Genuine question, What if every nation that companies wanted to do business in worked together to close loopholes for tax avoidance for both business/manufacturing and the ultra wealthy? Would they go to more impoverished/desperate nations and build them up with their huge presence, and low wages, despite the cost of essentialy needing to build the infrastructure to operate there?what if the preferred countries offered their own possibly unique incentives, but whith now way to escape tax law?
I mean specifically— what does it mean to “close a loophole?” What sort of action are you referring to? Remove or adjust certain deductions/credits? Rate certain rates? Create new rules entirely?
Basically what I’m getting at is: Are you familiar with federal income tax and how it functions? Do you understand what “closing loopholes” might entail? Or are you just throwing terms around?
I am no expert, but it seems like the majority of individuals wouldn't pay much if any income or property tax if there was a way to force conglomerates and high yield private equity firms to pay what they rightfully owe. The loopholes are the ones that allow money to be moved around so it it isn't taxed as heavily, or dosent benefit the area the Corp. is based in
Because there are many nations that have already told the major powers that they won't participate.Biden and the EU already tried that. There are quite a number of countries that exist solely for their tax haven status, and they aren't going to give up that sovereignty or the wealth that comes with it.
ok, its war then? hypothetically how would this play out if we actually forced these loopholes shut? can we finally tax the uber fucking rich so my kids can go to nice schools? or nah?
So you're going to invade many sovereign, independent countries, so our governments can steal more of our wealth? I think you may be in the wrong sub, my friend
But what if they REALLY do it, like close the loopholes so there is no benefit. And if your money is stored in a tax haveb like Monaco or something you owe both where your money is made and spent
what if we all sung kumbaya and promised to stop killing each other?
I'm not trying to be dismissive - just pointing out that your solution seems incredibly idealistic and not-gonna-happen-in-real-life. You would need to actively threaten every country that refuses to go along. Is the EU going to threaten Ireland with expulsion if they don't give up their tax haven status?
Or, now hear me out, we get HR25 passed, and become THE TAX HAVEN. Make sure the oligarchs can't fuck around with the tax code (which is where the majority of the bribery, I mean lobbying, gets done), and make them pay their fair share!
I mean I'm all for eliminating the tax debt on individuals earning less than 250k, or even 500k, the multi national private equity firms that cut and run should be picking up the slack because of their profits, and those types of business practices should banned
WAF and friends actaully proposed this sort of thing more then once: Make corporate tax global.
Would they go to more impoverished/desperate nations and build them up with their huge presence, and low wages, despite the cost of essentialy needing to build the infrastructure to operate there?
The reality is that most of the ultra-big publicly traded corporations are horrifically inefficient.
Their business model depends on the central bank "printing" money and then through the banks lending them vast amounts of money at ridiculously low rates. They also depend heavily on various government kick-backs and regulatory concessions.
This is why modern economies are most accurately called "Corporatism" or "Syndicalism". This is a type of socialism that is considered a "third way" between full blown leftist socialism and 19th century capitalism.
Under this model of economic governance you have the combination of these massive national corporations working hand in hand with a massive administrative state.
In the USA we have these massive administrative industries. When they think you shouldn't be allowed to smoke cigarettes, or have incandescent light bulbs, or have shower heads that flow a lot of water... They don't go after you.
Nobody is going to show up at your house to make sure you don't have a 5 gallon toilet smuggled in from Mexico. They are not going to send the FBI in after you if you try to make your own tobacco.
What they do is go after these big corporations and regulate them. And in exchange for their compliance these corporations get a lot of favors done for them. When the government does something to impact their profits the government also does something to offset it... to reward compliance.
And it is through these corporations that they are then able to indirectly regulate you.
Many people operate under the mistaken belief that we need big government to counter the greed of big corporations. Prevent trusts, monopolies, etc.. deal with externalities like the environment/poverty and regulate natural monopolies like power distribution or roads.
