What’s keeping you in the UK instead of moving abroad?

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Am_I_Miriam@reddit

As someone who came to the UK a few years ago, it's everything. The countryside is beautiful, I actually like the weather (I don't do well at over 25°C). The people are nice and I can do what I want when I want and am living my best life. Things are manageable for the time being... I am that fortunate that I can leave at any point (EU citizen), but things aren't as bad in the UK for me to be happier elsewhere if I moved. But the main reason- I like living in the UK, it's that simple🖖🏼

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thebuttonmonkey@reddit

That’s the British positive altitude in action! ‘What’s great about the UK?’ ‘Well, things are manageable for the time being…’

"What’s keeping you in the UK instead of moving abroad?"

Elderly parents.

"If you’ve ever seriously thought about leaving - what made you stay?"

Elderly parents.

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Speesh-Reads@reddit

I left (for Denmark, in 2004. Because I met someone. It was easier back then because of being in the EU. I didn’t leave because I had any negative feelings about the UK, it was mainly because I’d had enough of my job and couldn’t see a way out, until my(now) wife showed up. I felt as well, that I should grab the chance, as I was worried about regretting not trying it if I stayed.

I seem to have fitted in rather well over here, speak the language fluently all day, every day and have a job I love - working in a hospital. And I am Danish now, dual citizenship anyway, though my British passport has run out. So I get stopped at customs while they figure that out.

I made sure, when I was making the decision, that I was ok with not moving back. I also, once my heart had said yes, wrote two columns of advantages and disadvantages down. I figured my head would go with the longest column.

I don’t dislike the UK at all, it’s just now, after only having been over a handful of times in the last 21 years (the last three times, for funerals), ‘my England,’ doesn’t exist anymore outside of my head. I’m visiting Leeds where I lived from 1978-2004, this July and the people I’m visiting reckon I won’t recognise the place. Exciting!

I don’t know the actual rules for moving to Denmark nowadays, but I can’t think they’ll be so much different than they were when I moved. You probably either need a job to move to, or move with enough money to ensure you do not need state support, until you do get something sorted. I had sold my house, so was fine.

I say, if you’re curious, try it.

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LumpyTrifle5314@reddit

My friend lives in Denmark on a sponsored Job role.

He's not picked up the language because it's company policy that everyone has to speak English if there are any non-native workers in the office, his partner is also Swedish...

Like it's not because he's British, it's because they're an international company and that's the lingua franca they've chosen.

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Speesh-Reads@reddit

I’ve said since I first came here, that I could have survived perfectly well without learning Danish. The vast majority of Danes can get by in English. They learn it in school and social media and most of the internet is obviously in English. I wanted to learn and learn quickly, so I could get a job. And understand football commentators.

I feel that Britons are too harsh on themselves about not learning other languages. The question is ‘why?’ The rest of the world can communicate to ‘us’ in English. And which language should ‘we’ learn? It’s also easier to pick it up when you’re surrounded by it all day. In the start, and sometimes even now, Danes will hear your accent (you never lose it) and will answer your broken Danish, in English. You have to be strong and tell them to continue in Danish, as otherwise you ain’t gonna learn nothing…

Nowadays, I don’t think about it at all. I communicate. Sometimes I even surprise myself with how much Danish I know and can speak really quickly. Plus, language also gives insights into their way of thinking, generally. On a simple level, if I say to you, we’ll meet at 7.30, I say ‘half past seven.’ Danes say ‘half TO seven.’

England is not where I am from, however I’m “stuck” here now because of my child. It’s been my home for many years, however I do feel the temptation to leave is stronger now for the reasons above. However - there is no perfect place.

I love when people say how brilliant a place is, and how much better it is than the UK, when their experience was their time on holiday.

You live in a commuter town near a big city and you even say it's expensive, but can't imagine there are cheaper areas that are nicer?

Theres plenty of really nice places in Devon and Cornwall with very low crime rates compared to anywhere near a city, great communities with properties cheaper than any commuter town.

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ettabriest@reddit

I don’t live in a commuter town. It’s a post industrial shite hole. We don’t have the same affordable public transport up here either so commuting on a poorly paid job really isn’t worth it. Look up Bolton. There’s a good article in the guardian about it. It’s as far from Guildford as it could be. I want to see these lovely properties around £200k, please show me them.

