Do derbys exist in american sports?
Posted by Hyde1505@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 462 comments
Here in Europe, there are some very big and famous derbys between clubs from the same city or the same region. Like Celtic vs Rangers (Glasgow), Partizan vs Red Star (Belgrade), Liverpool vs Everton, Dortmund vs Schalke, Olympiakos vs Panathinaikos, Roma vs Lazio, etc. In Latin America we have Boca Juniors vs River Plate among many others.
These games are usually considered „high-risk“ with a lot of police involved because the fanbases are intense rivals.
Does the US sport also have these derbys?
botulizard@reddit
We don't call them that, but we do have rivalries. Some of these have names like a football derby would, and some even involve playing for a trophy (most often seen in university sports, but a few professional rivalries have them too).
It's very very rare, at least these days, to have any real risk of danger or violence, but something will happen once in a while, like for example around a decade ago, somebody got murdered over the Los Angeles Dodgers-San Francisco Giants baseball rivalry.
TheBimpo@reddit
We call them rivalries and the most heated ones are in college football. Michigan-Ohio State, Auburn-Alabama, Texas-Oklahoma, Iowa-Iowa State, etc.
They're not "high risk" because we don't have a sociopathic relationship with sports like these people do. Sports are generally family friendly affairs, not an accepted excuse to drink to oblivion and be violent.
Enough_Roof_1141@reddit
The deaths and murders I’ve heard about were not in college sports. NFL and MLB mostly.
cluelessstudent2021@reddit
The sociopathic relationship is more or less just with football/soccer rather than all sports over here. Other popular team sports like cricket and rugby are family friendly and generally don't have issues with violent fans having to be kept apart (I'm sure there are occasional incidents though)
Hyde1505@reddit (OP)
It’s similar in Germany here, but it depends a bit from country to country. For example in countries where basketball is really popular, they also have intense derbies. Right now, the finals series between Olympiacos and Panathinaikos is happening in the greek basketball league and the government literally had to interfere and now it’s unclear if the government allows that the series can be continued.
TheBimpo@reddit
This is way, way, way beyond what occurs in US rivalries. You may see a few drunks arguing themselves into a shoving match, but large scale violence flat out do not happen. I'll await the trolls to find an exception, rather than observing what's normal.
y3llowed@reddit
We had a guy poison a tree in the Alabama/Auburn rivalry. It was a huge deal, a crime, and a massive dick move, but no one came to blows over it.
There have been some assaults or fights between individual members of opposing fan bases (one in New Orleans before or after the Alabama/LSU game comes to mind), but it’s never all out brawls between groups. Just doesn’t happen here.
splittingxheadache@reddit
That guy was literally insane. I am pretty sure an Auburn fan got shot after the Iron Bowl years ago after mockingly saying "roll tide" to a Bama fan too.
AdPsychological790@reddit
Roll Tide.
D-ouble-D-utch@reddit
Malakas
Popular-Local8354@reddit
Jesus fucking Christ Europeans are insane
Lower_Neck_1432@reddit
It would make cricket more interesting if the fans started beating each other with the bats and someone stabbed a bowler with a wicket.
IcemanGeneMalenko@reddit
A lot of it is the demographics involved too over here in the UK when it comes to football/soccer. Large portions of the under 40s crowd are either drunk or coked up at away days, and the over 40s are trying to relive their youth, and are more often than not from a rough working class background (case in point - I'm from Blackburn). That mixed together with fierce local pride and nearly always something at stake = lots of unsavoury people and al the ugly stuff that comes with it.
iuabv@reddit
I think one difference is in the US, the top sports are all relatively popular in their own right rather than one single sport dominating like soccer does in Europe/LatAm.
If you're a massive fan of Baseball TeamA and someone who massively supports your rival Baseball TeamB moves in next door, you might throw a few playful jabs but you're probably more excited than anything to have someone new to watch baseball games with because all of the other dads on the street prefer football or hockey.
There are other cultural/class factors why soccer is seen as the "hooligan" sport but I do think the same is true in other European sports that aren't soccer - people are excited to meet another rugby fan, the fact that you is sort of secondary.
lostdragon05@reddit
Idk man, you ever been to Tiger Stadium at LSU when Bama was playing there? I’ve been to a lot of SEC stadiums and that’s the only one I wouldn’t take my kids to see Bama play, except for the garbage truck worker convention. I would happily take them to an Iron Bowl in Auburn wearing Alabama gear, but I have seen some stuff go down in Baton Rouge that they don’t need to see, and TN knows what they did.
s-r-g-l@reddit
My friend got told to fuck off by an elementary schooler and another friend took a full beer can to the head in Baton Rouge for wearing Bama gear
lostdragon05@reddit
Honestly, that’s pretty tame for Baton Rouge.
RoboticBirdLaw@reddit
LSU stuff isn't a rivalry issue. That's just an LSU fanbase issue. Those people are insane.
wclarke2@reddit
LSU vs Bama is definitely an underrated rivalry — I’ve been to college football games all over the south and Midwest, and nowhere do people get as drunk and rowdy and want to fight than at that matchup — you can literally feel the aggression in the air like nowhere else
lostdragon05@reddit
It’s been a great rivalry with both teams seeing high levels of success, but it’s also much more of an adult atmosphere when I have been.
icyDinosaur@reddit
Does rivalry have the geographic aspect? To me derbies are a subset of rivalries (those based on being from the same city or region) that brings a specific dynamic.
I'm a fan of FC Zürich, one half of the only "real" city derby in Swiss professional sports. When we were fighting Basel (who has a historic rivalry with Zurich that goes a bit beyond football) for championships in the late 2000s, they were probably our biggest rivalry, but no rivalry will ever be as constantly important no matter the standings as the one with our city rivals. It's also way more on one's mind since you see stickers, graffitis, jerseys, etc of both teams all the time in the city.
TheBimpo@reddit
Typically, especially with college football where tradition is so important.
Until the last few years, it effectively was a regional sport where conferences were determined by geography. The Big Ten Conference was midwestern schools who've played each other for a hundred years. The SEC is the southeast, Big 12 was the Great Plains, etc.
We're also a big country so people traveling across a continent for a game isn't an affordable/viable option for most fans.
Fan_Rat@reddit
The North Carolina-Duke college basketball rivalry comes closer to a derby’s intra-city feel, but the campuses are still eight miles/13 kilometers apart.
TheBimpo@reddit
Yep. Best rivalry in college basketball, by far. Both teams have a great history, public school vs private, proximity, conference supremacy at stake…it’s the best.
Fan_Rat@reddit
I have no segue here: But for the non-Americans who love soccer, this portion of the thread mentioned the Iowa-Iowa State rivalry. This is a series so notorious for its mediocrity that it’s become know as El Assico.
Seniorsheepy@reddit
To clarify the games are close and generally aren’t decided until the final minutes. Both football teams are just bad at football.
MoronLaoShi@reddit
USC vs UCLA (Battle for the Victory Bell) is probably the only major intracity rivalry. Philadelphia will have intracity university basketball rivalries. The rest do tend to be regional, though. USC vs Notre Dame (Battle for the Jeweled Shillelagh) is pretty much the only cross regional one I can think of.
Medajor@reddit
To some extent in college sports, you will have an in-state rival. So Michigan vs Michigan State, Auburn vs Alabama, Florida vs Florida State, Oregon vs Oregon State. Same city rivals only happen in really large metros that host multiple universities, like Berkeley vs Stanford.
EyeofHorus55@reddit
We don’t have a word to differentiate between a geographic rivalry and a competitive rivalry. That being said, the most heated rivalries absolutely have a geographical aspect, but the distances are generally larger than in Europe.
romulusjsp@reddit
In the US, our sports teams aren’t as inextricably linked to things like political/ethnic/religious/class identity the way they are elsewhere, especially in Europe. In Italy, for example, Lazio is traditionally thought of as a very “right wing” club whereas Livorno is traditionally very “left wing” - you just don’t have relationships like that in the US. The Old Firm in Scotland between Celtic and Rangers is essentially a political-religious rivalry with the veneer of a soccer game.
Wonderful-Emu-8716@reddit
I seem to recall plenty of college football games that were an excuse to drink to oblivion...
thatrightwinger@reddit
Sometimes college football fans are willing to set couches on fire or pull goalposts down, but that's about it.
dgmilo8085@reddit
Speak for yourself
reddock4490@reddit
Speak for yourself, the iron bowl rivalry definitely has gotten violent many times over the years
TheBimpo@reddit
Large brawls, flares being torched in the stadium, etc are not an expected and normal part of CFB rivalries.
Do a few drunks end up punching each other? Sure. I've seen videos of the shit that happens in Europe, it's beyond the pale of what happens in the US.
BoukenGreen@reddit
Did you have a “fan” poison your rival’s 100 year old trees because the team lost the game to them?
Popular-Local8354@reddit
Yeah, but Europe has to have riot police and segregate fans. Not comparable.
dzuunmod@reddit
Championships excepted.
___daddy69___@reddit
A derby is specifically a rivalry within the same city. There are lots of huge rivalries in soccer which are not derbies
El Classico (Barcelona vs Real Madrid), Der Klassiker (Bayern Munich vs Dortmund), Liverpool FC vs Manchester United, etc.
JLR-@reddit
The only rivalry game I know of where the stands are full of a military presence is the annual Army vs Navy football game
SnarkyFool@reddit
Still CFB's greatest rivalry, even though the teams are no longer in the national championship mix. (Although with an expanded playoff it's not entirely out of the question that one of them occasionally grabs a G5 bid.)
splittingxheadache@reddit
Navy was like ranked 8th in one of the years where the CFP was 4. There's a good chance a steady Army/Navy team gets in with 12. If it goes to 14-16? It'll happen soon enough.
huazzy@reddit
Absolutely, and the most popular one (based on T.V ratings) is Ohio State v. Michigan which routinely gets 17-20 million viewers.
However, there is much less violence and the police/city isn't going out of their way to prevent the fanbases from clashing.
The idea of police escorts for visiting fans is unheard of in the U.S
Ehh_WhatNow@reddit
This is not a Derby though. This is just a rivalry game. A Derby in the European definition, is when 2 teams from the same city play each other And it also happens to be a big rivalry. So NY Yankees be Mets. Chicago Cubs vs White Sox
icyDinosaur@reddit
As a European I find "happens to be" funny - I don't think there are many instance of two clubs sharing a city (or even a region) that isn't at least somewhat of a rivalry. Even when one club has bigger fish to fry, it's usually relevant for at least one of them. And even when there is not much of a historic rivalry, one usually forms over the geographic closeness.
Are there any "friendly neighbours" in US sports?
splittingxheadache@reddit
There are, things like the Baltimore Orioles vs the Washington Nationals are pretty low-consequence, even if there is actual financial reasons for Nationals fans to dislike the Orioles.
Howtothinkofaname@reddit
In London there are definitely clubs which don’t really have much of a rivalry, either through being in very different levels and not having played each other much or just geographical separation. But that’s a very large city with a lot of professional football teams (17 currently, 14 in the football league).
jememcak@reddit
You're right that there's always some element of rivalry because the fans interact more on a day to day basis, but in most US sports leagues, the teams that share a city are in different "conferences" or their sport's equivalent, which means they are much less of a direct competitor and can only meet in the playoffs in the championship game/round. This tends to diminish the rivalry, as most teams' biggest rivals are their own division or a team they meet regularly in the playoffs.
icyDinosaur@reddit
This is kinda wild to me tbh. We don't do the "conferences" thing over here with very few exceptions (and personally I still find it a bit unfair, at least the way they do it in the NHL which is the only North American sports league I ever followed), but if we did I feel there is no way they would separate out teams from the same city.
In the vast majority of cities that have a derby, it's a highlight of the season and a more or less guaranteed sellout game. I think suggesting to take away the guarantee of two derbies every season would be one of the few things that would get the fanbases to unite lol.
Sports fandom is one of the things where US and EU culture really seems to differ, even when ignoring the "violence" parts (which are mostly specific to football/soccer anyway)
royalhawk345@reddit
In addition to jememcak's explanation, divisions/conferences were a necessity because of the size of America. European countries are all so compact that it's no big deal to play a match against anyone else, in any location. But before air travel, it wasn't viable for American teams to make regular trips to far-flung opponents thousands of miles away. Instead teams were grouped into regional divisions that constituted a larger percentage of their games to mitigate the added difficulty of travel.
Those have drifted over time, with expansion teams being added and readily available flights minimizing need, but the structure is so ingrained in the sports that it would be difficult to remove. In addition, playing so many games against the same teams created the aforementioned rivalries, even though they were in different cities.
My Chicago Cubs, for example, took a 1212-1188 lead this weekend in their all-time series with the Cincinnati Reds.
big_sugi@reddit
Realignment in college sports has really screwed up regional affiliations. The Atlantic Coast Conference (ie, named for the coast of the Atlantic Ocean, where its teams historically were located) now includes Southern Methodist University (located in Dallas, Texas, in the middle of the country) as well as Stanford University and the University of California-Berkeley—both of which are on the Pacific coast, on the opposite side of the continent.
jememcak@reddit
For the most part, the origins go back to the very beginning of the sport, where there were two or more completely independent and rival leagues (American Football League/National Football League, American League/National League for baseball), so each league would form a team in the biggest cities (typically Chicago, New York, and the general LA area). Eventually, the leagues merged, but they retained the general structure of the original separate leagues in the form of a conference (they kept the AL/NL names in baseball).
