. Honda civic is great overall but the seats are a nightmare for me on long trips. I rented a Camry for a trip to Florida and was very impressed with the seats and everything overall. I realize the Camry is comparable to the accord but I haven’t been in one

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Letscurlbrah@reddit

Mazda. They actually give a shit about driving dynamics and experience.

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

And consistently have lower build quality

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TroyeSavant@reddit

Lmfao lower build quality than Toyota 🤣 Toyotas have the most durable materials because everything is covered in cheap plastic that feels like shit. Yay I have a iron bench for a couch because it’s easiest to clean and will last forever

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

Random shit doesn't fall off any of my toyotas

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TroyeSavant@reddit

Oh noooo, one weatherstripping came off the inside of my door. Meanwhile the Camry sub keeps complaining the front bumper keeps popping out on the new Camrys and nobody can fix it and they all rattle🤔 my 7 year old Mazda doesn’t do any of that while also driving better, having a way nicer interior and much more features

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

I've owned plenty of both brands, Mazda skimps on quality to spend on user experience and updating looks.

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TroyeSavant@reddit

Nothing is lower quality than Toyota. Mazda skimping on quality is still leagues ahead of Toyota quality. Toyota headlights yellow and fog up same with the radar sensor and the paint they all look like shit. My 100k mile Mazda hasn’t done any of that

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

Nothing is lower quality than Toyota? Lmao really just going for the batshit insane take

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TroyeSavant@reddit

Lmfao you think Toyotas have good quality just because some of their models are reliable. Toyotas age like shit. They’re like Chevy cavaliers. Shit cars that make you feel poor but they always work. But who would want to be stuck driving that?

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

Lmao they're consistently the most reliable vehicles. You could complain about lack of infotainment features or something, but toyotas are the most reliable brand

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TroyeSavant@reddit

Typical Toyota shill always bringing up reliability like that’s the only thing that matters in a car. Funny how that’s the only argument Toyota shills make because you know without that 90s and 2000s perceived reputation the cars are junk. There is not much overlap at all between Toyota and other brands in terms of reliability. I always laugh at people like you overpaying for a shitbox because you only know the most surface level information about cars. Only get Honda and Toyota every other car won’t last

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

It's the only thing that matters in a commuter or overlander. I didn't get a Supra for a performance car, I got a Corvette

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TroyeSavant@reddit

No it isn’t. Comfort, material quality, features, speaker quality the list goes on. Toyota is inferior in all those areas. And then the typical Toyota shill copes by saying that’s more things to break like its complex technology and that Toyota is inferior in those ways because they spend money on reliability. Yet they have issues like every other brand🤔

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

... did you forget Lexus exists?

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TroyeSavant@reddit

Lexus is way more expensive. Mazdas are at Toyota price range and outclass them in every metric besides mpg

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

A used Lexus tends to be cheaper than a Toyota, or if you want a new one, stop being poor.

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TroyeSavant@reddit

Why would I want a boring outdated Lexus?

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

I'm in my early 30's, I just make better choices than you

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TroyeSavant@reddit

No, you make the most basic safe choices everyone else makes. That’s why your life will always be typical

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

How many cars have you run nitrous on?

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TroyeSavant@reddit

How many countries have you visited? How many flights have you taken? How many places have you traveled? How much money is in your stock portfolio? Is your only flex running nitrous on some clapped piece of shit nobody wants?

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

24, couldn't begin to count, all of it. Broke ass trying to flex Mazda lol

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TroyeSavant@reddit

Can’t count = never left your home state. I’m not flexing I’m simply pointing out the facts that Mazda makes better cars but you seem to be getting butthurt 😂 probably because you can’t flex a Toyota without bringing up reliability because everything else about their cars are trash

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

You want me to count the number of flights it took to got to 24 countries?

