I know parasites are one of the worst things about raw pork, but isn't it like most other meats where once it's exposed to air bacteria is a concern? This is ground pork so that would mean it's been building bacteria for a while already.
Yes, and you also have to consider the bacteria from the grinder as well, which is also why it's technically not safe to eat anything but well done burgers. Any time you do you're running the risk of getting sick.
If you live in a place with high quality, well monitored meat and you've got a healthy immune system you'll probably fine, though.
I can assure you. If you get it from a butcher, the standards for cleaning are so damn high, that you will not get sick. And it has to be prepared and sold the day of by law. They will make it fresh upon order for you.
I know you won't get sick. That's why I said if you have a healthy immune system you'll probably be fine.
The whole reason why rare steak is "safe" is because the density and low water content means it's difficult for the bacteria to penetrate and multiply in there, so the amount of harmful bacteria that you'll eat is minimal, to the point where anything that might be in there can be safely handled by your immune system. So all you really have to do, to make it "safe", is cook the outside.
When you grind it you're mixing everything up. there is no outside or inside anymore and bacteria can get into it from anywhere and everywhere, including from the grinder itself.
This is just the basic science behind food safety. Red meat isn't some magical substance that can't ever get you sick.
The way people respond to me on here I can't help but wonder how and why you think red meat is safe to eat rare. Like do you think bacteria are all little faries using magic to make you sick, and the high iron content in the meat scares them off?
That's probably rude but it's legitimately baffling to get downvoted all the time regarding basic science like germ theory, especially when I flat out say it's still safe to eat.
Maybe what you don't understand is that red meat is safe to eat when it's fresh. It takes time for the bacteria to build up to the level of needing to worry, this does not apply to parasites of course but I think we have all agreed that's not the concern here.
As long as it is very fresh, you're fine. This is the same reason eating rare or even blue steaks is safe. This does not apply to:
1) elderly
2) young children
3) people who are immunocompromised
You are literally saying the same thing that I am.
Yes it takes a while to build up inside the meat. Because of the water content and density of the meat. That's why chicken is not safe, because it has a ton of water and is porous.
Yes if it's fresh you're fine if you have a healthy immune system. That's why the very old, very young, and immunocomprimised people have to be more careful.
Like I don't understand what you're trying to say because all you're doing is just parroting my points back at me and saying I'm wrong.
You're saying this is all unsafe due to it being ground. I'm saying it is safe. Because it's fresh. That is what the commenter just above meant by "it's not sitting around for hours." If you're not saying it's sitting around for hours then due to the process this is considered safe.
I am also saying it's safe. If you have a healthy immune system and if you live somewhere with good meat regulation.
My comments are about food safety protocols and why they exist. Technically, per food safety guidelines, mett and other raw meat dishes are not "safe" because they haven't been heated to a temperature that will kill harmful bacteria.
But, and I cannot stress this enough because you and everyone else seems to just be ignoring this part on every one of my posts, that doesn't mean it's unsafe to eat as long as you are healthy.
You have to cook meat to 165 internal for well done, because at that point every possible pathogen that might make you sick will instantly die. That's what that temperature is for. That's what makes it "safe". That's why you can't get sick from well done meat. Everything that could get you sick is dead.
But since red meat has little water content and is dense, it's fine to take the risk with undercooking it because the chances of you getting sick are VIRTUALLY ZERO, CAPITALIZED TO ADD EMPHASIS SO YOU ACTUALLY READ IT INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT AGAIN. But it isn't zero. There is a chance you could get sick, which is why it's not reccomended for, like you said, the elderly, young, or immnocompromised. Mincing the meat, whether by hand or with a grinder, spreads any bacteria from the surface throuought the meat, which means that eating it any less than well done carries a risk for the same reason why eating undercooked chicken carries a risk.
I'm not saying you can't do it. I'm not saying it's unsafe. I'm explaining the science behind why these god damn guidelines exist, and everyone here is too far up their own ass to understand any of it.
Like seriously. What part of "if you have a healthy immune system you'll be fine" are you not getting? Why would you read that and think I'm saying it's unsafe?
Minced pork is ground pork. The only difference is where you're from.
Or at least that used to be the case. I did a quick google search to make sure I wasn't wrong here and I found an old reddit thread asking the difference between minced and ground meat and I found a really interesting thing. 11 years ago everyone said that they were the same thing, except one person who said ground is run through a grinder with the fat and minced is finely chopped super lean cuts so it's 100% meat, or as close as you can get to it. Then 2 years ago someone necroed the post and said the downvotes were wrong, and people agreed with them. There were also multiple websites saying the same thing, but they were all made relatively recently.
That leads me to believe that somewhere between 11 and 2 years ago the terms started to take different meanings kind of like when the terms macaron and macroon split. Which is fair since they are different things. And if mince now means manually chopped 100% meat then I'm down with that distinction.
That said, concerning your claim, if you mean that mett is traditionally made by manually chopping the meat and not using a grinder then you'd be correct because the dish predates the grinder so it'd kind of have to be made that way traditionally. If you mean that it's traditionally made with 100% meat then you're completely wrong, because it is traditionally pre-mixed with spices and seasonings when it's sold and it can have up to 35% fat content by law. Although full disclosure I can't determine exactly when the law was put into place and as far as I can tell it was sometime in the 1950's so that isn't really a good measure of how it was made 'traditionally', but the dish is most often spread on to a bread roll (aka mettbrötchen) and you can't really spread 100% meat. It just doesn't work without the fat.
Ask the foodies and the chefs next time google isn't always right. Or just check the third page.
Mince has been a fine chop/dice since forever (seen in a cookbook from the 1300's) that's how they make things like beef tartar. But due to semantic drift or the younger generations just confusing terms sometimes things blend together.
Location as you've stated has much to do with it like with macaroons often being a U.S. thing. Or I talked to an Asian guy over in r/eggs that kept using the term"omelette" when it in no way resembled one. His family or the region just used it as the go to term for the way they made eggs.
Of course mince was finely chopped/diced in the 1300's. That's hundred of years before grinders were invented. Like...I don't want to be rude but please stop and use your brain for a second on that one.
Once grinders were invented some places started calling it ground meat and some places kept calling it minced meat. But it's effectively the same thing because, like you said, back in the day they used mince for finely chopped meat, and a grinder is essentially just a mechanical way of doing that faster. Although it does also mix things together so if people these days are using mince to specifically mean finely chopped by hand then whatever. But from at least 2000-ish on every cookbook, foodie, and authority in cooking used mince and ground interchangeably to refer to ground meat, and I know that because that's when I started teaching myself to cook. The OED even has the definition of minced as to cut up or grind, especially meat, typically in a machine with revolving blades (aka a grinder).
So if people want to use mince to specifically mean ultra lean ground meat then whatever, I can see the reason for that distinction. But if you think that ground meat and mince meat have always been different things then you're just factually wrong. It's literally the same technique, a grinder is just a mechanical way of doing it.
But regardless of all that, the German dish Mett is not ultra lean ground meat and never has been. It's fairly fatty pork ground up with spices.
And in case you're wondering, the distinction between macaroon and macaron is an American thing that has since spread to different places. They're both variations of the same Italian cookie, and they used to all be called macaroons. For a long time what are now known as macarons were called French macaroons, or sometimes Parisian macaroons. At least internationally, because the French spelling of macaroon is just macaron.
But the split for the two names being used for two specific types of macaroons happened in the US around twenty years ago when they became really popular in bakeries. It was easier and more efficient to just use the French spelling of macaron for the French style cookies, and so that became the popular way to refer to them across the US and then eventually the rest of the English speaking world.
As to your rudeness about me using my brain cutting and chopping are a completely separate physical action than grinding.
The original grinder, a mortar and pestle clearly show this. And while they can be used in conjunction with cutting like a modern grinder. The main difference is pressure and high surface area versus an edge. A modern grinder might use a cutting blade to make the pieces smaller but the pressure of the extrusion process; hole size being a large factor means that a mince could always become a grind but the converse is never true.