The NHL, which you brought up, does not follow this system for their conferences. They follow a geographic east/west split that is not really founded in any historical leagues. In my opinion, this leads to a less balanced conference system than the other major sports, but it does lead to cross-town rivals also being division rivals.
icyDinosaur@reddit
Now I wonder why we never had multiple leagues competing like that! (Probably because European leagues are not independent businesses the way at least the NHL is, but I am not sure)
keithlaub@reddit
I think so, as well as how national governing bodies administer their respective sports in Europe. In the US, there's a franchise model and the leagues are only answerable to themselves.
In the 60s and 70s, when "challenger" leagues popped up in the US (AFL for football, ABA for basketball, WHA for hockey), it was initiated by businessmen who saw a market inefficiency and wanted to challenge the hegemony of the preexisting leagues. The only credibility they required was putting on a product that the public wanted to see.
If a similar group of businessmen wanted to produce a challenger league to the Premier League, not only would they be fighting an uphill battle against a century-plus of supporter loyalty, they'd be unlikely to get a sanction from the FA, they'd struggle to fit into the FIFA ecosystem, and I suspect would face some governmental resistance too.
okeverythingsok@reddit
One notably low-friction “rivalry” would be the LA Dodgers and the Anaheim Angels. They kind of just coexist across town from one another. Whereas in Chicago, there’s pretty bad blood between the White Sox and the Cubs, but it’s still mostly in good fun. Not sure about other major cities with multiple pro sports teams.
WalkingTarget@reddit
Growing up in Central IL, the friendly rivalry was between Cubs and Cardinals fans. Nobody I knew in childhood cared about the White Sox at all. Because we were largely equidistant from Chicago and St. Louis and the teams actually played each other regularly.
Greeninexile@reddit
My wife and I were in California on holiday a couple of weeks ago so we went to a Dodgers game (can’t get any more American than that). Turns out that they were playing the Angels on the day we went.
As both of us are fans of a lower tier English football team (Plymouth Argyle who are 2 divisions off the Premier League following our relegation at the end of the season) we were both gobsmacked that fans of both teams sat together without any animosity whatsoever. We even saw Angels fans with shirts with ‘Ohtani’ on their backs. If that was English football and a star player moved to their crosstown rivals, I can absolutely guarantee that no fan would continue to wear that shirt let alone take it to a game to wear!
It was a fun experience but it felt very sanitised compared to a football match. While I obviously don’t support violence in any way, the adversarial nature of chanting at the other teams fans I think makes the game more enjoyable and helps with the atmosphere on both ends.
I’d be interested to see if college football is more similar to a European sporting event. I suspect it would probably be similar to a rugby match in England where the fans sit together unsegregated but there’s still a bit of banter.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
That's the general sense I have. College ball sits in between US pro sports and what you describe of European sports.
Darryl_Lict@reddit
The Dodgers and Angels have never met in the World Series, and the Angels sole appearance was against the Giants. It's really Arte Moreno's vanity that added the Los Angeles moniker to the Angels, we all know it's the Anaheim Angels.
The Giants A's rivalry is more significant and famously, the Bay Bridge World Series was interrupted by a humongous earthquake that actually broke the Bay Bridge. Supposedly, a lot more people would have died under the collapse of the 880 because of people watching the World Series. The A;s and the Giants met twice previously when they were in Philadelphia and NYC respectively.
ucbiker@reddit
Because of TV market, most American sports teams are kept geographically distinct. And if they’re geographically close, then they’re put in a league such that there’s very little chance that they compete against each other.
Like the Jets and the Giants play in the same stadium and represent the same city but I’ve never heard anyone really talk about a Jets/Giants rivalry. Most animus from those teams is directed at their division rivals (teams they play twice a year every year) while the Jets and Giants only play each other once maybe every 4 years?
Bamboozle_@reddit
Doesn't have to be the same city to be a derby, at least in England. Tyne–Wear for instance is Sunderland bs Newcastle and will be back in the Premier League next season.
WARitter@reddit
So the equivalent here would be like, the Giants vs Eagles?
blackhawk905@reddit
There's 10 times as many miles between Philadelphia and NYC than his two cities lmao, maybe Philadelphia and Norristown, though even that's 6 miles farther apart.
Bamboozle_@reddit
More or less. Probably a bit closer than those too actually.
blackhawk905@reddit
Google maps is telling me that the center of Sunderland to the center of Newcastle upon Tyne is a 25 minute 14 mile drive, that's two different cities but that's not much farther than driving from one end of Raleigh inside it's beltline to the other, I can drive from one end of the Atlanta suburb I grew up in to the other and have gone farther in more time lmao.
This is like comparing Yonkers and Brooklyn, different cities but looking at a map it's urban sprawl interconnected, though those two cities are farther distance wise.
Sheetz_Wawa_Market32@reddit
Same in Germany. Whenever an area (which can be a city, but can just as well be a county, state, or some other region, however defined) has only two teams playing in the same division or roughly the same level, matches between them will often be called derbies.
Suppafly@reddit
I don't think we have that so much since most cities don't have two of the same team in the same sport. The two examples you listed are the only ones I can think of.
Ehh_WhatNow@reddit
Really? NY Giants and Jets. LA Lakers vs Clippers. NY Knicks vs Brooklyn Nets. NY Rangers vs Islanders. LA Kings vs Anaheim Ducks. You could even say SF Giants vs Oakland A’s is a Derby since they’re both in the same metro area
Derplord4000@reddit
Giants and Jets play in different conferences, so they don't play against each other enough to consider themselves rivals. Same for the Rams and Chargers.
IcemanGeneMalenko@reddit
A big difference too is the size and population of your cities that have 2 teams, compared to Europe, specifically over here in the UK (easier for me to relate to). It seems that anything under a major metro doesn't have more than 1 team. So would them less....in house? if that's the wording.
Bristol has under 500k people, Sheffield under 600k and Dundee has under 150k(!). All 3 have heated derbies.
Even when there's 2 different distinct cities separated by a river or something, they're small and really close together (relatively speaking). 2 more heated derbies - Newcastle and Sunderland are 12 miles apart, Southampton and Portsmouth are 19 miles apart, so on and so forth. So more toe stepping going on, per say.
Suppafly@reddit
I'm not a big sports guy so I haven't heard of a few of those. Others a bit of a stretch, LA and Anaheim are different cities.
RoboticBirdLaw@reddit
Even those aren't really that big of a deal because in every instance I can think of with two teams in the same city/metro, basically nobody cares about one of the teams.
NBA: Knicks and Lakers have basically all the fans in NY and LA.
MLB: Cubs, Dodgers, and Yankees have all the fans in Chicago, LA, and NY.
NFL: Rams have all 5 of the fans in LA. The Giants/Jets is probably the closest of this whole list, but it is still pretty solidly in favor of the Giants.
I might be forgetting something, but none of those are particularly intense matchups. Part of the problem is that the MLB and NFL both put teams in the same city in separate leagues, so those games just really aren't that important and don't happen regularly. With the NBA, the Clippers and Nets have just been mostly irrelevant as compared to their intra-city competitor.
ursulawinchester@reddit
So the US doesn’t have them because when a city has more than one team, they are likely in different divisions of the league.
For the Mets and Yankees to play each other, for example, it would have to be in the World Series. The Mets would first have to win the National League pennant and the Yankees would win the American League pennant. Otherwise they would not meet. In the case of this rivalry, it would be called a “Subway Series” and the last time it happened was 2000. For a suburban NJ third grader, lines were drawn in the sand at recess. It was almost as serious as the divide between Backstreet Boys and *NSYNC fans.
Very few US cities have multiple teams playing the same sport.
chicagotim1@reddit
Rivalries are a lot more all in good fun (mostly) in the US . I'm a White Sox fan, I'll give a Cubs fan a hard time and vice versa but neither of us actually dislike each other
nothingbuthobbies@reddit
A lot of the rivalries in European sports, particularly football/soccer, are rooted in history, politics, and class disparity, with the sport itself essentially just being a proxy. This is especially obvious with rivalries like Real Madrid vs. Barcelona (Real Madrid having historical ties to the Spanish monarchy, and Barcelona being closely associated with Catalonian secessionist movements) or in post-Soviet countries where the teams were literally the police, or the army, or some labor union. The teams for the most part weren't just a product created by the league and marketed toward the league's audience the way that a lot of them are here. Not suggesting that American teams don't often have rich and interesting histories, just that they've essentially "grown up" differently than European ones.
splittingxheadache@reddit
This is it, basically. Americans want to see their teams win and their rivals lose. We never had the President show favoritism to the Detroit Tigers while banning Chicagoans from eating deep dish pizza. We don't have rivalries where religious identification is a part of the "choice" you make to be a fan.
Whereas Real Madrid was literally "the generalissimo's team" and Barcelona fans were getting imprisoned for speaking Catalan, and being a Rangers FC fan who attends mass is still seen as odd. Obviously some simplifications, but some European people tend to not recognize why we don't throw flares onto the field.
argella1300@reddit
The Dodgers and the Yankees had similar vibes/reputations before the Dodgers moved to LA.
Old_Marzipan891@reddit
Fuck Robert Moses
cloverhunter95@reddit
We get a bit of that. The Michigan v Ohio rivalry is founded on an actual war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War
Express_Barnacle_174@reddit
While Ohio brags that it won the war, Michigan jokes that they lost to avoid taking Toledo.
chicagotim1@reddit
That's interesting! Thanks
Useful-ldiot@reddit
Depends on the rivalry. Giants/Dodgers absolutely gets violent. It doesn't get hooligan violent, but there's plenty of violence.
Constant_Chip_1508@reddit
I strongly dislike Cubs fans, not the team as much.
92xSaabaru@reddit
I haven't been able to follow baseball too much the last 10 years, but it seemed like the Cubs-Sox rivalry peaked in the 2000s and really mellowed out in the 2010s and 20s. Seems like at least one if not both teams have just been having a really noncompetitive season when they've met.
Old_Marzipan891@reddit
We've only been in the playoffs at the same time twice - 1906 and 2008. Two winning ballclubs in Chicago is a rare and beautiful thing.
(Cubs fan here)
chicagotim1@reddit
Well you seem to be up to date haha that's very true. Those teams were both very good at the same time and the famous moments like AJ coming around to score and getting punched in the face and the time fans lined the outfield with beer cans were from those days haha
DepressedPancake4728@reddit
With all due respect you as a White Sox fan are in no position right now to give Cubs fans a hard time. Althought I'm a Rockies fan so I can't really talk either
Nuclearcasino@reddit
We reserve the right to talk shit about each other but no else does.
SurpriseEcstatic1761@reddit
I was shit talking the Blue Jays to a guy on the Seattle Lite rail one day. He gave it right back. Then he said, "Oh yeah, we won today's game."
Oops, I thought he was going to the game.
NintendogsWithGuns@reddit
Yeah, but I wouldn’t wear the other team’s jersey at a home game in Philadelphia. Although it’s widely known that they have the most toxic and violent fan base in the United States.
Lower_Neck_1432@reddit
You have to admit, the Euros have better cheers and chants than the USA. Dirtier and funnier - they'd have to bleep it constantly if we did it in the USA.
NintendogsWithGuns@reddit
If I was watching a sport as boring as soccer, I’d make up a bunch of weird songs and chants too.
huazzy@reddit
Compare that to how it works in some places in Europe.
The train company schedules a specific train JUST for the visiting fanbase where you're forced to sit in specified compartments/carriages. Once you arrive to the train station you board specific buses that have a police escort that lead you to a part of the stadium that has no connections to the rest of the stadium. Inside the stadium your seating area is separated by metal gates and security guards. Some stadiums also leave a buffer of empty rows/seats to further create a divide.
When the match/game ends you wait until the home crowd leaves before you're allowed to exit. Once done you're escorted back to the specific buses, and back to the train station with a police escort.
blackhawk905@reddit
Absolutely insane that they often have fans that can't be civilized adults
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
That's completely crazy. We're just unable to imagine.
clenom@reddit
I have. It was fine. Plenty of people there were. The Philly fan stuff is wildly overstated. People took jokes about it way too seriously.
schmatteganai@reddit
some drunk Eagles fans nearly set my house on fire with their grill last year, so I confess to not being a fan- it didn't help my opinion that they were loudly being obnoxious while also being bad at grilling in a flammable area
But aside from that I've never felt physically threatened by Eagles fans doing anything worse than dumping their food on me, or getting in my face in a generically obnoxious way
shelwood46@reddit
Eagle fans are most likely to injure themselves celebrating after a win than by getting into a fight with the other team's fans.
Silent-Hyena9442@reddit
Eh I've been going to Giant games for over 20 years now and Philly fans are the worst comparatively to other fan bases imo.
That said "the worst" is like a few drunken fights in the parking lot and a few more escorts during the game. Its still quite mundane.
The way people talk about it you would think the red wedding occurs every weekend at the link.
schmatteganai@reddit
I think this really depends on which team you would be supporting, how many other supporters of that team are there, and how used you are to Eagles Fan shenanigans
Eagles fans are obnoxious, but they don't usually physically attack people without mutual consent to start a fight, haha
ucjj2011@reddit
Raiders fans have entered the chat (And have stabbed the opposing fan)
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Or a 9er jersey at the Oakland Coliseum. Before they moved to Vegas, that is.
anclwar@reddit
People wear rival team gear in Philly all the time and survive. The average Philly fan isn't going to do anything except heckle someone in rival team gear.
