Street takeover participants, including spectators, may soon face heavy fines
Posted by StraightStackin@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 338 comments
I bet they miss the days when actual car enthusiasts would just line up in a vacant areas and do some drag races.
TookEverything@reddit
They need to be arrested.
Bonerchill@reddit
Unpopular opinion: they need safe sports fields, skate parks, libraries, and school events, hopefully partially funded from seizures and fines.
Give people something else to do.
austinzone813@reddit
To say the solution is they need places to do 'things' means you are missing the big picture.
There is a line between bored youth and a less intelligent populous thats not capable of being productive members of society. The internet and simplicity of mobile electronics has enabled these degenerates to find and associate with one another.
Many of the cars from takeovers are stolen. Your response doesnt acknowledge that. Many of the people at takeovers have guns. Once again no addressing of that point. Many of these people will try and flee, get into chases, get into a wreck, get arrested, and when they're in the back of the cop car it sounds like they have the IQ of 70. The way they hold their heads. The way they speak. You also are not addressing that.
When the line has been crossed as it has they are flat out telling you they are not capable nor interested in being part of our society. They just want to steal, kill, destroy, annoy, and do it again a few days later.
You should not want or accept these people as fellow citizens. You should realize the problem stems directly from the restriction of law enforcement.
cuteman@reddit
You think the flash mobs doing donuts in stolen cars and other illegal activity would behave better if they had more libraries?
All of those things already exist and it isn't the same people using them.
Bonerchill@reddit
Yes, in 8-13 years we’d reap the rewards of current investment.
cuteman@reddit
The irony is we used to have a lot of those things in greater numbers but they've been taken over by blight and homeless encampments.
DooceBigalo@reddit
is this what people do in the middle of the night?
giantusername@reddit
The people shutting down streets and doing this dumbass stuff would go to a library otherwise? Lol
End_of_Life_Space@reddit
Fuck it, build open use race fields like the salt flats out in Utah.
LowSkyOrbit@reddit
That's how drag strips and race tracks started.
Strips and tracks are all falling out of existence by people who hate the noise because the new community butts right up on a 60 year old track, so the pressure local town boards to push these sports out.
On top of that the cost has skyrocketed for the people still willing to race legally. The pay to play fees are just crazy now.
IknowwhatIhave@reddit
Close to where I live, a bunch of car dealerships bought a large rural site bordering on a rock quarry, a garbage dump, a cement plant and an auto wrecking yard. They built an incredible track facility, and within a few years a bunch of people who subsequently bought acreages next to the rock quarry, garbage dump, cement plant and auto wrecking yard began petitioning to shut ALL those businesses down, ESPECIALLY the race track, because of the noise.
They narrowly lost a court case, but the race track was prevented from expanding thanks to these newcomers. Even today, they stand on the side of the road with video cameras and privately purchased radar guns and 'clock' all the cars coming in and out of the race track and send the video and radar gun reports to the police.
BudgetHelper@reddit
I must see this video.
dagelijksestijl@reddit
I find it ridiculous that people buy land, subsequently complain about the land they bought knowing that all those things are next to it, and then actually get taken seriously.
ducky21@reddit
My local track in Texas is dealing with this right now because local law is written so that "noise" is excessive if heard at YOUR property line.
Well, yeah, no shit you're going to hear a racetrack 100 feet away because you bought a house on the property line...
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Idk if you've seen alot of these takeover videos, but these aren't happening in Utah lol
End_of_Life_Space@reddit
I used the salt flats as an example not where we should be sending people
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
But in these coastal metropolitan centers, what analogs are there to the open salt flats?
End_of_Life_Space@reddit
BUILD OPEN USE RACE FIELDS
AwardImmediate720@reddit
Right? That comment is just a dead giveaway that that person has never actually left their parents' wealthy gated community. They have no idea what people are actually like.
dont_wear_a_C@reddit
They'd be mad if they could read your comment.
breakfastsausage6@reddit
hahahaha right
Bonerchill@reddit
Obviously, it doesn’t really work on people now they’re older but it still works while they’re young. Community plays and concerts are staged at libraries as well.
The best way to have a polite society is to take care of young people.
Automatic-End-8256@reddit
Most of these people arnt under 18....
You think the take over crowd is going to a play?
cannedrex2406@reddit
Clearly you'd benefit from a library just as much as takeover people.
They mean when they're YOUNGER so that they get educated to a level where they realise this shit is stupid
An_emperor_penguin@reddit
Lol Philly has rich white kids coming in from every single suburb doing this shit, it's degenerate culture and a lack of consequences causing it, not anything to do with libraries or "school events"
Bonerchill@reddit
There are outliers to everything.
For example, we elected our first felon president in 248 years (not political, simply an example).
An_emperor_penguin@reddit
so then why would you expect any of the stuff you listed to help? Do everyone a favor and keep your justifications and excuses for assholes terrorizing normal people to yourself
Bonerchill@reddit
I apologize for advocating for better society. I’ll do better next time.
InvasionOfScipio@reddit
The cascade of consequences from the elimination of 3rd places.
spike021@reddit
I’m not sure I agree that’s a root cause. i live in the san jose, ca area. we have tons of great neighborhood libraries, neighborhood parks, larger county parks, movie theaters. all of these places make great 3rd places. yet we still get sideshows. just last month my quiet neighborhood had one and it took over an hour for cops to stop it, and now the plaza they did it at has burnout marks all over it. used to be a real nice, clean plaza.
InvestmentGrift@reddit
so, i'm from san jose, and i see what you're saying, although i think the real issue is the cost of living crisis we face. in SJ, you can barely leave the house without eating $75-$100 in, say, movies tickets, coffee, parking fees, burritos at a taqueria, a couple of drinks....
shit at this point i'm grateful if i can end a day out under $200. i remember growing up there.... it wasn't so bad. $75 would get you hella stuff to do and extras.
these days though, wages have barely gone up at all, and yet all the shit you can do to have fun out on the town has doubled or tripled
BavarianBanshee@reddit
Also, (and I can't say how many people it applies to) it's entirely possible that the people mentioned were from nearby areas, and just chose that as the spot.
I know that when I used to do dumb stuff all the time (nothing this bad), I would always go a little ways away from my regular area, to not shit where I eat.
MaybeNext-Monday@reddit
There’s also a lag on it making a difference, kids who didn’t grow up with it don’t know the benefits. Outreach is critical for that same reason.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Nah that ain't an excuse. We have millions of perfectly fine adults in the US that similarly suffer from the lack of 3rd places, and we aren't trying to do this shit
AwardImmediate720@reddit
More like the cascade of consequences from the legitimization of frivolous liability lawsuits. When venue owners are on the hook for anything bad that happens on their property they're not going to keep allowing risky activity.
Want to fix America? Make the default answer to filing a lawsuit "no, and plaintiff must pay all fees for both parties and compensate defendant for lost income" and watch America get instantly better. I'd also say make disbarment for representing cases also the norm. Cut down the number of lawyers and we'll also cut down the number of lawsuits.
QueTontosQueLocos@reddit
Is this why like the Nürburgring and Japan have $40 track days. Meanwhile if I want to drive on track I need to pay $400 and drive 8 hours away.
dagelijksestijl@reddit
Tort reform is the answer to many problems.
