Why are UK kids totally different today?
Posted by Sad-Passage-3247@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 1275 comments
Even my own kids.
My wife and I are raising them to have respect for their peers, teachers and community etc.
But even they're totally different to my own generation. I was an 80s kid/90s teen. And I know technology has moved on SO much. But wow.
When I was a kid, before I moved to a coastal town, I considered any free time i spent without a ball at my feet a waste. When I moved to the coast, if we got sunshine I'd be in the sea before i was old enough for summer jobs.
I was a late dad, becoming one for the first time at the age of 35. And my last just months before turning 38. So perhaps I'm looking at the past through rose tinted specs.
Are we the only parents who cause a massive sulk with our kids every time we take our kids technology off of them to get them to be social and/or have some exercise?
Also, why does it appear like an increasingly higher amount of kids don't respect authority figures any more? Neither Teachers nor Police officers. I remember a few occasions as a kid when a copper stared in my direction, I hadn't done anything wrong, but the look they gave made me feel as though I had, and I'd get home and be an absolute angel.
Also on the occasion where we dipped a toe over the line, if someone in your street threatened you with "telling your parents" my God, you went home and elevated yourself to saint like behaviour, and hoped your parents didn't find out about the time you climbed a lamppost and scared the hell outta the old folks who were genuinely concerned for your safety☺️
Now? A lot of kids I see have no fear of authority. I don't want the UK to return to when teachers could administer physical punishment. Likewise with the police, I don't want it to return to when they could pretty much assault you in the cells......
But i do wonder has it gone too far the other way?
If so, what has caused it? Lockdown? I can't just blame "lazy parenting" because i don't know what makes a "good parent."
I just want my kids to feel confident that they're loved. Understand that "No" is not a swearword. Be healthy and happy. Understand that anything worth having has to be worked for, but not have to work as many hours as their old man for their kids to be able to enjoy life.
One thing for sure, I hope some of the kids I see today aren't one day my carer in a sunshine home where I'm watching re-runs of Kilroy (only kidding) unless they do some serious growing up by then.
Problem is, in most cases you take the values you learn as a kid into adulthood. You don't just suddenly become totally different the moment you turn 18.
paleblooddaviey@reddit
When I was a kid, I spent any moment not spent with a book or guitar in my hands wasted.
Authority figures at all levels have shown themselves to be unworthy of respect - from the very top of our society down - so it’s no wonder to me if there’s no respect being giving from the kids. Why would they respect people who have no respect for them?
Sad-Passage-3247@reddit (OP)
I see your point. But I know a fair few teachers and teaching assistants, and the consistent thing I'm hearing is that they all feel like they're punchbags for the kids. This is across multiple schools and indeed multiple areas. Perhaps that's a coincidence, but something sounds different.
petrolstationpicnic@reddit
Coincidence mate
My class made a newly qualified Spanish teacher (spoke very little English) cry, when they spent weeks calling her every name under the sun before she found out what it meant.
Another teacher got locked in a cupboard.
Stink bombs in various classrooms.
And I went to a fairly nice school in the early 2000s, kids have always been cunts
plumbus_hun@reddit
Middle class secondary school, there was a heart fight in my biology class. The teacher had a breakdown and didn’t come back.
ColtAzayaka@reddit
They also made my Spanish teacher cry. He was an excellent teacher and he was so supportive that honestly, I had a very easy time getting an A* for his subject.
It genuinely pissed me off. One of the three guys who would always fuck around with him and be disruptive was actually quite good at the language; he was easily on track for an A* – or at least an A. It was nice to see his confidence increase when he got stuff correct and was praised. You could see he didn't want to show it, but he was proud of it.
During class we had to pick between higher tier and foundation (foundation is capped at a C, but is much easier, just in case someone doesn't know). This was done by going around the class one by one and we'd just call out what we wanted. When it got to him, he turned to look at the other two idiots who never tried, were always disrespectful, and they were stifling their laughter - he then turned around and picked foundation.
I will never forget how hard my heart sank when he did that. Even the teacher was a bit shocked but he insisted on it because of the two morons behind him.
A bit of a tangent but wow. You reminded me of that incident. I still feel weird about it. Not sure why it impacted me so much but knowing some people have "friends" who will actively guide them to make bad decisions is so sad to me.
Acrobatic_Art2905@reddit
this feels like a mirror image of what happened to me like 2 years ago. at the start of y9 i was on track for a 9/A* but by the time we had to pick higher / foundation i ended up picking foundation to the disappointment of my teacher solely because i despised the subject and now i'm capped at a 5/C
Bigfootsbooots@reddit
Tbh that is pretty terrible pedagogical practice to make kids declare in front of each other that way. Many kids will have given in to peer pressure and made the wrong decision. Absolutely no need to do it that way, at all.
liseusester@reddit
I went to what was a well respected school in the early 2000s with good exam outcomes and a lot of parental involvement and reasonable extracurriculars. A good school by all metrics. We still had a kid pin the French teacher's goldfish to a noticeboard whilst it was alive because he didn't like that she'd told him off for not having done his homework.
doesnt_like_pants@reddit
It doesn’t sound like you went to a nice school at all.
I went to a nice school and finished 2009 and can genuinely say nothing like that ever happened at our school.
Granted it was not a state school but the idea that students could publicly bully teachers and the school be considered “nice” is alien to me.
petrolstationpicnic@reddit
No, you just went to private school.
This was a well regarded, relatively high achieving school in a middle class area. These were isolated incidents, not really indicative of the culture at the school.
But teenagers can be cunts!
Welshpoolfan@reddit
Yep.
In my school, we made a newly qualified French teacher break down and cry. This was the last time we ever saw her (im hoping she simply moved to a new rotation rather than quitting teaching).
Camera phones (still hugely novel when I was in secondary school) were used to take photos of the "fit" teachers when they bent down to pick something up or whatever.
I remember a kid in the year above me punching a teacher.
Almost every teacher was given some sort of well-known nickname that different in severity depending on how well-liked the teacher was.
Kids were bullied. "Gay" was used as a term for anything remotely bad ("homework is well gay"). There were semi-regular fights.
None of this is new.
Comfortable-Pace3132@reddit
Every state school gets every kind of child so the idea that some are 'nice' and some are 'not nice' isn't really reliable. I would put myself in the same boat as the person you replied to, pretty nice school in very nice area but still cunt kids galore
anon23336@reddit
As a teacher, I can agree with this. I've seen a change across my career.
pizzaosaurs@reddit
Incidents with teachers at my secondary schools I went to
First one - teacher's hair dry on fire on purpose - thumb tacks used on a chair regularly against teachers they didn't like - teacher locked in a cupboard and left their crying - dragging a student across the ground giving them carpet burns because they refused to leave their class and give them respect -teacher getting hurt when stopping a student from trying to purposefully injure themselves with a handsaw - windows smashed by year 11s on their last day - a teacher got injured when a student purposely threw a javelin at them
I was there less than 2 years...
Moved to a school that was a grammar school less than 500 metres away and had a very different experience for the 5 years I was there with the student population being supportive of their teachers.
10 years ago reports came out that students were more compassionate towards others then COVID happened and behaviour was impacted as well as changes around technology with a report this week that shows if you are a boy and create a TikTok account, you will on average see extremist stuff within 30 minutes due to the algorithm.
About 3 years ago someone did research that showed that when you like anything misogynistic in tone, you get down far right symbols take over your feed.
We have female teachers who are scared if they find out students watch/fans of Andrew Tate. Others who are having their arms broken in primary settings because kids who used to be supported in specialist facilities are now in mainstream settings.
So yes there's some rose tinted stuff going on but there's also some issues that aren't being dealt with and it's causing an issue with teacher retention.
Relative-Thought-105@reddit
I think a lot of that is also down to schools not supporting teachers, not having decent behaviour plans and the shit standards they have for teachers now. When I was training, some of the people on my course were thick as mince.
JuanDiablos@reddit
I work in a school and one of the things that surprised me was how tolerant and understanding most of the kids are with other kids that have disabilities, kids with autism and lgbt kids.
When I was in school in the 90s/early 2000s, if you came out as gay you would get bullied no question. It would be social suicide. But now I see a lot of kids being themselves, and it's very refreshing to see honestly. I feel like a lot of kids feel like they can be themselves more now than they could in the past and that's only a good thing.
MissKLO@reddit
This has been the line for at least 30 years
TheFunInDysfunction@reddit
Agree with the other points here, I went to a great school in a very nice area 25 years ago, we were still twats and we made teachers cry. Importantly, it was only ever the ones who couldn’t command respect, I never saw the ones who taught well get any grief and they usually had a reputation from the older students that was earned over many years. In a related manner, teaching as a profession has been hamstrung for nearly two decades with governmental policy focusing on recruiting teachers rather than retaining them. At the same time, pupil to teacher ratio has gone up so at the start of the century you were more likely to have fewer students being taught by a more experienced teacher, now it’s more kids being controlled by a younger teacher, with less experience who probably won’t still be there by the time you’re in year 11.
There are broader points to your lack of respect that I’d suggest are both cultural and economic. On the first point, our elderly could have been fighters in WW2 or survivors of the blitz, their experiences engendered respect. Our elderly have no innate respect built in, many were youths in the countercultures of the 60s and 70s who fought authority, and don’t deserve respect for simply not being dead yet.
Economically, the police fight a losing battle, repeated funding cuts and redundancies mean they’re rarely seen and when they are, they’ve not got the time or manpower to deal with most personal crime, let alone stuff like traffic crime and if they’re not doing the basics (because they can’t) then what respect or even fear could they hope to instil in the youth of today?
Most importantly, earning a good living and getting ahead in life looks increasingly less realistic, so why would a young person today respect the traditions and figures of a society that has very little to offer them in return? If you’ve got nothing to lose then you’ll act accordingly.
paleblooddaviey@reddit
I didn’t say it was a coincidence, but it doesn’t do anything to disprove what I said.
AdmRL_@reddit
I had a teacher in the early 00s who had stories from the 90s, including a kid who hit him with a chair and jumped out the (ground floor) window to escape school. While in my own time at a relatively shit school I've seen a teacher be locked in a cupboard and the kid ran away with the keys. I've seen a teacher be spat at and one major event was when a kid let the air out of the tyres of 2 teachers' cars they didn't like.
My step dad has stories from the 70s where he effectively stole a guys car - one of the old Morris' that weighed next to nothing and 10 of them picked it up and carried it down the road as a prank. He used to ditch school, swear at teachers and pretty much everything you and others are decrying as some sort of modern phenomena.
Basically, you've become aware of these issues in later life, so to you they're new problems. You're then working backwards to explain them and why you didn't see them as a kid, when in reality.. you just didn't experience them. Even though they've always happened.
No-Low4469@reddit
Larger class sized = more bad kids despite overall similar quality of average child.
Gruejay2@reddit
It's affected all Western societies across the same timeframe, since the rise of social media. Yes, there are a hell of a lot of problems, but the amplification of many issues beyond all proportion is being exploited on a massive scale, and we're now starting to see the serious, long-term effects of that. It's not looking good.
No-Insurance3043@reddit
Because we are terrible parents
Canipaywithclaps@reddit
Yup.
The fact OP says his kids sulk when technology is taken away… and yet continues to gives his kids technology is a real indication of this.
I really don’t understand why children need any (non family orientated) technology before secondary school at a minimum. Seeing primary school age children that know how to use a tablet/phone etc is wild.
UXdesignUK@reddit
While I generally agree with you that it should be minimised as much as possible, my youngest is 6 and his “homework” (maths and phonics games) is all on a tablet. Kind of hard to avoid.
We massively limit other exposure to it though, he might have 10 minutes a day, half of which will be homework and half is supervised logic games, and never let him have it outside of the house (so not in restaurants, the car, public transport etc).
But it’s not feasible to have none while it’s a requirement in school.
plumbus_hun@reddit
Yeah, my kids both have tablets, and the main reason I got them one was because I wanted to get them a tutor, but they are £25 an hour! So I spent the money on a tablet and a doodle learning subscription instead! They also always are chatting to their cousins or grandma on FaceTime, which is also a bonus!
Extension_Drummer_85@reddit
You can just get them to do it on paper and then photograph it to hand it in.
UXdesignUK@reddit
Why would we do that? Their screen time is extremely limited, always supervised and educational, and they have tons of social and physical hobbies.
The small amount of screen time for homework has the added benefit of getting them exposed to controlling user interfaces (exposure which their peers will be getting, so avoiding them falling behind on that front).
acnebbygrl@reddit
This is crazy to me. Surely you could complain as a parent. Homework on tablets for a 6 years old is insane
UXdesignUK@reddit
It started when he started reception at 4 (for everyone who started in his school).
I don’t have any complaints really (except having to buy him a tablet in the first place). He enjoys doing little maths and phonics puzzles in the evenings and it helps him learn those things. Makes it easy for us and the teacher to track his progress.
acnebbygrl@reddit
Well yeah. This is already unacceptable. Schools aren’t meant to require you to buy a goddamn tablet for your kid to be able to participate. That’s insane. Use jotters lol.
FeelingDegree8@reddit
It can be done on a smart phone. I don't know anyone who doesn't already have one of those.
acnebbygrl@reddit
Kids shouldn’t be using them it’s well known among scientists what it’s doing to their brain. The inventor of smart phones doesn’t even give them to his own kids. Screens reduce their grey matter in the brain and make their brain resemble that of an addicts.
FeelingDegree8@reddit
Screens are unavoidable. You'd have to homeschool your children and not take them outdoors to guarantee they never see a screen. I'm sure living in the woods and hunting and gathering your own food is better for your brain too. It's not feasible anymore.
acnebbygrl@reddit
If you think it’s unfeasible for a child to live without screens that’s actually very sad…you just don’t give them to your child. Child can use one in school when necessary. Homework can be done the way it’s always been with a pencil and paper. Films and tv can be watched as they always were. You literally just don’t need to give them a smartphone that’s all. Or be addicted to it yourself cause children are sponges and if mum and dad are constantly on their phone that’s what they learn is “normal”. Phone addiction isn’t normal though and it’s perfectly possible to raise your child without it
FeelingDegree8@reddit
Phone addiction or even a smart phone is not the same as no screens though is it? Even if you never use a smart phone you will need to use a computer at some point. My point about a child doing homework on the smart phone is that you don't have to buy a tablet if the school put homework on an app because you'll already have a smart phone that can be used.
acnebbygrl@reddit
Yes but I’d rather my child use their hands to write and not be on my phone. Why would I need to give my child MY phone so the child can do THEIR homework? That’s ridiculous.
And phone addiction is related to how present screens are in their lives yes. It’s like passive smoking. No one is saying to be puritan about it and never look at a screen but only when necessary and imo they’re not necessary for homework. I have a few primary school teachers in my family and they would agree.
FeelingDegree8@reddit
It's really not that big of a deal. They still get given homework that they have to do with pen and paper, they also have an app or website with maths games and such.
Id imagine the real issue with smartphones and the like is the content you access and how accessible that content is made by the smart phone. Schools putting some homework on them is not the issue in my opinion.
acnebbygrl@reddit
It’s an issue because the teacher is not able to monitor the smartphone use if it’s homework. And adults clearly can’t be trusted cause there’s a lot of childhood neglect. If schools want to use iPads or whatever as teaching material then do it at school. But requiring it outside school is insane to me. And also ours pressure on the family to give the kid a smartphone or tablet. It’s unnecessary and irresponsible.
acnebbygrl@reddit
Well yeah. This is already unacceptable. Schools aren’t meant to require you to buy a goddamn tablet for your kid to be able to participate. That’s insane. Use jotters lol.
WatchYourStepKid@reddit
This is part of the issue. WHY is it insane?
Maybe it is, but nobody seems to say why. They just say it likes it’s an undeniable fact.
It saves money in the long run. It requires less paper that is ultimately just thrown away. It’s much easier to mark, which (at least in theory) gives teachers more time to focus elsewhere or just avoid burning out.
I am an adult with a job. I do not write on paper virtually ever, I use technology all day. This is how most things are, when you apply to a bank you do it online. You manage your banking through an app.
Technology, simply, is not going anywhere, so I don’t see how it’s any advantage to stop kids learning how to use it at a young age. I’m not saying they should be on social media unchecked, but I think you’re going too far.
acnebbygrl@reddit
The creator of this very technology doesn’t let his own kids use it. Check out the research on what the tech is doing to kids brains. Yeah they need to learn how to use it…eventually. Like we all did. They also need to learn how to write and develop dexterity in their fingers and motor skills. As someone who has been working in schools, the future generation literally can’t do things like using scissors or tying shoelaces cause we have removed those activities in favour of technology. We are literally devolving the human race. Many docs and scientists are genuinely worried at what we are collectively enabling to happen. It’s our responsibility as the adults to prevent this from happening and to give our kids the best possible chance to develop their brains and bodies properly.
UXdesignUK@reddit
It started when he started reception at 4 (for everyone who started in his school).
I don’t have any complaints really (except having to buy him a tablet in the first place). He enjoys doing little maths and phonics puzzles in the evenings and it helps him learn those things. Makes it easy for us and the teacher to track his progress.
UXdesignUK@reddit
It started when he started reception at 4 (for everyone who started in his school).
I don’t have any complaints really (except having to buy him a tablet in the first place). He enjoys doing little maths and phonics puzzles in the evenings and it helps him learn those things. Makes it easy for us and the teacher to track his progress.
Relative-Thought-105@reddit
I seriously hate that schools give tablet games as homework. I don't blame the teachers as God knows they're strapped for time but it is just ludicrous.
Any educator knows by now the problems with screen time and the benefits of writing things down instead of clicking a screen.
Canipaywithclaps@reddit
I mean no leisure activities on the tablet. It can be an educational tool you hand over for homework, for which they sit at the table whilst you are in the kitchen/doing whatever you do and that is all. It can be ‘mummy’ or ‘daddy’s’ tablet they you get to specially use for school work, rather then theirs that they have any autonomy over.
No games downloaded (or if you use it too all password protected).
Did nobody grow up being told boundaries like the TV is only for adults after x time? If you are a kid and you parents are consistent you just don’t question these things until you are much older.
TheFunInDysfunction@reddit
To be fair, I’d say primary age children that know how to use a phone is a low bar. I’ve seen a 2 year old be given access to a home screen of a phone and work out within 5 minutes how to swipe to navigate and that clicking the apps makes stuff happen, the phones are designed to be user friendly. By the age of four, it wouldn’t take long at all for a kid to look like they know how to use a phone so I wouldn’t say it’s indicative of a large amount of exposure.
Canipaywithclaps@reddit
The bar SHOULD be that low. I’m not talking about children not having a large amount of exposure, I’m talking about the fact children that young shouldn’t really have any exposure.
MarriageAA@reddit
I'd like to just ask you why? What's the rationale for not exposing youngsters to modern things?
If it, and it usually is, is because you say something like "I never had it" or "it's warping their brains" or "it's lazy parenting" then I disagree. Tech is the most crucial part of our society and has a huge set of benefits.
I'm trying to think of a pre-tech equivalent. Something like "2 year olds shouldn't be given books" or "2 year olds shouldn't be allowed paints".
I vehemently disagree with OP on his stance about children (it's quite a bit 'old man shouts at clouds') and as a 43 year old parent of a teenager I am not only in awe of the opportunity and progress my child has ahead of him, I am also worried about the pressure children have in them these days. They now seem to be expected to confirm to everybodies standards and appear to be monitored much much more than I ever was. Everything is tracked, tested, reported, recorded. It must be such a mental strain.
Canipaywithclaps@reddit
The rational is that current modern technology is specifically designed to be highly addictive by experts in their field, and is mimicking the symptoms of ADHD.
Children, particularly young children, have such plasticity in their developing brain that giving them this tech will cause long term change to their brains towards these addictive consoles.
Furthermore, a lot of this tech takes time away from ‘play’, a vital part of development that children have gone through our entire history in order to develop certain social, imaginative skills. As someone who works with children by god you can see the consequence of this.
MarriageAA@reddit
Do you mean social media rather than 'modern technology'?
I'm not sure I agree that console are designed to be highly addictive and mimick ADHD?
On the play aspect, this is the issue, we are into a species defining change in our life. So "what we used to do" may well be a barrier rather than an advantage. Tech advancements are full of stories of "we have always done it like this". Now, you can strongly dislike that this is happening, but it IS happening. Keeping a child away from a device until they are 12 (as examples in this thread) could highlight them as a luddite amongst peers. I'm not sure which way it will go, however I do worry the current generation of parents (me included) are not equipped to deal with this monumental change in social behaviour.
Canipaywithclaps@reddit
I mean ‘modern technology’ to mean interactive screens. Anything that displays a game or social media platform that is designed to be addictive.
TheFunInDysfunction@reddit
Sure, I’m not advocating for access to tech, I’m commenting that primary school age children knowing how to use tech that is designed to be user friendly isn’t wild - it could equally indicate unhealthy levels of exposure to phones or a kid that on a handful of occasions got into a phone that they shouldn’t have.
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
So no gameboys for kids anymore?
Canipaywithclaps@reddit
‘I was so fucking bored’… then you were an early version of what is now happening to most children.
I was allowed TV on for a few hours on a Saturday morning, I was never ‘bored’.
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
Live in an artificial environment, the fun things are often banned or restricted.
Tbh even at 30 I still have the same problem but to a much lesser degree because now at least I can do some more things. But wild camping is still functionally illegal. Lighting a camping stove on the beach is illegal. Using the stove somewhere else the legality is unclear. Carrying a bushcrafting knife for splitting and feathering firewood, maybe a bit of carving, no idea if that counts as a good reason or not and sources are conflicted on it.
Probably illegal to make throwing spears and use them on a footpath at random targets, but I don't own any land of my own that I could use. I wonder if that would be ok with rubber flat heads.
Canipaywithclaps@reddit
As long as you are responsible and aren’t bothering people generally people don’t care.
I’ve wild camped in various parts of the uk (not just Scotland) and haven’t had much issue. It’s a real shame regarding campfires.
Defo work campaigning for better wild camping laws
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
Are children allowed to do the other things I listed without someone calling the police?
Canipaywithclaps@reddit
There is always a risk of someone calling the police for anything you do, adult or child, people are ridiculous.
I’ve personally never had issues with carrying a knife in the countryside.
And of course you shouldn’t be attacking people with spears -_-
pantone13-0752@reddit
TV is technology too. You don't take away one screen and replace it with another. As for other things to do, well, there's books, drawing, painting, music, cooking, baking, puzzles, board games or, you know, playing.
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
Didn't have money to buy stuff like that. Most things I did that I actually enjoyed were illegal in some way, usually trespassing on fields or carrying a knife to make a pointy throwing stick or a campfire.
Though the only time a farmer got mad and threatened is was when we were actually on a public footpath. Turns out it's easier to remain undetected in the hedges.
here4theptotest2023@reddit
It sounds like OP has already lost the war. Possibly a case of kids playing divide and conquer by going to the parent who caves first. A house divided cannot stand.
InformationNew66@reddit
Kids spend 6.5 hours a day in school. That's a lot of time and significant compared to time spent with parents.
Snoo58499@reddit
Disagree, my wife and I (and as far as I know, most of the other parents we know our age) are far better parents than the average 1990s parents were.
NixyPix@reddit
Then that’s good, your children mustn’t be like OP’s kids?
Snoo58499@reddit
My reply wasn’t to OP.
Mavericks7@reddit
The conversation nobody wants to have.
Parenting is hard, no doubt, and it's harder today than it was 20-30 years ago.
But we need to stop blaming everything under the sun, it all comes down to parenting.
TangerineFew6830@reddit
Also, they are not left to be ‘bored’ and find ways to make their own entertainment, mine dont have ipads etc / I have no want to introduce them - I put loads of toys out etc, and I just let them figure it out, especially when they have a sibling etc, they get so much more imaginative which is much better for the brain and development then prolonged screen time etc
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
I usually got told off for finding my own entertainment. But down the street got really mad at us for playing with sticks. Farmer threatened to set his dogs on us for being on his (public footpath) fields.
pinkthreadedwrist@reddit
This is a really fucking good point.
deep8787@reddit
Agreed, that's where it all starts, at home.
MattyJMP@reddit
I don't want to sound like the world's biggest boomer (I'm 28), but it's phones, the internet, social media, online gaming, etc., combined with the fact that your 'average Joe' is getting poorer and poorer. Plain and simple.
Kids are indoctrinated at a young age with ideas that range from unhealthy to the outright insane. I remember doing a university open day for a group of year 7s a while back. Bright, academic kids from a 'target inner city school' (low social mobility, high FSM rates, that sort of thing). No word of a lie, 1/2 of the students said their dream job was TikTok.
This influence is coupled with the fact that families are spending less time together because both parents are out trying to make ends meet. The concept of collective responsibility and being a good citizen has been eroded. Services that would otherwise support children have been cut. Maybe most importantly, the concept of a free/very cheap "third space" for socialising has completely disappeared - it is near impossible for people (children or otherwise) to socialise outside of work/school without paying quite a lot of money to do so.
The combination of these two things means that children are hearing all the wrong things and have no one present in there lives outside school to correct them.
Morganx27@reddit
When I was a child, my dream job was to be a Dalek. At least they've got semi realistic ambitions...
Ok-Train5382@reddit
Mine was and still is, winning loads of money
plumbus_hun@reddit
Same, my long term plan for wealth hinges on the £208 million I’m going to win on the euromillions!
No-Fix-1166@reddit
The way AI is going, that might be a realistic ambition now.
TheAmazingSealo@reddit
Lol mine was dog
Persistent-headache@reddit
I'm still waiting to discover my real parents are royalty and I'm a princess... I'm mid 40s.
MattyJMP@reddit
I certainly didn't want to be a parent attorney when I was a kid...
But I think it was good that lots of (high school) children wanted to be doctors, teachers, vets, etc., or even as something as unlikely as an astronaut. It meant they took some subjects seriously, picked up interests and applied themselves to activities that gave them legitimate skills - both practical and societal.
Even the kids that wanted to be a footballer or a pop star would at least get the benefits of doing exercise/learning music and socialising.
What do these kids that want to be TikTok stars actually get from their ambitions? Literally nothing - they spend hours a day passively and mindlessly taking in crap.
You can make the argument that it can develop technology skills, which are just as important as reading/writing now - I've seen people personally try to say this, as their toddler plays Roblox at any given opportunity. But youngsters are some of the least IT literate people I know. Many ~ 20 y/o are completely unable to use a computer for even the most basic tasks...
plz_understand@reddit
The lack of IT literacy in teenagers is actually really shocking. I teach sixth form and these kids are constantly on their devices, but are just as helpless when they encounter any kind of technological issue as my parents' generation (I'm a millennial). They can't figure out how to connect to a printer, how to save a Word document as a PDF, how to set up a wifi router, etc etc. There are some who are absolute whizzes, of course, but they are as rare as they were when I was a kid and similarly relied on by all their mates to sort their computer problems out for them. The rest of them can't do much if it's not right there in the app for them.
A lot of people think that online systems, apps etc are the key to modern teaching but getting the kids set up on anything is an absolute nightmare that takes an entire lesson, because if their screen deviates even slightly from what I'm telling them to do they can't figure it out without my help.
I lament that we millennials are likely the only generation that's considerably better with technology than both our parents AND our children.
MattyJMP@reddit
Yupp. I believe this is borne out by studies too; it's not just your experience.
And it's not just IT literacy. Gen Z are also very susceptible to scams because they simply don't now how to navigate things online. Simple stuff like checking the address of where a link is taking you is just complete unknown to them (likely because everything is app based).
elliohow@reddit
I wanted to be a Vicar, until I realised I wasn't religious.
pouchey2@reddit
A cousin of mine wanted to be the first non-Catholic pope.
Bbew_Mot@reddit
I think the head of one of the Orthodox churches is also called 'the Pope' so they wouldn't be the first!
Touch-Tiny@reddit
Too late!
Touch-Tiny@reddit
Why on earth would that stop you? Looking at some of the oddities with obscure beliefs about ministry an atheist would be a candidate for an archbishop’s slot after a couple of years in a parish.
Touch-Tiny@reddit
Why on earth would that stop you? Looking at some of the oddities with obscure beliefs about ministry an atheist would be a candidate for an archbishop’s slot after a couple of years in a parish.
catface@reddit
Never let anybody tell you you can't be a dalek, you go live your dream.
chloe_h76@reddit
Ballet dancer or gorilla for me 🦍 depending on mood
Sunshinetrooper87@reddit
How are you with steps?
desirewrites@reddit
I’m an adult and I want to do that now. I want to be a dalek. Done with adulting thanks.
-Voltaire@reddit
All of these things are anecdotal of course but when I was in year 7 20 years ago at least half the boys wanted to be footballers and half the girls wanted to be on Big Brother. Tik tok is just the new thing for this generation I feel.
MattyJMP@reddit
I made a similar response here re children wanting to be things like footballers - https://www.reddit.com/r/AskUK/s/haZWmuFySP
Yes, it's annecdotal and I agree with you. I think from about 20 years ago reality TV had a similar impact (but to a much lesser degree). There were some people in my school that wanted to be 'TV stars'. But the people still seriously clinging to that into high school often didn't amount to much at all...
Hell, even wanting to be a YouTuber in ~ 2010 arguably had some benefits. People would at least learn a bit about video making, editting, script writing and that.
TikTok and social media in general doesn't even impart those benefits. A highschooler that wants to be a TikTok star doesn't get any positive outcome. Often they aim to just do the most stupid and disruptive stuff they can do to cause a stir...
WatchYourStepKid@reddit
I’m not entirely convinced that being a YouTuber gives rise to all of these skills that being a TikTokker doesn’t.
I’m sorry but what do you even mean by “video making”? How does that not apply to TikTok? I’m not sure I’ve ever heard video making described as a skill.
The YouTubers kids wanted to be 10 years ago were people who played cod and fifa and screamed when they lost. They weren’t all wanting to make insightful video essays.
Editing is a skill but wasn’t 100% necessary, especially once streaming came through shortly after. They wanted to play games and be silly on camera and get paid for it. And they pretty much still do.
alien_sprig@reddit
I actually knew girls who wanted to be just like Katie price (then Jordan). That really isn't worlds away from gyrating on tiktok.
tfm992@reddit
Completely agree with you and I'm only a few years older.
We got roped into doing a careers day (we're both pilots for different airlines and live near a large airport) for 13/14 year olds, not company-sponsored, one of the local Councillors asked nicely) and I found the kids to be quite rude, we'd at least sit down and listen when people came in. I've noticed the same on the streets, with kids having no problems hurling abuse that's just off being a criminal offence, meaning there's absolutely nothing I can do about it. I accept myself as I am, however for someone who is struggling, I can see that causing a lot of problems for them. The lack of youth clubs and cuts to services in general is problematic for this.
Our daughter is 11, I'm honestly really worried for her come September, not for her but in terms of who she'll cross paths with. She's perfectly happy at the moment to either go to friends who came to the UK at about the same time as us (I'm originally British but lived abroad for a very long time), they'll come over to ours or she'll sit at home and read (by choice, she thinks she's being clever with a torch at night but has never worked out why the batteries never seem to run out). The only good news is that one of the boys who has spent a lot of time at ours is a few years older and in that school already, he'll take absolutely no abuse towards her and we will absolutely find out about it. She was pushed so hard she ended up with a broken leg for not speaking a language she doesn't speak already, these are primary aged kids.
We are lucky to largely be able to work opposing times (one earlies, one lates) with the same days off, so one of us is generally always around. I understand that many parents aren't in the position to do that.
AdmRL_@reddit
How is that any different to kids in the 90s/00s wanting to be on Jackass or Dirty Sanchez, or wanting to be a gangster rapper, or wanting to be a reality TV star, or wanting to be any of the other endless list of bad influences we had back then?
I've seen your point about "lack of skill" in TikTok, that's literally no different to girls wanting to be Katie Price in the 00s, or reality stars, etc.
The modern 3rd space is a CoD Lobby with your mates, or whatever online space you want to occupy.
Just because they aren't drowning their troubles at a pub or hanging out in a park doesn't mean they aren't socialising.
It is quite ironic you started your post with:
Because that is exactly what you sound like.
Leave_the_Capitol@reddit
That's worse!!!
MattyJMP@reddit
Not sure what your point is.
You're allowed to disagree with me - maybe you think that a CoD lobby is a valid a 3rd space as pubs, parks, libraries or markets or that kids wanting to be TikTok stars isn't an issue.
But I think there is a problem. Many people do - hence why OP raised the question in the first place.If you think kids have always just "been like this" and there won't be any repercussions from it, that's fine. I'm not so optimistic.
ihateeggplant24@reddit
I’m the same age as you. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to be a tik toker. Lots our age wanted to be YouTubers
Mavericks7@reddit
So? I was born in the 90s and the dream job back was making games.
spectrumero@reddit
> high FSM rates
I had to look that up, my first thought was "high Flying Spaghetti Monster rates".
Dashie_2010@reddit
I’d fully agree with you, especially regarding internet use, lack of social support and the concerning ideas it can spread. I’m 20 and just finished my second year at uni in an electronics course, I’ve a few shared lectures with the rest of the engineering cohort, including a professional development session, where all manner of things are discussed. Anyway, just hearing some of the things some said regarding what they plan to do job wise (social media’s were mentioned), environmental opinions (“it’s all a hoax”), and the general feel of certain political areas (women’s rights being the biggest shock) shocked me, especially when I remember that I’m sat in a room in higher education. As for socialising, even within the uni things are expensive, and third spaces for kids and young people are just not really available. Consequently I found growing up and still now, most people just sit inside on technology, and trying to go out is a major ordeal; transport, helicopter parents, finding something to do that isn’t terribly expensive, even just meeting up on bikes is difficult with the amount of traffic, and then - where to go? Parks, there aren’t any, the reservoir - the fishing committee can’t be having kids hanging around, in the end wandering around is the only thing to do, and with it and the boredom comes trouble. I was fortunate to have a well stocked garage so a friend and I would spend most our time hanging around in there occasionally making/breaking things, but most people don’t have that.
MattyJMP@reddit
I do wonder whether in trying to fix certain problems, society may have created a whole different issue of social isolation.
Stopping kids drinking loads, 'loitering' in parks, playing ball games in the street all seem like legitimate concerns to address alcohol/anti-social behaviour/road safety.
But, as you say, it's left young people with no real alternative other than being online and largely alone, or just doing nothing.
Gruejay2@reddit
Social media is such a big cause of this (and I'm fully aware that I'm on it now). It has allowed any idiot with a microphone (which is now everyone) to spread unchecked bullshit, and every single problem in society is constantly being put on blast as though it's the end of the world. Is it any surprise that everyone feels like things are getting worse? We're all a hell of a lot more exposed to it.
And in a healthier society, that would be a good thing, as spreading awareness and knowledge is great, but currently we're in a society where people can lie with impunity, and any attempt to introduce the mildest form of quality control is seen as the introduction of Stalinism (how convenient for the social media platforms).
And let's not forget that this hasn't affected all of our news sources as well. All of our politicians and journalists have been addicted to Twitter for the last 15 years, and it absolutely shows.
Spike_Milligoon@reddit
Some interesting points there. When i was a kid most of the dads on the street knew each other at work and if you played up then word would get back and you’d get a bollocking. Communities self policed as a result.
I wonder with the loss of manufacturing, influence of housing costs and availability, plus both parents working to make ends meet also has an impact. You could play out on the street as everyone knew each other.
Now you’d rather them be indoors as the roads are full of delivery vans zooming to hit their kpis, and neighbours don’t know each other / trust as much.
Awkward-Loquat2228@reddit
I blame the parents. In other words, you.
AboveAverage33@reddit
These days kids don’t have authority in or house the house so they grow up believing they’re above it.
ParsnipObvious449@reddit
I hear you, and I know the pain feels real because it is real. I’ve been there. I used to look out at the world and think everything was rigged against me too — society, people, the system, all of it. But eventually, I realized that path led nowhere. It kept me stuck, bitter, blaming, and lost. The real shift came when I started looking inward — taking full accountability, not because I caused everything, but because healing only starts there. You’ve got more power than you realize, but you’ll never find it by pointing out. The work is hard — it’ll break you, then rebuild you. But it’s worth it. You’ll stop surviving and start living.
cgknight1@reddit
I was indoors on my SNES or Megadrive.
I think it's just a grab-bag of the usual stuff that people say. People in the 1990s were saying the same things about your generation.
SigourneyReap3r@reddit
Same, I was never really an outdoor kid and I didn't like sports.
I was inside playing video games, at my friends playing video games or hanging on the street because I was kicked off my video games.
As an adult I also love staying in to play video games.
SigourneyReap3r@reddit
I'd also like to add, I have a very good job, a decent wage, can afford to rent alone and have a car, I'd consider myself fairly comfortable for the most part.
I do have social skills, I do attend social events, I do lots of things. Sitting inside playing video games didn't hinder me as an adult and in fact I made many friends due to it.
just_burn_it_all@reddit
Video games also teach useful dexterity and hand eye co-ordonation skills.
The Ukraine armed forces nimbly flying drobes with pinpoint accuracy, or the surgeon doing keyhole surgery using nothing but a screen and joystick, you can almost guarantee many of them had some exposure to video games
SigourneyReap3r@reddit
That's actually such a great point.
I didn't even consider that it would be a transferable skill tbh.
And now games have such great interaction features for socialisation that we have to consider maybe kids are just learning a new way to communicate that many of us don't understand, I know my niece has some friends (verified kids) all over the world due to roblox or something and has picked up languages and all sorts.
Special_Artichoke@reddit
I had the "why don't you play outside" thing a lot. I was inside, playing Sim City or the tycoon games (Rollercoaster Tycoon was my favourite). I revisited in lockdown and holy shit there's so much detail, there's essentially an income statement to navigate, loan drawdowns, marketing budgets. Way more transferable skills than if I'd gone and waved a stick about like my mother wanted.
cregamon@reddit
My wife used to play rollercoaster tycoon and it was on offer on the Switch recently so I picked it up for her.
Gave it a go myself and it’s reeled me in big time!
sayleanenlarge@reddit
Well, I was really good at GTA, so I'd make a great ambulance driver.
SigourneyReap3r@reddit
What isn't what that means and you know it
sayleanenlarge@reddit
Take the stick out. I was joking around. Obviously that's not what you meant.
SigourneyReap3r@reddit
Ah yes, a joke written with no indicators, that transferred really well
SatiricalScrotum@reddit
Not just physical skills, either. Gamers are better than non-gamers at certain visual tasks, like rapidly estimating quantity of a number of objects.
here4theptotest2023@reddit
Yeah it isnt a problem if your kid is addicted to screens and cries when told they can't have more time on their phone or tablet, they are going to grow up to be a surgeon.
just_burn_it_all@reddit
Sigh, such a typical reddit response
Nobody said anything about being addicted to phones or video games. You realise its possible to enjoy something without it being an addiction right?
In the same way someone can enjoy a glass of wine without being a raging alcoholic
ASCII_Princess@reddit
Or blow one up with a FPV drone.
Status_Jellyfish_213@reddit
They got me into computers
Really my main #1 interest is tech. It was never really encouraged and told to go outside.
Years later I revitalised it and studied at the open university while doing shitty nightshift in hospitality
Now I’m doing well as an engineer.
Never dismiss your kids interests
Metrobolist3@reddit
As another somewhat functional adult I basically just play videogames during time when I would most likely otherwise be watching TV, so it's not as if it's cutting into time when I might otherwise be composing a symphony or exchanging witty repartee over the canapes at a dinner party or something. Frankly the only thing of worth that videogames maybe ate into since I It was a kid is time spent reading. And Reddit and smartphones are guiltier on that count!
pharmamess@reddit
Don't blame Reddit, take responsibility.
oiAmazedYou@reddit
Legends. Staying in for games ftw
dildopants@reddit
Hell yeah staying in and playing videogames!
theivoryserf@reddit
I think 'so and so happened to some extent in the past therefore nothing has changed' is a fallacy. Free photorealistic games + smartphones + other smart devices isn't the same as a Megadrive.
jtr99@reddit
I think you may be right. I'm usually the first to agree that people have been shouting at kids to get off their collective lawn for thousands of year.
But on the other hand there's a lot of research out there suggesting that the generation of kids that grew up with smartphones really are different. This Jon Haidt book seems to cover a lot of it, for anyone who's interested: https://www.amazon.com/Anxious-Generation-Rewiring-Childhood-Epidemic/dp/0593655036
ASCII_Princess@reddit
On the plus side its had a massive effect on decreasing crime rates.
jinglesan@reddit
ASCII_Princess@reddit
Young people stay in and shoot people rather than go out and shoot people.
robfuscate@reddit
Pre video games and digital technology, I’d be inside reading a book until my dad would grab me by the ear and throw me outside; then I’d be outside reading a book
itsfourinthemornin@reddit
Hell yeah. I loved staying in with my games on my consoles (megadrive, playstation, eventually xbox), had a period I didn't play any and now I do again on my PC. I have a 10 year old and sometimes we say hell yeah to an afternoon/night playing video games - every day doesn't need to be an outside day imo!
ExistingLifeguard993@reddit
Feel sorry for you mate.
Astro-Butt@reddit
I spent an insane amount of time as a child and teen either watching tv, playing games on the tv and when out with family on my handhelds. I'd rather my kids played 3 hours of Minecraft than 30 minutes on a phone or tablet
nogeologyhere@reddit
Yes, just a parade of clichés based on this person's very specific experience of childhood. I was nothing like them in the 90s, gaming, reading, avoiding physical activity, drawing, ignoring authority.
panic_attack_999@reddit
I'm from that generation and I think lots of things have changed. It's not just cliches.
How many kids in your class directly disobeyed the teacher, or even squared up or got physical with them? Did teenagers mob stores and brazenly walk out with armfuls of stolen goods? Did they ride bikes down the wrong side of the road playing chicken with cars? I don't remember hearing about any of that back then, and I knew some pretty "dodgy" kids.
L1n9y@reddit
Those are still not common things now, the internet just makes them more well known.
Goose-rider3000@reddit
Not entirely. There are definitely trends in social behaviour. As a society, both kids and adults, people spend more time in front of screens and less time socialising than 30 years ago. Doesn’t mean it applies to everyone but you can’t deny the trend.
CulturalAd4117@reddit
It's the march of time and technology. The 2020s are to the 90s as the 90s were to the 60s. While you write reddit posts about kids spending all their time on fortnite and ticktocks your parents were probably moaning down the pub about kids spending all their time watching MTV and playing street fighter
TheAmazingSealo@reddit
'kids spending all their time watching MTV and playing street fighter'
My days, let me go back, please. What an amazing time to be a kid.
Own_Art_2465@reddit
Nobody actually had MTV though it was expensive AF. Plenty of street fighter and mortal combat though
TheAmazingSealo@reddit
Yeah, I didn't have it but had friends and grandparents that did. TBH I was more enamoured with Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon than MTV. Looking back it was cool not having it myself as it made the times when I could watch cable TV feel more special
Own_Art_2465@reddit
Cartoon network was glorious aroumd the late 90s, cow and chicken, ed edd and eddy, Dexters lab, Powerpuff girls, old Tom and Jerry and Scooby doo. Is it still a thing? Yes I know what you mean, we only ever got to really watch it when we went to a holiday place with sky so it took on sacred proportions for me.
later on in the 2000s we got a cheap version of sky and that was stuck on MTV2
TheAmazingSealo@reddit
It's still a thing but a shadow of what it once was. It had a renaissance period in the 2010's with great cartoons like Regular Show and Adventure Time. Now it's pretty much just re-runs of Teen Titans Go.
I think Warner Brothers shut down the big CN Studio building and there were lots of layoffs and they're basically killing the brand, sadly.
PlatypusAmbitious430@reddit
Yep, my dad's in his 50s and he's a lot calmer now. He's a doctor and has mellowed out a lot.
But mum said he turned up once at 1am at her house when he was a teenager and they were just dating. Her parents didn't like him because they thought he was bad news but he kept on ringing the bell demanding to be let in.
Jimbodoomface@reddit
I find it difficult to believe there's much more time you could have spent in front of a screen. We had telly in the morning before school, telly when we got in for cartoons, then the soaps were on and I'd have time to play computer games or read a book, then dinner in front of the telly- and if I tried to read a book in the evening instead of watching telly I'd get told off for being antisocial haha. Sometimes would go to a mates house and watch telly or play games.
If the weather was nice we might find a nice industrial estate to go break things or start fires. Usually it was too late after school and too cold to do much outside.
_redme@reddit
Different screens entirely. One designed by the most advanced psyche and behavioural science to grab your attention for constant short bursts, versus longer form entertainment. Apples and oranges other than the word 'screen'.
OhCrumbs96@reddit
But on the flip side, the nature of the engagement is vastly different. Absentmindedly watching television is vastly different to having a heated debate on Reddit, reading a blog post from a friend overseas or reading an online article about a family member's health condition.
Don't get me wrong - there's plenty of opportunity for brain-rotting on our screens but there are also opportunities to learn and actively engage with material that simply didn't exist 20+ years ago. Watching television was nice escapism back then, but it wasn't exactly cognitively engaging.
restless-researcher@reddit
I agree, watching a film or a series with family is quite different from having your nose stuck in a phone on tik tok or whatever
anunnaturalselection@reddit
> If the weather was nice we might find a nice industrial estate to go break things or start fires. Usually it was too late after school and too cold to do much outside.
This sums up most of Northern UK childhood so well 😂
Jimbodoomface@reddit
Bang on mate haha
Goose-rider3000@reddit
Whereas now, kids can walk through the door and have their nose against a screen for every second until they go to bed… if you let them.
Goose-rider3000@reddit
Whereas now, kids can walk through the door and have their nose against a screen for every second until they go to bed… if you let them.
TheHalfwayBeast@reddit
I socialise far more via the Internet than I did growing up in a tiny hamlet in the 90s. Before I discovered forums, I'd just sit inside and read all day.
Then_Hamster4160@reddit
million times more productive than you are now. Not to criticise but im the same. I got so much more done when there was less to do. I used to read and read. Now people just doomscroll.
TheHalfwayBeast@reddit
How is reading a YA fantasy book about elves and dragons productive in any way, shape, or form? It's actually less informative and interactive than scrolling Reddit.
And no, I was not more productive. I was, again, in a tiny hamlet in the middle of nowhere. The nearest decent-sized town was over an hour away by bus. I didn't go outside. I didn't have friends. I struggled to have hobbies, meet people, or go anywhere.
At least Neopets let me interact with humans outside of a dozen neighbourhood children who all hated me for being autistic.
Goose-rider3000@reddit
Obviously there will be individual exceptions but I was talking about trends.
Impossible-Fruit5097@reddit
Yeah, but this guy is missing the very obvious link. He considered any time without a ball his feet a waste, well for his kids, the ball is the technology. The behaviour is the same there.
Goose-rider3000@reddit
But at least the time with the ball means, being in the fresh air, exercising physically, and spending time with other people. All things that are proven to be beneficial to physical and mental health. Sitting down, inside, staring at a screen for hours on end, does not provide the same benefits. We can all become fixated with different things, but some are healthier than others.
Then_Hamster4160@reddit
but your response is a parade of clichés also. Its a massive cliché to say that this has always happened.
elphamus@reddit
I personally had a solid mix of ball games and computer games. Main difference I see is the availability of green space to play on. Schools look like fort Knox so you can't play on them, the 2 fields near us we had growing up have had houses crammed on to them. Can't play on the street as every house has 3 cars and the houses are so close together now parking them outside just creates a line of double parked cars. Where can you play with a ball.
CarsTrutherGuy@reddit
Going back all the way to Socrates people have said the new generation are worse etc in some way. Between ww1/ww2 people routinely thought that generation wouldn't be up to fight a war like they were
DeffoNotDepression@reddit
Athens fell a generation later.