A grinder just produces a very, very fine mince. And yeah the pressure is part of how it gets as finely minced as it does, but it doesn't change the process at all. The blade in the grinder is still the thing that ultimately does the actually mincing. Without the blade the grinder would just...break. It's not like a grinder is pressurized, it just moves the meat forward into the blade. It honestly sounds like you just don't understand how a meat grinder functions. The fact that you compared it to a mortar and pestle kind of proves that, which yes is also called a grinder but no is not the same action as a meat grinder.
And I'm sorry if I'm coming off as rude but you really just aren't thinking your argument through. You're arguing that the traditional way Germans made mett was by finely chopping and dicing the meat. Which is true, but you have to do it until it's the same level of minced as a modern grinder will give you. Mett is spreadable and you can't spread cubed meat.
Steak tartare, since you brought it up before, is cubed but has it's consistency by binding it together with egg yolk. You can't make tartare in a grinder because a grinder will mince it too fine and it won't have the right consistency. You can make mett in a grinder because the consistency comes from the minced fat, not another ingredient. I'm only bringing this up because you brought it up in your first comment, and I feel like you might not actually know what mett is and maybe you think it's prepared the same way as tartare.
I would hope the grinders are getting properly cleaned. The kitchens I worked in tore them fully down and thoroughly sanitized them on the daily.
That said there was a fast food burger place I worked at that apparently never removed the dicer blade from the hand dicer to clean it. When I took it off to clean it it had green, pink, white and purple mold under it. I've never even seen purple mold before or sense. 🤯 So I guess you can't always trust people do their job right.
It's not about cleanliness. Well it is, obviously if the grinder isn't clean that will be a problem. But it's also about density and water content.
The kind of bacteria that makes you sick can't really grow inside of beef easily because there isn't a ton of water, and the dense muscle makes it hard for bacteria to get in let alone multiply. So you generally only have to worry about the bacteria on the outside. But when you grind the meat, everything gets mixed around and that included all the bacteria that used to only be on the outside.
Pork is different because of trichinosis which is caused by parasitic worms that live in the muscle. Chicken is porous AND has a high water content, so it's really easy for bacteria to penetrate the meat and also makes it easy for cross contamination. On top of that a lot of poultry farms are lousy with salmonella so that's another reason why it's less safe to undercooked. Duck is just as susceptible to bacteria and cross contamination as chicken, it's just that duck tastes really good when undercooked so people make excuses for saying it's safer but it's really not.
That said, now that sous vide is more common it's a lot easier and safer to eat medium or rare poultry, chicken included. 165 is the temperature you have to cook it to because that will instantly kill harmful bacteria, so one second there and you're good. But if you hold a lower temperature for a long time, which is really easy to do with sous vide, you can safely eat medium rare duck or chicken without any worries. If for some reason you wanted medium rare chicken which is kind of gross if you ask me.
But again, all of this is about level of risk. If you have a healthy immune system you'll probably be fine as long as it's high quality and well regulated meat, regardless of how it's made. As long as it's handled properly, obviously.
I guess I misunderstood when you were saying not only worrying about the bacteria from the meat but also from the grinder.
But yeah, I think we're saying the same thing. Meat that has been ground should be fully cooked. That said, I do leave a bit of pink in my burgers sometimes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's prepared kinda like tartar. You really want it to be as fresh as possible and then immediately add Salt and pepper and the onions. It's well seasoned and you can enjoy it withing the day.
This is mett. It’s a German delicacy that is tightly controlled with heavy inspection of slaughter and preparation. It is not ground but minced by knife. There are very few cases of food poisoning when it is done by professionals.
Thank you! I was like "my over a decade of working in food says this is a no..." But that makes sense. Not knowing of that dish, this looked to me like they just took ground pork for sausage patties and spread it on there.
You usually put Mett in the meat grinder, maybe some really good butchers mince it with a knife but it's definetely not the standard. Also it isnt different meat than the regular ground pork meat, only difference is that it's seasoned and it goes through the meat grinder twice instead of once.
Well, the fact that it has to be carefully monitored to make sure it's safe means that it is not just parasites you need to worry about. Again, I know they are the main concern with pork, just not the only one.
I remember when I was very young, like 4-5, my mom would let me taste the raw mixture for meatballs (breadcrumbs swollen with water, raw pork/beef mix ground, spices) before she made it into meatballs. Then one time my older sister, late teens, told her it wasn't safe and that was the end of that.
It tasted really really good though.
(And before anyone has a conniption, meat safety is a pretty big deal here. It was probably 99% safe - got to leave room for freak chance.)
For a healthy person with a decent immune system the meat would have to be old or a good amount of it. Generally speaking, a small taste test won't do anything, but it's still not recommended because, as you said, there is always some kind of chance.
No, unfortunately not. I'm german too and I always used to think that because most people just assume it I guess. Until I worked at the meat counter in a supermarket. It's literally just regular meat, the same one you grind to make the ground beef only difference is that you put seasoning in Mett and it goes in the meat grinder two times so it's a little bit more ground up than regular ground beef.
I live un The Netherlands and have been eating raw eggs for over half a century. In mayo, in milk, with sugar as a hangover cure. Never bothered me a bit. And eggs are not washed over here.
It’s still not worth it. You need to be lucky all the time. The parasite only needs to get lucky once. Also parasites don’t care for your food laws, and all it takes is one slip up.
I'm not a troll. I'm trying to share knowledge of cultural customs that you've clearly failed to learn. Not everyone in the world is exactly like the people you grew up with. People eat lots of different things.
I guess a lot of your customs, culture snd traditions seem un-evolved to others aswell. Thats just how it is. Like lacking regulations to make food safe to eat.
I’m not American, so nice try. We’ve got plenty of regulations, and one of them is to make sure that food is cooked properly.
Humans got to where they are by being able to use tools, and cooking the food we eat. Made the food more nutritious, which allowed our brains to develop more.
So yeah, eating raw meat is literally un-evolved behaviour. So I don’t care how safe or well regulated you think it is. All it takes is one mistake, one slip up, and you’re shitting out both ends.
And while you are right that using fire to cook helped our brain development in ancient times, that has nothing to do with our food culture nowadays. trying to make a connection there makes no senese, since you can't un-evolve your brain from eating sth raw, once in a while, thats just stupid, sorry. there are plenty of foods you eat raw. with this logic you wouldnt be allowed to eat any meat that is not well done or any dessert with raw eggs (which are a lot).
I guess a lot of your customs, culture snd traditions seem un-evolved to others aswell. Thats just how it is. Like lacking regulations to make food safe to eat.
Thats called an example. If you think that was about you, thats on you. I made no statement whatsoever where i claimed that it is like that where you are from.
Its also very common to eat tatar, sushi, steak and other fish and meat rare in a lot of cuisines, what you are claiming is totally out of touch.
It’s not bigotry to think eating raw meat is stupid. Even if I expressly said “I hate Germans because they eat raw meat” you’d maybe have a point, but you don’t. Nice try though.
For trichinoses in raw pork it is easy to google: both the US and Germany have 0.1 cases per million people. And millions of Germans consume raw pork, which is not done in the US. With strict regulation you can make it safe to eat, simple as that.
Do you seriously think you’re going to hear about every case of food poisoning? But I bet when you do, you automatically assume it could never be from mett as well. End of the day, I don’t care, and I think it’s stupid.
I had something similar in Brussels and I was very hesitant at first, but the staff in the sandwich place gave me a taster and I ended up liking it. It was more like a seasoned meat though and I imagine yours is like that too.
This is called "Mett" and it's a popular delicacy in Germany. It's highly processed so you don't need to worry about parasites since food regulations in Germany are very very strict
German here, this is a very accurate translation lmao. Mett is the spread shown in the picture, not sure that there is an actual english word, other than something like "raw ground beef/pork". I believe it is usually mixed 50/50 but i am not entirely sure as I don't eat meat.
Or Essen or a couple of others. I always read Lebensmittel as groceries. Lived in the east for a few years and was amazed how much more Polish it sounded than my Bavarian high school teacher taught. 8 years of classes I can't entirely forget
It is perfect. The German language makes so much sense to just join words while in English we make up totally new ones. I was working in Germany in my 20’s and picked up the vocabulary quickly…but the grammar, ugh. With no formal training nobody explained der di das to me so I had to try and relearn every word’s article. My friends just accepted that I spoke German like an idiot.