Also, aren't lawyers obligated to represent any paying client provided that their demands are legal and have just a sliver of merit, even if the client is obviously stupid?
gimpwiz@reddit
I agree that the combination of torts and insurance have ruined third places, especially anywhere with any sort of danger.
Everything from drag strips to the old guys collecting at someone's garage to work on cars or make furniture, all of that is either gone or really expensive due to insurance or a huge liability.
Tort reform needs to start on the basis that adults have personal responsibility for their own actions, and that their mistake is not someone else's problem absent criminal negligence; and that owning or managing property does not make you a party to someone else's negligence or criminal action unless you were provably informed of and had good opportunity to deal with it.
If you go to your buddy's house and trip on the lawn, unless it was a literal bear trap you tripped over and broke your ankle, it's not your buddy's fault. Your lawsuit against him should be thrown out without him even needing to pay money to a lawyer to file for dismissal. More likely scenario is that your health insurance sues him - same thing. Oh his lawn wasn't perfectly flat? Doesn't matter. Gopher dug it up? Watch your step. Someone told him his lawn had holes in it? Still not criminal negligence. Stop it.
If you go to a drag strip and someone's mustang hits your car, it's not the drag strip owner or operator's fault in almost any case. You're there, you know what race tracks are about, you know that sometimes cars don't maintain a straight line on a hard launch, you are an adult and you made a specific decision to bring your expensive property there. And if some idiot wants to throw hands because they lost, it's still not the owner's fault unless he's provably either encouraging it, or had plenty of opportunity to eject the person along with knowledge of them being a problem and refused. The practice of naming every possible person and entity even remotely involved needs to stop, it's costing all of us crazy amounts of money and only the lawyers are happy for it.
rome_vang@reddit
I disagree, the closure of places relating to motor sport are a contributing factor. Or in some cases they just don’t exist or aren’t close enough.
There’s another aspect of it, the thrill of doing some illegal, in front of spectators and just the whole chaos vibe of the whole thing. You can’t easily replicate that in a control environment.
golden_glorious_ass@reddit
I disagree with this and my reasoning is because it's more of the western car culture. If you ever end up going to a car meet in japan it's the complete opposite of what's happening in usa. Oem/tuend, jdm/usdm/eudm/kdm brands, reps/original wheels, badges, built/bought , they all love it, they all respect it. They don't do street takeovers and halt traffic for everyone. Sure they will do burnouts and drifting but they also do it in parking lots in the middle of the night and only for a few minutes. If a passenger car ends up where they're driving, they will let them pass first before doing whatever it is that they're dojng.
Bonerchill@reddit
It’s more of a Western culture thing to allow children to completely fall through the cracks.
Mussolini99@reddit
You really think if we give extra funding to libraries these people will go there instead? Delusional.
Bonerchill@reddit
I think if we provide kids a place to go to learn that isn’t school, and that is safe and easy to get to, we can change society for the better.
A 19-year-old who steals cars to use in takeovers isn’t going to read Thoreau, I agree. So let’s get ‘em early.
fatitalianstallion@reddit
The parents who raised those children aren't taking them to libraries. They're usually absent, criminals, drug users, abusers, and neglect the children.
Bonerchill@reddit
So, uh, fuck their parents? No child should need permission to learn. Schools need to provide for the children.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
We could also realize that everyone involved are grown adults and regardless of their access to activities, they’re still fully liable for acting like animals
Bonerchill@reddit
Grown adults in size and age.
Not grown in terms of critical thinking and brain maturity.
May be developmentally stunted due to childhood hunger or growing up in a polluted area.
Don’t want to see this? Invest in people.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
C'mon man, they aren't stealing bread to feed their families here. They're not "born out of their circumstances" doing donuts in a $60k Scat Pack
The crimes being committed are born purely out of hedonism and a disregard for the law. They don't care about who they hurt, as evidence of the dozens of videos of them knocking down people like bowling pins
fatitalianstallion@reddit
No, do it with all of them, every single one. This would help fix insurance rates for non-degenerates.
Daegoba@reddit
I’ll do ya one better:
Give them access to abandoned parking lots to do this in. Most of us would rather be somewhere remote when hooning anyway.
DruidB@reddit
The moment you give them access you assume liability for anything that goes wrong.
Daegoba@reddit
By give them access, I mean just turn a blind eye.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Then how do you advertise said access, without telling them? What's to stop them from trying the same in other parking lots if you don't explicitly lay out the rules?
Daegoba@reddit
Enforcement. Things like this happen all the time.
nate800@reddit
Yup. Someone owns that abandoned parking lot, they absolutely do not want the liability of some chud showing up in a stolen Hellcat.
mettaxa@reddit
This is a big societal problem. Being a teen in the US kind of sucks. Before you turn 21 there is pretty much nowhere to go except maybe house parties or hanging out in the woods. Meanwhile kids in Europe are able to go out to bars/clubs/cafes to socialize as young as 16.
Bonerchill@reddit
There were plenty of places for me to go- friends’ houses, the beach, the mountains.
But I had money and transportation.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Tbf if you're participating in a takeover, chances are you got there in something with wheels
mettaxa@reddit
Same - but kids here often put themselves in sketchy situations when they want to drink or party.
ASZD_@reddit
Never thought i would see the "send in the social worker" on r/cars wtf is this comment
Bonerchill@reddit
I like cars and am a leftie. There are dozens of us.
SiteRelEnby@reddit
There's a fairly big community, it's just not as well known. Wish there were more subreddits for it though.
mini4x@reddit
And race tracks, I used to go to the local drag strip several times a night on Wed and Fri night they had street night, it was like $15 to get in and 'run what ya brung..', I even ran my Deisel rabbit a few times.
And they still do it!
Bonerchill@reddit
My local eighth-mile drags were shut down a decade or so ago.
kyonkun_denwa@reddit
How is “we should have third spaces” at all an unpopular opinion?
triggered__Lefty@reddit
The street car takeover people want to create a disturbance.
That's why they do it, not because they're car enthusiasts looking for a place to race.
AwardImmediate720@reddit
It's not the concept of third spaces, it's that they think the type of spaces they listed out would actually change the behavior of the street takeover crowd. It shows an insane amount of naivete and ignorance. That's why they're getting lambasted.
Vorcia@reddit
Another unpopular aspect is thinking that third spaces would prevent this, I'm from an area with all these things and these people still show up. I think it's naive to think that these people were just the product of a bad environment.
Vhozite@reddit
I think the unpopular part is NIMBY’s not wanting any of that stuff in their area.
Bonerchill@reddit
Because I’m in the United States?
dumahim@reddit
Those don't seem like very good venues to screw around with cars...
Bonerchill@reddit
Gotta use EVs in the library or you’ll be shushed like crazy.
EloeOmoe@reddit
Gonna go out on a limb here and assume that LA has these.
Bonerchill@reddit
At what concentration?
AwardImmediate720@reddit
Probably higher than a lot of the areas that don't have street takeover problems.
Bonerchill@reddit
So we’re just like, “hey, there’s a problem. Let’s not discuss other ways to address it than incarceration?”
AwardImmediate720@reddit
The point is that these alternatives have been tried and they fail.
ducky21@reddit
Yeah dude, we should all take the approach of the wildly successful War on Drugs and follow that playbook because it's been so terrifically successful.