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-_-___--_-___@reddit

Well you said you have train and motorway links for a city that is only 12 miles away. Sounds like a commuter town to me.

weird sense of community you only get here.

It may still be good for many people, but it could have been absolutely amazing. We were robbed of an incredible society by greedy boomers.

Imagine waiting days for major surgery instead of years, always able to see your GP that day, dentist that week, free childcare, high wages, no potholes, no urban decay, thriving towns and cities that are clean, low crime, the list goes on. We could have had all this except some incompetent and corrupt politicians and bigoted billionaire media owners stole it from us to enrich themselves.

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Ambitious_League4606@reddit

Firstpoet@reddit

In my late 60s but well off enough to travel and then come back to a lovely bit of Britain well away from the crappy bits.

That said, my kids took their tech businesses abroad. One would like to return at some point but is in a country with zero corporation tax and 20% max income tax so no incentive.

We go and stay with them a lot so we know their cities well. Best of both worlds really. Beautiful less trod bit of the Midlands plus two international cities we live in for parts of the year. Coffee by the Baltic or the best street food in Asia.

If I was under 30, though, I'd be off like a shot! Travel and work is MUCH easier now for a working class boy than in the 1970s. No EU then. No Internet. Closed professions. Who you knew and old money vital. Research? Bits of paper. Something like streetview on Google was undreamed of. Working class people still hardly ever went abroad. Flying before cheap airlines was incredibly expensive- the days of the BA cartel as it were. Sexism- young working class women never moved abroad. The tiny number who did were remarkable.

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Colonel_Wildtrousers@reddit

They even had a better brand of smugness in the 70s, judging by the boomers on Reddit 😂

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Robynsxx@reddit

Learning a foreign language is basically impossible for me. I’ve never been able to manage it. All the other English speaking countries aren’t in much better shape.

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Psittacula2@reddit

May I ask which foreign language you would have wanted to learn and how you approached?

I think a lot of language learning is not effective and that ends up deterring people. With that said to learn a language effectively does require a lot of intense learning also which is the other barrier. But they are surmountable once these 2 barriers are understood.

Even if you stay in the UK, learning a language can be extremely rewarding if you have spare time and also passion or energy for doing it.

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Robynsxx@reddit

My dyslexic. In school I couldn’t learn either Spanish or French

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Yes and no. I'm sorry but a lot of that is skewed by the fact people are arriving in Sydney and Melbourne.

Yeah of course you won't get housing easily there.

But greater Adelaide, an hours train ride from the CBD is affordable and available.

Perth has a great transit network and again, affordable outside of the CBD.

It's no different to living in South Kent and working in London, it's a similar commute.

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Ok_Neat2979@reddit

Sorru your info fromn. People are sleeping in cars and tents in Perth. Rentals open for inspection have 30 plus people turning up hoping to get the place. .More and more suburbs have an average price of a million dollar plus, way outside the cbd. If you're moving across the world for a better life, living in a bland outer suburb with an hour commute isn't it. Aussie outer suburbs aren't like the British ones that still have some community and character.

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OkayTimeForTheTruth@reddit

I thought it was actually very hard to move to Aus, NZ or Canada unless you've a job lined up and a sponsor?

I know some that tried and failed.

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BenidormEnjoyer@reddit

“big part”

have you seen how difficult it is to get a visa out there?

1) family and friends 2) language barrier+ visa/beauracacy barrier 3) the desire not to feel like an outsider and just general emotive reasons

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ThrowRA678397@reddit

1) family and friends 2) language barrier+ visa/beauracacy barrier 3) the desire not to feel like an outsider and just general emotive reasons

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ThrowRA678397@reddit

1) family and friends 2) language barrier+ visa/beauracacy barrier 3) the desire not to feel like an outsider and just general emotive reasons

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Several-Support2201@reddit

Honestly, I think if you're leaving 'from' something your move will be less successful than if you're moving 'too' something, even if the thing you're moving too is just an intense curiosity to try living in a new country.