The reputation is old and exaggerated. A few bad apples spoiled the whole bunch, yadda yadda.
NintendogsWithGuns@reddit
Compare that to any Texas-based team, where no one gives two shits what jersey you’re wearing.
thunder_boots@reddit
In the 80s you couldn't even have Arkansas plates on your car in Austin.
Gyvon@reddit
Philly's the one exception. They threw batteries at fucking Santa Clause!
thunder_boots@reddit
Yankees fans spit on Cliff Lee while he was with the Phillies.
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Stop regurgitating this shit. You want the real story?
https://whyy.org/articles/philadelphia-eagles-santa-snowball-incident/
Gyvon@reddit
No. It's inconvenient to my narrative.
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Fair enough.
lpbdc@reddit
I don't know if I'd wear a Eagles jersey in Philly, especially if the player was preforming poorly
Lower_Neck_1432@reddit
Although, you might get a sofa or two on the street burned.
devAcc123@reddit
The Ohio police pepper sprayed the Michigan players on the field last year after a fight broke out lol
molten_dragon@reddit
Less violence, but not no violence. Police were on the field pepper spraying people at the OSU Michigan game last year because players were getting into it.
blackhawk905@reddit
Weren't they also pepper spraying people because they were on the field lmao, if you watch some of the clips there are a lot of people getting sprayed because I guess it's fun to pepper spray people congregating on the field.
TheSniper_TF2@reddit
Which is a shame. Texas-Oklahoma is a much better intrastate rivalry and a better football game to watch compared to Ohio State-Michigan.
___daddy69___@reddit
Ohio State vs Michigan is a massive rivalry, but it is not a derby
flp_ndrox@reddit
Depends on how loosely one defines a "region" I doubt central Ohio and SE Michigan would be considered the same region in England but are both considered Midwestern in the US.
___daddy69___@reddit
A derby is generally two teams in the same city. The only real “derbies” i’m aware of in the US are in NYC, LA, and maybe Chicago
Routine_Historian369@reddit
Maybe not for college, but there are high school rivalries in the south where police escorts are needed after games are over.
SereneDreams03@reddit
As a visiting fan for the Timbers vs. Sounders game in Portland last month we are always escorted into the stadium by police, and go through a separate entrance. Its a common practice in the MLS to have a separated section in the stadium for away fans.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Is it to prevent actual violence? Or is it because that's how the Europeans do it?
SereneDreams03@reddit
It's to prevent violence. You'll see home fans come near the away sections and talk trash, looking to pick a fight. The barriers help security keep the fans apart.
Even with the barriers and security, I have seen some pushing and shoving, and they might try and steal your scarf, but nothing too major.
jf737@reddit
I’m not sure that qualifies as a “derby”. I think in order to be a derby the teams have to be from the same city
Known_Chapter_2286@reddit
Eh not true. Liverpool and Man United is technically considered a derby. The two teams really just need to be somewhat close together. In an American context, given how spread out we are, intrastate college football probably applies best (Michigan MSU or Alabama Auburn) but I think major games like Michigan OSU or Texas Oklahoma from neighboring states qualify too
nycfcbvb@reddit
Liverpool United is a rivalry, not a derby. There is the Manchester derby (United v City), and the Merseyside derby (Liverpool v Everton). Liverpool v United is just a big rivalry because of the success of the two clubs.
Known_Chapter_2286@reddit
It’s called the northwest derby
icyDinosaur@reddit
One of the most iconic derbies I can think of is the Revierderby between Dortmund and Schalke, who are not from the same city and nobody really questions its derby status.
That said, Dortmund and Gelsenkirchen are still close together (ca 30 km/10-15 miles apart). You do kinda have to be from the same region for it to count. And then there are the people calling Switzerland vs Germany a derby, which just seems wrong.
MyUsername2459@reddit
For some big games there can be heightened police presence, especially if riot-like celebrations are anticipated.
Whenever the University of Kentucky is in a Basketball championship game, the Lexington PD is out in force across the city because it's expected there will be a huge and unruly celebration if they win. . .and other unruly conduct if they lose.
RetroRocket@reddit
In addition to the other answers, many rivalries in America have terrific names. The Egg Bowl, Good Clean Old Fashioned Hate, Bedlam, The $5 Bits of Broken Chair Trophy, the Red River Shootout (all CFB) and Hell is Real and El Tráfico (MLS), are just a few.
Spideydawg@reddit
BYU vs Utah: Holy War
BYU vs Utah State: Battle for the Old Wagon Wheel (the trophy is shaped like the wheel of a covered wagon.
I have my own jokey names for certain matchups, often based on a player they shared. Edmonton Oilers vs LA Kings = Gretzky's Curse. Buccaneers vs 49ers = the Steve Young Bowl. The AFC North = Steelers vs. Paul Brown's Legacy.
RoboticBirdLaw@reddit
And then the ever glorious play on El Trafico - El Assico (aka the CyHawk series).
BlueSoloCup89@reddit
Pretty sure it’s a play on El Clásico.
NFLDolphinsGuy@reddit
Yes, this correct.
BureauOfCommentariat@reddit
World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party.
Shrektastic28@reddit
Civil War, Apple Cup. Holy War is my favorite though!
BreadUntoast@reddit
Holy shit $5 Bits of Broken Chair mentioned! I’m a bit biased as a husker fan but it’s one of my favorite rivalry games!
RedneckThinker@reddit
They also mentioned Bedlam and the Red River Shootout. Methinks, we may have a classic Big XII enjoyer! Maybe even Big 8!
bothwaysme@reddit
Such a fun and kinda dumb story behind it too!
wormbreath@reddit
I miss the bopo Nebraska era so much. That whole trophy came from the Minnesota mascot and feauxpelini on Twitter. What a time!
Old_Marzipan891@reddit
Iowa - Iowa State is El Ássico and I love that name
AwfulGoingToHell@reddit
Tell me you didn’t go to an SEC school without telling me you didn’t goto an SEC school
goldentriever@reddit
What are you talking about lol. The Egg Bowl is SEC (Hotty toddy) and I guess the RRS is too now
AwfulGoingToHell@reddit
Real SEC schools don’t care about Mississippi
RetroRocket@reddit
Get fucked, I went to Washington State. Go Cougs.
AwfulGoingToHell@reddit
So I was correct
Routine_Historian369@reddit
Most SEC fans will lead with the Iron Bowl or UGA/Auburn or Bama/Vols before the Egg Bowl.
BlueSoloCup89@reddit
Sure, but they were talking about awesome names of rivalries. Egg Bowl has got to be the one of the best names in the country, let alone the SEC.
Derplord4000@reddit
Go Cougs!
theArkotect@reddit
Love to see MLS mentioned! Hudson River Derby, Cascadia Cup, Copa Tejas, are a few more. Some of these made more sense when the league was smaller, but some have gotten even better:
Wiki link
Fyaal@reddit
The duel in the desert, backyard brawl, 100 miles of hate, battle of the brazos, The Holy War, farmageddon, rumble in the Rockies, techmo bowl (personal favorite name), brawl of the wild, 26th street tussle
klimekam@reddit
Since your question has been answered (yes, they’re called rivalries) can I please quickly hijack your thread to ask why y’all pronounce it “darby?” 😭
Living_Murphys_Law@reddit
Yankees vs Red Sox in baseball springs to mind
TrillyMike@reddit
Yeah we just call em rivalries tho. Not as relevant in pro sports cause most cities only have one pro team for each sport. College however, a lot of in-state rivalries or neighboring state rivalries. The Saturday after Thanksgiving is always “Rivalry Week” in college football. Matchups like: Alabama v Auburn, Ohio State v Michigan, Florida v Florida State, etc. Some of the rivalry games have fun names too: Alabama v Auburn is “the Iron Bowl”, Florida v Georgia is “the cocktail party”, Texas v Oklahoma is the “Red River Rivalry(used to be shootout instead of rivalry but they moved away from that cause the pew pews is an issue)”, Pitt v West Virginia is “The Backyard Brawl”, there’s a bunch more. Some of these games also pass a trophy back n forth to whoever wins each year.
Also some great rivalries in college basketball. Duke v North Carolina is the biggest and most similar to a traditional derby as those schools are only 8 miles apart. Louisville vs Kentucky is another big one.
But yeah most of our rivalries based on proximity are found in college sports.
___daddy69___@reddit
I know this is pedantic and we don’t use the term anyways, but none of those examples would be considered a derby
mwthomas11@reddit
what's a derby then?
nothingbuthobbies@reddit
To be a true derby it has to have the geographical proximity factor. Manchester United vs. Arsenal, as an example, is one of the biggest rivalries in the Premier League, but it's not a derby. And not all derbies are super heated rivalries. A derby and a rivalry are essentially two completely different things that just happen to overlap a lot of the time.
mwthomas11@reddit
Sounds like we'd basically be limited to NY or LA then since they're the only cities that have multiple teams in the same league.
acquiesce011979@reddit
Chicago has the Cubs and Sox
mwthomas11@reddit
True. NY and LA have multiple yeams in all four major leagues though, while Chicago is just the MLB.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
The Subway Series (Yankees vs. Mets) might qualify.
nothingbuthobbies@reddit
Correct, and I'm sure that's by design at least on some level. Good luck trying to put together a grassroots team in Kansas City and play in the NFL. The league can make expansion teams or essentially be bribed by an owner who wants to move their team to an existing market, but in England, for example, you could start a soccer team in London tomorrow and there is a systematic way that that team could ultimately end up playing in the Premier League. It would be extremely unlikely given how rich the existing teams already are, but hypothetically if your team is good enough, no one could stop you.
mwthomas11@reddit
I agree promotion/relegation not existing here is a limiting factor, but I think its moreso just raw geography. The US is ~40x larger than the UK, and the NFL has just 1.6x more teams than the Premier League. NHL is 1.6x but also includes Canada, NBA and MLB are 1.5x (and include Toronto).
royalhawk345@reddit
You're burying the lede! These illustrious trophies run the gamut from a hat, a turtle, and a cannon (my school's) to a spittoon, a bucket, a jug, and $5 bits of broken chair.
cananon@reddit
None of those compare to the magnificent Land Grant Trophy!
Gophurkey@reddit
We're getting that damn canon back, Illinois. Boiler up!
Hopsblues@reddit
Bronze Boot
TrillyMike@reddit
Big facts!
Seniorsheepy@reddit
A live pig at one point
quietude38@reddit
This is Civil ConFLiCT erasure
Fathoms_Deep_1@reddit
God I love the Civil ConFLiCT
More teams need to just decide that they’re rivals with a random team out of the blue
Drew707@reddit
Go Pack?
Electrical_Quiet43@reddit
Don't forget a slab of bacon and the ax of a mythical lumberjack.
BrooklynLodger@reddit
Don't forget the MLB has the Subway Series where the New York Mets play the New York Yankees
TrillyMike@reddit
True indeed!
Massnative@reddit
Tell me you've never been to a Red Sox v. Yankees game, without telling me you've never been to a Red Sox v. Yankees game. :-)
TrillyMike@reddit
Fuck em both! Go Os! Nah but I got kinda fixated on the same city rivalry ting cause of derbys but that’s certainly a great example of an intense pro rivalry.
funniefriend1245@reddit
My parents host Turkey Carcass Soup Day for the Michigan/Ohio State game! Any leftover turkey becomes the soup, Mama cooks the bones into stock, and she makes her own homemade noodles too. Sometimes we have gluten free guests so she does a batch with wild rice instead. Some years we do a turkey trot on the property (they live on an inactive farm plus quite a few acres of forest). It's basically Second Thanksgiving and I love it.
I don't care about football at all, but I love the energy and the food is delicious!
Aeon1508@reddit
At some point I they came up with calling Ohio State versus Michigan "The Game".
Believe that's recent
TrillyMike@reddit
Ahh! Didn’t realize it had a name!
Aeon1508@reddit
In fairness it's a really shitty name
TheSniper_TF2@reddit
It's mostly because Harvard vs. Yale is The Game and they just stole it.
bandman232@reddit
Probably because Michigan got clapped for about 20 years and just started being competitive again.
No-Possibility5556@reddit
Cal Stanford said we can do better lol
UdderSuckage@reddit
The Big Game started 5 years before The Game, though.
Keredcross@reddit
I always thought that was the name for Harvard-Yale.
Aeon1508@reddit
Yeah I guess they both are. Harvard vs yale is kind of lost its prestige though
butt_honcho@reddit
And if they have more than one, they're in different leagues and rarely if ever play each other. New York calls it the Subway Series when it happens.
Meowmixalotlol@reddit
In the NHL all three NY metro teams play in the same division and are big rivals.
Ops also wrong that it needs to be same city for rivalry games. Plenty of states have multiple teams and do the same.
shelwood46@reddit
Also the cops aren't usually on call to break up fights, though in some places they may break up big parties.
Dan_Berg@reddit
Some pro sports still have bitter rivalries. Go to r/philadelphia and type in Dallas in any comment, and an automod will let you know most people's opinion on the city...Eagles fans are a unique bunch. I'm a lifelong NJ Devils ice hockey fan, and the crowd will chant "[NY] Rangers suck, [Philadelphia] Flyers swallow" no matter who they are playing against. I think it's cringe, but it doesn't lessen my hatred for either team.