Jailing people and fining people clearly doesn't work, and I don't know why people like you seem to have the opinion that it does and its on everyone else to prove it doesn't. Recidivism is HUGE from your approach and I can't imagine why anyone takes it seriously.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Well the problem is that they aren’t being incarcerated
The places where these takeovers happen (LA, Philly, Atlanta, Cleveland, St. Louis etc) are incredibly light on crime, or won’t attempt to pursue. It encourages this behavior because there’s no consequences
Make an example out of a few of them; throw the book at them, impound their vehicles
PurchaseStreet9991@reddit
reads nervously
zoglog@reddit
it's easy to say that is necessary but then the liability cost is astronomical to run a "hoon facility"
Plus some of these people are just idiots who like to do it because it's taboo. That's why they do it in these open streets as opposed to some random ass parking lot anyway
nightim3@reddit
I don’t think you understand. Legal places to do this don’t satisfy their need to do this in a place they’re not allowed to for the thrill and clout.
Bonerchill@reddit
Ah, but.
Books teach. Librarians teach. Kind-hearted peers teach.
Clout is less important if what you do feeds your self.
Green_Day4802@reddit
Libraries. 😂
Automatic-End-8256@reddit
I have parks in my area and when I stop to take a break on my motorcycle Karens call the cops...
Maybe it's just my area but don't most areas have this?
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Automatic-End-8256@reddit
How was my comment any of that?
Muttonboat@reddit
They've done this idea with street racing, but people didn't take to it because it was legal.
the partial thrill is in breaking the law
daredaki-sama@reddit
Going after spectators is bullshit.
TookEverything@reddit
You mean the same spectators that destroy other people’s property and jump/shoot people?
Fuck you.
daredaki-sama@reddit
Yes. Every spectator does this /s
TookEverything@reddit
Actually, yes.
daredaki-sama@reddit
Because I’m sure every spectator is standing on the streets blocking you. Take your righteous anger out of here man. I don’t even go to takeovers I just think it’s BS to go after spectators. I’m 100% sure I can lawyer out of it if I were a spectator in any case. Not sure what they’d be citing spectators for and what proof they’d have.
TookEverything@reddit
Weird jump, but sure.
Protestors already get more police presence than these clowns anyway.
daredaki-sama@reddit
You thought of being blocked by street takeover. I thought of being blocked by a protest. If it’s un sanctioned I think police should uphold the law in any case.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
These people are bored.
TookEverything@reddit
That’s no excuse to be utter shitstains.
OkFee714@reddit
Ts pmo
Fluffy-Landscape-953@reddit
Wasted potential man💔
EmergencyRace7158@reddit
Seize their cars under asset forfeiture laws and auction them off. These dbags give true enthusiasts a bad name.
PrettyBigChief@reddit
Those aren't their cars.
breadbedman@reddit
Impound the cars and crush them.
sactownbwoy@reddit
That doesn't help because a lot of those cars are stolen or junk cars anyways. Throw the people in jail. That might deter people.
Powerful_Abalone1630@reddit
It works for everything else we throw people in jail for. I see no reason it won't also be successful with this.
PrettyBigChief@reddit
Jail? Meh. They'll plead "I'm young and dumb and social media caused a temporary lack of judgement. Jail? I'll fucking OWN jail and after I'm out in 6 months I'll have that much more street cred"
Instead, hit them with: "The IRS will garnish your wages for the rest of your life until you've paid back every cent the damage you wrought caused. Doing the math, that comes to 50 years if you earn an average of $25,000 a year, compounded with interest..."
Terrh@reddit
this does nothing except destroy cars for no reason.
Maybe if you impound them and resell?
RogerZRZ@reddit
who’s going to buy a car that has been beaten to its last breath and smells of 420
vagabond139@reddit
If the price is right it can be either rebuilt or sold for parts
2005CrownVicP71@reddit
You’d be surprised. Seized cars go for pretty good prices at auction. Most of the probably end up being used for parts.
Vhozite@reddit
Chill this will send Dodge Charger prices into orbit
thefanciestcat@reddit
Win-win
Vhozite@reddit
If we are going to gone down that route it’d be nice if literally anyone else would make an affordable NA V8 sedan.
The only semi-modern options are the Charger, the SS (made for 3 model years in limited numbers), and the Caprice (even more limited and best to shit from PD duty.
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
That's the issue with takeover culture, they steal cars to thrash then sometimes even light them on fire at the end.
FineBug3487@reddit
WhaA NO WAY
EscapeFacebook@reddit
Good, go race like normal people.
nico_juro@reddit
Sure, let me just install a roll cage, get a license, pay a yearly membership, take 3 safety courses, get a flat bed, and travel 5 hours
or I could just get sideways whenever I want lmao gg
heebiejeebie9000@reddit
"i dont want to follow laws, following laws is for losers"
"free the guys they did nothing wrong"
nico_juro@reddit
cry is free
DameOClock@reddit
Yes? Driving fast is a privilege not a right. If you wanna drive fast that what autox, track days, and drag strips are for. Not public roads.
nico_juro@reddit
depraved existence, enjoy your commute lmao
DameOClock@reddit
Yeah not endangering strangers and having fun at autox instead is such an awful way to live.
EscapeFacebook@reddit
My godson that flew over your head like a jumbo jet.
nico_juro@reddit
i dont see it, i'm looking
animerobin@reddit
straight to jail
Terrh@reddit
They did kinda take away most of the spots to go do that.
And cracked down on anyone doing that in the middle of nowhere at midnight on saturday night for some reason.
Hemingray1893@reddit
I agree, but let’s face it: these people are too cowardly to actually participate in sanctioned racing.
EscapeFacebook@reddit
What kind of justification are you trying to make? Do you want a pointless comment award?
Tomcat115@reddit
Most of these dimwits aren't into that. They're just doing it for the attention. Lots of these cars are stolen as well.
OtterCreek_Andrew@reddit
Why are there always so many chargers?
heebiejeebie9000@reddit
everybody knows why, nobody wants to be the first to say it
german-car-guy@reddit
Cant call these guy car enthusiasts. They do all that stupid shit, endangering others.
Sudden-Series-2862@reddit
What license? Lol
shawn0fthedead@reddit
If they don't have registration or insurance, how is taking their license away going to stop them?
AwardImmediate720@reddit
That's the ugly little question at the heart of a lot of issues today: what punishment is there for people who just don't care about living outside the law? The answer is imprisonment but then people whine about prison rates. Well those are the only two answers: lock 'em up or do what amounts to nothing.
fatitalianstallion@reddit
Considering that the police don't arrest car thieves at any decent rate and prosecutors don't put car thieves in jail, there doesn't seem to be there is anything that can be done except permit use of deadly force for property theft like some other states.
Insurance companies have been transparent about increasing rates due to theft. Theft shouldn't be an issue is law enforcement officers and prosecutors did their job.
Owe-No@reddit
Deadly force should indeed be legally justified for property theft. That is by far the most efficient way to keep people from stealing, and I should be able to legally protect my hard-earned stuff.
leorolim@reddit
Deport them to the Netherlands. Let them ride bikes.
rsta223@reddit
I care about people who go to prison for stupid shit like drug possession or the dumb three strikes stuff.
For this? By all means, give them a reasonable jail sentence (doesn't even need to be that long, maybe a couple months?) just so they have some form of real consequences.
rustoof@reddit
How dare you be reasonable?
Daninomicon@reddit
There are other options.
