Are there any downsides to Slovenia?
Posted by Plassy1@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 203 comments
Time and time again Slovenia is lauded as one of the finest countries on Earth. However, no country is perfect, not even those in Scandinavia or parts of the Anglosphere.
What would you say a downside to Slovenia is? I refer to serious but minor things of course - I do not seek to slander.
Wise_Ambition2683@reddit
I traveled around Slovenia this year, and it really is as beautiful as people say. The only minor downside I noticed was that things can get pricey in peak season, and getting between smaller towns without a car isn't always convenient. Otherwise, it's an amazing place to explore.
Upstairs_Teaching729@reddit
I spent some time traveling through Slovenia and honestly loved it - super clean, friendly, and easy to get around.
Timauris@reddit
Traffic in general sucks.
Intelligent-Gas-9523@reddit
yes
Lakuriqidites@reddit
How tf can the traffic suck in a developed country where the biggest city has 300.000 people?
I mean we have our problems with traffic in Tirana and during the weekend the highway entrance from Elbasan to Tirana, but that is pure incompetence and lack of planning rom the Authorities.
Same-Alfalfa-18@reddit
People in Slovenia expect that they will doo 100 kms in less than hour. And than they complain.
Also tolls are too cheap, so many people drive to work 100km away every day.
SeaworthinessWide172@reddit
Albania Number of Registered Vehicles was reported at 804,005
Over 1.7 million road vehicles were registered in Slovenia
Looking at city numbers is almost nonsensical, often they're down to how the administrative border is drawn. Ljubljana easily has over 500k people trough the day, probably closer to 600k. That's also what the 'metro' are is estimated at.
Then keep in mind that Slovenia is a major east-west and north-south crossroad that connects eastern Europe with the Adriatic and Central Europe with the Balkans which brings a lot of traffic.
Timauris@reddit
Position on the main transit routes across Europe
Carbrains all over the place
Shitty public transport (related to point number 2)
30 years of systematic neglect of the rail infrastructure (also related to point number 2)
Ladz95@reddit
Imo probably only downside is shortage of apartments. Thus making their price quite big
Intelligent-Gas-9523@reddit
yes
Denturart@reddit
Also a big shortage of workers (though of the lowest unemployment rates in Europe is also a good thing).
Cheydinhal-Sanctuary@reddit
Are there asian workers in Slovenia like in Croatia?
telescope11@reddit
not nearly as many as we do
SeaworthinessWide172@reddit
Yes, some have started appearing but its still mostly ex-yugoslavs immigrants.
VentsiBeast@reddit
Why aren't there construction investors building more apartment buildings?
tamzhebuduiya@reddit
Because of the hard regulations, Slovenia is not classical Balkan countries that you can build anywhere and anything, there is strong rules and high taxes that investors are following and paying.
Bardosaurus@reddit
I actually really like this, no ugly out of place buildings that get built in weird places (looking at you, Belgrade)
VentsiBeast@reddit
I understand, but 5000+ euro per sq.m. is insane price. We're speaking millions of € profit per a small building with 15-20 apartments. Surely people would find a way to obey all regulations, no?
SeaworthinessWide172@reddit
zoning laws are shit, there are literally still farms within Ljubljana highway ring. There's cabbage fields between neighbourhoods and dumb shit like that.
VentsiBeast@reddit
So there's a shortage of good land to build and the government refuses to change the farmland to housing?
SeaworthinessWide172@reddit
I don't know how much you can blame the government vs the municipalities but essentially yes. You have land designated as farm land and can't build on it, end of story.
Case in point, the red area to the left is the most densely populated neighbourhood in Ljubljana with \~12k people living in \~1 sq kilometer. Top right is another similar neighbourhood with some 20k people which is the 2nd most densely populated neighbourhood in Ljubljana.
The yellow areas are literal farmlands and you can't build anything there. If you travel west (to the left) for 1-2 kilometer you reach the literal city center.
Ladz95@reddit
Have no clue, i dont live in Slovenia anymore
stoopsi@reddit
They are but it's all elite expensive apartments.
eboran123@reddit
Short answer: bureaucracy.
bravo_six@reddit
Shortage of apartments and high prices of apartments compared to living standards can be applied to lots of places in Europe. Croatia suffers a lot from it, it's becoming a problem in BiH.