No, we Germans are kinda crazy about bread and one of the biggest gripes of Germans living in the states is the lack of good bread in stores (gotten better with the sourdough craze though)
A bagel is a type of bread, although boiled with lye rather than banked. Donut is more of a confection and generally fried.
Definition aside, saying toastbrot is not bread is strange since, you know, it has the word bread in the damn name. I guess brotchen isn't bread either since it has the diminutive suffix modifying it.
All food is a cultural thing. Pork in Germany is regulated so eating raw pork there is fine unlike in our third world shit hole America (and even here the dangers of overcooked pork are kinda a carryover from the past given how actually rare trichinosis is).
If you want maga brain worms undercooked bearmeat is the move
It depends on where you live. I've had it in Germany, but I'm Canadian and we haven't had a case of trichinosis since 1982 I think. If prepared correctly it's perfectly fine.
I love beef tartare with raw egg and onions and pickles etc but ngl I’d be a bit wary of raw pork. That said I’ve eaten brains before which is risky in itself.
There are lightly cured versions available in supermarkets, but the trick is to just keep the cool chain at all times and eat it the same day it was ground, which is what‘s required by German law for meat that is consumed raw. Basically strict legal frameworks that are actually enforced are what make raw mince safe for human consumption in Germany.
You're simply so pedantic I'm led to believe you're either neurodivergent or one of those people that always likes to be right or hear themselves talk.
The original meat grinders as the ones today used an auger, and then had hand crank to power the machine. I've used one have you?
Sadly it seems my comment about looking up "chop dice mince" seems to either have been ignored or shipped off into the ether. As well as working in a kitchen and a chef giving you commands for a mince. You've never worked in a professional kitchen have you?
As for mince being the proper word I believe the British nomenclature to no longer be relevant due to the invention of said grinder.
The original ones didn't even cut the meat at all simply extruding it by the power of the auger and hand crank. Any cutting was done by hand as it is still done today to fit into the hopper.
You're hand picking your argument about the mortar and pestle and ignoring the difference between cutting and grinding, well done. Keep moving the goal posts!
I'm not arguing ANYTHING about German delicacies which I've eaten in the fatherland having lived many years just a short trip over their northern border. Have you?
And why are you just repeating what I said about tartare and the grinding process versus mincing??
Anyway thanks for the weird conversation. Enjoy the rest of your day and or evening! 👋
You clearly read some weird cookbooks maybe British.
But yeah a mince in the culinary world and a grind are two different things. You can finely mince until it becomes a grind or a paste if you want but if you really want to understand simply type in "chop dice mince" in Google and you can see the pictures of what it means since I can't post a link.
You and I might just be arguing semantics, but I have worked in several kitchens so my my personal work experience is if chef asks you to mince some carrots celery and onions for a sofrito he doesn't want you to put it into a grinder if he asks for a mirepoix for his chunky ragout he doesn't want a mince.
Do me a favour and look up the rate trichinosis cases in Germany and then consider that you can buy raw pork bread rolls at basically every butcher and bakery
Our butcher would clean the grinder and run a fresh batch through for raw beef sandwiches. Now that I don't have a butcher like that I grind my own. No way I'd ever use random supermarket ground beef for them.
I trust my butcher. I wouldn’t question their cleaning practices. And I’ll eat seafood/fish raw no problem. But something about raw terrestrial meat? Just weirds me out.
I know this is a thing that is pretty normal in Germany, but there is no way I’d eat raw pork ever. It’s not just about the trichinosis fear, but also the texture and flavor of completely raw meat is so off putting to me.
I guess I should have said large provider or something else, cause i could totally see local farmer/hog man type caring about his animals enough so that you could eat it that way
VexTheTielfling@reddit
I assume it's very well monitored pork to prevent parasites from making you sick like eggs in japan being very safe to eat raw.
KayoticVoid@reddit
I know parasites are one of the worst things about raw pork, but isn't it like most other meats where once it's exposed to air bacteria is a concern? This is ground pork so that would mean it's been building bacteria for a while already.
MoobooMagoo@reddit
Yes, and you also have to consider the bacteria from the grinder as well, which is also why it's technically not safe to eat anything but well done burgers. Any time you do you're running the risk of getting sick.
If you live in a place with high quality, well monitored meat and you've got a healthy immune system you'll probably fine, though.
FinalSnow9720@reddit
I can assure you. If you get it from a butcher, the standards for cleaning are so damn high, that you will not get sick. And it has to be prepared and sold the day of by law. They will make it fresh upon order for you.
MoobooMagoo@reddit
I know you won't get sick. That's why I said if you have a healthy immune system you'll probably be fine.
The whole reason why rare steak is "safe" is because the density and low water content means it's difficult for the bacteria to penetrate and multiply in there, so the amount of harmful bacteria that you'll eat is minimal, to the point where anything that might be in there can be safely handled by your immune system. So all you really have to do, to make it "safe", is cook the outside.
When you grind it you're mixing everything up. there is no outside or inside anymore and bacteria can get into it from anywhere and everywhere, including from the grinder itself.
This is just the basic science behind food safety. Red meat isn't some magical substance that can't ever get you sick.
The way people respond to me on here I can't help but wonder how and why you think red meat is safe to eat rare. Like do you think bacteria are all little faries using magic to make you sick, and the high iron content in the meat scares them off?
That's probably rude but it's legitimately baffling to get downvoted all the time regarding basic science like germ theory, especially when I flat out say it's still safe to eat.
FinalSnow9720@reddit
With all die respect, but you seem to absolutely not understand, that this food is not sitting on a plate for hours.
MoobooMagoo@reddit
I...didn't say it was. I didn't even imply it was. What made you think I was saying the food was just sitting out for hours at a time?
KayoticVoid@reddit
Maybe what you don't understand is that red meat is safe to eat when it's fresh. It takes time for the bacteria to build up to the level of needing to worry, this does not apply to parasites of course but I think we have all agreed that's not the concern here.
As long as it is very fresh, you're fine. This is the same reason eating rare or even blue steaks is safe. This does not apply to:
1) elderly 2) young children 3) people who are immunocompromised
MoobooMagoo@reddit
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You are literally saying the same thing that I am.
Yes it takes a while to build up inside the meat. Because of the water content and density of the meat. That's why chicken is not safe, because it has a ton of water and is porous.
Yes if it's fresh you're fine if you have a healthy immune system. That's why the very old, very young, and immunocomprimised people have to be more careful.
Like I don't understand what you're trying to say because all you're doing is just parroting my points back at me and saying I'm wrong.
KayoticVoid@reddit
You're saying this is all unsafe due to it being ground. I'm saying it is safe. Because it's fresh. That is what the commenter just above meant by "it's not sitting around for hours." If you're not saying it's sitting around for hours then due to the process this is considered safe.
MoobooMagoo@reddit
I am also saying it's safe. If you have a healthy immune system and if you live somewhere with good meat regulation.
My comments are about food safety protocols and why they exist. Technically, per food safety guidelines, mett and other raw meat dishes are not "safe" because they haven't been heated to a temperature that will kill harmful bacteria.
But, and I cannot stress this enough because you and everyone else seems to just be ignoring this part on every one of my posts, that doesn't mean it's unsafe to eat as long as you are healthy.
You have to cook meat to 165 internal for well done, because at that point every possible pathogen that might make you sick will instantly die. That's what that temperature is for. That's what makes it "safe". That's why you can't get sick from well done meat. Everything that could get you sick is dead.
But since red meat has little water content and is dense, it's fine to take the risk with undercooking it because the chances of you getting sick are VIRTUALLY ZERO, CAPITALIZED TO ADD EMPHASIS SO YOU ACTUALLY READ IT INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT AGAIN. But it isn't zero. There is a chance you could get sick, which is why it's not reccomended for, like you said, the elderly, young, or immnocompromised. Mincing the meat, whether by hand or with a grinder, spreads any bacteria from the surface throuought the meat, which means that eating it any less than well done carries a risk for the same reason why eating undercooked chicken carries a risk.