The opposite is actually true.
if you ever worked in a heavily regulated industry you'd quickly realize that the government sees it as part of it's job to keep that industry profitable. Think about various monopolies enjoyed by big corporations involved in the telecommunication industry or how the government bailed out banks in 2008, the government bailing out the automobile industry several times, or how the airline industry works. So on and so forth.
So big corporations are not going anywhere if governments somehow figure out how to close all the "tax loopholes". Why? Because no matter what happens they know they can rely on their friends in government to keep them in the black. No matter what.
The actual productive members of society... that is the groups of people that hire the most workers, pay the most wages, and create the most goods and services are small and medium businesses.
That is really who the government goes after in a big way. Because they are not only a dime a dozen... so if a few go bankrupt it is no skin off the government's back. The politicians have no relationship with them, they don't hire lobbyists, they don't have their nephews on the board of directories of some small business.
So they are the source of the most of the wealth and thus have the most to be squeezed out.
Just like the US... they think that all their financial problems will be solved by taxing the rich. The math does not work out.
800 billionaires with a total of 4 trillion dollars....the US spends this in 8 months... but that's in stocks....confiscated the stocks and crash the market? Socialists tend to be educated, so why dont they show the math?
What would you even tax? Net worth? Unrealized capital gains? Most of the billionaires barely show income as it is,they just borrow against their assets. There you go, tax loans lol.
? What are you talking about? I said if the government takes it, then they are effectively part owners of that company. If the 10% of amazon owned by Bezos was sold at one time, who would be the ones buying it? There would not be a market for the current price, so it would have to be priced at a lower amount, and then the cycle will continue until its lower and lower, crashing the stock price. Multiple this by 800 billionaires.
I constantly have to explain to people on the left and right that tax revenue is not 1:1 correlated with tax rates. People say shit all the time like, "cutting taxes is causing the deficit"
Didn't Sweden or Norway go through almost this exact same thing not too long ago with their idiotic "wealth" tax? It's like people are so incapable of recognizing iron laws of economics that they actually choose to rinse and repeat failed policies.
It's because they think that people with wealth aren't deserving of it and that when they have said wealth, those people don't care about more of it being taken away. Shocker, most people don't like having their money forcibly taken away from them, regardless of how much they make.
I'm well aware. The difference is people like me are struggling to make ends meet, meanwhile these billionaires and millionaires are on their 5th house, benefiting from the tax system that helped them achieve their wealth. All the while, there are people in desperate need of help. It's a zero sum solution, that people here unfortunately don't like the answer to.
Btw I'm very open to discussion on this, I find this topic super interesting.
Doesn’t really apply to the US as you will still owe the tax regardless (with some exceptions) of your residency. Renounce your citizenship is your escape.
Right. Most countries have a "water's edge" tax policy, under which nothing outside the country is taxable. The US income tax is on worldwide income, although foreign taxes can offset US taxes. There are even situations where US states may claim you still owe them. California and New York are among the most tenacious.
I heard someone on Reddit say that only people who believe in trickle-down economics believe in capital flight, but here I am, looking at capital flight, and I don't believe in trickle-down economics
Democrats are the only ones that believe in trickle-down economics in the sense that they're the ones that made up the facetious term and are the only ones to use it. Supply-side economics isn't about trying to increase tax revenue by lowering taxes but simply to lower taxes to spur private growth. It's theoretically possible that government revenue could increase but it's pretty unlikely especially when nobody has a promise of current tax cuts lasting beyond a current administration. The common sense part of supply-side economics that both major parties can't seem to figure out is that when you cut taxes you should also cut expenditures.
In my experience, nobody who makes reference to trickle-down economics thinks it's the idea that net tax revenue gets higher when taxes are lower.
Rather, trickle-down economics is the idea that the growth you refer to here:
simply to lower taxes to spur private growth
benefits the lower classes more than the public services that would otherwise be funded by those taxes do.
So, if that's what you think - that that hypothetical growth is more beneficial to the lower classes than the public services those taxes would fund - then you do, in fact, subscribe to the thing that Democrats are talking about when they use the term trickle-down economics, just FYI.