Jaymac720@reddit
We have the Kentucky Derby. Major event. In seriousness, I don’t actually know. I don’t follow pro sports. There are rivalries at the high school and collegiate levels, but I’m not sure about pro
BureauOfCommentariat@reddit
Ravens Steelers may be the biggest rivalry in the NFL. It was a lot spicier in the Ray Lewis/Ben Roethlisberger but it still exists. The teams play at least twice per year. Last year after the game in Baltimore some Steelers fans were fighting each other. A few years ago some guy got stabbed at a Redskins/Cowboys game.
HotSteak@reddit
A "derby" is a stakes race for 3 year old horses where I come from.
communityneedle@reddit
Yes, but that kind of derby is pronounced derby. The kind of derby OP is talking about is pronounced Darby fir some reason
Carnegiejy@reddit
In Europe, especially England, it's the slang for a rivalry game.
thatrightwinger@reddit
Ironically, the Belmont and Preakness are both stakes races for three year old thoroughbreds. but they do not use the term "Derby" for their races.
UtterFlatulence@reddit
Or a bunch of cub scouts racing wooden carrs down a ramp.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
The Pinewood Derby! Core memory unlocked.
watercouch@reddit
All derbies are named after the original Epsom Derby in the UK, itself named for the Earl of Derby.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_(horse_race)
The best thing about this entire question is that all the UK redditors are reading it as “DAR-bee” while all the US ones are reading it as “DER-bee”.
The BBC tries to explain the rivalry usage of the word here, but the answer seems to be “we’re not sure”…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/68892205
GhostOfJamesStrang@reddit
Or competition of vehicular mayhem in which the last vehicle operating is declared the victor.
molten_dragon@reddit
Or an MLB competition to see who can hit the most home runs.
Wallawalla1522@reddit
Or a type of dress shoe
_pamelab@reddit
Or a hat.
Blue387@reddit
Pete Alonso practically lives for thr home run derby
iquire@reddit
This also, but with vehicles replaced with women on roller skates
Odd-Help-4293@reddit
There's also roller derby, which is an amateur sport played on roller skates.
Vachic09@reddit
Same here
Rimailkall@reddit
Yes, but we call them rivalries here. Derby only means horse races here in the U.S. Some famous rivalries:
1maco@reddit
In college there are
But in pro sports most intra-city teams are left over from when two rival leagues merged (AL v v Pacific coast league, NL, AFL vs NFL etc) rather fan being part of a single national pyramid.
And as a result the Cubs and the White Sox only started playing against each other in like 1999. Despite being both well over 100 years old.
ConsiderationCrazy22@reddit
Google The Game (aka the Ohio State vs Michigan rivalry)
Constant_Chip_1508@reddit
Sure. Cubs vs White Sox is a popular one in Chicago. Little less so since the Sox suck horribly and the Cubs are good right now, but we don’t like each other
ReturnByDeath-@reddit
Rivalry games? Yeah. In fact, MLB just have a “Rivalry Series” weekend with teams playing either their in-city rivals or those from a nearby city.
DeathandHemingway@reddit
The Freeway Series isn't really a rivalry.
ReturnByDeath-@reddit
It’s certainly no Dodgers-Giants, but the fact it has a name suggests some bragging rights at least.
DeathandHemingway@reddit
As a native Angeleno and life-long Dodger fan, I can tell you it's not a rivalry. We've never played games that actually mattered, no one talks about it, it's not like Lakers/Clippers where there is a rivalry but us Lakers fans pretend it isn't.
The name came from marketing back before interleague play when they'd play a series towards the end of spring training, but there's no rivalry there.
_sdm_@reddit
I second this. As a Dodger fan, I couldn’t care less about the Angels (although I suppose I’d root for them if I was ever asked). And as a Laker fan, I am entirely ambivalent about the Clippers.
nothingbuthobbies@reddit
Not all derbies that OP is talking about are especially heated either, to be fair. The Merseyside Derby has historically been pretty amiable, for example.
Artvandelay29@reddit
Don’t forget the “Eddie Vedder Cup” between Seattle and San Diego all while Vedder is an outspoken Cubs fan!
kmosiman@reddit
The what?
Eddie is probably at a Cubs game and probably singing the 7th inning stretch again.
Old_Marzipan891@reddit
It was a made up joke thing Seattle and SD fans cooked up because they kept getting billed as "rivals" and MLB finally made it a thing this year.
SnarkyFool@reddit
Lol I'd never heard of that one! What's the history behind it?
I would have absolutely assumed an Eddie Vedder Cup was Cubs vs Sox, Brewers, or Cards.
Old_Marzipan891@reddit
It started out as a meme between Seattle and San Diego fans, then this year MLB made it an actual thing.
The gist of it though is Eddie lived in SD as a kid and rose to fame in Seattle.
Eubank31@reddit
No history, the MLB put together a rivalry weekend but had to pair up Seattle and San Diego because everyone else was spoken for
owledge@reddit
I believe the rivalry weekend is a new thing (although I remember in the past a lot of these matchups happening on the same weekend) but the rivalry pairings themselves have been happening every year since interleague play was introduced in 1997
oarmash@reddit
I think they literally just asked ChatGPT lol
nvkylebrown@reddit
Yeah, it's tough. All the American league teams hate the Yankees most of all, but only one of them can be the rival for a weekend deal. Both Cleveland and Boston would consider the Yankees a bigger rival than each other.
Geography first probably makes the most sense. Though Dodgers-Giants would be a bigger deal than either Dodgers-Angels or Giants-As. You wind up with fewer spare teams doing geography first.
BlueSoloCup89@reddit
I’d say the exception to the hating-the-Yankees rule is the Astros because of the relatively newness to the AL. Seems like most of the older fans loathe the Cardinals or Dodgers more, while younger fans loathe the Rangers. Yankees will eventually become public enemy number one, though.
carlse20@reddit
The weekend in question was exclusively inter league rivalries btw - so yeah American League teams all hate the Yankees but none of them were ever gonna get that matchup that weekend cuz the Yankees had to play an nl team
Darryl_Lict@reddit
For years, games between the Padres and Mariners have been informally known as “The Vedder Cup” -- a reference to Pearl Jam front man and Rock & Roll Hall of Famer Eddie Vedder, a one-time resident of both San Diego and Seattle.
Even though Pearl Jam is a Seattle band, Eddie's adolescence was in San Diego and he was in a couple of bands down there.
SnarkyFool@reddit
Cool, thank you. I didn't realize he lived in SD at one point. I knew the Chicago connection and that Pearl Jam was associated with the Seattle music scene...
clenom@reddit
For the AL-NL rivalries they just paired up teams that were close geographically. There were a few leftover teams so they get weirdo matchups. San Diego is closest to the LA teams, but they play each other. Seattle is closest to the Bay Area teams, but they play each other. So Seattle ends up playing San Diego.
SnarkyFool@reddit
A rivalry of cool stadiums, I guess
nasa258e@reddit
An interstate interleague rivalry is so weird. They really gotta stop trying to make that happen
iNoodl3s@reddit
Them baseball rivalries are no joke
justwatchingsports@reddit
Yeah, "derby" is a very English word, but "fuck that team down the road from me, they know what they did" is a universal sports thing.
Slight-Ad-6553@reddit
Derby It's actually from Danelagen
CaptainHunt@reddit
In Oregon, our two state universities used to have a football game to determine which one went to the conference finals. Now one of them switched leagues so they don’t have an official game anymore, but I think they still have an exhibition game against each other.
nonstopflux@reddit
Fuck the ducks.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Fuck fuck fuck a duck
Screw a kangaroo...
gtrocks555@reddit
In-city rivalries. Not just rivalries. We don’t have many derbies. The Subway Series with Yankees vs Mets it’s a derby.
furie1335@reddit
Yes but the police don’t get involved beyond traffic enforcement. Really only see police out at championships
alienliegh@reddit
Yes tho I don't hear much about them.
SheenPSU@reddit
The “Subway Series” is a famous one in NY between teams
Sad_Virus_7650@reddit
The only real derby that could be comparable to anything like European/Latin football would be the 49ers/Raiders when the Raiders were in Oakland.
Two close rivals that hate each other and there would be some violence at the games. Nothing as bad, but I do remember a few years where people were shot outside the stadium.
Otherwise, it's all very friendly. The main "derbies" would be rivalry week in college football, but it's all fun and games. If you wear a jersey to the game from the other team you'll get some comments and maybe a drunk idiot will harrass you a bit, but nothing crazy.
thenewwwguyreturns@reddit
in soccer/football, there’s a few that are very new/manufactured with the rise of the MLS. but some are natural/have existed for years—particularly the cascadia derby (Portland Timbers v Seattle Sounders), and both of those teams’ rivalries with the Vancouver Whitecaps.
There’s also quite a few notable big cross-city/cross-region rivalries in other sports though. knicks and nets; white sox and cubs; michigan and ohio state; bay vs. LA rivalries (lakers v warriors; earthquakes v galaxy)
Weightmonster@reddit
We have roller derby, the Kentucky Derby and derby hats…
Hopsblues@reddit
In city rivalries are kinda different, there's USC-UCLA, but most of the derby's don't have the roots to be super intense. But regional rivalries are massive in the states.
La_Rata_de_Pizza@reddit
Sounders and the salt of the earth that are the Timbers
Seahawks and the living for 90s nostalgia 49ers
Mariners and their own front office
tonic65@reddit
Thanksgiving weekend is Rivalry Week for college football. College football is the most popular sport in the States, more so than professional. Usually, it's games between schools in the same state such as Universirty of Alabama vs Auburn, or Georgia Tech vs Uni of Georgia, but one of the biggest rivalries is Ohio State Uni vs Uni of Michigan.
BeardadTampa@reddit
Not really, the like to pretend there is, but it’s not the same
ejfordphd@reddit
Please forgive me if someone else has mentioned this but I got pretty deep in the comments and did not see one of the most passionate rivalries in baseball: Red Sox Yankees. Although the Yankees have got the better of the Red Sox on numerous occasions, the thing that made the 2004 playoffs so sweet was not the World Series win that ended the Curse of the Bambino (the Red Sox had not won a title since they traded Babe Ruth in 1918) but the fact that to GET to the World Series, they had to beat the hated Yankees. The fact that the Sox came back from being three games down, winning FOUR GAMES IN A ROW to take the American League Championship Series was one of the many incredible things about that season.
P00PooKitty@reddit
There aren’t rivalry exhibitions in our sports, these come in pre, regular, and post season play. This is why in division rivalries are so prominent because they are teams which your teams play the most.
Now some big rivalries come via playoffs and in the case of football and baseball some are different conferences/leagues where you don’t see these teams often at all. The Celtics-Lakers rivalry is born out of countless face offs in the NBA Finals. Giants-Pats was a brief one based off two Superbowls. Both are inter-conference rivalries. Whereas Red-Sox Yankees or Celtics-6ers are in division.
ITrCool@reddit
NY vs Boston. MLB
Nuf said...
Ineffable7980x@reddit
Derbys aren't as common in US sports as rivalries are. Yankees-Red Sox or Eagles-Cowboys come immediately to mind. These teams aren't from the same area, but they have an intense and long history.
Word2DWise@reddit
We don’t call them Derby’s but yes, we do have rival teams and associated games.
ReverendMak@reddit
The original sporting use of the term derby is the race at Epsom Downs, named after the Earl of Derby.
The heir to the title of Earl of Derby traditionally styled “Lord Stanley”.
In the U.S. and Canada right now we are about to have the final round of games to determine who is the champion of the National Hockey League. Whoever wins is given the oldest existing trophy awarded to any pro sports team on the continent, the Stanley Cup.
The Cup is named after Lord Stanley, the heir to the Earl of Derby.
So yeah, we got derbies. (We also have roller, home run, Kentucky, soap box, pine wood, and crash-up derbies, but that’s beside the point of this comment…)
Ironically, the NHL is full of intense rivalries, but because of how the playoffs are currently organized it’s basically guaranteed that the Stanley Cup final round NEVER involves two bitter rivals.
Gau-Mail3286@reddit
I know of the Kentucky Derby Mint juleps are served.
Lower_Neck_1432@reddit
The only rivalry are the big hats.
BeautifulSundae6988@reddit
Are you talking about like, football hooligans?
Cause no. There's not really an equivalent in the US.
DefNotReaves@reddit
Plenty of hooliganism in the MLS sadly.
___daddy69___@reddit
I promise you nobody thinks of the MLS as hooligans lmao
DefNotReaves@reddit
Fighting for no reason and trashing things for no reason counts as hooliganism. Not every club has them but they definitely exist. Sadly both our clubs here in LA have bad apples who love to fight at every game.
___daddy69___@reddit
Hooliganism is more like stabbing people and starting riots
Lower_Neck_1432@reddit
And setting stadia on fire.
DefNotReaves@reddit
Plenty of hooligans who don’t commit murder in the UK my guy. Seems like you don’t understand what the term means.
G00dSh0tJans0n@reddit
Stephen Fry refers to this in America as a "local derby" whatever that means: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuPeGPwGKe8
Uhhh_what555476384@reddit
I love how he's going on about how it's gorgeous, big, expensive, over the top, and then gets completely caught off guard by the flyover.