Mazda makes the same boring, bland cars toyota makes but without the reliability, zero trucks, and a sports car that makes Honda civics look exciting

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TroyeSavant@reddit

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 nothing is more bland than a Toyota spent time in any car forum and everyone says Mazda is at Toyotas level of reliability or better while having way more features and a nicer interior and way better driving dynamics. Keep coping for wasting money on that shitbox Toyota without doing research. You just parrot whatever common basic surface level information is known and then act like you’re big brain overpaying for a shitbox because everyone knows Toyota is supposedly reliable

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

Ever tried not being poor?

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gobinator98@reddit

He wears a MAGA hat, so his brain is a little fried from the rat poison and bleach.

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TroyeSavant@reddit

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you’re mad😂 trying way too hard to think of insults. If I was poor I’d be driving a Toyota. But I’m not I can afford maintenance and mods. Even when I was broke I never reduced my quality of life that bad where I was whipping a Toyota💀💀💀

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Letscurlbrah@reddit

No the frames just rust out and the engines need full replacement.

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

Always gotta grasp at straws lol

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Letscurlbrah@reddit

Enjoy your incredibly dull but reliable appliances.

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

That's the fun thing about cars, they can be whatever you make them. I have a lifted Lexus CT and an overlanding Tundra. They're only as boring as you let yourself be.

Also, weird thread to comment about things being "dull" when we're talking about Mazda lol

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Letscurlbrah@reddit

Enjoy your appliance and beige wardrobe.

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Pahlevun@reddit

Oh I’m sorry I forgot Mazda reddit bots want to pretend their FWD or FWD based AWD 4 cylinder commuter is a Porsche.

Mazda also is an appliance. Pipe down

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Letscurlbrah@reddit

I drive a BMW, but nice try.

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Pahlevun@reddit

Cool so why gobbling Mazda then?

I owned a 3 series for years (F30), a V6 Camry, and a Civic, and enjoyed every single one more than the 2021 Mazda3 I had temporarily for a few months.

The Mazda3 is excellent don’t get me wrong and definitely more fun than a Corolla, but it didn’t get fuel economy as good as a Corolla or Civic, hell on the highway it barely even did better than my V6 Camry. It also was less spacious than pretty mych any competitor, that’s just a Mazda thing thoygh.

And in terms of fun… it’s alright… really the only thing is that the steering is good and the suspension is stiffer than average for its class, that’s kind of it. It’s DEFINITELY not some GTI or Civic Si. The 6AT is very ordinary and the Skyactiv 2.5 is too. The engine wakes it up but then you’re paying GTI/Civic Si money anyway.

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BelongingsintheYard@reddit

Am I the only loud color Toyota guy?

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jeepsies@reddit

Nope! Its bright red and is more fun than any mazda.

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clonedroidrebal@reddit

Like the Mazda is much better 😂. Maybe if it’s a Miata.

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

Mazda's only interesting car is one that people have to do mental gymnastics to enjoy it's so slow

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TheThirdBrainLives@reddit

No one gives a shit about Mazda.

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

Buddies a tow truck driver and he always says he tows the newer Mazda cx5’s. Definitely wouldn’t get one of them

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Letscurlbrah@reddit

Remember that anecdotes are data.

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Suitable-Art-1544@reddit

trying to argue in general terms with people who don't know what anectdote means is a waste of time lol

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Letscurlbrah@reddit

I'm not trying to change his mind; just make fun of him.

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Pahlevun@reddit

Asking about brands is stupid. It always depends on which two models specifically. I’ll take a Civic over a Corolla, Camry/Accord is a toss up depending on what you prefer same with the CR-V, depending on the years Honda can be less reliable but so can Toyota on some models like the latest Tundra and such

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mattkime@reddit

I really don’t get the point of comparing brands. Are we picking our favorite logo? Each company has its hits and misses. Any answer you get that’s reasonably specific will also be personal.