The ultra wealthy can just pull a "Atlas Shrug" and stop giving a damn about everything and while they will lose significant portion of their wealth they will still have more then enough wealth to be rich for the rest of their lives, and their children's lives, and their children children's lives.
Most of multi-billionaire's wealth only exist on paper. It is tied up in various assets like land, bonds, and capital investment. It isn't like there some savings or checking account somewhere filled to the brim with billions of dollars.
So if you were simply pass a law forcing the billionaire to sell off his assets to pay a 99% wealth tax.... Who is going to be left to actually buy it?
I mean if you want to take Bill Gates and Elon Musk's wealth and use it to fund Medicare-for-all... what is the actual mechanism you are going to use to turn Twitter ownership or holdings in waste management into money to pay doctors and government bureaucrats?
Who is going to be paying for all of that? That is actually buying up their assets and giving the money to the government?
Other billionares? The ones you just forced to sell off all their junk, as well?
At the very least the value of all of that is going to dive. You might only be able to get 20-40% of the value on paper.
And then after that you have no more billionaires to get wealth from. So it is a one shot deal.
Who are you going to loot next year? The people that looted the billionaires this year?
Part of what you touched on is to get those 'billions of dollars' from one guy, will make the next guy's wealth shrink. If you sold all of Tesla stock that Elon has then Tesla tumbles and that hits everybody's 401ks and everything else and it snowballs. Not to mention if a company's stock drops they layoffs start and nobody has money so they stop buying... Blah blah blah....
Trickle-down simply means upward mobility of the lower classes through the efforts of the upper classes. On a macro scale, we see it as improvements in the quality of life of the lower classes through innovations. On a more micro scale, it happens any time a person is trained at one company and then starts their own competing company or moves up the corporate ladder.
The problem is that capitalism, as we know it today, is not open or free enough to see micro-scale examples as often as we would otherwise. It is full of economic distortions created by government intervention. As such, cronyism and trickle-down are largely incompatible.
Careful, once the politicians catch on to this they'll try to institute a worldwide wealth/capital gains tax. I think they may be already talking about it.
The Laffer curve isn't just about wealth drain, it's about the strangling of the productive sector making it less productive leading to lower overall taxes. Brazil has experienced this after the current socialist government took office
I don't think there is a distinction here between 'wealth drain' and 'strangling of the productive sector'.
A major part of why there exist a curve between tax rates and tax revenue is that individual's behavior and choices are impacted by tax policy. It is really impossible to separate individual choice from national economic productivity.
If Britain had something to offer the rich in return to their 1p% taken away, even 2% worth of a return. They wouldn't leave. It was already not worth living there. Take the money to Singapore or Thailand and be warm and rich and surrounded by beautiful people
thatwimpyguy@reddit
You can't tax a nation into prosperity.
scrotobaggins_dw@reddit
Genuine question, What if every nation that companies wanted to do business in worked together to close loopholes for tax avoidance for both business/manufacturing and the ultra wealthy? Would they go to more impoverished/desperate nations and build them up with their huge presence, and low wages, despite the cost of essentialy needing to build the infrastructure to operate there?what if the preferred countries offered their own possibly unique incentives, but whith now way to escape tax law?
bravehotelfoxtrot@reddit
What do you mean by “close loopholes” (generally and/or specifically)?
scrotobaggins_dw@reddit
For corporations or individuals who pay little to no tax to operate
bravehotelfoxtrot@reddit
I mean specifically— what does it mean to “close a loophole?” What sort of action are you referring to? Remove or adjust certain deductions/credits? Rate certain rates? Create new rules entirely?