Lower_Neck_1432@reddit
To think if his parents stayed in New Jersey when he was born, he could understand it as an American.
Lower_Neck_1432@reddit
Yeah, it would qualify, as it is between rival teams in the same region. The overture to "Merrily We Roll Along" by Sondheim is rather strange underscoring to it, though.
HellsTubularBells@reddit
Roll Eagle!
jub-jub-bird@reddit
A derby is a game between rivals in the same city so "local derby" is slightly redundant. A game between in-state rivals like Auburn and Alabama absolutely qualifies.
Lower_Neck_1432@reddit
Yes, mainly amongst College Football, and lower-league soccer matches.
Ganymede25@reddit
I saw a brawl at a baseball game when I was in Boston watching the Red Sox. The people in the bleachers hated the New York Yankees so much that they all got drunk, started chanting "Yankees Suck!" and getting into fights. The police came in and kicked everybody out of that section. The Boston Red Sox weren't even playing the New York Yankees that day. It is a bit rivalry though, at least for Boston.
Big-Jeweler2538@reddit
Where I live we have Seattle vs Portland for soccer and the “Apple Cup” for college football.
GhostOfJamesStrang@reddit
Yes, but we are more civilized about it.
sto_brohammed@reddit
In my town they were shooting fireworks at people and then got tear gassed when they shot them at cops. Always great catching a whiff of tear gas in your livingroom because people can't behave even halfway civilized. Europeans love to talk about Americans being violent but there's a lot more low level violence and intimidation in Europe than there is in the States.
theguineapigssong@reddit
People are less likely to be armed in Europe so the stakes of violence tend to be lower.
Ok_Bell_44@reddit
I’ve noticed that people tend to do less FA when there is a decent likelihood of FO
theguineapigssong@reddit
An armed society is a polite society.
lendmeflight@reddit
You mean like when Philly fans destroy the city when their team wins the Super Bowl?
GhostOfJamesStrang@reddit
They didn't destroy the city. Lol.
What a load of hyperbole.
wormbreath@reddit
It’s always the entire city too. Not a home or car was left untouched! Like it was saint Lo.
GhostOfJamesStrang@reddit
To be fair, if the Lions ever win the Superbowl....we won't destroy the whole city.
The 1980s already did that.
^^^I ^^^love ^^^Detroit ^^^and ^^^the ^^^city ^^^is ^^^getting ^^^better ^^^every ^^^day ^^^its ^^^just ^^^a ^^^joke.
wormbreath@reddit
Badum tiss 🥁
I’m a bronco fan (god bless Bo nix) and our last Super Bowl circa a decade ago me and my husband high fived at least 17 times. It was pretty crazy.
lendmeflight@reddit
They tore down the lamp posts and ripped up signs but that’s ok. Just boys fun.
fiftiethcow@reddit
Thats not even close to what you originally said
GhostOfJamesStrang@reddit
This is what you said. Its laughable.
BeigePhilip@reddit
They don’t destroy the city. Philly just looks like that all the time.
Wafkak@reddit
Football famous often took the place of preexisting communities. Some clubs are affiliated with a certain religious or regional identity.
And these groups were already fighting and killing eachother before the sport came by.
reddock4490@reddit
Lmao, “more civilized”, my foot. People absolutely have been stabbed after the iron bow more than once. They had it in a neutral third city for decades because it was too dangerous for away team fans, and someone literally poisoned and killed 200 year old oak trees in Auburn because he was salty about a loss
BoukenGreen@reddit
Wasn’t played in a 3rd city because of it. Was played at Legion Field in Birmingham because it was the biggest stadium in the state at that time. Plus Alabama played all their big home games at Legion Field until the 90’s
Hehateme123@reddit
I can’t believe you are saying this with a straight face. I just googled “Super Bowl celebration deaths” and there are literally fatalities in the United States every year. Not to mention riots, arson. Such a typical clueless American.
PinchePendejo2@reddit
r/AmericaBad
GhostOfJamesStrang@reddit
No there isn't.
I am clearly not the clueless one.
TrillyMike@reddit
Wasn’t even a derby, so this technically not relevant. But let’s not act like Philly ain’t do the same shit when they won the superbowl in February…
GhostOfJamesStrang@reddit
Nobody died. Nobody was threatening uninvolved women passing through.
They got rowdy. Not violent.
BigDamBeavers@reddit
In America Derbys are either horse races or vehicles driving around a muddy track trying to hit one another advantageously.
But we do have some brawls over sporting events.
jedwardlay@reddit
I think in baseball anyway they’re called subway series.
Or maybe that’s just New York. Because of the subways there.
lamppb13@reddit
We'd call it a cross-town rivalry game.
MyUsername2459@reddit
We absolutely have big games around rivalries.
The big local sports team where I live is University of Kentucky Basketball. . .and their match with cross-state rival University of Louisville is always a big game.
We don't call them a "Derby" though, if you say "Derby" people will usually think of the Kentucky Derby horse race, or maybe a Demolition Derby motorsports event.
RandomRageNet@reddit
This is roller derby erasure and I will not stand for it.
___daddy69___@reddit
None of those that you mentioned are a “derby”, an example of a derby would be Mets vs Yankees or Lakers vs Clippers
johnsonjohnson83@reddit
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/derby
Looks like almost everything they mentioned fits the definition of a derby.
___daddy69___@reddit
A derby is two teams in the same city
johnsonjohnson83@reddit
I'm going to go ahead and assume you just didn't read the dictionary link I provided, where that is the THIRD definition of "derby" and is specifically noted to be a British usage.
___daddy69___@reddit
I think we have very different definitions of “local”
JimothySoup@reddit
I don't think you understand how dictionaries work. There are four separate definitions.
___daddy69___@reddit
We’re specifically talking about one of them though
JimothySoup@reddit
No we're not
___daddy69___@reddit
Yes, we are, the derby OP is referring to is a game (typically soccer) between two teams in the same city
JimothySoup@reddit
We don't call them a "Derby" though, if you say "Derby" people will usually think of the Kentucky Derby horse race, or maybe a Demolition Derby motorsports event. (Edit: Or a special event in Baseball around hitting as many home runs as possible)
This is what you initially replied to.
Imateepeeimawigwam@reddit
The Holy War. I don't even really like football, but when BYU (Brigham Young University) plays UofU (University of Utah) in football in Utah, its a big deal (as far as pretty tame Utah sports fans get). It's definitely a rivalry in Utah, but is pretty tame.
XConejoMaloX@reddit
Absolutely, rivalries will always exist in sports
Ehh_WhatNow@reddit
For soccer/football, yes they exist in MLS. LAFC vs LA Galaxy is quite big. New York City FC vs New York Red Bull also happens but it’s less popular I think
iftair@reddit
Timbers vs Sounders
Ehh_WhatNow@reddit
Not the same city. Not even the same state. So not a Derby
iftair@reddit
Might as well take out NYCFC vs NYRB then as NYRB play in New Jersey....
Ehh_WhatNow@reddit
The Giants and Jets also play in New Jersey
Vyckerz@reddit
I don’t think it’s exactly the same thing but we do have rivalry games
Part of the thing is we really don’t have too many circumstances where you would have two pro teams in the same city like his common in Europe.
Los Angeles and San Francisco, California New York City, New York Chicago, Illinois
I think those might be the only US cities that have had pro teams in the same sport.
Like I grew up in Boston. Closest thing we have are regional or historical rivalries.
Boston Red Sox versus the New York Yankees is a huge long-standing MLB rivalry. I guess you could say it’s a north east regional rivalry
Also the Boston Bruins versus the Montréal Canadiens , has a lot of history. Not really regional since the teams are in two different countries but they’re both East Coast teams and were “original six” NHL teams.
Ryan1869@reddit
The professional teams are really spread out and you don't see those rivalries in like NY, LA or Chicago as much because they're usually in different divisions. Now I'd say MLS is trying with things like El Trafico, but still teams are really spread out. College is probably the closest with games like Michigan-Ohio St, Texas-Texas A&M, Alabama-Auburn, USC-UCLA.
Still, they're just normal games, in the US it's not really a worry to wear the "wrong" jersey to a stadium. Its pretty common, even in rivalry games, for mixed fans sitting together
Luka_Dunks_on_Bums@reddit
We have rivalries but nowhere on the level of police are needed the same way it is needed for futbal matches
ToXiC_Games@reddit
Oh yeah, although they’re called rivalry games. If you’re curious, there’s plenty of documentaries on the historic NHL rivalry between the Colorado Avalanche and Detroit Red Wings. Highly recommend.
Seniorsheepy@reddit
Iowa Minnesota had an interesting beginning. The rivalry started because of the treatment of an African American player on the Iowa football team at the hands of the Minnesota football team. Iowa fans didn’t take too kindly to that. This is partly because 12 years earlier Minnesotas football team was responsible for the death of jack trice Iowa States first African American player. To calm down tensions ahead of the next meeting between Iowa and Minnesota the respective governors made a bet to distract the fans. Minnesota won and Floyd of rosedale was given to Minnesotas governor.
IHSV1855@reddit
Yes. Probably the most notable one is the Subway Series between the Yankees and Mets.
We are civilized about sports fandom, though. Even one fight between two people at a sports game is newsworthy and universally condemned.
Hegemonic_Smegma@reddit
We have a handful, but the most heated and consistently important such game is North Carolina vs. Duke in college basketball. The schools have a history of success, and their home courts are only about 9 miles apart.
hupholland420@reddit
College sports in general are the most analogous to European football.
TheSniper_TF2@reddit
If you're looking for an actual Derby, as in two teams in the same city that play each other, the Chattanooga Derby between Red Wolves and Chattanooga FC has a lot of animosity around it. They finally played in the US Open Cup a few months ago and there were some fights.
For American Football, there's a division II rivalry in Arkansas called the Battle of the Ravine. It's between two colleges that are across the street from each other. The away side just uses their locker room at their own stadium and walks across the street for games.
Usuf3690@reddit
I guess to some extent we do, especially if one expands the concept beyond the same city to include the same state. In either case though, you'll often find sports where a city or state has multiple teams, usually the teams are in opposite conferences so they may meet less frequently, or not at all unless they both end up in a championship game. This is especially true in American football, and in baseball where it's more likely to have cities with multiple MLB teams, interleague play didn't really become a thing until 1997.
iftair@reddit
We call those rivalries here. Some of the famous ones in professional sports are Mets/Yankees, Knicks/Celtics, Ravens/Steelers, Eagles/Cowboys. Some are created due to circumstances such as Grizzles vs Clippers, Spurs, OKC or Trae Young vs Knicks fans. Though, they do not feel as passionate as soccer rivalries outside the US. Our close equivalent would be college sports. I know Ohio State vs UMich, UCLA vs USC, Alabama vs Auburn, Clemson vs South Carolina, Duke vs UNC are huge and gets really intense.
unluckie-13@reddit
Ohio State vs Michigan college football game. Alabama vs auburn. Detroit red wings vs Colorado avalanche. New York Yankees vs Boston red Sox, I would assume mets and Yankees is a good one.
WWDB@reddit
Several in college basketball:
Cincinnati v Xavier “The Holy War” between St Joseph’s and Villanova
WWDB@reddit
Not in any of the major 4 sports. There’s two LA NBA teams and two New York NBA teams but they play each other so often they aren’t THAT special.
Same with the NFL there’s two LA teams and two NY teams but they aren’t even in the same conference. Same with the 2 LA MLB teams and the two Chicago teams: they play in separate leagues
As for Yankees and Mets, that might be the closer to a true derby because they are true rivals and New York is a BIG baseball town.
In the NHL there are 3 NYC teams and 2 LA teams but again just like the NBA they face each other multiple times a year.
There is one in MLS: LAFC-LA Galaxy “EL Traffico”
CheeksMcGillicuddy@reddit
Like horse racing at a soccer game?
therlwl@reddit
I mean not high risk but it will be hard to find two schools that hate each other more than Duke and north carolina, eight miles a part.
doyouevenoperatebrah@reddit
Yea, but we don’t call it that.
It’s one of the few things Europeans are more violent about than Americans
DadooDragoon@reddit
I was super confused.
Like, yes, we have horse races sometimes.
PandaPuncherr@reddit
Yes, but not pro, really. There are great rivalries in the pros, like Celtic v Lakers. Most aren't derbys. None really are.
College sports is the answer. College athletics are big in the states. Most inter state rivalries are huge and way bigger than the pros.
jub-jub-bird@reddit
Historically the old Yankees/Dodgers and now Yankees/Mets "Subway Series" and "Crosstown classic" between the Chicago Cups and Chicago White Sox both qualify as would a Giants/Jets game.
tennisdrums@reddit
The thing is that these rivalries tend to be pretty lukewarm compared to the rivalries they have with people in their division. A Yankees/Mets game doesn't hold a candle to a Yankees/Red Sox game, and even that often pales in comparison to how rough certain European derbies historically get.