Pozaa@reddit
Yes, have average ambitions and earnings otherwise you will pay a shitload of taxes. Slovenia is a dreamcountry for an average Joe, provided they get a house or a flat passed on by relatives. Otherwise you won't be able to buy it anywhere near the capital.
Substantial_Raise914@reddit
This.
If I was smarter as a young Slovenian, I would get a shitty job or no job, apply for state apartment and get a better job later in life. Instead I really worked hard, so I now have a good salary, but I give almost half of my pay to social programs that I don't have access to. Real estate prices are so ridiculous that the more money I save, the more absurd it seems to me that I would give someone so much cash for a shitty flat (speaking for the capital). But to have access to good jobs (I can only say for my profession) you have to be near the capital. And I'm not willing to spend 2-3 hours a day on the road.
Intelligent-Gas-9523@reddit
yes
edophx@reddit
2-3 hours on the road? Are you driving internationally?
Substantial_Raise914@reddit
1 hour to get to the capital. 1 hour back home. Including regular traffic jams, a person from Celje (70km away from Ljubljana) can spend 3h a day in a car (1,5h x 2).
edophx@reddit
Thank you, I had to google the directions, I am amazed it takes that long.
starwars_supremacy@reddit
Yeah traffic is awful, especially when going to ljubljana.
Intelligent-Gas-9523@reddit
yes
VentsiBeast@reddit
I've heard flats in LJ are 5 to 10k euro per sq.m.
Pozaa@reddit
You can get a 50 year old flat for a bit over 4k probably. Maybe less but it would probably really shitty. New constructions are 5500 and up
kelso66@reddit
Do you mean 400k? If not that's insanely cheap
Pozaa@reddit
4k per square meter. 400k for a 100m2 50 year old flat withou parking is cheap? Besides, not many 100m2 flats in Ljubljana, most are like 60-70m2.
Considering you are Belgian (due to your avatar) you must realise that our take home pay is VASTLY lower than in Belgium. Average salary is 1400-1500 netto here.
I think they did some calculation not long ago which showed that average earner in Ljubljana would need cca. 160 monthly nett salaries in order to afford a 2 bedroom flat. And the situation has been deteriorating for the last 10 years (excluding covid years)
peacokk16@reddit
Average is 1500, whereas the median (geometric middle) lies at 1200.
kelso66@reddit
No you misread, I said IF NOT than it's cheap, so 4k for a flat. You didn't specify it was per square meter, so I thought it was a typo.
Pozaa@reddit
Sorry, thought you saw the comment before mine, where it said per square meter :)
VendetaBereta@reddit
In Serbia it's around 3k+ and our average is 800 lol
Pozaa@reddit
Yeah, even shittier...
VendetaBereta@reddit
Exactly 😩
GoodZealousideal5922@reddit
It is per square meter
kelso66@reddit
That makes more sense
A_scary_monster@reddit
You know that doesn’t sound too bad
Pozaa@reddit
Tragic for me, could be good for you. It's all about ambitions and where you want to get in life.
chunek@reddit
Traffic on A1, the highway to the Adriatic, is just a nightmare every year from Spring till Autumn. It seems like half of Europe drives through Slovenia to Croatia.
It is too centralized, Ljubljana is a small city for 300k people, but every working day the population rises to 500k, so there is a lot of traffic jams when people go to work and from work. Also, the city is kinda trashy. It is really picturesque in the old town center, it gets ugly really quick, once you leave the tourist areas. Very poor urban planning, etc.
Politicians are trash, but that will likely forever be the case. Not sure if it is better this way, or to have someone who seems (suspiciously) perfect. We also have a lot of "forever" politicians, people who get entrenched in their positions, like the mayor of Ljubljana. Obviously corrupt, but hard to get rid of. Another hard to remove stain in our politics is the leader of the biggest rightwing party, Janez Janša, an ex communist, turned independence fighter, turned bitter Don Quixote fighting imaginary "uncles from the background" aka the deep state. He is incredibly toxic and polarizing, surrounded in his party by yes-men.
We don't have enough doctors and medical staff. The whole sector is underpaid. Teachers are underpaid too, and overworked.
Currently there is a big problem with Albanian immigrant children, having problems with learning our language - which makes it harder to integrate, get a job down the line, etc. and ofcourse, I think it is in both of our interest, that they do integrate. Many do, but many also have problems.