I'm not saying you can't do it. I'm not saying it's unsafe. I'm explaining the science behind why these god damn guidelines exist, and everyone here is too far up their own ass to understand any of it.
Like seriously. What part of "if you have a healthy immune system you'll be fine" are you not getting? Why would you read that and think I'm saying it's unsafe?
TuvixWillNotBeMissed@reddit
Also this German dish is traditionally made with minced pork, not ground.
MoobooMagoo@reddit
Minced pork is ground pork. The only difference is where you're from.
Or at least that used to be the case. I did a quick google search to make sure I wasn't wrong here and I found an old reddit thread asking the difference between minced and ground meat and I found a really interesting thing. 11 years ago everyone said that they were the same thing, except one person who said ground is run through a grinder with the fat and minced is finely chopped super lean cuts so it's 100% meat, or as close as you can get to it. Then 2 years ago someone necroed the post and said the downvotes were wrong, and people agreed with them. There were also multiple websites saying the same thing, but they were all made relatively recently.
That leads me to believe that somewhere between 11 and 2 years ago the terms started to take different meanings kind of like when the terms macaron and macroon split. Which is fair since they are different things. And if mince now means manually chopped 100% meat then I'm down with that distinction.
That said, concerning your claim, if you mean that mett is traditionally made by manually chopping the meat and not using a grinder then you'd be correct because the dish predates the grinder so it'd kind of have to be made that way traditionally. If you mean that it's traditionally made with 100% meat then you're completely wrong, because it is traditionally pre-mixed with spices and seasonings when it's sold and it can have up to 35% fat content by law. Although full disclosure I can't determine exactly when the law was put into place and as far as I can tell it was sometime in the 1950's so that isn't really a good measure of how it was made 'traditionally', but the dish is most often spread on to a bread roll (aka mettbrötchen) and you can't really spread 100% meat. It just doesn't work without the fat.
TuvixWillNotBeMissed@reddit
Not reading this. Minced means you use a knife.
MoobooMagoo@reddit
You mean like how a grinder works?
Fancy_Art_6383@reddit
Ask the foodies and the chefs next time google isn't always right. Or just check the third page.
Mince has been a fine chop/dice since forever (seen in a cookbook from the 1300's) that's how they make things like beef tartar. But due to semantic drift or the younger generations just confusing terms sometimes things blend together.
Location as you've stated has much to do with it like with macaroons often being a U.S. thing. Or I talked to an Asian guy over in r/eggs that kept using the term"omelette" when it in no way resembled one. His family or the region just used it as the go to term for the way they made eggs.
MoobooMagoo@reddit
Of course mince was finely chopped/diced in the 1300's. That's hundred of years before grinders were invented. Like...I don't want to be rude but please stop and use your brain for a second on that one.
Once grinders were invented some places started calling it ground meat and some places kept calling it minced meat. But it's effectively the same thing because, like you said, back in the day they used mince for finely chopped meat, and a grinder is essentially just a mechanical way of doing that faster. Although it does also mix things together so if people these days are using mince to specifically mean finely chopped by hand then whatever. But from at least 2000-ish on every cookbook, foodie, and authority in cooking used mince and ground interchangeably to refer to ground meat, and I know that because that's when I started teaching myself to cook. The OED even has the definition of minced as to cut up or grind, especially meat, typically in a machine with revolving blades (aka a grinder).
So if people want to use mince to specifically mean ultra lean ground meat then whatever, I can see the reason for that distinction. But if you think that ground meat and mince meat have always been different things then you're just factually wrong. It's literally the same technique, a grinder is just a mechanical way of doing it.
But regardless of all that, the German dish Mett is not ultra lean ground meat and never has been. It's fairly fatty pork ground up with spices.
And in case you're wondering, the distinction between macaroon and macaron is an American thing that has since spread to different places. They're both variations of the same Italian cookie, and they used to all be called macaroons. For a long time what are now known as macarons were called French macaroons, or sometimes Parisian macaroons. At least internationally, because the French spelling of macaroon is just macaron.
But the split for the two names being used for two specific types of macaroons happened in the US around twenty years ago when they became really popular in bakeries. It was easier and more efficient to just use the French spelling of macaron for the French style cookies, and so that became the popular way to refer to them across the US and then eventually the rest of the English speaking world.
Fancy_Art_6383@reddit
As to your rudeness about me using my brain cutting and chopping are a completely separate physical action than grinding.
The original grinder, a mortar and pestle clearly show this. And while they can be used in conjunction with cutting like a modern grinder. The main difference is pressure and high surface area versus an edge. A modern grinder might use a cutting blade to make the pieces smaller but the pressure of the extrusion process; hole size being a large factor means that a mince could always become a grind but the converse is never true.
MoobooMagoo@reddit
A grinder just produces a very, very fine mince. And yeah the pressure is part of how it gets as finely minced as it does, but it doesn't change the process at all. The blade in the grinder is still the thing that ultimately does the actually mincing. Without the blade the grinder would just...break. It's not like a grinder is pressurized, it just moves the meat forward into the blade. It honestly sounds like you just don't understand how a meat grinder functions. The fact that you compared it to a mortar and pestle kind of proves that, which yes is also called a grinder but no is not the same action as a meat grinder.
And I'm sorry if I'm coming off as rude but you really just aren't thinking your argument through. You're arguing that the traditional way Germans made mett was by finely chopping and dicing the meat. Which is true, but you have to do it until it's the same level of minced as a modern grinder will give you. Mett is spreadable and you can't spread cubed meat.
Steak tartare, since you brought it up before, is cubed but has it's consistency by binding it together with egg yolk. You can't make tartare in a grinder because a grinder will mince it too fine and it won't have the right consistency. You can make mett in a grinder because the consistency comes from the minced fat, not another ingredient. I'm only bringing this up because you brought it up in your first comment, and I feel like you might not actually know what mett is and maybe you think it's prepared the same way as tartare.
KayoticVoid@reddit
I would hope the grinders are getting properly cleaned. The kitchens I worked in tore them fully down and thoroughly sanitized them on the daily.
That said there was a fast food burger place I worked at that apparently never removed the dicer blade from the hand dicer to clean it. When I took it off to clean it it had green, pink, white and purple mold under it. I've never even seen purple mold before or sense. 🤯 So I guess you can't always trust people do their job right.
MoobooMagoo@reddit
It's not about cleanliness. Well it is, obviously if the grinder isn't clean that will be a problem. But it's also about density and water content.
The kind of bacteria that makes you sick can't really grow inside of beef easily because there isn't a ton of water, and the dense muscle makes it hard for bacteria to get in let alone multiply. So you generally only have to worry about the bacteria on the outside. But when you grind the meat, everything gets mixed around and that included all the bacteria that used to only be on the outside.
Pork is different because of trichinosis which is caused by parasitic worms that live in the muscle. Chicken is porous AND has a high water content, so it's really easy for bacteria to penetrate the meat and also makes it easy for cross contamination. On top of that a lot of poultry farms are lousy with salmonella so that's another reason why it's less safe to undercooked. Duck is just as susceptible to bacteria and cross contamination as chicken, it's just that duck tastes really good when undercooked so people make excuses for saying it's safer but it's really not.
That said, now that sous vide is more common it's a lot easier and safer to eat medium or rare poultry, chicken included. 165 is the temperature you have to cook it to because that will instantly kill harmful bacteria, so one second there and you're good. But if you hold a lower temperature for a long time, which is really easy to do with sous vide, you can safely eat medium rare duck or chicken without any worries. If for some reason you wanted medium rare chicken which is kind of gross if you ask me.
But again, all of this is about level of risk. If you have a healthy immune system you'll probably be fine as long as it's high quality and well regulated meat, regardless of how it's made. As long as it's handled properly, obviously.
KayoticVoid@reddit
I guess I misunderstood when you were saying not only worrying about the bacteria from the meat but also from the grinder.