Mk2Guru@reddit
Care to elaborate?
Daninomicon@reddit
I don't think I'm allowed to. And I'm really trying to promote them. And ok definitely not trying to support them.
Witherino@reddit
They're "whining" about the types of policing that result in the world's highest incarceration rates. You're wrongly conflating different issues
german-car-guy@reddit
if they have one then ticket, suspension etc. if they dont jail and revoked license for several years
shellmiro@reddit
Impounding the car is the only viable solution and the only way they'll learn.
Top-Dimensi0n@reddit
I don't think that'd do it either. The majority of these cars are stolen to begin with. They'll steal another one just like they've been doing, rinse and repeat. That fine increase to $1k is a joke. C'mon... Raise that shit to $10k. If they don't pay up, lock em up.
fatitalianstallion@reddit
Fines don't matter for people that a judgment proof. You don't steal a car to hoon if you care about fines.
ryguy32789@reddit
I don't understand why we stopped sending car thieves to prison
BananaPalmer@reddit
Because we filled prisons with nonviolent drug offenders, and now there's no space left
Top-Dimensi0n@reddit
I don't think anyone is judgment proof it's only a matter of time before they get caught one by one. They don't care about it because as it is they know the chances of getting caught are low and the risk is worth it. But by adding a hefty fine and or jail time, having that on your record at a young age will definitely deter others to not steal. I mean what are the alternatives?
fatitalianstallion@reddit
Anyone without steady income or assets is judgment proof. Can’t collect money from someone without any.
People that steal cars and hoon them don’t care about fines or jail time. Actually placing car thieves in jail will solve this.
argent_pixel@reddit
I don't really need them to learn, I just want them removed from civilized society since they clearly aren't interesting in being part of it.
elan_alan@reddit
Revoke license….lol. They don’t care. This won’t stop them. It’s just impound the stolen cars or jail time.
Comprehensive_Use343@reddit
Why impound stolen cars. That only hurts the actual owner
crunchynibbas@reddit
Taking away their license would just be like poking an angry bear. It just fuels their antisocial desire. They do this shit to "rebel" and piss off people
DrKhanMD@reddit
To start a paper trail to make any future incidents hurt more tbh. Judge sees previous suspensions on record, and they're far more likely to actual throw jail time at them.
fatitalianstallion@reddit
Leos and DAs don't arrest and prosecute car thieves, that's the demographic taking part in takeovers.
Turbulent_Leek4298@reddit
That requires judges and DAs with a spine, which are in short supply nowadays.
Working-Physics1650@reddit
Most cars are stolen ? Why the fuck would they have license or insurance?? The whole point of street take overs is to come with stolen cars ..
youknow99@reddit
A lot of them are also stolen cars.
strongmanass@reddit
They like cars, have more knowledge of them than the average motorist who sees a car as a transportation tool, spend more of their free time on cars, and get their thrills from car-related activities. Like it or not, they're car enthusiasts. They're the worst kind, but they're the public face of car enthusiasm and a lot of people picture that behavior when they hear "car guy".
We should all want them punished for endangering others and flagrant disregard for road laws, but also because police are more likely to be harsh with car enthusiasm of any kind as long as takeover garbage goes on.
hbs18@reddit
Yeah, they like them so much they intentionally destroy them for attention.
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
From the videos I see most dont even show up in sports cars, just stock economy cars. They light fireworks, tag up surrounding areas. 20 years ago when street racing was thriving, you'd see hundreds of modified tuner cars all go from spot to spot and just do drag races then scatter when the cops show up, none of this riot chaos.
Legend13CNS@reddit
My biggest issue with the stupidity of takeovers is that the general public and to some extent law enforcement don't see a difference between a takeover and what you describe. Not that either one is legal, but in the past the cops just wanted people to leave the area and stop racing, not arrest everyone there.
I want takeovers to be cracked down on, but I don't trust state governments for one second to not misuse those laws against real enthusiasts. I don't get the impression that states proposing laws are willing to make a differentiation between takeovers and general goofing around. If 10 dudes are having a drift session behind an abandoned warehouse is that a takeover? If I do two donuts in an empty mountain parking area and a passerby calls the cops is that a takeover?
I feel a bit silly arguing on which version of something illegal is better, but hopefully it makes sense.
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
Thats what I mean, the takeover kids are going to get laws passed that make a couple guys just drifting in the industrial parks in the City of Industry get crazy takeover charges.
enp2s0@reddit
Gotta crank up the charges for vehicle theft tbh. That's what differentiates the two groups. Car guys meeting up to drift around an abandoned industrial park own the cars. Takeover morons don't.
Cop rolls up and sees a couple people doing donuts? Check license and registration give them a ticket/warning/tell them to leave. Cop rolls up and sees the same thing but the car is stolen? Jail.
Stopping the theft would entirely end takeovers. No legit car person would do that with thier own vehicle, since it usually ends up with the cars getting crashed and set on fire/blown up with fireworks. It only happens because the cars are stolen and the drivers don't give a fuck.
I'm usually a big proponent of alternative sentencing and reducing prison populations, but stealing a car, driving recklessly around a crowd of pedestrians, destroying the car, and then setting it on fire should obviously be a jail sentence. It's so easy to just, you know, not do that. You can't argue about addiction issues like you can with drug charges, or about poverty like you can when someone shoplifts from a grocery store. Hit these morons with theft, reckless endangerment, vandalism, reckless driving, driving without license/insurance, arson, unlawful use of an explosive device, etc. There's absolutely no way you should be able to steal a car, almost run a bunch of people over, destroy the car, and probably fuck around with guns/explosives/alcohol at the same time and not see the inside of a prison.
shloppin@reddit
The drags still happen. They just don’t get the spotlight anymore.
Automatic-End-8256@reddit
1320 does a good job but thats probably just appleaing do middle aged dudes like me
fatitalianstallion@reddit
too expensive to flex trying to his 2s 60-130 pulls and those cars tend to be garaged and not so easy to steal/drive.
FukushimaBlinkie@reddit
Nah just not everyone can get to Mexico easily...
spongebob_meth@reddit
It's two different groups.
You aren't going to have much success drag racing a v6 charger.
starchybunker@reddit
The scene is going strong and huge in Texas https://youtu.be/-vjbY4VHRC8?si=VHkptPEE8XCuzHBn
https://youtu.be/gZlSEevi1w4?si=19AxP4VLVE8gMhFc
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
That's a different scene. Trust me, the crowd that would go to Hot Import Nights car shows, etc it was a special time.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Is it really that different? The second video at 12:00 has them rolling across all lanes and then slamming on their brakes as they hit the flow of traffic
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
I am saying the scene from back in the day is different from the scene he is referencing in the videos. The scene back in the day we would go to business parks that had no one around in the middle of the night and just do some drag races then go home. There was rarely ever violence or vandalism.
Mental_Medium3988@reddit
There's was a group that would take over a parking lot near my job like 5+ years ago. It was a mixture of all sorts of cars. Most of the ones doing the dumb stuff were rwd though.
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
Yea, the people doing the actual donuts are usually sporty, but the people attending are in Camrys and Sentras.
Top-Dimensi0n@reddit
I've seen the opposite. Economy cars can't even do a donut. A lot of these are stolen rwd sports cars from G35s, Mustangs, Chargers, challengers , BMWs, Vettes/Camaros etc.