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

Mostly just reliability,durability and quality. I agree each company has there own advantages but in a general sense there’s always gonna be a better one

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Conn-Solo@reddit

If reliability is a factor, Subaru just won most reliable brand of this year. Food for thought

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Original_Peanut2128@reddit

Toyota has always been the most reliable brand. Subaru doesn't come to it

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Conn-Solo@reddit

Try doing some research before commenting buddy: https://www.motor1.com/news/743735/consumer-reports-most-reliable-car-brands-2024/

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Pahlevun@reddit

Stop lecturing people about research when your “research” is a motor1 article citing Consumer Reports, a survey company. As in, Hello average Joe, what problens have you had with your car, cool, next. Absolutely not some scientific research at all merely surveying the average, non car knowing owner who will report infotainment bugs as reliability issues.

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HalfBlindKing@reddit

LOL that’s one year of reliability, so like 12,000 miles? It’s a survey of their members, and they rank problems based on their feelings of how severe they are. Meanwhile, the JD Power ratings, the only one I’ve ever seen cited like it mattered, goes off 3 years of running data, and counts the raw number of problems without interjecting feelings. They had Subaru below average in their latest. Maybe they turned it around in a year, but I wouldn’t put my money on it.

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Steffiluren@reddit

In most surveys the differences are relatively small, even from best to worst. Picking a brand in general instead of considering the models you like is not going to do you any favors either. Issues are different from car to car, and all manufacturers have both good and bad models. Most likely, you won’t notice any difference. Find the car you like, google «[chosen car] issues» or look up the video on that car from the YouTube channel Driven, find out if these are common or not, expensive or cheap and if there is anything you can do to avoid them.

This sub loves to argue over what brand is «best», but for a relatively new car from brands with good track records, the brand makes no difference.

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mattkime@reddit

The variation between models within a brand regarding reliability, durability, and quality is much larger than across brands.

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whatdoido8383@reddit

Toyota. Owned 3 since the early 2000's, never had any issues.

I've also owned several Honda's in that same time and every one has had issues. My latest, a 2022 Ridgeline was a friggin lemon, I sold it after a year.

I think Honda makes good engines, the rest of the vehicles are not very good.

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jvstnmh@reddit

You gotta drive them and see what you like more.

Every car and every manufacturer has their little quirks, their own feature sets, their own interior/exterior/mechanical designs that make the experience of driving them different.

Book a few test drives and see what car feels right to you.

Me? After driving several different cars, I’m safely a Honda guy.

Just bought a 2024 Civic a few weeks ago.

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

I’m not looking to buy a vehicle. Just seeing what people think and why

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revocer@reddit

I personally prefer Honda brand overall in terms of balancing ergonomics, aesthetics, and reliability.

But I do recommend folks get Toyota if the main desire is reliability and longevity. It has a slight edge of Honda.

I’ve owned both. And am happy with both.

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pat441@reddit

I've heard that Toyota is a bit more reliable but Honda parts might be a little cheaper and repairs might be a little easier/cheaper. Some engine bays are easier to access parts in and some brands have cheaper parts available. I'm not sure if it's true though and perhaps also depends on the model and year of the car?

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revocer@reddit

One example of easier. The Honda PCV valve is so much easier to do than the Toyota PCV. Honda takes about 5-10 minutes. Toyota takes about 1-2+ hours.

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pat441@reddit

Do you think the Honda is easier to repair in general or just in one or two specific situations?

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revocer@reddit

In general I think Honda is slightly easier, but not significant enough to discount Toyota totally. Honda and Toyota are worlds apart easier in general, than say a BMW.

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kia-supra-kush@reddit

This is a great answer. I’ve owned both and they both obviously make a lot of great, reliable cars. When comparing the two, I think it’s worth keeping in mind that Honda is a much smaller company that was started by someone who worked closely with Toyota, so I think Honda as a brand was built on that solid foundation.

I’ve become solidly a Honda person for all the reasons you mentioned, and because they just feel a little more specialized and have a little more soul.