Weirdly enough every time this quote pops up, something bad happens a generation or two later. Werid that.
CarsTrutherGuy@reddit
You mean all of history? People said it before ww1/ww2. From nations of both sides.
lutralutra_12@reddit
This is Socrates' quote: "Our youth now love luxury, they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders, and they love to chatter instead of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not servants of their household. They no longer rise when elders enter the room".
Smnynb@reddit
Not a real Socrates quote.
PowerApp101@reddit
From Bill and Ted wasn't it
theivoryserf@reddit
Yeah, because it's sophistry, which wasn't his favourite. Are we actually pretending that smart devices have had no psychological effect on humanity and the social factors which are acting upon us are the same as in Athens 2400 years ago? I feel like banging my head against a wall when I see this quote.
thymeisfleeting@reddit
100% agree. I think the people saying “I played video games as a kid too” just don’t realise how different it is in 2025 v 1995.
Regarding respect and authority figures, a huge change is the fact that now, when kids get in trouble at school, they immediately message their parents, getting their side in first. It was a miscarriage of justice you see! Little Jude wasn’t swearing at a teacher, the teacher misheard and it’s entirely unfair to punish him over a matter of diction!
OhCrumbs96@reddit
That still sounds like more of a parenting issue than anything else - lazily choosing the path of least resistance and minimal amount of actual parenting. Children have always been capable of (usually clumsily) attempting to manipulate and lie, and most reasonable adults are aware of that. Kids didn't just develop the propensity to tell fibs as soon as mobile phones became popular.
Wonderful_Welder9660@reddit
So what do you propose?
Hatanta@reddit
It’s from a book written in 1907. Misattributed to Socrates, in the book it’s from the author is paraphrasing Aristophanes.
Smnynb@reddit
Even if it were real, just because people have always said this, it doesn't mean it isn't true.
here4theptotest2023@reddit
Yes. This is reddit. These people are terminally online and want to pretend that everything is okay.
PerformerOk450@reddit
lol indeed, couldn't be further from what Socrates believed.
HereticLaserHaggis@reddit
Are you sure?
I've had a check and everywhere attributes it to him.
okizubon@reddit
That one was from the footballer.
Peter_gggg@reddit
You must from ops generation, to know socrates as a footballer
lutralutra_12@reddit
Lol
Late-Champion8678@reddit
It’s a cool quote but there isn’t any evidence that Socrates ever quoted this. Same for similar quotes attributed to Plato, Hesiod, Aristotle and Diogenes. I read that the earliest evidence for these quotes and variations thereof only reaches back to the 1960s.
Mediocre_Sandwich458@reddit
Such a dumb and cliché take that doesn't address actual modern day issues specific to this era.
Historical_Owl_1635@reddit
Same as whatever the newest form of media ruining kids, go back far enough this includes books.
HighwayManBS@reddit
True but Tic Tok really is a cancer on the brain
itsme_mrD@reddit
And now you're a top 1% commenter on a sub Reddit... This tracks
JCTenton@reddit
"We only had three channels, Apple was a fruit and not a Nintendo in sight, SHARE if you agree!!!"
Costoffame@reddit
I always read these in my head in a crackly old American lady’s voice, I also imagine she crosses her arms after saying it
theivoryserf@reddit
Nah, I would say you'd be surprised at how many people in their 20s are realising that current tech dependence is both a historical anomaly and making us deeply unhappy and unstable as a society.
PerkeNdencen@reddit
Yes, but arguably the boomers and millennials are in just as deep shit as the kids with respect to that!
1ncantatem@reddit
Also the older generations would absolutely have been just the same if the technology was around in their childhoods, but people often pretend like there's a magic difference to today's children
theivoryserf@reddit
Hey, no disagreement from me there!
PerkeNdencen@reddit
Actually, I think the older generation may have it a bit worse. Those who got sucked into Q and stuff online in the states, for example.
Ballsackavatar@reddit
I think, in general, those that were interested in technology in the early days of the Internet tend to be wiser to trolls. It's those that resisted technology until later in life that are more susceptible to the bullshit.
Or idiots. We have plenty of those, also.
Wonderful_Welder9660@reddit
How many are there? Surprise me
The_Growl@reddit
Technology is fine, modern social media is the problem.
Resident_Win_1058@reddit
“Shared in Wolverhampton hun”
satyris@reddit
People in the 1700s complained about young people not following traditions; it was Samuel Johnson's expectation that young people should "prosecute their designs with calmness"
Mobile_Entrance_1967@reddit
But also, the 1990s was a turning point as I remember a spate of child abuse / paedophile news reports at the time. I think parents felt safer to keep their kids indoors more than before, as a result.
manocheese@reddit
I used to do that. I still do, but I used to too.
Also; https://www.historytoday.com/archive/medias-first-moral-panic
SexySwedishSpy@reddit
The “people have always complained about young people” trope is such BS. If anything, it’s testament to the fact that things have — and continue — getting worse. And if you’re going to say “oh, the Romans complained about their young ‘uns too”, I want to point out that Rome fell in an epic fire of mismanagement, decadence, and general social decay.
Young people are getting worse. Why? Because a good society breeds lazy and entitled younglings with — as OP lamented — no respect for consequences or authority. If they’re given everything, what do they have to work for? Young people and their dispassion are the social equivalent of getting fat: the food is there, so we eat it and it’s not good for us — and then we die.
the_gabih@reddit
People in the year -1000 were saying the same things about the generation after theirs. Humanity hasn't changed one bit.
MagicBez@reddit
Same here, meanwhile my kids are constantly playing or doing sports outside etc. and have hardly any screen time (nor do they ask for it)
My kids spend way less time in front of screens than I did growing up.
TheAmazingSealo@reddit
I think you might be in the minority, I'm not sure. I've got very young kids and haven't gone the way of giving them a phone or tablet. They watch about an hour of TV a day but that's it.
Did you do anything to encourage this behaviour?
MagicBez@reddit
I think it was more about the environment they were raised in. We very rarely have the TV on outside of the odd family movie night or occasional big music or sporting event so I don't think either kid has grown up really thinking of it as an option. It sometimes seems more use if they're off sick and sofa-bound.
They have tablets but those only appear if we have a drive of over an hour or so or a long flight.
The eldest is old enough to walk to/from school with her friends so takes the "family phone" so she can text to let us know where she is and about pickups etc. but that just gets put on charge when she gets home and doesn't have much in the way of apps on it (she also uses it for recipes sometimes)
So there's not really been an anti-screen time system or set amounts of time per day or anything like that imposed but more just a general environment where there isn't a huge amount of screens going on.
We're also fortunate to have a garden they can play in and they both have scouts/guides, and a handful of sports going on too.
SelectTrash@reddit
Great taste in movies especially the extended version, I don’t trust people who don’t watch the extended versions.
TheAmazingSealo@reddit
Thanks for the insight, that's very helpful.
will2089@reddit
Yeah I love my parents and they did a good job for the most part but they used to park us in front of the NTL Box when they needed a break.
We had basically unlimited 'screen time' as we also had TVs in our rooms.
It also makes me laugh that my generation is now soapboxing about Tiktok brain rot when we had YouTube brain rot and weird animated shows.
dl064@reddit
I'm reading my eldest a book of short Enid Blyton stories.
They're all published say 1930-1950, and even those are all like
I also think yeah more kids probably do go indoors now more because there's literally something to do inside now.
SelectTrash@reddit
We are lucky we live in a cul de sac so a lot of them are out on the field or riding on the road but what’s unlucky they brought people from the rough areas up here so there are a lot of drug dealers and shady people about.
notReadyToBeMyself@reddit
Also there are no / few third spaces
lankymjc@reddit
I was a teenager in the 2000s and was a gamer through and through. OP seems to be taking his experience and assuming his whole generation was the same.
spubbbba@reddit
Yep, sorry OP you are just getting old.
Reddit is to Millennials what Facebook is to Boomers and Gen X. You can steadily see Reddit get older and more out of touch as the years go on. Posts raging about kids today, smart phone or tikitok are always popular.
EPorteous@reddit
People have said these exact same thing for EVERY generation.
I was on my Mega Drive playing RE2 all the time!
barrybreslau@reddit
I spent 10 years on the Spectrum and then Megadrive.
UTG1970@reddit
Yes, my father used to complain about me watching Saturday morning TV
Main-Arm6657@reddit
Yeah exactly, every generation thinks the next one’s gone soft or weird. Truth is, it’s just the same cycle with different tech and slang.
BarNo3385@reddit
Not really, there's plenty of evidence that technology has radically altered how kids spend their time, along with various social attitude changes to unsupervised play and perceived danger.
The kids of the 80s and early 90s really did spend more time outside, were more active, less supervised and more social. Of course there are outliers, but overall and on average, it's a real and well covered change.
NiceGuyEdddy@reddit
I'm sure you can link some sources for said 'real and well covered change.'
Patient_Debate3524@reddit
Id have loved to grow up in a coastal town...Im not very sporty as my parents werent and didnt encourage me to be but Id have been down the beach at any opportunity, given the chance.
iknowuselessstuff@reddit
SNES or Megadrive. Get you with two consoles!!
OriginalMandem@reddit
My parents wouldn't buy me a console because they saw gaming as being a waste of time that would give me brain rot. But they did buy a Commodore Amiga because it was a 'computer' and I should be 'good at computers'. Obviously I did nothing other than play (and pirate/share) games with it. But the fact it had a keyboard and mouse provided all the cover I needed 🤣
StanleyChuckles@reddit
Yep, I remember hearing all these complaints about my generation in 1990.
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
Was going to say but not even the parents care. Actually the parents of the shitheads when I was in school probably didn't care either.
So again, it's often a problem with shit parents
theivoryserf@reddit
And they were true then, compared to the 50s and earlier, and they're much truer now. I'm not sure why this is supposed to disprove the overall point!
nezzzzy@reddit
Me too. My 10yr old son however is out playing football in the park every night till 9pm.
summers_tilly@reddit
My parents tried to force me outside and I’d take a book and read it on the doorstep.
_1489555458biguy@reddit
Based.
hanzbooby@reddit
Game stayed the same. Just got more fierce.
ImperitorEst@reddit
"these 90's kids are so lazy, they don't even do a shift in the mines any more. The world has gone to pot!"
PsychoticDust@reddit
Yeah this. I'm the same age as OP, and I spent loads of time indoors gaming. When I was a teen, I was out a lot with friends though. I was raised to be polite, and adults frequently complimented me for that. Now I have a 16 year old, and I frequently get compliments for her being so polite. Plenty of kids are, you just hear about the bad ones the most.
OP is kind of giving off "old man shakes fist at clouds" vibes.
Swimbearuk@reddit
Yep, I used to go out riding my mountain bike, but a lot of the time I was just playing Amiga, Super Nintendo, Megadrive etc.
I think some of my school friends didn't go out at all. They liked to read, or listen to music, and just weren't interested in sports or the outdoors. Most of them haven't done badly as adults.
blussy1996@reddit
Playing on a video game console isn’t harmful, constantly being on the internet that is permanently accessible via a phone or iPhone is.
This whole, “meh every generation says the same” ignores the actual issues.
OkChildhood2261@reddit
Ha yeah I thought any free time spent with a ball at my feet was a waste of time.
CuteNeedleworker9@reddit
I was a 90s kid so a little younger than OP and the same. Always hated sports and only ever went outside to play when my parents or grandparents made me. I preferred to stay in and watch TV, do arts and crafts or read. Most of my friends were the same. My brother played outside more than me but he still played computer games quite a bit.
kurogomatora@reddit
There was always a kid reading comics and stories before they played video games and now they have their smartphones! Do we not remember fighting for the phone after school and pulling the wire when a sibling was yapping? Or perhaps listening in on your parents if there was a 2nd phone in the home?
pappyon@reddit
Yeah I thought the exact same. That said, I was one of the only kids on my street to be on the SNES on a nice day. The rest were out playing football.
Own-Employer-4957@reddit
‘It’s a nice day, why aren’t you outside?!’ ‘Because my SNES is in here.’
yyyyyygg5uhb@reddit
But I had the window open!!!
po2gdHaeKaYk@reddit
I will tag onto this comment.
I was also a child of the 90s.
I don't agree with the perspective that "it's all relative". Because there are undeniable non-relative things that we are all going to be struggling with. Technology, connectivity, AI, etc. --- these are causing exponential growth rather than linear growth.
Take for example connectivity. The rate of change in instant connectivity that occurred in the 2010s was just completely unhinged. We went from telephones to instant messenger to now everybody being constantly connected with everybody all over the world. This revolution took place over less than 20 years.
Chrisd1974@reddit
Exactly it’s such a banal take i can’t believe people like the OP are unable to realise how bog standard their thoughts are. Explains a lot about humans though
RegularWhiteShark@reddit
AI overview of ancient Greeks complaining about the youth:
Older generations complaining about newer generations is a tale as old as time.
setokaiba22@reddit
I mean I was indoors a lot playing PlayStation, Ps2 but was also outside a ton playing football and such
Imperator_Helvetica@reddit
We had someone upthread saying 'When I was a Year 7 we were polite and nice to sixth formers and the Head teacher, now I see them being rude to him and me (a sixth former!)'
People always imagine that 'things used to be better' - nostalgia is a hell of a thing. (Although not as good as nostalgia used to be.)
-Pizza-Planet-@reddit
I played games all day/night and dodged all PE etc. I only went out to hang about with my friends to get pissed etc
1337h4xer@reddit
Socrates
anon23336@reddit
As a teacher, I've noticed a difference in the 9 years I've taught. Students have changed a lot since I started and I've not even had a very long career. Kids are much ruder and entitled. They don't even realise how rude they are when I give simple instructions. It's become a norm to be constantly questioned and to be told 'no'. They lack resilience and problem solving in any task.
I think screen time has fried their brains and caused them to become more agitated, deregulated emotionally and find less joy in difficult tasks (such as writing a paragraph). If it's not instant gratification, they don't want to do it. They also have some of the lowest reading age scores nationally ever (UK). So not only are they in more dire need for education, they are more passive and disinterested to improve too.
Parents are also highly defensive of their children now and roommate parent them rather than instill respect or discipline. Social media also encourages rudeness not only to authorities but their own peers (cut friends off, set 'boundaries' etc).
I'm at the end of my tether now.
Bullfrog-Dear@reddit
“Kids these days have no respect!” Said every generation ever
lt__@reddit
Attention spans decrease, as observed by teachers, sounds real. Technological conditions nowadays are changing way faster than before. Way more harder for adults to understand the new world their kids live in, compared to generations of e.g. 200 years ago.
ArmouredWankball@reddit
"Bring back National Service. That'll show 'em!" is what i used to hear back in the 1970s. At least that one seems to have gone.
Economy-Set6235@reddit
didn’t rishi sunak suggest bringing it back last year?
phatboi23@reddit
nah still hear it from a few 60's70 year olds in the pub.
ArmouredWankball@reddit
According to my calculations, anyone who started in the last batch of National Service in 1960 would be 82 now. Fits in with those twats in their 60s who act like they fought in WW2.
phatboi23@reddit
Aye.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
I fuuuuucking hate this "quote."
Yes. When you're 30 kids seem badly behaved, every generation goes through that.
But it's also obvious kids are getting worse and people like you shut down the conversation using some philosopher from 2000 years ago.
changhyun@reddit
It'd also usually misattributed to Socrates, who never said that. It's much much newer.
Kaliasluke@reddit
I mean the point still stands though - according to your source, the quote was cited in an academic paper 1953, 72 years ago - I’m fairly confident that predates anyone moaning about “the youth today” in this thread. “The youth today” in 1953 were my grandparents’ generation.
theivoryserf@reddit
I just think it's a fallacy, which is probably why Socrates never said it. The fact that something has existed for millennia doesn't mean that it can't change in degree. Children I know today have a much flatter affect and tech dependence than those even ten years ago.
WatchYourStepKid@reddit
I doubt there is any evidence that the kids of today have a flatter affect and larger tech dependence that can’t also be applied to the adults of today.
Kaliasluke@reddit
For me the quote is more about the irrelevance of personal anecdotes about youth - there may well be changes, but we need proper evidence of this, not just a bad remake of the 4 Yorkshiremen sketch.
PlatypusAmbitious430@reddit
That's my grandpa's generation.
The only trouble he gets up to these days is signing up for investment scams.
SprintsAC@reddit
I've seen kids around 8 going around asking random people if they're pedos. It's insane to see the bad behaviour like that.
I'm 29 & my generation weren't really great in high school (I think people sometimes forget what they were like as a kid), but I'd say the amount of kids which openly harass/flat out abuse adults is higher than what I'd have seen a decade or so back.
caffeine_lights@reddit
You probably just didn't see it because your parents were decent and kept you away from kids like that when you were 8. It's not the kind of behaviour children do in front of their own parents.
Blooming_Baker_49@reddit
In 2003 the first ever episode of Peep Show was released and you were 7 years old. One of the scenes featured a group of young kids not much older than you were then calling Mark, the main character, a pedo. So, it definitely happened often enough that it was a relatable bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEiAU6KkX8M
liseusester@reddit
I'm 39 and there were kids in my schools who called teachers a paedo because they said they had to do their maths homework. It's not new.
CulturalAd4117@reddit
I don't think it is though. Maybe it's a regional thing but I knew kids my age starting smoking when they were 10 and there were loads of chavvy little shits in mckenzie jackets swearing and giving middle fingers to teachers in year 7.
sciuro_@reddit
Okay I do basically agree with you that kids re getting worse and shutting it down like the above poster did is hasty and ignorant, but
It's not new. Maybe new to you, but this was happening in the 90s where I'm from.
ingenuous64@reddit
It's new to me too. It's much more rife than it used to be. There's a strong undercurrent of misogyny that comes from certain elements in social media. Kids see male role models being terrible people and they're lauded for it
outkold1900@reddit
Who are these male role models on social media? Famous people outside of social media? I don't partake in or follow any of it so I'm curious.
And why are kids in awe of them? And why are they misogynistic when it's 2025 and all these movements are out there stronger than ever?
Vaporishodin@reddit
lol yeah true because nuts magazine and all that type shit never used to exist back in the day.
AstraofCaerbannog@reddit
Nuts magazine was horrific. But it was less appealing or accessible to a 7 year old than an Andrew Tate video alongside a Minecraft video which pops up on your feed. Or reading misogynistic comments section on a fairly innocent Instagram video.
I think the issue now is we have children accessing very adult spaces and adult conversations. Even on Reddit I’ve come across multiple young teenagers (particularly boys) in spaces like men/women’s advice subreddits. They don’t have the life context to the very adult problems of men and women, so they can end up with really warped and inaccurate perception.
In this situation it’s not the fault of adults discussing their issues in an adult space. The issue is that parents are not properly monitoring the spaces children can wander into. Unfettered internet access is like allowing your kid to aimlessly walk into a brothel, or a seedy men’s club, or a KKK meeting, or a rape survivor support group. It’s completely inappropriate for children to read/see this stuff.
Vaporishodin@reddit
This is bullshit.
Is the rise of Andrew Tate and other “manosphere” Influencers a concerning issue? Absolutely!
Is the world more sexist than it was when we had these types of magazines and radio hosts doing countdowns of when female celebrities would be old enough to legally perv on? No. Absolutely not.
AstraofCaerbannog@reddit
I didn’t say the world is more sexist. We’re talking about kids in the UK today compared to 30 years ago, not overall sexism in the world.
Boys and men were certainly more casually sexist back in the day. I think people really underestimate how bad it was to be a girl growing up at the time.
Back then they’d see casual sexism/rape culture via TV and real life relationships where it was normalised. Nowadays we’re seeing intentional radicalisation of very young children towards more extreme misogyny and internet subcultures. And we’re seeing children accessing adult conversations they have zero context for which creates this kind of gender war.
In the UK a large number of female teachers are experiencing sexual assault, name calling and harassment from even very young male students who are repeating what they’ve heard online. We can’t pretend that this isn’t a problem simply because overall sexism was worse 30 years ago.
I hope that most will grow out of it. These behaviours are very common online, but I’ve only interacted with a few radicalised online misogynists in person over my life where they’ve spouted redpill type nonsense, and they have all been really repugnant people who repelled both men and women. For the most part I find younger men today to be less misogynistic than those of my youth.
Own_Art_2465@reddit
It's a totally different type of sexism to that. Society figures all the way up to politicians acting like utter scrum and being lauded for it and saying disgusting things about women
Flibberdigib@reddit
Alan Clark, Majors "Back to Basics" campaign, Claire Short being mocked by other MPs for raising womens issues etc. Not to mention the homophobia; Ann Widdecombe saying homosexually is a sin, Edwina Curry saying aids was down to "the lifestyle of homosexuals", Thatcher saying "children are being taught they have the right to be gay", Section 28.
MalZaar@reddit
Wait until you hear about how media used to be towards women.
Fugishane@reddit
What kids do you know who are looking up to politicians as role models?
homemadegrub@reddit
Such as?
sciuro_@reddit
That happened back then too. I'm not saying that things aren't different now, but politicians were arguably worse back then.
Flibberdigib@reddit
There was no misogyny with the lads mags of the 90s? I was 11 in 1994, the first time someone told me to get my tits out!
NiceGuyEdddy@reddit
Spousal rape was legal until 1991 in the UK and domestic violence rife.
Tell me again how much more misogynistic society is today compared to 30 years when you could rape your wife legally.
Or how it's worse than 50 odd years ago, when men could rape and beat their wife, perfectly legally.
Do tell me how the fact that records show that murder, rape, child abuse, domestic abuse, theft and pretty much every crime you can think of has been on a consistently downward trend for a century.
ingenuous64@reddit
Talk to the kids. Or go view what they're exposed to these days and see for yourself. The kids are worse than ever by every metric because parenting has plummeted since covid
NiceGuyEdddy@reddit
What metrics?
ingenuous64@reddit
Are kids going out murdering people? This is related to children so everything you've written is irrelevant
NiceGuyEdddy@reddit
Child abuse is irrelevant to children?
And we are supposed to trust your judgement on anything?
ingenuous64@reddit
It's highly relevant to a small minority of children. The explosion of right wing misogynistic content is hitting EVERY child and we're already seeing that
NiceGuyEdddy@reddit
To a small minority of children, now.
But it wasn't a small minority 50 years ago. And it was a vast majority 100 years ago.
So once again what metrics are using to claim everything is worse when official records and actual, educated researchers can prove otherwise?
Why are you so convinced that your myopic worldview is somehow more relevant and more correct than the thousands of hours of research and data collection that shows you're wrong?
Again I notice how you failed to answer my previous points t about spousal rape, so I will ask you again:
Does being legally allowed to rape your wife, as you could in 1990 in the UK, make a society more or less misogynistic than current society?
EpicFishFingers@reddit
You're just being contrarian for the sake of it, having brought no metrics of your own to the table.
NiceGuyEdddy@reddit
The ONS data is freely available, feel free to actually do your own research for a change.
Pointing out that reality doesn't match someones uninformed opinion isn't being contrarian, it's calling out bullshit.
I don't 'keep on about the 1991 law', I am clearly using an easily referenced law to show that the facts are, misogyny is less prevalent, and less acceptable in this day and age.
And if you want to get pedantic about things let do this properly, the comment I responded to made the initial claim, burden of proof is on them.
And not everyone, but many, many, many more were. Facts don't care about your feelings etc, etc.
EpicFishFingers@reddit
"Make my argument for me" 🤡
NiceGuyEdddy@reddit
Lol.
If that's what you got from my comment I would suggest some extra tutoring in English kiddo.
EpicFishFingers@reddit
Very first thing you asked of me was for me to do your research on your behalf 😂 your job to back up your point, not mine
NiceGuyEdddy@reddit
No, I asked you to do your own research. It's honestly shocking that you misunderstood such a simple thing.
EpicFishFingers@reddit
I understood it just fine. You told me to do your work for you despite the burden of proof being on you. Something something some extra tutoring in English kiddo.
AtLeastOneCat@reddit
So here's the thing: Kids definitely are seeing more misogynistic content because more of it exists now and we didn't have social media back then.
What we did have was rife misogyny built into society, so kids would simply see and hear it from parents, relatives, friends, teachers, TV and everywhere else. It was legal and "normal."
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
I have younger cousins. But like me, we both had to go to school with scum.
Sensitive-Vast-4979@reddit
Kids are defo less misogynistic now . I'm a teenager and the only ones who are misogynistic ae the chavs . The big fit lads who could pull half the girls. But they're offensive to everyone , they're misogynistic, they're even offensive to any of the boys who aren't ridiculously good at football and having 25 girlfriends at a time . They're also racist and homophobic.
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Ok-Train5382@reddit
Are you trying to tell me you think kids are more misogynistic due to social media as opposed to… watching it happen everywhere in real life?
Pretty sure a kid watching his mum live in the kitchen cooking and cleaning and getting a back hand from their dad causes more misogyny than Andrew Tate down your phone
dickbob124@reddit
How many kids live in a home with a physically abusive father Vs how many kids have access to Andrew Tate content?
Antique_Ad4497@reddit
My dad used to beat the shit out of me, I was and still am a tiny girl/woman no more than 5ft. I was an easy target for my dad. Never beat my mum or siblings though. Funny, that.
MakiSupreme@reddit
Yeah this is such bollocks because when I was in primary school (born in 2000) if you used the pink crayon people would call you gay or a girl so it’s just bollocks from people out of touch with people younger than them creating their own image imprinted on them by the vocal minority of younger people
ingenuous64@reddit
These "influencers" are teaching kids this is the way to be to get ahead in life. Yes it's far worse and far more widespread than the vast minority of kids living in domestic violence
Ok-Train5382@reddit
You are painting this as being worse than it’s ever been.
I’m saying do you think misogyny today is worse than it was a hundred years ago? 50?
Like this recent uptick is nothing compared to how misogynistic we were as a people historically.
It feels a bit hysterical to be getting this worried about it
Plugged_in_Baby@reddit
Pretty sure kids that watch their mum getting socked by dad don’t go round bragging about it at school.
GaldrickHammerson@reddit
The flavour of the douchery is different, but the existance of it is the same. At one point it's sexism, another point its homophobia. Kids in the 2010s did have a drop in mysogyny which has returned in the 2020s, but the 2010s was the exception rather than the norm. Currently they are less homophobic and transphobic than they have been in the last several decades.
Tall_Restaurant_1652@reddit
I was a kid back when the 360 came out, and those lobbies were a hell of a lot worse than kids today.
TheAmazingSealo@reddit
The swearing is new to me. I grew up (and have recently moved back into) in a 'nice' area. Didn't even hear the word cunt 'til I was in my teens. I was at the park the other day and I shit you not I heard a 3 year old say it. I mean we all used to swear but I think fuck was as bad as it got.
So like whilst it was going on in the 90's, I believe that it's a lot more widespread now.
Having said this, I think there was more physical crime and bad behaviour when I was a kid simply due to the fact that we hung around outside in large groups (less kids stayed inside), and had more anonymity due to a lack of cameras, and could get away with a lot more. When I think about it, a lot of kids back then were actual awful horrible shitcunts.
Nowadays, the physical crime is less widespread, but more severe when it does happen - stabbings as opposed to fistfights for example. I also think kids are a lot more pessimistic so feel there's nothing for them to work towards or the goals seem so unattainable so what's the point in anything. There's also more than ever living in poverty, so more likely to steal. There's also a lot less for them to do and physical spaces for them to go to.
Also county lines gangs have spilled over from London and are where a lot of the crime comes from, recruiting kids and that.
Be aware that this is all from personal experience, my perception may be wrong/biased and isn't based on statistics or anything.
sciuro_@reddit
All legit points, especially what you're saying about violence and gangs. I grew up in a notoriously grim part of Yorkshire with a huge crime rate, so I think that my experience is probably a little blinkered, and I should remember that my experience isn't universal
TheAmazingSealo@reddit
Yeah I guess where you grew up was ahead of the times a bit and was sort of a sneak preview of what the 'average' would be 20 years on. Do you still live in or travel through the same area? It would be interesting to know if you think the 'bad' area has gotten worse or largely stayed the same, or maybe even got better?
sciuro_@reddit
Nah, moved far away as soon as I could and very rarely go back. I would imagine it's gotten better, if only because so many of the council houses were demolished and replaced with new builds.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
7? Where would they pick up the word rape from in the 90s?
formallyhuman@reddit
I was born in 87 and 100% encountered kids (certainly teenagers, but younger as well) saying stuff like that growing up. I think socioeconomics have somewhat more to do with it than the Internet.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
I'm not talking about "encountered" or teenagers though, I'm talking about every park and skatepark having very young kids talking about that. I've had to leave a few times because they wouldn't listen when I told them to stop talking like that around my son.
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
We didn't have parks on my side of town, only the rich side of town got those.
formallyhuman@reddit
It's not new, though. I was hanging around skate parks in the 90s with people listening to or quoting Beastman vs Skeletor (which includes a line about one raping the other in his asshole) by CKY.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
Were you 7 or 15 though...I still know the lyrics to that song haha
drivingagermanwhip@reddit
My memory of my 90s childhood was that preteens were when everyone said the most explicit stuff because it got a reaction and the words didn't really mean anything to them other than being dirty.
throwaway_ArBe@reddit
Same as the do now, the world around them. We weren't that sheltered back then.
devilterr2@reddit
Not disagreeing with being sheltered, but a big difference is social media in today's world.
Children have access to prolific content 24/7 now, and it's not going to be a good thing
-ShinyThings-@reddit
There is a rape joke in Adventures In Babysitting. We knew what rape was.
FiveWizz@reddit
I'm having to very closely monitor my boys YouTube content. I've tried to guide him to avoid and tell me when videos are inappropriate (by giving some vague guidelines).
Even the YouTube Kids app content is wildly inappropriate often with depictions of peppa pig in completely inappropriate moments or "pranks" that characters are playing on each that is effectively emotional manipulation etc. These reprobates are specifically gaming it to target kids with click bait and often it's much more sinister than that. (Such as Five Nights at Freddie's etc).
I do monitor it quite closely and limit time on there but sometimes things fall between the cracks which is not ideal.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
Yup those Peppa pig videos terrified my daughter when she was 3...takes like 2 clicks on some video of peppa to find them. I've just banned youtube completely now.
FiveWizz@reddit
You might be right tbh about just binning it off completely. It's mostly just brain rot anyway. Maybe I should do that. I can't think of many positives of keeping it.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
Good luck!
I banned it about a year ago and my son still asks for it every so often! It was a battle lol
sciuro_@reddit
TV. Peers. Older siblings. Adults. Maybe my childhood was different to yours I guess, but it wasn't uncommon where I grew up in Yorkshire. I was born 1989ish ftr.
Interesting_Try8375@reddit
Yeah, maybe not 7 but I went to the nicer primary school. So I got to learn about that when I got year 7 instead and we all went to the same secondary school. There was only 1 in town so no choices over which one to pick.
AtLeastOneCat@reddit
I think the difference is that something is generally done about it. We used to get all sorts of sexual harassment from the boys at school and instead of the boys being punished, we'd be "allowed" to wear leggings instead of shorts for PE, or admonished for our skirts being too short.
Anonynymphet@reddit
To be fair, ignoring sexual harassment (I acknowledge and agree it happens), the skirts that young girls wear are simply unacceptable at school. My mother is a teacher and seeing up a 11 year old girls skirt to reveal her thong IS too short.
All students, regardless of gender, should just wear black trousers. For PE, joggers or unisex shorts.
AtLeastOneCat@reddit
Sure but that's not what this is about. I never wore a skirt but every time something happened, all the girls were given a lecture on skirt lengths like those have anything to do with the actions of predatory boys and men.
I also agree that people have the right to not be flashed at school, regardless of gender.
sciuro_@reddit
Right! Increased awareness tends to make it seem more prevalent.
dl064@reddit
It'll be your Marilyn Manson and your Slipknots and your information super highway!
theivoryserf@reddit
I agree - nothing could go wrong with leaving a supercomputer in every child's pocket, through which the Chinese government beams 10 second video clips tailored to their every interest.
sciuro_@reddit
Yeah innit, or rap, or GTA or whatever. Every generation has bad influences.
dl064@reddit
Your Eminems
sciuro_@reddit
Ah yes my bad, your rap musics, your eminems, yor grand theft automobiles etc
Plugged_in_Baby@reddit
It was not happening where I am from.
sciuro_@reddit
Ok 👍🏻
Throwawaythedocument@reddit
Yeah that was pretty standard 'gobby shithead' attitude at my comp, probs not at 7yrs old, but by 13 yrs old people said things they shouldn't have. However, teachers would come down on them like a tonne of books if they heard it.
Chidoribraindev@reddit
If you are growing up in the same area and social class and hearing these things pop up, then it is worse. Those attitudes spreading are what makes it worse
poacher5@reddit
Spoken like someone who didn't spend their formative years in black ops public lobbies
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
Nope.
It was Halo and melee IRL tournaments for me!
dave_gregory42@reddit
£5 says you've been called a cunt by a 7-year-old recently.
Wide_Inflation9527@reddit
Na....One rather young niece, said of her " cousins".... Quote "they smell of Weed! Q.E.D
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
No, but I go to skateparks with my 7 year old and spend the first 10 minutes telling the other kids to stop swearing and screeching. Every time.
Either_Worker4979@reddit
The only difference between the 90's skateparks and now is that you're there accompanying your child. (As you should be)
Teenagers in the 80's and 90's spoke exactly the same way in front of 8-9 years olds, but there was no responsible adults around to call them out.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
I'm not talking about teenagers at the Shatepark, I don't tell them to stop swearing... they're usually fine anyway and apologise and let me boy go first etc...its the feral 7-10 year olds I'm on about
Either_Worker4979@reddit
Yes, but those 7-10 year olds hearing it from the the teenagers didn't wait patiently until they were also teenagers to start copying them, we were saying the same words 10 minute later because those teenagers were cool in our eyes.
My main point being "Kids these days have no respect" is an every generation thing and these kids are no worse than any other. In fact, they're probably the best. Biggest difference is that parents are more involved in their child's lives than any other generation, so they're going to witness a lot more than our parents did.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
I used to skateboard when I was younger too...I remember one time a kid stuck his fingers in the Shape of an L on his forehead (no honestly lol, and he continue walking backwards and then tripped up, which was the funniest thing to ever happen to me at that point)I can't remember any "cunts" or "I'll fucking rape you ya wee fanny" coming out of other kids mouths
Own_Art_2465@reddit
They shouldn't allow scooters in skateparks, they're the problem, there was etiquette and mutual respect before they turned up
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
Stunt scooters are about as old as I am. It was bmxs that were always the pain when I was younger
Ethelredthebold@reddit
No it's not. I grew up in London in the 60s and 70s. I knew all those words, I was actually raped by an older boy when I was 5 and he was 12. I was out on my own because we kids were kicked out of the house to play from when we were able to walk almost. I started walking to school on the second day of school in 1969. I was bullied and beaten up by other kids even then. People look at the past through rose tinted glasses.
I mean in the 50s when my dad was a teenager he and his mates would break into places and taking what they could carry. He carried knives til the day he died. He left school unable to read . The kids these days are no different. My grandkids are more informed than I ever was.
sayleanenlarge@reddit
Yeah, kids go from looking up to adults as a font of knowledge and all-knowing beings who tell them what to do, to wanting to gain independence, and they do that by being cheeky, argumentative, little shit bags. Throw in hormones and, yeah, combined they have no respect for authority because they're kicking out of their childhood ideologies and realising adults don't know everything and shouldn't get unquestioned respect.
NotTravisKelce@reddit
It is not at all obvious kids are getting worse and in fact by all measurable metrics they are getting better.
blussy1996@reddit
Fully agree, it’s a pathetic way to ignore any problem.
IdealLife4310@reddit
"But it's also obvious kids are getting worse" - Obvious? Basically has no meaning without actual facts and figures
tomb241@reddit
my kindergarten in the beginning of 2000s was like that
itsaride@reddit
It's just exposure to that kind of language, the media I was exposed to when I was growing up barely had the f-word but now they're getting blasted by it everywhere.
PsychologicalRow8034@reddit
Not new at all, you were probably lucky enough not to grow up on an estate
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
For the first 6 years I did, can't remember it though. Then I moved to a few different countries and now I'm in Scotland.
gregmalion@reddit
I don't see the original comment as an attempt to "shut down the conversation" it's merely a reminder that everyone's viewpoint is relative, and that we're not generationally unique in feeling these feelings about the youth of today. I think it's a good point, succinctly made, but I doubt it was meant to close the book on thos debate.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
It's repeated on every single thread about this subject on Reddit
gregmalion@reddit
Yea fair enough. Guess we're all wasting our time rehashing the same points on reddit, rather than interacting meaningfully with our kids.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
I'm at work lol...they come on Saturdays and Sundays but midweek they're at school!
FiveWizz@reddit
Hey I'm at work my kids are at after school club 😉
Musashi1596@reddit
It’s one of the reliable squares on the Reddit Bingo card
bad8everything@reddit
> 7 year olds calling each other cunts and saying they will rape each other is new.
No. No it's not, you were just sheltered from it by your parents.
When we're kids we don't see the effort adults put into protecting us from the world; and the kids who grow up saying shit like that are the ones where their responsible adults have failed to do that protecting. But kids have always fallen through the cracks. You were just kept away from them by your parents.
Unevidenced claims can be dismissed with the same amount of evidence. If you want to have a conversation that isn't just casual dismissal you need to bring evidence so you can't just be dismissed. And anecdote isn't the plural of data.
NiceGuyEdddy@reddit
I fuuuuuucking hate people that claim bullshit as facts.
"It's obvious kids are getting worse"
Oh is it? You got some proof for that wild claim that goes against everything official records show?
Violent crime - massively reduced over the century.
Domestic abuse - drastically reduced.
Theft - drastically reduced.
Child death - drastically reduced.
Literally every metric we have shows that life for everyone is getting better.
What you consider 'worse' is simply culture changing.
And the reason people keep banging on about a 2000 year old quote is because of people like you, who after 2000 years still seem unable to learn the lesson that others managed to learn back then.
Some facets may be worse, although while you may seem to think swearing is somehow the worst society can do, I think that kids swearing is a lot better than institutional racism, sexism and child abuse.
And it's not even true, kids were swearing exactly the same when I grew up in the 90s, and if you hear my dads stories kids were no different growing up in the 60s.
And as for the rape thing? Well I can't say I encounter that, but as bad as it is I would prefer kids using that as an insult, which shows they know it to wrong, than have it be effectively legalised again.
You know, like it was in late 80s/early 90s when we were kids.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
https://www.kidscape.org.uk/article/sexual-harassment-in-schools-is-on-the-rise-what-can-be-done
https://www.iwf.org.uk/news-media/news/sexual-abuse-imagery-of-primary-school-children-1-000-per-cent-worse-since-lockdown/
CulturalAd4117@reddit
Maybe the specific words used are different but if 7 year olds know what that means that's a parenting problem, kids aren't like that out of thin air.
I'm 30 next month and definitely remember some heavy swearing being flung about when I was in junior school, as well as lads throwing rocks at each other and kicking the shit out of each other over nothing
Kaliasluke@reddit
The main point of the quote is that anecdotes about misbehaving youths are meaningless. If you want to make that point you need to cite actual hard evidence. Given how “obvious” should be pretty easy to do, right? - you wouldn’t be making such bold claims substantiated solely by your own subjective impressions, would you?
drivingagermanwhip@reddit
don't know where you grew up but as a 35 year old with a memory I assure you it's not
EstatePinguino@reddit
Teachers, who have taught multiple generations of children, are saying the current batch are the worst they’ve ever had to deal with by a mile.
ubion@reddit
Teachers get old too
Individual_Author956@reddit
Let’s say a teacher starts teaching at the age of 20 and teaches 10-year-olds. The generational gap is still manageable. However, as the teacher gets older, the less they can relate to a fresh batch of 10-year-olds. The generational gap continues to grow as the teacher ages, so it’s natural that the teacher finds them “worse” than anything before, and that feeling will only go stronger.
theivoryserf@reddit
That doesn't seem to be that strong a hypothesis to me - I have family members who are teachers who thought that they improved as teachers over time. There are many reports that attention spans are plummeting, which is to be expected given that we're giving dangerous technology (plenty of evidence of phones' effect on mental health) to children.
Individual_Author956@reddit
You had me until "dangerous technology"
theivoryserf@reddit
I really do think so - social media is undermining democracy and leading to a collapse in young people's mental health, both of which I think are well-documented.
Unlikely_Ad8021@reddit
Agreed, especially with reels and short forum content, it's never existed to this level
Typical_Sugar2189@reddit
yep!
This_Charmless_Man@reddit
My grandfather said exactly this after telling us stories about how he used to steal ammunition and once kneecapped his friend by accident. It put in perspective my bad behaviour because I had never been caught with a coat full of half pound shells.
blussy1996@reddit
Maybe it’s true in the last century though?
DaisyOfTheDawn@reddit
"But it's different for our generation" Said every generation ever 😂
FiveWizz@reddit
It absolutely is. Of course. Technology has changed everything.
dxow@reddit
I'm sure that your grandparents thought the same about television, and your great-grandparents felt the same about radio, and your great-great-grandparents etcetcetc.
FiveWizz@reddit
True. But noone was permanently connected to the internet having all this (good and bad) info at our fingertips. I'm sure there's lots of comparative elements but it's definitely different now.
SnooDonuts6494@reddit
Of course it's fucking different.
It was different when telephones were invented.
It was different when we got iron tools.
It was different when we started farms, instead of living as nomads.
FiveWizz@reddit
Jesus. Sorry.
DaisyOfTheDawn@reddit
Bingo.
Different when we invented the written word. And again when we normalised writing and reading.... The examples are endless and all had such a significant impact on humanity.
The only thing which I think might be (ironically) different, is the speed at which these major changes are introduced. AI is likely to increase the speed even further.
OnTheLeft@reddit
Noooo don't you get it we're specialll
dl064@reddit
Nu Metal.
Lonehorns@reddit
They have become less and less respectful with every passing generation though.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
"teenagers" are new. We didn't even have a word for them!
Own_Art_2465@reddit
'Teenager' has been in widespread use since the 1950s, children clothes have been available since the 1800s, likely earlier.
ZiggehZiggeh@reddit
I didnt mean my generation didn't have the word teenager oops lol, I meant people in general. My poor wording
Chidoribraindev@reddit
Lol wtf?
Sure-Exchange9521@reddit
I dont see the correlation.
Best-Hovercraft-5494@reddit
wait till you hear about apprentices from the 1600s
Sure-Exchange9521@reddit
There is a 4,000 year old Sumerian tablet lamenting about the young being stupid. I'm curious how old you are lol
cheese0muncher@reddit
Aristotle complained about the youth in his writings.
g0_west@reddit
It's the newspapers that are doing it to them I reckon. Too much reading
WhichEmotion5356@reddit
Thats not just a saying in this case. Its the blatant truth. Kids & teens are violent, disrespecting and absolutely unhinged.
Maverick_Heathen@reddit
Just as they were in the 80s and 90s in my experience
WhichEmotion5356@reddit
Thats not just a saying, thats the blatant truth in this case. Kids arent kids anymore these days.
Waytothedawn97@reddit
I’d say not respecting police officers shows a healthy suspicion of authority in them. They’ll need that in the years to come.
Agitated_Slice_1446@reddit
You were different to how your parents were as kids. Your parents, they were different as kids to how your grandparents were.
That's how it always is, whether you like it or not.
AngeyRocknRollFoetus@reddit
The shit I did in the 80s and 90s was pure danger, no respect of authority and definitely was carefree when it came to my parents being told. My dad would belt me, buckle end sometimes, but I didn’t care. Pain wasn’t that bad for me. Grounding meant I could sleep or play in my room. Didn’t really care. I have a good comfortability with myself so can be happy with a guitar and a whole day.
ginger-tiger108@reddit
Yeah I was born and raised in the 1980's and personally I feel like my generation saw the last of the old school traditional good manners and respect for other people within the community nevermind actually taking accountability for your actions and admitting when your wrong so you can learn from your mistakes and that's without the whole issue of smart phones and how they rot your brains
InsideInformant22@reddit
Here is my take on it: I am GenX to start with but when I went to school it was in a country that was big on discipline at school, in or out of uniform, and trust me if you did or said anything wrong, the school knew about it first and then your parents were told; clearly told on by the neighbourhood adults. Also I still didn’t swear in front of my parents, sadly they are now deceased. I used to be terrified when my mum would say “wait til your father gets home”, yet my dad was the softie but if you were naughty, he could petrify you just by a look.
Now, for the last 20 odd years I have lived opposite an inner London primary school and secondary academy (2 schools). Now let me tell you the language I have heard during some break times and when they leave school, this swearing and bad behaviour has gotten worse over the years. Yet is it any wonder when the parents can’t even follow traffic signs and one even plays excessively loud heavy base when picking up his young daughter from school every day. As for the secondary students, the behaviour has also deteriorated over the years damaging property thinking it’s hilarious.
Not sure what is causing this increasingly poor behaviour and foul language use other than down to poor parenting or lack of proper parental guidance, or is social media to blame? but it is getting worse and it has nothing to do with me getting older, it’s more to do with witnessing it on a daily basis due to living in close proximity to a primary & a secondary school.
Not all kids are bad but society overall is declining, no respect for others, the sense of entitlement etc
Traditional_Note2575@reddit
Because of mass migration filtering out our values
dmastra97@reddit
Teenagers I'd say lost respect for older generations because they've left the country worse for their children compared to how they had it.
That then feeds into social media and children can sense the lack of community.
How often are there community activities now like social clubs or gatherings outside of school compared to previous generations?
Slipp3ry_f3llow@reddit
A lot of people my age never had a chance in life I can work all my life and get breadcrumbs
Today you work 10x more for 10x less
And you question the apathy of young people?
They wouldn’t be attached to their coping mechanisms if they didn’t feel a need for them
A veteran isn’t an alcoholic because of alcohol banning alcohol would only make them spiral further, they’re an alcoholic to cope
OwnRemote2890@reddit
I am 59. I think that young people now do have some positive traits, compared to my generation when young. There is one thing that I really notice that does alarm me is the complete dependance on cut and paste from the internet. I often find that if they have a task to do in work or personal life, they will take a very lazy approach and just find something nearly useful on the internet and then say "I've done it" and leave it for me to review and point out why it incomplete or just wrong.
I find that there is a very significant loss of any habit to think independently, or to even review things critically to be sure that they are right.
I predict that in the future, when WW3 comes, we will send a lot of nuclear bombs to the wrong place and blame Google or Chat GPT when we land a few in Brighton etc.
I think this is a fair observation.
ukrepman@reddit
What kids do you know that don't respect the police? Sounds like you've just read the daily mail and came up with an opinion.
When I was a kid, I remember loads of stuff vivedly, and my friends and I were massively more bellends than the kids of today. Can you remember the 2000s teens all over the papers with 'chav culture' and 'broken Britain' etc?
What I've found nowadays, kids are more respectful. I was at the park with my kids and some older kids were playing football, and they were like 'careful, theres some little ones over there'. When I was their age I know for a fact I wouldn't give a shit or be careful. People just look back at themselves with rose tinted glasses
unicornjuice245@reddit
Don't know where you live, but I invite you do come to where I live in Scotland, threaten a kid that just damaged your property with the police and see what happens... Tell you for free: it will involve two raised fingers and a lot of abuse hurled your way and that's pretty much it 😂 there is exactly zero respect for authorities or elders here. Why? Because they know the police can't do anything to them because they're minors.
Extension_Drummer_85@reddit
There's a book called "The Anxious Generation". I would suggest you read it, it present all of the stats on the road of mental health issues in children with the rise of modern social media and explains why kids these days are genuinely socially inept and lacking in so many ways. Essentially society at large has dropped the ball big time on raising children with the advent of algorithmic social media and smart devices.