Leaving to escape is a negative starting point and to me implies that you may potentially have built up the new destination in your head and being vulnerable to disappointment.

This is always my overwhelming impression reading these "how to escape the UK" posts - there's big problems here no doubt but it's never as awful as the posters make out and it makes me question how much they know about, forever example, the housing crisis in Aus, NZ, Canada, Ireland etc.

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Brilliant-Writing693@reddit

To

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Psittacula2@reddit

All those housing crisis are from mass immigration as well to note.

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Makkel@reddit

Can't speak for the other ones, but as a French person living in England, I can tell you that everything I hear about the NHS here I hear some variation of about France. I don't think the system is better or worse, it is very comparable, and unfortunately on the same path.

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wurst_katastrophe@reddit

There is either “you pay it all yourself” (the rest of the world) or the NHS (world’s envy) - that’s what is being hammered into people’s minds. Genius move by the government.

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Flugelhaw@reddit

Everywhere has its problems. The phrase "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" exists for a reason.

At least here I know what the problems are and can take steps to mitigate them.

Also, in terms of language, I am pretty good at the language spoken here. I'm less good at the languages spoken elsewhere, although I do have some basics and skills, but it would be a very difficult variable to deal with if I were to move abroad.

My family is all here. That's a strong anchor to stay.

As long as you don't read and buy into the Daily *ail then the UK is great. We are cheaper than many countries despite the current economic climate, the NHS is an absolute godsend, great culture, great history, incredible countryside and by and large, great people.

I like that we don't take ourselves too seriously and compared to e.g. the USA, we are light years ahead in terms of education, tolerance, culture and making the country a great place to live.

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djashjones@reddit

Stick with what you know. The UK is a shit hole but it's my shit hole. Other countries have just bad issues as we do.

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Larnak1@reddit

By international comparison it's certainly among the bunch of least shit-holy countries though

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Dry_Interaction5722@reddit

Not enough money to move and not really enough skills to get a job in a nice country.

Yeah, you will get different shades of grey depending on where you move in different areas, and there are probably places where you can say it's overall better than in the UK - but moving to someone foreign is always a net negative on your ability to integrate, your familiarity with things, and a lacking support network. It's great if you are looking for an adventure or have another good reason to do it, but "it's shit in the UK" is not a good enough reason to move.

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coffeewalnut08@reddit

Mild climate, green landscapes, our native flora and fauna, the history, my family and partner being here, low risk of natural disasters (relatively speaking), the NHS, how small and compact and easily navigable the country is, it’s a broadly safe and organised society, good drivers, English-speaking, high educational standards.

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Leglesslonglegs@reddit

Family and friends, and general british culture/attitude.

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Product_of_Yakub@reddit

Worked like that for me

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Real23Phil@reddit

I was born here and lived here most of my life, other than when I was in the Army and got moved about.

My sister has had a hard time... disabled... single mother of seven... like she needs more support medically, psychologically, financially, etc... moving abroad is the LAST thing that would help.

My Spanish friend loves the weather and architecture here, Spain is too hot and looks like shit he says.

Italian friend doesn't love the weather here, but came for the CULTURE, friendly people and opportunities. Back home in Italy everyone is rude and in your business and there's nothing to do as a young person.

My American friends in Germany love it... but they will be coming back to raise their kids in the UK.

My British friends in the USA loves it but will also be coming back to raise their kids.

My Canadian friends can't afford to buy a house back home, London is much more affordable, not just the property but also the cost of living. Also there's nothing to do and it's cold and rains too much, the weather here is much nicer.

My NZ friend in Canada will also be coming back to the UK for the above reasons, she earns ridiculous money in Canada, but it buys you nothing, a pay cut back in the UK will see her way better off.. She's also looking forward to coming back to some CULTURE and seeing more of Europe.

My British/Swedish friends in Denmark miss the FOOD scene in the UK, especially London. But I think they're the only people I know who are planning to not come back to the UK... Sweden is calling next...

My other Swedish friend will never move back though because everyone is too cliquey and won't make welcome new friends and judge you if you're a childless single women in their 40s.

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will_i_hell@reddit

My wife, she won't move away from family. i would sell up and go right now if she was on board with it..