For foreigners, it's not easy to make friends. People have their groups that they stick to since middle school and college, and sometimes these overlap, but they rarely expand. This is not a problem for Slovenes, but I have heard that immigrants often have issues, no matter where they come from. This is also why, immigrants tend to form their own friend groups, which then likely makes it harder for them to integrate.
Our trains suck and too little is being done about it. People avoid trains because they suck, and the government avoids investing in trains because people don't use them. It's stupid. Just having trains going to Ljubljana, would solve a lot of traffic issues. But my dream is to build a train that could carry cars, so that vacationers could use a train from Austria to Croatia and not clog our roads every year for half a year.
We have a pollution problem, especially central Slovenia which is a big basin. People burn wood, cars created smoke.. and it all stays in the air during winter, because it cannot escape due to geography.
Otherwise it's kinda nice. Some complain about taxes, but I think they should just be used more efficiently. It could always be worse, or better.
Intelligent-Gas-9523@reddit
yes
Hrevak@reddit
Slovenia being too centralized is a stupid false mantra being repeated endlessly by "kmetavzarji". Most countries in Europe and around the world are even more centralized, everyone everywhere gravitates towards the cities, but only in Slovenia we have to listen to this stupid constant whining about it.
chunek@reddit
Most countries are not Slovenia, and Ljubljana is definitely overcrowded. Also, just because others have made a mistake, we don't have to follow them.
Are you from Ljubljana by any chance? I lived there for 20 years, grew up there, went to school, etc. It was a great time, but I also see the city decaying now.
It is without a real vision of developing specialized districts, fast and efficient public transporation to the outskirts or nearby towns, taking care of its old historic buildings.. the city has become a playground for the Vučić loving gangster mayor. We need to get rid of him and then maybe Ljubljana has a chance of becoming a great city that would deserve being in the centre.
Indirect name calling only makes you look a coward who doesn't have anything to say. And no, it's not only in Slovenia, where people living in the city sometimes have a superiority complex and see everyone else as stupid "kmetavzar".
auerz@reddit
Trains are getting a lot of funding, the problem is the railways are run by traditionalists who oppose all change. The tracks are being fixed, stations updated, signalling improved, new track built, old track electrified, we have had a huge update to the rolling stock both for passenger and freight transport - but they still cling onto the old line system where you have tons of local trains but very few direct regional or intercity trains. Also apparently a lot of the regulations are also strict, result in unnecessary delays.
chunek@reddit
My grandmother used to go to work in Ljubljana by train from Vrhnika. The line was shut down in 1966, and today, this train would be a life saver, if done right.
Am I a traditionalist for loving this idea? Regulations need to be strict, otherwise it's chaos and everyone does whatever they want. But the funding part is problematic, I don't know how much means a lot, but it doesn't look like things are being improved at a good rate. I can think of only the station in Rožna Dolina, that looks good. Hopefully they will do the main station in Ljubljana justice, to become a foundation for future plans.
DekadentniTehnolog@reddit
As a croat I love Vrhnika. Great pub in the center. Told my girlfriend we will go there once to show her around. Ah miss that place.
chunek@reddit
If you mean the HumanFish Brewery, it has been unfortunately closed. But the town still has its charm.
When you come for a visit, hike up the Planina, there is a tower on top from where you can see Ljubljana. And during Carnival season, in February and March, Berzo makes some of the best krofi in the whole country. But in general, it is nicer when its warm and green.
DekadentniTehnolog@reddit
Will do! Thank you. Yeah HumanFish and cafe Viale (?) or how its called. It is interesting you that mentioned carnival. Vrhnika has been giving me Samobor vibes, and Samobor is famous for its carnival and krafne.
chunek@reddit
Viale caffe is still open and operating, yes.
I just googled Samobor, never been there, but it looks very familiar and cosy. Reminds me of a lot of Slovenian towns, like Kamnik, Žužemberk, Črnomelj.. Need to make a trip some day, to Karlovac, Samobor, Varaždin, to see how good your štrudla and krafne are. Perhaps during Fašnk season.
auerz@reddit
No, traditionalist in the sense that the line scheme used by the railways is obviously not functioning well. There is way too many local trains and not at all enough regional and intercity trains. On top of that there are regulations such as max forces that passengers are to feel in turns which are apparently excessively conservative for non tilting trains - meaning trains take turns significantly slower than in other countries. There are also signalling issues which holds up trains.
The result is huge delays, uncompetitive travel times, and the public opinion often not considering trains a reasonable option to travel.