Bumbleboy92@reddit
Can almost guarantee any ‘nicer’ sports car at these are either stolen or ‘rented’
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
Yea, I'm talking about the spectators. The massive crows of people aren't even car enthusiasts.
animerobin@reddit
Ok but that was also dangerous and stupid
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
It wasn't that dangerous, very few accidents ever happened, the cars were too slow. There were a few incidents but that was far and few between.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
lol this did not happen.
You been eating the 'Memba When berries?
Bobabuttt@reddit
This totally did happen. You'd meet up at whatever spot, cruise the first spot, race, cops show up and then you'd go to the next spot.
Then you go home and upload a video of your slow ass Integra onto street fire.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
Hundreds, though? HUNDREDS.
hoptimus-prime@reddit
We used to go into Philly in 2004-2005 for racing. Maybe not hundreds, but easily 50+ cars. Folks raced for 30-60mins, a cop would show up and then everyone cruised to the next spot. Rinse and repeat until the cops started posting a car at the old spots and we'd call it a night.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
It’s the claim of “hundreds” that I’m disputing.
People want it to have happened…but it did not.
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
Yea, hundreds, sometimes nearly a thousand cars every weekend in the middle of the night. Southern California street racing was something special back in the early 2000s
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
Yes. It would be literally gridlock when leaving, all tuner cars. We are what inspired the Fast & Furious original movies. SoCal Street racing back in the Hot Imprt Nights days was something special.
Terrh@reddit
Depending on the city, yeah, hundreds.
DetroitLionsEh@reddit
It definitely happened.
I saw it in a documentary Vin Diesel made
Vhozite@reddit
I did happen. They even had undercovers showing up in modified cars to break these rings up.
They filmed several documentaries about it back in the day.
jokr128@reddit
It wasn't always drag racing but this did happen. Still does if you have the right cars and know the right people.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
Don't rephrase it.
I'm talking about what the person typed in the post above.
Individual-Pea3610@reddit
I wouldn't bring a nice car anywhere near this bullshit
RuinedGrave@reddit
They would, because it’s not even their car and they stole it.
Automatic-End-8256@reddit
Shit you had to have an "acceptible car" to even find out where the spots were. Then if you acted like a jackass the community would kick you out...
LowSkyOrbit@reddit
We had a group that would start at a local Dunkin Donuts, get told to leave because they were loitering (even though they sold a lot of coffee and donuts), then meet in the parking lot of a grocery store, get told to leave from there, then drive to the other end of town to another grocery store before ending the night.
Very few drags, but when it happened everyone knew it was time to leave for the next lot.
Terrh@reddit
They kick everyone out of the local hangout spot because "nobody bought anything" and "we left litter everywhere" despite the litter being products from those businesses.
Then they all went out of business because surprise, kicking out all of your regular customers results in them going somewhere else.
40WAPSun@reddit
Street racers are all, by definition, acting like jackasses. There is no golden age of street takeovers or whatever, yall are just old men yelling at clouds
altacan@reddit
Aren't most of those cars stolen?
LastGoodKnee@reddit
A lot of it is stolen cars
Shins@reddit
Yeah 1000 is a joke. In many countries this is arrestable
fatitalianstallion@reddit
None of this would happen if police actually enforced laws. Legitimately owned cars tend not to be used. No one takes his own hellcat/scat and participates in takeovers. These cars are all stolen or owned by banks (lien).
This problem is solved by arresting and prosecuting car thieves, but police have no interest in doing so as it's actual work for them versus writing tickets or bothering generally law abiding citizens with violations.
A car should be able to be left unlocked, even in a random parking lot like a mall, without fear of being stolen. Now even with IGLA and Compustar on my cars I know there are reasonable odds some criminal is going to try to take what's not his every time I go to a chain restaurant with the fam.
elan_alan@reddit
I once forgot my wallet on a 10 hour road-trip and I was the only “driver”, my wife couldn’t drive at the time. Did that stop me? Nope. Will taking away these people’s licenses stop them? Nope.
Toads_Mania@reddit
There’s a difference between not physically having your license in your pocket and not having a valid driving license at all.
elan_alan@reddit
Well obviously not the same thing. Both technically illegal in my state at least. One it just more illegal but still wouldn’t stop someone already breaking the law. Kinda like conceal weapon license. I’m sure there are a lot of gun owners who don’t have a license and still carry conceal. Aint gonna stop bad people from doing bad things. Just jail time and heavy fines.
FrigOffRicky16@reddit
And they are ruining proper meets and cruises for the actual enthusiasts
rap4food@reddit
How are they ruining, Proper meets and cruises for actual enthusiasts? None of this is new and has been going on for years from los angeles to the bay. It's not slowing down enthusiast meetups.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
You mean, like these guys?
https://i.imgur.com/NQlfec4.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/lIEoKKr.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/pYlpnTs.jpeg
😂
beermit@reddit
They're different, they're family
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
Damn.
You're right.
DJMagicHandz@reddit
Some kid in the bay ran hit a few cars, and a fire hydrant said fire hydrant ended up hitting a teacher killing him.
Marokiii@reddit
Take their cars and crush them, infront of their owners preferably.
crunchynibbas@reddit
A lot of them are stolen so it would just punish the original owners unfortunately
xXEliteEater500Xx@reddit
They’re idiots and car enthusiasts
EscapeFacebook@reddit
Exactly it's always stolen cars getting wrecked and burned or people with no sense just showing off not people who are investing time and money into their cars.
Toads_Mania@reddit
Agree. A bank robber isn’t a car enthusiast because they use a get away car. This is about doing dumb/destructive stuff that also happens to involve cars. It is not car centric, it’s not about working on cars or skill driving cars - throw the book at these jokers.
Sierra_463@reddit
Eh, plenty more dangerous things you can do in a car than takeovers. Only reason people pretend to care about them is because it's what attracts all the police attention at the moment and that reflects badly on everyone else.
Go back 20 years and you'll find people complaining those "actual car enthusiasts" doing drag races. It's just a cycle.
Terryknowsbest@reddit
Hard disagree here. The reason people care is because there are thousands of videos on social media of people getting run over, and pure chaos.
Go back 20 years, and you'll find people complaining about racing in a straight line, and blocking off a back road straight stretch. Fast forward to today and the complaints are people getting run over, fireworks, fires, drugs & alcohol, primary intersections shut down, crowds of hundreds within inches of the cars doing uncontrolled donuts, etc.
Neither are good, but they are not equally bad.
Sierra_463@reddit
Plenty of stupid shit was going on at races too and that's not including the guys killing themselves at god knows what speed.
I think it's a crowd control problem at it core. You get too many people in a single place and stupid behavior is inevitable. Once people lose interest and move on to something else I don't think they'll be as many problems.
Cake-Over@reddit
The LA Times wants me to subscribe first.
How do they define a spectator. Is it the people standing around, watching with their phones out a hootin' and a hollerin'?
Or does it also include the people watching from their cars?
I ask this because three times I've been forced to stop because of a sideshow. Twice I was in the very front (behind the people standing). Would I have been accused of spectating? I was just driving home from whatever banality I was doing.
VarusAlmighty@reddit
If they can't pay, go after their benefits.
amazinghl@reddit
From $500 to $1000.
Make the fine hurt, make it 100,000.
yetiflask@reddit
How dare people actually have fun?