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kinnikinnick321@reddit

In general, I find Honda's funner to drive, better interior materials, more appealing designs but not as far lasting as Toyota. Toyota is two points less across the board on everything else. Where they shine is reliability and simplicity (this is in general). There are instances where they either over-engineered something or under-engineered an item but they've usually addressed it and appeased their customer base. You can't say that for many other brands.

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Sad-Tap3687@reddit

Civic way better than accord (no comparison), Accord > Camry (better driving dynamics), CRV > Rav 4, Odyssey > Sienna. 4 Runner > Passport, Pilot = Highlander. Tacoma and Tundra really have no comparison (Ridgeline doesn't count) Land Cruiser is in a class of it's own.

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Artistic_Ad_6419@reddit

I would want to compare a specific year / model /driveline from one company to the next.

I am not willing to compare a Takoma with a Civic, but I will compare a Corolla to a Civic.

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Swamp_Donkey_7@reddit

Between the two I probably rank them equal in terms of perceived reliability.

But Toyota styling? I just don't get it. Every time we cross-shop a Toyota as a potential vehicle I just get in the interior, shake my head, and move on to the next choice. Other than the Supra, I don't think i've ever loved their exterior styling either.

Why can't then send a few Lexus designers over and put together a nicer interior/exterior package?

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majorjunk206@reddit

For user interface ingenuity honda. They always come up with innovative ways to use the car. They have developed integrated vacuum cleaners, picnic tables, blind spot camera, lay flat chairs all kinds of quirky but useful things with reliability. Toyota is boringly reliable. Mazda spirited driving input experience. They all take shortcuts and have shortcomings. But they're all good reliable choices just depends on your personality.

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Grandemestizo@reddit

I like Honda better. In my experience they have better engines and better handling.

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Stinkytofu86@reddit

preowned lexus

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Novel-Analysis-457@reddit

I had a civic si and now have a Toyota highlander, I’ve known and talked to many honda and Toyota owners, and my conclusion is honda for me, but Toyota for the average driver. I just prefer honda for myself because they’re able to make reliable but also fun and cheap to repair/mod cars, which is why civics are so popular. Toyota, though, has a lot of options to choose from, and quite a few with offroad capabilities. Generally honda communities lean more towards performance and handling whereas Toyota communities stand out as offroading builds most of the time, which makes sense because Toyota has a much more solid lineup of suv’s and pickups. This is just from my personal experience with the communities that modify their cars, but I feel like it’s safe to say people that mod 4runners are to Toyota what people that that modify civics are to Honda.

Tlrd; Toyota makes the ride from A to B smooth, Honda makes it fun

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Picklechip-58@reddit

I'm a fleet manager and have half a dozen Toyotas on the road with anywhere from 360,000 to 480,000 miles in the clock. All running strong and averaging 31mpg on highway trips, loaded with six passengers. All Sienna LE models.

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dwmoore21@reddit

Volkswagen.

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

Volkswagen and bmw would be my last pick. Wouldn’t even pick em if they were the only brand out

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dwmoore21@reddit

Your loss.

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Josh2k24@reddit

It’s not a loss OP. Volkswagen is just above Jeep in reliability charts for 2024. I’d rather ride an electric bike then buy a piece of shit Volkswagen assembled in China.

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dwmoore21@reddit

Weird because my Atlas was assembled in Chattanooga TN.

My 2012 Jetta S has 200,000 miles on it (bought it brand new) and I'd take it on a road trip with no worries.

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Critical_Habit8818@reddit

Both are in decline. If I had to pick I’d still go Toyota

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Healthy-Place4225@reddit

Tesla

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Healthy-Place4225@reddit

A lot less moving parts and no oil changes, brakes, gas. Etc

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Josh2k24@reddit

He asked about a real car not a side project that farts through the speakers and falls apart

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

Definitely not

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Apprehensive-Desk194@reddit

Honda because they at least make a few cars that are good to drive, but I'd never ever even consider these 2 brands when comparing to VW.