Most-Silver-4365@reddit
Your first example is so wrong. The Boston (Celtics) are a basketball team and the New York (Rangers) are a hockey team, no way there could be a derby. ;)
mr09e@reddit
In American soccer there are two TRUE derbies: NYCFC vs Red Bull New York, and LAFC vs LA Galaxy. The other "derbies" are more state or regionally oriented like Cascadia Cup, Florida Cup, and Hell is Real
0le_Hickory@reddit
Typically there aren’t a lot of cross city rivalries because our pro sports leagues were trying to capture markets when the teams were created. There are a few where the cities were big enough to keep multiple teams but in more leagues the teams are placed in opposite leagues/conferences historically so Jets-Giants or White Sox - Cubs aren’t super big deals as the games aren’t exactly big divisional rivals so the games are lower stakes. In our college sports we have several instate rivalries that are big deals but the only cross town rivalry that jumps out to me is UCLA and USC. In the pro leagues where the same city team is in the same conference one has held such an upper hand that I don’t think of them as particularly heated (Clippers-Lakers) also American cities are huge so some of the same city teams aren’t really all that same city on the European sense at least, Angels-Dodgers/Kings-Ducks or Rangers-Islanders. So really no.
Danktizzle@reddit
“College” sports used to have a lot more regional rivalries. Then they broke up the conferences and put bigger, wealthier clubs- I mean schools- in conferences for better tv numbers. Of course they didn’t share that money with the employees- I mean students- everyone tuned in to watch.
invinciblewalnut@reddit
There are games with increased police presence for sure, but more due to the amount of people at rivalry games and less due to sports hooliganism.
Sports in the US are treated more like family events (for the most part), and with exceptions, people acting crazy and killing/harming fans of rival teams is strongly looked down upon.
stevenmacarthur@reddit
Yes, American sports -at all levels- has passionate rivalries: From Packers-Bears (NFL) to Badgers-Gophers (D1 CFB) to Rufus King-Riverside (Milwaukee City Conference HSFB) that fans get pumped for. Whether those games mean anything to the rest of their league/sport in a given season, it means everything to the teams involved.
Op, to your second question: it always astounds me when Europeans talk about fan violence at sports events so casually; in the USA and Canada, it just isn't done. Sure there are individual incidents, but they usually involve some asshole getting drunk and deciding s/he has to flex on some van from the visiting team...but the expectation of a clash en masse between the two fan bases? I'm 58, and I can't say I've heard of this happening in my lifetime.
We save our violence for politics and road rage.
Acceptable-Remove792@reddit
I'm from Kentucky and extremely confused about your use of the word derby.
The12th_secret_spice@reddit
Dodger fans almost beat giants fan, Brian Stow, to death just because he’s a fan.
So yeah, we have them, we just don’t call them derbies
UnabashedHonesty@reddit
Derby = Rivalry? 🤷
Yeah. We have those.
___daddy69___@reddit
Two teams in same citt
UnabashedHonesty@reddit
Same city? We really don’t have that. For one, there are very few cities with two teams. And in the two cities that I can think of, the teams aren’t rivals.
No darbies, mate! 😭
MeteorMann@reddit
There's a notable derby in Kentucky, I can never remember what it's called....
lawyerjsd@reddit
Took me a moment to figure out what you were referring to, but we definitely have "derbies." When I was just out of college, I worked for a security company that staffed American football games. One of the games I worked security for was a game between what was then the San Diego Chargers and the Oakland Raiders. The Raiders had just moved back to Oakland after having been in Los Angeles for several years and building a significant fanbase in the Inland Empire. A lot of those fans drove down from the Inland Empire (about 2-3 hours) to see the game.
It. Was. Bedlam. With the exception of my section (I was stationed in the expensive seats because I wasn't going to intimidate anyone), the entire stadium was locked in a nonstop brawl for the entire game. People were chucking stuff from the upper sections to the lower sections, and a bunch of guys jumped a security guard and stole his radio. They were taunting the company over the radio, while the head guy on duty was promising to find them and get them. Later on, I learned several people got stabbed.
After that incident, the security protocols for Charger-Raider games were significantly modified to prevent the same level of crazy, and with both teams having left their homebases, I'm not sure the fans are quite that crazy now.
Maximum-Seaweed-1239@reddit
College sports are the ones that have the most intense rivalries. There’s so much history behind them and the stands are filled with young drunk college students. I’d say in general though there’s more emphasis on sports being family friendly in the US. They’ve put in a shit ton of effort to make it that way, hasn’t worked as well for Philadelphia though. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems to me that fights between football fans in the UK are part of the culture and tradition. Like guys intentionally go out to be hooligans! It just seems so much more macho then what you’d see in a US stadium.
abcdefghijkistan@reddit
Most derbies in Europe/South America result from teams who share a city, or in some cases, even the same stadiu.
However, most Major sports in the US don’t have multiple teams in a single city and typically, those that do (Chicago/NYC in baseball, LA/NYC in football) are in different divisions/leagues/conferences so their games have minimal standings/playoff implications. So most US rivalries are between teams in different cities vs. local derbies.
No-Possibility5556@reddit
The violence aspect is much fewer and further between but still does rear its head, but more niche to certain cities/teams/rivalries. The Linc in Philly has a very bad reputation of being hostile to anyone not in Eagles’ colors, Dodgers-Giants have a century old rivalry and a Giants supported was beaten to near death at Dodgers stadium (not isolated but Brian Stow was a huge story), Boston is notorious for racist heckles but don’t hear too much about fighting fan to fan, etc.
MeTieDoughtyWalker@reddit
I know what they are but have never fully understood what a derby was. Is it just basically a rivalry matchup? I’ve only ever seen it related to PL but I thought it just meant a big game. Guess it is, in a sense, but that Liverpool vs Everton seems pretty lopsided at the moment.
Hyde1505@reddit (OP)
No, for example Real Madrid vs Barcelona is a rivalry, but not a derby. A derby is between two local rivals who are in the same city or same region. But also not every situation between local clubs are considered derbies. It needs intense rivalry between the fanbases and a lot of tradition to be considered a derby.
For example, here in Germany, the football clubs VFL Wolfsburg, Hannover 96 and Eintracht Braunschweig are all in the same region. But only Hannover vs Braunschweig is really considered a derby…Wolfsburg only plays in the Bundesliga since the late 90s, so it doesn’t really have a traditional rivalry between the fanbases, while Hannover vs Braunschweig tracks back to the 1950s and earlier.
Derplord4000@reddit
This would be considered wild over here, Eagles fans and Cowboys fans just want to see their team beat the other team.
TheMainEffort@reddit
Im not super well versed in it, but a lot of these clubs trace their origins to political activism as well. I’ll occasionally see photos of the supporters and clubs making highly charged political statements. I’m not sure there’s anything quite like that in the US outside the occasional player protest.
Popular-Local8354@reddit
There isn’t.
You can’t tell what team someone roots for based off their ethnicity, religion, or voting pattern like you can in Europe.
TheMainEffort@reddit
Being a Green Bay packers fan I do love how many of their clubs have a public ownership structure ;)
Popular-Local8354@reddit
Yeah the best sports league would be European ownership structure and American drafting/salary cap and rivalries.
FelisCantabrigiensis@reddit
A lot of these very strong rivalries have cultural backgrounds behind them, and the sport is a proxy for a wider cultural clash.
For example Celtic v Rangers in Glasgow is a proxy for cultural differences between culturally Catholic people (often with Irish ancestry) and culturally Protestant people. The religion has little to do with it now either, it's mainly a cultural clash perpetuated... for the sake of having one, I suppose, or a long-running vendetta.
Over in Northern Ireland, where a lot of that Irish ancestry in Glasgow came from, Celtic support is also a rallying-point for Catholic people there as well, and it's part of the wider culture conflict there.
TywinDeVillena@reddit
A derby would be a regional or local rivalry: so, Lakers v Celtics would not be a derby, but Lakers vs Golden State would be a Californian derby. In soccer in the US a good example of a local derby, if there was a strong rivalry, would be LAFC vs LA Galaxy
Maximum_Pound_5633@reddit
Do you mean rivalries? Like the Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees?
rawbface@reddit
We have rivalry games, but they don't cause crime and assault to take place. That's not something you should be proud of.
Popular-Local8354@reddit
“Americans lack passion in sports! True sports fans need to be segregated by riot police!”
-Europeans
AwfulGoingToHell@reddit
Governors Bowl (every 4 years), Iron Bowl, Battle for the Golden Boot, Sunflower Showdown
MoronLaoShi@reddit
Rivalry games and trophies
coldequation@reddit
I think college rivalries are a bigger deal than professional rivalries in American sports.
TheSupportMain112@reddit
NFL has the Battle of Ohio between the Browns and the Bengals twice a year annually
TheSupportMain112@reddit
We got the HELL IS REAL game home in Ohio. Cinci and CBus play.
LengthTop4218@reddit
Back when the A's were still in Oakland, we had "Bay Bridge Series" between the Giants in San Francisco and the A's in Oakland.
They once faced off for a world series. That day, we had the 1989 Earthquake LOL
SneakySalamder6@reddit
You may as well be speaking Klingon to me with all that
SereneDreams03@reddit
Most people seem to be mentioning American football rivalries, but the MLS has some big derby games as well. For example El Traffico, Hell is real, and the Texas derby.
You don't see as many big fights as in Europe, but I go to the Timbers vs. Sounders game in Portland every year where they battle it out for the Cascadia Cup and the away fans do have a police escort to the stadium, use a separate entrance and sections with security personnel to keep us away from home fans. There was a drunk Portland fan who tried to fight like 20 of us last month for a game when we were marching to the stadium, and he was "held back" by police. It was pretty funny.
Massnative@reddit
Iĺl speak for my hometown, Boston
Baseball : Boston Red Sox v. NY Yankees
Hockey: Boston Bruins v. Montreal Canadians (not as fierce as it used to be.)
Basketball : Boston Celtics v. LA Lakers
American Football : New England Patriots v. NY Jets
Soccer/Association Football: New England Revs v. I don't know????
___daddy69___@reddit
None of these are derbies
xEternal408x@reddit
You say here in Europe and also say we in Latin America. Which one is it? Eu or South America?
___daddy69___@reddit
both?
DrBlankslate@reddit
What is a derby? You need to define the term. My only knowledge of that term is a hat.
Real-Psychology-4261@reddit
What do you mean by derby? Rivalry games? Yes. They happen all the time. There's always security at these events, but few issues with fights breaking out.
___daddy69___@reddit
Specifically a game between two teams in the same city
elqueco14@reddit
They're called rivalries and yes fans of every sports teams have 2-3 other teams in particular they typically hate with a little extra spice
___daddy69___@reddit
You’re misunderstanding what a derby is
Stay_Beautiful_@reddit
Not quite the same, a derby is a specific type of rivalry. A derby is two teams from the same city or area, like Manchester City vs Manchester United, AC Milan vs Inter Milan, or Tottenham Hotspur vs Arsenal.
The closest example I can think of would be like Knicks vs Nets
ArcadiaNoakes@reddit
Once I read what a derby is, I would say by your definition of being local, than that can only happen (strictly speaking) in high school and college sports in more populated areas of the USA.
There are a few pro teams where there are two teams in the same city, but generally (with the NBA's Lakers and Clippers, who are both in Los Angeles and in the same division being a very notable exception) the only pro teams in the same city or region in other sports is baseball. And even in those cases, the teams are not in the same conference/league, so don't play each other as regularly as they would if they were division rivals. (currently 3 cities have two baseball teams: Chicago, NYC, and the greater Los Angeles area, and to some extent the KC Royals and the St Louis Cardinals are geographically close enough. The SF Bay area of California lost the A's to Las Vegas, but they still qualify as 'regional' as they are currently playing in Sacramento until they move to Las Vegas in 2028).
High school sports are 'local' because they can't afford to travel as far (there are exceptions, and 'local' means something different in more rural areas of the country).
Smaller college sports are regional as well.
Large/top division NCAA sports used to be much more well defined as regional, but the last 20 years have brought tremendous change to that former set up, and that's not really the case anymore.
But at each of the levels, a more intense rivalary can occur, but in most cases close proximity isn't usually a the main factor.
CompetitiveSleeping@reddit
NY Rangers & NY Islanders, yo.
Though people sometimes forget NY Islanders exist :)
___daddy69___@reddit
Technically the Islanders are in Long Island
ArcadiaNoakes@reddit
Fair enough. I did forget
Yossarian216@reddit
The Royals and Cardinals are like 250 miles apart, that’s not geographically close.
ArcadiaNoakes@reddit
Also not in the same leagues. But when you consider that a lot of teams in US sports don't have any other team even that close (say...the teams in AFC West in the NFL), that's why I mentioned the Royals and Cards as being fairly close by way of comparison to some other US sports teams.
Yossarian216@reddit
Chicago/Milwaukee, Chicago/Indianapolis, Indianapolis/Cincinnati, Detroit/Cleveland, Cleveland/Pittsburgh, DC/Baltimore/Philly, Philly/NYC, Buffalo/Toronto, Portland/Seattle, and LA/San Diego are all city combos with pro sports teams that are meaningfully closer to each other than KC/St Louis. And in the same 250 mile distance range there are some combos that include actual rivalries, like Chicago/St Louis, Chicago/Detroit, Cleveland/Cincinnati, and NYC/Boston. You chose a very bad example.
ArcadiaNoakes@reddit
I lived in Germany and have family in Antwerp, I'm presuming that 'local' for the OP means 'crosstown' and "in the same league or divison' and have home/away matchup every year as in most of the big cities in Europe. You can usually walk to take local transit
While US sports all have some teams in the same division, there there are no teams that I am aware of outside of the Clippers/Lakers and Nets/Knicks who are local to each other that extent, and play in the same division or play each other every year. The White Sox and Cubs, Yankees and Mets, and the Dodgers and Angels aren't in the same division, although now with interleague play they do play each other every season. But in the NFL the Chargers and Rams don't.