I say this as someone young enough to have been raised on early social media and old enough (or perhaps just an early bloomer enough) to have children hitting their teens now. If you love your kids you will take away their smart devices and the access to social media and won't give it back.
Yes there will be tantrums, for the worst cases there will be full blown withdrawal type symptoms but if you don't do this you are putting your children in harms way and you are inhibiting their opportunities to develop normal social skills. Just because other people do it doesn't make it ok. Not long ago everyone used to hit their kids, giving your kid a smart phone is the 21st century equivalent of hitting your kid.
alamarain@reddit
Computer games are for losers. The UK's children are getting fatter and dumber every year.
MasterFly9479@reddit
Vaccines and food play a major role. I believe that over the years they've added more and more "ingredients" into the childhood vaccines. Then there is the food we eat nowadays. Full of absolute crap! Chemicals after chemicals that affect the body and brain. So all in all it's down to the parents and how they raise them, what they feed them, what they inject them with.
FS-The-Return@reddit
The police have failed in being anything other than useless government doormen. They dont get respected cause they have done nothing to be respected for.
StealingUrMemes@reddit
Starts off with lazy parenting. Sitting the baby kn front of youtube to watch (insert kids show of the day) because hAvInG a BaBy Is hArDwOrK. When they're a little older, there's lazy parenting. Giving them a tablet to watch whatever they want on youtube instead of interacting with or playing with them. Then when they're a bit older, there's more lazy parenting. The kids are given a gaming system... and it continues
daddyorchip@reddit
I work in a school. I see behaviour daily that I would never have dared do.
Laughing at teachers, telling them to "fuck off and die", calling them all the names under the sun, blaming THEM when the child gets poor results as they're always getting sent out or not concentrating
I'm not a teacher, just a tech. 25 years served.
Was in a lesson, young teacher, fairly new. One table decided they could ignore her, insult her etc etc
I sat at the PC at the side and tried to ignore it.
End of the lesson, she's letting tables go by behaviour.. Good first, etc.
This last table..."fuck this, we're going. Bitch."
I got up, locked the door.
"No. You're not. You'll sit down. Now. Do it."
"You can't lock the door! What if there's a fire?"
"I'm old. Why do I care?"
"But it could kill us!"
"Yes. Again. Sit down. Shut up. And listen to me."
"We don't have to do what you say! You're not even a teacher!"
"I almost certainly knew your parents. I've been here 25 years. I'm over twice miss's age, and actually you're wrong. In a science lab, as the tech, BY THE RULES, I have the right to overrule teachers. ANY teachers. AND you. So oh yes, you do. Now. SIT. DOWN."
They did.
"We've done nothing wrong!"
"REALLY? Your behaviour, your language, your attitude.. That's ok, is it? You'd do that at home, would you? To your parents? I doubt it. Think about how you've behaved.
Miss here, she's lovely. She gets up every day to teach you lot skills to get you a good job one day. That's why we all do this job. God knows, it's not for the money. And we certainly don't get up and come here just to be abused.
Now, I'm NOT a teacher. I could TEACH the teachers. But they're MY team. In a way, they're MY family. We look after each other, and I'm DAMNED if I'm letting her be treated like this. So, you WILL sit, and you WILL think about what you've done, and you WILL make it right before I let you go."
"But other kids want to come in."
"They'll wait. I'll explain."
"We'll report you."
"Do it. Too old to care. But if my kids acted like you, I'd be SO embarrassed. Bring your parents to meet me. Please. They probably remember me."
3 minutes of sulk and silence, then very reluctant apologies.
"Not to me. Not interested. To miss."
Repeated apologies.
"GOOD children. NOW you may leave."
I got called something on the way out, but.. It's not about me. And they wonder why we can't recruit and keep teachers.
StrictRegret1417@reddit
i find it baffling how kids now all seem to be into politics and societal stuff, particularly people like andrew tate. i grew up in the 2000's no kids were talking about anything political then.
scrotalsac69@reddit
The only real difference is technology and that kids spend way more time inside. Otherwise kids seem much the same, some are shits but the vast majority are great.
I worry for our bit but we do our best. Life is not better or worse for most of them compared to us, just different.
Impossible_Number_74@reddit
But technology is playing a huge part of the changes we are seeing in our kids.
I've worked with children that have grown up with devices in hand from the age they could hold one. They learn how to navigate YouTube before they can talk. They access content that isn't age appropriate and then learn knowledge and behaviours that are inappropriate or just plain wrong. In what world should a 7 year old believe they are bisexual? I didn't know words like that when I was 7, but these kids have unfettered access to TikTok.
Parenting styles have changed, that's the main culprit.
TangerineFew6830@reddit
So my 4 year old watches tv, he used to watch youtube, I completely banned it a year ago, after we grew out of the dancing vegetables so I could wash up, so TV then became superhero shows from late 80’s, early 90’s which he prefers, but he can be so very aggressive, he does not see or understand that there role is to protect etc, he just sees they do this using violence etc.
I wish I never introduced it, until he was older & just stuck to cbeebies or something.
Impossible_Number_74@reddit
Sorry it's turned out that way. Streaming without certification (age ratings etc) has meant so many kids have seen things that aren't appropriate and it's easy as parents to not even realise!
Back to Cbeebies?
TangerineFew6830@reddit
100%, you dont think too much of it & then you glance and think oh shit! Now I have two kids who literally have constant fist fights masked as hulk & spiderman, and a dad who gets involved, its like fight club.
Yeah, is balamory still on air 😂
lonelysadkisslessold@reddit
It’s on YouTube,
Impossible_Number_74@reddit
Tbh, I'm the Dad who has wrestling with the kids in the front room haha but nothing too violent haha
Oh God Balamory. Not as bad as In the Night Garden. That was just weird.
CraftBeerFomo@reddit
That came on Youtube the other day when one of my younger family members was watching cartoons, I was absolutely bamboozled by how weird it was.
I don't remember it from when I was younger and wondered why someone had made such a weird show.
TheAmazingSealo@reddit
It's just really calming, gentle and repetitive for little kids. Signals to them that it's nearly sleepy time.
Have you seen Moon and Me? That's fucking WEIRD. There's this freaky stop-motion silent clown thing called collywobble with holes for eyes that makes me very uncomfortable. Kids seem to like it though. But seriously google 'Moon and Me Collywobble'.
Also Teletubbies is 10x pure fucking weird stuff happening constantly
CraftBeerFomo@reddit
Nah, not familiar with Moon and Me Collywobble.
Tellytubbies yeah obviously remember that one as it was on TV all the time when I was younger.
TheAmazingSealo@reddit
if I could paste a picture of collywobble I would. absolute nightmare fuel
TangerineFew6830@reddit
Haha, he goes so overboard with the manoeuvres like dancing on ice, literally throwing them here there and everywhere, while us mums wince in the corner 😂
You dads are the worst
Impossible_Number_74@reddit
And I bet the kids love it!
TangerineFew6830@reddit
Of course haha!
TheAmazingSealo@reddit
Nah Balamory is gone from CBeebies but still on iPlayer.
vminnear@reddit
I remember my twin sister and I used to beat each other over the heads with pillows pretending to be Gladiators. We had a great time!
Relative-Thought-105@reddit
We basically went cold turkey on all TV and after a week or so of complaining, my son now just reaches for a book or starts drawing.
It is really hard but you can definitely turn it around.
turtleinatardis@reddit
I'm not sure there's anything wrong with a child thinking they're bisexual. Plenty of children think they're straight. Plenty of adults say they knew they were gay or straight or bisexual as a child. You have a point about age inappropriate content online for sure - but perhaps there's a better example.
Impossible_Number_74@reddit
I think it's a perfect example for the age I mentioned, not all ages of children.
Why should any child at the age of 7 know that word? I wouldn't expect them to know the term straight, gay, bisexual, lesbian, heterosexual, homosexual or anything else.
It's nothing to do with being anti LGBTQ+. I just don't think it's a necessary characteristic for children to explore unfettered. I'd say by the age of 10-11 it's an appropriate time to explore all these things, but not 7.
Due-Mycologist-7106@reddit
Do you think the knowledge of this will somehow change who they are? I don't get why it's bad
tonyferguson2021@reddit
I think the bigger issue with tech and social media is about the parents. You ever see a mom or dad checked out absorbed on their phone and the kid looks bored and checked out? It’s pretty common.
the quality of attention we have for each other degrades if we don’t care deeply for it
Relative-Thought-105@reddit
I am a teacher working in after-school in Korea and when parents are waiting with younger siblings to pick their kids up, 9 times out of 10, they're looking at their phone.
I really REALLY try not to use mine too much around my son, and never when we are outside, but when you're exhausted, it's easy to fall into the habit of it.
The worst thing for me is when the kids from my school leave and get in the lift together, straight away the phones come out and they all stare at them without saying a word to each other. From maybe age 10 on but some from 7.
But the kids whose parents are strict and don't give them a smartphone are, without exception, far brighter, chatting, more focused and better students than those who have a smartphone. The kids who grab their phone as soon as they leave the school - some of them are bright or whatever, but there is always a point where they start staring out the window.
Impossible_Number_74@reddit
Absolutely agree that parents need to be the role models. Personal relationships of all kinds within the home are degrading.
It feels, to me at least, that children very much have a "me first" mentality more than ever. And I'm including my own children in that, despite everything we have demonstrated as parents being the opposite.
That shift came a few months after they started secondary. Only our eldest, who's in his 20s already, hasn't been like that.
daliriuma@reddit
They don’t though , poverty is highly linked with kids behaving badly and it’s almost always cos they spend all their time in the street outside , if you actually live in an area surrounded by them you’d know that you’d be begging for them all to go inside and play on their ps5 all day but they just don’t
BlueLeaves8@reddit
I wouldn’t say that’s the only difference, “gentle parenting” is another huge factor contributing to it.
Whilst it’s obviously rooted in good intentions and is perfectly good parenting when done right, what most people I’ve observed are actually doing is never being able to say no to anything their children are doing or wanting. The kids have no concept of the idea of parents saying what they can and can’t do. I’ve observed children bursting into shocked and devastated tears because they think their parent is being “horrible” when they finally spoke up to say don’t go near the road when they’re nearly there as it’s such a shock to be told anything as they never experience it normally, when that was the norm for us growing up everyday.
I’ve heard the phrase “You just have to let them” so many times in recent years when their kids are running around doing whatever they want in other people’s homes and public spaces and they just sit and watch helplessly. No you don’t have to just let them? They don’t know right and wrong until you tell them and you can still do that “gently” or at least firmly without getting angry if it gets to that point, which is basically what gentle parenting is meant to be in the first place.
alien_sprig@reddit
I'm so tired of saying this but here I go again. Gentle parenting is not the same as permissive parenting. Letting your kids run feral, having no boundaries, being afraid to discipline them, is not parenting gently. It's being a spineless sap.
DoctorNerfarious@reddit
Don’t tell us that. Tell gentle parents on tiktok. They’ve destroyed your reputation as all of the big ones simply let their children do whatever they want and just go “oh they’re children” or try and talk to a toddler like “okay so I UNDERSTAND that you’re angry and that is okay, that emotion is OKAY, but we don’t hit mummy”.
The toddler then hits mummy and they have that same conversation for years.
Meanwhile our toddler hit mummy we tell him not to and he’s not allowed to do anything until he says sorry.
If he hits me I shout at him, he cries.
And guess what. He never hits either of us now. That hitting phase lasted… 2 weeks? Max.
I’m not having a psychology lesson with my 3 year old.
If I go and beat the shit out of my partner now will any of you care about my psychology. Will any of you want a chat? Will the police want to “understand” me. Or would I be charged just for pushing her?
We are preparing them for actual life, not something that gentle parents have imagined in their heads.
Fuzzy_Reindeer_2770@reddit
I gentle parent and have done for thirty years.
My 30 year old is not a twat and never has been. He grew up on videogames and football, has many friends and is a nice guy.
My 15 year old is introvert , loving and quiet but is not available for mistreatment.
My 14 year old is extroverted, loud and sassy but generous and fair.
The teens love social media, especially TikTok, but the oldest hates it and prefers gaming.
They're all very different but all know the difference between right and wrong and understand they don't always get their own way. They all have one thing in common; they all have good morals and hate injustice. Above all else, they're fiercely independent and take no shit.
Gentle parenting is not about GIVING kids their own way, for me its about them FINDING their own way.
Duranis@reddit
Yeah I always hear things like this and that's not gentle parenting, it's just shit parenting.
Both me and my partner grew up in houses where you did as you were told or got hit. Both of us still did "bad" stuff, we just got real good at hiding it and knew that our parents wouldn't be there to help if things ever went bad. I don't even consider our parents to have been particularly abusive for the standards of the time.
Yes sometimes I may have to have some back and forth with my kid instead of them just immediately obeying out of fear. That's a trade I'm willing to make to hopefully try and raise someone who knows I'm there for them.
Also I don't see as much of an issue with teaching kids to not necessarily disregard people in authority but be willing to question what they are told and make their own moral judgement.
AstraofCaerbannog@reddit
I feel similarly to you. Your experience is basically the exact discoveries of the evidence based on corporal punishment. It appears a temporary fix to parents, but behaviours continue more secretively, and often worsen long term. The main lesson is that kids learn not to trust their parents. The evidence also finds that the long term effects are similar to those of abused children.
Then you get violence free punishments focused on temporary ostracism and the evidence is so robust that it leads to long term positive behaviour change.
It’s wild to me that we have this incredible evidence, and yet people just don’t listen. Gentle, violence free parenting doesn’t mean you don’t parent at all.
pharmamess@reddit
How ruddy bloody brave of you to share that! 🤬
AstraofCaerbannog@reddit
Exactly. Hitting children has been overwhelmingly shown by evidence to not be an effective way to change behaviour, usually being a quick fix while making behaviour worse long term. But there are loads of violence free punishments which have a robust evidence base of changing long term behaviour, with no negative side effects.
Being a gentle parent does not mean you don’t set boundaries or consequences. People seem to run between two extremes, either not providing any consequences, or suggesting you hit/scare our tiniest and most vulnerable members of society.
I think gentle parenting is a two way street too, when you set boundaries you need to uphold your end. For example, if your child behaves well in a restaurant, they get to play in the park after. Or if they wait patiently instead of interrupting, you listen attentively within a reasonable timeframe. I notice a lot of parents with poorly behaved children aren’t boundaried themselves.
kinlochshiel@reddit
I always see this same response, every single time someone brings up gentle parenting, but who decides what gentle parenting is or isn't?
There's no set of rules, there's no guidebook, you don't get a certificate saying you can now practice gentle parenting. It's just a made up term, with a very general idea or philosophy guiding it. You can't police it.
People will interpret the term how they see fit, and raise their kids accordingly, you don't get to decide what that's called. Society seems to have determined this child led way of parenting is preferable now, in my opinion that's a real problem. The fact you and others keep shouting that actually they aren't using the correct terminology whenever it's raised doesn't help or change a thing.
nicethingsarenicer@reddit
That's true of almost any type of parenting though. And there's no guidance on gentle parenting that says 'let your kids do whatever they want'.
There are always twats who think that discipline is synonymous with punishment.. We don't punish our kids at all, we just treat them the way we expect them to treat us, and we explain why wrong stuff is wrong. They're not perfect, but we never hear anything but praise for their manners and behaviour. Just starting the teenage phase and yes, the 13yo can be rude and stubborn at times, but choosing our battles works wonders. It turns out that a solid foundation of Not Being An Arse To Your Kids generally results in them not being g an arse to you, or in general.
If this sounds smug, I apologise. Maybe we're just lucky. I like to think we've mainly just been patient and loving and encouraged them to be good people though.
krissakabusivibe@reddit
No true Scotsman
pharmamess@reddit
If you're so tired, why don't you give it a rest?
Duranis@reddit
100% this. I work in a primary school and the kids are basically the same as I was 30+ years ago. They have different interests and they are generally a lot smarter then we were but on a basic level not a ton has changed.
Seems every previous generation thinks the next is a problem. Probably going back to Neolithic times when one caveman was complaining to another about their kids spending too much time using wheels to move stuff about instead of carrying like they did as a kid.
systematico@reddit
I have a family member who's been teaching in high school for... all of 4 years, and tell me that 'kids are now so much worse, you wouldn't believe it'.
I try to explain that that's what everyone says since we were monkeys, but of course they are the 'expert'...
scrotalsac69@reddit
The intelligence and knowledge they have blows me away. I know that I didn't have the awareness and interest in stuff that my boy has when I was his age.
heppyheppykat@reddit
It’s weird but I was a very curious and knowledgeable child. What concerns me is that a lot of children seem to know a lot of facts but a fair amount of them are wrong. I say “where did you learn that?” They say the internet.
RodneyRodnesson@reddit
I absolutely love this part of the comments. This is the stuff that blows me away too.
How intelligent, diligent and worldly-wise a lot of kids are nowadays.
I know there are all sorts of children and others will have different experiences but I'm so glad I'm not the only one who sees how brilliant a lot of our youngsters are! :)
Duranis@reddit
Yeah my middle kid is 20 now and she was doing stuff in secondary school that I didn't do until college. My 8 year old seems to be even further forward than my 20 year old was at that point as well.
Away-Ad4393@reddit
My 14 years old nephew is tech mad. But he also plays football and goes to judo lessons. He has never been restricted from screens unless he has been naughty, he was always read to at bedtime when young and he reads books. He had a reading age of 13 when he was 9. I always worried about his unrestricted time to screens but he seems ok. And your children will be too OP.
shadowhunter742@reddit
Possibly the best part of the internet. there is so much educational content available, from a large variety of people on essentially everything, it's really easy to have an interest and learn about it.
ATSOAS87@reddit
I used to spend my days reading fact books my Mum would buy me about anything over and over again because that's all we had at home.
I'd have loved reading stuff on the internet about the subjects I like.
Duranis@reddit
My 8 year old could tell you pretty much anything you could want to know about taking care of and breeding a couple of different species of snakes, including which combinations of morphs give you different chances of the other morphs.
We don't even have snakes, it's just something she was interested in and looked into herself after watching a load of snake discover videos on YouTube.
unluckypig@reddit
My 9 year old will have a conversation with you in Spanish. None of us can speak it, but he was interested and watched lots of Spanish programmes and has been using duolingo religiously for years.
desirewrites@reddit
It’s all about access to information. I had a strong connection to “adult” books like psychology and history texts. Thankfully my parents had a vast library at home. I knew and understood more than my parents about subject matter that they themselves studied because my young neurospicy just looked at everything from a different perspective. The things I knew as a child, and that vastness then, I’m shocked to find another kid with the same type of scope. I’m not better than anyone, just have a sponge for a brain and still obsessed with learning (dad hardwired facts and learning to dopamine, so it basically harnesses my ADHD in a very positive way)
Far_Examination8254@reddit
You are missing an important part. This world is changing faster than ever before in history, there is a bigger difference between generations now, more of a disconnect in similar experiences. In the past your life would have been exactly like your parents.
Also primary school isn't a good way to judge the effects reality of todays world will have on these kids when they get older and how social media etc affects their mental mind and social skills.
I really think you are downplaying how fast the world is changing and its effects on people when they grow up.
Duranis@reddit
That wasn't the question posed though. The question was the normal "kids these days, back in my day" rhetoric.
I do have concerns about how fast things are changing and I also think that society as a whole is moving so far away from how humans are built to function that it will meet a breaking point some time in the not too distant future. We are built to work in communities, supporting each other and knowing our existence has meaning to those around us.
Today so many people are doing "meaningless" work they will never see any practical benefit from and have no real connection to the community around them. As a result we all feel lost, depressed and alone.
But kids for the most part are still kids, they still love playing make believe, they still like drawing pictures, they still laugh at fart jokes.
Kids that are poorly raised by letting tik tok babysit them are still going to have issues just like kids that were neglected 40 years ago had issues.
Don't get me wrong I don't disagree with you, I just try not to only see the negatives.
here4theptotest2023@reddit
Do you ever share this perspective on r/teachers ?
Duranis@reddit
Lol nah I'm just a site manager. I'm sure a teacher will probably have a different perspective than me to be fair. Still though I think a lot of issues teachers face is probably not the kids but the system they are having to work in.
here4theptotest2023@reddit
Did you open with 'i work in a primary school' in a deliberate attempt to imply that you are a teacher? That's how it comes across. Your claim that kid are the same today as 30 years ago is ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Duranis@reddit
Lmfao what a Reddit take.
No I said I work in a primary school because I work in a primary school. Why the hell would I be attempting to pretend I was a teacher.
If you are implying that because I'm not a teacher I don't know what I'm talking about I would politely like to tell you to fuck off.
I work with SEN kids every day, I run after school clubs I'm very involved with the extra curricular stuff going on in our school and I'm very actively working with children everyday.
here4theptotest2023@reddit
Go to r/teachers and tell them that kids are the same today as 30 years ago. See how that works out for you. Make sure you open with 'i work in a primary school' lol
Duranis@reddit
Fucking love how you just invalidate my 15 years of working with kids just because I'm not a teacher.
If everyone on r/teachers is as much of a pretentious twat as you appear to be I think I will pass.
Euphoric-Newspaper18@reddit
I think the online world can be a problem in this respect. Interactions with people online can cause many to behave and say things they'd never say if they were in the same room as them.
nohairday@reddit
"Ugh ugh nugh groo! Nurgh murgh my day ugh gug blug!"
The very first parent, probably.
coldestclock@reddit
Back in Grug’s day, Grug was satisfied with fire! Offspring now all interested in wheel, no longer marvel at fire! Grug throw wheel in crevasse! Family stare at fire!
i_see_frogs@reddit
This Holly McNish poem nails it for me, like you say, some kids are shits, most of them are the great, and that is the way it’s always been -
five in six boys think andrew tate is a prick
the headline reads: one in six boys aged six to fifteen have a positive view of andrew tate the headline does not read:
five in six boys think andrew tate is a prick prefer riding their bike into town with their mates than listening to a grown up angrily shout through a screen
five in six boys think their mum is alright roll their eyes when she hugs them will remember the sound of her laugh when she's gone
five in six boys have baked biscuits or muffins
do not want to strangle a girlfriend, think rape is abysmal, want love, think love is confusing, do not want a fist in their face
five in six boys think their dad's jokes are occasionally funny, have a friend who likes the same music they like,
worry about the look of their bodies in swim shorts
love the feeling of crying from laughter
five in six boys feel nervous about holding the hand of a crush privately cry when a person they fancy doesn't fancy them back without seeking to hurt them
five in six boys are worried they'll fail their exams feel stupid sometimes, are scared by the thought of the future five in six boys think flowers are beautiful
will not use the word beautiful will be bullied if they use the word beautiful about flowers
still, five in six boys said thank you for dinner helped take the plates to the kitchen smile when a kitten curls up on their lap
and six in six boys sleep sounder when someone who loves them plants a kiss on their forehead or just quietly whispers goodnight
ac-twelve@reddit
Yes, THIS 👏 side note, I adore Holly, her poems on parenthood in particular are incredible
RodneyRodnesson@reddit
That's a beautiful poem.
It's almost all human experience in a nutshell.
psn_mrbobbyboy@reddit
That’s a cracking poem!
akl78@reddit
That’s a great poem
turbo_dude@reddit
Hesiod (8th century BC):
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint.
Aromatic_Carob_9532@reddit
Are you sure that wasn't Socrates from Brasil 1970?
turbo_dude@reddit
https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/hesiod-works-and-days-sb/
here4theptotest2023@reddit
When was the first time this was printed in English?
SuzLouA@reddit
If OP really cared about this, they’d be advocating for more free or low cost spaces for kids to enjoy activities out of the house. One thing that genuinely was different when we were kids was plentiful free public toilets, numerous convenient benches, skate areas in city centres, fountains that kids could play in in the summer, parks and fields that were aimed at giving teens a space to play and explore, not just primary age kids corralled safely in a small fenced off playground. There were things like laser quest or bowling or paintball or arcades, all for a reasonable cost (and tbf a lot of these have been killed by online gaming but it would not be impossible to draw kids back into them if there was a whole area dedicated to them). Kids were smiled at indulgently when adults saw them playing, instead of people scowling and threatening to call the police because a bunch of teenagers just want to hang out on a street corner and socialise - because where tf else are they meant to socialise, when the parks are locked, the benches are gone or covered in horrific anti-homeless spikes or other hostile architecture, the fields and commons are bulldozed to make room for another lorryload of Barrett houses?
The kids are different today. Because the previous generations have actively worked to make their lives more shit.
windfall21@reddit
you missed the most underplayed and possibly influential factor: diet.
itsaride@reddit
Hard disagree, since I first got a computer in the early 80s I've been a mostly inside person, I do enjoy the countryside when it's warm out, but it never affected me in regards to authority although corporal punishment made me hate it more and respect it less in the short term.
Ryuain@reddit
Thank you, I haven't been outside since I saw an Amiga.
Enders-game@reddit
Disagree completely. I have 3 teenagers and their childhood doesn't resemble mine in the slightest. Compared to them, I was practically feral, but I felt I had a normal upbringing as an early millennial (late 80s/90s childhood). I was out 16 hours a day. My kids can be in 20 hours and consider it being extrovert.
It's comforting in some ways for them to be around the house so often and them being so comfortable around us. But man... they need a life.
EggRavager@reddit
I was raised in the 90’s and I was constantly inside lol
Sburns85@reddit
Not really I am 39 and when I was 15 you had the bad kids but the worst thing they did was fight etc. now it’s not uncommon to see kids carrying a knife with them. Was only last year we had a kid threaten security guard with a knife at the local supermarket.
Nervous-Economy8119@reddit
I’m the same age as you as kids had knives when I was a teen.
BabaGanoushHabibi@reddit
100%
CharlayT@reddit
I mean, I don't think they were saying nobody had knives... Just more kids do. And that is factually true. Youth knife crime as massively increased in the last 3 decades.
Y2KK1D@reddit
This is conformation bias, you weren't exposed to it as a teen, therefore you don't think it's common. We're the least violent generation of humans to ever exist!
Dimac99@reddit
North of Glasgow, I attended schools with a very mixed socio-economic intake, mostly working class. Only once in the 90's was there a knife issue in my high school and everyone was talking about it for weeks. And the kid had stolen a knife from home economics class, not brought it in with him. Of course knife crime existed, but it wasn't kids in their mid teens and carrying wasn't anything like as common. Older gang members undoubtedly had them, but not children.
The one time a kid got seriously injured was a severe beating (in a much rougher area of a nearby district) that put him in intensive care after he got jumped. Today, he probably wouldn't have made it to the hospital because he would have already bled to death on the street. Nice guy too, not a bully or a troublemaker, just opened his mouth in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Sburns85@reddit
I was in a high-school that was almost purely council estate areas. And we never had knife issues. Just the usual smoking etc. But now that high school has metal detectors at all entrances
Y2KK1D@reddit
Nothing violent ever happened to me growing up early Y2K in a small English county village! Our anecdotes often don't define the times fully.
Dimac99@reddit
I would guess a minimum of 80% of my high school were from council estates in the local town, as well as some outlying villages. This wasn't a wee rural school.
Wyvernkeeper@reddit
I think it is more dangerous now but I'm the same age as you and as a teenager in London I had several knives and on one occasion a gun pulled on me.
Think it depends on where you live, it's also partly why we moved out of London when my wife became pregnant.
Sburns85@reddit
Am in Scotland. So we are used to have a scrap with fists and not blades (apart from Glasgow). But recently it’s gotten a lot lot worse. The guard in question has since lost his job because he got the knife off the kid and punched the kid (15/16)
AtLeastOneCat@reddit
I'm in Scotland and remember kids carrying knives. I remember the threat of it was always there, too. You were always told to avoid other teens/preteens if they tried to pick a fight because they could have a knife. It really depends on the area.
I think we hear about it in the news more now but it's as bad as it has ever been.
Sburns85@reddit
See I grew up in north Edinburgh. No one had knives and it was rare to see one. The police would do regular stop and searches. It was local area news when I was held up at knife point by a junkie. But I swung my bike chain and got him. Now we hear of kids using knives almost daily.
Bufger@reddit
I'm 41 and I carried a knife as a teenager as did many i knew. I had a gun pointed at me at 14 etc.
My 14 year old sees alot less than I did as he organises things with his friends through media and doesn't just hang around bored like we did.
CNRADMSN@reddit
This is massive, kids may go out less these days but their reasons for going out are more purposeful I think, I spent the majority of my teenage years just hanging about, not really doing anything in particular, not causing any issues but at the same time not doing anything productive... I did this well into my 20's even after passing my driving test, just sitting in Tesco car park, then driving round town aimlessly 🤣
i7omahawki@reddit
I’m about the same age and a kid at my Primary School brought a knife to school.
Aggravating-Act-1092@reddit
there are kids who do and don't have knives in both timelines. I never did, my kids don't nor have I heard of any of their peer group doing so.
Sburns85@reddit
We know have a massive issue with kids and knives around my local area. That was never the case 20 years ago
Wd91@reddit
Have you actually delved into the local crime statistics or is this just based on anecdotes and clickbait media?
Duranis@reddit
I'm slightly older, kids carried knives back then too. Remember one guy threatening another with a hatchet when we were in secondary school and I grew up in a fairly decent area.
Bhenny_5@reddit
I always feel bad thinking that some of our friends kids are shits but there’s really no escaping it 😅
throw-away-doh@reddit
There are a couple of factors.
1) The culture of parenting has changed. Parents treat their children as if they were their friends rather than their children. There is very little discipline in the home and parents have moved against there being any discipline in schools.
As a result children have not been trained to treat others with respect. They just run on their intuitive child behaviour, which is to say - children are really very selfish if you don't train them not to be.
2) The technology you put in their hands is an addictive substance. It gives them short form stimulation in the form of dopamine. They are always looking for the next hit. We might not be giving them the drug directly but the effect is the same. They are dopamine drug fiends. They get withdrawals really quickly, get anxious when they don't have access to their drug source and will break social norms to secure access to their next hit.
This addiction to dopamine and the anxiety they feel when its absent means they cannot tolerate activities that are less stimulating, reading a book, throwing a ball against a wall just aren't stimulating enough.
Worse than that the addictive technology when in the form of social media rewards bad behaviour. They get a social reward for bullying at a greater scale than ever before and at any time of day. Their instinct to put somebody else down to elevate their own social status has been gamified and they love the game.
The kids really are not ok this time.
kittofhousemormont@reddit
I work with young people, mostly year 7 to year 9 but a couple of older ones. This top point is massive. The pupils expect me to treat them like a friend, and in fact we're becoming increasingly encouraged to do so, not entirely but partially because parents complain about mental health or lack of support if anything more than the simplest of discipline happens (they're within their rights, there's always been parents who take the piss and there's always been well intentioned but misinformed parents etc.etc.). The pupils comment on the appearances of staff members often as if I care if they think I look particularly beautiful today. They show a frankly unhealthy interest in our lives and want us on their social media. We are told to save anything other than trying to understand, soften, and explain away behaviour until the last possible opportunity. Shouting or firmness is not discouraged, but rare. I've had pupils call me names and laugh at me because I said "no" to them firmly, and passing staff members step in with a soothing voice saying that if they call me that and laugh while I'm talking I might misunderstand and think they didn't respect me and I'm sure you wouldn't want to hurt their feelings...to a 14 year old boy who thinks he's just got away with his "little shit" moment and runs away laughing. We have to tell them more than is probably healthy that we're proud of them and that we believe in them, sometimes just for sitting down before doing a test in a lesson. They get a lot of praise, because it's important that we reward good behaviour. That's not wrong. But, alongside their relationships with their parents that are different to what we've dealt with before, it means they are expecting us to be their friends. Or something like it. They don't understand how many facets of dealing positively with pupils as a job - support, protection, encouragement, confidence building, trust - doesn't add up to 'friend'.
What this means in practice is, it's all good until you stop being someone they see as a friend (or, if you never started being seen as one because you went for Boundaries immediately), they're not prepared for it.
They are nice kids who don't always make good decisions, nothing more and nothing less. They are acting the way they think they're expected to act, and they react with the same shock, horror and disbelief, and therefore all that comes with it, when the world suddenly doesn't work the way they thought it would.
I'm sure most of my classmates would have done the same, if we'd expected teachers to be our friends too.
Life_Cheesecake3408@reddit
Thank you for sharing and teaching these kids. I wouldn't have the patience. This did make me chuckle: "We have to tell them more than is probably healthy that we're proud of them and that we believe in them, sometimes just for sitting down before doing a test in a lesson". What the... 😂😭 This is wild. I might request my boss do the same every morning I turn up to work.
Strange-Tea7949@reddit
Agreed, discipline starts at home. Your child, your responsibility. My grandad used to say a child is like a small tree, while it's young you are able to shape it into whatever direction you like, but once established you're not changing it.
I think part of the problem is that parents now lead extremely busy lives, often with both parents working full time, which is required to keep a roof over their heads and the general cost of living. Quality of life has declined and this has affected families and wider society.
We also now live in a very connected world. As someone that's known a world without internet, I'd confidently say social media has made things worse.
People are addicted to apps, so much time is wasted flicking through content that you'll end up forgetting in a few hours, and there's social pressure to participate. If you're not on Facebook, Instagram, Ticktock, whatever, then you're disconnected to all your peers that use them.
I left Facebook 12 years ago and there certainly was an adjustment period where I felt disconnected from my friends and what they were up to - but it was for the better. My bet is that adjustment period is far worse, today.
My personal view is that phones shouldn't be given to children and certainly should be banned at school. You're at school to be educated and smartphones and their apps are a distraction.
I also feel we need to embed the need for respect in society and for a form of effective discipline to be introduced. Too many parents aren't doing their job and it's people like teachers and well behaved students that face the consequences.
I remember back in my school days the usual one or two students that often gave teachers a hard time and affected the learning of everyone else in the classroom. Innocent students and their education should not suffer from the behaviour of a select few.
I also disagree with the excuse "every generation has said the same thing". This is different. The world has changed immensely through technology and a decline in living standards. As you've said, a quick scan of that sub shows a troubled landscape, far worse than anything I experienced.
Effective_Crazy6307@reddit
I grew up in the nineties, so I had probably the second wave of Game Consoles PS1/Game Boy Colour. As well as a television with a video player in my room. I never remember my parents telling me, "That was enough." I don't ever remember people in the nineties thinking, "My kids are having too much screen time." That being said, the difference between having a handheld games console with a couple of games and few videos to completely different than having a piece of technology that has access to everything and anything, social media apps that serve algorithms to keep you hooked.
As for the authority figures. There's always been kids who don't respect teachers or the police. I'm sure if you cast your mind back to when you were in school, you can think of kids who misbehaved and didn't care about the consequences.
donoteatshrimp@reddit
I would honestly say my childhood of gaming contributed significantly to my problem solving abilities as an adult lol! Not to mention perseverance, with those old school JRPGs...
Relative-Thought-105@reddit
We definitely spent a lot of time on consoles but it was typical that you had one console in your house and maybe 5 to 10 games that you had to save up to buy. Subsequently you had to wait your turn and you had to try really hard to beat Sonic 2 or whatever. You failed and kept going and trying again and again.
Now each kid has their own phone or tablet. They play a game, and if you fail, it's like give up and download the next shitty game that is basically just a cash grab.
And then they watch TikTok or YouTube shorts and honestly it just fries their brain. This has been shown time and time again.
I work in a school and I can distinguish between the kids who have phones and the kids who don't with terrifying ease. My colleague and I did an experiment one time where we made a list of the kids who can focus and the kids who can't, then asked who has a phone, who plays games on their phone, who watches TikTok. Exact correlation. (Of course, the lack of focus can also be attributed to laxer parenting, more time spent indoors etc etc)
Throwawaythedocument@reddit
I think you've hit on something there. Looking at my childhood and early teens most kids shared their consoles, if you get me.
When I was 8 it'd be, 'mum, me and jonny are going to Ben's to play his new PS1.'
When I was 12 it'd be, "dad, we are off to jonny's to play on his Xbox."
My parent's were good and just didn't get me a console as they saw that I could easily get drawn into TV and early computer games and put two and two together.
Plus, weekend console afternoons were for winter. Any other time we wanted to go to the park, or out on our bikes. Or see if a parent could take us out for a day trip.
I do wonder if it's screen addiction, but I also sympathise that some people probably can't afford to take their kids out to do engaging physical stuff regularly.
Effective_Crazy6307@reddit
I get that. You'd gravitate to people's houses who had the games consoles, 3/4 could cram into someone's bedroom and take turns on them. I grew up in a small village, so every summer, I'd spend every day outside, hanging out with whoever else was in the park from my primary school. It didn't matter who.
I think another issue with this generation is most people have screen addictions. It's quite contradictory to try and limit your kids screen time if your guilty of spending your freetime scrolling on Facebook or watching Netflix
Throwawaythedocument@reddit
Yeah, I mean I've told my partner if she wants kids, she needs to learn to drive.
Why?
Well firstly my parents are 2 hours away so I need that flexibility now if they ever needed help on a school night
Next thing, I want a kid to have hobbies to avoid these issues.Gymnastics, swimming. Help them make friends who are not chronically online, keep them fit, help them be tired so they sleep well. You can only really do that if you have two drivers to split the load
bahumat42@reddit
I'm a 90s kid and I too had these things, but not when I was really young.
There are people who will happily sit their toddler on a tablet and call it a day. I think that what parents do when the child is young is doing a lot of the influence.
Yeah I saw kids cartoons, but I also visited castles and went swimming or played sports.
Effective_Crazy6307@reddit
Yeah, that's true. I would've been 6-8 when I got my first games console. Tablets are so convenient and mind-numbing for children, easy for parents to whip them out whenever needed.
Mdl8922@reddit
In terms of authority, what is there to be scared of?
Bully a kid? No punishment.
Take a knife to school, get a week off, and your reputation gets a boost, as other kids are now afraid of you.
Sexual assault? "He didn't mean it"
Racial abuse? "He didn't understand what the word meant"
Selling drugs, stealing? Even if it gets as far as court you get a slap on the wrist, the benefits outweigh the punishment.
Canipaywithclaps@reddit
^ often the excuses and defence coming from the parents themselves!
It’s insane what parents blame teachers for or what bad or even sometimes illegal behaviour can be excuse by a privately bought ADHD diagnosis.
Mdl8922@reddit
Oh absolutely!
The examples I gave above all came from teachers, but some of the parents are entirely disinterested!
The kid with the knife was 'sent home' from school, but stayed for the day as his mum couldn't collect him because she'd been drinking, so they had to keep him on the premises until the school bus arrived at the end of the day!
Schools aren't interested, police aren't interested, parents aren't interested, what are you supposed to do? It's horrible.
donoteatshrimp@reddit
Anecdotally as someone that's worked in school admin for 10 years, which isn't really even that long, when I first started if you were caught with drugs or alcohol on site, you were permanently excluded. Once a year at most, didn't see it often. Now, it happens so much, we just do temporary suspensions... It always feels so unjust thinking about the guy with an otherwise decent record who got caught with weed in his blazer and got PX'd in his final year in 2015, Vs the ferals now that come in actively drunk and/or high and just get a slap on the wrist. Whether it's a change in local authority policy or just senior management letting it slide in unsure, but it's poor. But behaviour is getting out of control, attendance figures across the country are at an all time low, we're getting kids in from primary school with perm exclusions on their records for fuck sake. And I won't blame these kids because it is ALWAYS the parents. I don't know how it got to this state.
PerkeNdencen@reddit
This was all so much worse in the 90s. Sorry, but it's true. You're looking back with rose tinted glasses.
Mdl8922@reddit
Might well have been mate, I'm not looking back at all, I didnt have kids in the 90's so never dealt with any of this.
PerkeNdencen@reddit
Ah, well I was a kid in the 90s. Maybe the knife thing is a bit different. Everything was way worse than it worse than it seems to be now. Deffo on the sexual assault, racial abuse, selling drugs and stealing front! It's not that no one was punished, it just didn't affect them at all.
Humble_Exchange_2087@reddit
Yeah the racism and misogyny in the 90s was very bad, and homophobia was rampant. There were bunch of kids who thought rape jokes were hilarious. Oh and one of my class mates went to jail for stabbing a drug dealer to death in year 9.
PlatypusAmbitious430@reddit
What schools did you people go to?
None of that happened at my secondary school and I was only there a few years ago.
Mdl8922@reddit
This was my daughters school in the Bournemouth area, luckily she left a couple of years ago.
TheLimeyLemmon@reddit
This subreddit would implode if it was made to not load its questions.
Meldj@reddit
Authority figures frankly don't deserve the respect. Politicians have ruined their prospects, police don't serve their communities (possibly not through fault of their own but funding/numbers, but still), teachers teach them an outdated and irrelevant syllabus only aimed at passing exams and they know it, kids aren't stupid. The 'real' authority figures these days are the influencers and social media giants who have 'made it' in a world that doesn't present very many opportunities for the younger generation. So they see that, and they copy it. Unfortunately, a good chunk of them are bellends!
Cute-Dig4373@reddit
Remember when we were kids? Out parents used to say "why are kids so diffrent/disrespectful/rude nowadays? "
You're litreally doing the same thing.
Culture and trends change. We adults can't keep up. I'll never know "skibbidy toilet " or why Minecraft is so huge.
I dont get why fewer kids love skate parks. Or why we still dont get a load of kids with a bottle of TNT cider in parks at night thinking they are getting away with drinking not knowing the parents are just keeping an eye on them to keep them safe pretending they dont know what's happening.
And that's okay. They have things we dreamed about in the 80s, the internet is what we wanted it to be, with the ability to talk to our friends video chat, play games, make homework eaiser and are safer for it.
But I can confirm that as a bunch of lads I the 80s we would of done the same,
The main difference is now everything is recorded, seen, and shared with everyone. So of course it seems worse than it is.
Lets be honest how many times do you search for good new about what the kids are doing? Or are you only relaying on the prepicked news ment to inflame us against something so we will watch that new channel or feed?
Dear-Read-9627@reddit
Quick answer: not just now, not just UK. But yes younger generations think differently.
Logical-Conclusion3@reddit
willmaybewont@reddit
Ok grandad.
UnusualAnthropology@reddit
One contributing factor is that unquestioning subservience to adults has been flagged as very toxic and meant that children didn't speak up when adults were doing very uncomfortable things to them.
The youngest generation are being brought up to be able to say No when it comes to bodily autonomy. It will protect them in many ways, but does make the already difficult job of Parenting that bit harder and more elements of teaching/negotiation with them. It's a fine line to walk to ensure they're questioning the right things without being objectionable or simply refusing to do things which are beneficial.
IhadCorona3weeksAgo@reddit
I was always using computers not outside. So it depends on individual.
Defiant_Sun_6589@reddit
Hi mate
Here's a 4000 year old stone tablet from ancient Babylon bemoaning how the kids aint right these days...
https://www.bartleby.com/lit-hub/respectfully-quoted/tablet-babylon/
Lanky-Big4705@reddit
A lot of kids in Britain aren't of British heritage which could explain some of the difference.
toomanykades@reddit
Late Dad at 35? I was 41. Just goes to show perspective is everything.
Kampungmonyet@reddit
I honestly don’t think things have changed as much as people think. I was in my tweens during the eighties and am constantly seeing parallels with my 12 year old and her friends.
Zestyclose-Oil204@reddit
We have been poisoned by barbaric gangsta cultures
Electrical_Flower757@reddit
I grew up in the UK in the 70s and 80s in an inner city. There was very little respect shown to teachers/police/random adults.
As soon as video games showed up we shoved all of our money into the arcades (where casual violence was rife) and then moved on to home consoles like Ataris etc.
The past that many people talk about definitely didn’t exist where I lived.
Exidose@reddit
Read the book "The Anxious Generation" by Jonathan Haidt
It discusses a lot about the questions you have in this post.
sawtoothwave11@reddit
Instead of taking technology off them, you give them a time limit and then reminder so when you come to take it away, they know it was going to happen. Also I think there is far less consequence to anti social behaviour. Neighbourhoods don't want to intervene and police don't have the time...
-Londoneer-@reddit
“Our youth now love luxury, they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders, and they love to chatter instead of exercise. Children are now tyrants not servants of their household. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
Socrates, writing in 400BC. It's not just them, it's you, you've aged (in a nice way!).and now find them going to hell in a hand cart...like every generation since the dawn of time.
I have teenagers. I'm really inspired by their outlook and views so don't worry, the kids are alright. It is on us to teach them to be respectful, kind and engaged with the world. Only that last one is a little more difficult than it was for us but that's the world they live in and we have to try and prepare them for human interaction. They won't always get it right..but then, did we?
Lambsenglish@reddit
Ah yes, the old “why are kids different”, ignoring the fact that kids of every generation are different to the kids of the last.
Everything changes. Societies, cultures, civilisations, and the people who inhabit them.
Why don’t they respect authority figures? Probably because they see more than we did and the police have exposed themselves to be rapists and racists, and politicians have been utter toilet for 15 years.
Whenever you’re harking back to an age gone by, you’re sociologically out of pocket. Social era move on because we know better than to live in the last one.
Wise_Level_8892@reddit
Immigration
here4thelego@reddit
I see video games mentioned, I think that’s only a small amount of the issue. Yes we did have games in the 80s / 90s but do you remember what the graphics were like? Hardly on par with the realism you can get now…
However I think it’s more of a social issue largely caused by “social” media. Now that most are addicted to their phones the real world is less interesting and also feels less real than what is seen on the phone / online itself. So it causes a massive disconnect.
I have a half brother and sister 16 & 18 and they feel they couldn’t exist without their phones / social accounts (they have told me this), but almost everything about them is blasé and you can this unnerving feeling say if their friends died in front of them in some horrific way tomorrow they’d be like “omg how sad” and they’d make a TikTok post about it and be ok… that is the most scary part, the total disconnection from people, the real world and the things that actually matter.
I literally wish social media etc would disappear tomorrow even Reddit, we’d all be so much better off.
JedsBike@reddit
I really don’t know the answer, but I largely agree with you. I think there’s less fear, because people aren’t allowed to physically punish their children anymore. What’s the worst that’s going to happen - no screen time for 24hrs?
I also think there’s a lot of lazy parenting (I’m guilty of it too.) It’s easy to put a screen on to keep children entertained. And it’s endless. You can carry on watching cartoons on repeat for 24 hrs a day. That wasn’t the case when we grew up. There were 4 channels with 2-3hrs of children’s programs. Half of which you didn’t like.
Nice_Back_9977@reddit
‘Physically punish’ aka assault
360Saturn@reddit
Well, that is the point though.
When I was a child, I knew that the twice my size person I lived with could hit me if I misbehaved, which was a pretty good deterrent to misbehaving, and naturally you would then assume the same thing about other adults. Basic conditioning.
ToHellWithSanctimony@reddit
I think it's because you used the word "good" to describe the deterrent to misbehaviour, rather than a more neutral word like "effective".
Moniker_Geller7@reddit
Screaming at you thinking a slap on the arse from your own parent and a lesson learnt is ASSAULT.
Nice_Back_9977@reddit
If you slapped literally anybody else on the arse it would absolutely be assault. If you did it to your own child in Scotland or Wales it would be assault. It’s very weird that in England the only person you are legally allowed to assault is your own child.
Moniker_Geller7@reddit
🪶
jflb96@reddit
Batter, even
WhichEmotion5356@reddit
This phenomenon is caused by a hypertolerant society. I say it how it is: People behaved way better when a good beating was the expected and legit response to bad behaviour.
Its how it is. A vast majority of humans only learn through negative repercussion, not by believing in good will, morals or virtue.
Own_Art_2465@reddit
Yet crime including youth crime was much at a much higher level
WhichEmotion5356@reddit
Thats fine but bad education and behaviour is not a crime. There definitely is a interrelationship between both behaviour and criminality, but as I can tell every teacher out there can and will confirm to you that the current level respect for authority dropped and is nearly non existent nowadays - which is definitely partly caused by social media and lack of any form of repercussion.