Basically what I’m getting at is: Are you familiar with federal income tax and how it functions? Do you understand what “closing loopholes” might entail? Or are you just throwing terms around?
scrotobaggins_dw@reddit
I am no expert, but it seems like the majority of individuals wouldn't pay much if any income or property tax if there was a way to force conglomerates and high yield private equity firms to pay what they rightfully owe. The loopholes are the ones that allow money to be moved around so it it isn't taxed as heavily, or dosent benefit the area the Corp. is based in
GangstaVillian420@reddit
Because there are many nations that have already told the major powers that they won't participate.Biden and the EU already tried that. There are quite a number of countries that exist solely for their tax haven status, and they aren't going to give up that sovereignty or the wealth that comes with it.
phonsely@reddit
ok, its war then? hypothetically how would this play out if we actually forced these loopholes shut? can we finally tax the uber fucking rich so my kids can go to nice schools? or nah?
GangstaVillian420@reddit
So you're going to invade many sovereign, independent countries, so our governments can steal more of our wealth? I think you may be in the wrong sub, my friend
scrotobaggins_dw@reddit
But what if they REALLY do it, like close the loopholes so there is no benefit. And if your money is stored in a tax haveb like Monaco or something you owe both where your money is made and spent
Sarin10@reddit
what if we all sung kumbaya and promised to stop killing each other?
I'm not trying to be dismissive - just pointing out that your solution seems incredibly idealistic and not-gonna-happen-in-real-life. You would need to actively threaten every country that refuses to go along. Is the EU going to threaten Ireland with expulsion if they don't give up their tax haven status?
scrotobaggins_dw@reddit
Would be nice
GangstaVillian420@reddit
Or, now hear me out, we get HR25 passed, and become THE TAX HAVEN. Make sure the oligarchs can't fuck around with the tax code (which is where the majority of the bribery, I mean lobbying, gets done), and make them pay their fair share!
scrotobaggins_dw@reddit
I mean I'm all for eliminating the tax debt on individuals earning less than 250k, or even 500k, the multi national private equity firms that cut and run should be picking up the slack because of their profits, and those types of business practices should banned
MateTheNate@reddit
Look at Singapore
phonsely@reddit
lets see singapore survive a blockade
scrotobaggins_dw@reddit
I don't know about Singapore, is it a monarchy or something
Rnee45@reddit
We should be advocating for less taxes, not more.
scrotobaggins_dw@reddit
Apply it across the board then
natermer@reddit
WAF and friends actaully proposed this sort of thing more then once: Make corporate tax global.
The reality is that most of the ultra-big publicly traded corporations are horrifically inefficient.
Their business model depends on the central bank "printing" money and then through the banks lending them vast amounts of money at ridiculously low rates. They also depend heavily on various government kick-backs and regulatory concessions.
This is why modern economies are most accurately called "Corporatism" or "Syndicalism". This is a type of socialism that is considered a "third way" between full blown leftist socialism and 19th century capitalism.
Under this model of economic governance you have the combination of these massive national corporations working hand in hand with a massive administrative state.
In the USA we have these massive administrative industries. When they think you shouldn't be allowed to smoke cigarettes, or have incandescent light bulbs, or have shower heads that flow a lot of water... They don't go after you.
Nobody is going to show up at your house to make sure you don't have a 5 gallon toilet smuggled in from Mexico. They are not going to send the FBI in after you if you try to make your own tobacco.
What they do is go after these big corporations and regulate them. And in exchange for their compliance these corporations get a lot of favors done for them. When the government does something to impact their profits the government also does something to offset it... to reward compliance.
And it is through these corporations that they are then able to indirectly regulate you.
Many people operate under the mistaken belief that we need big government to counter the greed of big corporations. Prevent trusts, monopolies, etc.. deal with externalities like the environment/poverty and regulate natural monopolies like power distribution or roads.
The opposite is actually true.
if you ever worked in a heavily regulated industry you'd quickly realize that the government sees it as part of it's job to keep that industry profitable. Think about various monopolies enjoyed by big corporations involved in the telecommunication industry or how the government bailed out banks in 2008, the government bailing out the automobile industry several times, or how the airline industry works. So on and so forth.