Also, I didn't say that 'no teams have rivals that close', I said 'a lot of teams in US sports' don't have a local rival. Chicago - Detroit or NYC-Boston are not local to the extent that the multiple teams in London or Koln or Graz or Prague are, which I believe is the OP's context.
Yossarian216@reddit
Ok, but none of that addresses that the example you chose was particularly bad. All the places I mentioned are closer, usually with direct train service between the cities, and many of them do have genuine rivalries in at least one if not multiple sports, while KC and St Louis have only one sport in common, baseball, and in that sport they also only have interleague play like the teams that actually do share a city. There was literally no reason to mention them at all, they are in no way an example of what’s being asked.
McGeeze@reddit
"The only pro teams in the same city or region in other sports is baseball"
The Chargers and the Rams would like a word
ArcadiaNoakes@reddit
Yes, that happened while I lived outside of the US. I just realized my mistake. Sorry. I will edit it.
Tom_Tildrum@reddit
The NY Giants and NY Jets share the same stadium, but of course they only play each other every four years or so.
ArcadiaNoakes@reddit
Right, so not a 'derby' as the OP described. Even in baseball going to interleague play, the what they do is not like what the OP describes when two teams in the same city play a series. Its fun, but not the same vibe.
DefNotReaves@reddit
LAFC & LA Galaxy, Austin FC & Houston Dynamo, Inter Miami & Orlando SC, FC Cincinnati & Columbus Crew.
Gatsby1923@reddit
We have strong sports rivalries like Redsox and Yankees or Bruins vs Canadians.
fluffy_flamingo@reddit
OP, this is unrelated to what you're actually asking, but for some Americans, the term derby would imply a roller derby, which is sort of like rugby on roller skates (that's not quite accurate, but it should conjure a close enough image). It's nowhere as popular as the football/basketball/etc, but most large cities and many medium cities have teams that play in regional leagues. Tickets are usually cheap (and so is the beer). It's a game that's been around for decades, and it's one of the few sports where women's leagues are the focus.
Depending on the context, a derby could also refer to a destruction derby, a soapbox derby or the Kentucky derby.
MoronLaoShi@reddit
So in the US, college and university are synonymous and interchangeable with each other.
College football has the closest thing to derbies (or at least did/ will have had before the television money ruined the sport).
So basically outside of baseball, university sports predate professional sports in the US. College football and to a lesser extent college basketball are the most important and the ones that make enough revenue to basically pay for the other sports in athletic department. So it has always been a business but the rules were based on amateurism until recent court rulings allowed the student players to earn money off their image licensing. Before those rulings, players could not be paid, but there were always shady school fundraisers called boosters that would secretly pay student athletes to play for their favorite universities.
So teams from one university would play teams from another local university. The universities with larger student enrollment basically formed conferences to compete with one another, and the mid sized universities and smaller universities did the same. It was basically large regional land grant universities playing nearby land grant universities, with occasional large private (which usually meant religious about a century ago but they mostly became secular over time) universities as well.
Players and students from the various universities grew up and played high school football together or against the players from the other local universities. There was a lot of joking and good natured pranks as a result. Students would steal trophies, statues, mascots, or other symbols of their rival schools. These would become the spoils for the winning team. Some of these trophies have names that reflect the secular/ religious, class, American Civil War divisions of the local community. Some games are still called the Civil War, the Border War, the Holy War, etc.
Many of these trophies predate any kind of college championship. So your primary goal would be to beat your rival, and then win your conference title if your team was any good. If your team had a crap season, you could salvage it by beating your rivalry game opponent and spoiling their chance of a conference title.
Eventually the conference champion of the Pacific Conference agreed to play the champion of the Big 10 conference in what was called the Rose Bowl. Then teams wanted to win enough to earn a spot in a postseason bowl game. So again if your rival could beat you in the last game of the season to upset your bowl bid, then that would make their season. During the bowl era, one loss was often enough to cost you a shot at a bowl game or a shot at a conference or national title.
The whole thing was based on playing against the same players who you played with or against in high school. It was all regional. Then the television money kept growing, and teams would leave their conference in the hopes of earning more television revenue in a different conference, but losing their centuries old rivalries in the process. Several conferences collapsed because they couldn’t stop their members from getting a bigger paycheck elsewhere. The rival games are still around for now, but many have disappeared with conference realignment.
Derplord4000@reddit
Because of how spread out teams are in the states and the way they are organized in their respective leagues, there's very few rivalries in professional sports that would fit the derby description. They're a bit more common in college sports, but still quite rare. Off the top of my head, I can think of USC vs UCLA, Duke vs North Carolina, Boston College vs Boston University, and perhaps California(UC Berkeley) vs Stanford. BYU and Utah are also only about 50 miles(80 km) apart, an hour drive, does that count as a derby? Also, none of these rivalries will usually get fierce to the point of police intervention being necessary, does that discount all of these as derbies?
Uhhh_what555476384@reddit
I would guess any of the "rivalry week" games would be considered Derbies in the British sense.
And some of the cross border rivalries like Oregon - Washington or Michigan - OSU.
DanielSong39@reddit
Kentucky Derby is the biggest horse race of the year
Uhhh_what555476384@reddit
We have rivalries but we don't have the history of fan violence that the soccer ⚽/football community does.
Here is Steven Fry's visit to the University of Auburn (Auburn, Alabama) hosting the University of Alabama in 🏈, football.
https://youtu.be/FuPeGPwGKe8?feature=shared
Must watch the to very end to get the whole effect.
Mata187@reddit
You won’t find the European Derby atmosphere in US sports. Although there are lots of heated rivalries in all leagues (pro and college), none to the extent of where police escorts or fan separation is warranted. In fact, you can be a rival supporter, wearing your kit, and still walk up to the stadium box office and buy a ticket anywhere in the stadium (or simply ticketmaster app) for that match/game if it’s not sold out.
American don’t have the same passion and intensity as Europeans do to their local teams. We see it as just a game/match. We’ll talk shit to the other teams, but when the game/match is over, it’s over. The very few that take things very serious and anything more than a game/match will be seen as “there’s something wrong with him,” by others in the stadium or bar/pub.
Sure we do have some “high risk” matches/games (Eagles vs Raiders or OK vs OK St) where extra police patrols might be needed, but you won’t see full riot gear cops or dry zones leading to the stadium.
If you see fighting in the stands, chances are alcohol is involved. Unlike in Europe, you can drink alcohol in the stands while watching a match.
Aside from club teams, it’ll be the USA vs Mexico soccer match that’s really intense. Again, not to the extent of Europe though. While I’ve never attended such a match (yet), there is again no separation of supporters, no police escorts, and alcohol served throughout the entirety of the match (biggest problem). Last video I saw from a USA vs Mexico match, there were fights in the stands but it was Mexico supporters fighting each other.
Ok_Stop7366@reddit
We have rivalries, but those matches don’t typically devolve into violence.
We, as a nation, are above violence in sports fandom, as Americans we prefer to keep our violence contained to elementary schools.
Xavier1235@reddit
Yes, in some pro sports leagues that have teams in big cities like NYC or LA have multiple teams. But they don’t always play every season like they might in PL. so yes but it’s not as institutional at the pro level. I know for college football when the sport was smaller and more regional there were rivalries that formed between schools that stay to the day. So a team might play in a different conference or something these days but the schools will still play regardless.
THELEGENDARYZWARRIOR@reddit
A little bit, the San Francisco 49ers and the Oakland Raiders were about 40 miles away from each other’s stadiums so the two teams were always very much rivals for control over the “Bay Area”. raiders fans are like 80% convicts so to no ones surprise, there was a stabbing in the bathroom during one of their last games over the Bay Area (the Raiders moved to Vegas and abandoned their fans)
dajadf@reddit
Why do you guys pronounce it like darby not derby
DivaJanelle@reddit
So our equivalent would be “crosstown classic” of White Sox v Cubs or “subway series” of Yankees v Mets in MLB.
Both of these matchups are relatively recent tho. In both cities one team is American League and the other is National League. Until 1997 AL and NL teams only ever met in the World Series.
I feel like there is extra security on the L during the crosstown series but nothing ever that serious happens
jub-jub-bird@reddit
Everyone else seems to be missing the cross town aspect of your question. The most famous one inin professional sports historically is probably the old "Subway Series" between the New York Yankees and Brooklyn Dodgers and now the more recent version between New York Yankees and New York Mets.
Other crosstown rivalries have been the "Crosstown Classics" between the Chicago White Sox vs. Chicago Cubs, the "Freeway Series" between the Los Angeles Angels vs. Los Angeles Dodgers.
This is a TON of these in college football with tons of long-standing cross town and regional rivalries where the game often have colorful names and their own trophies. Too many to mention but the "Iron Bowl" between University of Alabama and Auburn University is probably one of the most well known.
Practical-Put3602@reddit
Yes, but unlike you assholes we don't riot in the streets setting fires, flipping over cars y'all would get shot either by police or civilians
Quenzayne@reddit
We have them but they’re nowhere on the level of Latin American or European rivalries.
New York Yankees vs. Boston Red Sox in baseball.
Chicago Bears vs. Green Bay Packers in football.
Alabama vs. Auburn in college football.
LAFC vs. LA Galaxy in soccer. (Instead of el clásico, this match is called el tráfico in honor of the freeway travel required by fans lol)
Boston Celtics vs. Los Angeles Lakers in basketball.
Boston Bruins vs. Montreal Canadiens in hockey.
All of those fixtures are incredibly tame though compared to what you’d see in Europe or Latin America though on a derby day. There’s nothing even close to that level of fandom in America.
Hotwheels303@reddit
I think these would just be rivalries. To be a “derby” by what OP is talking about they would need to be big rivalries but also within the same city or close to each other. Like if the Mets and the Yankees had as big a rivalry as Yankees Red Sox
mikeumd98@reddit
NFL…Ravens vs Steelers. Absolutely exists.
Comfortable-Dish1236@reddit
They could both be 0-12 and they’d play like it was for a division championship.
shabamon@reddit
The US is so spread out that most proximity rivalries are in-state or neighboring states. Honestly the lower in division and stature, the more likely you are to find the equivalent to a derby as you describe it. I can't honestly say they exist in pro sports. There are a lot of these in college sports as has been mentioned. College basketball is more likely to have local/city rivalries as most colleges have a basketball team, but not everyone has football. UNC-Duke is the best rivalry in college basketball and the two schools arge less than 10 miles apart. I'm in Cincinnati and the annual rivalry game between the two local schools, Cincinnati and Xavier, is a huge deal. Another intense one in my state is Akron and Kent State, two programs that are lower in status than the above two but they are in the same municipal region, same conference, and they play twice a year - one game in each school's gym. Always a sellout and extra energy in the building.
I would think that high school sports have the closest match to a European derby at least in spirit. My local high school has three rivals that are each within a ten minute drive. High school football stadiums usually have a home side and a visitor side but anyone can go wherever they want. High school sports are cheap too, so really as long as you're in a densely populated area, a game can have a balanced mix between the two fan bases. I've seen far "incidents" between fans at high school sports than I have seen at college and pro sports.
iuabv@reddit
There are professional sports teams that play in the same city. For example, NYC has two football teams, two basketball teams etc. The LA area has two baseball teams - the Angels and the Dodgers.
However, it's not really taken that seriously. Most fanbases hate whatever their designated rival is and whoever beat their team recently but they don't hate their nearest team extra hard. They're more like cousins than enemies.
Games where it's two local teams like LA vs. LA or two relatively nearby teams like San Francisco vs. LA are more exciting because there's a solid number of fans of each team but it's not nasty.
The only professional sport where I've seen fans be segregated out like that is US soccer.
In college sports, it's more common to be segmented by team and there are definitely more fierce local rivalries but it still isn't a police matter and would be very much considered a fun family day out.
SecretlySome1Famous@reddit
People get killed and trees get poisoned over The Iron Bowl.
That’s almost certainly the most intense rivalry in the US.
Alabama and Auburn consistently launch spy-thriller-like espionage acts against each other, their boosters, and alumni with the purpose of bringing down the other’s empire.
waltzthrees@reddit
A derby is a horse race, a roller skating competition, or a go-kart race.
When NBC started playing ads promoting a Premier League Darby, I had to look it up to figure out that the Brits say Derby as Darby (a sound instead of the written e)
eyetracker@reddit
You forgot small wooden cars made by little boys.
Amazing_Divide1214@reddit
The only derby thing I'm familiar with are "demolition derbies" in America. Basically people take junky cars and run 'em into each other to see who can drive around the longest while incapacitating other cars.
pilfro@reddit
Rivalries in US sports are more media created today vs organic, people take their shots on social media vs in the stands. Its not zero but its nothing like pre 1990s. Security is higher and beer is more expensive.
Stay_Beautiful_@reddit
Heated rivalries in the same city isn't as much of a thing because in the history of American sports a city usually has two teams because historically they were in separate leagues that merged.
Like sure the Subway Series is a thing between the Yankees and the Mets, but as American League and National League teams, they had never even played against each other until 1997
This is true to a lesser extent in american football, where the Giants and Jets come from the NFL and AFL, and therefore ended up in opposite conferences and only play each other once every four years (unless they end up against one another in the Super Bowl)
BananerRammer@reddit
The US has major sports rivalries, but they tend to be intercity rivalries, instead of same-city "derbies," as you would call them.