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Keeeeeech@reddit

Can't afford to leave but got no love for the place

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tokavanga@reddit

Absolutely fantastic independent school for my kids.

Even when it has got significantly more expensive recently.

Just on wrong side of Pennines...

Though in all seriousness there are indeed plenty of nice spots there.

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winnie_poohbear@reddit

Moved abroad, and lived abroad for over 7 years. Moved back to the UK in 8 years ago and have never been happier.

Most People that are "Leaving this shit hole" have never actually lived abroad and do not understand the little things that make life so easy/comfortable here.

People just read the predominantly negative news and then get into a feedback loop of reading doom and gloom which is pushed by the media as it generates more clicks and more revenue.

sobrique@reddit

All of my stuff is here.

Healthcare. I have ADHD and am being prescribed medication. My partner has a bunch of health complications. This isn't insurmountable, but the overhead of relocating and restarting is high.
I like my job and what I do. I'm sure I could enjoy being another job somewhere else, but finding a new job daunts me.
I like English culture generally. Sure, there's some not so good bits, but I think there's plenty of good stuff to revel in.
I like the UK - for all the weather is a bit 'meh' some of the year, we don't really get extreme weather. Likewise wildlife. And we've a lot of cultural heritage and lovely cities/towns/villages to be proud of.

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nra43vr@reddit

The next 5-year plan is the UAE 🇦🇪. We have been here since 2013, and everything has just gotten worse. The most annoying part is that there is money for war and housing illegal immigrants, while we see on a daily basis who and what is the subject of the next budget cut. It's disgusting.

The only thing that keeps us here are the kids in school.

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Psittacula2@reddit

I notice any comments objecting or stating a preference to leave have been downvoted to zero so far in this thread… let me back up what you just stated: UK Government has its own agenda and it is not for the benefit of the UK lawful citizen eg with respect to property rights, wealth and fundamentally “Lady Justice” being the dominant principle in civic society. As you state the use of money in policy budgets is criminal by the state to put it mildly. It is the sacking of the wealth of the nation via the back-door and by design. Eg spending billions on boat people is very much by design not accident. That is just the visible version of the iceberg also.

As you say, most people have strong family bonds that keep them in their own nation as perhaps the major reason most people stay ultimately.

Let’s draw back a bit, this question is asked often here for the following major reasons:

Generates clicks and comments
The weather really gets people down
The betrayal of Trust Society by the government builds its own momentum over time and percolates through to the collective “zeitgeist” (see various disgruntled comments here)
The dream of a life that is on the path to improvement, the promised sunny upper slopes that bit closer to heaven on Earth. By dodging the slough of state made problems in the UK, this seems a viable solution abroad and it can be.
The question is multi-faceted involving many complex variables most notably Family ties vs Future improvement and the state of money and economics and quality of life eg some cultures prioritize living eg Latino and other work eg East Asia… and on it goes.

Overall, although some comments are truthful that the UK under the right alignment is a wonderful place, that is a substantial caveat for most people! Thus I find the one liner responses here drumming up the UK as all glittering gold to be fool’s gold, seemingly bot produced with no insights to offer other than advertising puffs artificial marketing, “You won’t believe how good x is…!” Empty vessels.

On the subject of schooling, if I can offer some advice:

* Focus on English and Maths core academics

* If the kids have a special flair for another academic subject then include that but focus on a few.

* Encourage the kids to branch out for skill based subjects: Art, Musical instrument (private tuition even), Language, Coding, DIY etc

* Experience exposure eg charity work, trekking and camping, team work, work experience (this is esp. solid by short sessions and many varieties of work)…

Don’t overly worry about grades otherwise. Ensure a rounded experience can be lived and then enhanced upon. Good Luck!

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ldn-ldn@reddit

What cost of living? People who are complaining have never lived elsewhere.

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Big_Attempt8912@reddit

I’m nearly 40. It’s too late. Plus, I have my loved one here and life here.

I also would not like to live somewhere I don't speak the language fluently, which limits me to english speaking countries.

You can learn. It's a great skill to have regardless of where you decide to live.