Only time I have an issue is when they block a busy highway or bridge. Otherwise, nobody's fucking business. Just fucking take an alternate route and let them have their fun.
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
They vandalize nearby businesses and almost always use stolen cars that they destroy and light on fire.
yetiflask@reddit
Well, by that logic, ban all sports because some fans get rowdy.
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
That's after the event and thats only some sports. Takeovers it happens as part of the event.
yetiflask@reddit
Every single takeover results in vandalism? I doubt so. Even if it does, then it is what it is.
Holy fuck, society needs to lighten up and let people have fun. Not that I condone vandalism, but what the fuck else is the option?
As long as it's not a major roadway being blocked, it's fine. Or just have some cops to stop vandalism, I dunno.
But stopping people having fun, fuck that.
I have been to one in Toronto, it's one of the most fun you can possibly have. If you like cars and a bit of hooliganism, just watching it is insane. And afaik, the stuff in Cali is like 10x next fucking level. They are closed groups, so sadly I cannot visit one since you need to be on the "inside".
Fuck fun police. Fuck them.
Terryknowsbest@reddit
Not vandalizing is the option. Doing it on private property is an option. Not driving over people is a great option. Not drinking and driving is an option. Not blocking traffic is an option.
Holy hell, must be 19-22 years old, with the though process of a 12 year old.
yetiflask@reddit
Private property is not fun. So not sure wtf you saying there. Blocking the area is part of the fun.
Not vandalizing is an option, but shit happens. Call the fucking fun police at every shit. Again, I hope it ddin't happen, but it just happens. Again, don't condone it, but you can't shut down the whole fucking world because something didn't go perfectly.
DRiving over people is not a problem. They are not forced to go there. I don't want the fucking police to tell me where I can stand or not. It's their right to put themselves in danger. I personally keep my distance since I love my limbs, but those who don't, their fucking choice.
Doing fucking donuts while drunk is not your fucking problem. If they do it outside the takeover area, feel free to arrest them. I never said otherwise, so don't make shit up.
No fucking traffic is being blocked. Get fucking real. And I already said, if they block a major throughfare, that's an issue. Otherwise, fucking use google maps or waze.
And shoe your ageism up your fucking ass.
Terryknowsbest@reddit
AKA doing something illegal is the fun part...say no more.
LOL what? I take it back, even 12 year old's know that's not a good thing.
Isn't the takeover on public property? You just said private property is no fun? Therefore they can and should be arrested.
Use google maps or waze because traffic is blocked?
LOL all the ism's that so easily offend. Grow up, think bigger, dream bigger.
PJKenobi@reddit
These idiots are why every decently powered RWD car is expensive af to insure in my area. They keep stealing them to do this shit. My little brother bought a Lexus RC that was stolen a month after he got it. When the police found it, it was beat to absolute shit. Every light on the dash was on from being red-lined non stop and the quarters on both sides were damaged from hitting shit as they were ripping donuts with it. The orignal wheels were gone and it reeked of weed. I hate all of these people and this stupid "culture"
nico_juro@reddit
stop being racist
Hemingray1893@reddit
“Whenever I think of someone who steals cars, I think of black people”-u/nico_juro
nico_juro@reddit
dude put culture in parenthesis, he knows what he means by that
Terryknowsbest@reddit
You wrap up an entire race's culture into street takeovers? This is peak 2025.
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
He's talking about takeover culture
PJKenobi@reddit
What's funny is that I am actually black. :-D
Salmon_pervert@reddit
Yep police state doing police state things. "Oh no some people were injured in 2022" So maybe ban alcohol now too? It killed way more people
Terryknowsbest@reddit
Alcohol should be banned, agreed.
Higher_Math@reddit
Send them on a one way trip to El Salvador. I bet all of this bullshit stops quickly.
stav_and_nick@reddit
Every single video I see from one of these involves people getting hurt in someway; a car hitting an onlooker, driver hitting each other or a curb and getting the cars totalled/injured, shootings, fist fights, whatever
DifficultCarob408@reddit
Same here, to the point I genuinely don’t understand it - is the point of a ‘takeover’ to clean people up while drifting? People get run over in every video I’ve seen and yet the bystanders love it.
Natural selection at its best I suppose.
mishap1@reddit
Some chode doing sad donuts with his clapped out Charger with 345 badges and Hellcat decals on the side gets pretty boring after the first one of 8 billion iterations of it.
People go for the drama and the thrill of being outlaws. Just like all the street racing dipshits. Almost none of these people would go to a track even if it was affordable and nearby. They buy/build these cars to be look at me obnoxious, not to be fast. If I can't machine gun backfire my car at 180dB in the middle of the night in a residential neighborhood, what even is the point of it all?
ducky21@reddit
A friend is parting out a 1st gen W2W prepped 86. Someone messaged him about the weld-in cage asking if it could be bolt mounted. We sent over some ideas for welding on end plates, but ultimately told them it definitely wouldn't be structurally sound.
"oh, that's okay, I just like the look and just don't want it rattling around the car."
It really makes you appreciate how many people with cool cars are not the same as someone who is even aware Grassroots Motorsports exists.
XMAN2YMAN@reddit
Because the cars are stolen and they don’t care. Not all of them but a decent percentage.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
No. It's because boring videos don't go viral.
jib661@reddit
you know that scene in old movies where the reporter would get hounded by their editor that they need that BIG STORY published RIGHT NOW
ok well imagine if we gave enough children brain rot so that they lived with that person in their head all day telling them they needed to maximize engagement on their content.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
Imagine a world where every news story feels like it’s local because of the internet. So people get an impression that something is happening more often than it really is.
hertzsae@reddit
Videos without drama aren't as popular, so there's a pretty big selection causing you to only see the worst. I'm not condoning their actions, but it's not surprising that most of us only see the worst and therefore most viral videos.
MattDamonsDick@reddit
This isn’t even car culture. This is anarchism with cars. The combined IQ of these events is double digits
LandsPlayer2112@reddit
This has nothing to do with anarchism; anarchism is the absence of rulers, not the absence of rules.
This is just chaotic assholery.
travoltaswinkinbhole@reddit
So mob rule? If not it’s incredibly naive to think that sort of ideology would be successful.
Niyeaux@reddit
brother do you really think anyone wants to have the college freshmen-level political debate you're trying to incite in the comment section of a reddit post about cars
hertzsae@reddit
Lol, how is this not a subset of car culture? Are we going to pretend that fast and furious isn't a car culture franchise because of all the anarchism?
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I'm not sure if anyone explained it to you, but those are movies, not documentaries
hertzsae@reddit
Someone else made a very similar comment 38 minutes before you which I responded to.
timberwolvesguy@reddit
You know that’s a movie, right? If people are saying they want to live a F&F lifestyle, they’re brain dead
hertzsae@reddit
You do realize that the original movie represented a subset of car culture at the time and likewise had a large influence on car culture afterwards.
You're not wrong on your second sentence, but being braindead doesn't disqualify one from being a part of car culture no matter how much the law avoiding car culture subsets would like.
gothicserp3nt@reddit
fast and furious is closer to car culture because of all the tuner cars involved and the attempted but made up car speak. do you consider the italian job a movie about car culture?
hertzsae@reddit
Fast and Furious is a part of car culture, not closer to it. So the gatekeeping for car culture is if they tune their cars and use "car speak"? These idiots center their hobby around cars. That makes them a part of car culture.