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Free-Station-5473@reddit

It depends on the individual model in question.

Both are highly reliable, both offer excellent warranties, both are excellent brands.

And both screw up every now and then, so you have to decide on the characteristics of the individual car.

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OtterlyDeplorable@reddit

This is really going to come down to your preference but will depend wildly on what type of vehicle you want. Truck or body on frame SUV? Toyota all the way. Car, hatchback or SUV? I’d go Honda. I would avoid the 1.5T though and get a 2.0 N.A. or hybrid Honda. Really hard to go wrong though with either choice.

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angrycanadianguy@reddit

If we’re talking hybrid, Toyota is by far the way.

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clydefrog65@reddit

the 2000s CRVs are lovely

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Ars139@reddit

Old ones Toyota. Really old ones a tie maybe Hondas were nicer. Current ones both suck except the performance models.

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

Old anything was so much better. Nowadays they make stuff to break..

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Ars139@reddit

Yup

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TheThirdBrainLives@reddit

Honda makes the best engines in the world.

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ImpliedSlashS@reddit

Hundreds of thousands of their V6 are being recalled for catastrophic failure

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ElkayMilkMaster@reddit

Man, if you think ~200k is bad...

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GamingWithaFreak@reddit

Almost half a million transits would like a word 🤣

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HalfBlindKing@reddit

GM 6.2L has entered the chat.

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ImpliedSlashS@reddit

Let’s not forget about the 1.5T issues

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TheThirdBrainLives@reddit

And Toyota isn’t recalling hundreds of thousands of cars riddled with issues?

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ImpliedSlashS@reddit

Competition is good

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B_U_F_U@reddit

Tbf that’s a software issue.

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Far_Chocolate_8534@reddit

Toyota.

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BeaverMartin@reddit

I personally prefer Honda’s approach to engineering and ergonomics though we have both a Honda and Toyota in the current fleet.

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Gobluechung@reddit

What class are you shopping?

If it’s a family SUV I’d consider a telluride or Ionic9.

I’ve owned across Hyundai, Toyota, and Honda and all have been equally reliable. Some minor suspension issues with the Honda but I attribute that to the Philly potholes I was dealing with at the time.

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TroyeSavant@reddit

Mazda over any competing Toyota. Toyotas feel so cheap and are so boring. Mazda also has really good dealership service in my experience never heard anything good about Toyota. Id probably get a civic hybrid over a mazda3. I like the accord 2.0T

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Last_Computer9356@reddit

Frankly Toyota is making a lot of fun cars these days. Honda isn't.

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PansOnFire@reddit

Honda, Toyota, and Mazda are currently the big quality three. Now, I love trucks, so I lean more Toyota.

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QwertyOne-Thirty@reddit

Either one as long as you you dont buy brand new,, car manufacturers have basically given up on quality, with toyota's gr corolla straight up catcching fire (yes its "rare", but its a brand new car and it has happened enough to spark controversy) and i've even heard of brand new civics having steering racks just quit on them,, which is NOT something you want to happen while driving. Get an older, proven model. Both companies have had a near perfect record until recently.

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

Not sure why people downvoted this comment but I agree. Nowadays they don’t make anything would such good intense quality. They want people to keep spending money on new parts every couple months

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QwertyOne-Thirty@reddit

Seriously. I get that i sound like i need help with basic computer tasks with the whole "they dont make em like the used to" shpeel but its true. Don't fall for dealership traps. You were given a pattern recognizing brain. Don't gaslight yourself out of using it.

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g2gfmx@reddit

In terms of reliability toyota hands down. My parents 2015 Lexus rx450h from new was the best in terms of mileage and reliability, and very little thing to go wrong if it did go wrong in the first place.

Honda, they are still reliable, but not bulletproof compared to toyota.

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in4mant@reddit

Depends. Had a civic that lasted 10 years. Then an accord for 16. Then I moved to Toyota. My parents have always either had a Corolla or Camry.