This is for a number of reasons:
1) There is rarely more than one major team per sport in a particular city. Chicago has two baseball teams. LA has two baseball, two hockey, two football, and two basketball teams. And New York has two baseball, two basketball, two football, and three hockey teams. Other than those three cities, no one else has more than one team per sport.
2) Even when a city has multiple teams in a sport, they are often separated into different leagues/conferences/divisions etc, so they don't play each other all that often.
For example, The Chicago White Sox and Chicago Cubs, never played each other between 1906 and 1997. They are in different leagues, so until interleague play started, they just never played each other. Even today, we have interleague games, so they still play each other on occasion, but neither is truly the main rival of the other. The Cubs main rivals are the St. Louis Cardinals, and the White Sox main rivals are the Detroit Tigers.
Because of this, rivalries tend to be city vs city rivalries, not intracity derbies.
For example, here are some of the big rivalries in each sport:
Baseball:
New York Yankees vs Boston Red Sox
Chicago Cubs vs St Louis Cardinals
Los Angeles Dodgers vs. San Francisco Giants (though this rivalry started when both teams played in New York, prior to moving to the west coast.
Football:
Green Bay Packers vs. Chicago Bears
Kansas City Chiefs vs. Oakland/LA/Las Vegas Raiders
New York Giants vs Philadelphia Eagles
Basketball:
Boston Celtics vs Los Angeles Lakers
New York Knicks vs Indiana Pacers
Hockey:
Montreal Canadiens vs. Toronto Maple Leafs
Montreal Canadiens vs. Boston Bruins
Chicago Blackhawks vs. Detroit Red Wings
That isn't an exhaustive list, just a few notable examples in each sport. There are a few exceptions to that, notably in New York, since it's the one city with the most professional teams. In baseball, the Mets and the Yankees "Subway Series" is pretty intense, though neither team would consider the other their main rival. In basketball, The New York Knicks and Brooklyn Nets have a decent rivalry, though the Knicks are the far bigger team in New York.
Finally, but certainly not least, the three New York area hockey teams also share a pretty intense rivalry, especially the Rangers-Islanders, and Rangers-Devils. It's truly the only example I can think of where a each team's main rival is in the same city.
AnchoviePopcorn@reddit
My home state of Kentucky has a derby you may have heard of.
ZaphodG@reddit
The geographical regions in US professional sports are too large. There’s nothing like a Newcastle-Sunderland where the cities are 10 miles apart and 10% of the city turns out for the match. US professional teams also don’t reserve a section of the stands for away supporters. Dodgers - Giants before they both moved to California was the only rivalry comparable to Spurs-Gunners.
Anfield is 33 miles from Old Trafford. Blackburn is 10 miles from Burnley. Preston North End is 10 miles from both of those clubs. You can walk between Anfield and Goodison Park in 5 minutes. Spurs, Gunners, Chelsea, West Ham, Fulham, and Brentford are all in London.
In the UK, it’s normal for half the people in your office to support one club in the derby and half support the other club. The rivalry can go back more than a century.
Title26@reddit
The subway series in NY always draws a huge crowd
DefNotReaves@reddit
El Traffico is a pretty heated rivalry within LA.
TopperMadeline@reddit
The only derbys I know of here in the US are horse races.
username-generica@reddit
College American football is notorious for rivalries. A lot of them have special names and some have special trophies. They usually aren’t violent though.
LukasJackson67@reddit
Ohio state vs Michigan.
Clemson vs South Carolina.
Additional-Software4@reddit
The closest would have been the 49ers and the Raiders when the Raiders were still based in Oakland.
The teams used to schedule pre-season exhibition games before the regular season would start since they played in the same area, but violence in the stands led to the teams mutually agreeing to end those games.
Those pre season games were usually cheaper than the regular season games, and they attracted gang members that, in that region, identified with those two teams colors
Cerulean_IsFancyBlue@reddit
There are rivalry games in the USA as many people have mentioned. What I think they’re overlooking is that as the US professional sports league’s grew, it became uncommon to have two teams in the same city that played each other regularly because they were often in separate leagues, or separate partitions of an existing league.
Much of this can be traced to the desire for professional leagues and professional team owners to have an exclusive in their metropolitan area, which tended to be encroached only when the other team was actually in a competing organization. Many of these organizations did merge later, but the play schedule was often kept quite separate. Major metropolitan areas with multiple teams, often found one of the owners desiring to move to a different area with less direct competition. Philadelphia had to baseball teams until the 1950s. The Brooklyn Dodgers moved to Los Angeles in the 1950s as well. Where cities do you have more than one team they often exist in separate sub organizations within the top league.
Although there has been some rebalancing and most leagues, you have some strange groupings that are due to the timing of the expansions, or to the movement of teams from one city to another. This makes even the theoretically geographic grouping, cover larger ground than you would expect.
Rivalries are usually based on teams that were in the same subdivision. These teams would play each other fairly often and the regular season. They would often have appreciable influence on the success of the other team, because they might be competing directly for a playoff spot. But geographically, these rivalries could be quite distant, and almost never in the same city.
For example, in the NFL, the New York City Giants are in the NFL East, and they will play one home and one away game against the other teams and that division. This has created long-term rivalries with the teams in Philadelphia, Dallas, and Washington DC.
But the NYC Giants and NYC Jets are an entirely different conferences. These two conferences were originally separate, competing leagues. Even after the league merged into the NFL, it was very uncommon for teams in the two “conferences” to play each other. The NFL has added more of those games, but it’s still rare compared to a game in the same division, which is a subset of a conference.
For much of its history, the major league baseball teams of the American League and the National League, tended to meet only in the World Series championship.
JennyPaints@reddit
Because the only sport with something called a derby I know of in The U.S. is The Kentucky Derby, I googled soccer derby. It defined a derby as a match between two revials who are close geography. If that's what it means, yes, yes, we have those particularly in college football. In Oregon, The University of Oregon Ducks play the Oregon State University Beavers once a year. The teams are about a thirty minute drive apart. The game is locally referred to as The Civil War and on game day it involves: teasing among friends, coworkers, and relatives; many cars decked out in teams colors and signs; a lot of honking on I-5 ( the interstate highway leading to the game); people dressed in team stuff; more cheering booing and chants then at other games; pre and post game parties; a lot of alumni attendance; and general rowdiness. It's noticeable whether you attend the game or not. But violence among fans is pretty uncommon.
There has been a game like it, everywhere I've lived. But they are called different things and some don't have a name except team x versus team y.
jessek@reddit
There are rival teams but no one is getting killed over it, for the most part.
CountChoculasGhost@reddit
Since a lot of people are mentioning college sports, I’ll mention a local professional one.
Chicago has 2 Major League Baseball teams, the Cubs and the White Sox.
There is a, usually, friendly rivalry between the two. The Cubs are on the north side and the Sox are on the south side. So there is some neighborhood pride in each team depending on where you live/grew up.
They do the “Crosstown Classic” each season.
It’s a fairly big deal around the city. Again, it’s mostly friendly, but it is a pretty big tradition
StrongStyleDragon@reddit
Mostly for college teams since pro teams are separated by division rather than by location. Steelers & Eagles play in the same state and it can get pretty competitive but not derby worthy.
Prior_Particular9417@reddit
Not to the same degree. Only a few cities have 2 pro teams of the same sport. Things are also much more spread out. Your teams big "rival" might be from the same state, neighboring state, or even across the country but in the same division.
seifd@reddit
The MLB has an annual home run derby and there's the Kentucky Derby, a horserace.
mcsteam98@reddit
yeah we have derbies.
Association football has stuff like the Hudson Derby (NYCFC vs. the Red Bulls) at the MLS level and the Rt. 6 Derby (RI vs. Hartford, this one’s local to me) in USL.
Other sports just call ‘em rivalries though.
Baseball has stuff like the Subway Series (Mets vs. Yankees) and the Cubs-White Sox rivalry. Gridiron football has weirdness like the Giants vs. the Jets (they share the same home stadium).
FlamingBagOfPoop@reddit
In baseball, there used to be more multiple team cities but even then they were in different leagues and due to the rules of the time they would only play each other in the World Series. The mixing of the leagues during the season is “recent” development considering the amount of time baseball has been around. Until the mid 1990’s the only time the New York Yankees and New York Mets could play each other would be for the championship. Same with Cubs and White Sox in Chicago. The only instance of a multiple team city where there two in the same league that I can think of were the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers. They both moved out of nyc for San Francisco and Los Angeles in the mid 50’s.
St Louis, Boston and Philadelphia are all former two team cities but they were aways opposite leagues. There might be a nitpick on this if considering pre modern (1903) teams and if you consider teams from the Federal League or American Assoc to be major leagues.
McGeeze@reddit
There's one in Kentucky. Involves big hats and mint juleps.
andmewithoutmytowel@reddit
We don't call them that, but there are a lot of sports rivalries. In Baseball, Chicago has the "Crosstown Classic" which is the North Side's Chicago Cubs vs. the South Side's Chicago White Sox. New York has the "Subway Series" Yankees vs. Mets, there's also a lot of team rivalries, famously the Boston Red Sox vs. the Yankees because of the "curse of the Bambino" from when the Red Sox sold Babe Ruth to the Yankees, and then went more than 80 years before winning another world series.
Infinite-Surprise-53@reddit
In college because the teams are closer together
Kevincelt@reddit
Like we have plenty of games, sometimes even special events between famously rival teams in the US, but it doesn’t tend to be nearly as crazy as a lot of the matches you mentioned. This includes professional teams like Soxs vs Cubs for baseball, Michigan vs Ohio state for college sports, etc. I’ve been to games for both but they can’t compare to how crazy and violent I’ve seen Ranger and Celtic have been on video.
Courwes@reddit
It’s more of a college thing as pro sports typically have very rigid structures and don’t deviate beyond that.
beepbeepboop74656@reddit
Chicago has the crosstown classic which is cubs vs white socks it’s fun but not violent sports isn’t worth jail time
yikester20@reddit
Only the MLS calls their rivalry games derbies, like el traffico (both Los Angeles teams) or hell is real (Cincinnati vs Columbus). Other sports call them rivalry games, which can have a lot of fun names and traditions. For example, Middle Tennessee State vs Western Kentucky is called 100 miles of hate, or the BUTT bowl between Baylor University and Texas Tech.
gaoshan@reddit
We have the same thing but we don’t call it a derby. College sports, especially had this. Ohio State bs Michigan is a good example.
YakClear601@reddit
I’ve noticed that American sports tend to be insulated from the broader socio-economic and political contexts. For example the Old Firm rivalry is linked to sectarianism and El Clasico plays into the Spanish and Catalan divide. There some rivalry games in America like the LA Dodgers and SD giants in baseball that play into geographical rivalries because they’re two California teams. But not to the extent of European sports.
jf737@reddit
I’ve never heard the term “derby” used in that way. Do you mean in order for it to be considered a derby, the teams must be from the same city? In which case, we don’t have much of that on the pro level. Mets-Yankees might be the most intense but hardly “high risk”. I’ve found it to be mostly good natured.
Colleges have some intense in-state rivalries, but not necessarily the same city. One that comes to mind is Duke-North Carolina basketball. They’re only a few miles apart. USC-UCLA. Stanford-Cal. The Philly schools In basketball. But these are generally low stakes.
Tommy_Wisseau_burner@reddit
Rivalry games? Yes. But in the same city not really. Very few cities (aka New York and Los Angeles and sometimes San Francisco) have 2 pro teams in the same city. Only LA, as far as I’m aware, has 2 power 5 universities in the same city. Besides basketball and hockey if you have 2 teams in the same city they play in different divisions so they aren’t really rivals
MortimerDongle@reddit
Not in the same way. There are only a few examples of cities that have more than one team in the same league, but even then they aren't always true rivals.
There are some local rivalries, for example the Eagles and Giants (Philadelphia and New Jersey) stadiums are under 100 miles apart, which by US standards is very close. Still, there is little violence and the rivalry has no political or even social class aspects to it, it's just about sports.
merp_mcderp9459@reddit
Yep. New York and LA have two teams in every major sport iirc. And there used to be Oakland-San Francisco in baseball, before the A’s got moved
DOMSdeluise@reddit
most cities do not have multiple sports teams in the same sport and even for the ones that do: no.
_WillCAD_@reddit
People are free to wear any kind of hat they like at a sporting event. In baseball, most spectators wear the 'ballcap' style worn by players on the field. In golf, most spectators and some players wear a sunvisor (which isn't a hat per se, but it's headgear), though ballcaps are pretty common. In hockey, skiing, curling, and football - not to be confused with futbol, which Americans call soccer - most spectators wear skull caps and hooded coats/parkas, since it's a cold-weather sport, while football and hockey players and skiers wear protective helmets, and curlers generally seem to go bareheaded.
Derbies were popular in the 1900s-1930s among spectators, but were rare for players, and they are rarely seen today as they really fell out of style in the US by the end of WW II.
vile_hog_42069@reddit
Portland Timbers vs Seattle Sounders vs Vancouver Whitecaps is a trifecta “derby or darby” in MLS
Tpsreport44@reddit
With only played “my summer car” do you mean dirt track racing? I’m sure it exists but definitely not that popular here, you will find a demolition derby at any state fair worth its salt though.