But yeah, I think we're saying the same thing. Meat that has been ground should be fully cooked. That said, I do leave a bit of pink in my burgers sometimes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
FinalSnow9720@reddit
It's prepared kinda like tartar. You really want it to be as fresh as possible and then immediately add Salt and pepper and the onions. It's well seasoned and you can enjoy it withing the day.
Saltyhogbottomsalad@reddit
Well yes, but raw pork is generally less safe than other meats. It carries salmonella and trichinella.
KayoticVoid@reddit
Yeah, this is what I was always taught.
errihu@reddit
This is mett. It’s a German delicacy that is tightly controlled with heavy inspection of slaughter and preparation. It is not ground but minced by knife. There are very few cases of food poisoning when it is done by professionals.
IceCoughy@reddit
It all just seems so not worth the time and effort
robinrod@reddit
Which time and effort? To spread sth on a bun and cut some onions?
IceCoughy@reddit
No the processing of it
robinrod@reddit
How do you think meat in general is processed? Thats the bare minimum for any kind of meat that is sold in a civilised country.
KayoticVoid@reddit
I think they're imagining the caution that goes into making sure it's safe from bacteria means extra processing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
KayoticVoid@reddit
Thank you! I was like "my over a decade of working in food says this is a no..." But that makes sense. Not knowing of that dish, this looked to me like they just took ground pork for sausage patties and spread it on there.
errihu@reddit
It’s a special purchase from a butcher specifically for this dish if made at home, and in a restaurant the chef knows what s/he is doing
IceCoughy@reddit
It does look like a special occasion dish I mean it's beautiful
tinaoe@reddit
It’s actually a pretty regular meal, my dad used to basically have it daily back when he was bricklayer
robinrod@reddit
Maurermarmelade
robinrod@reddit
Its nickname is bricklayers marmelade, so typical everyday workingclass food/breakfast.
Seygem@reddit
it really isn't for special occasions. its just a regular bread/roll topping
xXAssmaster420Xx@reddit
You usually put Mett in the meat grinder, maybe some really good butchers mince it with a knife but it's definetely not the standard. Also it isnt different meat than the regular ground pork meat, only difference is that it's seasoned and it goes through the meat grinder twice instead of once.
Jlx_27@reddit
In border regions also avalible in The Netherlands.
Schemen123@reddit
No.. for pork its parasites they are nasty.
None issue in Germany as shit is monitored.
And then any miced meat you want to eat raw is basically made fresh or at the very least today from selected cuts.
KayoticVoid@reddit
Well, the fact that it has to be carefully monitored to make sure it's safe means that it is not just parasites you need to worry about. Again, I know they are the main concern with pork, just not the only one.
Sepelrastas@reddit
I remember when I was very young, like 4-5, my mom would let me taste the raw mixture for meatballs (breadcrumbs swollen with water, raw pork/beef mix ground, spices) before she made it into meatballs. Then one time my older sister, late teens, told her it wasn't safe and that was the end of that.
It tasted really really good though.
(And before anyone has a conniption, meat safety is a pretty big deal here. It was probably 99% safe - got to leave room for freak chance.)
KayoticVoid@reddit
For a healthy person with a decent immune system the meat would have to be old or a good amount of it. Generally speaking, a small taste test won't do anything, but it's still not recommended because, as you said, there is always some kind of chance.
FinalSnow9720@reddit
You can eat German eggs raw as well. And they don't even need to be stored in the fridge for the first 2-3 weeks.
16102020@reddit (OP)
Correct :)
xXAssmaster420Xx@reddit
Also wenn du dein Mett an der Fleischtheke oder beim Metzger holst ist das auf jeden Fall nicht so.
2ndhandBS@reddit
Coward!
Why_Cry_@reddit
Haha
xXAssmaster420Xx@reddit
No, unfortunately not. I'm german too and I always used to think that because most people just assume it I guess. Until I worked at the meat counter in a supermarket. It's literally just regular meat, the same one you grind to make the ground beef only difference is that you put seasoning in Mett and it goes in the meat grinder two times so it's a little bit more ground up than regular ground beef.
Schemen123@reddit
Eggs can be eaten raw in many places, just consume it asap.
WorriedMidnight3752@reddit
I mean tbf raw eggs are usually safe to consume regardless
VexTheTielfling@reddit
True it's like 1 in 20k eggs that may contain salmonella. I think chicken is much higher.
benjo1990@reddit
1 in 20k seems like pretty terrible odds…
WorriedMidnight3752@reddit
Not really, the odds of dying in a car crash is like 1 in 100 but most people still drive...
benjo1990@reddit
The odds of dying in a car crash is way different than the odds of getting in one…
VexTheTielfling@reddit
At some point I was eating 6per day. Not once did I ever piss grey water out my ass
WorriedMidnight3752@reddit
https://www.injurylawyers.com/blog/the-odds-of-dying-in-a-car-crash/
granted this is just in general over your lift you keep driving, but still...
kibasaur@reddit
You have to crash not just drive
WorriedMidnight3752@reddit
Ya, raw chicken is definitely not smart to consume, but like if you eat raw cookie dough you'll probably be just fine
TheRealDLH@reddit
Even then last I checked the thing that made people sick from raw cookie dough was not actually the eggs, but contaminated flour.
Koseoglu-2X4B-523P@reddit
I live un The Netherlands and have been eating raw eggs for over half a century. In mayo, in milk, with sugar as a hangover cure. Never bothered me a bit. And eggs are not washed over here.
Medusa-Lunula@reddit
It‘s quite a popular and kinda traditional meal here in Germany
Rustly_Spoons@reddit
I like eating my pufferfish raw and whole straight from the sea. All those neurotoxins make the experience quite delightful
Open_Youth7092@reddit
You ate that? You’ve got a big para…site.
DasHexxchen@reddit
Some countries have food laws that won't make you sick.
Mett is very controlled and safe in Germany, as are for example raw eggs in Germany and Japan.
Deucalion666@reddit
It’s still not worth it. You need to be lucky all the time. The parasite only needs to get lucky once. Also parasites don’t care for your food laws, and all it takes is one slip up.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
Millions of people eat this and are fine. Raw pork, chicken, and other animals can be safely consumed in the right scenario.
Deucalion666@reddit
“Raw chicken” well I know you’re a troll lol.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
Raw chicken is consumed in Japan. It isn't eaten as widely as raw pork is in Germany, but people definitely eat it.
Google torisashi
Deucalion666@reddit
Maybe you should google how many are given food poisoning from eating torisashi. Go away troll.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
I'm not a troll. I'm trying to share knowledge of cultural customs that you've clearly failed to learn. Not everyone in the world is exactly like the people you grew up with. People eat lots of different things.
Deucalion666@reddit
And some of those different things are stupid. “Cultural custom” or not, en-evolved is what it is.
robinrod@reddit
I guess a lot of your customs, culture snd traditions seem un-evolved to others aswell. Thats just how it is. Like lacking regulations to make food safe to eat.
Deucalion666@reddit
I’m not American, so nice try. We’ve got plenty of regulations, and one of them is to make sure that food is cooked properly.
Humans got to where they are by being able to use tools, and cooking the food we eat. Made the food more nutritious, which allowed our brains to develop more.
So yeah, eating raw meat is literally un-evolved behaviour. So I don’t care how safe or well regulated you think it is. All it takes is one mistake, one slip up, and you’re shitting out both ends.
robinrod@reddit
why would you be american? why nice try? wtf?
And while you are right that using fire to cook helped our brain development in ancient times, that has nothing to do with our food culture nowadays. trying to make a connection there makes no senese, since you can't un-evolve your brain from eating sth raw, once in a while, thats just stupid, sorry. there are plenty of foods you eat raw. with this logic you wouldnt be allowed to eat any meat that is not well done or any dessert with raw eggs (which are a lot).
Deucalion666@reddit
They how can you claim where I am lacks food regulations if you have no idea where I am?
Did I say exactly that you are “un-evolving your brain”? No. I DID say that eating raw meat is un-evolved however. Big difference.
robinrod@reddit
I never claimed that
Deucalion666@reddit
Yeah, that’s a straight up lie, isn’t it?
robinrod@reddit
Thats called an example. If you think that was about you, thats on you. I made no statement whatsoever where i claimed that it is like that where you are from.