Ok-Train5382@reddit
Same goes for adults. The sheer amount of cuntery that some adults get away with is mad. Some people need to get their head kicked in to realise they should stop acting like a bellend.
Canipaywithclaps@reddit
Physical punishment isn’t required for your kids to listen or respect you. Physical punishment is often WORTH IT to do the bad thing.
What would actually ‘hurt’ children would be removing luxuries, such as tech, for significant amounts of time. And not just threatening it, but actually doing it.
pitiless@reddit
Sadly this is not true, but I wish it was.
Imagine you're in work and I'm your line manager and I'm unhappy with your behaviour/ your attitude/ something else. Would it be acceptable for me to give you a clip around the lugs?
Of course it wouldn't be ok. Why on earth would this be different when talking about someone smaller and weaker?
I received corporal punishment as a child, and reflecting back on those occurrences it was almost always about an adult venting their frustrations. Likewise the very small number of times I've seen parents disciplining their children with violence it's been the same.
Own_Art_2465@reddit
Corporal pumishment has been shown to be ineffective at best. All being smacked/hit with various objects as a kid taught me was that anger and shouting was scarier and to dislike my parents
sly_sally28@reddit
They used to say the world would pass you by if you had your head in a book. Then kids would be told something similar if they watched TV. After that it was video games and now it's mobile phones.
The answer has always been everything in moderation.
TheDuke2031@reddit
Easy,
It's everything they see online
All the content creators online are seen as gods by alot of kids these days. They basically worhsip them.
These content creators often are not good people, like KSI (rape face) etc. Then the kids start acting like this and you get what you've discussed.
It's just down to the new influences they've got from different sources, and what's mum and dad going to do? Monitor they're watch history each day?
Mysterious_State9339@reddit
As translated from the Ancient Greek
Humboldt_@reddit
Social norms have shifted, technology has reshaped childhood, and cultural attitudes toward authority have evolved. Instant gratification through screens means traditional pastimes don’t always hold the same appeal. Lockdown, social media, and changing parenting philosophies all play a role.
DoctorNerfarious@reddit
It is almost all bad parenting.
toddler does something bad or undesirable. E.g. hits a cat, hits their sibling, says a cuss word or refuses to eat dinner.
Shit parent doesn’t address the issue, instead opts for one of the following; iPad, chocolate, not telling them off or giving them whatever they want in an attempt to stop them doing the undesirable behaviour.
Kid has this for 3-4 years and is now totally unmanageable by their parents. They listen to nothing because they have been conditioned to believe they can do whatever they want.
Kid goes to school and is unleashed on the world. Obviously it doesn’t work. They ruin school for the good kids. The teachers / other parents raise the issue.
Rather than going “yeah when they refused vegetables and I gave them chocolate, or when they were crying so I put on YouTube shorts. That was really bad I should make efforts to fix it”. They go “oh he must have ADHD / Autism”.
And then that kid is ruined forever. They won’t be able to hold down a job, or hold down anything. They will never know boundaries. They will never amount to anything. And they or their parents will find a way to say it is societies / governments / schools fault.
Or better yet they’ll say it is my fault because I am toxic / discriminatory.
Meanwhile me the toxic one, is parenting a 3 year old who says please and thank you, beams ear to ear at virtually everything, and is excelling in basically every area of development be it him being potty trained, his reading, maths or physical development like climbing or handeye. All because when he refused to eat his vegetables I told him he can’t get down from the table. And he cried. And cried. And cried. Then he realized the only way he can play with his toys is to eat them. So he ate them, played with his toys, told me he loves me and that happened 4-5x and now he never cries to get down from the table.
People genuinely think that no set bed time, therefore no sleep routine, conceding to what the kid wants over every single aspect of life, will result in a well adjusted, successful child. It won’t, and it is YOUR fault. Not my child’s fault, not their teachers fault, that your child is behind in everything and disrespectful to everyone around them. I repeat, YOUR fault.
RicardoHonesto@reddit
It's the micro plastics accumulated in their developing brains. Neurodivergency on the rise, dementia. Kids born today are in for a tough time with climate change on top.
-Blackarmy-@reddit
Maybe you should reflect on your parenting skills and involvement with your kids rather than do the same stupid thing older people have done for millenia. You want you kids to live fulfilled lives, be a fulfilling parent.
someonenothete@reddit
Big business has got far far better at grabbing and holding attention . It’s kinda scary how much effort gets put into keeping people on platforms , we have let them put is back into servitude in someways .
mitzibishi@reddit
Twas better in my day. Kids had more respect
ShortyRedux@reddit
Maybe you're an outlier. I didn't go home and behave better because a cop looked at me. Perhaps you have always had too much respect for authority.
YearObvious7214@reddit
We look at the past with rose tinted glasses.
I had my first beer at 12/13. Cigarette probably the same.
Girl in my primary class got bullied so hard, she had leave school.
My neighbour complained to my mother that we were disrespectful for playing with lifts or climbing the garage roofs.
I stayed home playing video games, watching TV, reading books all the time.
Etc, etc.
As to authorities, we should NEVER be scared of authorities. We should respect them, but for that they have to behave in a manner that brings respect.
It's hard to be a kid now, with social media, technology everywhere. And I had this assumption by some older generations that they're our enemies or the constant complaining. They're our future. If they bring us shame, that's because we failed, not them.
supersunsetman@reddit
Very simple children learn to use the system.
I have an eight year old that when I threaten to take the laptop off him he threatened false accusations to social services saying he will make things up.
It all started with the school asking about his mental health of course dad taking tablet or laptop is mean.
So I'm 'mean' at home and then investigation. It's all so exhausting me and wife are now afraid of him and are working with SS to find some kind of parenting techniques or ways to deal with him
Ok-Jackfruit4096@reddit
Winter and nights were about the console. Summers was about bring out all day.
BeastmanTR@reddit
Yeeeep. Same thing I hear from everyone. Never in a million years would I think of talking back to my parents or any other adult. But here we are, my kids try it and get punished to high hell but other parents don't seem to be doing the same. Same at school, no discipline.
Staburgh@reddit
I think it's harder for kids these days to get a sense of what might be real. So much of what they see online is fake or at least a staged version of reality which is made to seem real. But also with so much time spent in those environments there's less time spent interacting face to face so communication skills aren't developing.
Lecturers at universities are saying that school leavers have observably weaker communication skills and are less confident to communicate than they were in the past, and that's the ones who are ostensibly more intellectually engaged.
The kids who act up are generally the less confident ones so when they're seeing folk doing ridiculous things which they don't think they can measure up to, and they lack confidence as a result of that and weak communication skills, plus seeing that people are becoming poorer and that doesn't seem to be slowing down, I can see why they would act out.
itsmyresearch2025@reddit
no offence but you sound like an absolutely enormous loser mate
ashisanandroid@reddit
This generation is growing up with technology designed to:
The technology itself is amoral but ultimately optimises towards content that is not compatible with the values you grew up with
Beyond this, parenting can be poor and generationally so - with less input from grandparents to right the wrongs of parents
Authority figures are less respected but, in some ways, less deserving of respect also: the police are more famous for tokenistic gestures and policing language than cracking down on ASB and burglaries etc
Politicians have shown a country where breaking the rules is rewarded; this belief is central to many of the tech owners responsible for issue #1 also
HMWYA@reddit
Interesting you think the Police are less respected nowadays due to “policing language”, a right-wing boogeyman that isn’t actually happening, rather than the reality of the institutionalised racism and misogyny that has been more significantly brought to public attention in recent years.
Gruejay2@reddit
It's not about whether they deserve it or not - it's the public perception - and both have been contributing factors.
I'm not justifying it: I'm just saying that when everyone is constantly bashing public institutions, it's not surprising that trust has eroded in them, and (unfortuantely) it's not actually tethered to whether those criticisms are justfied, which means there are no clear solutions.
paddydog48@reddit
A big part of the authoritarian playbook is to attempt to get the public to lose faith in the institutions so that you are the only voice that can be “trusted”
A tactic used by Hitler and now being attempted by Trump and Farage.
ashisanandroid@reddit
Yes, thank you, this is my point. Perceptions matter, and I would argue even more so when the model is "policing by consent".
We need to see police people on our streets, in our communities, doing the hard work that we ask of them.
Unfortunately, most people's main exposure to the police is in the news and this is almost always bad: whether that's awful stories like Sarah Everard's rape and murder, or misguided PR stunts that play into the right-wing press narrative.
Or their exposure is the absence of police when they need them.
Or the little cardboard pop up policemen in shops.
I do think the solution is clearer regards the police: it is getting out in communities, tackling the small scale offences that piss people off and absolutely taking on the press where it is inaccurate. Demonstrate goodness, fairness, and respect for the law - in person, not behind screens.
Tony Blair's crackdown on ASB was a good example of that, and I can bet that a lot of people nodded in agreement with Robert Jenrick's recent videos about fare dodging - irrespective of his own selective interpretation of the rules.
Clearly not easy to simply 'do' this but I think the strategy can be clear.
mh1ultramarine@reddit
To add to that shutting down any public spaces
FourCardStraight@reddit
Kids disrespecting teachers and police officers is not new. Pick up a comic book from the 70s
SurlyPoe@reddit
If you do not control your computer then your computer controls you. Tech companies "Lobbied" (bribed) enough European and US politicians to completely bypass normal consumer law and get control of everything we won and hence everything we see.
Now we do as we are told and we are told to consume, all the better if it is virtual products.
Not all kids, but very many, are lost in a virtual world that is no accident. It is a commercial construct.
The population gets absolutely no protection from its Governments now. The multinationals legally still own the things we thought we had bought and hence they own us.
web3monk@reddit
Everyone's slaved their kids to phones out of peer pressure.
When I was a boy I wasn't allowed a PlayStation, many friends had them, with big tvs, sky television etc. We were well off but had none of it. My father would say good when I told him I was bored and frequently sent me outside for the day.
All of the top boarding and public schools ban smartphones.
They've put the television and PlayStation into every kids pocket and they don't experience real life on it, their brain development is completely different and many of the qualities required in a person are missing.
mikasoze@reddit
They're not (with the exception of the development of technology). You've just reached the "old man yells at cloud" stage of life.
BigupsBigups@reddit
They don't respect authority because you are a soft touch like most parents these days
BeardXP@reddit
What I've noticed in myself as I got older as a millennial and I see now in Gen Z is that we give respect where it's due / earned.
The whole "respect your elders" mentality that people used to have doesn't cut it with me, if you're old and a prick then you're still a prick. You don't get my respect just because you're old.
I think it's a similar attitude towards authority especially with the growth of social media exposing abuses of power and authority. We don't automatically respect authority anymore, because we're waiting to see if they're one of the good ones.
Jedservo@reddit
Good point. Slightly harder to tell though when a basic consensus on reality can often lacking.
pseudonode01@reddit
Hard times make for strong men. Strong men make for good times. Good times makes for weak men. Weak men make for bad times.
And then history repeats.
mnclick45@reddit
I’ve not had kids yet but I think the opposite is true.
I find them to be brilliant little people who are way more open, articulate, polite and friendly than the horrible little shit bags I grew up around.
Maybe I have ‘brown tinted glasses’? But kids on my estate were awful. Vandalism was rife. Litter everywhere. Bikes getting nicked constantly.
Granted I moved away from the dump town I was born in, but the kids I experience nowadays are a world away from the ones in the 90s.
Terrible_Ordinary728@reddit
We live in a less safe country now than in the 90s.
The only people incentivised to have children are those on benefits.
The top earners have all absconded to Dubai.
Yes, UK kids are totally different today because the kids are not the same people as they were in the 90s.
Strange_Tea_2941@reddit
There’s a case for home educating your kids sometimes if you’re able to.
serenityxfelice@reddit
I am 30 but I see your kids point of view. Police and teachers are just people doing they jobs and you can see everywhere in tv/on the internet how bad they can be. Blind obedience of authority is not a good thing. It is sad and mindless behaviour that can lead to being abused by the authority figure. I think kids now are more aware of it.
With being outside- it maybe that they just dont like it. I was a kid that was reading books and draw but would have a meltdown if I needed to socialise.
It also maybe the case they are in the middle of something and you just take it away. I would also be pissed. You were outside because you didnt have anything better to do but idk how many kids from 80/90s would choose beating a puddle with a stick over playing overwatch.
jimbob12345667@reddit
I think it started with Tony Blair’s government, I think it was about that time the UK signed up to the European Human Rights convention, the whole ‘I know my rights’ and sense of entitlement started. This was combined with the attack on the police by the media, where they pretty much wrecked the police reputation, which eroded respect for them and authority. The old saying goes, ‘you get the police force you want, and the crime you deserve.’ The media went for the NHS after the police. I found as a generalisation, the attitude towards police and authorities in the UK as appalling, and at the end of the day there is a flow on effect to the community. I’ve worked all over the world, and again, as a sweeping generalisation, Brits abroad are by a long way the worst nationality to deal with, as they bring this stinking attitude towards authority overseas.
Current_Value_6743@reddit
Well culturally gen z and below grew up in an age of rapid demographic change affecting culture in the cities which then spreads in to the suburbs and beyond, via social media technology which is akin to what cartoons on TV were in generations prior, this leads to white kids called Andrew wearing balaclavas and using Jamaican patois to insult the ‘pigs’ (police) before peddling off.
Any institution which is government funded is an utter embarrassment. You mention that kids lack respect for institutions but respect is earned. Most teachers are underpaid and hate their jobs, and schools are all being rebuilt to look like prisons. Classrooms are overcrowded, teachers have little recourse for bad behaviour, kids don’t grow up reading or valuing the English language. Everyone has a phone and within 2 seconds can be live streaming your face to a thousand people at any given time.
Everyone is scared to be themselves because anything that is slightly outside the Overton window and ‘cringe’ is posted to social media and you’re ridiculed. Politicians are weak, bought and sold. We’re living during the collapse of capitalism, we’re all so stretched financially. People are having fewer and fewer children.
Im 23 now. Growing up in the suburbs was fun at times. We knocked on each other’s doors, rode our bikes, played football at the community centre. Public school was a shithole. Authority figures are less respected because they command less respect, that’s your answer.
TL;DR
Authority figures are less respected because they command less respect.
monkeyhorse11@reddit
Go outside to play now and you get stabbed with a machete, drugged and you know what happened (Rotherham), or turned into kebab meat
Unhappy-Tomatillo204@reddit
Shocking. Person has kids and doesn’t understand why kids act like kids / act differently from their own generation *absolutely forgetting they in fact acted differently from the generation above, who acted differently from the generation above and repeat.
FewMagazine938@reddit
Because people have found out just how corrupt and evil some police are they have no respect for them. It's not only kids, adults have no respect for authority also. Why would you have respect for something that have no respect for you? And the blame goes to law enforcement, they have adopted an us vs them mentality for decades, and it has only gotten worse. If not for body cameras imagine the things they would get away with. Imagine the things they got away with before cameras.
Emperors-Peace@reddit
The police were far more corrupt in the 70's and 80's now than they are now and everybody knew about it then....
FewMagazine938@reddit
Apart from random beatings and false imprisonment lmao...like. 🤷 that's nothing 😂
Emperors-Peace@reddit
I'm referring to police in the 70's and 80's......
Relative-Thought-105@reddit
As ever, some kids are little shits and some kids are great.
A lot of them have terrible attention spans due to having an iPad in their face from birth, but equally I know kids who are always reading, playing football, running about.
They're probably less scared of teachers because we no longer beat children.
Royal_Let_9726@reddit
Your experience isn't universal. Your opinion is biased.
steelpraetor@reddit
We stopped hitting them would be my guess.
Nettinonuts@reddit
My parents never hit me, I was born in the 50s. Personally I blame ultra processed food and the privatisation of the commons.
steelpraetor@reddit
Not all kids are the same tbh.
Since it happened in one generation, the same generation that took a u turn on parenting (90s/early 00's)
Plus I kinda watched it happen TBF. The kids that became the worst adults from my generation were the children that were soft parented. All the kids that got a good hiding when they were naughty have grown up to be productive.
carefulcroc@reddit
I grew up in the 80s/90s. Not many teachers deserved my respect. I was just scared I'd get hit. I got blamed for things I hadn't done but I couldn't argue back. Lots of them were nasty to me over minor shit.
Same with my parents. I had a decent upbringing, but I couldn't answer back or stick up for myself when they were overreacting or blaming me for things I hadn't done.
I've got ADHD and so does my son. I don't want people hitting him. Luckily these days he gets extra support and understanding. I apologize and explain myself if I've been short with him or I've got things wrong. And I'm glad he can put his point across if I'm telling him off, even though it's annoying.
I was outside playing a lot, but I got up to some dodgy shit that I wouldn't want my son getting into. If there had been Netflix and Disney Plus, I would have absolutely loved it. I loved TV. Same with unlimited music. And then there's Video Games. I had a Master System and a Mega Drive, but the games got boring. If I'd had an Xbox and Gamepass, I would never have gone out.
Things have improved for kids shit loads in a lot of ways.
But then there's Social Media.... Some things have gotten worse.
Long-Performance-887@reddit
I saw this post by chance. I write from Turkey I am 27 and new generation became very fastly spoiled. When parents didn't buy what their want in the shop, they cries and even beat up their parents. European kids or Russians more calm. When I go outside I hear always crying kids. So I thing you are unfair for your kids.
stevedavies12@reddit
They're no different. You just got old
AngelofIceAndFire@reddit
OP, I hope this isn't buried-
As a UK teen, it's irreverence. It comes from parenting duties being outsourced to technology, where there are cool, irrelevant characters who we want to copy. And the authority these days isn't particularly harsh, so there's little fear of punishment.
BigBubbaBrown@reddit
Not enough kids are being told to “pack it in”.
HergestRidg@reddit
The past generations have effectively squandered their future. Capitalism has been allowed to progress so far that the super rich now control everything and hold all the assets. All public services are privatised apart from the stalwart NHS. Failure to address climate change means the beautiful natural world is being destroyed before our eyes, and puts the possibility of peaceful and abundant human existence itself in serious jeopardy.
Kids look at the past generations who allowed this to happen... Of course they have no respect for a society that is actively trashing the planet.
Also, we teach our kids to be kind, merciful, stick up for the meek etc.. And then when they get a bit older we tell them that is actually wrong and life is actually all about getting your own money and security above anyone/thing else.
All these things equal downward social mobility for those who are not super-rich. Economists and millenials know this, it's going to be increasingly harder for young people to not just work all the time for your rent and then not afford a house or anything else.
NrthnLd75@reddit
"Why are UK kids totally different today?"
If Reddit existed in the 60s, 70s and 80s, this would get posted every decade.
Substantial-Heat6846@reddit
True. I was constantly shouted at by my parents that I was polluting my mind by doing too much...reading. Like reading a book. It would bring me enormous joy to see one of my kids pick up a book these days.
keran22@reddit
Are you Matilda
Own_Art_2465@reddit
I've noticed it's common for certain types to get angry that other people read books. It's a bizarre phenomenon
ohmeohmyelliejean@reddit
Never mind the 60’s, if Reddit existed in the Roman Empire, this would be getting posted every decade.
jlangue@reddit
In a battle of the real vs the superficial, the superficial is winning.
On another note, I was in a country in the Balkans and the kids/teens seem respectful to adults and even the tourists. I think a certain level of financial freedom allows a level of privilege that is not healthy for society and may lead to a lack of empathy.
CreepyFlan627@reddit
As someone who grew up in the 90s/00s and spent a nice balance between being outdoorsy on bikes with my friends and time playing games or on MSN with friends at the time (sending annoying nudges to anyone else with MSN nostalgia) I'd say kids are pretty much the same today, some still enjoy having a kick around with mates, others enjoy gaming with mates, I also found growing up that access to the Internet alot also helped educate me on useful knowledge in my spare time as opposed to half the stuff I learnt in school at the time, my parents had more life experience of course, but as years went on I tended to find I had much more knowledge to help them with random things throughout the day and it added a nice balance.
Ready-Ambassador-271@reddit
When I was a kid everyone blamed TV for our bad behavior.
It just the generation game endlessly repeating itself.
Windbreaker83@reddit
I see in my friends kids that they introduced screens, take passive entertainment far far too early in the child's development to the point where anything is lame or requires more effort that staring at a screen and or staring at a controller.
I've got two kids 10 and 6 and yes they play on the switch together, they also love loads of other stuff that isn't switch related because they've grown to value other hobbies, activities and interests.
Legitimate-Ad7273@reddit
Ignore what you did as a kid. What do you do now?
turdschmoker@reddit
Why should they respect "authority"? A good thing that the notion of respecting a rozzer for their job choice is dying out with the coffin dodger generation 👍
Naelwoud@reddit
An unquestioning respect for authority can be a bad thing. It can leave children open to abuse and manipulation by unscrupulous adults.
Express_Farmer_4159@reddit
I can tell by reading this that you are a good dad
ChimpFingeredFreak@reddit
I was born in 72 and fully experienced the transition from analogue to digital.
I was addicted to tech growing up. Handheld games, VCRs, consoles but most of all, arcades. Incredible places. But i personally had little or no tech of my own, which is why arcades were such a big draw for me.
I was also well into fucking about outside with my pals. Usual stuff, building huts, lighting up gorse bushes, doing stuff that we definitely shouldn't have been...just being kids i suppose.
Kids these days have access to too much tech, too much content, too much interaction, too much information. And that creates an actual addiction, that needs fed constantly.
As for respect, kids these days aren't being brought up with enough fear. Everything is sanitised for them, everything is made easier than it should. Authority is there to be ignored and disrespected and with that comes a LOT of negative behaviour.
Ultimately it's the parents who are to blame. If they don't instill that sense of respect, what boundaries are and a sense of balance in their lives. Then the kids are hardly gonna do it themselves.
Bennjoon@reddit
They are so grown up it’s crazy, even my little toddler niece is like I’m talking to a grown woman sometimes 😭 My teenage niece looks like a movie star what happened to the awkward phase???
-Rhymenocerous-@reddit
Being born mid 80s part of a generation of kids that grew up without social media / smart phones / broadbamd but smoothly transitioned into it being oart of our everday life.
My parents hated me blasting out Warcraft / Starcraft on my PC all weekend long. I was no different to todays generation once I had access to it.
In terms of authority? Well we knew inheritly we would be in a colossal world of shit if you put your foot over the line to often. God forbid I ever answered my mum back. I'd have about 0.5 seconds to duck before the back of my dads hand found the side of my face. Kids these days know you cannot get away with it anymore, they know if they're considered a juvenile / minor they can run rampant and its pretty much a free pass with little consequence to them. Not understanding the consequences to their parents (possibly through not giving a shit)
Society has changed pretty drastically here in the west over the last 25yrs. Respect is demanded instead of earned from my experience with the youth of today (generally). Even at my job, almost all new starters aged 24 and under havent made it past probation in about 2 years. They're lazy, entitled, cluelss & soft.
I've had 3 sick days in the last year, the new starter I had with me recently within his 6 month probation had 14 sick days and dragged his heels almosy every day and went batshit whenever I asked him to pull his finger out. I'm currently having the same issue with his replacement.
Generationally we're spending longer and longer in the family home before flying the nest as the decades roll by. Is what youre saying about people not changing suddenly when they turn 18, well this is partially the reason why. They know they can keep sucking from the teet of their parents and remain secure, they dont have the very real possibility of losing everything if they have 2-3months with no income rolling in. So why bother changing / growing up? Dad or Mum will sort it a bit longer. I was tossed out at 16 as the 3rd eldest of 8 kids and the 1st to be kicked out. I had to change my tune pretty quickly to get by in this world and learn on the fly about the real world around me.
This will only descent further until it either reverts back to social attitudes changing or we become better people overall as a society and I don't see either happening any time soon.
RJMrgn2319@reddit
Old people have been moaning about the Problem With Kids These Days for basically all of human history. And everyone’s convinced theirs is the first generation to have experienced this feeling.
QuargRanger@reddit
There has been a noticeable uptick in my area of young people causing trouble with seemingly no consequences. Scaring people using e-bikes, spraying water on bystanders etc. The local subreddit is full of posts calling for punishment/asking why these young people face no consequences, as if cracking down hard on these kids is going to have any effect. No-one seems to be looking at causes, and to me, there is at least one very obvious one. There is nowhere for these young people to go and do constructive things.
Between 2010 and 2015, the funding for youth services was in effect completely gutted. The majority of those running youth clubs in local authorities on already meagre funding were forced to shut down, or be replaced by charitable organisations without the history/hierarchy needed to continue.
Kids used to both be able to go to these places, and have so many opportunities. To have fun and expend their energy in a controlled environment, to learn to communicate effectively with peers and authority figures, to pour their focus into a project, to take on some responsibility managing younger children, to generally partake in a community and become a more well rounded person. Not least, this also came with the kinds of consequences for kids who were poorly behaved - if all of your mates are meeting twice a week at the local youth centre, then a ban on attending has a real social impact on you.
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this almost hostile turn towards young people, it seems like people are often getting excited about them "crossing the wrong person one day" or wishing them harm/severe consequences. Perhaps it's because it's easier than thinking about solving the more systemic issues?
foundcolor@reddit
In some ways I am really suprised how little things have changed, kids seem to be into much the same things I was, fashion is even pretty similar. Not sure screen use is higher, we just watched more TV, now it's a mix of devices.
There is less freedom for a lot of middle class kids, but also see many kids roaming the streets (they type I wish were glued to screens)
TwoGroundbreaking770@reddit
Smart devices , dumb kids
TwoGroundbreaking770@reddit
I do want a return to corporeal punishment, you only have to use a smack once or twice and everything is fine you don't need it again. It's like training a dog. Kids now have no fear and that is bad not good
ckayd@reddit
Welcome to adulting
medic1971@reddit
Too many young lads without a decent male role model in their home/life.
Crypto_Malakos@reddit
Kids—and people in general—don’t respect the authorities any longer, because said authorities don’t give a damn about trying to understand them, instead of unnecessarily assuming and employing their power, for their own benefit.
Couple that with a significantly higher online-exposure to unhealthy content, economic instability and uncertainty, as well as things getting more expensive in general, and you have a perfect recipe for a generation which doesn’t care about social norms, or doing things as they were traditionally done.
And this is coming from someone who’s in his early twenties.
ChallengingKumquat@reddit
When I was a kid (1980s-90s) I spent a lot of my free time reading and watching TV.
I did play with friends outdoors a lot more than my kids do, but I think there's been a shift in attitudes towards kids playing outdoors without an adult. From the age of 7 or 8, I would walk round to friends' houses alone, and we'd go on bike rides alone, or play in the street, without any adults.
If that sort of thing happened today, people ( including myself) think it's dangerous and neglectful.
Parents today organise (infrequent) playdates for kids, rather than turfing the kids out of the house every day and telling them to come home when the street lamps turned on. Yes, we spent more time outdoors, but not necessarily because we wanted to, but because it was normal and fine for parents to tell their kids to "go outside and play" without monitoring them. If parents today want to monitor their kids, then it's no wonder the kids stay indoors more, since that's where parents usually are.
As for them being disrespectful- that's just what every generation thinks of kids and teens younger than them.
AdhesivenessNo6288@reddit
There were loads of kids disrespecting authority when you were young, just like there are loads of kids respecting authority now. There were loads of kids grumping around on holiday reading comics or something, just like there are loads of kids leaping in the ocean now. The issue was never and can never be the kids, it will always be the parenting.
DecMateee@reddit
That's because we live in a psy-op society. The family unit (perhaps not yours) has been it's primary target, masculine imperative has been completely driven out, and children barely have any role models (IRL or media) anymore. Think of the media you used to consume as a kid, now what garbage do they see and are exposed too constantly? LGBTQ+ nonsense? Feelings are very important, do not offend others? I remember I grew up watching my wife and kids, a ton of programs with a stable, 'normal' household with morality and a lesson within them. It's so sad. And COVID,.. yeah that probably stunted things further and cemented the addiction to technology more firmly in the minds of the next generation.
MultiMidden@reddit
LGBTQ+ nonsense...
Maybe you're from the US of A or similarly unpleasant country, so I'll explain.
The first gay kiss on UK TV was back in 1970 (Sir Ian McKellen no less), there were gay kisses on primetime soaps in the 1980s.
Pretty much every child would have seen a panto where a man would play a female character and a woman would play a male character, there were men dressing up as women on primetime shows for decades. Yet some unhinged individuals today make-up stories about the dangers of having drag queen telling children stories.
DecMateee@reddit
And also you get people like this who miss the point completely. Of course there were drag queens and we knew of them. But we didn't have it shoved down our throat to accept it at every turning point of society. We didn't have every show needing to include some gay shit just to make a point of how accepting things were. And if you think shit like this: https://youtu.be/xNOBlyvaPKo?si=ebHPOlagqJ3xk8s- Is normal, then you sir are psy-oped and cannot be helped.
MultiMidden@reddit
Shoved down out throats today?
If you went to the theatre in Shakespeare's time men would be playing the women's roles.
You'd probably lose you mind if Are You Being Served? was remade. A primetime TV show in the 70s and 80s (ran for about 15 years) with Mr Humphries who was strongly implied to be gay (John Inman who played him was in fact gay). Mr Humphries would almost certainly have made a witty comment about things being shoved down throats
Probably the most drag queen was Danny La Rue OBE who was a star of stage and screen in the 60/70/80s.
Expanding drag to cross-dressing then let us not forget those that were on TV in the 60/70/80/90s The Two Ronnies, Monty Python, Benny Hill, Les Dawson, Roy Barraclough, Barry Humphries, Steve Coogan, Paul O'Grady...
Psy-oped, ever heard of the term 'projection'?
DecMateee@reddit
Do you actually live in 2025. How have you never come across woke culture completely eroding every orifice of society. Almost every company, every game, every program has some element of woke nonsense purposefully curated into it. Years ago this wasn't the case. Gay was gay and the sake of gay. There was no ulterior motive behind. Go and research ESG scores for companies.
richinthailand@reddit
The internet has caused it and the laws which say you can barely shout at the kids these days, God forbid smack the arse.
I think anybody should seriously consider wanting kids these days because it's miserable and just cost you headache and pound not(and a lot of both?
1000_needleZ@reddit
Have you seen that latest Robinsons orange squash ad ? lol
heppyheppykat@reddit
There is a difference between harsh disciplinary parents (who cause trauma, rebellious behaviour and lying in their children) and parents who are emotionally present and kind. The trouble is not parents being nice to children, it is parents giving their children tech. We know why we do it, pester power and it also makes parenting easier. Much harder to focus on work, or get any leisure time if you have to give your children your undivided attention. Kids are told they can’t use iPads, yet their parents will be on their smartphones. I see it all the time. Model the behaviour you want to see in children. People seem to think generational behaviour comes out of nowhere. It doesn’t.
papafloof@reddit
A large thing is that kids being on technology doesn't mean they're not being social.
People's friends they hung out with used to be entirely decided by who just so happened to be of a similar age and living within a close proximity. If your town had three other kids in your age range, that was your limited pool of peers to go 'be social with'. If you had nothing in common with them or just didn't like them, you were stuck and forced to interact with them anyway.
Now people can have access to the entire world. I've spent the last 15 years gaining more friends that I actually enjoy and have connections with across the world than I gained in the 15 years before that when I wasn't connected to online spaces. I have one friend i talk to that I knew from that before period and even them I only talk to occasional, weekly at best if not monthly. But the people I have met online I generally speak to every single day, constantly. In the time it's take to write this post I've answered half a dozen messages and made plans to hang out online later.
Being on a device doesn't mean you're not socialising actively.
Add onto that the fact that there is a growing lack of public social spaces for teenagers to just 'hang out'. If they spend too long somewhere they're 'loitering' and seen as delinquent so they get runoff. Arcades are basically not a thing anymore because home consoles killed them. Parks are either geared towards parents with young children, cost money to go to, or are places parents warn their kids away from because 'That's where the creepy guys are that will abduct you'.
This has led to a growing retreat into digital hangout spots instead of physical ones. Things like discord allow people to gather in groups of like minded people to talk and spend time together. Spaces like VRC allow people to put faces, even if they are just digital avatars, to names. People actively spend their time doing activities they enjoy together.
This is why kids these days seem different to when we were younger. The world has changed and become MORE social, it's just harder to see because it's on a screen and not loitering around the estate.
walterwhiteeffect@reddit
Phones are addictive, social media has given children cheap dopamine boosts, music and tv shifts culture and at the moment it largely glamorises violence and drugs, poverty is at an all time high and children are being groomed into county lines or gangs and there is an alarmingly high volume of children from foreign cultures arriving in our country who cannot or do not assimilate.
Mysterious-Strain553@reddit
They stopped burning the queer books that’s what. Ask Bryce Mitchell!!!
HappyAccountant6479@reddit
Hi there,
I’m 23, and while I do agree with parts of your post, I think there are some other angles worth considering that might help explain why kids today seem so different.
From my own experience, I do think a lot of it comes down to what’s instilled at home. I was raised to fear my mum’s tone alone — she didn’t need to shout. I think some parents today are afraid of being strict, or maybe they don’t want to be “scary.” But boundaries matter. iPad culture is wild now — kids know how to search things before they even understand the words. And honestly, if you’re dressing your 8-year-old in a Nike Tech fleece and letting them run around in a balaclava, but expecting them to act like a model citizen, the priorities are off. A lot of kids are being shaped more by online trends than real-world discipline.
I’m not saying things were perfect back then or that kids today are worse — but they are different. They’re growing up in a world with different pressures, different opportunities, and in some cases, less support. And values don’t just magically appear when someone turns 18 — they’re developed over time, starting at home.
Flimsy-Possible4884@reddit
Your kids have grown up in the Information Age.. they can’t live in ignorant bliss like you did because they have weight of the world at their fingertips… you mentioned respect for the police or teachers but social media is full of police abusing powers and teachers acting inappropriately… they can’t just kick a ball around because to not participate in the trends there peers are doing is social suicide and they can be reminded of that 24/7….
Tanto207064@reddit
Things have moved on. Kids have everything at their fingertips and we didn’t (I’m around same age as you as I was 80s/90s) not that having everything is a bad thing but they don’t want for anything, have to wait for anything. Some things are cheaper and easier to replace, more choice on what to do with their time. it has to have a psychological implication. Not all kids don’t care for authority though
SadPomegranate1020@reddit
I was saying this the other day.
When was a kid, if my parents had takeaway, it was a massive treat and you had whatever they decided and accepted it. You didn’t get to choose Indian or Chinese, it was always the chip shop and it was great.
I don’t have kids but had exes who did, and on weekends we had them, they kept demanding certain takeaways and when I said no, they would throw massive tantrums. I was fed up of Indian AND it’s expensive so I’d rather have another type. I wouldn’t have dared answered my parents back, I was horrified at their attitudes.
Also at Christmas I bought them (8 and 10yr old girls) presents and I got “is that ALL you’ve got us?” What on earth?? My ex who was their dad didn’t say a word - so I’m going to chalk most of it down to shocking parenting - he told me never to say no to them as it would cause them to kick off and ruin the weekend.
Also - am also an 80s child and said the other day how I vividly remember watching the news as an 7/8 year old and seeing Zeebrugge, Hillsborough, Kings Cross fire, Piper Alpha etc and it’s a core childhood memory. However children now would hardly watch the news at that age as they have iPads and TVs in their rooms, so don’t watch what their parents are watching.
mummavixen@reddit
I’m a face painter so I spend many many hours with children of all ages, up to teenagers and I am also a parent, and I have to disagree. The vast majority of the hundreds of children I see at events, parties, schools, at public and private events are really lovely, sweet kids. I’m actually astounded at how polite most of them are and it’s very rare that I meet some real shits. To be honest the people I have most problems with are the parents!! I get to listen to their thoughts, I ask them what they have on their Xmas lists, what they are doing in the holidays - I see how they interact with their peers, parents and siblings and I witness how they cope in looooong queues - I feel like I get a real glimpse and I have to say the kids are alright. (The caveat is that I’m based in Suffolk, and I reckon lots of the kids I see have more than the average time outside as it’s rural)
Bearded_Viking_Lord@reddit
My son got a shitty start by the time I got custody I tried to teach him respect and that every action has a consequence, if he's naughty I take his phone away for an amount of time fitting the level of his behaviour or attitude. Then people act like I've got him living in Guantanamo Bay saying its cruel,im sorry when I was younger I was smacked and grounded regularly for being a little shit and it taught me to never do it again. Kids now are sociopaths they care about nothing but themselves and there needs. Very selfish world we live in
_Intricate_@reddit
They're surrounded by new children with different cultural upbringings along with social media that is pollutes with the same stuff.
You also have TV that is now very different from us growing up in the 90s or early 2000s. The TV culture is very different now also along with the movies and TV shows they portray and it causes this new generation to act a certain way.
netwalker234@reddit
Interesting how its become settled practice to refer to young humans with the same word for baby goats.
Any-Economist8466@reddit
Unplug your router so they don’t have any internet access, they will soon want to go to go to there mates or something
J-F-D-I@reddit
Pretty sure every generation feels the other generations are getting it wrong.
Think the likelihood is they’re getting it more right than we realise, and we’re all just stuck in our own way of thinking.
They are obviously going to be completely different thanks to difference in culture, tech, progress of world influences etc etc.
Your negative views of response to authority are prob just focusing on the negative aspects as they affect you most, which could be said about any generation. I wouldn’t say those traits are inherent across as much of that generation as it appears.
Same way millenials are different to gen X, different to boomers etc.
dreadwitch@reddit
The children's rights act! That has taught kids that they don't have to fear physical violence from authority, that people in authority can't do anything anymore and if they lay a finger on them they know they can get the sacked and sue the school.
But I'm a grandparent and my kids were worse than my generation, my mum says I was worse than her generation lol my friend grandma said the same to my mum. Every generation thinks the youth is worse than they were... All of them.
But you can still have good respectful kids if you raise them properly and don't allow them to be feral.
Dizz-ie10@reddit
Millennial parents who don’t give a shit about how they bring up their kids
Mrs_B-@reddit
Aside from the obvious technology changes, I think the indifference to authority and others comes from the messaging they get. They have been brought up in a world that constantly attempts to boost their self esteem by telling them how special and important they are. How their views are valued and they can achieve whatever they want. They are told not to listen to the voices that tell them otherwise.
As an 80's kid and 90's teenager I can tell you that never happened to us! We were told to shut up, get a job and get on with it. Oh, and recycle and don't use CFC gas or we will all be dead in 20 years.
I hope there's a generation in between that is a balance between the two.
Simplyfabulous29@reddit
I don’t think it is that kids have changed it is that the things they enjoy are different. You say of you didn’t have a ball at your feet it was a waste. So ask yourself if your parents had taken your ball off you would you have sulked? With regards to respect to others is that they are just pushing boundaries which you yourself did as you said if you put a toe over the line. With access to more views via the internet perhaps they get access to others views before their own are fully formed, perhaps they push boundaries harder as they see others don’t have the same as those. But ultimately kids throughout the ages have sulked if they are not allowed to do what they want, they have sulked if made to do things they don’t want to and push boundaries.
Ok_Sand_7902@reddit
Parents always think they are the only one influencing a child’s view of the world, but other kids, experiences at school or just watching certain television programs will influence how your child perceives the world…..
Young adults don’t like the word no and have problems with authority…. Unfortunately this is the way of the world…. Think it will get worse before it will get any better …..
harrispie@reddit
Bro a stick and ball will never beat video games. It’s time for VR time with the family
Myorangecrush77@reddit
Parents don’t parent anymore.
I have a 16 year old. We have basic expectations of be back at this time. If plans change. Inform us. If you’re going to be drinking, let us know.
Her friends have no curfew; no expectations, no rules at all. They come and go as they please with no consequences.
They get no parenting at home; so don’t respect adults.
Total_Oil_3719@reddit
I think, in the West, we've seen a breakdown of the "social contract". Used to be, if you behaved mostly, your family would love and support you, you'd get an OK job, some medical care, retirement, your own house. That just doesn't exist now, for the vast majority of people, and they know it, deep down.
Why not fry your dopamine receptors? Why not enjoy your lazy comforts, while you can? The future, for them, looks even bleaker than the nightmare that Millennials are walking into. Those parents are probably absolutely fried and brain-dead. The support networks are gone, the Boomers are out to lunch, Gen X is just kind of spinning around clueless.
I don't blame the kids for thinking that they don't have a happy future ahead of them. They don't.
Ok-Train5382@reddit
The social contract has nothing to do with how you treat your family.
This idea that the world’s so hard now is honestly self defeating. Our grandparents and parents grew up during the Cold War where they genuinely felt at risk of nuclear war. They managed to keep going without becoming a bunch of useless cunts.
Fundamentally the world is what you make of it. If you think you have no future, you behave as if you have no future and, lo and behold, you end up having a shit future. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
Total_Oil_3719@reddit
They had hope. They had an enemy. They had national identies. Something to live for, that was fundamentally greater than themselves. Gen Z doesn't have that. Neither does Gen Alpha. There's no culture, their family probably has no future, their community doesn't exist. Their prospects don't exist. They'll have zero security, moving forward. They were failed.
If our children are flawed, it's us, and our society, that are to blame. Not them.
TheHalfwayBeast@reddit
Why do we need an enemy and national identity? Or a genetic future? That's a very odd thing to say.
Total_Oil_3719@reddit
It's viewing the human as a natural animal, that wants to have a family, a den, safety. Wider social identity is mostly icing on the cake. You deny a creature their biological impulses, and they tend to malfunction.
TheHalfwayBeast@reddit
I probably worded my original comment badly, but I was trying to get you to expand on your point so I could see what your angle was. Because the whole 'national identity' and 'genetic future' parts were setting off alarm bells in my head, but I didn't want to make assumptions based off a passing remark.
I never said humans 'shouldn't be allowed' to have children or whatever you think I said. I think people should be free to have as many children as they please - or none whatsoever.
(Most animals don't care for their children long-term, by the way, and most male animals don't care for their offspring at all. Animals mate because of instincts and have no sense of family or future beyond living another day. No squirrel sits down and starts an acorn collection for its grandkits.)
I think that uniting people with hate is inheritely self-destructive - it's unhealthy to be angry and hateful all the time - and always ends badly. It's also a bit fashy, if I'm honest. I prefer to motivate people through a sense of love and goodwill towards our fellow human, not hate for the Other. To help each other up, not bring some enemy down.
And what happens when we defeat this enemy? Who do we fight next? Each other? Robots? The heretic, the witch, the mutant, and the xenos?
Total_Oil_3719@reddit
Fighting robots and heretics would be pretty cool, not going to lie. If there are aliens we should probably just blast them for the "cool" factor. Anyway, the point is, unifying crux.
Total_Oil_3719@reddit
I love how you just defended the corporations and then instantly died when someone pushed back against your moralistic bullshit.
TheHalfwayBeast@reddit
Eh? When was I 'defending corperations'? And I didn't die. I was busy doing things that weren't Reddit, like chores and hobbies.
Total_Oil_3719@reddit
Attacking me for saying that people generally like to produce offspring. Generally. I don't see how that's even remotely problematic.
TheHalfwayBeast@reddit
That doesn't explain how I was 'defending corperations'. Or attacking you. I just said that was an odd thing to say. That's not an attack.
Ok-Train5382@reddit
Given the sheer number of their parents that own homes, yes I think at some point they’ll get on the housing ladder.
If they do well in their careers they’ll do it themselves. If not, they’ll probably have help from mum and dad or their parents die and they inherit.
So I do think the majority, at least 51%, will be able to get on the housing ladder.
I think you’re very pessimistic about the future and it comes across as a bit depressed
SwimmingTheme3736@reddit
Ya we do, some don’t, some didn’t back then
Myorangecrush77@reddit
Way more don’t anymore though.
SwimmingTheme3736@reddit
I disagree, more parents are helicoptering than ever before.
Myorangecrush77@reddit
Some are, the ones who care (too much?)
Spend any time in a school and you’ll see the ones who don’t
SwimmingTheme3736@reddit
There will always be ones that don’t, there was when I was growing up.
I spend a lot of time at a school, and 99% of the kids are great, the parents are very involved
HangryScotsman@reddit
Is this current generation that bad or are we just more aware of it due to the internet and cameras being everywhere?
I turned 40 earlier this year and I can safely say that I got in to my share of trouble as a kid, nothing too serious thankfully. But the cliff notes version, I broke a caravan window once being a twat throwing some stones (my parents worked something out with the owner that didn't involve calling the police thankfully though I was grounded for ages with no pocket money either for a while after) I climbed on the roof of the school and jumped off (how I didn't get seriously hurt doing this is a minor miracle) we also cobbled together some money and got plastered in parks enough times on cheap cider. I also used to sneak into half finished building sites late at night a lot. So yeah I got into my share of trouble as I imagine a lot of people of similar age did.
Regarding punishing bad behaviour I hate this argument and the position that it "never did me any harm" with regards to hitting kids, parenting or administering discipline with violence or the threat of it is unacceptable.
For my part, I try to be a positive example and I try not fall into the classic "Do as I say not what I do" double standard when interacting with my son. A lot of what we think of as bad behaviour is stuff that kids learn from adults, so absolving ourselves of blame and jut saying "this current generation is the worst yet" (which older ones said about people of my age back when I was young, some of them still have a chip on their shoulder about my generation now) isn't the answer.
Social media and phone addiction though is a big problem, it's turning their attention spans to shit and is impacting their learning. I know I use it myself too much, though thankfully, I can still turn back the clock mentally to what it was like when practically no one had phones and just put it away for the day. For the younger ones though that's so much harder, some of them have been using smartphones since they were babies and they need that dopamine hit constantly.
The other concern I have is vaping, it's so common amongst their generation, my son is 20 and he tells me about some of his friends who vape and they weren't even smokers before this. Anecdotally it is super common amongst high school age kids from what I have noticed.
Cheap-Rate-8996@reddit
One way of looking at it is that if vapes didn't exist, they likely would have started smoking. I consider that a win
HangryScotsman@reddit
True but it would be much better if they took up neither of those. We still don’t really know what’s in vapes as well as they are almost entirely unregulated.
beatnikstrictr@reddit
Boring. It's always been the same.
TechnoWellieBobs@reddit
Tough times create tough people, tough people create easier times, easier times create weak people, weak people create tough times, and so the cycle repeats.
This is true for the entirely of human civilisation - however technology and the pace of change the last few decades has exasperated it.
Delicious_Device_87@reddit
It's a different world. But also don't forget your kids literally mimic you, over time and certainly thru development
Fuzzy_Bumblee_777@reddit
Everything is different to how it was 30-40 years ago. People are going to be different too.
SparT-cus@reddit
Read The Abolition of Britain. It will explain everything.
Other_Literature_594@reddit
When I was your age, television was called books!
Kimbob1234@reddit
I know, right?! I was a grown-up teenager. I didn't go out, causing hoohaas, drinking, smoking, etc. I stayed in (maybe going to a friend's house in the next road), and that suited me. I had manners & and politeness, which I passed on to my daughter (which I had also at age 35!). Some teenagers are just stunningly badly behaved and seem to have no respect for authority, boundaries, even laws! Either they just don't care or they weren't taught things by their families.
AlarmingConcentrate5@reddit
Parents got lazy and un-disciplined through generations, would rather shove a kid Infront of an iPad then teach them anything
KolectVood@reddit
I'm 21, I have a few younger siblings ranging from 14-3 years old.
Firstly, game consoles are social and build a lot more communication skills than you'd think. I spent my childhood stuck on the game. It didn't hinder my social abilities, much rather it's boosted them vastly. Likewise with those I used to play with.
I think you are comparing your generation to the current, which will always seem different, even if it is the exact same.