The entire line from Maribor to Ljubljana is being significantly updated, most stations being upgraded, the entire track from Pragersko to Hodoš was updated, Kočevska proga was reopened for passenger travel, the track to Jesenice is going to be upgraded, the new track to Koper is being slowly finished etc.
chunek@reddit
You seem like a real cool person to talk about trains over a couple of beers. Good to hear that at least something is being done, but it will be even better when we can finally see it done and working. Thanks for the explanation.
Basiliscus219@reddit
"Our trains suck and too little is being done about it. People avoid trains because they suck, and the government avoids investing in trains because people don't use them."
Wtf are you talking about? There has been record investment from both previous and this government into buying new trains and building infrastructure.
The trains themselves don't suck, the problem is the infrastructure that has been neglected for 50 years and has only now in the last 7 years started to get funding. There's second line from Ljubljana to Koper under construction and will be fully operational in 2030. There's numerous little projects under construction across the country. And then there's the biggest project currently, the new Ljubljana railway and bus station, started construction.
Billions of € have been spent in the last couple of years on railways, trains and infrastructure.
chunek@reddit
What am I talking about? It is too slow to get anywhere, compared to car, and its rarely punctual. It sucks. The trains themselves, as in actual wagons? Nothing special, old but in a working condition.
The infrastucture has been neglected, indeed, and that's what has been dragging trains down, when it comes to being a viable daily option for moving around, like going to a job without having to plan it and waste extra time when the train is late.
Where do the billions spent show? All I know is they are building "Drugi Tir", that would connect Koper and Divača. Which is a step in the right direction, but still far from what it could be, across the whole country.
Ljubljana-Koper line sounds cool, and the Ljubljana railway and bus station.. it is high time for a renovation and upgrade. A lot of stations need renovations, or a straight replacement. But first, the trains need to be a viable alternative to cars.
xpepcax@reddit
Mostly because cargo trains that wanna go from Koper port tovards the middle europe
Necessary_Doubt_9058@reddit
There already exists a car train from Austria to Croatia, I don't think it's ever going to be that popular or affordable
chunek@reddit
Do you mean the Nightjet from Vienna to Split?
I was thinking more Klagenfurt-Split maybe, or even better, Salzburg-Split. Vienna is too far to the east for a lot of Germans and Dutch, etc.
But maybe you are right, I don't know how expensive it is. I also don't know what the alternative could be. We can't just make another lane on the highway, and then another lane, and another lane.. We also can't raise the Vignette price, it is already very expensive and it is the same price for everyone, tourist or local.
SoftwareSource@reddit
Literally the same problems in Croatia, except all the highways are clogged spring through fall.
Intelligent-Gas-9523@reddit
The rental housing system is broken.
Immediate-Gap9663@reddit
The scientific/academic field is still limited in its focus.
zdubargo@reddit
Many aspects of the culture. I’m half Slovenian with a Serbian name, and the amount of shit I got from ‘pure blood’ Slovenians as a child for being a ‘čefur’, despite being culturally completely Slovenian, made me quite resentful and distant from the country, which I no longer live in. It can be quite toxic.
Substantial_Raise914@reddit
I'm sorry you had this experience. :/
zdubargo@reddit
Not to say that many Slovenians aren’t great people! At the end of the day, I know many amazing Slovenians, I speak the language, and objectively, the country is phenomenal.
I just felt that a place where it’s culturally acceptable to have a feeling of superiority over someone who is very similar to you, just because their surname ends with -ić, isn’t necessarily for me. I thought that this was a thing of the past, but after visiting for the first time in a decade, I saw the same behaviour from the natives.
Many Serbs/Croats/Bosniaks in Slovenia may come across as unsavoury so to say, but many are also great people who are fully integrated in Slovenian society, and don’t deserve the hate.
mrmax1389@reddit
Despite of that, they are proud of basketball players like Goran Dragić who doesn't have slovenian ancestors or Luka Dončić with serbian father. Really strange.
MindControlledSquid@reddit
Dafuq? His mother is literally Slovenian.
Substantial_Raise914@reddit
I'd say you are correct about Slovenian superiority complex. I can confirm this from what I see on one part of my family (mostly events). After nice hanging out, someone (right wing boomer) always brings out politics, and how balkan people are taking our social benefits, are lazy, uncivilized and more from that kind of mantra. I personally hate it. Even more so because I consider these people as regular rednecks who think of themselves as classy. I am also familiar with the making fun of -ić surnames.