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Glittering-Show-5521@reddit

I don't really have any brand loyalty one way or the other, as I've seen plenty of issues (more wear and tear than anything) with both Honda and Toyota, especially as they rack up the miles (talking 200k or more). They're both still great car makers.

For cars, I hands down prefer Honda. Honda sedans have a far better driving experience than Toyota sedans in my experience (Accord and Civic vs. Camry and Corolla), and they always seem to have higher build quality to me. Some of it's interior stuff. When you get under the hood of both cars and really getting into the nitty gritty details that most people will never see, Toyota sometimes does weird stuff to get around patents for things that Honda came up with first, or Toyota makes some weird design decisions for how things connect up, such as the airbox, intake snorkel, suspension, etc. I will say that Toyota's bolt on ball joints make more sense than Honda's press-ins because an oversized press-in ball joint is a job you can only do one time. If you have to replace the ball joint more than once, you have to replace the entire knuckle. I honestly have to say that the Hondas in my family have aged better than the Toyotas, but I do wonder how much of that has to do with me driving and taking care of them compared to my siblings.

For trucks, Toyota gets the nod. I've never driven a Ridgeline, but I absolutely love my second gen Tundra. It's a smooth riding and solid handling truck (way better than the Silverados, GMCs and F-150s I've driven). It's also crazy reliable. It was so refreshing to have it as a daily driver after 2 years of reliability issues with my Subaru Forester XT.

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stansswingers@reddit

The new passport looks sick af

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BelongingsintheYard@reddit

Yes

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

No

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BelongingsintheYard@reddit

Can go either way and be happy as a clam.

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gvbargen@reddit

Imo Toyota is just more often more reliable.

Maybe Honda if performance matters a bit more.

Toyota also normally wins on price

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secondatthird@reddit

New Toyota prices are pushing people to Honda

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FC1PichZ32@reddit

Toyota trucks, Honda cars

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secondatthird@reddit

I love the ridgeline and most people would too if they tried it.

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SaibotMAG1@reddit

Honda and Acura have the more exciting tech, engine and transmission configurations are sportier. Like some Acura sedans have all-wheel steering. Accord 2.0T has a 0-60 of 5.1 seconds. The DCT transmissions are fast and fun.

Toyota usually sticks with what makes sense for reliability purposes. There may have been a shift in direction from that however. Their tech seems to now focus on emissions and the self-driving tech.

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Lateapexer@reddit

Can’t go wrong either way with maintenance. I have 20 year old Honda s2000 that I learned stick on and became a track junkie. I have 15k track miles and 115k total. It’s still going strong stock, I needed a new ac compressor and catalytic converter due to the track usage. That’s it. I abused the car and it’s never failed me. Change your fluids and send it

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Enzo_Gorlomi225@reddit

This is like choosing between a microwave or refrigerator

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

Just stirring up the controversy:)

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WhiteBeltKilla@reddit

Ford V8. Any of em

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

Agreed

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aquatone61@reddit

Honda. If you want a truck to do real truck stuff a Tundra may not really cut it. Ford and GM make the best trucks.

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

I could never get a Toyota or Honda truck. I’ll stick with my Chevys and fords

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blueberrypancake234@reddit

Depends on the model of vehicle.

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

True

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No_Independence8747@reddit

Toyota. My first car was a Honda, it developed an overheating problem. Probably needed the water pump done, I didn’t have money for it. I’ve had several high mileage Toyotas that far exceeded the mileage of the Honda and I basically only changed oil.

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

My first car was also a Honda. 2006 accord 5 speed manual. And that thing was indestructible. I had it for 7 months before I sold it. I was 15 at the time and I only ever had to do 2 oil changes,brakes and rotors.