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lebannax@reddit

Yeh I don’t get why people assume moving abroad is super easy. The main thing that would get me is the loneliness and isolation and always feeling like an outsider. Most people want to stay in their ‘home’ unless they’re forced to move due to war for instance

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Careful-Swimmer-2658@reddit

I've visited over 50 countries. I've enjoyed them all in their own way and if I was rich I'd happily have a second home in most of them but I'd still live here most of the time. It's home.

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Admirable-Web-4688@reddit

Lived abroad for more than five years but we came back to have a child - it was great where we lived but not the right environment for having a baby and we thought we'd have more family support here. However, both our families live in the southeast which we can't afford so we've ended up hundreds of miles away with no support anyway.

I'm desperate to go back. Our quality of life was so much better, we could do regular activities, travel cheaply, eat out, experience new things - all stuff we can't afford here. It was safe, very little crime, just a much better environment. Also, living somewhere with good weather has such a huge impact on wellbeing.

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Fun-Cheesecake-5621@reddit

I earn much more in the UK than I would abroad and I have loads of annual leave. My family is here, I actually like the weather, my partner and I both have health things going on and also IVF treatment which of course we have treatment through the NHS, I acknowledge the country isn’t perfect but it could 100% be much much worse.

The grass isn’t always greener.

There is a reason why people want to come live here.

I travel a lot and my favourite place in the world is Italy (I hope to buy a holiday home there in the future).

However everytime I come home from my travels I always think how lucky I am to live in the UK.

I am also one of those who is actually proud to be British. I don’t hate my country, I understand our history the bad and the GOOD as there is a lot of be proud of too.

I think we too easily in the UK, moan constantly about everything.

It could be worse, and it is in a lot of counties.

Despite everyone constantly moaning how bad the UK is, life isn't bad at all here. You have everything at an arm's length, you can order everything to your doorstep within a day, jobs pay better than most of the world and it's pretty safe if you don't end up really unlucky.

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No_Watercress8348@reddit

Things may be rocky here but I can’t see anywhere with ideal situations elsewhere so better the divil you know imo.

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dartarrow@reddit

I've lived and worked in 4 countries in the past 13 years. I'm not tied to the UK. I'll move again if and when it feels right.

Having money helped; I saved every penny since I started working. Having a good education and an in-demand position helped. Being childfree helped. I'm not tied to possession and luxury which also helps. I've slept on a blanket on the floor in the winter because it was needed as part of the move.

I've picked the life of an immigrant. It's not easy, but it's for me.

What you want is not just to ask the people who are here why they're here. You want to ask people who left how they left.

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-qqqwwweeerrrtttyyy-@reddit

No EU passport :-(

Yes I know they're talking about bringing it back but being different. But by then, I'll already be too old.

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lavayuki@reddit

The UK is “abroad” to me. I already lived in Ireland which was worse, and Japan, and now UK. I find the UK the easiest to live and also freedom, multiculturalism, overall fairness and convenience is great. You would be surprised how many countries lack these seemingly basic things.

Ireland was basically the sticks and was actually more expensive to live, super inconvenient.

Japan was nice but the working hours averaging in the 60-100 hour range, I just don’t have the Japanese work ethic to join into their work culture. You can’t just leave when you are finished, and it’s common to work unpaid overtime and get the last train home, especially in my career (healthcare, which is worse than normal office jobs for hours). So Japan is just a holiday destination for me now.

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fleurmadelaine@reddit

The grass isn’t always greener. I’ve lived abroad, my husband has too.

We are extremely privileged to live in this country. 90% of our problems are first world problems.

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BroodLord1962@reddit

Cost, inability to speak another language, lack of required skills to get a job, qualifications to move...it's not like anyone to can move anywhere they want. It's a bit of a daft question really. Many countries today will only allow you to move there if you have a skill they are short in, or a very large bank balance.

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AGIwhen@reddit

£20,000 a year can be added to a stocks and shares ISA so taxes are actually relatively low when looked at whole income. Personal income tax allowance covers a lot that is held out of ISA.

Free healthcare, not perfect, but it's there when I need it and don't have any ongoing health issues anyway.

Libraries mean I have access to unlimited free books and audiobooks. Can read the news for free with no ads on the BBC.

Beautiful countryside.

Own my property so low cost of living.