While I am sure you are an amazing, loving parent, I have seen this way too often were parents try to mould their kid to have the same values and goals as themselves. This isn't going to work.. Stop forcing "Boomer Propganda" down their necks and learn more about their generation instead of comparing them to you.
CaptainHope93@reddit
Honestly? You just don’t remember all the times you acted like a moody brat when you were younger - we forget what life was actually like. It’s the same for everyone, people have been saying the same shit about young people since the dawn of time.
Wise_Look_777@reddit
I think it’s just different parenting styles tbh. Kids like you exist these days and kids of today existed back then too even if you didn’t see any
KeyLog256@reddit
I would suggest a lot of it is rose tinted glasses - every generation says this. There's a famous quotation from Ancient Greece that reads exactly like a "Kid these days!" Facebook post.
I suppose technology must make some difference, but I'd argue whether that's a bad difference or a good difference depends on parenting. Pretty much everything I do in my work/career, all my hobbies, are stuff I've learned thanks to the internet.
I'm about your age but actually wish I was either 10 years younger or we'd had Youtube/TikTok/Reddit ten or so years before we did so I was ahead of the game.
I knew kids in the 90s who never went out and just played computer games. Some mates from where I used to live couldn't go out, because it was a dangerously rough part of Liverpool, an area that was way worse back then than it is now.
On the flip-side, I moved to a rural area for a while and me and my mates around there had more freedom and were "playing out" more than 99% of kids in the country I'd warrant, and that was simply due to our location and circumstances, would be no different then, now, or in the 1950s.
dl064@reddit
If anything, most adults I speak to about their schooling and childhood in say the 60/70s, speak of absolute horror.
Consistent-Client401@reddit
Even 80's, people seem to forget in this discussion that a lot of kids went missing or died back in those days too, the shit they did in fact DID lead to people getting hurt, that's why people don't do it now
KeyLog256@reddit
Indeed, we like to make out it was all lovely and amazing, kids could play outside until all hours, you could leave your doors unlocked, etc. There was never any trouble, kids could be free and not in danger.
I like to ask if the names Ian Brady and Myra Hindley ring any bells.
Goose-rider3000@reddit
The difference is, in the 50’s, the kids in Liverpool would have been out and about too. Also, the rural kids would have been roaming from town to town.
KeyLog256@reddit
My mum and dad were both kids in Liverpool in the 50s/60s and weren't "out and about" even then.
superjambi@reddit
Read any of the research or listen to any podcast on how tech companies like meta and TikTok and Snapchat design their apps to be as addictive as possible. There’s your answer
Old_Administration51@reddit
TikTok is the most insidious shit ever. You ever wonder where these ridiculous 'trends' come from which kids then copy ad infinitum that are both dangerous and degenerate?
Yeah...
Consistent-Client401@reddit
Those trends aren't a thing though, the media misleads kids just as much as leads adults. Those "kid dies doing a new tiktok trend" is all bullshit. How can anyone expect to teach kids when any source of information telling them about stuff like social media lies just as much as anything else.
euanjallison@reddit
If you can’t command respect you are better to look inwards, kids are brutal and without filter. This is coming from someone that spent his entire time in school being hated by most teachers apart from a few.
The teachers / elders that commanded respect seemingly effortlessly treated kids not as ‘naughty wee shites’ but as peers in a journey together. This stuff has some theoretical backing too, known as ‘Social Pedigogy’ or something similar.
Your much more willing to listen to a peer about why how your behaving / how your treating others is not appropriate than to be told from top down.
Also kids essentially will always rebel whatever there is to be rebelled against. Just roll with them, the more adults get triggered by kids rebellions the more they want to do it.
Alternatively talk to your elders about what school was like for them, atleast in my case I can’t believe some of the stories I hear. Sounded NUTS
thebusconductorhines@reddit
Old man yells at cloud
KEANUWEAPONIZED@reddit
you said your kids still when technology is taken away... you're literally part of the problem lol
SnooMemesjellies1828@reddit
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Nigelthornfruit@reddit
Covid and mobile phones.
Fantastic_Back3191@reddit
They are all over-stimulated. Very bad for brain development.
Adrian69702016@reddit
Things have changed to the extent that children grow up surrounded by technology nowadays. As an old man I often wish there was a six year old around to sort things out when my tech doesn't work as intended!
In terms of behaviour, I do have some first hand experience of the world of education, and have seen some of the challenges first hand. I think the problem is that parents are afraid of setting boundaries and, to an extent, that's true of teachers who have to work within so many constraints. However the reality is that children thrive when they've got boundaries and structure.
I think it would be a wise man or woman, certainly someone wiser than me, who proposed a workable solution to these problems.
Healthy_Ad69@reddit
Influx of new cultures that glorify thug behavior.
DiaryofAConfused27yo@reddit
I’ll comment on the respect for the police. We’ve seen multiple reports which have said that the police are institutionally racist and misogynistic. A few years ago we had the unfortunate Sarah Everard case. I think there is a general distrust of the police amongst women, young people and BAME minorities because of what they’ve either experienced first hand or heard about through friends. Because of social media, this gains a lot more attention as if mainstream media doesn’t report something, people can campaign online and then we often see it on the news a little while later. Everyone has a phone in their hand so more things are caught on camera.
punisher3738@reddit
This sentiment has been found recorded in Latin and I think also Ancient Greek. People have always thought that “kids today” were uniquely awful.
For what’s it’s worth, your children’s generation on average is less likely to do illegal drugs than your generation and less likely to drink underage. The general trend has also been towards falling rates of offending over time, although I’m not sure we have reliable data for your children’s generation.
If I recall correctly, everyone thought your cohort were either raving 8 days a week on MDMA, or a swarm of glue sniffing thugs racing stolen cars all day. Society seems to have survived.
Scammyb4ggers042@reddit
I'm a late 90s kid, early Gen Z... and I was not an outdoorsman as a kid. I preferred spending time on my PS2 and Xbox... my mum liked going hiking and she did somewhat get me into it when I got a bit older, but dragging along a 6-11yo with no motivation to walk for sake of it wasn't fun. I
To be honest this is more the erosion of society in general. The social contract has been broken by the last 20 years of government, public services have been cut so social and policing have been less effective, we've seen corruption and politicking at the expense of the country's overall welfare.
How I reckon things are- if the people at the top make it so transparent they don't give a sh1t, why should the people at the coalface of the society?
This is a generational thing to some extent, every generation will bemoan the difference and lack of discipline in the generations that came after them. I was constantly reminded of how my parents got their arses smacked, and grandparents even worse, and how lucky I was things were different. .
They've got time to grow up, we all had that phase. Some of us had it easier than others, but we all go through a phase of sorting our stuff out.
happybakingface@reddit
Regarding respect, there's been enough bad apples in "respected" professions that I think it's reasonable they don't get respect by default any more.
Personally, I don't want my kids to have to kowtow to someone just because of their day job. That doesn't mean disrespecting, it just means anything over being civil needs to be earned.
Digitalanalogue_@reddit
The issue is lack of consequences, everyone filming everyone and two salaries required to raise a child meaning less time with kids.
raskalUbend@reddit
StatementStrange3023@reddit
The Jeremy Kyle generation of kids having kids is responsible. We are only just bearing the fruits.
racks_long@reddit
Don’t really agree. If anything I think Gens Z and A are way smarter than Millenials and Gen X.
TheeBigBadDog@reddit
I think every generation thinks that about this about the next. The kids aren't different, the times, the tech, the politics, the social norms are what's changed. The kids just live in the world the last generation shaped for them.
Amanensia@reddit
O tempora, O mores!
But yes. As a father in a similar place to you (had my two in my late thirties) I do very much empathise. Mine are now 16 and 14 though and are turning into really genuinely lovely young ladies; this is not the case with a lot of their peers!
I wish I could take some credit for that but honestly, I think an awful lot is down to luck.
mysp2m2cc0unt@reddit
"O tempora, o mores" is a Latin phrase, literally translating to "Oh, the times! Oh, the customs!". It was famously used by the Roman orator Cicero, and is an exclamation expressing despair or concern about the prevailing social or political norms. It's used to criticize the degradation of manners and morals. "
For my fellow unread thickos
Succotash-suffer@reddit
Damn, I thought I meant ”more tempora prawns”
BiteSizeRhi@reddit
Thank you kind friend
gogybo@reddit
Calm down there Cicero
netzure@reddit
"I wish I could take some credit for that but honestly"
You should give yourself some credit. My two sisters in law both have children, the difference in parenting approaches and subsequently the children is night and day.
nehnehhaidou@reddit
Blimey, you sound like my dad. I'm in my mid 40s btw.
I think you need to read a book or two about psychological development of children and young adults, brain development of the prefrontal cortex isn't complete until the mid 20s, the brain itself continues to mature and develop over time. Kids have always been like this, even back into the 80s/90s.
Some kids want to be social and go out with their friends, other kids want to stay home with their video games. Don't try to decide which type your kids are for them, that is not your job as a parent.
skwelb@reddit
Think that’s just your kids who prefer technology, people haven’t evolved in the last 30 years some kids like spending time indoors and some kids like playing outside. As for respecting police officers, they definitely aren’t as present on the street, i can’t remember the last time i saw an officer on the beat and tbh i don’t think the police deserve respect at the minute
Wong-Scot@reddit
Just wanted to chime in.
I do see these "issues" with kids being called lazy and useless, all the usual tropes.
But kids are kids, and when I was young my social circle did what we found acceptable. Be it kicking a ball or biking down the trails and staying inside on the SNES or megadrive.
But my mother, who was a country bumkin hated this, and would rather I go climb a tree in the winter rain...
The point I wanted to add, is that overall we are letting down the kids and the generations after us.
Be it the GenZ or GenX that I work with, or the kids in my neighbourhood. But when you reach them and talk to them, the commonality is that the trust and respect of authority or elders is much weaker.
This stems from the political agendas and fall-out, to also do with the social support and community.
I believe introspection and reflection is required on a generational level and these kids deserve us to do so.
Hot-Whereas9535@reddit
You’re definitely just repeating the same things that generations before you have said but with little alterations 😂
MaximumTiny2274@reddit
I'm 52 and although I did spend a lot of time roaming the streets as a kid, I spent just as much time on my zx spectrum or c64.
I would get pretty pissed off my mum took my computer away for sure.
As for why don't kids respect authority as much. I would rather kids to question authority rather than blindly respect it.
Let's face it, why should they automatically respect authority? Government's and businesses are corrupt as they come and are destroying our kids' futures every day.
Fuck authority basically.
rpgtoons@reddit
It's because "old people" and the establishment (government, police) have created a world that feels incredibly hostile to young people (I'm 39).
Schools are underfunded and focused only on training for good grades, not at all supporting individual kids and their interests. Government apathy towards climate change and genocide, even in the so called left, makes it feel like their government doesn't care about the future. Housing and economic crisisis mean they won't be able to buy a house or have a job that affords leisure time.
And thanks to social media, they're not only aware all of this is happening, they're being constantly being confronted with it.
Why should they respect authority or care about their futures when said authority is actively making it impossible for them to have a future?
AstraofCaerbannog@reddit
The thing I tend to notice from public spaces is that parents are more distracted and spend less time actually parenting. When I was a child if I were in public I was expected to behave appropriately to the venue, I was told to be conscious of other customers and the staff, and if I didn’t behave we’d go home (or the threat of home would be communicated). Back then home wasn’t that exciting. Going out was a treat. Nowadays when parents bring their kids out, they’re often left to “be kids” even in spaces I’d consider “adult oriented” like restaurants, cinemas and pubs. Making loud noise, even running around freely in restaurants etc without being checked by the parents, or parents just watching indulgently. While as a child this behaviour would only be allowed in play areas and outdoor kid focused spaces. People tend to go out more to these venues nowadays, and at home kids have high stimulation toys and gadgets. So maybe there’s less incentive for kids to behave. Or maybe parents are too keen to be “out” in adult spaces to cut an outing short due to disruptive children.
I suspect back in the day physical punishment could create the illusion of well behaved kids, even though we now know that it actually worsens behaviour long term. I think there have always been badly behaved kids though. We just saw them less. Though many parents today may not be utilising more effective (though time consuming) punishments, like the naughty step. Or simply just calling an end to a fun event when children don’t behave.
Technology is an issue, with both children and parents doom scrolling. We’re actually seeing reductions in language ability in children because they’re hearing their parents talking less.
bockclocker3000@reddit
Sounds like you're projecting your niche, personal experience to the rest of society
Flimsy-Restaurant902@reddit
Granted I didnt grow up in this country but I do find youths between the ages of like 12 and 17 absolutely feral a lot of the time.
ClubFine6165@reddit
They seem pretty much the same as they did yesterday.
OGWayOfThePanda@reddit
Your post amounts to: kids are less scared of adults and have different interests, should we bring back corporal punishment?
What exactly is the harm that you are worried about, because I can't see it?
Careful_Adeptness799@reddit
Some kids are still happily playing football, climbing trees, riding their bikes but you don’t see these on TikTok or YouTube getting arrested.
Eddytheone@reddit
When parents use a tablet / phone for a substitute for parenting.
You see this all the time in restaurants that instead of giving their child attention or teaching them the importance of manners and sitting nicely they are just glued to an iPad.
This in itself is a reduction in a much needed adult / child relationship. You also have a two fold problem and that’s the rate at which children are fed stimuli.
The sheer pace of video content and the bombardment of audio / visual stimulation for children is alarming. Unfortunately you see this in all media now; quick camera changes, swiping through 5 second video clips etc. In my opinion it’s too much for adults and especially for children and developing brains.
You see it in cinema too, my first realisation of this was when I tried watching Quantum of Solace or Transformers, the sheer amount of camera changes was obnoxious. There doesn’t seem to be a place for slow establishing shots or letting a plot unfold naturally and has this artificial taste of driving a plot forward with your foot firmly on the gas pedal.
So what are we left with? Children and young adults that simply cannot cope in life when that bombardment of information isn’t present. People don’t know how to cope with a slower pace of life and its impacts are being noticed in a lot of places in daily life.
Jin-shei@reddit
70s kid here, and we had that behaviour in our gen. I was raised in a village with parents who taught us that stuff too but kids are forever kids. Take the rose tinted glasses off. As the parent of a 90s kid, I had to force her to out her book down and go outside (where she sat and dead a different one).
filavitae@reddit
Just wanted to say, I find the notion of being a "late dad at 35" to be a bit out-of-date
DookuDonuts@reddit
Late Dad at 35 has scared me (M32). What age range is generally considered late?
ceylon-tea@reddit
No way 35 is a late dad
EnvironmentOk5709@reddit
Yeah I'm 36 and reading that was like a knife in the gut
cptironside@reddit
I (M35) read this and had the same thought exactly.
I don't even feel old enough to have kids of my own, and that says I'm "late". Wtf.
continentaldreams@reddit
35 is certainly not late by todays standards. Average age of first child is now 33 years old for men
DookuDonuts@reddit
Thanks for the stats
rileyvace@reddit
I'm 39 this year and haven't had kids yet. My mum and dad had me at 40, but I feel a pang of regret and sadness, as my dad passed at 68. I didn't get nearly enough time with him. I have hypertension already. I want to see my kids grow up.
DookuDonuts@reddit
Sorry to for your loss. Meanwhile, I commend you for focusing on your health so you can be the best version of yourself when fatherhood starts. You're also right about going at your own pace
samueIlll@reddit
The ONS says that the average age for fathers when they have their first child is 33.8 years old, in 2023.
battleshipcarrotcake@reddit
The intentional destruction of social cohesion since Thatcher, if you allow my outsider opinion.
Darkerscr@reddit
I got my fucking shit rocked with a slipper. That's why.
I feared my dad. He's a nice man. I love him but motherfucker was like Chuck Norris of slippers.
I'm not saying bring back hitting your kids. Or making them fear you. But there was no fair worse than my dad finding out.
Don't think kids have that now. Yano fear of consequence.
Dark_Foggy_Evenings@reddit
I was a 70’s kid, 80’s teen. You lot were little shits.
Which, curiously, is what my dad said about my generation. Which is a bit rich considering my grandad was displeased with my Dad’s generation.
Goe_Danger@reddit
The majority of people that are idolised nowadays are no longer good people. The lovable rogue narrative is preferred above all else
pheeelco@reddit
I agree with the OP.
Children have changed enormously in the uk over the past couple of decades. They have no manners, they are afraid of nobody and have no sense of how you should behave in public. And the notion of civic responsibility seems to have vanished. I often take a bus which takes a large number of children to a local grammar school. In five years I have never seen one of them offer their seat to an adult. They are happy to allow elderly people, pregnant ladies, etc., to stand. When I was their age, one of us would have offered our seat to such passengers (I still do, of course).
It’s actually kind of sad. Sad for them. Their world seems introverted and value-less and quite cynical. Selfish even.
Teachers talk openly about the chaos in schools and how they dream of leaving the profession. From some of the stories I hear, it seems that a lot of children now have attention-deficits, extremely low attention spans and the influence of social media is everywhere. There are serious issues with misogyny among young boys (driven by online movements and influencers) and the prevalence of behavioural problems, anxiety and learning difficulties appears to have grown exponentially in a generation or two.
Certainly, when I spend a week or two in Germany or Asia, I am always struck by the difference in how kids behave when I get back to England. It really is apparent that something is going wrong.
Estebesol@reddit
How is your 3-year-old so used to technology and why does it surprise you? Are you not the one caring for them?
Mustbejoking_13@reddit
The lack of adverts on some Tv services has meant they've never had to wait. The availability of soft play centres, better parks, etc, has meant they've never had to be bored. Couple that with z list TV celebrities telling them they can be what they want, there's a sense of entitlement that is almost palpable. But I'm sure my generation were dicks to the ones that came before too...
HauntedAtheist40@reddit
I raised 4 kids as a single parent and worked full time.We were poor and often struggled. I made food from scratch as I realised frozen food or ready made food did not agree with one of my children and anytime she had anything with colourants in she was physically ill. I made sure they never had anything with colourants in but no one believed me 40 yrs ago they were a problem.I was strict with my kids and demanded to know where they were at all times and a parents phone number so I could check. Nowadays kids eat so much crap and are handed a phone at the first opportunity as if that is keeping them safe. Adhd and autism is unbelievably high too. So what on earth is going on. Maybe I was just lucky in creating 4 productive members of society but seeing kids behaviour is so bad they have no manners are not controlled and laughed at when they do something bad. Maybe I just have more time on my hands to notice these things now my kids are all grown.
danikov@reddit
Technology isn't like a newspaper or a book, its more like a pair of glasses; anyone would sulk if you took away an essential assistive device. It is harder for us older generations to understand that the technology that augmented us has been a total replacement for them and they are lost without it.
sadfatdragonsays@reddit
I do think this attitude is cyclical. However kids definitely do have more screen time today and there probably is a cultural shift in the relationship between kids and authority figures. As a teacher I would say this is good as long as it's done properly. If it's not, they're just shooting their child in the foot.
RexBanner1886@reddit
There's an awful lot of people here saying 'Generations have always perceived a negative change in the habits and attitudes of the generations beneath them'.
That's true - and it's also largely irrelevant.
In the last decade, a majority of the teenage population began spending nearly half their waking life on their phone. That has a fundamental, profound effect on a human being that "People have always worried about and been annoyed by young people, it doesn't mean anything" doesn't cover.
I worry about how many people dismiss obvious problems because of some ready-to-go bit of conventional wisdom that's based on truth while being misleading.
anniday18@reddit
I actually have the opposite view point. I teach in a secondary and find the students way more respectful than the students in my generation where when we were at school. I teach in a low income area, behaviour is really good.
DoctorAgility@reddit
Why do things change?
anoni0605@reddit
im from edi and i am genuinely terrified of the kids here, they all are wannabe london gangsters. the amount of times ive just finished an eight hour shift and want to kick back on the bus or even nap on my way home and theres twenty of them at the back of the bus blowing raspberry clouds and blasting music from speakers.. lol. and the lack of respect is honestly on another level. last year on burns night 13-15 year olds were launching fireworks at the police (please look it up its honestly shocking) I feel like kids have learned especially now that the police cannot do anything to them physically and since juvie is now 'correctional facility' they dont care. i mean most of these kids definitely come from a neglected home where their parents couldnt care where they are at 11pm at night because they're down a doobie and two glasses of wine. Don't get me wrong when I was younger i loved a drink with friends and i smoked cigs and skipped class but I always kept my voice low in public, offered my seats to the elderly and helped people carrying luggage up the stairs. I never let whatever 'rebellion' acts i was committing mix with my morals. but these ones nowadays are out of hand!! i think it all boils down to insecurity, parenting and peers. 1. these kids somewhere are scared, but nowadays telling your pal you dont want to break into a shop and steal WKD bottles would be seen as weakness. everyone is trying to be the 'big man' and show off. 2. the council estates are all parents in their 20-30s that had kids too young and are still drinking and drugging themselves away. they dont care. same parents that give their kids vape money or shove a phone in front of their face for peace and quiet. 3. one person does it, the rest do. its simple. even if a kid comes from a genuinely good family, they makes friends with the guy with the fake id, careless parents and to them it seems appealing. i mean, we all rememver that one person from high school. there was always one.
piyush-shekdar@reddit
American culture
surfrider0007@reddit
I don’t think they are totally different, I see the massive volume of time spent on social media as a problem though. Yes we had TV and yes we had gaming. The percentage of young people’s time spent on it is detrimental to other skills and learning.
p1p68@reddit
Screens
kpikid3@reddit
You sound like my grandparents.
Terrible_Basis310@reddit
I’m the same age, with kids the same age.
I can’t agree exactly with that you say, my kids behaviours don’t line up exactly with your experience.
But I do agree that they are very different from when I was a kid, but I’m sure I was different to my parents as kids also.
Bottom line for me is that the world is an evolving place and environment, I’m also a different parent to mine were. Shit changes, not always for the better, but we just do our best at what’s needed in our version of it.
Y0uNeverKn0wItAll@reddit
What's changed is you're now the parent, yes there have been technology, environmental and society changes but ultimately your parents thought like this about your generation. The generation of in-between yours and your parents invoked changes that resulted in giving your children a slightly different environment to grow up in to you and you allow it.
BatPuzzleheaded2084@reddit
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restless-researcher@reddit
I think a huuuuggeee part of it is the behaviour you model for your children yourself. You may have spent a lot of time outdoors as a child, but do you still? Or are you also addicted to your phone? I see just as many older folk totally glued to their phones as I do young people these days. My dad (60+) is terrible for it.
Growing up, my parents were outdoorsy types and my mum still is. They’d get annoyed with me for sitting inside with a BOOK. As a result we spent a lot of time outdoors, on walks, in the garden, camping, activity holidays, running, sports. However I’m not a particularly outdoors adult. When I have kids I’m going to try really hard to model good behaviours around tech but the challenge seems bigger, these things are designed to be seriously addictive.
Kimbo-BS@reddit
How many of us can say we had the same childhood as our parents? I'm betting not many.
So "totally different" is totally normal.
Cute_Gap1199@reddit
The answer to your question is that woman have more power now. So parenting and teaching is done by women. No one foresaw that empowered women would not only bring their strengths to the foreground, but also their weaknesses. And if anyone saw it coming, that can’t say it or you are a bigot. Talking about male weaknesses is fine but not the other way around. Of course this disadvantages women because being let off the hook is not a blessing, it’s a curse. You become weaker. But it also disadvantages children, because they are all acting up. Being raised in such a world is bad for kids, as they don’t respect the women that are raised raising them. There was more balance in the way things were before. With men there was the threat of violence if you crossed a line. And that threat was rarely materialised. But was a healthy limit.
MrRWhitworth@reddit
It’s a different world now.
_Good_Vibes1@reddit
Twenty years ago children and adults would never interact socially or as equals, now thanks to social media, adults have become peers to children. We are all on the same platforms interacting. You see adults following trends, fashion and music meant for kids.
Adults have completely encroached on children’s lives and they have no choice but to see us as “childish” at worst and equals at best.
tonyferguson2021@reddit
Aren’t kids learning tech and making more money than their parents in some cases? Then they can do whatever they want and maybe that’s where childhood is sort of phased out by techno capitalism 🤷♂️
TangerineFew6830@reddit
Not to mention how many adults behave on social media, how can they be taken seriously or be viewed as ‘adult’ in the way so many behave, troll, judge etc, it may not even be reflective of how that person would communicate in their real life, but it sure as hell sets a terrible example, not to mention parents who have their children on facebook.
I remember I had my mum on facebook, she would slag me off constantly, and then i would read all the comments of her friends and other family members etc, seeing them talk about us as though we are peers, and I just viewed her as so immature as to call me names on facebook, the same thing I might have been in trouble for.
Funny thing is, they are still there now 😂 She said recently, I have so many old posts just bitching about you, and I laughed and said ‘and you expected me to take you seriously as an adult’
Unknownmagic247@reddit
For a few things I can comment on, there's been a change with outside spaces, at least that I can tell. When I was younger I'd love to go out and play till dark but now there's less parks, not many common areas left like library's and it feels like it's becoming less safe with knife crime rising.
For the technology part that really depends on parenting, I used to know a few people around my age or just younger that use it as a escape from pressure and stress in life but I fear not enough parents limit their kids screen time anymore. And authorities well that's both a lack of respect taught and that some of us see how incompetent police get, plenty from personal experience.
papii12@reddit
It’s those damn phones!!!🙈
Healthy-View-9969@reddit
it really do be that damn phone
VastBuffalo@reddit
I think a large percentage of our generation are just genuinely shit parents. The police are full of weak individuals aswell, seem to be to scared of everything, Coppers used to be scary. Also there are alot of the cockwombles on youtube/tictok haven't helped.
MissKLO@reddit
I dunno… I see things quite differently, I’m nearly 40, so spent my formative years in the late 90’s early 00’s, and honestly back then, kids my age including myself were absolute pricks. We were all drinking cheap cider in the park, doing drugs, sneaking into clubs, having sex, absolutely zero intrest in authority etc etc… my husband has teens now, and honestly it’s like a different world… the one went missing one night, we were all obviously worried sick, the police found her drinking milkshakes in the park watching fucking tik tok videos with her friend. This new generation don’t seem to drink, have more respect for one another, are more interested with snapchat than sneaking out… they don’t even smoke… the worst thing they seem to do is vape. It’s like they’re rebelling against my generation by being really good 😂😂
Baba_NO_Riley@reddit
Kids are the same. The adults aren't. Lack of respect for teachers and other similar authorities has to do with adults not respecting primarily one another and consequently authorities/ institutions as well. Unless they have a lot of money or represent some power. ( authority and power is not the same).
Lockdown had nothing to do with it, we are not the only people nor the only generation to have an extraordinary thing happening to them, yet we think "we're special", "entitled", "different", "unique" - and ofcourse we think the same of our kids.. and they act accordingly.
LogPrestigious1941@reddit
Tik tok = brain rot
dustyfaxman@reddit
The feral kids i see and more often hear, the same kind we all read about, act the same as the feral kids i grew up alongside in the 80's and 90's in semi-rural scotland.
Shitty bikes, shitty clothes, stupid haircuts, random violence, lot of property damage, aggresively noising people up, racist, homophobic, etc.
And it'll be a combination of the same reasons they're feral now as back then.
Shitty or absent parents (whether that's literally absent or just not paying any attention to them)
Lack of any sense of a 'future' (no jobs or misery wage slavism, no point in school, uni is a joke or out of reach, etc).
Genuine lack of trust in institutional bodies and figures of authority.
Apathy/nihilism.
Boredom.
Add social media echoing all of this back to them from folk filming themselves for clout, alongside the idea of making money or being given free stuff from having clout and the influencer lifestyle in general.
They're a generation that's pretty much fucked, entering their teenage and early adult years in this boring dystopia, having just come through the entire world shutting up shop and effectively being home or self taught for 2 years.
I can understand why they're the way they are.
I might not like it.
But i can understand it.
BlackberryNice1270@reddit
“Many [young people] were so pampered nowadays that they had forgotten that there was such a thing as walking, and they made automatically for the buses… unless they did something, the future for walking was very poor indeed.”
Scottish Rights of Way: More Young People Should Use Them, Falkirk Herald, 1951
“Whither are the manly vigour and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt...”
Letter in Town and Country magazine republished in Paris Fashion: A Cultural History, 1771
“We defy anyone who goes about with his eyes open to deny that there is, as never before, an attitude on the part of young folk which is best described as grossly thoughtless, rude, and utterly selfish.”
The Conduct of Young People, Hull Daily Mail, 1925
“They think they know everything, and are always quite sure about it.”
Rhetoric, Aristotle, 4th Century BC
Do you get my point?
Any-Class-2673@reddit
As a kid I definitely preferred being inside playing on a console than playing outside. But look outside now. Where I grew up, the field we used to play on is houses now, the local park is broken down and rusty, even my old schools no longer run most the clubs they used to because they can't afford it. There just isn't much space appropriate for kids to hang out outside.
Responsible_Bite_188@reddit
Nah, all very nice sentiments but it’s nonsense. People always complain about the youth of today. Recent complaints have been about young people being too serious, not drinking and being wild anymore etc etc. Yet at the same time we have complaints about lack of respect for authority, wild behaviour etc.
Where I live I come across lots of kids, partly cos mine are 14 and 12 and partly because I coach my son’s football team. The kids I come across are absolutely fine. No different to what they always have been. Most are very respectful, some are a pain in the arse. As always.
Some play computer games all day, most are more than delighted to kick a ball or jump in the sea. In fact when I was a kid all we used to do at breaktime was rush out for a fag. Now all they do at breaktime is play football outside.
Responsible_Bite_188@reddit
And yes, when I was a schoolkid from about 1986-1996 I played inside on my BBC Micro/Commodore/Playstation any time I could. My kids play on their games far less than I did.
robster9090@reddit
Ah yes the weekly, kids are ass hoped we was all angels post
KanyeWestsPoo@reddit
Old man yells at clouds. Almost every generation thinks the coming generation has got something wrong with it. Get over yourself.
Artonox@reddit
I dunno I think it's the other way around. When I was a kid, I felt everyone else (teens) were total shitheads. Now that I'm older, I think they are far more kinder, although still as loud.
Flatulancey@reddit
It’s a mix of things - social media and parenting has changed, and it’s always been like this. 100% this generation of children will be having the same complains about their kids.
As to more specifics - consider this. A lot of parents don’t parent in the same way their parents brought them up. My parents stricter on some things and more carefree on others than I see a lot of parents do now. For example - I was allowed to do what ever I like out of the house as long as I came back. But, if I wasn’t polite to a stranger - didn’t say thank you etc I’d be told off. That’s all changed now, children are much more restricted in gaining their own experiences but taught less about some of the basics of life. This isn’t the case for everyone, but I see it more and more. Just look at schools - if I was rude to a teacher my parents would have not been happy. Now, teachers don’t dare discipline pupils because of fear of how parents might react. I’ve heard a it a few times - the kids are only half the problem, a lot of the issues come from parents.
More broadly on social media - it’s created an age of self. Social media has created a false impression of what life should be like and then the reality hits and it’s not nice. People think of themselves more as individuals - in fact it’s looked down on if you think of yourself as anything else. There is no collective, working together. It’s all about how important you and your needs are. But it’s also spewed so much information on young people, most of it misleading and dangerous. It’s created more and more people with all of the sensitivity because EVERYTHING is a cause they should care about, but none of the empathy because they should only think of themselves.
Azlamington@reddit
Because the same people do not get born into two different generations, maybe? IDK, but I'm sure each person is different.
DeeplyNeeededChange@reddit
Why is it £70+ per share
Springyardzon@reddit
There are masses of parents now who are anti-authoritarian.
PlatformFeeling8451@reddit
I'm 37, so the same generation as you. The idea that kids respected authority figures more in the 90s and early 00s seems comical to me. I remember a kid in my class was being told off by a PE teacher, and mid-rant, he turned his back on him and started pissing onto the football field 😂
I also don't remember being terrified of other adults "telling my parents" on me, or it being particularly worrying if they did.
I do remember a neighbour opening his window and telling me and my friend that if our football hit his car one more time, he'd come over and break our arms. Within about 10 seconds, my mate had booted the football directly onto the guy's windshield. It was a baby blue Ford Fiesta, a football dent probably increased its value.
We also spent a LOT of time playing computer games in the 90s and 00s. Like, a crazy amount. I spent more time playing FIFA 98 than I did learning Spanish, and I took 4 years of Spanish classes.
Admirable-Usual1387@reddit
Sounds familiar
Enough_Moment_739@reddit
This! I was such a rebel as a teenager. I think you always had children with behavioural problems.
I think we are more aware of troubled kids than before. Because we are more socially and emotionally aware. We are also know more about learning difficulties, adhd and autism. I think adults take notice of children more now.
It could potentially be linked to a rise in poverty. Kids act out when they are unhappy and have a lot of emotions and undeveloped brain. I just feel like children were invisible in the 90s. Especially in deprived area's. Remember the word chav? They were just working class kids hanging about. This country made us believe they were the scum of the earth.
hndbabe@reddit
Many things: first off I would have to ask, how much quality time do you spend with your children, like you genuinely make the effort to connect with them. Is not easy because life is so busy and tiring but children truly are a reflection of their parents and/or environment. About authority, because information travels so fast children are now aware of how much adults abuse their power, so they question it and challenge it more, also nowadays good adults give kids the space to do so, if we don’t shape them properly then it’s a problem.
alltorque1982@reddit
I'm going to just focus on this bit cos it struck a chord:
Are we the only parents who cause a massive sulk with our kids every time we take our kids technology off of them to get them to be social and/or have some exercise?
I have an older boy (20) and a 5 year old. It HAS changed. My parenting style is the same for the most part I think, but today was a perfect example of the sulk. 5 year old gets in trouble at school (nothing major), but once home is DEVASTATED by the fact he is not allowed to play on the iPad (which is sparingly allowed anyway!!) as a result.
I do feel the more we have at our fingertips the more we want. When my older boy was 5 I was absolutely broke. Any days out were scrimped for and were basic day trips. At 20 he still talks of them and remembers stuff I don't.
The 5 year old gets more days out and things generally as we are more financially secure (we don't spoil him at all but will buy an ice cream whilst out for example, whereas I couldn't do that for older boy), and my god his demands are ever increasing. I swear we could take that boy to the moon in a sparkly rocket piloted by dinosaurs and he'd be angry because we didn't have time to pack his diggers and tell us we'd ruined his day.
I realise I'm rambling, but honestly this is cathartic and making me reflect on my parenting, which after writing this out, HAS changed after all... Time to strip back to the basics I think.
Sorry for the ramble.
SheepishSwan@reddit
The first thing that comes to mind is your memory is obviously biased. That's not a dig, but people tend to look at their childhood more fondly than those of others.
Secondly, being outside all the time used to be considered a problem in some respects. Kids would be kicking balls near roads and neighbours houses. They would be mingling with all the other local kids, and no matter where you lived or social status there was always that one kid who your parents were worried about influencing you.
Parents at some reacted to those dangers and wanted their kids at home more, so this is the result.
So maybe your question should instead be; "why are parents totally different today?"
ahikelover@reddit
Same in Turkey. I think this is a collective generation issue.
NecronomiconUK@reddit
Such a tedious old fart post
Admirable-Usual1387@reddit
Look at the state of the streets and average citizens here. It’s got increasingly worse over my lifetime.
Imaginary-Hornet-397@reddit
Technology is literally changing the development of children's brains. In the past, we had to be alert to every little thing that randomly cropped up, in case it meant our demise. Twig snaps in the night: what's going on, are we safe? We're wired for it. Now, we get alerts on our devices constantly. No let up. Constantly having to check the device every time it beeps or flashes. Giving a little dopamine hit when novel information is presented. The manufacturers of the software know this and exploit it. It's fucking us all up, but the kids especially.
Ok_Criticism_9474@reddit
Degeneration
Spottyjamie@reddit
When you were a kid i was an older kid than you playing on my zx spectrum and still arsed about on the estate much the joy of neighbours
Times arent much different
StereotypicallBarbie@reddit
I imagine my parents thought this about my generation.. and so on…. Times change! I feel like gen x and older millennials probably had the last great technology free childhood! Of course we went out doing stuff.. that’s all we had! Even my first mobile phone at 18 felt like major technology but you could only call and text.. smartphones have everyone in a chokehold
Legitimate_Bowler_57@reddit
Sadly this is the next generation. I too remimmisce about past times, no one has respect these days, for instance my hubby's 13 year old granddaughter ' twerked ' in his face. I didn't know what twerking was until she shouted she'd accidentally twerked in his face. I mean come on, where's the respect. I used to do stamp collecting and make things with my grandad, now it's all about twerking and tik tok trends. So sad.
DeeplyNeeededChange@reddit
Boomer
Boredpanda31@reddit
In Scotland (unsure about the rest of the UK), the police won't even put minors in cells now. If they're charged with a crime, they either go home to wait on an outcome or if its serious, they may be put in a secure care unit. Shame because I have a few niblings who could do with a wee fleg in the cells sometimes...
The police also won't come out to shoplifters at all, so kids (and the adults that do it) are just getting away with it.
Kids have no respect for teachers or police. Mind you, I heard the way a teacher screamed at one of my niblings that was just walking down a hall (to come to the office because they were going to an appointment) so sometimes I get why they're not respected... but something has definitely changed.
SnooBooks1701@reddit
Congratulations, you got old. Your generation were just as much little shits
Resipa99@reddit
My tip is always try and keep to the 10 commandments and you then won’t get into trouble plus people appreciate your attitude which is refreshing from being just a “me,me,me” person. 👍
Main-Entrepreneur841@reddit
Social media
topherbytes@reddit
For the going outside part, I’ve had this discussion with family a bit… When we were young (I was born in the ‘90s) you could go on the street on your bike and perhaps see 4 or 5 cars coming and going. And those cars were going to be the size of a fiesta.
Now, there’s 2 cars parked outside each house on the street with huge vehicles going up and down all day everyday. I know I contribute to this by ordering online. Fact of the matter is I don’t feel like my 9 year olds are safe to go out on the streets and ride their bikes up and down. Hell I don’t feel safe doing that!
steadfastun1corn@reddit
You know who you sound like, my dad :D
I can't say I was an angel or that my parents were that bothered where i was most of the time (I lived up trees from the age of 5, dangerous really) but yeh i do think there's something in the way kids are pandered to so much these days. I feel bad saying that because i don't believe in violence but the idea of my dad finding out that i'd done something wrong put the fear of god in me - I had hiding places for when i answered back. My dads rules made no sense most of the time but you did them anyway to avoid the alternative. My mum was too soft and i did treat her with less respect which saddens me as an adult. Someone shouting never phased me.
Kids havent fully developed their ability to outwardly reflect have they, they have too little experience to put themselves in another persons shoes and be fully aware of the dynamics at play. We also live in an age where dopamine hits are at the push of a button, bunch of little addicts the lot of us trying to get our next fix. As kids we'd have to go out and explore to get that buzz and to connect, but now its on the couch and fleeting/shallow.
I think about this a lot - my parents rarely took me out but i had a fantastic little life adventuring. Now parents seem to rush around trying to entertain their child, everything's about going to these places that cost a fortune - i have so many friends who feel guilty if they havent done anything to get their kids busy on a weekend, if i was bored and whined about it id be told to clear off and entertain myself...harsh but i always did.
We're all about letting them know how loved they are now, which sounds good but are we seeing a generation of little egomaniacs who think the sun shines out their bottoms?
You'll all be pleased to know i dont have kids - I was always too scared id raise them wrong.
TangerineFew6830@reddit
Honestly this is such a great comment. People will argue that evidence shows that discipline such as that, does nothing for the child and simply is not effective, but why do so many say otherwise…. i have a son who is a big character, he is naughty, defiant, a massive wind up who dosent know when to stop etc, everything I read tells me to explain to him, put him in time out, gentle etc etc, it does not work, that kid laughs in my face, hes still young but im constantly trying to think of ways to show him how to respect me, without hitting him, its hard man
steadfastun1corn@reddit
Its true eh, I got drunk one time and called my mum a stupid cow when she told me off - next morning I was sent packing, not by mum obvs, she would have told me to get out but relented when I refused to move; dad told me I was out and I packed promptly. I make him sound like a tyrant. He didn’t actually hit many times in my life, but I knew he had follow through. Taking someone’s phone for an hr is an inconvenience but it doesn’t really promote change, ppl just learn you can do anything but if you say sorry nicely enough alls forgiven. We see it at play in adults
EUskeptik@reddit
Whoever gave kids the technology and failed to monitor and control their use of it should be held responsible.
I guess that’s you, their parents. 🙄
I grew up with a healthy disrespect for teachers who cynically abused us and for police who showed themselves to be corrupt, vindictive and ineffectual.
It has never held me back. I went to university when only 20% of young people did. I had a fantastic career in one of the professions which involved working and living in mainland Europe, the USA and the Middle East.
It’s no good wringing your hands and wondering where it all went wrong. Give your kids all the love and support you can, then allow them to do with their lives what they will.
I think kids of today are great. They are more polite and considerate of others than any previous generation. They care deeply about issues previous generations never even thought about. I’m 70 and I have nothing but praise and admiration for today’s young people and for the future of this nation.
So stop disrespecting them, please. 🙏
Richard__Papen@reddit
Does the same thing happen in other countries? If not, we're obviously doing something wrong.
ExcellentOutside5926@reddit
Kids have inherited a shit life that older generations have enjoyed making the most of. There’s very little going for them. I really don’t blame them for acting out. What’re they living for?
LauraPa1mer@reddit
I don't know but 35-38 is not having kids at an "old" age. 50 would be kinda old.
Impressive-Studio876@reddit
Teachers and Police are not to be by default respected, so your kids probably learned that from experience at school. Respect is earned, not given.
OctoQueen101@reddit
I’m 15, and raised in the uk. Being in a high school in the uk? Hell.
No one listens to the teachers anymore, especially the boys. They misbehave, get told to go outside, then say no. We’ve had so many assemblies about how we need to respect teachers and members of the community around school.
I honestly think it’s because of lockdown. Kids had no structure at all because a lot of parents didn’t know how to give it. My parents gave my brother and I structured days, and we were only allowed to watch BBC Bitesize during “school hours”. We would work on a desk next to one of our parents desks each.
When I spoke to my friends, the “ruder” ones said they were allowed to do what they wanted all day as long as they did their work, but didn’t have structured days as I did. The more polite of my friends said they had days like mine. Most of the boys in my class said that they just played on their Xboxes or play stations all day.
Now I’m not saying lockdown was the sole cause, but I think it didn’t help. It made kids whose parents maybe were key workers or weren’t present during lockdown huge attention seekers. They pushed boundaries that weren’t pushed before, and found no consequence, so will continue to do so.
So now, when faced with a punishment, they honestly don’t care.
thepennydrops@reddit
How old are your kids? Don’t give your kids technology is the right answer.
Scottish_squirrel@reddit
A lot of parents aren't showing people respect and are teaching their kids that they are right and everyone is wrong.
Source: I work in a school and a lot of parents are disrespectful and encourage their kids to be arseholes
EAGLE-EYED-GAMING@reddit
Because we (Me) are pissed off that we were not born in the 70s 80s or 90s with the music/culture. Especially when our (My) Parents were in the same area, so had they net earlier, I may of grown uo back then :(
Odd-Currency5195@reddit
What they get fed by the algorithoms and social media.
We're all fucked.
Main-Ad-2137@reddit
Probably not scared of their parents finding out when the schools are emailing them every other day about a detention
ColsterG@reddit
We were the last generation to tell their kids that we had it harder. We know now that we lived through the peak. They are living in a world that constantly shows them that time is running out.
Gloomy-Mood9118@reddit
Just the usual generational whining that happens each time around.
AnimeBritGuy@reddit
I was a teen in the late 2000's to early 2010's. Me and my friend group were all just normal lads. (looking back we were probably poor in comparison to everyone else at the time)
Rise of technology and social media. When I was a teen it was new and only really on the family PC or crappy laptop so it was easy to switch off. Now it is almost a perfected technology to get people hooked for as long as possible. 1 lad in our group had a blackberry and none of us had iphones.
Lack of respect for authority. If we were caught knocking someones door and running away or playing footie in the street and hitting the window we'd take getting shouted at threatened to ring your mum and move on elsewhere now you'd be told F off or worse.
JMGO2207@reddit
Well, I'd like to tell you you're wrong in one thing. Yes, it is 100% lazy parenting. People have kids and they don't even know why they've had them. If only there was a test before becoming a parent to determine whether you're fit to be one, oh my word the amount of rude children that wouldn't exist.
Our parents are our role models. Children's brains are like sponges and so they'll imitate our behaviours. My parents taught me to be respectful of others and I've grown to be respectful of others. It works, it's science. If children see smoking, arguing, laziness and careless education that's what they'll learn. Rest assured if you raise your children to be respectful of others they will. But the problem is parents nowadays do not give a shit anymore. They buy them iPhones at the age of 9 and reward stupidity. Hard work and realise you have to work hard to reach your goals, sacrifice culture, recycling culture, looking after things culture. They all are things of the past. If something breaks it does matter, we can buy a new one. It's so sad. I was taught to look after my things and appreciate them.
You've hit 10k likes! You deserve an even MORE expensive iPhone. Politeness is nowhere to be seen, let alone manners. I am determined to keep my children off social media however I don't want them to see this as a punishment but as a way of protecting them. And I'll make sure they understand why teenagers shouldn't use smartphones. And I think that's where all this is coming from, social media. Parents nowadays not only allow their kids to have it but they even encourage it. It's absolutely mind-blowing. It's bonkers.
BrilliantOne3767@reddit
Prisoners have more outside time than children. Blame cars I think!
Herem0d@reddit
Why would kids have observe authority now?
On the one hand, any authority figure is absolutely powerless, when it comes to kids, and they know it. If a copper so much as grabs a ragamuffin too hard by the arm he'll be up on discipline, if he's lucky, and even if he manages to carry the miscreant back to the station with kid gloves there'll be no charges or repercussions whatsoever. MAYBE a completely toothless Youth Diversion Order at best.
On the other hand - kids are obviously much more aware of the world than we were. They're fully aware of how shite the world is right now, they're blasted with news about it all hours of the day. And whose job was it to make sure the world didn't get so shite? From their point of view it was ours, our generation's, and we failed.
So they don't fear us, because there's nothing to fear. And they don't respect us, because we haven't done anything to earn their respect.
Interesting_Task8663@reddit
Read the anxious generation by Haidt. The smart phone technology is rewiring the brains of kids. So yes the new generation is different for sure- more anxious, unsure of how to act etc.
easily-distracte@reddit
I'm a teacher now and most of the kids I teach are lovely - nicer students than many of my class were in the 90s and early 00s. When I was in y8 we made our French teacher cry. One of the other classes locked the DT teacher in a cupboard. On my school bus one of the seats got burnt with a deodorant and lighter combo. My school got in a big town centre fight with another school. One of my mates regularly exposed himself in class or on the bus. Jokes about rape were fairly common and jokes about being gay were utterly constant. I liked playing football a lot, but my parents still reckoned I spent all my time on my PlayStation.
There are good and bad kids in every generation but this generation categorically do less drink and less drugs, so let's not pick on every negative that might have cropped up as time changes please.
BigTiddyGothTV@reddit
Stop giving your kids phones and tablets
Alfred_Orage@reddit
I think that is a large part of the problem. In the 1970s you were genuinely afraid of your parents and your teachers because they could whack you. Now, teachers are utterly powerless in the classroom.
There are obviously wider cultural factors too, but I think this is quite important.
Grem-123@reddit
Telling their parent's isn't a threat any more. Most of those parents will tell you to F off and deny that their 'perfect child' would ever do anything wrong.