Its also very common to eat tatar, sushi, steak and other fish and meat rare in a lot of cuisines, what you are claiming is totally out of touch.
Deucalion666@reddit
Ha! Suuuurrrrreeee it was.
Also, rare =/= raw.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
What a wild thing to say about the food of other cultures. Just blatant bigotry.
Deucalion666@reddit
It’s not bigotry to think eating raw meat is stupid. Even if I expressly said “I hate Germans because they eat raw meat” you’d maybe have a point, but you don’t. Nice try though.
abarcsa@reddit
For trichinoses in raw pork it is easy to google: both the US and Germany have 0.1 cases per million people. And millions of Germans consume raw pork, which is not done in the US. With strict regulation you can make it safe to eat, simple as that.
tinaoe@reddit
And iirc most of those cases are from wild boar which wasn’t tested for it
Deep_Violinist_3893@reddit
A lot safer than oysters
_ak@reddit
The fact that it‘s not a problem in Germany and that Mett continues to be popular shows that the law is incredibly effective.
Deucalion666@reddit
Do you seriously think you’re going to hear about every case of food poisoning? But I bet when you do, you automatically assume it could never be from mett as well. End of the day, I don’t care, and I think it’s stupid.
_ak@reddit
Germany doesn't care about your opinion and continues to enjoy their delicious Mettbrötchen. 🤷♂️
Deucalion666@reddit
Rich-Reason1146@reddit
The parasites will be facing a hefty jail sentence if they breach German food laws
16102020@reddit (OP)
🤣 No it’s strongly regulated in my country and it’s delicious
extra_rice@reddit
I had something similar in Brussels and I was very hesitant at first, but the staff in the sandwich place gave me a taster and I ended up liking it. It was more like a seasoned meat though and I imagine yours is like that too.
Open_Youth7092@reddit
Nice. TIL. Enjoy!
Zicke_ohne_Clique@reddit
This is called "Mett" and it's a popular delicacy in Germany. It's highly processed so you don't need to worry about parasites since food regulations in Germany are very very strict
RGBread@reddit
Big balls
Conscious_Play9554@reddit
Das Mett muss Doppel so dick wie der Brot-Träger sein!
Fockelot@reddit
I googled this and genuinely laughed reading this on Google translate:
The Mett must be twice as thick as the bread carrier!
Corona-@reddit
German here, this is a very accurate translation lmao. Mett is the spread shown in the picture, not sure that there is an actual english word, other than something like "raw ground beef/pork". I believe it is usually mixed 50/50 but i am not entirely sure as I don't eat meat.
man-4-acid@reddit
My favourite German word: Krankenwagon (Sick person vehicle aka ambulance)
TheNameless66@reddit
What about antibabypillen?
rj_6688@reddit
Look up Gürteltier. It’s an animal that wears a lot of belts. Or Nacktschnecke: a naked snail.
Alldaybagpipes@reddit
Lebensmittel (Living Means) aka Food
Correct-Award8182@reddit
Or Essen or a couple of others. I always read Lebensmittel as groceries. Lived in the east for a few years and was amazed how much more Polish it sounded than my Bavarian high school teacher taught. 8 years of classes I can't entirely forget
Conscious_Play9554@reddit
Bavaria isn’t part of Germany :P
Correct-Award8182@reddit
Regional accents. I lived in Berlin for a few years, the accents and influences are real.
Conscious_Play9554@reddit
Yes Berlin and Bavarian accents couldn’t be more different. If you live long enough, you find yourself adapting words and accents.
Correct-Award8182@reddit
I passed as Austrian so I was happy.
Conscious_Play9554@reddit
Acceptable 😃 btw, greetings and „Moin“ from a far northern Germany dude 😃
Alldaybagpipes@reddit
It can also mean utilities like electric/water
sean_incali@reddit
That seems to suggest Germans call a sick person kranken which I agree entirely
Conscious_Play9554@reddit
Some words are funny indeed when you think about it😂 but it makes sense, a sick-person-carrying-vehicle 🤓
man-4-acid@reddit
It is perfect. The German language makes so much sense to just join words while in English we make up totally new ones. I was working in Germany in my 20’s and picked up the vocabulary quickly…but the grammar, ugh. With no formal training nobody explained der di das to me so I had to try and relearn every word’s article. My friends just accepted that I spoke German like an idiot.
Conscious_Play9554@reddit
Understandable. There is even a saying amoung is Germans: „deutsche Sprache, schwere Sprache“
Translates to „Germans language, difficult language“
But we adapted some words from English vocabulary and in exchange for that you got words like „Kindergarten“ 😁
KRTrueBrave@reddit
I mean yeah... it's a Wagen for Kranke, Krankenwagen
Conscious_Play9554@reddit
Haha yea, German things 😁
anonuemus@reddit
und auf toast geht mal garnicht
Conscious_Play9554@reddit
Isso😤
16102020@reddit (OP)
Merke ich mir fürs nächste Mal 🫡
smellytreee@reddit
trichinosis ❤️ 💙💜
Dizzy-Initiative-985@reddit
In some 3rd world country like the US maybe
Conscious_Play9554@reddit
👍🏻😌
RaisinBrain2Scoups@reddit
Is it cured meat, at least?
16102020@reddit (OP)
No 😳
RaisinBrain2Scoups@reddit
Probably why my Frisian ancestors yeeted to England
robinrod@reddit
Would you prefer jellied eel over this?
Augustus420@reddit
Why do Germans and Ethiopian want to eat food like it's the early Paleolithic?
robinrod@reddit
I would prefer this over any well done burger.
16102020@reddit (OP)
Because it’s delicious
yaramye@reddit
Do you want worms? Because that's how you get worms.
robinrod@reddit
Not in Germany though. This shit is highly regulated here and consumed like air.
MabKaterberiansky@reddit
German activities
Nyllil@reddit
Except the toast is a crime...
ThugLy101@reddit
That's bread
Quiet-Election1561@reddit
German people call sandwich bread toast
ThugLy101@reddit
TdiL
robinrod@reddit
And it is not considered bread at all.
Electromagneticrite@reddit
Is bread just raw toast? 🤔
QuackerJJ@reddit
No, we Germans are kinda crazy about bread and one of the biggest gripes of Germans living in the states is the lack of good bread in stores (gotten better with the sourdough craze though)
ThugLy101@reddit
Their saying it's toast I'm saying it looked like bread as you said .... Nice big brain moment for you though
Electromagneticrite@reddit
I’m with you, looks like bread to me. Raw Pork + Raw Onion + Raw Toast /s
ThugLy101@reddit
Raw toast my man
Nyllil@reddit
You just committed a crime by calling it "bread".
ThugLy101@reddit
Should it be toast? Looks like bread to me looks nice though 😋
Nyllil@reddit
It's called Toastbrot, even if it's not toasted, but it's still an abomination with the word "brot" in it.
ThugLy101@reddit
Oh yeah forgot where I was posting looks shit
limonhotcheetos@reddit
Should be a punk band name
FondleMiGrundle@reddit
Sounds like a sex club.
MutantCreature@reddit
The Dead Kennedys to not approve
SirPurbz@reddit
Are you okay?
1Lurre@reddit
Not enough pork and onion, not enough salt pepper, not enough everything!!!!!
guilty_bystander@reddit
You like worms? This is how you get worms
NaCl_Sailor@reddit
the real crime is the toast
ElizabethDangit@reddit
That doesn’t look like toasted bread.
NaCl_Sailor@reddit
we just call that toast in Germany, because it isn't even bread.
Deep_Violinist_3893@reddit
It's not "food made of flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent, mixed together and baked."
NaCl_Sailor@reddit
that's a donut or a bagel, too
Deep_Violinist_3893@reddit
A bagel is a type of bread, although boiled with lye rather than banked. Donut is more of a confection and generally fried.
Definition aside, saying toastbrot is not bread is strange since, you know, it has the word bread in the damn name. I guess brotchen isn't bread either since it has the diminutive suffix modifying it.
ElizabethDangit@reddit
I guess being a Nazi about something that’s supposed to go in an oven is at least an improvement.