So big corporations are not going anywhere if governments somehow figure out how to close all the "tax loopholes". Why? Because no matter what happens they know they can rely on their friends in government to keep them in the black. No matter what.
The actual productive members of society... that is the groups of people that hire the most workers, pay the most wages, and create the most goods and services are small and medium businesses.
That is really who the government goes after in a big way. Because they are not only a dime a dozen... so if a few go bankrupt it is no skin off the government's back. The politicians have no relationship with them, they don't hire lobbyists, they don't have their nephews on the board of directories of some small business.
So they are the source of the most of the wealth and thus have the most to be squeezed out.
libertarianinus@reddit
Just like the US... they think that all their financial problems will be solved by taxing the rich. The math does not work out.
800 billionaires with a total of 4 trillion dollars....the US spends this in 8 months... but that's in stocks....confiscated the stocks and crash the market? Socialists tend to be educated, so why dont they show the math?
ElGDinero@reddit
What would you even tax? Net worth? Unrealized capital gains? Most of the billionaires barely show income as it is,they just borrow against their assets. There you go, tax loans lol.
libertarianinus@reddit
You forgot that 70% have 502c or charitable foundations that they place their assets in. They give 5% to charity and dont pay any tax.
phonsely@reddit
not at all a real strategy. they have so much money they dont even give a shit about taxes. they do "charity" to make them feel better
phonsely@reddit
ok lets tax them borrowing against their assets
janon330@reddit
Billionaires arent going to sell their stocks and crash the market and ruin their net worth lol.
libertarianinus@reddit
? What are you talking about? I said if the government takes it, then they are effectively part owners of that company. If the 10% of amazon owned by Bezos was sold at one time, who would be the ones buying it? There would not be a market for the current price, so it would have to be priced at a lower amount, and then the cycle will continue until its lower and lower, crashing the stock price. Multiple this by 800 billionaires.
timbernforge@reddit
“educated”
bcarty727@reddit
They sure try their best to
CaffeineJitterz@reddit
Look, it's because we're not taxing enough. Let's try for 15% and see the numbers.
pauljrupp@reddit
Just one more tax, bro, then everything will be solved
dratseb@reddit
It’s working for the Royal family
Interesting_Age_7038@reddit
The "long-debunked and fully discredited" Laffer Curve is at it again.
zombielicorice@reddit
I constantly have to explain to people on the left and right that tax revenue is not 1:1 correlated with tax rates. People say shit all the time like, "cutting taxes is causing the deficit"
Leather-Application7@reddit
"Tax the rich!"
p4rc0pr3s1s@reddit
It's almost like taxation is theft... and people don't like to be stolen from...
SpareSimian@reddit
Eat the rich! (9 minutes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ
SpareSimian@reddit
The top 10% flee a country when wealth taxes are imposed. But tax lovers deny it by lumping them into a lower cohort. https://econ.lse.ac.uk/staff/clandais/cgi-bin/Articles/WealthMigration_slides2021.pdf
SpareSimian@reddit
Nordic countries have faced this regularly. Here's the latest "brain drain": https://euroweeklynews.com/2025/02/03/national-skilled-worker-shortage-graduates-fleeing-from-sweden-losing-the-country-2-8-billion-krona-per-year/
BastiatF@reddit
The goal isn't to increase tax revenues but to get spiteful people to vote for you
SpiritAnimalLeroy@reddit
Didn't Sweden or Norway go through almost this exact same thing not too long ago with their idiotic "wealth" tax? It's like people are so incapable of recognizing iron laws of economics that they actually choose to rinse and repeat failed policies.
Tacoshortage@reddit
France did a decade ago.
johngalt504@reddit
It's because they think that people with wealth aren't deserving of it and that when they have said wealth, those people don't care about more of it being taken away. Shocker, most people don't like having their money forcibly taken away from them, regardless of how much they make.