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WhiteBeltKilla@reddit

Honda. My first car was a Toyota, it developed a head gasket problem. Probably (actually) needed an entire engine swap, I didn’t have money for it. I’ve had 1 high mileage Honda and 1 high mileage Ford that far exceeded the mileage of the Toyota and I basically only changed the oil. (All true)

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PinHuman3337@reddit

Toyota for trucks and off-road, Honda for boring cars and Mazda for actually enjoying driving

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Efficient-County2382@reddit

I have n; idea where that myth came from about Mazda's being enjoyable driving, apart from their Miata's and similar, their cars are often very bland and as underpowered as any other generic car.

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PinHuman3337@reddit

From people who enjoy driving. They offer the economy engine too but a turbo Mazda 3 is fun affordable and reliable the same goes to a CX-5 not to mention the Miata

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Historical_slayer@reddit (OP)

I have a buddy who’s a tow truck driver and he says he tows too many of the new cx5’s

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TheThirdBrainLives@reddit

Mazda will be playing catch up with Honda for the next 100 years.

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FindingUsernamesSuck@reddit

It doesn't matter. They're both insanely reliable and closely competitive.

Hondas were more fun to drive in the 2000s and much of the 2010s. Nowadays I prefer Toyota as a brand since they have more fun cars with the GR line.

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Organic-Park6682@reddit

Civic, Accord, CRV and for everything else, toyotas

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MisterBitterness42@reddit

Honda is a motor company that sells cars. Toyota is a car company.

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HondaForever84@reddit

It doesn’t matter at all what I like. Drive them. The driving experience in the average Honda is exponentially better than the driving experience in the average Toyota. They just balance ride/handling better than any other non luxury company. That may not matter at all to though. Honda sits nicely between Toyota (driving appliance) and Mazda (supposed to be driver focused but just comes off overly harsh. In general they ride like garbage). Honestly, only you know what’s important to you.

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123revival@reddit

ehh I've had a rav 4 and a cr-v and it's basically the same car. Both kind of mediocre but reliable. My rav 4 got bad gas mileage, the cr-v mileage is better

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TheWhogg@reddit

I test drove an Accord Euro in 2005. Back to back with an Audi A4 costing 2x. The Honda was a much better car. So much so, I bought it in 2020. Best $2k I ever spent. It was luxurious, stunningly quiet cruising, handled well, was powerful.

Toyotae are nowhere near as nice, and cost way more second hand. I’ve owned an ES300 as well. Nice car but it wasn’t the same.

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GamingWithaFreak@reddit

I've had zero issues with either brand. But preference is my deciding factor. That, and deals. Like, id rather have a sienna. But if I happen to see 5-10k off an odyssey, I'm getting another Honda.

For what little truck stuff I do, a Ridgeline would be enough. Not that I actually want one. But that's entirely an aesthetic complaint. Small cars, id take corolla over civic, but according over camry.

Imo, it's really hard to go wrong in either line up tho

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Nitfoldcommunity@reddit

Between Honda and Toyota I would choose Mazda.

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Affectionate-Act6127@reddit

I’ve spent a lot of time at the auto auction. There’s no shortage of 10-15 year old Hondas and Toyotas that should be getting parted out. Before COVID they were getting taken out of circulation. There’s never been a pot hole they didn’t hit or an oil change done on time.

What you do with a Honda or Toyota has a lot more with its longevity than any intrinsic quality of the brand.

I prefer Honda. But if you buy either brand and treat it like a car you want to last 300,000 miles, you have a good chance of making it happen.

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ImpliedSlashS@reddit

Haven’t been in a Honda in years but recent Toyotas feel like penalty boxes inside

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Difficult-Map-2162@reddit

I have one of each. I drive a 2012 Honda accord with a 4 cylinder with 120,000 miles. That car has been very reliable and known to make it to high miles. I also drive a 2018 Toyota Sienna. Not a huge fan of the 8 speed transmission but it’s been very reliable. It hasn’t needed anything outside of recommended maintenance in 151,000 miles and counting. Now anything newer with either brand I don’t feel good about. Will hang onto both for as long as possible. Both drive like they were brand new.

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