I never really thought badly of other ex-yu people, but I did feel some attitude from them after they learned I'm a lesbian. Also homophobic remarks, before I told them about me. Then they stopped lol. I can clearly see that they have way more conservative upbringing in regards to this and roles of men and women in society.
But I must tell one personal observation from what I experienced as a former technologist in a manufacturing firm. Bosnians (there were very little Serbs/Croats in the team) really stuck to themselves and didn't let anyone in from other ethnic groups. For example, when Ukranians came to Slovenia and looked for jobs, the Bosnians gave them a really hard time. Some actually quit because of the toxic environment.
zdubargo@reddit
It’s the classic anti-immigration stuff, doesn’t surprise me. These people won’t change their mind.
Do bear in mind that SRB/BIH/HR diaspora always tend to be more conservative than their counterparts back home. Especially if they come from small towns, villages, or from working class backgrounds (which most of them are) and seeing that they’re trying to ‘preserve’ their identity in what they may see as a ‘hostile’ environment, this will reflect on their social and cultural values. Hence, the blasting of turbo folk music, lack of interest in learning Slovenian etc. Add to it, ofc, that these countries were always more religious, traditionalist and conservative - even in ex-Yu times, the main jokes about Slovenians were that they’re stingy and gay. I think lack of integration is something that should be criticised, but I believe that by labelling everyone in the same way, the outcome is resentment and alienation (as was in my case, I moved from Slovenia to Serbia as a child with my family and never felt like going back).
As for the work environment cliques, I guess that happens with most immigrant communities. Definitely see it in the UK with Indians for example. The native language, no trust in the ‘other’ etc. leads to themselves self-segregating in a way, I suppose.
Substantial_Raise914@reddit
Yeah, I see your point and agree. I also tend to say to my folks, that people that do cheap labor abroad are usually not the representative of all people in that country. And if they see their lives as so blissful, they can always quit their job and go work in manufacturing firms for low wages and rent for the rest of their lives.
I can say that younger people in the cities are waaay less hateful or not at all towards ex-yu immigrants. Because we actually grew up with them, so we saw these stereotypes were BS quite soon. But, you will never change the mind of a right wing boomer, who watches propaganda tv all day. So there goes.
"the main jokes about Slovenians were that they’re stingy and gay." Haha this made me laugh. I can imagine this to be true, because we see Serbs/Bosnians as trying too hard to be macho XD. My good Bosnian friend laughed at me because I brought my yoga mat and sustainable yoga pants to Sarajevo when I went for a visit. I do like a good stereotype turning out to be true haha.
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
Unfortunate, but I can tell you this isn't bizarre. Some of my previous coworkers were immensely bullied for being Bulgarian and Romanina of ethnicity in Serbia and developed a great dislike for Serbs. Here in Croatia, I've never heard anyone comment on my Albanian or Serbian descended friends whatsoever, but there were never any Serbs nor Albanians here historically.
zdubargo@reddit
That’s the first time I hear about Bulgarians and Romanians being bullied by Serbs, honestly. As for Serbs in Croatia, there were many historically (and recent history even), not so many anymore.
theDivic@reddit
Because it didn’t happen
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
It did. Both my coworkers expensively complained about ethnic harassment. Given Serbia's extreme ultranationalism, I'm not surprised. Both from east and south Serbia.
theDivic@reddit
Ethnic harassment and ultranationalism towards Romanians? They are literally the only neighbor we have good relations with most of our history.
Bulgarians are the are the most common tourists in Serbia if you exclude Russians (they are not tourists, they are avoiding the war).
I can believe that your friends had a bad experience in Serbia, obviously there are idiots here who could’ve discriminated against them but I find it funny that you used this example, because there is next to no hate towards these two nations here.
Fear_mor@reddit
I mean maybe this is a regional thing, but like I don’t think it’s representative of Serbian society as a whole
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
These are ethnic Romanians on ybulgarians but they speak Serbian, it's their ethnic background that is the catalyst, and it isn't bullying its ultranationalist racism and hatred.
zdubargo@reddit
I know ethnic Romanians in Serbia, in fact I have family. I have never heard of them being subject to ultranationalist racism and hatred, and frankly, I’ve never heard of anything similar
RustCohle_23@reddit
Serbs bullying Bulgarians and Romanians? What? Or more importantly - for what? Basketball?