Sarin10@reddit
pivot from "taxing the rich will fix our country" to "well being a billionare is immoral anyways so we just need to take their money"
unfortunateavacado24@reddit
You don't even have to understand the economics, you just need to be able to recognize simple patterns. This happened every time they do this.
shupack@reddit
I'm not an expert, but I think basic pattern recognition is an excluding condition for statists.
xrp10000@reddit
Statists are like a bad boss. They think you work hard and take shit because you were told to, not because you have personal incentive.
persona-3-4-5@reddit
Yes
https://guardian.pressreader.com/article/281990381803142
Avtamatic@reddit
Yeah, that's what Socialists do.
LocalSlob@reddit
Humanity has no idea what it's doing. How many economic collapses are manmade
ManufacturerLost7686@reddit
Norway specifically, but Sweden is looking at a similar situation where companies are leaving en masse.
Sweaty_Ad_4049@reddit
Leftist: The damn greedy unpatriotic billionaire. How dare they transfer money out of the country. They should sit there and let us take their money.😡
TheDonOfDons@reddit
I mean, literally this but unironically.
Rnee45@reddit
You are personally free to pay more in taxes than the minimum required rate, you know?
TheDonOfDons@reddit
I'm well aware. The difference is people like me are struggling to make ends meet, meanwhile these billionaires and millionaires are on their 5th house, benefiting from the tax system that helped them achieve their wealth. All the while, there are people in desperate need of help. It's a zero sum solution, that people here unfortunately don't like the answer to.
Btw I'm very open to discussion on this, I find this topic super interesting.
Sweaty_Ad_4049@reddit
I know some lefties. They probably know transfer money or tax dodging better than I do. However, I don't know why they still support high tax.
dbudlov@reddit
As always, more theft means less wealth overall, one way or another
fussgeist@reddit
Doesn’t really apply to the US as you will still owe the tax regardless (with some exceptions) of your residency. Renounce your citizenship is your escape.
Thuban@reddit
Believe it or not, you have a fee and and a tax to surrender your citizenship.
stockchaser317@reddit
It's like 20% isn't it?
Perfect_Cost_8847@reddit
UK ministers getting some ideas…
PunkCPA@reddit
Right. Most countries have a "water's edge" tax policy, under which nothing outside the country is taxable. The US income tax is on worldwide income, although foreign taxes can offset US taxes. There are even situations where US states may claim you still owe them. California and New York are among the most tenacious.
Perfect_Cost_8847@reddit
Now imagine what will happen with the often discussed wealth tax.
Due_Researcher2912@reddit
When the rich pack up and leave, who inherits the earth? The tax consultants, apparently.
Disastrous-Object647@reddit
I heard someone on Reddit say that only people who believe in trickle-down economics believe in capital flight, but here I am, looking at capital flight, and I don't believe in trickle-down economics
redpandaeater@reddit
Democrats are the only ones that believe in trickle-down economics in the sense that they're the ones that made up the facetious term and are the only ones to use it. Supply-side economics isn't about trying to increase tax revenue by lowering taxes but simply to lower taxes to spur private growth. It's theoretically possible that government revenue could increase but it's pretty unlikely especially when nobody has a promise of current tax cuts lasting beyond a current administration. The common sense part of supply-side economics that both major parties can't seem to figure out is that when you cut taxes you should also cut expenditures.
MemeticParadigm@reddit
In my experience, nobody who makes reference to trickle-down economics thinks it's the idea that net tax revenue gets higher when taxes are lower.
Rather, trickle-down economics is the idea that the growth you refer to here:
benefits the lower classes more than the public services that would otherwise be funded by those taxes do.
So, if that's what you think - that that hypothetical growth is more beneficial to the lower classes than the public services those taxes would fund - then you do, in fact, subscribe to the thing that Democrats are talking about when they use the term trickle-down economics, just FYI.
natermer@reddit
There are two things they don't understand:
The ultra wealthy can just pull a "Atlas Shrug" and stop giving a damn about everything and while they will lose significant portion of their wealth they will still have more then enough wealth to be rich for the rest of their lives, and their children's lives, and their children children's lives.