NaCl_Sailor@reddit
the fuck?
kibasaur@reddit
She was referring to the mett
SoberSeahorse@reddit
I too love tapeworms in my brain.
Deep_Violinist_3893@reddit
They eat this in Germany all the time and don't have a high incidence of issues. Amazing what happens when you live in civilization with regulations
SoberSeahorse@reddit
It’s specific pork. It’s just a cultural thing. It’s not deep sweet summer child.
Deep_Violinist_3893@reddit
All food is a cultural thing. Pork in Germany is regulated so eating raw pork there is fine unlike in our third world shit hole America (and even here the dangers of overcooked pork are kinda a carryover from the past given how actually rare trichinosis is).
If you want maga brain worms undercooked bearmeat is the move
SoberSeahorse@reddit
Well you should probably get on eating bear meat then.
Deep_Violinist_3893@reddit
Nah that's for inbred maga trash.
Technical_Piglet_438@reddit
Trichinosis, I'm so scared of that shit that I always overcook pork.
InterestingQuoteBird@reddit
That is why every pig slaughtered in the EU has to be tested, yay for consumer protection!
Perfect-Presence-200@reddit
Oof, that could be a rough meal. Hopefully, it’s diligently prepared.
Breadstix009@reddit
Pork is well known to be riddled with parasites
Deep_Violinist_3893@reddit
Not in most of the civilized world these days.
tinaoe@reddit
Which is why Mett is heavily regulated and tested over here in Germany
freinlk@reddit
Don't mean to sound ignorant, I know you can eat raw beef but I didn't know you can eat raw pork
Deep_Violinist_3893@reddit
You can eat whatever you want. What will happen afterwards is the question
TuvixWillNotBeMissed@reddit
It depends on where you live. I've had it in Germany, but I'm Canadian and we haven't had a case of trichinosis since 1982 I think. If prepared correctly it's perfectly fine.
16102020@reddit (OP)
Ye in Germany we do be like that
the_rainy_smell_boys@reddit
Achtung wormen
Specific-Advance-711@reddit
"You'll get used to German food"
Deep_Violinist_3893@reddit
As long as you like pork, potatoes, and no flavor.
Deep_Violinist_3893@reddit
God this gross shit made me gag every time someone brought it into the office in Germany.
FreshSent@reddit
I'm pretty sure it also equals a bacterial disease.
Miserable_Dream_9967@reddit
Maybe with good liquor
Senior-Book-6729@reddit
I love beef tartare with raw egg and onions and pickles etc but ngl I’d be a bit wary of raw pork. That said I’ve eaten brains before which is risky in itself.
lyndskl@reddit
ate this as a kid at my grandparents for christmas except it was raw beef. just wisconsin things 🤣
the-queen-of-bling@reddit
I feel like this should go into the toaster oven
Content_Study_1575@reddit
And pure trichinosis 😌
Notquitechaosyet@reddit
Lived in the US too long to be okay with raw pork 😬
I am very happy you have tasty Mett though.
breadpuddingl0ver@reddit
Trichinosis has entered the chat
sebsebsebs@reddit
I’ve always wanted to try things
Definitelymostlikely@reddit
I’m assuming it’s cured or something?
16102020@reddit (OP)
No
Definitelymostlikely@reddit
That’s crazy to me.
Raw meat from any kind of warm blooded animal is a very foreign concept to most Americans
16102020@reddit (OP)
What about Tatar?
Definitelymostlikely@reddit
Mmm fair point.
Though not many people around me are big on it lol
_ak@reddit
There are lightly cured versions available in supermarkets, but the trick is to just keep the cool chain at all times and eat it the same day it was ground, which is what‘s required by German law for meat that is consumed raw. Basically strict legal frameworks that are actually enforced are what make raw mince safe for human consumption in Germany.
Lazz_plays@reddit
Germans have some balls 😂 hard pass for me, too scared of having a worm 🪱 make a vacation spot out of my brain 🧠
Fancy_Art_6383@reddit
You're simply so pedantic I'm led to believe you're either neurodivergent or one of those people that always likes to be right or hear themselves talk.
The original meat grinders as the ones today used an auger, and then had hand crank to power the machine. I've used one have you?
Sadly it seems my comment about looking up "chop dice mince" seems to either have been ignored or shipped off into the ether. As well as working in a kitchen and a chef giving you commands for a mince. You've never worked in a professional kitchen have you?
As for mince being the proper word I believe the British nomenclature to no longer be relevant due to the invention of said grinder. The original ones didn't even cut the meat at all simply extruding it by the power of the auger and hand crank. Any cutting was done by hand as it is still done today to fit into the hopper.
You're hand picking your argument about the mortar and pestle and ignoring the difference between cutting and grinding, well done. Keep moving the goal posts!
I'm not arguing ANYTHING about German delicacies which I've eaten in the fatherland having lived many years just a short trip over their northern border. Have you?
And why are you just repeating what I said about tartare and the grinding process versus mincing??
Anyway thanks for the weird conversation. Enjoy the rest of your day and or evening! 👋
Obvious_Release_1@reddit
The shit doesn't even sound good and im baked af right now. If I saw one of my homies eating this shit...
I'd leave and start a rumor that I bagged his mom on a Friday while he was at work and that she offered the same shit to me afterwards
RUKiddingMeReddit@reddit
It's like tartare on meth.
Professional-Day7850@reddit
It is spelled "mett".
kibasaur@reddit
Be right back after shooting up some mett
Fancy_Art_6383@reddit
You clearly read some weird cookbooks maybe British.
But yeah a mince in the culinary world and a grind are two different things. You can finely mince until it becomes a grind or a paste if you want but if you really want to understand simply type in "chop dice mince" in Google and you can see the pictures of what it means since I can't post a link.
You and I might just be arguing semantics, but I have worked in several kitchens so my my personal work experience is if chef asks you to mince some carrots celery and onions for a sofrito he doesn't want you to put it into a grinder if he asks for a mirepoix for his chunky ragout he doesn't want a mince.
Responsible-Summer-4@reddit
Raw pork is a no no.
homelaberator@reddit
+Faith in government regulation
quantum_dragon@reddit
Why is reddit showing this to me? Anyway hope you enjoyed your trichinosis
tinaoe@reddit
Do me a favour and look up the rate trichinosis cases in Germany and then consider that you can buy raw pork bread rolls at basically every butcher and bakery
TheMasterFlash@reddit
Like, I know you can eat it like this…but why not cook it? It’s gotta be so much better with a little bit of color on there
tinaoe@reddit
Nahhh the texture and mild taste are what makes it good
bobo101underscor@reddit
hotpearlsnatch@reddit
are you anemic?
16102020@reddit (OP)
I don’t like Anime sorry
hotpearlsnatch@reddit
pretty sure the police get called if you say that on reddit
Lower_Mess_320@reddit
Why does your pork look like toast 😱
Boollish@reddit
Reminds me of a dish from Wisconsin called a cannibal sandwich.
I've eaten some really weird things in my life, but it's one of the few things I won't touch.
mallh0e@reddit
see this is my favorite especially during the holidays, but also year-round
Flimsy_Imagination86@reddit
Our butcher shop has the “you can eat this raw” ground beef out for holidays. My MIL eats it. I will not.
Boollish@reddit
See, beef tartare I'm ok with.
It's the "running beef through a meat grinder that may not have been cleaned and is not kept cold" that weirds me out.
tieme@reddit
Our butcher would clean the grinder and run a fresh batch through for raw beef sandwiches. Now that I don't have a butcher like that I grind my own. No way I'd ever use random supermarket ground beef for them.
Flimsy_Imagination86@reddit
I trust my butcher. I wouldn’t question their cleaning practices. And I’ll eat seafood/fish raw no problem. But something about raw terrestrial meat? Just weirds me out.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
Tried it. Not for me.
unabletocomprehendd@reddit
Fuck I love mett, I crave it so much when I’m not ik Germany
Relevant_Call_2242@reddit
Gross
ReefMadness1@reddit
Raw pork is a hell of a gamble
LustfulDemon999@reddit
Mmmmm ...pinworms.