TangerineFew6830@reddit
In my opinion, maybe social media related who knows, but they seem to be more confident, I was confident and very anti authoritarian, and I still am in many ways. However, me and everyone I knew always seemed to be aware of the surroundings and situations, for example when i take my kids to the toddler park, groups of teenagers will be there (no problem) they will scream the C word repeatedly, yesterday they were saying the N word, calling people fat bitches etc, next to a park full of 2 year olds etc. Even the most unruly kids I knew, would NEVER do that, mainly because of fear of adults reactions etc, but it seems more kids now simply do not give a shit, is it the ‘gentle parenting’, increased confidence, boys thinking they are untouchable road men, just general lack of discipline, showing off? Im not sure
I have no issue telling a group of 20 of them to mind their language, and if they laugh or give me shit, I hammer down, because thats what they need.
sir_thrillho@reddit
Oh blaaaaaaahhhhhhhh big shock your kids don't have the same childhood you had, what a crime.
Vast-Heron8963@reddit
I was in the arcade playing videogames so i was out socialising .Also there was youthclubs and discos..Paperrounds and working in supermarkets ir grocery stores for £3an hr.This helped me massively.So many kids want to stay in and i think alot of parents are happy with this in a way because they know they are safe!!As for teachers police.etc i totally agree..Theres no fear of the law for example..People.need.to be punished properly if they break the law for example.And if you do prison ...Bed and books.and standard food only.NO gyms pool tables mobile phones fags drugs food choc and so on!!!They meed alot of.there time to think about what they have done!!!
chris_croc@reddit
In 43 BC Cicero. M Tulli wrote this - “Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book.”
So the phenomenon of blaming the last generation is of course very common.
However, we are seeing things that are very unique to our generation:
- Screen addiction from a very young age.
- High percentages of Parents both working.
- Many single households.
This is happening on a scale have not been seen yet and the impact they will have on society good or bad is yet to be seen.
audigex@reddit
People in the 1990s were saying the same thing about us
People on the 1960s were saying the same thing about them
People in the 1800s were saying it about the younger generation at that time
“Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households” - Socrates, circa 400 BCE
Which is to say, you’re just getting old.
Unlikely-Check-3777@reddit
I was indoors playing games and loved it.
We're all different and have different world views. Just because kids don't align to your world view doesn't make them worse.
Also, the threat of someone telling on my parents struck the fear of god into me because it meant verbal, emotional and, sometimes, physical abuse.
I regularly tell my 5 year old not to trust the police, the government or blindly listen to authority just because. Because, if there's anything we learned in the last 20 years, they're all corrupt and self-serving. I want him to learn to think for himself, be curious and challenge things he doesn't think is right. Even if it makes him seem like a no-good kid.
If the price of that is a not-perfectly-trained child who will sometimes challenge me or others (and likely be wrong at times) and who isn't afraid of abuse, then that's a price I'm willing to pay 100x.
I want my kid to grow up empowered, knowing he's loved and unafraid.
No88queen@reddit
I'm a social worker, and I feel there has most definitely been a shift over the years. I regularly see a lot of young people who have no respect for their parents, teachers, or anyone in authority. I feel there has been an absence of boundaries put in place by some parents; with some eager to be friends with their children, without recognising that they also need to help guide them in life. I see a lot of teachers undermined by parents, when they attempt to implement rules and discipline, resulting in a lack of continuity and consistency, between home and school. I have found this has led to many challenges to care, with parents later seeking children's services to try and instil some of the boundaries that they themselves have failed to. By that stage, it then takes a lot of work from professionals to try and undo the damage, and sometimes it is sadly too late.
Helpful-Wolverine748@reddit
screens.
and it isn’t just kids.
i am 25 but i am hopelessly addicted to my phone and feel like a shell of the person i would be without it but there’s nothing i can do about it. phones are essential to our lives.
Meta-Fox@reddit
Social media arguably plays a huge part. It's emboldoned people to be edgy for likes, and the children who view such content perceive that as just being normal behaviour.
MikeyTheBrit@reddit
Did you copy and paste this from one of those Facebook posts Boomers love that ends with ‘I bet my friends won’t be brave enough to share this’?
WavyHairedGeek@reddit
Frankly, I don't think this is bad. People shouldn't fear authority, they should respect it, and respect is earned.
If a kid and their parents have a good relationship, telling on you to your Mum won't be a threat because you know your Mum has your back.
If you want your kids to fear you, you're not doing well as a parent.
darkautumn82@reddit
What does your own activity look like? Do you exercise and spend a lot of time being active? Kids often follow the example set by whoever raises them. Yes, everyone is different and kids of active parents can definitely be more the indoor type of person.
My two are totally different from each other. One loves the outdoors and gets cranky if we don't do anything, the other loves gaming and does so in groups with like-minded kids from his class.
For transparency, I don't exercise as much as I should, but I do go to organised gym classes and have done for all of my kids lives. As has my wife. So it definitely depends on the child.
darkautumn82@reddit
What does your own activity look like? Do you exercise and spend a lot of time being active? Kids often follow the example set by whoever raises them. Yes, everyone is different and kids of active parents can definitely be more the indoor type of person.
My two are totally different from each other. One loves the outdoors and gets cranky if we don't do anything, the other loves gaming and does so in groups with like-minded kids from his class.
For transparency, I don't exercise as much as I should, but I do go to organised gym classes and have done for all of my kids lives. As has my wife. So it definitely depends on the child.
darkautumn82@reddit
What does your own activity look like? Do you exercise and spend a lot of time being active? Kids often follow the example set by whoever raises them. Yes, everyone is different and kids of active parents can definitely be more the indoor type of person.
My two are totally different from each other. One loves the outdoors and gets cranky if we don't do anything, the other loves gaming and does so in groups with like-minded kids from his class.
For transparency, I don't exercise as much as I should, but I do go to organised gym classes and have done for all of my kids lives. As has my wife. So it definitely depends on the child.
_1489555458biguy@reddit
Welcome to one of the oldest habits in human existence. Bitching about young people being rude/unruly/badly behaved compared to oneself.
There are literally Greek texts from 4000 years ago (2000 BC) moaning about the behaviour of young people.
_1489555458biguy@reddit
Welcome to one of the oldest habits in human existence. Bitching about young people being rude/unruly/badly behaved compared to oneself.
There are literally Greek texts from 4000 years ago (2000 BC) moaning about the behaviour of young people.
MinaZata@reddit
Technology is more addictive than cocaine. You take that away, the brain goes crazy, wanting another dopamine hit.
iPads and phone, the internet in general, were all designed to grab your attention and NEVER, EVER let go.
You expose that to young minds on mass, every adult, all glued to our screens, craving that next hit, and we are all drug addicts.
It is more ugly when you see it in your own kids, but you're essentially taking their habit off them and they become gremlins.
There is no answer, we all signed up, we gave away all our privacy and data, because we are so addicted.
We highlight the positives, but deep down we know we are addicts and our kids are a mirror to what we have all created.
_1489555458biguy@reddit
Welcome to one of the oldest habits in human existence. Bitching about young people being rude/unruly/badly behaved.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2009/mar/17/ephebiphobia-young-people-mosquito#:~:text=Later%2C%20in%20the%20fourth%20century,elders%2C%20they%20disobey%20their%20parents
Veles343@reddit
It's more likely your children will be nerdy if you have kids when you're older. More people are having kids older, therefore there are more nerds around.
HELMET_OF_CECH@reddit
You’re taking to the wrong crowd, I don’t know how you could expect any other response than pushback from people that have been terminally online for years. Ask this outside of Reddit for a more true perspective.
HELMET_OF_CECH@reddit
You’re taking to the wrong crowd, I don’t know how you could expect any other response than pushback from people that have been terminally online for years. Ask this outside of Reddit for a more true perspective.
KittyGrewAMoustache@reddit
Yeah but in your story for example, only you know you went home scared and exhibited saint like behaviour because some old people yelled at you. The old people were thinking ‘what’s become of kids these days, climbing lampposts and scurrying off when addressed by their elders?!!’
dittohead007@reddit
Think alot is down to social media / YouTube and parents wanting to be their child's mate. Plus I think it 'feels' more dangerous to let your kids out now. We had no mobiles, I went out and stayed out till the street lights came on most of the time until my first console. But if someone knocked round for footie I was out :) I asked my daughter (14) why she didn't just go and knock for her mates and she said no one does that these days!
KittyGrewAMoustache@reddit
Yeah but in your story for example, only you know you went home scared and exhibited saint like behaviour because some old people yelled at you. The old people were thinking ‘what’s become of kids these days, climbing lampposts and scurrying off when addressed by their elders?!!’
GazelleSharp@reddit
I think a big part of communication and friendships happen online now. I know you’re shocked to see this but… it just reads like you have little understanding of how your kids live their lives. as in, when and how do they talk to friends. as someone who was born at the end of 90s, it’s kind of crazy to see those slightly older than me not understanding current youth social spaces. it’s mostly online as there’s nowhere else to go and everything costs money.
NapalmSword@reddit
Social media. That is all.
NapalmSword@reddit
Social media. That is all.
NapalmSword@reddit
Social media. That is all.
Ordinary_Bebt177@reddit
This reads like one of those awful reminiscing Facebook posts made for likes. The summer’s were hotter as well weren’t they? Why do some people lack the self awareness to not come out with this guff?
I remember the 90s. People were saying all of these exact points in the 90s. Kids were playing on their Megadrives and ripping the guts out of characters on Mortal Kombat and listening to Smack My Bitch Up. There were loads of TV shows and headlines about “louts”, unwed teenage mums and kids causing havoc at school.
On a slight tangent, I remember seeing a comment on a YouTube video for The Prodigy that said, “kids these days…they don’t make music like this anymore”..imagine that sort of reactionary sentiment to a bloody Prodigy song?
jackmanlogan@reddit
Violent crime is the lowest it's been for probably 40-50 years. If all the kids are so terrible, why's there no crime wave sweeping the country?
AutoPanda1096@reddit
You don't suddenly mature, sure. But omg 18 year old me was so different to 15 year old me. And I was different again at 30. As I approach 50 I feel like I've grown even further since 40. 20 year old me was a bit of a prat.
I have two kids. One sounds a bit more like what you think is traditional. Out with mates, social, always playing football, always having a joke. The other is far more comfortable at home, enjoys his school work, probably spends too much time on games (but really involved strategy games), reading etc.
If it's down to parenting, god knows why they are so different lol
There's no formula to any of this. It's too complex. We also make massive generalisations for sure.
I'm married to a teacher (qualified in 2000) and she says behaviour is pretty similar. There are nice kids and grotty kids. And there always were.
Are there more grotty kids? I dunno. Most my kids mates seem pleasant enough though.
Present_Scale6807@reddit
Bad parents it’s literally that simple
Scusme@reddit
Because Covid. They lied to us man. They betrayed our trust. The kids just see it clearer..
feuchtronic@reddit
One, every parent in the history in the world has had this thought in some variety or another. Two, when it comes to kids, it comes down to nature and/or nurture, and you're pretty much responsible for both of those
fenaith@reddit
It's social media.
It's all deliberately coded to be worse than crack cocaine for the brain.
From the FOMO to the tiny dopamine hit of a like, it's all engineered to keep you on it. Every hour. Every day.
MendaciousBog@reddit
Your children have no fear of authority because you have not taught them fear of authority.
gbunny@reddit
Homeschooling. The system wants pliable, self centred, short spanned masses.
Murky_Document9494@reddit
Zzzz…not particularly original or interesting observations. Reads like a boomer observation starter pack…zzz. Perhaps asking kids why it’s like this may help understand why and how things have changed.
amanset@reddit
Honestly, it may be a crappy meme but it shows to change in mindset and how parents are pretty much to be blamed.
Gullible_Fan4427@reddit
I’m a tad younger but similar generation. Video games saved my arse as a teen. My mates were out doing drugs/drinking/fcking about and I’d be at home safe & sound playing WoW with my other buddies from all over the world. What REALLY screwed up my life direction was falling for a troubled guy and having kids with him/giving up on career progression. My degree choice wasn’t exactly a smart one either..
And don’t forget, most kids are into tech now. In 10/20 years time they’ll all be at the same level!
goosesboy@reddit
I do agree with other comments here. You’re saying the same things older folks said about you when you were that age. It’s a never ending cycle of people aging and forgetting what it’s like to be a child with no autonomy and having nothing but authority figures telling you what to do at every turn. It’s much more complex than what you or I said. It’s a gross misunderstanding of human development.
Mission_Help1497@reddit
Kids learn from adults so maybe the adults should start listening and supporting their kids teacher.
Responsible-Mail-661@reddit
The same reason you did most things, you remember good days. I stayed out all night and still went to work yes we all did it but felt awful. When it snowed we went and got trays and bin bags and slid down the hill. No the school was still open and we went to school. These things happened once in your childhood. On a good day not everyday
insanityarise@reddit
People having been saying these things about the youngest generations basically forever, VSAUCE has a video on it
Upset_Belt_4886@reddit
It’s because being weak is encouraged in uk nowadays. Therefore if you say anything to kids these days or force them to go outside suddenly you’re not respecting their space. Plus the government has for a long time encouraged and taken steps for the society to not trust any authority. What kids right now don’t understand is they are in for a very hard reality check and a very hard life.
Flapadapdodo@reddit
Parents have always said this stuff. It’s your imagination.
Also you need to control their technology if it’s a problem for you.
It’s you.
fluffypinkblonde@reddit
congratulations you've made exercise a punishment
peanutbutter4all@reddit
Kids are observant, they see that not all actions have consequences, especially from figures in power. So they just copy that.
sayleanenlarge@reddit
Because you're old and times change
Banterz0ne@reddit
You set the example mate. Do you sit around in the evening on your phone or do you use your time doing activities like you used to?
Can't blame your kid for sitting on their phone if thats what you do you in your evening.
I obviously don't know if you do - but that's commonly accurate.
smelliepoo@reddit
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
Socrates.
Lt_Muffintoes@reddit
Police and teachers don't deserve respect.
But yeah, these screens are totally addictive. We're having to be really strict even from 3 years old. They don't even get much screen time and are still obsessed.
PartyPoison98@reddit
On "telling your parents", that's more to do with the dissolution of communities. People barely know their neighbours, let alone other people in their area. Kids respecting the authority of other adults relies on them actually knowing who their parents are, and themselves being worried that their parents might actually do something about it.
goldensnow24@reddit
Is 35 late?
Adorable_Run_2469@reddit
35 isn't late. All of my friends have had kids over 35 - the cost of having kids, their careers, being settled / house, money.
goldensnow24@reddit
OP probably outside London/(insert other expensive city). Smaller town folk still seem to have kids in their 20s.
YouNeedAnne@reddit
Online content has had 15 years of aggressive dopamine-dependency engineering built into it.
People say "oh, we had computer games, bever did us any harm". Well, see how little effect the games you played have on a kid these days. They're nothing compared to how addictive games and short-form content are designed to be.
The paradigm used to be "make the best thing you can then sell it for as much as possible", now it's "make as much money as you can", abd that's bled into subscription based gaming that keeps you hooked and trying to get 10 videos a minutes in front of your eyes.
CupofStea@reddit
How old are your kids? Mine complain when we go out and I'm kicking them off Roblox or whatever but stop once we're actually out the house they're fine and enjoy themselves. They used to sulk but grew out of it.
Now if I'm in the garden gardening or whatever they'll come out and hang out for a bit, sporadically but will spend majority of their time on their computers/phones if we've not got anything planned.
Just one of them things.
I don't begrudge them it, they do a lot more in school than I used to do and both do extracurricular activities (kickboxing and swimming)
Tasty_Candy3715@reddit
As an Indian, the disrespect doesn’t tend to happen in our culture. Anomolies, sure, but generally speaking - being considerate and respecting elders is the norm. Education and good morals is very valued.
Own_Art_2465@reddit
I thinkmwe could learn a lot from India and nearby Asian countries with how teachers are respected
Tasty_Candy3715@reddit
Yeah I hear you about dated traditions that don’t portray equality. I’m from the UK and it’s better over here. And with the newer generations I guess this will hopefully fade.
Sunshinetrooper87@reddit
How much of your culture involves thrashing another person who defies the current social norms?
Tasty_Candy3715@reddit
There’s bad apples in every culture. Most people are pretty chill.
Ok-Ambassador4679@reddit
I've umm'd and arr'd about introducing my kids to games. I've come to the hypothesis that games as family time is probably best, and not to let them play solo to save the addiction. Might not work, happy to give it a try.
Regarding the other bits... Socioeconomic status plays a huge role. Poverty means you're barely looking past your paycheck, so everything is short term. If your situation is pretty bad, your outlook on life is crap, who gives a shit if someone tells your parents about your bad selfish behaviour? They probably don't care, or exhibit those behaviours anyway. In removing opportunities, we've basically given kids no incentive to care.
Glass_Effect5624@reddit
I don’t think playing games per se causes such bad behaviours (it can contribute for sure). I lean more towards YouTube, watching videos of countless “reactions” and memes etc. I think that’s how kids end up challenging authority more (I mean teachers and adults etc) that they think they can get some sort of reaction and social credit from their peers. Basically it turns a lot more kids into the “class clown” type. And when you have classes etc full of them. They just egg each other on. That and schools are almost mandated it seems to keep kids in. At my kids school they use a yellow/red card system. I always ask if anyone got yellows/reds today (being nosy 😆) I hear the same names all the time, the most they get really is a letter home if they get several red cards. Unless they are doing something which is causing possibly harm or serious danger, there’s not a lot that can really be done I feel. And then of course the parents don’t back the teachers up half the time. I left Facebook but there’s been basically parent groups setup to moan etc against the schools and staff. To the point where the school have had to plead for parents to address issues with the school first rather than social media. It’s all bloody point scoring almost.
Ok-Ambassador4679@reddit
Yeah, I don't think games means bad behaviours. I was a games addict and I wasn't naughty, but I did miss out on a lot of social activities and didn't pursue any hobbies. I also write that down to lack of engagement from my parents in all my activities - it's easy to give a kid a games console and leave them to it. I don't want to do that.
I'm with you on social media, and speaking as an ex-teacher, I'm with you in the school front as well.
LancobusUK@reddit
I’m from the same generation and I cannot imagine having a childhood where I’m constantly contactable through many different methods. Just the thought of it is mentally draining. I also can’t imagine the weight of social media life expectations on the young mind. I’ve got a young daughter and I’m concerned about her ability to switch off when it comes to the sheer amount of technology noise. My parents grew up and worked in a time when a response to a question meant a letter in the post or telephone call, then slow transition to email. Now it’s instant chat messages and WhatsApp 24 hours a day in any corporate job. Absolute lunacy lol
Human_Inevitable_305@reddit
There’s so many safeguarding on children now and forms of abuse that gentle parenting is the preferred option (nothing wrong with gentle parenting). Of course protect all young people. But are you able to chastise without causing ‘trauma now’
There is less authority figures, even in the work place. Theres less respect for those types of set ups even in younger generation of adults now.
Everything is support orientated. Even in prisons now, its recovery orientated how do make sure x doesn’t reoffend.
Kids can really do no wrong and there’s always safeguards or risk of you being a bad person if you challenge certain things.
Big_Ruin8869@reddit
I played snes at night and football in the day.
Just keep them away from short form content and trash. Otho no wrong with YouTube, but TikTok and instagram are trash.
gggggenegenie@reddit
Somewhere, at some point, parents have decided their child can, do no wrong. Even when caught red handed (I'm a teacher), they will protect their child by any means necessary however small the offence.
What's caused this? Not sure. American influence? Litigation society? I don't know. But we're fighting a losing battle and I can't see how we can pull it back.
The parent who accepts the teacher's word on an offence is becoming rarer each year.
Adventurous-Tell454@reddit
My kid is ruled by his x box. We moved and he’s still been ruled by it. I felt major guilt that his childhood didn’t look how I thought it should. I approached some local parents and introduced myself and said I had a kid that would like to play out. Several people called over but my son lost interest quickly. Then he met this one friend and they’re out all the time. Giggling all the time. This was only a week ago and Xbox hasn’t been on once. For us it was just finding the right person. I do hope it sticks.
pipedreamweed@reddit
I work in a nursery and I can definitely see the difference between my generation and theirs. One of the main factors I think affects this is the slew of highly-stimulating video content that children consume, mostly on youtube. The people behind these videos make them for money first and the children's development second and it's clear as day to see. Constant moving, jump cuts, flashes, bright colours everywhere, over-animated voice acting. I theorise that it's messing with their dopamine tolerance, and they get bored and restless very easily as a result. This applies to babies and toddlers as well as older children and teenagers.
I do understand the idea of them rejecting authorative figures. In recent years there has been a lot more widespread coverage of evidence that people in these roles have wrongly abused their power, and I think children are more aware of that than most people realise. They recognise that these people are just people at the end of the day, they see how some of them get a kick of enforcing power without reason for their own gain, and that makes them understandably angry. It makes them cautious and question authority more, even when the authorative figure is right.
OverJohn@reddit
I do not own any children, but I agree the more recent versions seem to be of lower quality than I remember from when I was growing into a fully-formed human (I am a human).
Moniker_Geller7@reddit
No I agree with you, they’re a disgusting breed nowadays. Nothing like we used to be, and I say this as someone who’s only recently hit 30. I have an 18 year old sister so I’m not that many years off of meeting her at the school gates and knowing that what you’re saying is true.
An odd comment section; I would have assumed Redditors were in agreement that little shits of today are FAR worse than the little shits in the days of yore.
Mouse-Perfect@reddit
Well you're the one raising them, so if they're not turning out how you wanted, whose fault is that?
Rad_Raven_3272@reddit
People in 2025: young people are different People in 1987: young people are different
Palaceviking@reddit
Because we let them down, we sold the golden goose.
Malamazu@reddit
I think there’s a mixture of issues and overall I actually think the majority of kids are actually still decently behaved these days, it’s just the “bad” kids who have gotten worse with certain aspects who seem to stand out more and ruin it for everyone because frankly they have crap parents.
Social media & screen devices are a big issue, as is the deterioration in mental health, kids are being given devices unrestricted to the internet even as toddlers ffs!
In one class of 7yr olds I know through friends, there’s about a 1/3rd of them who are in WhatsApp groups swearing and sharing stuff that is not age appropriate at all. Their parents don’t care and there should be some oversight on this issue that compels them to act better
Our communities have lost third spaces and people are more guarded because of the doom and gloom news cycle. There’s more cars on the roads, so gone are the days where we used to play football in the road and yell car every 20 mins or so, to move out the way.
Toxic social media trends and online bullying have formed a sort of dismal reality for many kids too, and exam stress is worse. The two parent working situation and increase in single parents has led to a lot of kids being brought up on YouTube or TikTok to their detriment.
dick_piana@reddit
Ahh, the classical "kids have never been this bad" vs. "it's always been this way" thread filled with anecdotes
randymysteries@reddit
They haven't experienced a war that unites the nation.
misterpeers@reddit
Get off Reddit grandad.
BurstWaterPipe1@reddit
I can’t say whether your observations are right or just a slim representation of kids these days. My dad, who grew up in the sixties would definitely not have given a shit if you threatened to tell his parents on him.
It does feel like the social contract has broken down a bit, but in my experience kids are usually more polite than people 50+.
Dazzarooni@reddit
I was born in 1980. I find the kids today far more respectful than my generation. They are also more health conscious and less likely to be in the pub every night (18 year old 'kids'). They also seem less interested in fighting with each other. Although I'm sure some still do
doepfersdungeon@reddit
Maybe it's the patents?
Pretty-Economy-5369@reddit
I agree it’s the parents. My kid loves playing outside. Anytime the weather is nice she is outside playing on the street. Alone or with neighbours kids. Any time she spends inside she finds it a waste. She does watch tv and coz of the UK weather we have lots of toys to keep her occupied on days the weather is horrible. But she absolutely is not allowed to be on the screen all day, even if it means sacrificing our own personal needs to keep her engaged
XihuanNi-6784@reddit
It is actually the parents that changed. Lots of helicopter parenting and refusal to let them outside or to let them experience autonomy. As well as an overcorrection to provide 'too much' autonomy in terms of defiance, tantrums, not respecting teachers and other kids. The amount of parents who side with kids over any other adult, especially teachers, is way too high now.
Canipaywithclaps@reddit
Thissss.
Parents will let their kids watch endless tablets, instead of just opening the back door and ignoring them for a few hours (god forbid they have to use their imagination).
Norman_debris@reddit
Of course it is.
It's so weird how parents allow unlimited access to screens and then complain about their own children's behaviour.
ashisanandroid@reddit
Unlikely to be a matter of IP ownership. In fact, I think our patent law is broadly a good thing.
doepfersdungeon@reddit
Ha updated. IP law is solid.
ashisanandroid@reddit
Ha - I appreciated the different perspective!
UsagiBlondeBimbo@reddit
I second this. If you are struggling with your child's IP there are some good solicitors that can be found through a Google search.
BoredReceptionist1@reddit
This made me spit out my tea. Thanks for the laugh
Cass25208877@reddit
Back in the 90's and early 2000s as a kid apart from going running and boxing I stayed indoors just playing computer games.
My nieces, nephews, younger cousins now they play on console etc but they are more health driven and hit the gym, socialise more through media and they are out on their motorbikes for a few hours on a weekend.
In fact they probably are more social and mature/grown up nowadays than a lot back then and are a lot more active healthwise, they just aren't doing all the same activities.
Even as I got through my teen years and enjoyed camping and bushcraft etc I can and will easily spend just as much time indoors playing computer games. Even now.
ufos1111@reddit
Austerity deprived them of a decent childhood.
what_joy@reddit
Things are just different, and yes, you have rose tinted glasses. That's normal, every generation does this.
90s kids didn't spend enough time outdoors cos of their SNES and MegaDrive. 00s kids didn't spend enough time outdoors cos of their PS2 and Xbox. Etc. Until you get to today, kids don't spend enough time outdoors cos of phones.
Kids do sp3nd time outdoors, lots of it. Parents do tend to focus on the not outdoors bit.
Kids will spend 4 hours out with friends kicking a ball about or swimming stupidly in a dangerous part of the local river, but 5 minutes into gaming or phone stuff, suddenly their parents think they're inside too much...
Iainfletcher@reddit
You’re getting a lot of shit from the younger end of Reddit but mine are 10 and 15 and I’d agree. I was a massive video game playing nerd and my teenage social life was leagues ahead of my daughters who is a popular kid in school. There’s just a lost less social interaction and you’re right a lot less respect for any authority. I think the latter comes from internet culture a bit and this loss of authority figures generally. And the kids seem fine, just a bit dull and needlessly mardy but I’m sure my parents thought the same.
No_Square1035@reddit
Because generations are different…?
Bartellomio@reddit
It's a combination of things
Missing several years of school, where they should have matured and become more intelligent.
Tiktok and other apps which have reduced attention spans dramatically, and conditioned users to require constant mental stimulation in order to pay attention.
AI being used to fully replace critical thinking for those who haven't ever had to develop critical thinking themselves, and being used to cheat in education.
Shows like Cocomelon overstimulating children and making them numb to most normal stimuli.
Online content aimed at kids which is far less regulated and controlled than that which even older Gen Z grew up with.
Advertisers being forbidden from directly advertising to kids, so they include kids in the 18-25 market, which has led to the erosion of teen culture, and resulted in children being treated like adults before they're ready.
PerkeNdencen@reddit
I don't know. I was a city kid. I had a good ball for of 5 minutes before it got nicked by bigger kids, and that was the end of it. Of course I went out in the sun, but we just hung around where we weren't supposed to and got up to (harmless) tomfoolery. Like I'm not going to pretend any of that was a super productive use of our free time and that today's kids with their iPhones or whatever are intrinsically worse. They're not.
As for respecting authority... it depends what you mean, but just being scared of coppers isn't very good. I suspect our experiences were similar in that regard: I spent my teenage years avoiding authority because I knew they could make my life hell. Unfortunately, that meant that when serious shit actually went down, who did we have to turn to? Absolutely fucking nobody.
Well that escalated quickly... I'm just saying... the 90s really wasn't all that. Maybe it's time to let it go?
JavaRuby2000@reddit
80s / 90s kid too. Older than you. Couldn't stand football. At the seaside just wanted to go in the arcades. Used to throw rocks at police cars in order to "get a chase".
Your kids just have different interests to you and you can't mould them into be interested in the things you want. Kids get their values from their peers more than their parents.
thmt11@reddit
Can’t beat them. Not scared of no one. No respect or discipline. Back in Asia. If a kid misbehave in public any adult can beat them. Take them back to their house to their parents and shame them. No kid would misbehave after that. There’s a difference in beating your kids to discipline them and beating the shit out of them. This country doesn’t like that. Difference in your kids being scared of you and having fear of you. If they’re not scared of you, the parent. They ain’t scared of no one in public. Obviously not being scared of your parents all the time but they should know to be scared if they misbehave their parents will punish them. Respect and discipline all starts from home.
sara61wilson@reddit
You can take the tech away and replace it with something fun. Dont expect them to “be social” unless you are willing to teach. Limit their screen time to 30 - 60 minutes a day.
They are watching you so you must also do the same
Nobody is scared of authority anymore because of cancel culture. Kids these days are very savvy and very aware of the world around them.
Honest-Possible6596@reddit
It won’t be a popular thing for some people to read, but a large proportion of the problem actually is bad parenting coupled with over reliance on technology. I’m around kids a lot in my work, and I see parents trying to negotiate with them to behave instead of being firm. They sit them on iPads instead of engaging with them or dealing with them, then act surprised that the kid has a tantrum when the technology is taken away. We’ve taught kids they never have to be bored, and they never have to engage, because they can just sit with their tech all day. Meanwhile the parents sit scrolling their phones instead of minding the kids, giving them attention or actively engaging with them. They put them in their rooms on computer games instead of taking them into the real world to help them develop social skills. Children see the shitty way that people talk to each other online and take that out into the real world. Police, teachers, social workers, even neighbours, have all been stripped of any sense of authority and kids know it. If I pissed about as a kid, that news would get home before I did. If I lipped off at someone, they’d tell me off and then so would my parents when I got home. Now, most parents are more likely to go and give a gobful themselves, or mouth off on Facebook.
Creative-Piece7888@reddit
This
Ethimir@reddit
Respect is earned. If you teach your kids to go "I'm a kiss ass" then that's not a good lesson. It will only cause them to go "I have to stroke your ego/vanity".
They will be taken advantage of.
They will be used.
Discarded.
Struggle.
They will learn that life isn't fair.
This is what to prepare for.
My dad taught me two lessons. He used to work at a casino.
1: If something seems too good to be true, it probably is.
2: The game is rigged.
Toss in some Sun Tzu for good measure. "Know thy enemy."
UnlikelyChemistry949@reddit
As a teacher, I honestly think the dangers of screen time cannot be underestimated. Personally I wouldn't allow any tablet/phone screens at all, so only TV really. I really think it alters their brains in ways we don't yet fully understand
Parking_Dear@reddit
I mean these days you get thrown in jail for saying you're English
ghin6@reddit
I’m sure your parents though similar when you were a kid. The generations change as do their environment it is not their fault neither yours. Societal norms change whether you think it’s a change for the better is down to ones perception
Dominico10@reddit
Kids get taught online by proxy parents like speed and such. Imagine if you left your kids with that guy for a week. Well technically they are left with him as they surf online. These kids thrive on being turds basically. Then add in the teaching, most teachers now lean strongly left and have a broken view of history, authority and the police etc so this bleeds into the kids.
Its pressures of societal influence which are quite negative in the west. Some kids see through it but many dont.
If you compare to Asia where they are taught manners and respect rhe difference is night and day.
I also think kids get too much freedom nowadays, to run wild in shops or do what they want which all breeds bad behavior imho.
Lumpy_Ad7951@reddit
The main reason is that I think the world is going to shit (perhaps it always has been in some way) and they can see that before they’re ready due to social media
I remember being just 14 and everyone talking about watching a guy on fb split his back open with a machete and if you hadn’t watched it you weren’t “cool”
Search-Infamous@reddit
You sound real old brother and I. Sure your not . This is how it. Goes
Lukechook@reddit
I'm 18 so have been a kid pretty recently! i used to be like that, always begging for more time on a computer or for a new game. at the time my motivations were two things: my friends were on there! a lot of my friends lived far apart and we couldn't always just walk to eachothers houses after school so we played Minecraft on call together! the second thing was fomo/insecurity. i was always and still am the weird kid and at the time i hated that. i saw that other kids had phones or games so i begged and begged for the same because i wanted to be "normal". then getting older makes you realise you don't want to be normal cus that doesn't make you happy, you just want to be allowed to be you. so now that getting online is less urgent of a need for me, I'm on there much less. i love the outdoors and still beg my dad to come hiking with me every holiday or long weekend. I've developed some computer based hobbies- drawing mostly, but that's creativity! there isn't really a digital equivalent of sports but for kids who love writing or film or art, those hobbies have in part moved online now. they'll grow out of the sulky phase when they get older and see how annoying sulky kids are. that's what happened with me and my sibling. plus the resistance to being pulled off devices, for me, was because i was worried it would shatter the """"normal"""" façade i had built up if my peers knew i had device time. but now I'm the least addicted to my phone of my friends and actively encourage them to set their own limits- once my parental controls ended on my phone when i got old enough, i set my own up because phones are stupid addictive and i don't want to spend my life in there. maybe they just don't have anything to do that they're more excited for.
Optimal_Collection77@reddit
I'm 45 and jesus you sound old. 35 isnt that old to have kids but christ, lighten up
You grew up with the same technology as these kids but phones have moved on.
Let them grow up and don't judge them
Fattydog@reddit
This is not a good place to post this. People on Reddit will tend to skew young and more tech-y.
They’ll see nothing wrong with gaming 8 hours a day.
Old person here. I played outside a lot, but also read, watched tv a lot too. There were long periods in the winter when we couldn’t play outside at all.
My son (30) was pretty much the same although TV was replaced by gaming for his generation. It didn’t harm him at all. We had a timer plug on the router so he couldn’t access the internet after a certain time.
Smartphones and 24 hr access to videos and gaming is problematic and parents need to ensure the whole household has web free time.
i-love-rum@reddit
Controversial and there's definitely a fine line but could it be that children don't fear their parents? Genuinely asking as I have no kids
Simiric@reddit
Don’t worry nor does anyone else in this thread it’s painfully obvious
pablothewizard@reddit
I never feared my parents as a kid and I never got into serious trouble once. You can set firm boundaries as a parent without your child needing to fear you.
In fact, if ever I find out that my son is scared of me, I'd feel like an immense failure.
Throwawaythedocument@reddit
I think there needs to be the capacity of fear to form respect.
I never feared my parents, but I knew that no meant no, and if I was asked to do something politely, I'd get one warning if I kicked off or tried to get out of doing it, if I didn't then firm or raised voices would come out, or just an outright grounding with my parents enforcing it to the T.
I never once got a slap or got hit, that I can recall. but when I pushed limits there were consequences. And honestly, those consequences were administered rarely, because I remembered that and feared that redlines would be stuck to. And to be honest, after 12 years old the punishments were usually administered cause I was a hormonal teen who would go from 1 to a 100 very quickly. I do not resent those lines being enforced. I taught me that I'd really have to control impulses.
pablothewizard@reddit
We're saying the same thing then, you didn't fear your parents, neither did I. But they set boundaries and rigid consequences if they were crossed.
You can do that without needing your child to fear you. Knowing that there's a consequence you won't like for crossing a boundary is not the same as fear at all.
Throwawaythedocument@reddit
I guess the issue becomes a problem when children just disregard the punishment.
IDK how parent's can enforce the punishment now.
"You're grounded for a week. You can have your phone when you leave for school but not in the house. No going out. We are bringing your laptop and games console downstairs so you can't play it, removing your TV."
"No mum and dad, you're not having my phone."
What do you do then? Do you forcefully take it from them? What happens if they resist, or hit you? I'm not advocating for slapping a child, however kids and teens push boundaries a lot and if they disregard those boundaries because there's no real consequence, they just will not give a shit.
pablothewizard@reddit
Well how do kids today differ from us?
I had consequences for naughty behaviour from a young age, by the time I was older it was engrained.
You can restrict the WiFi and all sorts these days. There's still plenty of things you can do, if you can be arsed.
Throwawaythedocument@reddit
Guess that's an option. And I'd say I think that's part of an issue, kids have so many ways to be content at home.
I remember when I was 14 and had had a fight with my sibling, so my parents took everything from my room that was fun. Which was:
My laptop, PSP, and non-school books.
They missed my note and sketch pad.
I think I'd need an Excel spreadsheet to log everything to turn off and remove based on the tech kids have these days.I'm in my 30s and I swear they have more than me!
jugglingstring@reddit
I smack my kids daily and they still misbehave at school
Emperors-Peace@reddit
Have you considered upgrading to punching? See if that helps?
Sad-Passage-3247@reddit (OP)
With good reason, I feared my dad and not my mum. Them splitting when I was 10, probably saved my mum, sister, and I. But even when he couldn't raise his hand to me any more, I didn't take advantage of that and give my mum hell.
Wasn't an angel. My friends and I did the underage drinking together with a twist. We went to the cliffs to do ours☺️ But I've always been close to my mum and hate that I live so far away from her now.
ShoTime369@reddit
We got skelped
becpuss@reddit
Honestly I’ve spent the last 20yrs in education I’ve watched the decline of our children’s childhood they no longer play at home it’s all devices but play is not valued but is an essential need children work out their difficulties through play and family time has disappeared not forgetting the services that supported parents who are struggling closed lack of adequate funding for special educational needs and social services and Mental health of course generational trauma is still being passed down additionally a whole world wide scary pandemic massively impacted families in numbers of different ways technology is killing Play and creativity technology definitely has a place but not at the expense of play. I say that as a play therapist and gamer if each child jet can art journal they drew in every evening as wind down activity children would go to bed a little bit freer
Rare_Kick_3378@reddit
Technology has changed every thing
salahiswashed@reddit
35 isn’t that late to be a dad is it?
Euphoric-Newspaper18@reddit
I became a dad for the first time at 40, then again at 42.
thuneverlose@reddit
Because they don't have a future, and they know it!
Think about it, BEST case scenario what will their lives be like in 30 years? Living in worker accomodation with 18 other blokes for a tenth of the minimum wage?
Because there won't be any high paying work for them, and there won't be any government support for them. So unless you're truly loaded and can afford to give them a good life, they know that all they have is today. And when you look at life through this lense, petty little things like authority figures suddenly don't matter.
Sorry pops.
AkihabaraWasteland@reddit
All people say this when they get old. Been happening for thousands of years.
Right now is the safest time it has been to be a kid in the history of human civilisation.
teachbirds2fly@reddit
Frosty-Series6301@reddit
Respect has to be earned. Being overtly disrespectful is a problem, but not fearing adults/police is a good thing. It means kids are thinking for themselves which is a trait starting with Thatcher that governments have tried to suppress.
AdvantageSeveral9693@reddit
As an ex-teacher in a very rough UK school I think it’s schools, parents and the internet.
Schools - have misunderstood the trauma-informed approach to behaviour and often seem to have no real consequences to bad behaviour. It is incredibly hard (teachers leave the profession after an average of 5 years, many citing that they literally don’t feel safe at work). It’s also incredibly upsetting feeling you can’t protect kids from each other.
Parents - again a real lack of discipline at home. About half the time I’d call home with a behaviour incident the parent would side with their child. My parents (I was born in the 90s) would NEVER have done this.
Internet - kids are exposed to tech that is literally designed to be addictive and often have very few boundaries around it.
I have to say, I might be biased not yet being a parent, but I think awful parenting is the biggest cause. Even if your child has boundaries and you parent them well, they’re hanging out with peers all the time whose parents refuse to set boundaries and don’t control their kids’ access to tech properly.
homeruleforneasden@reddit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_gap
QtheMagnificent@reddit
Being a Dad for the first time at 35 is considered late? :-l
The-Father-Time@reddit
A lot of people just hate authority figures now and then filters down to their kids
Cunthbert@reddit
My theory is that nowadays a lot of the younger generation are basically brought up and spend most of their time online, whereas us oldies grew up either without the internet or it was something you spent a (relatively) small amount of time on. This means that a lot of the younger generation don’t know how to interact or behave correctly in the real world, a bit like if you hardly went online but then played a life simulator game, you wouldn’t be 100% familiar with the culture of it.
pigeon_in_a_suit@reddit
A generation is only as good as the generation that raised them. Look inwards rather than pointing fingers at kids.
Yes, technology and social media have changed the way we think, behave and interact - but we as parents are the ones that allowed that and continue to allow it.
Leave the kids alone.
Obvious-Water569@reddit
The kids in the 80s and 90s were wildly different compared to kids 50s and 60s and they were different to kids from the 20s and 30s.
One thing has remained constant throughout those generations though... Their elders all thought kids were better when they were kids themselves.
Training-Ad-4625@reddit
I think the real difference now is that the changes are occurring so rapidly and universally that parents don't have a chance to catch up. I'm an 80s kid and my childhood wasn't that significantly different to my parents. colour tv and shoulder pads perhaps! the difference between the 80s and now is enormous.
JohnFresh669@reddit
Were you beaten as a child, or did you receive physical punishment? Not long ago teachers were allowed to physically punish pupils, and they didn't even have to. They were also allowed to mentally dominate and put pupils in their place. Now their jobs are in danger if they even remotely insult an unruly child, or make them feel bad because of their actions.
I'm not in the UK, but I've seen how the police acts now. They don't get respect, or have authority, because there is nothing to respect. They pander to criminals, while acting tough with people who have done nothing wrong. Because they are cowards, nothing else.
In the past it was the opposite, criminals were violently beaten, sometimes unnecessarily, and regular people could chat with the police in good faith, without being threatened over petty nonsense.
iceystealth@reddit
So teachers should be allowed to physically assault or mentally abuse students?
Violence does not bring respect, it brings fear, which in turn breeds resentment, hated and more violence.
I was physically and mentally abused growing up. Took 20 years to become a semi functioning adult; it took therapy and treatment to control my anger and trust issues and I still suffer with the depression and anxiety the behaviours of a monster inflicted on me; all because that excuse for a human could not find any other way than violence.
As long as I breathe, I would never allow that to be inflicted on a child.
JohnFresh669@reddit
Sorry to hear you were abused as a child. I think there's a difference with senseless beatings and corrective physical punishments. I think it's different to get spanked when you do something bad versus getting spanked every day when your dad comes home drunk. In the generations before us, most if not all children were physically punished in some way. Yet most of them turned out to be seemingly well functioning adults.
I think teachers should be able to verbally put children in their place, if a child thinks they are being clever, an adult should be able to ridicule them for their behavior easily. Because that's what is going to happen when they grow up, and then they will get temper tantrums as an adult, because they've never been knocked off their high horse as a child.
iceystealth@reddit
I disagree, belittling or ridiculing someone is a form of bullying. It would not be acceptable to do that to another adult. And frankly it would set a bad example to other kids; if they see an authority figure using those methods, they could take the idea that it is the right thing to do.
It is entirely possible to assert control and discipline without resorting to such methods. My father never shouted at me, never belittled me. If I was misbehaving; he would take me to one side, put his hand on my shoulder and look me in the eye. He would then calmly explain what I was doing wrong and why I shouldn’t be doing what I was doing. I never feared him; I learnt that my behaviour disappointed him and I didn’t want to do that. That lead me respecting him as my father and a good example.
I’ve had teachers who were the same; they could control a pupil or the entire class by treating the kids with respect. Not as equals, the teachers still very much made it clear they were charge; same as both my parents did.
Respect is earned, and should never be expected or demanded. The easiest way to gain respect is show someone respect to begin with. I don’t know where I heard it, but it stuck with me; cowards rule with fear; men lead with respect. And remember, respecting does not mean you have to like them.
You are right, many who were spanked etc growing up became perfectly healthy adults, and probably decent parents if they had children of their own. But there many for where that didn’t happen and we can’t ignore that.
In my case it was far more than a simple spanking; but hopefully you can see why my view in regards physically punishment upon a child is the way it is.
FireLadcouk@reddit
Dont believe the hype.
StrikingTonight150@reddit
I am not sure if children these days lack of respect. They are just not afraid. Authority figures were scary. I didn’t respect them but I was indeed so scared of them. I personally like the fact that children today are not filled by threats.
SuccotashCareless934@reddit
Smart phones and endless scrolling on social media, with every single company out there doing whatever they can to keep kids hooked and their audience guaranteed - and so they can sell all their details to companies, in order to make money. It really is that simple - social media/smart phones essentially take away rights of passage and wreck the ability to communicate 'in person'. Look at the amount of kids with ADHD, anxiety etc. I'm a teacher and I see each new Year 7 cohort getting progressively worse - they can't interact with each other, have no conflict resolution, can't focus for longer than 30 seconds at a time in many cases, say something is "boring" after five minutes (on last days of school, they'll ask for a movie, then it's 'boring' after 5 minutes...)
Read 'The Anxious Generation' - excellent book and it explains a lot about how kids today are growing up.
Individual-Meeting@reddit
The lack of respect thing has been being said since the 60s hasn't it... 100% remember this being said about my generation in the 00s.
The technology thing is scary though.
Fruitpicker15@reddit
My manager and I are older millennials and we find the 16-20 year olds working there are different than we were when it comes to work. She's at her wits end really. It's a job where weekend work is part of the job but they're requesting more time off than they spend at work. When it's rejected there's a showdown in the office. They often complain about how unfair it is when they're told to do something, that their parents charge them rent etc. The thing is they aren't bad people but motivating them at work and getting things done is impossible and we can't work out why.
tintin1811@reddit
Yeah this post resonates with me.
38, 2 children 6 and 4.
I was the same as a child. Football mad, but also playing computer games etc.
But it feels like children now seem to be so confident, their childhood is shrinking massively with technology and phones, so they're exposed to so much more, but it's frequently 'shocking' incidents that go viral, so I think it normalises that kind of behaviour.
Then they seem to have no fear/respect for elders, which I appreciate is what every generation has said. But thinking back, my grandad wore a shirt and tie at home in retirement.
Everyone will be slobbing about in nike tracksuits and air force 1s in old people homes.
Glittering_Effect_38@reddit
This behaviour of kids is inspired by bunch of parents who got kids when they never wanted them first the problem is parents are very possessive about their kids more than parents the school are treating them like fragile fairies their mistake isn't their anymore and nobody can blame kids coz social services can take them raising your kid in uk is like raising a kid in jungle!
IEnumerable661@reddit
Former guitar teacher here.
I would add on the usual "it's generational" thing, but I don't think so.
At some point I stopped point blank taking anyone under age 15. I felt that was a good cut off point, kids were just taking GCSEs and were either disciplined enough to want to do some work on it and be vocal in what they wanted to do. Prior to that age, kids went from being the parentally motivated grade factories to having very little to no respect or even comprehension of civility.
I did keep lesson guitars here so kids didn't always have to bring an instrument if they were on the bus, etc. I have had young kids throw them on the ground, even go about swearing and being generally insulting. I stared just insisting parents remained present for lessons, either sat next door with a cuppa, or in the room with headphones. But I found even the parents struggled to keep kids under control.
Frankly, I had enough. There is a general smarm about it and usually starts off with, "Well, like, google says XYZ!"
Personally I think it's a mixture of parents instilling discipline from a young age and attitude to education. Growing up in the 1990s, education couldn't be replaced by factoids on the other end of a google search. They were either taught in a classroom, or you would have to go to the library to actually research a topic. I remember a few projects I had to do, one was on John Keats, the other was on Michael Faraday. Google wasn't around, even Altavista wasn't around. The best we had was Encarta on the school 386s but really the meat came from spending an evening or two in the library, photocopying bits of relevance, all to make notes with and then hand-write an essay on.
I have no idea, do kids do things to that level anymore?