Most of multi-billionaire's wealth only exist on paper. It is tied up in various assets like land, bonds, and capital investment. It isn't like there some savings or checking account somewhere filled to the brim with billions of dollars.
So if you were simply pass a law forcing the billionaire to sell off his assets to pay a 99% wealth tax.... Who is going to be left to actually buy it?
I mean if you want to take Bill Gates and Elon Musk's wealth and use it to fund Medicare-for-all... what is the actual mechanism you are going to use to turn Twitter ownership or holdings in waste management into money to pay doctors and government bureaucrats?
Who is going to be paying for all of that? That is actually buying up their assets and giving the money to the government?
Other billionares? The ones you just forced to sell off all their junk, as well?
At the very least the value of all of that is going to dive. You might only be able to get 20-40% of the value on paper.
And then after that you have no more billionaires to get wealth from. So it is a one shot deal.
Who are you going to loot next year? The people that looted the billionaires this year?
badskinjob@reddit
Part of what you touched on is to get those 'billions of dollars' from one guy, will make the next guy's wealth shrink. If you sold all of Tesla stock that Elon has then Tesla tumbles and that hits everybody's 401ks and everything else and it snowballs. Not to mention if a company's stock drops they layoffs start and nobody has money so they stop buying... Blah blah blah....
The left just don't understand any of this.
Chrisc46@reddit
Trickle-down simply means upward mobility of the lower classes through the efforts of the upper classes. On a macro scale, we see it as improvements in the quality of life of the lower classes through innovations. On a more micro scale, it happens any time a person is trained at one company and then starts their own competing company or moves up the corporate ladder.
The problem is that capitalism, as we know it today, is not open or free enough to see micro-scale examples as often as we would otherwise. It is full of economic distortions created by government intervention. As such, cronyism and trickle-down are largely incompatible.
wgcole01@reddit
Come on! No one could have predicted that!
coatingtonburlfactry@reddit
SaltySquirrel0612@reddit
The UK isn’t known for being smart when it comes to taxes. TAXATION IS THEFT!! Here end the lesson.
jdrower422@reddit
And Atlas shrugged
SilverRain007@reddit
The Laffer Curve strikes again!
1-Ohm@reddit
So nothing else changed? This was a controlled experiment?
hoppynsc@reddit
Who is John Galt?
texdroid@reddit
You got to raise the tax on people that are too poor to just pull up stakes and leave the country.
/s
wtfredditacct@reddit
iroll20s@reddit
I think Illinois needs to hear this. The people they most want to tax into oblivion are also the most mobile people with the ability to leave.
erdricksarmor@reddit
Careful, once the politicians catch on to this they'll try to institute a worldwide wealth/capital gains tax. I think they may be already talking about it.
JustaddReddit@reddit
It’s almost like the underlings didn’t listen to us.
WarOk4035@reddit
It has never been easier to put the tent up somewhere else ..
jmorais00@reddit
The Laffer curve isn't just about wealth drain, it's about the strangling of the productive sector making it less productive leading to lower overall taxes. Brazil has experienced this after the current socialist government took office
But yeah similar outcome
natermer@reddit
I don't think there is a distinction here between 'wealth drain' and 'strangling of the productive sector'.
A major part of why there exist a curve between tax rates and tax revenue is that individual's behavior and choices are impacted by tax policy. It is really impossible to separate individual choice from national economic productivity.
bethechaoticgood21@reddit
Didn't France do something similar a few years ago.
sssanguine@reddit
Evolution and capitalism are the same things only rebranded. The hubris of the state to think they can do better than nature
Independent_Bath_922@reddit
But taxes good, rich bad
12dv8@reddit
Gee, rich people voted with their feet, who knew.
castingcoucher123@reddit
If Britain had something to offer the rich in return to their 1p% taken away, even 2% worth of a return. They wouldn't leave. It was already not worth living there. Take the money to Singapore or Thailand and be warm and rich and surrounded by beautiful people