Relatively stable country and politics.

Can get everything delivered.

Public transport that mostly works so don't need a car and can walk most places I need.

Cheap electricity during the day on agile tariff. Cheap water rates (£10 a month)

balconygreenery@reddit

Just stump up for a holiday and discover how expensive the rest of the world is.

A lot of countries are in the same boat with cost of living increases.

Might not be as bad or in the same areas/industry but the prices are all up.

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AgeofVictoriaPodcast@reddit

The only reason I would want to leave the UK is because of the cost of living crisis. My family, life, work, cultural background, is entirely based in the UK.

If I hadn't had stagnant pay for over a decade, and my food/electricity bill hadn't skyrocketed, I'd be incredibly happy here.

Moving aboard won't help that. I'm a Civil Servant, so I am not going to just walk into a job in New Zealand. My elderly parents, and my teenagers aren't going to want to move there either.

Because I have a great life here - it is that simple.

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griffaliff@reddit

I was offered a job in Vienna, all visa paperwork sorted, accommodation etc but I'm married and own my house here. If I was single I would have jumped ship straight away. That and my mates are here plus having already spent three months working over in Austria, which is absolutely stunning and very well run, I'd miss the banter and English sense of humour too much.

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PomPomBumblebee@reddit

The UK is a bit shit but it's not bad. Some other places have it way worse and things out of your control like extreme weather, earthquakes and worse healthcare.

We can cope with things being a bit crap, it's how we are in the UK, we just like to complain but 'it could be worse'.

I have no desire to work abroad. If I lived somewhere hotter I'd have to have air conditioning in every room as I hate the heat in my own house.

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Ok-Fig-7510@reddit

Nothing much really aside from saving enough money to leave- my partner is a Kiwi so we’re going to Aus, he can work freely and a whv is easy enough for me. Hoping to get my NZ passport in the next few months which will make things easier 🤞🏻

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Separate_Victory_622@reddit

Family

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81Bottles@reddit

I think the real question is, what country is better?

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Perspective

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Mikehaze91@reddit

Me and my other half are literally waiting for my daughter to finish her gcse next year and we are gonna assess our options. This country is just depressing at this point

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sjintje@reddit

Most countries have the same issues with prices and housing. Just browse the other reddit subs.

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Cultural-Eggplant592@reddit

It's not that easy to just leave. You need desirable skills to secure a work permit in another country. Not everyone has them. We lost freedom of movement, remember?

Anyway I left in 2024. Best decision I ever made.

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Melian_infp@reddit

How easy is it to have a decent job and buying a house in the UK. Compared to Spain were wages are lower and the cost of living is rife, at least here I was able to buy property, something unthinkable in Spain.

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Adventurous_Rock294@reddit

I am moving abroad.

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Adventurous_Rock294@reddit

I am moving abroad.

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Cutterbuck@reddit

As a couple with a young child we want to leave, we both have careers that are transportable to where we want to go, we both speak the language well enough to manage.

My dream has always been to move to America because i love everything about it, and I truly feel like I was born in the wrong country… But you need a green card which isn’t easy to obtain unless you have family out there or are super wealthy.

Age, probably. I’ve not long passed the upper limit for most working-holiday visas and besides, as I get older, I actually just want a more settled life. I’m at a good point in my career, I’ve got a house I’ve almost paid off, and I’ve got a nice wee family setup.

I think as well because I lived about a third of my life abroad, I’ve just less desire for it as well.

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Abject-Direction-195@reddit

I left in 2005 and go back at least once a year from Sydney. It was easy. Just need the willpower to keep going

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ajstrange1@reddit

Yes

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Both-Friend-4202@reddit

The fact that I'm now 64..and I have a lot of loyalty to Britain. My parents migrated from Jamaica 🇯🇲..in the 1950s. They worked hard in an atmosphere of open racism..but I was the first in the family to go to university..paid for with a government grant. I was then able to give back to society in the careers I have had. It's far from a perfect society..but the fact that thousands of people in small boats are prepared to risk their lives in crossing the English Channel ,must say what we have is a lot better than where they are coming from.

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So I’ll keep spending 3-6 months abroad each year but always I think keep my main base here.

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