I was trying to explain the major modes to one kid and I asked if he understood. He simply said, "yeah circle of fifths!" I knew straight away he had just taken that phrase from some internet thing he had seen and that was the sum total of knowledge. I segued and asked how it would apply here. I was expecting him to give a complete bullshit response. Instead he just said, "I'll google it later!" as if to say move on.
I'm not surprised school teachers today are negative about today's generation. The respect at some point, late 2000s I would say, just vanished overnight. Not just for others but even for themselves.
I know that's not a popular opinion. I just had my first kid, a daughter, a few days ago. My hope is that I'll do a good job on her but ultimately, you have parental authority figure that's competing actively with kids in the playground with far less scruples who will just undermine that with a "just make AI do it" and job done.
butwhatsmyname@reddit
TL;DR: The culture of shame and ridicule for "bad parenting" has faded significantly over the last 50+ years, it's no longer acceptable to scare, hurt, and punish kids like it used to be, and without negative consequences humans tend to naturally act in their own self interest.
I guess my take on the 'respect for authority' bit is:
In the past, parents and teachers were allowed to physically hurt children as a punishment. The police also weren't held to the higher standards of expected behaviour that exist today. No more "falling down the steps to the ground floor cells".
There were also much higher standards against which families and individuals were judged in their communities, and bringing shame on yourself and your family was a much bigger deal. Being excluded and ridiculed in your community was a big problem.
So it was WAY less likely that a parent would allow their kid to behave in a way that could shame them. And they were more likely to administer harsh punishments for doing so.
I am in no way saying that this was right. Taking a belt to your 8 year old because Ronnie down the corner shop said he heard she'd been using bad language, and the village would be gossiping about you after church if you didn't give her a sharp lesson, was never a worthy reason to have your children living in fear of you.
This has tailed off since maybe the 60s, but its cultural shadow remains. Expectations and cultural norms take a VERY long time to wash out.
These days children are less afraid of physical punishment, but parents are also less afraid of public shame and ridicule. You don't have to physically hurt a child to teach them better behaviour, but you do have to discipline them and set meaningful boundaries.
It's very hard for a child to learn how to be respectful and behave well if nobody is showing them how to do that, and if there are no consequences for failing to do that. We've all seen kids wandering around in shops or restaurants making trouble or causing damage, and there are no consequences for the parent that lets that happen. If someone calls them out on it, they can yell and be outraged and storm off and it's very unlikely that they'll suffer anything worse - or see any reason to change their behaviour. And their child sees this and learns that this is how to behave.
I definitely think that all through modern history there have probably always been the same kind of shitty, careless, neglectful parents who alternate between ignoring and screaming at their ever-more-feral kids. The proper troublemakers that we all tried to stay away from at school, and who probably went on to do exactly the same to another generation of screamed-at and ignored kids.
This isn't about that. That doesn't change. That's about a closed cycle of dysfunction not a cultural shift.
This is about the wider cultural shift away from small communities utilising - and weaponising - shame and exclusion, and moving more towards an individualistic mindset. Culturally it's now much more acceptable for people of all ages to do shitty, annoying, inconvenient things for social media attention than ever before. Promoting and prioritising yourself, the things you want, is now very definitely more of a goal and a priority than considering what's good for your community, or even just what might inconvenience the people immediately around you.
The expectations have changed, the priorities have changed, and the consequences have changed.
Think of it this way: a group of three 15 year old girls get on a bus in a medium sized town. They play music out loud on a device, laugh and yell at the top of their voices, sing along, dance around a bit.
In 2025, they probably get some sideways looks, but they're probably filming themselves and nobody wants to get involved in that. And if anyone did ask them to quiet down, they'd expect to get screaming and abuse back at best. The worst that would happen is that the driver might tell them to get off, but he can't physically touch them. Even if somehow their parents were contacted, there's no guarantee they would care, they might feel that nobody else should be telling their kids what to do.
In 1985, someone would have snapped at them to sit down and stop making a bloody racket. Someone on the bus would likely have known one of their parents or family members - "I know your uncle Danny. Just wait till I tell him what you've been up to!" Their parents would likely have been mortified that other people in the community saw their children being loud and unruly. They would be afraid that their own peers would see them as bad parents, bad people, and they might find themselves made fun of or frozen out. They'd likely punish the kids, and shame/humiliate them to keep them in line in the future. They would have lost some of the respect of the people whose respect they valued.
Was that better? Probably not. But we know that - if left to do what they please without any consequences - humans don't naturally develop the habit of meaningfully considering the people around them. Sharing has to be taught. Empathy has to be demonstrated and discussed. It's not that we're not capable of it without it being thrashed into us. It's that it's a habit and a consideration like any other and must be learned and practised to be consistently applied.
How is all of this meant to work when "the respect of the people that we value" is measured in likes from strangers on our phones over the needs and feelings of the people whose lives our behaviour impacts?
I don't know. And I don't know how this looks in the future either.
Brilliant-Salt-5829@reddit
I am an older millenial and recognize a lot of what you say in my own childhood
I think the gap between gen x and millennial childhood is bigger than the gap between millennial and gen alpha childhood
ServerLost@reddit
Go and shout at some clouds, you'll feel better.
HonkersTim@reddit
This is highly subjective, and probably depends where you live. When I meet teenagers these days I am usually struck by how polite they are compared to teenagers in my day (the 80s). Having said that I live in a pleasant market town an hour outside of London.
Ok-Emu-5234@reddit
People ITT acting like nothing has changed in the last 20 years and it's the same old generational bollocks.
Social media is new and has poisoned the minds of the entire planet there's no way it has no effect on the kids.
Also it's now essentially legal to steal what you want in this country, every rat chav knows they're untouchable and the police do nowt, definitely wasn't the case in the 80s.
AstaraArchMagus@reddit
The ever eternal cycle of 'these damn kids' continues onwards.
xboxseriesSdank@reddit
I went to the Sainsburys local just not too long ago in the 'after school run'
Let me explain the scene
1) guy praying in corner of the shop blocking people
2) all kids fat
3) lady looks at the queue for the self check out, jumps the queue and walks out slowly so completely purposeful
4) kid picking up and throwing back pastries like they're picking fruit
5) lady rams her kids buggy into me (with kid inside) so I move out the way so she can buy some pringles.
6) guy asks sainsburys worker to "give him" something from the fridge - no please no thank just "give me that" and points and walks off
it's just the general lack of courtesy and respect to others and a the death of the general default position of being king but firm to others that is vanishing in London at an alarming rate - something that I as a kid was rammed into my head as being the substance of our nation
Fine_Jury_5821@reddit
I am a private teacher, I teach homeschooled kids and also tutor school kids. From my observation, many parents complain about their kinds not doing things that they themselves dont do. Or they struggle to do. Similar with technology- they dont want their kids to use is it "so much" by they dont offer/teach an alternative and the kids see their own parents glued to their phones.
On the other hand, some families that are let's say "sporty" incorporated routines since early childhood and it became something natural for the kids to do, just a regular part of their life, just like sleeping or eating.
This is my observation, it may not be statistically valid, of course. Additionally, things like covid have definitely changed the society and the way we socialise. But I also blame the breakdown of the concept of community, which started way before Covid. I have just moved to a smaller coastal town and I feel my life has improved drastically purely because of the sense of community. People on Reddit often complain how kids can't play outside on their own anymore. They can, but not in a big city where true communities dont really exist anymore. In terms of authority, I also think it's down to lack of tightly-knit communities.
fitsu@reddit
Video games are 1000x more stimulating than pretty much anything else in the world, so it kinda makes sense kids gravitate to them.
Kids always rebel against authority figures, normally because those authority figures go by the “do as I say not as I do” motto. The only difference now is the kids can’t get beaten into submission.
OutsideWishbone7@reddit
This is exactly what every generation of parents say.
MyDadsGlassesCase@reddit
My dad used to say that my generation had no respect.
His dad used to say that my dad's generation had no respect.
His dad used to say...
Well, you get where I'm going with this
SocieteRoyale@reddit
a lot of 'old man yells at cloud' energy in this post
TrueMog@reddit
It’s very easy to say that this is somebody being paranoid and every generation had the same issue.
And while that is true to an EXTENT, there is a definite truth in what the OP is saying. The modern overreliance on technology has definitely affected this generation in a way that wasn’t true with my generation (same as OPs).
You even see babies with tablets and phones now. Technology is in every part of our everyday lives essentially from birth. We as adults were introduced to it very gradually. I didn’t even get a brick phone until my mid to late teens.
My first access to a computer was through a family computer that was in a shared space. Me and my friends still sent letters and social media barely existed.
Now obviously none of this is inherently virtuous! The problem is our children are now the first generation truly growing up like this.
They are accessing the Internet and social media very early. There are risks that we have no idea who they are speaking to online or what they are watching. Not to mention it’s leading to very early accidental exposure to violence and pornography.
Social media enhances things like bullying and making it hard for our children to truly “turn off” when they are at home. Not to mention some young men have had so much access to extreme pornography they can’t enjoy normal sex anymore (this is the case for a younger colleague at my husband’s workplace and the idea is truly awful).
And that’s only a couple of the effects. In all honesty, we don’t really know a lot of the long-term impacts (because they haven’t happened yet).
However, you can’t just block your children from accessing the Internet because all their friends are doing it. If you prevent them for access on the Internet, you prevent them from keeping and nurturing their friendships.
My son is only five so I am still at the point where I can control his Internet consumption. However, eventually there’s going to be some real difficult decisions to make!
BetApprehensive7147@reddit
This may sound convoluted and farfetched, but Jo Frost supernanny started started the devolution of discipline. Growing up i would mostly be out on my bmx or playing football, I knew if I was out of line I would get belted. These were the days when pretty much any public worker could give you a clip round the ear, unfortunately nowadays you have to fill out a form that meets dei requirements, fill out a risk assessment, ensure the carbon footprint is negative and then pay ulez. As kids we would have a little bit of fear instilled in us. Now, kids have zero fear of any consequence because there isn't any.
Familiar_Chance5848@reddit
to add, my cousin is the head of a primary school and the experiences she shared of how kids have behaved since the pandemic are terrifying.
Sexual assaults, physical assaults, language, all learned behaviour from social media or parents.
spinningdice@reddit
As a child of the 80s my mum had to bribe me to go out, so I'm not convinced that much has changed - though with the advent of the internet it's far easier to find communities that share interests online than it often is in person.
We also have a generation that's raised with news of police brutality, environmental collapse and out of touch elders/leaders, we can look back on decades of failed promises of better lives, it' not surprising that there's a lack of respect.
Familiar_Chance5848@reddit
I blame Thatcher, that’s when the “I’m alright, Jack” attitude set in.
Before anyone says it, “family values” has nothing to do with anything. Parents today are products of Thatcher’s legacy, see it all the time in entitled behaviour on school runs, road rage, consumerism and the “I want it now” attitudes that have permeated every strata of our society
UsagiBlondeBimbo@reddit
You mentioned that you don't know what "good parenting" looks like maybe start there. There's probably a ton of resources online that could help you. The Internet maybe "ruining" our children but it can also be used as a tool to better them. All the knowledge is out there we just got to sift through the crap to get to the good stuff.
Sad-Passage-3247@reddit (OP)
What i mean by that is, "Who am I to say my way is right?"
UsagiBlondeBimbo@reddit
Your results will tell you that you're right. If you're not happy with your results then change what you are doing.
ThierryMercury@reddit
They're not. Every generation thinks the generation that follow it are disrespectful and lazy.
Late-Champion8678@reddit
This is a bit of an odd question to post. Older people (I’m older people too lol) have ALWAYS ánd will ALWAYS complain about the kids of the day ánd ‘in my day blah blah’.
They/we complain about them not going outside to play like we used to but we are simultaneously more fearful that there’s a predator hiding around every corner ánd outside is full of danger.
They/we complain about them throwing fits when their gadgets get taken away. But WHO gave them these gadgets in the first place? Who else is parking their young ones in front of the TV/Tablet to keep them quiet?
They/we complain about them being soft for getting ‘participation’ trophies, but my dude, they didn’t give themselves these trophies.
Kids are not supposed to raise themselves or be left to be raised by their teachers. That job falls to parents. When I see whiny, entitled children, I will always look at the parents. That entitlement (for most, not all) didn’t appear from nowhere.
If you truly feel children are worse now, you should be looking at the generation who came before them. Who raised them (or not).
To be clear, I am not saying that bad parenting is the source of all of these; even the very best of parents can end up with worst of children despite their best efforts. But that doesn’t apply to the majority of those kids.
Most kids go through their AH phases and it’s the job of parents to continue guiding them through those phases to, hopefully, produce decent, functioning adults.
Technology has definitely changed young people, some for the worse. So much information at your finger tips but if there are no responsible parents/guardians to help them navigate the internet; to not accept everything online at face value (often because their parents aren’t media literate either), it is incredibly easy to stray into questionable ánd sometimes hateful and harmful content.
Much like ‘boomers’ who get their research from Facebook rather than seek out multiple sources that don’t always align with or downright challenge their own beliefs, many kids will seek out information that aligns with what they already believe and only that.
That kind of research doesn’t just come naturally for people no matter how intelligent they are (and part of intelligence includes curiosity and a desire to know more). It is taught, hopefully first at home ánd then at school.
Don’t forget we also have kids born during this time or having to do online school during lockdown, having spent far too long not being educated while the schools tried figure out the best way to teach kids safely. These kids were also missing social interactions, so they are behind with social skills.
There are many things I miss about my childhood: playing outside in our front garden, free school milk, penny sweets that actually cost a penny each, playing SNES with my brother.
Reminiscing about the past is lovely and all but I try to remember to take the rose-tinted specs off and remember the past as it actually was, not just the parts I liked
I don’t miss the smacking, I don’t miss the sexual harassment from boys snapping mine and other girls’ bra straps or trying to look up our skirts as we walked upstairs and nothing being done about, other than the burden of responsibility upon the girls’ shoulders. We didn’t speak about bodily autonomy.
I don’t miss the casual and sometimes overt racism, that I endured because I couldn’t do anything about it anyway.
I don’t miss my school having to evacuate because of the occasional IRA bomb threat.
FeralSquirrels@reddit
Lived in suburbs, near cities, rurally and throughout.....I would far rather have been parked in front of an Atari or PC. Each to their own.
Kids don't really change drastically over time - some prefer being indoors, others like to be out. Generationally that hasn't really altered.
Can confirm that many kids are the same - if you remove what they enjoy to do things they aren't keen on, they won't be thrilled. This also isn't a new thing but arguably with the greater availability and peer pressure to have gadgets is more frequent than it once was.
This varies as to the "why" - starting with seeing other kids do it and reproducing their behaviour through to parents who also display poor behaviour themselves. There was an ad in the noughties iirc that showed kids with their parents, mirroring their behaviour: case in point.
Second this with things like the media playing a part here that some are very quick to criticise and come up with very much targeted stories (I won't say journalistic as 95% of the time now it's just false or made to sound bad or sheer spurious conjecture) about everyone and anything.
Also again - upbringing. If kids are told by the media and their parents/friends "all coppers are bent" or "all politicians are bent" and "boffins don't know nuffink" go figure that impression leads you down a certain path.
Lack of educational support doesn't help as the school system has seen very little uptick in funding and governmental support, either.
It will take time and effort, like all things. We finally have a PM who, yes give me flak all you like, is making far more positive moves with their party to actually improve the quality of life. It will take time, we're talking years of work not the days, weeks or months that some cranially challenged fruitbaskets seem to think in order for things to improve.
No, Gladys, it's not Kier lying that you can't see a dentist because he promised it months ago, it takes time and money to imrpove the outlook and your living in X town doesn't mean it's a focus. Ditto for Doctors, the NHS at large and more - public services are in a shambles, Rome wasn't built in a day and what's taken a good what, ~14yrs of being shagged dry to get this bad is appreciably going to take a few to get back on track.
Likewise: kids. Some are a product of their upbringing into adults and come to realise with some reflection and opened-eyes that they can do better, so do. Others are content to stay how they are. There's nothing queer-er than folk, we'll all ultimately do our own thing.
Values change, culture, society and fashion - kids honestly aren't hugely different nor are people. What's changed is the world around us and how it influences us, the methods by which we can be led and steered. It's not all bad, but it's also not all good.
Having a teen of my own now, I honestly would give my left ball to just be able to take him back to my own childhood so he could grow up in it as well. Far, far easier than today's world by miles.
Ultimately though as parents, it's our unwritten obligation to do the best we can - teach your kids to be kind but also critical, ask questions, be aware of themselves and what's going on and not always treat face value as honesty. Be selfless, be generous, build those up around you and encourage challenging of what doesn't seem right and that it's absolutely OK to both give and receive constructive criticism and as a result, change your view and be open that you were wrong.
As the saying goes: be the change you want to see. You can, as per popular media, raise who you think is an angel but actually have them not be. Just do your best, prepare them all you can and hope the world they're in by the time they reach your own age, now, is a better place for your efforts.
DrJacoby12@reddit
Firstly how old are your kids?
And to answer your question IMO it’s lockdown which then had a knock on effect.
Lockdown led to lazy parenting which led to higher screen time which led to people absorbing some of the rubbish / indoctrination you can see online.
malcolmmonkey@reddit
I remember being totally addicted to my gameboy in the 90’s and moaning whenever I wasn’t allowed to play it. I wouldn’t worry.
Drudwas@reddit
Plently of kids were criminal shits in the 80s/90s too, and plently of kids today play football and go to the coast when it's sunny too...I turn 50 this year and think this post reads like parody.
MultiMidden@reddit
It does sound like parenting is in part to blame, an article in The Standard last months was entitled I swapped gentle parenting for a French approach for a week and there seems to be something in a stricter parenting style.
No-Locksmith-882@reddit
Same shit different generation. Has been like that probably from pre-industrial times. For example: Oliver Twist and later gangs like those portrayed in Peeky Blinders, (bit thin on the evidence for early 20th Century) then post WW2 we have rock'n'roll, hippies, mods and rockers, punks, moving into the 80's we had rave kids and travellers and kids started to spend more time on their devices. Each group mis-understood by the older generations.
Taucher1979@reddit
These type of complaints are as old as time. I do worry about social media and children/teens. At the same time from my experience children these days seem to be much more accepting of difference and kinder.
I was a young child in the 80s and a teen in the 90s and there was bullying and miserable times for some. And I think that some of the children in the 80s/90s would win top prize for disrespecting authority.
Lopsided_Custard3429@reddit
So I'm a charity fundraiser for the RSPB (Royal Society for Protection of Birds) and one thing I've noticed is just how many kids these days love nature and wildlife.
I have to engage with families quite a lot and I'll get these kids who look really moody but then when I talk with the families about nature and wildlife their faces light up. The adults sometimes say things to me like "that's the first time they've smilled all day" or "you've really got them interested" and it always warms my heart a bit, especially when it's teenagers.
Kids are still interested in the outdoors and nature, they just need access to spaces where they can get engaged. It's not the kids who are at fault if they're disconnected, it's ours for not giving them that opportunity
Substantial-Elk-9568@reddit
Whilst technology has absolutely had an impact on kids not going outside and exploring as much, a far larger impact has been parenting.
Ask your grandparents how far they were allowed from home when they were 10-12 years old. Chances are you'll be told fables of how they could go wherever as long as they were back for tea.
Ask your parents and chances are they will tell you a similar but perhaps more muted version of the above story, a couple of miles from home.
I personally wasn't allowed to leave the series of streets I grew up on because my parents were paranoid something would happen.
Naturally this has only gotten worse with the newest generations. The parents barely allow them out of their sights.
It's mental how all of this is blamed on the kids use of technology and not the complete overkill, overbaring parenting.
BlindingsunYo@reddit
Because they’re glued to socials instead of going outside and actually being social. And there’s no accountability any more
Jerico_Hill@reddit
In my anecdotal, not a parent myself experience, kids have absolutely no consequences. I've a nephew that is a terror and the best threat his mum can come up with is threatening to tell his teacher because every other punishment requires even more effort on top of what must be a very stretched thin resource as a parent.
Quiet time and removal of devices etc requires so much more effort and people are knackered.
Of course the other route to go down is to simply plonk a screen in front of them. You'll get quiet kids but they'll be so socially stunned they'll never leave home.
It was easier imo, when you could hit your kids which is why y'all be glad to know I'm not having any.
Embarrassed_File_795@reddit
The main problem is social media. The little vunts think they can do whatever they want because they are recording some shitty tiktok. It's embarrassing and needs to stop.
RobertRRandazzo@reddit
We are headed for idiocracy.
millerz72@reddit
Kids aren’t any different, the world around them is.
PsychologicalRow8034@reddit
Since the dawn of time people have complained about kids today, the kids are fine, bit addicted to technology which makes sense but they aren’t any ruder than they’ve ever been
giraffe_cake@reddit
As an adult, I spend my time and money on this that we couldn't afford when growing up. Mainly being inside and playing video games. I did have a ps1 when it came out and spent my time on that. I have my crafting that I was obsessed with as a kid and still as an adult.
More access and being able to afford these things now that were absurdly expensive when we were younger.
There were plenty of kids that didn't respect authority figures when I was growing up. Nothing much has really changed in that aspect. I am also mid 30s.
DescriptionFuture851@reddit
When I (27m) was a kid, I didn't properly socialize outside of school until I was 15, my parents couldn't ground me (in the traditional way) as I didn't go out. I spend my evening playing video games and watching YouTube etc.
Before the age of 12, my dad kept telling me to put down my PSP at around 9, but eventually give up. As an adult, I still don't know what the big deal was.
Also, there's bellends and chavs from every generation who laugh when telling the police to fuck off, nothing has changed on that, nor will it ever.
I won't lie mate, if I could snap my fingers and make a full time income playing video games on twitch and YouTube, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Chrisd1974@reddit
You’re talking bullshit. I am 50 and when I was 16 used to get the bus to college with kids going to the local school. Those kids - all now late 40s - were the same as they are now.
busbybob@reddit
I feel the same way on every front. I coach under 12 football as well and we were chatting between coaches about how laid back and "zero fucks given" the kids are about winning or being a sub. One coach compared it to his sons(14) completely laid back attitude to education. He has zero fear of failure (I know that can be a good thing when combined with effort/test and learn). Regarding football, I don't think it helps that everyone's a winner. I mean if your all getting a medal at the end....
I just left school sports day, overheard a teacher say it's not about winning its about taking part. Whilst I agree with the premise of a more inclusive approach to sports and achievement, I do wonder if we've strayed too far and our children lack any motivation what so ever to be the best and achieve great things.
Whilst I'm ranting, my 30year old brother demonstrates some of these traits, so I wonder what the cross over point was (im 39)
mentaldriver1581@reddit
I will likely get downvoted for this but I think on the whole “gentle parenting”, AKA letting them do/act whatever, however they want is raising up a whole generation of self entitled people. I agree, in that things should not go back to corporal punishment, but I believe a level of accountability in children is in fact good for them, and helps them to have the self-discipline they will need to thrive as adults.
Awkwardwaffley@reddit
What are the technology limits placed on your kids?
BruceGramma@reddit
I used to crawl 70 acres (pre-metric system) through the cobbled streets to work my chimney sweeping job for tuppence ha’penny
Now it’s all skibbedy toilet and I’m confused and angry.
Said every generation of parents since the beginning of time.
DeadliftYourNan@reddit
Mate I'm abroad with my Mrs and two kids, my eldest has said she hates us and has had the worst time with us and never wants to come on holiday with us again. She's a teenager and very much has the mindset we are staff in her house and if we step a foot out of line or are embarrassing then she strops, sulks and is generally just moody and unpleasant to be around. Unless that includes us buying her new clothes or holiday gifts and ice creams then she's an absolute princess.
All good fun innit. Bangs head against wall.
TabularConferta@reddit
I present to you....
The same complaint attributed to Socrates, at least registered in 1907.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/4LHaCsVrLJ
Boogaloogaloogaloo@reddit
Gabbaandcoffee@reddit
I believe kids today are fairly similar to previous, but there is no real way to know how lockdown impacted younger people/ generations and different ages will be effected in different ways.
Besides that, the lack of respect I feel comes from society. Not many people show respect, and even fewer online or social places show respect. Police are shown to be unreliable and corrupt in the media, and social media is awash with quick (mostly fake but young people don’t often realize this) clips of people getting away with breaking the law or anti social behavior. Coupled with an unreliable and untrustworthy government and more information available to them than any other time in history. As for teachers, it’s widely known that they do not actually have much power and risk their jobs by being too involved or restricting (especially when it comes to violence).
I’m a similar age to you (I guess), and there was so much more violence, threats of violence or getting beaten up. There was a fear of not stepping out of line that doesn’t appear to be in society any more. I mean I got beaten up for having long hair, let alone anything more progressive that is often accepted today. I think this is overall a good thing but we are also transitioning to a newer time, and this will take even longer to settle someplace in the middle where there is still less violence but younger people have more respect and/ or follow societal norms and expectations more. I guess on expectations- it’s less clear for younger people what is expected of them and when and more freedom which is again, good, but also leaves space for frustration, boredom and lack of direction which can also lead to antisocial behavior/ lack of respect etc.
TLDR: new/ different times = new/ different outcomes and behaviors. More information, and media outlets driving a lack of respect for police. Recent times general public not having faith or trust in governments will have a knock on effect to you by er generations. A progressive society with generally much less violence (reported or unreported) will impact younger people and give space for more confidence- this confidence can be easily misplaced and that space can be filled with negative/ anti social behavior if unsupported.
madcow87_@reddit
I was inside loads as a kid. Either playing mega drive/ps1 or more likely playing guitar. I went out, I played football, rode my BMX around and caused trouble but more often than not you'd find me upstairs in my room playing guitar.
Being inside or outside is just down to the kids. My lad is the same. He'll sit inside for HOURS not doing much. But then there's days where he'll go to the gym after school and then out to play footy and I won't see him till it's dark.
The presence of tech in his life only has an impact on the content he sees. When I was his age I caught a glimpse of Blade, the opening sequence, and had nightmares for a week, but it was a complete accident. With how easy it is to expose young kids to that level of violence and graphic content it's desensitizing them at a much younger age and exposing them to ideas that they're untouchable because they're kids. That IMO is the real danger with tech and social media. It's so important that we teach them about it, especially as millennials and what not that grew up watching that kind of shit happen and develop.
neverbound89@reddit
You mention that people would say, if you were being, I will tell your mother! That would literally only work if that person knew your mother. Unless of course you didn't use critical thinking as a child.
My mother doesn't chat to random neighbours, she doesn't go to church etc. In the olden days you were more local and connected to your local areas so yeah if you're mum was a social sort that could work.
Now I'm 36 so I can only assume that you lived in a smaller place as a lad and bigger city as an adult.
I'm not saying kids behaviour hasn't changed but you are using sweeping brush strokes and every generation thinks young people are shit.
NPR_slut_69@reddit
Over half of them aren't British send tweet
unclear_warfare@reddit
Depending what age they are, quite a few of today's kids and their schooling and socialization severely interrupted by the pandemic, that really made a difference
Complex-Baseball-860@reddit
It is ingrained in social media and society now… the culture is; not respecting the authority or the environment, every song on the radio is diverse, swearing, talking about ‘doing anything for money’ and either directly talking about sex or making heavy connotations to it… ‘f police this’ and that. There’s no respect, the last generation built this system and allowed it to prosper. Now here is what you’ve caused.
fwooshfwoosh@reddit
There is nothing to do outside. If you’re in a group of teenagers there’s nothing apart from vape stores and Tesco to go into and you get some NIMBY calling the police on you as you’re a “gang”. And everything is way more expensive so you can’t even buy anything
Why bother when you cna jsut stay at home and play Fortnite with your friends for free
deadblankspacehole@reddit
You're going to get so many handwaves around this topic. Someone will invariably misquote an old philosopher who said kids are rude these days from 4k years ago and you will be made to feel like it's all in your head
Ignore those replies, it's their way of saying they a) don't spend time around kids and b) don't have the answers
I do have the answers, however they're not for this forum because it's too low imagination for this topic
Euphiletus@reddit
Not a father but I see so many of these issues in friends with young kids across the board right now. I certainly think that lockdown had a dramatic impact on kids developmental stages in life in terms of their education and social abilities, but also, all of these SCREENS constantly everywhere, and non stop adverts, and social media, and depressing news and prospects for the future are all factors in what we’re seeing here in younger generations. I wish I could think of a solution to all of this but things aren’t really looking good right now!
Canipaywithclaps@reddit
‘I wish I could think of a solution’… huh if only there was a barrier to tech and social media. Oh wait!
ftatman@reddit
Technology is definitely the biggest change. It gets its hooks into kids and it’s where societal value is right now. Kids want to be online and they live most of their lives there. Their peers do too, and so living offline feels a requested and uncool to them.
The number of male teens stuck at home yelling at their screens is scary. I say this as someone who managed to escape that trap after Call of Duty had dug its claws into me back in 2010.
The thing that worries me most is that technology/youtube is turning people into these weird empty vessels for ‘memes’, in the traditional sense of other people’s information colonising them and becoming their identity. They’re not really such independent beings anymore with their own thoughts formed through experience - they’re spouting a lot of views from other people/experts about things that they haven’t actually seen/done for themselves. You hear a lot of ‘hive mind’ opinions and things that are very unoriginal. I think that’s one reason the older generations get a bit sick of people sounding ‘woke’ - it comes across as inauthentic.
ShinyHappyPurple@reddit
I don't envy them, I really think growing up in the internet 1.0 days was the best of both worlds. Easy to learn about new things and you could talk to people who had niche interests but it was too new for online bullying and people couldn't make videos of you and it wasn't really used by other kids from school to bully people either.
Unhappy-Jackfruit279@reddit
Every generation in the history of mankind has been different in some way from the previous one.
TheSilentEngineer_@reddit
The children now love luxury; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are tyrants, not servants of the households. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize over their teachers.
\~ Socrates 5th-century BCE
Born_Common_5966@reddit
Lord this never ends. Do you know what greatest gen said about boomers or silent gen about gen x Get a new complaint or study history
cosmic_monsters_inc@reddit
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of [work]. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households.” Socrates (469–399 B.C.)
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
Nice fake quote.
cosmic_monsters_inc@reddit
Dude, it's well known and is brought up every time people have been complaining about the state of the kids because it's always been like that. Watch these kids in 20/30 years go though the exact same thing with theirs.
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
It’s also a fake quote
cosmic_monsters_inc@reddit
No it's not. Well I can't say to its veracity, I wasn't there but the point stands. That's the way kids are and always will be.
Kids don't respect elders or anything really just because they are told to and they barely respect what earns it. They would rather do what they find fun and think they know best at all times. Then they grow up and aren't kids anymore then start complaining about kids.
Am I the only grown up that actually remembers what it was like being a kid or something? Why do we expect them to be born as functional and responsible members of society? Raising a kid isn't just about feeding and housing them.
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
It literally is. Go and look it up.
No point stands. It’s an inherently silly quotation
cosmic_monsters_inc@reddit
I meant no its not like its not using words that are meaningless. Wouldn't surprise me at all its not real. It may be silly but it is a valid point. These kids ain't special.
Own_Art_2465@reddit
He never said that though
cosmic_monsters_inc@reddit
Whether he did it didn't it's still not a new thing and I can guarantee cavemen complained about their kids in the same way. These kids will grow up and do the exact same thing with theirs who will grow up and do the same. This isn't new.
Ozmiandra@reddit
Is that the same Socrates that was put to death for corrupting the youth?
Ill_Soft_4299@reddit
Pretty sure every parent/adult has said the same
SaintPepsiCola@reddit
Kids today grow up seeing authority figures exposed. Thanks to social media, it doesn’t matter if you’re a politician, a police officer, or a celebrity—anyone can air your dirty laundry for the world to see.
Obv kids are less inclined to respect authority. They’re growing up in a world where adults in power are caught lying, abusing their positions, or acting hypocritically—and it’s all just a few taps away on their phone. Schools teach values like honesty and fairness, but kids watch governments bending rules, police using force unfairly, and Diddy etc.
They’re smart enough to spot the contradictions. A lot of so-called grownups aren’t doing much to earn it.
Gruejay2@reddit
Well, the corollary to that is that people are free to endlessly spread lies about anyone they want too, which has certainly been happening as well.
Elegant_Mind7950@reddit
This is one of my favourite tales, the idea that kids are some how worse in this day and age.
Kids have always been a*shole’s and always will be.
Plot-3A@reddit
You're allowed to say asshole.
Own_Art_2465@reddit
Not in British English
Plot-3A@reddit
Agreed. But you can still say arsehole. Censorship point still stands.
Anxious-Cold4658@reddit
I have a quote from Plato about this very topic in my home office to remind me I’m old and my kids are young. The young just see the world differently. It’s wonderful.
Honest-Possible6596@reddit
Both can be true. Kids have always been arseholes, and yet they’re also worse now.
Cause4concern27@reddit
This. As a parent, I taught my boys to be polite, respectful and decent members of society but they still pushed the limits. It's what children do and as long as they are brought up understanding right from wrong and learning from thier mistakes, they will be upstanding adults.
ingenuous64@reddit
The sad truth is the standard of parenting has plummeted since covid. There are more kids being taken into care and 4 times as many children up for adoption than adopters.
Fight the good fight and parent your kids properly
Purple_ash8@reddit
Oh, here we go.
AdaptedMix@reddit
It seems an uncontroversial fact that circa two years of on-off lockdowns/social distancing had some measurable impact on childhood development, though to what extent that is merely a delay or long term seems an open question.
But I do also think people too quickly default to scapegoating Covid as the cause of everything. It's especially convenient to blame an external, global event if the multi-faceted truth might lay some responsibility closer to home (e.g. at the parents).
mikolv2@reddit
Kids don't fear authority because there is no authority that could meaningfully impact them. There needs to be deterrents and/or punishment for stepping out of line. Teachers basically can't do anything, most parents don't do anything, cops are outnumbered and won't bother to do anything. I also don't necessarily support hitting school children. I've witnessed it myself a few times in my school days, but I tell you what, not a single kid in my class would speak up and argue with a teacher; the whole thing ran like clockwork. I personally think it's parents' responsibility, they should teach children about the good parts of life, the pleasures etc. and what it means to lose them when you step out of line. I imagine kids would fall in line faster if you took their access to internet and grounded them for a few days.
Throwawaythedocument@reddit
FYI I think a lot of people are having kids in their mid 30s now.
If you're the kind of person who wants one, maybe two and plans for them, it's so hard to get a house in a good area, and then afford food, potentially two cars to give parents mobility
But yeah, I have no idea what to do, but kids do seem to lack respect for authority and society, and it worries me about becoming a parent, as I have a lot of patience for people outside of my immediate life, but a short fuse for when people close to me can't get the basics consistently right.
Like, I don't know how I'd cope if I had a 12 year old who refused to do the dishes. Cause my parents would literally just leave them in my room if I outright refused.
Professional-Sir2147@reddit
I was born in 1990 and got a Nintendo 64 for my 7th birthday and was on the PC making games with Game Maker by 12 years old, I was just as unwilling to go outside and do anything that wasn't playing on my N64 as my kids are; if anything I was worse. Always hated sports, still do.
The lack of fear of authority though is definitely surprising for me too. I think it was more of a reflection of my childhood: I was shit scared of my dad, he had a horrible temper, whereas I am a gentle person, you have to really fuck up for me to be angry at you. As a kid I was a goody two shoes, never talked back, never got into trouble, because I feared my dad.
But my gentle parenting and nature has yielded some surprising resistance to doing as you're told, behaviour I never would have dreamed of as a kid.
ClassroomDowntown664@reddit
when I was in sixth form a few years ago (born in 03) you had year 7s going up to sixth formers and messing around in front of the depty without a care in the world. compare that to when I was a year 7 we would stay away from the older ones and be on our best behaviour around the head
wayneio@reddit
It's funny because I was in sixth form around 2010 and I remember distinctly thinking "wow these year 7s don't care about authority like we did when we were in year 7". I wonder if all "good kids" that get to sixth form see the rude younger ones and assume they are all like that.
ClassroomDowntown664@reddit
yes your probably right and I think every year group think that the year 7s are worst than they
hoochiscrazy_@reddit
Nope, this was definitely me in the early 90s when I couldn't play Sega/PlayStation
Far_Reality_3440@reddit
Theres a few things at play here one is partly that we always think 'our' generation of kids is the worst one.
As an example to make the point, personally I would rather my kids played video games on a console ones with a story and narrative rather than watching mindless (IMO) videos on youtube or online games where they're bombared with advertising. I can't really explain why the latter feels worse than the former different and I know that the generation before would probably rather their kids watched tv than played video games. I guess there is some logic to it as we know what was harmless for previous generations but the current technology habits are still an experiment and the results so far dont look great so I can understand our resistance to the new as parents.
Just to be clear I also would prefer they played outdoors more than any of these and I encourage this whenever possible, I think the research on this is conclusive that its the best kind of play for their development.
However Having said all of the above about generations feeling kids are worse than ever before, I do think there is something to it and the reason no one ever seems to mention especially not in places like reddit is the rise of gentle parenting. Now the kids who were gentle parented are parents themselves so the effect is multiplied. Try watching Kramer vs Kramer its supposed to be a depiction of a loving but stressed father yet the way he talks to his kid wouldnt even be shown on tv now, people would call it abuse. While they're young children are instinctively very selfish its nothing against them we were all built that way theyre designed to push limits to get what they think they want so when we're very acommodating to them they push further so I think this cultural change has been going on for years. Personalyl I try not to be loving but firm setting clear boundarys for my kids as I think this is the answer but it's definitely not easy, especially when so many parents are doing the opposite.
BlueLeaves8@reddit
The gentle parenting is what I just commented above and I can’t believe more people haven’t. It’s a huge factor and I’d say it’s the main one, technology doesn’t make kids less likely to respect authority. Parents these days are literally scared for their child to hear no, even a gentle no.
I’m consistently observing parents who are led by their children and doing whatever the child says, those children obviously then have no concept of any authority or respecting any other adults.
NorthernStarzx@reddit
It's the screens. I'm a 2010s kid and I have memories of going to my friends house only to end up bored out of my mind as they stared at brainrot on YouTube or played minecraft for hours when I wanted to be outside. I had a friend who attended dance class with me for a month only to say it was "boring" and went back to the same old staring at a screen at home instead. I never understood kids like that and I feel it's got worse even since I was little, literal babies have screens now and their parents make stupid excuses like "I want peace" or "I want to eat my food in peace in a restaurant not deal with my child" I just think why do people have kids if they can't stand being around them? Why mute their childhood with a screen. My mum never felt the need to hand me a screen, yes I watched YouTube and played online games but I had restricted time each day for screens , most of my time I played outside or inside with toys.
Equivalent_Ask_1416@reddit
I think children to day have access to so much that their behaviour makes them more and more entitled. Parenting is becoming increasingly more difficult because either the parents don't really care, aren't prepared for the responsibility, or are too distracted by technology and other responsibilities. Results always vary though, and there are always genuine, polite and kind children out there.
Our culture is the reason why kids have changed and a lot of them lack the motivation and drive to succeed because of the reasons mentioned above. To change what children are today, we have to be responsible because we have the keys to improving the perception of children.
I think we as a society have let things go the way they are, this is why many of us moan, complain and use nostalgia to say everything was better back in those days. The reason things were better back then is because capitalism wasn't narrowly funneling us and there was far more room for expression, whereas today it seems with have to watch our Ps and Qs.
Again it's up to us as a society to change. Allow your children to learn to do things themselves and if they struggle show them how so they can replicate the behaviour. Give them an environment they'll enjoy and encourage them to be kind and polite. We are the change, we're the only ones who can turn this tide.
ShingledPringle@reddit
I think it's there, and it isn't lazy parenting but the type of parents many want to be.
I know some great kids being brought up by wonderful parents, but many parents grow up wanting to be their kids friend. And sadly a lot of the time, you can't be.
I feel horrible when I have to be strict to my daughter, but something in her refuses to learn certain rules and if something is bothering her, she waits until the last moment to tell us.
former_scientist@reddit
‘Our youth now love luxury, they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders, and they love to chatter instead of exercise. Children are now tyrants not servants of their household. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.’
Socrates, about 2,400 years ago…..
Ambiverthero@reddit
apparently Plato said something to the effect of: “kids today with books they’ll never remember the ancient stories like i did”? well apparently this has been going for over 2000 years…
ArcturusDeluxe@reddit
Old man yells at cloud
flashbastrd@reddit
I think the trick is to keep kids off technology from the beginning, not let them get hooked to it and then try to take it away.
Ive heard that a lot of folk in the tech industry that make apps etc dont let their kids anywhere near smart phones or tablets until their teenagers
I_wanna_be_anemone@reddit
People can’t afford not to work.
For the majority of the last century, it was expected that one persons wages could support a family of four, or at least one household. That including housing/paying a mortgage, bills, groceries, transport costs etc. Those who were in poverty forcing both parents to work almost always had a relative (usually grandparents/parents in their 40’s-60’s) who would be able to stay home and do the bulk of the parenting for any kids.
But now the majority of people can’t afford not to work. And the amount of hours they’re forced to work barely covers the essentials, leaving the parents burnt out when they return home and struggling to do the most basic household maintenance. Because of job scarcity, families are forced to move apart, leaving parents with kids miles or even several countries away. Kids are being raised by themselves, using social media, tv and each other as measuring sticks for what they should be doing. They don’t get that vital supportive familial interaction that was widely available just a couple generations ago.
Add in media, and you have kids learning from a painfully young age that the planet they’re inhabiting is dying due to the greed of a handful of billionaires/100 of the richest companies in the world. They’re watching sensationalised news about terror attacks, rapes/murders of women by strange men, kids being exploited and abused. It’s 24/7 and worse, they’re expected to know about it. It also means they’re more aware of police misconduct, racism, sexism, homophobia etc. They’re struggling with the burdens of being part of a society where the elite consistently don’t care about those in poverty (whose numbers have been increasing globally). Opportunities for fully trained and highly educated adults of this generation are disappearing due to AI and companies looking to increase profits at all else.
It’s bleak. And the kids know it. They see their loved ones working to death in misery and are wondering ‘what is the point?’ They seek out connections with other kids because their parents are too busy working, leaving them open to exploitation and fear-mongering (gangs that promote carrying weapons). The world outside isn’t safe. Parents are rarely around to offer support. Teachers are underfunded to the point they only care about doing their jobs. Society has become toxic and unaffordable for the vast majority. Kids are angry about that. And they should be.
lil_chunk27@reddit
Yeah I think a big part of it is this - the system isn't working for parents or children. My partner and I both earn above the median income, but in order to afford our housing and other costs (mid-terrace in the North) and to some degree to protect my job longer term we have to start putting our kid in nursery from 9 months old. My parents, who also lived in a mid-terrace and were significantly younger and lower earners when they had kids, were not flush with cash but my mum either didn't work or only worked part time until my brother and I started school.
So I keep seeing stuff about how so many kids start school without being potty trained, but its so much harder for parents to be consistent with things like potty training and weaning when they are also trying to navigate it while working full time, and nursery workers are dealing with absolutely loads of kids at different levels of development and parents with different methods of doing these things they have to follow. Plus, capitalism plays into it - nappies are designed to be so good and convenient (so you buy them for longer, regardless of their massive environmental cost) that they make it harder for young children to learn what cues mean they need the toilet, and there's loads of marketing to convince parents this is fine, or moving into pull up disposables is fine. I can see why parents are struggling with these kind of things in a system designed to make them harder and which forces them to prioritise convenience because they have to work.
reocoaker@reddit
ChatGPT : Write me some rose tinted bollocks about the olden days.
cmvyas@reddit
You are asking on Reddit - wrong audience
el_duderino_316@reddit
We were dickheads in our own way in the 80s and 90s, man. And even if you weren't, you knew plenty of kids who were.
Take your rose-tinted specs off.
NightsisterMerrin87@reddit
I mean, a kid threw a teacher through a window in my secondary school, in the early 2000s. I don't think there's too much difference in the kids themselves, but there's a lot less for teens to do now than there was, and there are far more avenues for judgement than before.
Dunnohye@reddit
Back in my day we communicated with cup and string I tell you!!!!
Steve-XC@reddit
Had one kid throw a stone at my van as I drove past a few weeks back. Jumped on the brakes, reversed back n spoke to him n watched him physically drop the macho persona n look like a lost puppy in front of his pals.
Another kid (10 maybe?) called a woman a "stupid bitch" on the estate I was on which sent me too.
Kids are fucking disgraceful nowadays, no respect, they dont give a fuck for anyone but themselves. I'm with OP, was raised with respect. My daughter doesnt seem to be anything like these ruthless little cunts today, which although makes me proud, it really puts into perspective the lack of discipline and decent parenting everywhere.
TheHeroYouNeed247@reddit
You give them machines designed to get them addicted through dopamine conditioning.
All addicts freak out when deprived of their fix.
Substantial_Quit3637@reddit
Kids are oppositional to their parents whatever they liked/did they will oppose.
its the Never ending cycle.
So yeah you were outdoorsy and respected elders maybe the target is these kids respecting themselves and understanding through self image management/Presenting themselves and knowing that it can be negatively affect them when they do bad rather than an outside world will make them do the right thing.
They are on screens all the time? but what sort of time is that screen time?
Do you know...whats their Sub box like on YT, what the ForYou is like on TIktok etc
Are they in private secretive conversations on snap?
or are they consuming broadcasted Snips of their peers lives like we used to watch someone get chased across the park running for their lives after robbing a pile of palettes for fire wood on a construction site?
You can't pull it out of their hand and stop them thinking about what they just watched, you need to steer and Counterpoint what they consider a primary learning source with alternatives and new ways of thinking.
Best of luck Bud i dont want any kids, Just more Grandnephews and nieces SO take it from me Gr'unkle Stan.
the kids are alright.
Peter_Sofa@reddit
Nope, thats just your parenting I am afraid.
SeerUD@reddit
Kids will be different today. We grew up through the introduction of technology to us and grew with it, and the internet. We know what life was like without widespread access to the internet, etc. Social media wasn't a thing too.
Kids growing up now only have this world, where the internet is everywhere and everything is on social media. Many kids aspire to be influencers or YouTubers or whatever because that's what they see people doing, and enough influencers also show off their cash and disregard for authority and self importance that these kids consuming this content will feel like that's normal. Social media is everybody showing the best of their life, or basically adverts - it's always the highlights, and even kids will compare themselves to what they see on it.
Lockdown probably didn't help, but I think a lot of it actually is to do with parenting, but it's also a super tricky balancing act because if you deprived your kid of access to social media but their peers have it and a fancy phone they can use all of the time, etc. then they're going to feel hard done by.
I think it would have to be promoting healthy habits and hobbies so they don't feel like they want to spend all their time on the phone. Hard work though in many cases. When I was a kid, playing out was the obvious option because that's what everybody did. These days you see that a lot less, with more kids doing things like gaming to socialise.
JohnnyKruze@reddit
As a teacher I can assure you most of my students show me respect once I have earned it, it's a two way thing. There are some amazing young people doing amazing things, I understand how you feel, but it's not all young people.
Key-Original-225@reddit
Ok.
As a child growing up in the nineties, I spent ALOT of time PLAYING football in the school field next door but I also spent a lot of time playing my sega megadrive.
When I wasn’t doing that I was being a little shit while out and about. I did fear authority, like the time the police showed up at the front door because I’d been seen smashing greenhouse windows on the estate (I was 10, I cried when I saw the police) but I’d still tell adults to fuck off if I didn’t know them.
Eventually I grew out of being a little tosser, moving away to a nicer area probably helped.
What I will say is this, if I had the same things kids have now days, including all the privileges and more concern for children’s wellbeing (both positive and negative) I’d be the same as kids now.
Pitiful_Carrot5349@reddit
You don't want to return to enforcing discipline, but you wish kids to be self-disciplined anyway. Ain't going to happen. It's like not wanting to practice piano but wishing you could play the piano.