And Italian Job may not have been a car culture movie (clearly a bank robbing movie), but it certainly involved a lot of car culture and was made to appeal to car enthusiasts.
Are you going to argue that the founders of Nascar weren't car enthusiasts until they stopped boot legging because their primary purpose was distribution of contraband. I'm sure plenty of "real car enthusiasts" at the time tried using that same argument.
gothicserp3nt@reddit
You're the one who brought up fast and furious, so I'm just commenting on why that's part of car culture. Strawman it all you want, but take away the stunts and law breaking and you still have some substance that popularized cars nobody knew or cared about. Contrast this with the later movies that almost exclusively revolve around heists or saving the day, and cars just happen to be the tool
I also dont know if you're talking about car culture or car enthusiasts because you use the words interchangeably. You could make the argument that the street takeover crowd is part of car culture in the broader scope of everything involving cars, just like bootleggers, but that's semantics and not that deep of a question. If you want to talk about car enthusiasts, at the end of the day you just have to ask if they have some genuine interest in cars. Surely you could find some overlap in the street takeover crowd but some people also just like the chaos and public disruption. It's not that deep of a question
Spicywolff@reddit
Fast and the furious doesn’t go stealing cars and then proceeds to set them on fire. Or you said stolen car drift around in circles hit a pedestrian, then set it on fire.
When they did their car meet, They shut down streets to make sure they have their own space and were away from the public and cops. No shootings, no pedestrians hit, no setting cars on fire. They went to race wars, away from public and no one got hurt or inconvenienced
This all of course was on the earlier ones where it was about cars. And not the crazy action films they became.
SoloPorUnBeso@reddit
The original F&F was about a criminal gang that blocked public streets and robbed semis. What are you on about?
Spicywolff@reddit
The car meet leading up to their street race. Did they ever once set a car on fire? No they did not. Did they ever steal cars with the sole intention of destroying them and being anarchist? No.
They blocked out the roads to do their street racing, car meet, betting on the race. Completely different than a car takeover in 2025.
Yeah, they boosted stuff from trucks, but that was a select part of the people there not the goal of their takeover This was a movie point. The actual car meet was chill even till the moment they lined up
SoloPorUnBeso@reddit
It's a movie. They don't show everything involved and even what they showed was criminal. They committed all sorts of crimes but it was movie about glorifying street racing (in part) so they only showed the sexy parts.
I'm a hypocrite because I've participated in multiple meets (not takeovers) and I will race pretty much anyone willing to give it a go as long as the roads are relatively empty. COVID was my jam because it was just assholes out on the roads.
But to sit here and say F&F was all about the "good" in street racing and car culture is incredibly ignorant. I imagine there's a racial aspect to this level of blindness.
Spicywolff@reddit
No, I’ve been two cars shows that I’ve done some street racing. So I’m not gonna pretend I’m an angel either but I’ve never participated in a street takeover. It’s a kind of car meets her out in the middle of nowhere away from public at night.
My point is the original fast and furious had street racing and car meets that didn’t involve causing thousands of dollars of damage hurting people, causing thousands of inconvenience, specifically having law-enforcement target you
Yes, the movie romanticizes it but the kind of people that do car shows similar to the original fast and furious are closer to safe car culture than a street takeover culture. Street takeover culture and car enthusiast culture or two very different things.
SoloPorUnBeso@reddit
It's not two different things. Street takeover culture is just a different subset of car culture. Let me be clear, I despise street takeovers and would never participate in them, but let's not pretend that car culture in general is completely innocent.
I used to watch all of the Super Speeders videos back in the day with Rob Ferretti, Matt Farah, etc. They were bombing down highways with little regard for regular traffic or police. Doug Demuro regularly speeds heavily in residential areas.
Car enthusiasts have always pushed the boundaries.
hertzsae@reddit
Did the real life takeovers the movie was emulating involve a lot more criminal activity than was shown in the movies? Were real life non-participants hurt in some of the real life races? Do you think the Hollywood version of these events glorifying some of the main participants will include the worst of the crimes?
People doing stuff with cars as their hobby are car enthusiasts. Anyone saying otherwise is pulling some No True Scotsman bullshit.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
shhhhhh...they don't want to hear that shit.
😂
SoloPorUnBeso@reddit
It's absolutely a subset of car culture. People have been doing illegal racing, shutting down highways, harassing innocent people, etc. for decades. I think takeovers are incredibly dumb and such, but people need to consider their own actions and the actions of past car enthusiasts.
It's why Cars & Coffee gets shut down all the time city after city. People in groups do stupid shit.
hertzsae@reddit
It's like arguing the idiots that crash their cars pulling out of C&C aren't car enthusiasts, but everyone leaning respectfully is.
SoloPorUnBeso@reddit
And I dislike the snotty "no revving" policies. I get it, but come on, every car enthusiast worth their salt would love to hear a Lambo V12 hit 9K rpm. We're there to enjoy cars. No one is bragging about how their Prius can drive up to 25mph silently.
Tombstonesss@reddit
Most people liked the cars and concept of family in the original movies.
rap4food@reddit
You don't have to like it, but it's definitely car culture. It's actually like the textbook definition of car culture, And it's actually part of the extremely long line of culturally important Southern California car cultures that we have from the 50s till now.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
On the other side of that coin it's also a pretty good example of SoCal's cultural attitude towards the public education system
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Anarchism still implies an understanding of the system you're looking to take down
This is just a bunch of dumb assholes
TheBeastX47@reddit
300 credit score activities
ugh_you_swine@reddit
Is that why the Chargers have 392 on the side? /s
TheGreenShitter@reddit
It's insane that it took this long
olov244@reddit
oh no
anyway
/clarkson
Raxater@reddit
The fuck you mean "soon"? How was that not already the case???
FlopShanoobie@reddit
Good.
jawknee530i@reddit
Someone stole my wife's Impreza hatchback last Thursday night. It was found flipped half on top of a parked car. These are the assholes that do takeovers.
MaybeNext-Monday@reddit
Only about 8 years late, decent turnaround for a US municipality.
GANG_SIGNS@reddit
How do you fine spectators? What crime would they be committing?
thefanciestcat@reddit
Unlawful assembly, probably other things too.
Scrimps@reddit
Street takeovers are dying out, and the new trend of swimming is becoming more popular. It's also 10 times more dangerous.
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
Swimming? No idea what you mean by that, but takeovers happen daily in Los Angeles still.
SiteRelEnby@reddit
This could be very, very bad. Last year I was in traffic and a couple of cars back from when one happened.
Will anyone who's in the wrong place at the wrong time driving a nice car get targeted?
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
I dont think it will be that bad, people will most likely need to have been out of their car. Cops know traffic backups happen. Back in the day they put a law against street racing spectators but from what I recall it was rarely enforced, they were focused on impounding cars.
Sick_Benz@reddit
praise the lord
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
Just fines alone is too light and not much of a deterrent. Add points and potential jail time if they get especially reckless.
shellmiro@reddit
The kind of people doing this sort of stuff don't really care about points or suspended licenses. Jail time and impounding the car are the only things which will actually impact them.
timberwolvesguy@reddit
Hell, crush em
OldRed91@reddit
Why don't they all just race at their local drag strip that is totally still open, oh wait...