Moist_immortal@reddit
I gagged respectfully
Edgimos@reddit
r/onionlovers
mshell1924@reddit
That's where I thought I was!
Farpafraf@reddit
would probably be good with actual bread.
Theme_Difficult@reddit
Tell me your Forchshden Skooner without telling me you’re Forchshden Skooner 😂 😂
sarahmegatron@reddit
I know this is a thing that is pretty normal in Germany, but there is no way I’d eat raw pork ever. It’s not just about the trichinosis fear, but also the texture and flavor of completely raw meat is so off putting to me.
UraniumDisulfide@reddit
=raw trichinosis
Wonderful-Hall-7929@reddit
Not the right bread ;-)
16102020@reddit (OP)
We are on shittyfoodporn 🫣 but I like it that way
ElizabethDangit@reddit
Is that the bagged white sandwich bread that influencers like to claim doesn’t exist in Europe?
SirCalvin@reddit
It exists in Germany but we call it toast and the bags usually have "American" branding i.e. stars and stripes
16102020@reddit (OP)
Lmao ye, my guilty pleasure
Wonderful-Hall-7929@reddit
There is shitty and there is a breach of the Grundgesetz ;-)
But you do you!
delano0408@reddit
Lol you know whatsup.
Wonderful-Hall-7929@reddit
Everything that's not hanging down!
PartySnackss00@reddit
I hate you, OP
16102020@reddit (OP)
In Germany Mettigel is a great party snack, please google it ❤️
CancerBee69@reddit
I hope you like losing weight via tapeworm
Medusa-Lunula@reddit
No tapeworm, it’s safe to eat (in Germany at least), called Mett and is a popular German meal/snack i.e. for parties
Baydestrians@reddit
Didn't know pork could be had raw. Always heard the contrary
Medusa-Lunula@reddit
It is safe here in Germany, it’s actually a quite popular meal for parties for instance
AccomplishedFan8690@reddit
Just cook it.
Medusa-Lunula@reddit
That’s the point, you don’t. You also wouldn‘t cook sushi.
jfk_47@reddit
This looks incredibly European
Medusa-Lunula@reddit
Cause it is, it’s a German meal, quite popular and traditional here
Luka_Vander_Esch@reddit
I tried this while very hungover in Koln a few years ago. Wasn’t terrible but would not recommend
AmthorTheDestroyer@reddit
Angemessen bezwiebelt, aber dramatisch untermettet
VisionAri_VA@reddit
Raw onion + raw pork + trichinosis.
lilacs_and_marigolds@reddit
Enjoy the trichinosis.
16102020@reddit (OP)
Not a worry
Pixelmanns@reddit
hell yeah
Correct-Award8182@reddit
It was always nice to be the American who could talk to the locals.
ComprehensivePie4441@reddit
I have had this before. It would probably taste better on brot or at least toasted bread.
Ok-Signature-9319@reddit
Thüringen?
automator3000@reddit
I prefer my cannibals with beef, but we all love what we love.
mudokin@reddit
Indeed shitty, onions are to large and tue bread needs to be replaced with a proper wheat bread roll. How dare you butcher a Mettbrötchen like that.
16102020@reddit (OP)
https://youtube.com/shorts/AvY1wRE_L8c?si=WJO1mXslZ_TMZ3Nq
No need for bread rolls
mudokin@reddit
Widerlich.
PERSONA-NON-GRAKATA@reddit
If the pork ain't long, then it's totally wrong.
Professional-Day7850@reddit
Eating raw human flesh is disgusting.
The-Final-Reason@reddit
I feel like we came far from ever having to eat like this again but enjoy.
Camcamtv90@reddit
Delicacy . Looks delicious
baka-dad@reddit
Raw Farts, raw Sharts
teaandbentley@reddit
Say hi to the roundworm for me
Don3310@reddit
Ewwww
AustinDream@reddit
Ah, ja.. Deutsch essen ❤️
Aggravating-Exit-660@reddit
That’s not halal
Various_Investment_2@reddit
Based on all the German, im gonna guess this is from there and is considered "yummy"?
Across the pond over here in Canada even the pig farmers wouldn't eat raw pig, we still have meat recalls regularly
TuvixWillNotBeMissed@reddit
Weird, I'm Canadian and my favourite hog man says it's fine to eat.
Various_Investment_2@reddit
2 things.
Jlx_27@reddit
Mett! Love it.
XxCroisssantsxX@reddit
It’s shitty cause you want it to be
TerrorKingA@reddit
I acknowledge and respect your culture.
I just can’t do raw meat. Our ancestors learned fire for this kind of thing.
sgnyc1983@reddit
Much more delicious on pumpernickel black bread.
frednekk@reddit
=❤️🔥
stutesy@reddit
This is why yall lost ww2. Your supply lines couldn't keep up with the raw pork needs
DustyMan818@reddit
german 🫵
PopeofFries@reddit
Geil
JapaneseBeekeeper@reddit
Had one of these today. Love it! ❤️🥰
DeGriz_@reddit
Eh, that’s just mett. Even as foreigner i could eat that. Not in my home country ofc.
GabrielBischoff@reddit
Where is the Brötchen for this Mett.
BigNero@reddit
The Jerries are back
timbo_slice59@reddit
GERMAN 🫵
Top-Comfortable-4789@reddit
Immediately knew you were German
Prestigious_Emu_5043@reddit
I bet you smell real nice after that
Infinite_Picture3858@reddit
MenacingMandonguilla@reddit
r/onionhate
Raw onions are GROSS.
AMDeez_nutz@reddit
Are you the person with parasites all over their body ?
Panja_@reddit
RFKJ?
Nonlethalrtard@reddit
Raw Feelings
currysauceisbest@reddit
Deutscheste kommentarspalte ever
AppealFit3401@reddit
A gastronomic catastrophe
YourAverageGod@reddit
Hitler ain't die for this bro
FlinnyWinny@reddit
Mett-Verbrechen 😔
KaXiaM@reddit
YUM!!!!
amani121@reddit
I just knew this was some German shit
Oxena@reddit
Mett is one of the best bread toppings. All hail Mett!
Financial_Status850@reddit
I’m you full of parasites
DrettTheBaron@reddit
I would call you German but you put it on toast so clearly you have no respect for bread :(
16102020@reddit (OP)
I am actually Slavic and we are animals
Massive-Entry-7916@reddit
Ist das zwiebelmett ? Ab ins Gefängnis
floryan23@reddit
Ob die Zwiebeln jetzt im Mett sind oder oben drauf ist auch egal
Massive-Entry-7916@reddit
Normales Mett kann man theoretisch braten. Machst du das mit zwiebelmett hast du pinken schleim
I-am-fun-at-parties@reddit
Erst Mett gatekeepen aber dann...Mett braten....
16102020@reddit (OP)
😭😂
Massive-Entry-7916@reddit
Klar, falls was übrig ist am nächsten Tag
Technical-Exchange26@reddit
Isn't there a possibility of parasites in raw pork?
16102020@reddit (OP)
Pretty much no here in Germany, heavily regulated
Proof-Medicine5304@reddit
i'm sure it's delicious as lots of folk eat it, but i just don't think i have the stomach for raw pork
on_spikes@reddit
Krigsguru@reddit
Mettbrötchen! Im curious to try it but im too scared
gluttonusrex@reddit
I saw this in a Youtube short lol
kawiz03@reddit
liesjelotjeliesje@reddit
The only shitty part is the cut of the onions imo
CCLB43@reddit
Heathen
Retsameniw13@reddit
I’m going to block you now. So gross ..lol
16102020@reddit (OP)
No 🥹
Electronic-Hope-1@reddit
Mettbröchen!
casstax96@reddit
I would try this.
Staveoffsuicide@reddit
Why not just throw it in the toaster or something?
WillingnessNew533@reddit
I love this. My mother would make sarma and i would always eat the meat before she rolled it in cabbage.
Hu_der_Barbar@reddit
auf nem scheiß toastbrot.
das arme mett
OpeningDull5969@reddit
I love mett
Zicke_ohne_Clique@reddit
Mett ❤️