I think we're on balance right to have done away with corporal punishment and given kids more rights. But there's no point pretending it's consequence free.
jzzzzzzz@reddit
Corporal Punishment was banned in schools in 86 and most had stopped it long before that.
Pitiful_Carrot5349@reddit
Culture is slow to change though. It takes a while to realise that the stove is no longer hot. Millennials had no threat of corporal punishment, but we still had the vague sense that teachers were scary. Now we are the teachers and we know we're not really in charge.
gogybo@reddit
Was about to say the same thing. It's like with personal liberties - we're probably right to allow people to say, do and behave how they want to as long as they aren't in breach of the law, but it means we will never again have the same kind of society as, say, Japan, where rigid codes of conformity and hierarchy are the price they pay for social harmony. It's just how it is.
sgbea_13@reddit
Liberalism killed everything
Helpful-Fennel-7468@reddit
Woke parent techniques of today create kids without boundaries or respect.
Own_Art_2465@reddit
What are these techniques?
Helpful-Fennel-7468@reddit
Why? So you can pass them on?
likes2milk@reddit
No fear of authority because there is no consequence.
I know we were invincible back in the day climbing all sorts, out all day, playing in the quarry, jumping off bridges into the river, swimming in the river in April. If someone called us we'd stop. Primary school lad throwing stones at cars. He thought it was a game.
HideousTits@reddit
Is this some kind of AI trained almost entirely on cliche and trite tropes?
DeKrieg@reddit
Because today the technology is the social. Most of how kids interact is through that technology, its not ideal but the issue is we've effectively removed all the other alternatives. Public spaces that kids can actually go to are rare and even if they do they'll be treated with suspicion and accused of being yobs or hooligans hanging around looking for trouble. There's little to no spaces or activities for children that does not come with a price tag or restricted access. And a lot of activities are now formalized, its harder to just go to the local pool for a swim as swimming pools now have extensive rotations on their use. So just turfing your kid out to socialize or get some exercise might seem pointless to them.
Further consequence of leaving their primary social space to be online. Authority isn't learnt at the end of a stick, it's learnt by it being a social consequence, act out or be disruptive and you would normally find yourself ostracized from social activities, no one is going to play a game of football in the park with the kid who hurls abuse at everyone and picks fights.
But online doesn't discourage that, in fact it encourages it, the most abusive actually gains social credibility online and there are no consequences, all these online spaces are privately run and they don't want to lose customers so they will drag their feet extensively to act when someone is being a bully and even if they do punish someone they do it on such a limited scale that it's easily worked around. The result is generally kids carrying that behavior over to the real world. And while they might get punished for it in the real world there is a disconnect and that just makes most think the adult involved is out of line rather then it being a social norm.
This isn't something new, it's just much more widespread because of online spaces being the primary interaction, kids who prior to this (when I was a kid) became popular as a class clown would often have a similar reaction to being punished by a teacher, they'd feel that the specific teacher would have it out for them rather then considering their behavior because they would have had positive reactions to being silly elsewhere and often take issue with that specific teacher.
Known-Watercress7296@reddit
Bless you sweetie x
Things have been in a downward spiral at least since Hesiod covered the problem with the kids those days around 700BCE.
Have your parents confirmed you were so much better behaved than your current spawn?
I was addicted to my rubber keyed spectrum 48k in the 80's and have been tech daft since, and my kids know the polis are generally twats, as are many teachers.
If you have badly behaved toddler, that's your parenting to blame just as my mate's pita dog is not a commentary on 'dogs in the modern day', he's just looking after animals.
Own_Art_2465@reddit
Hesiod should have tried a bit of youthful rebellion, perhaps then he wouldn't have been the dullest man ever to haunt classics and poetry.
Lower-Version-3579@reddit
Honestly, unless you work in a setting with young people day in, day out for years on end you have very little input to the wider trends being seen. It’s certainly not all kids, but it’s a rapidly rising proportion. It also extends significantly to the parents of these kids
Known-Watercress7296@reddit
That kinda points to OP with a toddler talking about kids these days being rather baseless.
I've been dealing with rather a lot of kids day to day for decades. My ex-wife was a teacher and early years specialist for 20yrs and my mum was an early years assistant for problem kids for a few decades until rather recently so am not alien to the world of 24/7 teacher talk, my neighbour wears battle armour to teach.
Schools focusing on stats to compete for stickers, funding and league tables has fucked things rather badly imo but unlikely to change any time soon as we are still rather stuck in a Victorian style education system.
There does seem a general trend towards stuff like self harm and suicide moving a little away from bevvy, drugs and stabbing each other but that seems like slightly different manifestations of similar issues.
Illustrious-End-5084@reddit
Kids are the same I was an asshole 35 years ago no respect for teachers or authority
It’s parents responsibility to limit exposure to these devices . Kids will addicted as they are designed that way
CulturalRing3601@reddit
Said every middle person in every generation through all of time
Mammoth_Park7184@reddit
You were scared of the policeman because you thought you'd be thrown in jail and they'd throw away the key. Now tiktok and youtube exist with thousands of videos of kids acting like complete twats to police and getting away with it
_MicroWave_@reddit
It is literally a universal truth through recorded history that each generation believes the following one is morally corrupt/doomed/stupid/ill-disciplined
ancientspacewitch@reddit
My stepdaughter is pretty much okay barring the usual teenage attitude issues, but I definitely see it in all her school friends. The way they address us as the parents of their friend shocked me. I remember being terrified of my friends' parents even if they were nice. These kids will say anything and everything to us with no concern. It was quite a shock for me since I don't have kids of my own.
DeinOnkelFred@reddit
“We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control”
A story as old as time. The kids are fine. You were, right?
jonschaff@reddit
I blame all that newfangled jazz music the kids are listening to these days 😂🎶
Sea-Opening3530@reddit
I think the difficult part is that the majority of parents that are trying to provide a good life for their family.. have two working adults and rely on nursery to support their child's early development.
If the nursery worker is paid minimum wage to turn up, watch kids run around all day and just hope that they don't bite or hit each other, then the child isn't getting the full attention that they might have needed from a parent.
When my parents were kids, their mum stayed at home all day with them, teaching them, playing with them, helping them to learn and explore. Their wasn't exactly much else for my grandma to be doing, she couldn't really watch TV, she didn't have a smart phone or other things fighting for her attention... so she was able to just sit with them and play fun games and activities. Their children received 100% of my grandmas attention and she loved it. My Mum was basically a single Mum and I spent a lot of time at my grandparents house, but really I probably only received about 20-30% of the attention that she got.
Nowadays, my child goes to nursery 4 days a week, my wife has him alone, while I'm working from home, for 1 day and we share the weekends. I play as much as I can in the mornings and evenings, but the unfortunate fact is that in reality, his nursery workers are spending longer with him in a week than I am. I know that I am guilty of looking at my phone when we are together still or watching TV together, albeit I consciously try not to and give him my full attention.
And I feel like I am a really good parent, I'm sure that many other kids are spending less quality time with their parents, and even when they are... some parents are so fried from working, paying bills, keeping on top of house work and washing etc... that they just don't have the energy to give 100% at the end of the day.
A lot of children right now at school age can't read, write or count. Children are in primary school still not understanding the alphabet. A lot of blame gets put onto the teachers... but how are they supposed to cope when children are so far behind where they should be?
I recently went on a secondary school visit, I sat in with a class of year 9's who had been working on creating a slideshow advert for a games shop. They were supposed to have used the last 4 hours of work to create a logo, advert and webpage design for their made up business. I'm kidding not, about 90% of the class had just got a logo and 3 pictures copied and pasted from the internet (by logo I just mean the name of their shop typed out on photoshop and copied into a slideshow). Where did the 4 hours of work go? I get that they need to learn things and that it might be a little more difficult for them sometimes... but they had achieved quite honestly about 2mins of real world work... in the space of 4 hours.
alwayslurkeduntilnow@reddit
I've been teaching for a lot of years.
This generation of students do have their own issues, but they are more tolerant and kind to their peers than ever before.
Differences are less likely to result in abuse and bullying.
We are going through a post Covid blip, but they are more intelligent. That has come at a cost as education has become so focused on qualifications that it has damaged what it means (or used to mean) to be a child, as well as narrowing their learning to just focus on what the exam boards say is important.
They are all products of their circumstances and environment.
900yearsiHODL@reddit
Hugh Grant has just said about how screens are kidnapping our children.
It's not just you.
How we shape the future, is down to all of us.
Remember how META top scientists gave the warning....
https://youtu.be/_aB38roSoI0?si=tHRCDf96esK3dIUe
poshbakerloo@reddit
Don't blame the children, blame the parents - which I'm afraid are the 80s children!
Bhenny_5@reddit
They’re all different! My lad is allowed a bit of TV but otherwise he’s playing with his toys or outside looking for rocks, creepy crawlies, or playing tennis or riding his bike.
We found that too much tv (and especially YouTube) could start to cause moodiness so we set some clear boundaries and after a bit of moaning he got over it and adjusted. He’s never had a tablet.
Equally he’s got friends who seem to be much more into gaming already because they have older siblings.
g0_west@reddit
I wonder was this written in 2025 or 1895?
skronk61@reddit
Fearing cops is not a positive thing in society
sjcuthbertson@reddit
Kids of every generation are different to their parents' generation, that's just how it works. But beyond that, you've just got bubble blinkers - your own childhood experience is not that of all children of your generation (which I think is also my generation).
I was bookish, indoors reading every spare moment. I preferred to sit in the car and read rather than do whatever outdoor thing my parents wanted me to. I was incredibly stubborn. They regularly gave up and left me in the car in a national trust carpark or hiking start point, with food and water and books, while they took my little brother round. I was very happy with this.
Once I got a Gameboy that competed with the books. So did TV certainly, at home, at times. All four grainy channels. They understandably limited my time on those things in a way they didn't want to for books. The TV aerial cable got taken away in school holidays sometimes. Plenty of massive teenager tantrums over that, or the Gameboy being confiscated. but equally, I did spend all of a lovely 2 week fancy camping holiday in France, on the Gameboy every waking hour, and my parents just let me because they didn't want the fight (and they got a better semi kid-free holiday as a result). We all enjoyed that holiday, I'm not any more dysfunctional for it.
Imperfect_Dark@reddit
Lack of respect from the youth is something all generations feel though. As always it depends on the individual.
Doctors 100 years ago were treated with the upmost respect in society, that that impression of doctors has been gone quite a long time now. Is unfortunate but isn't new.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to be a TikToker though. It's not that different from a kid wanting to present TV when they're older, it's just the medium has changed. Many of those kids won't end up trying to make a career of it though.
It's up to people to bring up their kids as best as possible and hope that others are doing the same. But limiting access to social media will always cause them to complain, in the same way I would when I was asked to get off the Mega Drive or N64.
Ok_Elk_9306@reddit
All you can do is be a role model for your kids and set an example for good behaviour. Teach them to be respectful and kind to others and you're already doing a better job than some parents.
If you set a good example then hopefully they learn from you and end up good people. If they don't then atleast you tried you best. You're kids are unique individuals and will have their own path to do things they want to, not what you want from them
Qyro@reddit
Remember when you were younger and all the grown-ups went on moaning about “kids these days”?
That’s what you’re doing now.
Bunkerlala@reddit
Bro - be the bad guy. Keep your kids off social media and screens. On the flipside, engage with them, make them play, take them out, arrange activities for them.
They act out when you take it away because it's addictive.
sleeping__late@reddit
Parents on their screens. Ambivalent behavior goes without scrutiny, and then bad behavior comes as a way to get attention.
pokedmund@reddit
Where to start?
You’ll need to read up and watch child psychology videos, because there’s too much to unpack here.
Honestly, back in 2000, I’ve always felts that’s kids generation were worse than the previous generation (1990s).
The rise of video games could play a factor into all this, as could the digital age, as could social media, as could the internet, as could covid, etc etc.
There are so many solutions to this: moderation of tech, more funding to recreation, adults being guardians figures to kids, making society less fearful of their surroundings particularly in developed countries.
Not always wanting a quick fix all the time to a serious problem. This is my concern with the modern day. Everyone wants a quick AI response solution to something that probably needs a lot of time and money to fix
justyrust74@reddit
I am age 50. I do think as we become older we become more observant in general, I know I have anyway, and as such we can maybe notice things we wouldn’t have noticed when we were younger, and as such it could perhaps be easy to see society as being worse, or as kids being worse behaved than when we were younger.
I grew up in New Zealand where we only had 2 tv channels until around 1988 when we got our third. We wouldn’t have been allowed a tv in our bedroom and dad would not let us sit in front of the tv for hours on end, which looking back is a good thing as we were outside bike riding, climbing trees, making dens, or using our pocket money playing space invader games outside the corner shop.
Things have changed from 40 years ago, the world has changed along with technological advances, and I think every generation that reaches 45, or 50 or 60 etc may have reservations about the speed of technological advances, and probably more so these days
No-Contribution-3245@reddit
easy, social media
Mega_whale@reddit
You wanted them to turn out like yourselves or some idealised version of yourselves. Yet you have them a completely different upbringing. It’s like making a chocolate cake hoping it turns out to be a Victoria sponge ….
th3-villager@reddit
I'm not a parent and I'm a bit younger than you but a lot of this was true to a lesser extent for me growing up. I still spent plenty of time outside doing various things with friends which I do wonder and expect is now less commonplace although it certainly felt like the norm to me, which may have in fact been a relative luxury.
Parents arbitrarily restricting access to gaming/TV/PC was still annoying and felt pointless. Plenty of others still pushed the boundaries with misbehaving etc but of course I was perfect. I think there's reason to believe both reliance on technology and 'misbehaving' has worsened as technology has become even more prolific and due to various other societal issues like healthcare becoming more expensive, parents working longer hours and having less time for their kids, the cost of having children increasing in real terms. Policing potentially being less effective, particularly of children shoplifting etc. Why follow the rules if there's no downside to cheating and not doing so?
It's concerning. To me your post does read like you are looking through rose tinted glasses but I think there is definitely some merit in the overall message.
Fit-Fault338@reddit
I grew up in the 60’s and if it was sunny you had to go outside.After helping your mam with any chores or errands of course.Everyone knew each on the street so if you did something wrong your parents would find out, and we knew what that meant. When I was at home I was reading, the library wasn’t far so I I went there a couple of times a week. We didn’t hang in friends houses,
Fit-Fault338@reddit
My friend was one of 9 so that was a no no. There was a community.I mean nowadays I pass the time of day with neighbours but we aren’t close. The internet and gaming has changed society, not for the better IMO.
murdermeinostia@reddit
"Our youth now love luxury, they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders, and they love to chatter instead of exercise. Children are now tyrants not servants of their household. They no longer rise when elders enter the room." - Socrates
same as it ever was, same as it ever was
FumbleCrop@reddit
Growing up in the 80s, I heard folk saying exactly the same thing about our lot. You can find complaints like yours from the earliest days people started working about social issues.
The world has changes. Some things are for the better, some for the worse. You need to notice both.
For instance, classroom bullying in schools is much less widespread. Not stamped out, but at least the bullies know their behaviour won't be brushed under the carpet. Unfortunately, they've switched to doing it online, but so it goes.
PatrickBoston-123@reddit
Read ‘The Anxious Generation’ for a proper answer on this. It’s all the phones.
CaMeLeOnnn@reddit
Because they have access to Tik Tok, social media and internet.
Character-Bid-5089@reddit
The world is so connected now. Kids now everything (or they think they do) because they can just look it up. There is no wonder in being a kid anymore. They see others living good lifes on their phones and they think they should be the same.
bigfriendlycommisar@reddit
Speaking as a child the police don't deserve any fucking respect
Sea-Breaz@reddit
You sound like a boomer. You’re comparing all kids of the 90’s to yourself and your upbringing. Not every kid was like you.
BetYouThoughtOfThis@reddit
Hope for the future is on the decline. The idea that if we tried hard, studied hard, didn't get in any trouble and applied ourselves we could get a good education and then a good job. We could buy a nice house. We could retire someday.
A lot of our generation aren't even achieving that now and it's getting worse every year.
If there's little to no reward why would they try. I absolutely understand the mentality.
Right now both parents are often working and working hard at jobs they hate to have very little. Our coworkers in their 20's are in house shares where they get one room in a house with shared kitchen and bathrooms for more than we paid when we were in our first rented houses or flats.
And because information is there at their fingertips now, even kids know about how it is. It's depressing and needs fixed but it's still how it is.
Pretend_Peach3248@reddit
I don’t think it’s a new thing. On my local town’s historical FB page there’s often photos of old news clippings from the 1940s through to 1980s reporting “youngsters” running amuck and “it wasn’t like it in my day” - I think those of us who were able to occupy ourselves innocently in our youth must have been totally removed from those who were not. To be honest; I think I seen examples in newspapers going back into the 1800s when I’ve been elbow deep in genealogy research for my family where young angst and disrespect was reported too!
caughtunaware@reddit
With regards to kids spending a lot of time on tech, I often wonder if us parents in part caused the issue. We are in an age of helicopter parenting, fear of white vans and strange men, parents on social media sharing worries, concerned about knife crime amongst young people etc etc, and we reacted with concerns that are valid.
Personally I had a misspent youth of spending time during on street corners calling police 'pigs' and laughing at them. Not giving a shit I had weed in my pocket and a carryout in my rucksack. Climbing out my bedroom window to join my friends when I got grounded. If I wasn't doing that I was on my NES, later Master System then Mega drive and super NES.
I was one of those kids we worry about today but back in the 80s and early to mid 90s. I was a handful.
auspices@reddit
haha same man, I'd have been in the lower percentile of Terror Teens but enough for the Daily Mail to ask for me to be Judge Dredded
Ambitious_League4606@reddit
Kids seem ok today. They seem to drink and smoke and take drugs less anyway.
caughtunaware@reddit
Way better behaved than I was then. I was a grunge child and my group of friends honestly subscribed to the "better to burn out than fade away" quote. We were nihilistic, good Lord.
NefariousnessKey1851@reddit
I don’t get all the comments that are like “oh every generation says this about the one after them so it can’t be true”. Teachers in all sorts of Western countries are documenting a rise in anti social behaviour. There are statistics to back this up
DrRudeboy@reddit
The less people respect the police and other unjustified authority, the better our society will be. Pondscum terrorising society
auspices@reddit
I'm glad your main concern is that your kids know they are loved and this comes from a good place.
from personal perspective, as a kid growing up same time as you but in a reasonably deprived area my experience was very different - any escape from reality was how I spent my time: reading, movies + gaming. kids in my school were regularly disciplined but didn't make much of a difference if all you want is attention it doesn't matter if its good or bad. cops were never seen as trustworthy and there are now daily reminders of this on the news.
I think with the world as it is and children's much greater awareness of impending doom on most global indicators, I can understand why they might want to retreat into their own worlds. it is on the parents to show interest and build those relationships
Kirmit23@reddit
My kids will go on their iPads or games consoles daily but they also love getting out, climbing trees, exploring forests, building dens. Me and my ex have really instilled the importance of putting the screens away and living in the real world from a young age. Yes, they did used to moan about it but now they nag me to get up and out, kick the football around so I’m happy.
Polz34@reddit
This is literally every generation of teenager ever. I'm 40 and totally had a 'kevin complex' for a while (like Kevin and Perry) - my Dad was a rebellious teenager too as I remember him telling me the stories. My niece (15) and nephew (13) as wayyy better behaved than my siblings and I were as teeenagers
knittedbeast@reddit
People have been saying kids don't have respect for authority any more since ancient greece.
fuckaracist@reddit
People have become poorer. And the poorer a family is, the harder it is raise well-behaved kids. They're also exposed to worse behaviour.
drivingagermanwhip@reddit
Reminder of what kids used to be like https://flashbak.com/schoolkids-oz-read-in-full-the-magazine-that-started-a-revolution-56985/
kioj156@reddit
A generation of soft parenting in afraid, people love to blame technology or society but refuse to confront their own role in the behaviour of their children now.
Lazy_Age_9466@reddit
I think another issue is kids wanting to live at home until an older age. When I was young most parents were still pretty strict even with 17 and 18 year olds living at home. No one of the opposite sex in your bedroom or bedroom door open all the time. Mum hoovering outside your bedroom door for ages if you stayed in bed too long in the morning. Chores and having to eat whatever was cooked for you.
It made most kids very keen for independence. Nowdays life at home for lots of kids is easy, no wonder they do not want to leave home.
And no I do not accept this is about house prices. Only well of kids could buy a home. We all rented crappy rooms in shared houses as it was all we could afford.
absolutetriangle@reddit
My parents didn’t go crying on Reddit about me so they commanded more respect than you do I suppose
ImColinDentHowzTrix@reddit
Jesus Christ man, that's so unnecessarily rude. Do you have a personal grudge against OP or do you just talk to everyone like that?
lovesorangesoda636@reddit
Kids aren't the same because the world isn't the same.
We don't want them to fear police. We want them to see the police as people who can help them. If kids fear the police, they won't go to them when they need help.
We've also lost a lot of the spaces kids used to be in. Open spaces got closed off, kids got told not to just "hang around". Society drove them inside and then complained that kids don't go outside anymore. We can't have a world where kids go out and play in the parks while also treating every kid in the park like they're a nuisance.
Technology is also now designed to be addictive. Games are designed to suck you in and keep you playing. TVs are more common so now you're not fighting over the one in the living room, you're using the one in your bedroom.
And yeah, parenting has changed. When I was little the default was for parents to believe teachers over their kids, now its parents believing their kids. I think this is good because your parents should be on your side... but they also sometimes need a reality check that maybe little Kayleigh is a bit of a shit and needs more boundaries.
Friendly_External345@reddit
There's good and bad. I've got a 19 year old boy, grafts like a dog, on his way to uni. Loves travelling and is prepared to work for it. I've got a 17 year old daughter that is a lazy self entitled little shit. They've both been raised in a good home that gets out the door and works for what we have. It's a lottery
oddmanout22@reddit
You have to take the socio-politico-economic context into account. Which is significantly different now to what it was 30 years ago, 15 years ago even.
Housing crisis, university fees, the NHS, climate crisis..the material conditions for young people have got drastically worse over the last 10 years. Then take covid into account, social media.
The youth have lost faith in the future and who can blame them, we should ourselves accountable for that, we are failing them.
pablothewizard@reddit
We're all totally different today, aren't we?
I think we've regressed collectively. Social media hasn't helped in any way, because so many of us have a world view that's formed by a reality we see online.
It's naive to think that kids would be immune from any of that and the adults have got to start being better first and foremost.
Shyaustenwriter@reddit
Kids are glued to their devices? I was glued to my books as a kid in the 60s and 70s and had very little interest in running around outside. bayou may be extrapolating too much from your own experience
Far_Leg6463@reddit
Kids don’t seem to fear authority. My own 2 boys who are 4 and 2 years of age don’t heed anything nor their mother ask them to do. They just act like they don’t hear it.
When we then shout at them because we are tired from working all day and frustrated the kids just shout back and still don’t do what we say.
Have recently learned the power of the naughty chair though, it seems to be having an impact more than anything else.
Mclarenrob2@reddit
They've seen too much crappy youtube and they think that's normal behaviour.
turkishhousefan@reddit
Your kids aren't clones of you. Also, boring old people have been whining about decline in standards of behaviour in the yoof since at least the time of ancient Greece, but more likely since humans developed the capability to communicate.
Neolithic children must have been faultless saints, if we extrapolate backwards.
Also also, a lot, perhaps most of the time I spent online as a teen I was being what I considered to be "social".
Jack-Rabbit-002@reddit
See I get this as you're practically my age maybe a few months older (sorry 😃) and I do believe its good for a kid to be encouraged to do more outside activities luckily fishing has always been pretty popular in my family which is helping get me back into it specially after losing my Dad
Regarding Tech though I will be bold and say this I feel a lot of parents encourage Let the baby have a tablet or phone keep them quiet etc Also they are getting it from somewhere if you look around the room now I'm sure you'll notice us adults are just as plugged in to our devices
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
British kids
Maximum-Voice-8519@reddit
Its simple friend the immigrants that hate you and the treacherous slimy money power hungry government are destroying europe and the west
Pleasant-chamoix-653@reddit
I think the class system was loosely linked with respect for authority. Thatcher basically asked the question with r2b I'm as good as anyone. So now people ask that question including young kids. By historical norms ost kids today are royalty and think of themselves as such. Many won't do x jobs, drive a car below x years or eat reduced price food. What do we expect
browsingredditsubs@reddit
There are a couple of generations of children who have or are growing up in an era where the internet is ubiquitous and the internet is also now more built to algorithmic curation rather than exploration.
I do think this has changed how young people perceive the world. Both good and bad.
But when you have teachers who are leaving because the children are out of control or more difficult to deal with than ever before. It's probably time to listen rather than hand wave and use the "old person gets mad at young people" trope.
There is clearly something happening. At what scale I'm not well versed enough or experienced enough to say, but there probably should be a discussion.
wayneio@reddit
I am in the same boat as you. If you find the answer please tell me so I can raise my kids well.
My wife was overjoyed at a 'very nice and polite' young boy the other day. I asked what he did, and apparently it was just wishing her a good morning as he passed. The bar is low for a kid to be good these days.
deep8787@reddit
Lack of discipline. They have no repercussions.
Similar principle why crime is a lot higher now too in my opinion, perps get a slap on the wrist so they don't have the fear and carry on.
unbelievablydull82@reddit
The kids where I grew up were wild. Playing keepy uppies with Molotov cocktails, using drain pipes to aim fireworks at people's windows, hanging out in a well known paedophiles house, because he gave them cigarettes. Breaking into the Argos nearby through the delivery door, and stealing loads of toys, ( the kid who did that was 9), and pulling a shotgun out on another kid's aunt because they didn't want to be friends anymore. That was just the tip of the iceberg. Kids now have massive issues, but as an adult it feels more shocking, because we hopefully have more sense
Purple_ash8@reddit
Every generation says this, even about the best kids.
magicpenisland@reddit
Anecdotally, my friends report that their seven year old prefers football and sports to books and computer games. Apparently trying to get him to sit still without an activity is a problem.
Which is funny because both parents have no interest in sports and have no idea where he gets it from.
He’s a good kid, so never heard a report about lack of respect for authority figures.
ImNot_AnNPC@reddit
Mate, every generation has the same damn complaint about the contemporary one.
Give it up.
ClearWhiteLightPt2@reddit
Stop trying to please your kids.
You need to teach them right from wrong.
If they're technology.dependent that's on you. You take away smartphones and tablets and the more tantrums they throw, the longer they have to do without.
Get them out into the countryside and commune with nature.
Get them camping overnight, cooking on open fires or camping stoves.
Do that, and they'll thrive.
trtrtr82@reddit
My daughter is completely different from me when I was a kid and I'm very thankful for that. That's mostly due to her mum but we're divorced so I wouldn't ever tell her that 😀
My daughter is fearless. She will try anything and do anything. She's not afraid to talk to adults (while also understanding correct boundaries). I see her doing swimming, cricket and ice skating lessons and she is always asking her coaches how to do things correctly and taking their advice (though i can't teach her anything!). She goes to one to one swimming lessons and spends the whole 30 minutes chatting to her teacher and basically having a grand old time.
She's curious about the world and never stops asking questions. She's only 7 but has been to India a lot of times with her mum and also to New York without any fuss or complaining.
Basically I think she's great and hopefully her life will be a lot easier than mine is due to the way she is. I'm a big ball of stress and anxiety due to the way I was brought up and it's really hard being me.
No-Process249@reddit
I had a mixture, we were outdoors to move my 486 DX2 tower and CRT to my mates house in a wheelbarrow, to play some early LAN games.
Sunshinetrooper87@reddit
I think one of the factors is we went from one generation of parents who feared the teacher and rightly so as many were horrible cunts to a generation who didn't want that so teachers are less respected as a result.
Own_Art_2465@reddit
Its the same as people on Facebook local groups going on about an explosion in crime. Ask any of these types of they think society is more criminal. In actual fact crime has been dropping for decades, to the point it's roughly half that of the early 90s. Ask yourself instead what has changed in your perception.
I do however think there's been a change in behaviour in general over the last few years-low level rudeness and combativness. I put it down to the internet going mainstream and people taking their social media aggression out into the real world alongside the rise of conspiracy theories.
Mediocre-Grape9187@reddit
Those that grew up in previous generations with discipline now consider it as child abuse, which taught their kids that they can get away with anything with out repercussions, which they took into adulthood. I also don't think it helped that life after 2000 became so expensive households went from 1 person income to needing 2 and kids spend a lot less time with their parents.
Publish_Lice@reddit
Parenting skill issue.
gaznips@reddit
Not sure how old your kids are, OP. But my suggestion as a parent of two is to try and shield them as much as possible from social media and “free” to play gaming. I can see the damage this is doing to the kids around me. I don’t ban it, just limit it and encourage other activities. We’re fortunate enough to do day trips most weekends, in addition to paid activities. You can’t change the system, just navigate it the best you can.
Thomas_More@reddit
I’m certainly not teaching my kids to worship police officers or unearned authority figures. Teachers - yes. Old people, army vets or policy officers - hell no.
I teach them the opposite: every cop on the street protects the interests of the paedophilic corporate elite.
AstroChet@reddit
I don't think lockdown helped, a lot of kids were given tech like iPads or consoles to keep them busy while parents worked from home, not their fault but there is definitely some responsibility that needs to be taken there. Also they aren't punished enough, there are no consequences for their actions, kids will go off the rails in public spaces and their parents sit there and do nothing, further reinforcing their bad behaviour.
The internet doesn't help either, kids see streamers and content creators do ridiculous things in public and get attention, like that kid who would walk into random people's houses uninvited. The other thing are bad influences like Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan to an extent and stuff, they see that and think they can challenge authority and disrespect people just because someone told them it was okay. In an age where almost everything is accessible in a keystroke, we need to be limiting what kids are watching and who they engage with.
Managed screen time, harsher punishments and extra curricular activities are the best way to manage this issue with this generation of kids.
EqualBig714@reddit
Move to a better are
Responsible-Life-960@reddit
The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.
Parsley-Playful@reddit
Nothings changed. You're just and extrovert and your kid isn't.
-qqqwwweeerrrtttyyy-@reddit
I don't disagree with you but kids/teenagers are not the only ones in society who are changing and arguments like yours, whilst hold merit, treats them as though they're in a vacuum. They're not. We've all changed.
Look at the upswing of Karen's and whatever the make counterparts are known as. Social media has rants uploaded every few minutes.
The way adults dress these days is far more youthful. I'm a Gen Xer and adults always looked way older. Now, middle aged are dressing younger, are looking and behaving younger too.
People get so invested in their politics now. I think it probably always mattered but now it seems to be the basis of many adults' identities where I don't feel it was ever so entrenched a generation or so ago.
Audiences are more sophisticated than previously. We're more sceptical and require verification whether that's political messaging, tv/media news & advertising or even going for jobs. Kids & teens are encouraged to be critical thinkers too so they're applying their challenges within these frameworks.
There's more individualism for sure. And that manifests into individual's views mattering more than yours and more hostilities and short temperedness, especially since the pandemic.
Lots of adults are cagey around kids and teens that want to hang out or play. If they're too loud, a complaint is made. If they loiter, a complaint is made. If there's too many of them, a complaint is made. Not that long ago there was a Reddit post plotting what to do for a kid that was playing in their own back yard because the fence sharing neighbour was home sick and couldn't cope with some additional noise (and belief that a few sessions playing football where the ball hit the fence would somehow destroy the paid for boundary).
When you do use 'no' with your kids, let them know that it's a complete sentence, especially around consent and peer pressure. Delve to know what it takes for them to feel loved by you? Maybe they want more words of affirmation or trust demonstrated or knowing that non judgemental forgiveness is there when they make mistakes. Maybe they want mire quality time with you. Maybe they want you to show up to the things and issues that matter to them. You want them to work less to aquire more but what are you instilling about giving back and making small personal sacrifices to benefit others?
Kids have changed but so have everyone else.
OilAdministrative197@reddit
If you look at the policies introduced by the old which destroy the young, id lose respect for my elders too.
Dutch_Slim@reddit
My experience is very similar. I hung around with good kids and rough kids, and they all had respect for someone be it a teacher, family friend, sibling. I see kids now with apparently no respect for anyone but a huge demand that people respect them.
Also agree with the comments about weapons. Having spent my teen years between East London and rural/industrial Essex, the spread of knife crime out of London is clear to see.
Matt_Moto_93@reddit
Your kids tend to turn out more or less how you raise them.
My kid has interaction with technology, but always supervised. We play an hour of playstation on the weekend. He can ask to control his spotify playlist, but under our supervision (this prevents him just endlessly srolling and selecting different songs every 10 seconds!). We occasionally let him play a game on the ipad or iphone, but this is to our discretion - he rarely, and I mean rarely ever asks to do this.
We give him a lot of construction type toys to play with - lego, magnetiles, etc - and lots of opportunities for him to be creative (arts and crafts, projects in the garden, so on). We play with him, wengage with him - small wqorld play (think stories played out with the soft toys, with playmobile, lego etc). He has 30 mins TV in the morning, 30 mins in the afternoon. On weekends we sometimes relax a little and watch a film together as a family.
All in all, you've got to raise the children you hope they will be. Give them the direction when they are young, and put the work in - get down on your knees to their level and interact and play with them. Read to them, and when they watch TV watch it with them when possible, talk about the programmes with them, see how it can be encorporated int o their play.
Get them out and about as well. The local park, forests, the seaside. national trust places, sporting events (where appropiate), museums, themed events, swimming together.
As adults we've lost our way, we've forgotten what it's like to bve creative, to play, to ut down our devices and get busy doing something.
So if the kids of today are seemingly a bit shit, then I'd look at the parents of today for that.
Benend91@reddit
I dunno, I’m 34 and when I was a kid I played OSRS all day everyday. In fact most of my friends did.
DameKumquat@reddit
Kids are different from their parents shocker.
I have teenagers. They're like me in the sense none of us have ever voluntarily kicked a ball,.but one wants to make loads of money and is constantly coming up with business ideas and jobs, the other wants to stay home forever and just read (TBF I did the reading too).
But when I was a teenager loads of kids were.going to nightclubs at 13/14 and getting wasted - that's a lot rarer now. Some carried knives and got in fights, there were groups 'steaming' shops (30 kids run in and all run out with stolen goods), every Friday and Sat night had fights outside pubs, homophobia and racism/anti-Irish sentiment were rife - the kids now, mostly, are a fair.bit better, but there's huge variation depending on the precise area and group.
They really aren't 'obviously' worse.
GingerPrince72@reddit
Kids are screwed now, the school run, no exercise blah blah. I’m on holiday in Japan right now where the school run doesn’t exist , kids of all ages walk home. It was boring down today and we drove past tone of 5-7 year olds all with their brollies , laughing and having a great time in puddles and having some freedom.
Boul_D_Rer@reddit
I was an indoor video game with a pack of mini rolls kid in the 90-2000s.
Now I’m an outdoor “me want bouldering now!” dude, can’t stand staying indoors.
drivingagermanwhip@reddit
I spent my entire childhood on the computer and my mum had to beg me to go outside. Didn't have a games console or a tv because my parents thought it would be too addictive. I'd mess around with desktop publishing software rather than going to the park. I'm exactly the same age as you.
Honestly this post is weird and you sound like you're cosplaying as your parents.
nostalgebra@reddit
I'm probably a similar age and also have two kids. Plainly put the most spoiled kid I knew when I was growing up is nothing compared to kids these days. A lot of parents indulge their every whim and consequently we've had a generation or two now that don't respect anything other than their own wants and needs.
PKblaze@reddit
Repercussions barely exist. That's the difference. The police seldom do anything, teachers hands are tied, and parents don't do much to teach kids respect or to not be little shits.
As for being outside and tech and whatnot. Whilst more common now due to tech being more common, there have always been people who prefer being indoors, less socializing and more focused on individual hobbies. It was books then TV and movies and now it's phones and video games.
Lewis-1230@reddit
Because there are no punishments.
There is no incentive to work.
Because it’s easier to do crime nowadays.
Because they like attention
LewisMileyCyrus@reddit
is it though? generations ago there was no CCTV, no mobiles filming evidence, no sharing of said evidence over social media either through bragging or shaming or lust for engagement, no auto-recognition of licence plates, no tracking of people via mobiles etc
Which crimes are easier now? Besides cybercrime, which was notoriously bloody difficult pre-internet
Lewis-1230@reddit
I’d say so because while there are a lot of deterrents that exist, there are also a lot of ways to learn about crime as opposed to say 100 years ago when they would have had to learn on the go.
Smaller crimes I would assume are easier and more profitable. Like pickpocketing for example.
HughWattmate9001@reddit
Kids today are growing up differently. Socialising outside of school is far less common, and even the way they interact at school has changed. There's been a shift in teaching styles and in what children are expected to know at different stages. Parents are also stretched thinner now, often working longer hours, which means there's less quality family time. Many homes in the UK don’t even have a dining table anymore, and it’s common for every room to have its own TV. I remember when there was just one TV in the living room. If Mum or Dad were watching something, that was it. I had no choice but to go outside, ride my bike, or call on friends the old-fashioned way by knocking on doors. Most of them were in the same situation, so we naturally ended up spending time outdoors together.
TheGnomeSecretary@reddit
Do you remember all the cranky elders banging on about the collapse of society and the youth of today in the 90s? When gameboys and rave music and horror films were signs of the impending apocalypse? Remember how they all used to yap it up about not having tv / computers / Walkmans / weird hair / strange slang back in their day and how kids were more polite and streets were safer and how a clip round the ear never did anyone any harm? Remember how they thought any kid stuck indoors was wasting their life, but as soon as that kid went outside they magically became a serious gangster hell bent on destroying the neighbourhood with their wickedy wickedy wack rapping and skateboard crimes? Remember how you and your mates all rolled your eyes and ignored them? Do you remember what massive wankers you thought they were? Well, that’s you now, that is. You’re them now, you are.
shangodjango@reddit
The complete lack of self awareness from elder generations in this country is something that needs to be studied.
sharkmaninjamaica@reddit
technology erodes authority
authority suddenly is something a lot of people yearn for when they get to middle age which biases your perception towards there being a lack of it
personally I grew up in a very strict regime and it fucked me up. I’ll never be able to forgive my parents for the daily fear and anxiety they made me endure, and the innate believe of incompetence and guilty conscious I can’t shake to this day because no matter what my dad would find something to go absolutely mental about
it made me so scared of adults I wouldn’t engage with teachers at school and fell behind, which became circular as every bad report was another bollocking and with each bollocking I withdrew further and further
it’s why with my kids, tho I doubt I’ll get the balance righr, imma always er on the side of under discipline than over discipline. Don’t fancy being estranged from them because they’re angry at a stolen childhood like I am with my parents
I think as the new parents (millennials now mainly) have become more aware of the effects of trauma (they weren’t easily sugar coated and dealt with for us as we didn’t end up mysteriously orders of magnitude wealthier than the parents who subjected us to it - funny how that turned trauma into “didn’t do me no ‘arm”). This is why now u see less discipline I think
I apologize on behalf of all other chilled out dads for my future little terrors running round without any respect! Hopefully me living my life as a decent citizen will present them with a role model they feel like emulating - the power of that is way to often forgotten, probably not helped by the absence of father figures
DiZ1992@reddit
Some of this is just "back in my day kids were better" stuff, but I think there is a real difference in there and it's caused by the social Internet.
Kids have always wanted to rebel against authority figures, and have always liked pushing boundaries. Every generation since time began have complained that "kids these days are worse than we were".
Having said that, social media with its rampant misinformation and brain-hacking addictive design really is something no previous generation has had to deal with and I think it is having an impact. Andrew Tate-esque figures that talk real crap are somehow role models to huge numbers of kids when in past generations they wouldn't have had the opportunity to reach a large audiences, it's hard to be surprised kids are talking about raping each other when half of them look up to a man who has pending sex-trafficing and rape charges in multiple countries. People constantly accusing "the other side" of this or that atrocity and consipracy theorists taking prominant roles in governments and popular culture means that all trust in authority and each other gets eroded, and I don't really find it surprising that this environment leads to more aggressive kids. Parents find it harder to gatekeep what their kids see/hear now than back in the day when you just had to lock up the TV, and even if you do keep them off the internet they'll probably just hear it at school anyway or get bullied for not seeing it in the first place.
Tough times.
EventExcellent8737@reddit
Different compared to who? You as kid was different to a post war era kid who was different to a Victorian era kid who was different to a medieval England kid. Nothing new under the Sun just another iteration
Exotic_Air7985@reddit
Ask Tate and other bellends who are shapping youths mentality through social media.
Cause4concern27@reddit
Kids this days are, for the most part, decent. We only read about the ones that are shit bags because that's what gets the clicks. The Internet, being what it is, would rather focus on those who are twats and not the normal, well behaved, decent ones as they don't generate views.
Stunning-Profit8876@reddit
What a load of old wibble.
There are good kids and bad kids, the same as there always has been.
TunedOutPlugDin@reddit
I blame the music, it's not like it was in my day!
Sure-Exchange9521@reddit
In the words bo burnham "mommy let you use her iPad You were barely two, and it did all the things we designed it to do."
Whole-Being8618@reddit
Bad parenting
TheDeadender@reddit
I don’t know the answer - but I think it’s probably true. For my part as a parent I’ve tried to not repeat how I was brought up, which I’d say is probably typical in the 80s and early 90s, which was fine of course but I also lived in fear of my folks kicking my ass and that’s definitely impacted me as an adult. As a result I’ve probably been a bit more lax with my own kids and want them to feel empowered to make good decisions or learn from bad ones, and occasionally that’s led to back chat or over confidence. There’s probably a middle ground and we’re all learning I guess
Money_Run_793@reddit
1, parents keep an eye on their children much more than they did in previous generations, due to safety concerns, which made it so that any child/teenager who was not with their parents is one who’s parents probably do not care, which made for some unruly children. This view of children got extrapolated to all children/teenagers, to the point where teenagers do not feel welcome in public spaces, as the general view of them is that they’re “up to something”
2, this along with the increasing accessibility of technology made it so instead of spending time outside, kids feel much safer and free of judgement to spend time online. Taking away this freedom is bound to cause some disdain, as there is not a culture of hanging out with friends, everything is online now due to point 1.
3, kids don’t respect authority figures for 2 reasons. One is that those in authority are rarely equipped to be in power, and simply got the job because they applied for it. Most teachers do not care for the wellbeing of students, and I’d argue some do it for the power they have over kids. As for police officers, they straight up don’t care anymore. You can call the police to report someone smoking weed or doing drugs, and they will tell you that it’s not that big a problem. Why care for the law when those upholding it don’t seem to care for it themselves.
I’d blame this all on cultural shifts and the publics perception of children and teenagers
Appropriate-Dig-7080@reddit
Every generation is different as society and the world is constantly changing. Do you think you were exactly the same as the generation before you?
One_Nectarine3077@reddit
It's hard to be a positive influence when they carry a negative and demanding one around with them all the time. My kids were the same way, and I never did find out how to break them of that habit consistently
SimpleManc88@reddit
Shared hun xo
SecondSun1520@reddit
Because a lot of parents think they should be their kids' friends not their parents.
cybertonto72@reddit
I was born in the 70's and thought that kids in the op's had no respect. I think every generation thinks they where better behaved than they seemed to the older generations
AdRealistic4984@reddit
I’m born in 1997 and everything you listed applied to my generation too
CeresToTycho@reddit
Everything is shit and getting shitter.
What's the point of behaving when the police do so little when actual crimes take place, good grades in school don't guarantee a job of any kind etc etc.
Yes, there is still a lot of good in the world, but the reality is no longer "Be good and try hard, you will be rewarded", it is "regardless of who you are, you'll struggle".
TeaBoy24@reddit
There is an epidemic of bad parenting mixed with an epidemic of unmanaged technology.
Hence why you basically have kids that can't do anything and younger generations, even those both towards the end of the 90s have so many mental health issues.
And that's not even mentioning the issue of drugs where legal highs were imported from Hina and sold everywhere and I barely know anyone who doesn't remember them from their youth (I am not from the UK). These were legal because they were not the banned drugs and there were holes in the law. Synthetic drugs. I dare say, china has learned a lesson from the British and did this across the UK and US (eg. Fentanyl crisis, also made in china) but hey, that's probably too much of a conspiracy theory rather than an educated guess based on history.
But yes. Discipline is non existent. Discipline comes from the word Deciple. It's not a beating... It's leading by example, rewarding the good and punishing the bad.
Many younger parents nowadays Don have a clue how to be a parent, and their parents were not too great at it either. Not never due to negligence as a societail loss of knowledge via changes in economics.
throwaway_ArBe@reddit
What you describe happened all the time with previous generations. I sulked if me mum took me ps1. I was a twat, I didn't give a shit if someone told me mum, certainly didn't give a shit about any other authority until I got a conviction. I wasn't an outlier either.
Serious_Escape_5438@reddit
My child absolutely loves running around with friends and socialising. But you have to create suitable opportunities. She doesn't want to hang out alone in the garden or go for a boring walk, she wants the park with friends.
cannontd@reddit
Well, we gave them the smartphones so I'd day the blame lies solely at our door.
We have some deals with our lad, we just take the brun tof the moans about putting his phone away or whatever because it's our fault and then for the time he is without it, he is absolutely fine.
There's nothing new here, my parents wanted me to get off the Amiga and go outside, their dad's wanted to smash the TV in and so on.
These kids these days are far more accepting of differences in people - I think this is a result of wider exposure to the outside world and, for good or bad, are not just brough up on a diet of what their parents think. They have far more diverse and different social groups. Mine was "people from school" and "people who knocked about on our street" - ours has his rugby mates, EAFC mates, school mates, whatsapp mates etc etc.
I'm not really worried about them.
WelshBen@reddit
It's generally the parenting, or lack there of and that's always been the way.
My son is kind and empathetic and has ambitions.
I would say overall that kids are actually slightly better than they were. The data shows that physical discipline was mostly a net negative so now that's cut down the prospects are better.
turtlebeqch@reddit
Weak men create hard times. The Millenial fathers did a bad job of raising kids, most kids I know just go to school then come home to an iPad
Flugelhaw@reddit
My toddler feels that time spent without a book in her hand is a waste of time. Unless there is sausage, in which case she'll devour it and then get back to her books.
A large part of how children grow up is the parenting, for good and for bad. Another large part is what they are exposed to day-in and day-out: what are they reading / watching / hearing, what are they discussing with their friends, what physical activities have been made easily accessible enough for them to be able to do without difficulty getting started?
If society doesn't give children time to learn and develop as children and as people, and doesn't give parents the time and support and breathing space to be good parents, then of course the children aren't going to grow up well-adjusted to anything.
And if grandparents aren't as involved as they used to be, and if families are smaller with fewer siblings, fewer aunts and uncles and fewer cousins, with family get-togethers happening less often and for shorter periods of time and being smaller with fewer people, etc etc, then of course there is going to be a drift compared to previous generations.
What is the solution? Very little that any one person can effect, but nonetheless, one person standing up for their own values and parenting in a way that might buck modern or social media trends but that does give their children a better experience can make a huge difference for that child.
Regantowers@reddit
Couple of things I had to do was to understand kids do not grow up in the same world you did, generationally people growing up in the 50s and 60s could correlate with kids in the 80's and 90's. To your other point about authority, the amount of information people can consume online is eye watering many things online will show you a "hack" or a "auditor" showing how to get around things, then there is just plain lies online but at an influential age this can mould your personality.
GeggingIn@reddit
I have a bit of theory. About same age as OP, when we were younger old people fought the Nazis and liberated Europe.
Now, it is published that old people voted them out of Europe, destroyed the environment and stole all their money.
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