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
They aren't car guys, takeover culture is more about a big party of chaos. They dont know how to drive, as seen by their terrible attempts at drift circles. There aren't many actual enthusuast cars at these events. Almost the entire crows that attends these events knows little to nothing about actual motorsports or racing. Takeover culture is not car culture.
OldRed91@reddit
I hear you. I've met these types of people before, and they are frustrating. But I'd like to think that if they at least had the option, some of that crowd would go to safe and legal race events instead.
verysketchyreply@reddit
Wreckless driving and criminal mischief at a minimum. I prefer the approach other states have, let state troopers chase, pit, throw any participant in jail. Most of the time they're stolen and your bound to find a stolen gun or drugs on them too. Throw every participant in jail, revoke their license, impound the car, solves all the other issues including spectators. What is a thousand dollar fine supposed to do? That's nothing in today's world
SRTie4k@reddit
Why would you want to jail people for wreckless driving?
verysketchyreply@reddit
because reckless driving has been considered a criminal offense in lots of states. 20mph over gets you sent to jail and car towed. Sliding around and hitting people with a car on public streets should safely fall in the maximum allowable punishment
Alina_Rayne@reddit
I bet they miss the days when actual car enthusiasts would just line up in a vacant areas and do some drag races," also brings up a valid point about the distinction between responsible car culture and these dangerous, illegal events. It emphasizes the negative impact these takeovers have on the perception of legitimate car enthusiasts.
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
It was still illegal for us to street race back in the day, but it was done in vacant places, there was no looting for property damage.
mmmmmyee@reddit
They haven’t already? This was a thing when i used to street drift in my shit head days. Maybe it’s a county by county thing?
They always ticketed spectators and jailed/impounded the cars they caught drifting in my area.
WestonP@reddit
I think we're all good with throwing the book at the people taking part in them, but trying to take action against people viewing something in public is just delusional.
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
That's how they stopped street racing back in the day. We went from having nearly a thousand cars every weekend going from spot to spot, to nothing seemingly overnight. It kinda came back but its not like before
jitso97@reddit
Next headline is look at all these cops going after kids…. Black kids!
CivilC@reddit
The problem with takeovers is that they are spread and ultimately generated through social media clout.
Everyone has seen at least one takeover on their instas, TikTok’s, etc. so these goobers want to be the guy to post up the viral clip of collision A, blown up tire B, or person getting run over C. Unless video platforms ban them outright, we won’t see the end of these
aquatone61@reddit
Soon? Like this should have been a thing the instant “takeovers” became instafamous.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Wait, are these guys not already facing heavy fines?
bandito12452@reddit
"soon" is why it's become such a big problem in the first place, why hasn't enforcement been tougher for the past 5-7 years?
Also, bring back local drag strips and other small tracks.
nefrina@reddit
most enthusiasts all want a local drag strip/track but aren't the individuals shutting down intersections, damaging property and endangering the public. the former have a healthy respect for law enforcement, the later do not.
bandito12452@reddit
Ideally the local tracks convince some of the knuckle draggers to come out on Friday nights instead of doing stupid shit on the street. Not perfect, but it's why they existed in the first place post-WW2. And of course it doesn't have to just be drag racing, my local track does drifting events, autocross, and amateur road track days to attract folks.
muftak3@reddit
It's a nightly thing in Las Vegas. Unfortunately, this type of enforcement wouldn't even make them pause. There are so many drivers with no tags, insurance, or a driver's license. The only way to stop it is to start impounding the cars for a certain time frame.
RogerZRZ@reddit
They will just steal more cars then…?
Vic_000001@reddit
If they do it like they do in the bay area it means when there is a street takeover with hundreds of people and cars a few police cars will respond, they'll issue like 5 tickets and impound a car or two while letting everyone else move to a new location to do it again. 🙄
iroll20s@reddit
Takeovers are dumb and dangerous, but criminalizing being in the vicinity of a crime is problematic. They just want to lower the bar to avoid having to actually prove anyone participated.
FtDetrickVirus@reddit
Is that constitutional?
DocPhilMcGraw@reddit
Pretty hard to fine or even arrest people when they scatter like cockroaches to a light when the police pull up.
I think this is could be a more effective deterrent. Coming up with ways to alter intersections to prevent them from being usable. It could also help with pedestrian safety as well.
animerobin@reddit
A lot of bad driving behavior happens because we design our streets like racetracks. A lot of the people who complain about takeovers will also drive too fast and recklessly on their way to work, which ends up hurting way more people. These same people oppose the changes to road design that might slow everyone down and save lives.
Spicywolff@reddit
Would also make it so folks turning left won’t cut across the other lanes. If I’m eating MF to turn left at a red arrow. From my right side comes a bro dozer with his green arrow narrowly clipping me. This barrier method makes them actual turn properly.
Hustletron@reddit
I call those Tennessee Turns.
There’s not a single person that grew up in Tennessee that even realizes that it is a huge douche love to not stay in your lane as you turn. Too lazy to move their wrist just a little more and allow right on red to use their close lane to keep traffic flowing.
Infuriating and an embarrassment to my state. No driver’s ed and barely any regular ed, either.
Sea-Barracuda4252@reddit
They figured it out here: https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/san-joaquin-sheriff-sends-strong-message-after-massive-stockton-sideshow-bust-were-setting-the-bar/
Powerful_Abalone1630@reddit
That's a cool way to make an intersection less likely to be used in a takeover. And I also like the potentially increased pedestrian safety.
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
I think if the task force is out they do a decent job of detaining them and pinning them into places they can't drive out of. If its just the normal PD response I've seen them just watch while they rock the cop cars back and forth, do donuts in front of the cops without a care in the world.
pancrudo@reddit
I think everyone is looking at the people who are driving, saying they should be arrested, and I don't disagree.
The main takeaway is that they're going to fine spectators. So the dumbass people we see around all recording it... Those people will get fines as well. It's a legislation that only certain cities had...
There was one city that raided one. They issued something like 3-400 tickets for spectating at $200 a head. I remember it was in California, so any car that seemed suspicious also got a roadside inspection. Something like 40-50 cars were impounded, but I don't remember if there were any arrests made
StanCranston@reddit
What’s taking so long? Impound and auction, every time.
edinburghiloveyou44@reddit
I agree with what /u/german-car-guy said. Gotta start really taking things away from these turds.
c74@reddit
the problem is that a lot of people not doing 'takeovers' will get hit. i was watching a video the other day when the cops in cali broke up what was a car show by telling people they would get arrested for taking part in a takeover. meanwhile the morons that actually do takeovers just race away from the scene knowing the police arent going to chase them. rinse repeat.
DameOClock@reddit
Good if you participate and/or encourage takeovers to happen you deserve whatever consequences come your way.
90Carat@reddit
Fines? Nah. Take the cars, crush the cars.
baumerman@reddit
Most of these cars are stolen
_mattyjoe@reddit
They’re really hurrying on this one.
Multifaceted-Simp@reddit
The Krispy Kreme meets in Burbank got shut down for being too popular yet peaceful
StraightStackin@reddit (OP)
Yup, if they let stuff like that stay maybe a lot of these kids would've been checking out that culture instead of whatever this is.
uglybushes@reddit
God
Turboteg90@reddit
5 years too late. Ive seen so many videos where they get hurt real bad but it’s also funny.