Teodosij@reddit
People don't need a concrete reason to bully those who are different, ethnically in this case. Bulgarians in Serbia have it rough
zdubargo@reddit
Many Serbs in Serbia have it rough. Can you please elaborate on how do Bulgarians in Serbia have it rough, other than that they happen to live in the least developed areas of the country where Serbs live equally as badly?
Teodosij@reddit
I was picked on for having a Bulgarian looking name as a kid in Serbia, even though I didn’t identify as Bulgarian at the time. I saw the same thing happen to kids from Dimitrovgrad and Bosilegrad - if your surname ends in -ov or -ev, you automatically get called "tuta" by all your peers, and the history professor with a portrait of St. Sava in his office will constantly provoke you.
This is small stuff, of course. The Serbian state has been working diligently to assimilate the Bulgarians in the Western Outlands since the late 19th century, and they’re only one or two generations away from total success.
zdubargo@reddit
You see, you call internationally recognised territory of Serbia as ‘Western Outlands’, what can I say further. Trust me, Serbia has far bigger problems than assimilating the few Bulgarians who live here.
As for your name, yes sure you were made fun of - I was made fun of for not being able to pronounce ‘ć’ and ‘č’ properly (thankfully fixed that) and for being Slovenian, my best friends do it to this day. It’s childish banter and happens in schools, especially in ethnically homogeneous places like Serbia. This is really minor compared to the shit you get as a Serb/Bosniak/Croat in Slovenia, where there is a dedicated slur for you, predefined negative ethnic stereotypes passed on by parents and parroted by some politicians and immediate association with something negative.
Teodosij@reddit
This is why no one likes you.
zdubargo@reddit
What is that supposed to mean? Is that your only argument?
Teodosij@reddit
You didn't present any arguments, so yes, that's my only response
zdubargo@reddit
That it’s to be expected to be teased if you’re different in ethnically homogeneous societies? Is this language a bit too difficult for you to understand, so you immediately turn to hate?
Teodosij@reddit
Jadan si Srboljube
zdubargo@reddit
Duvaj ga bugaromanu lmao
Teodosij@reddit
🐽🐽
zdubargo@reddit
Šalješ sliku sebe i devojke?
Jakovit@reddit
Prvi Makedonac kog sam video u životu da mrzi Srbe. Neverovatno
zdubargo@reddit
Vidis da je Bugarin vise nego Makedonac. Opet i s Bugarima sam imao ok iskustva generalno, al ovo je reddit gde svaka glava moze da lupa gluposti bez konsekvenci, jbg
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
I'm from Croatia and it takes me a mere ten minutes to go into Slovenia where the people speak the exact same dialect as I do without issue I was never called any slurs.
zdubargo@reddit
Yeah bc you’re basically identical to them, sure they wouldn’t discriminate
Bardosaurus@reddit
That’s crazy, we had a girl whose dad was Macedonian, in school, and we never picked on her. We always thought it was awesome she could speak both Serbian and Macedonian and we asked her to share the swear words in Macedonian to see if they are the same. Idk when you had troubles tho, this was about 15 years ago
Teodosij@reddit
Yeah, girls usually have it better in this regard. We had a Ukrainian girl in my school, and I don't remember her ever being harassed for being Ukrainian. All the non-Serbian boys weren't so lucky :D
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
I believe one of my two coworkers at a job that I left a year ago was from Dmitrovgrad. The other one was at the Romanian border in a Romanian village. Both agreed that they faced immense ethnic harassment.
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
I've never lived in Serbia I've only visited Vojvodina without problems, but have heard on numerous occasion how the southern half of Serbia has immense ultra nationalism problems and that many people of ethnic backgrounds of minority have been accosted on account of their background. And these lamentations are very intense and I have zero doubt that these people are not lying.
Jakovit@reddit
Vojvodina has the literal opposite stereotype today due to Bosnian Serb refugees and immigrants who are stereotypically more nationalistic than Serbian Serbs. Meanwhile Niš and the surrounding region is considered chill.
Also, while there might have been conflicts with Bulgaria in the past, there were virtually zero conflicts with Romania historically. I don't know why anyone would be harassing a Romanian, when Romania is considered the "good" neighbor.
Also, many people from Niš and the surrounding region have "mixed" descent. My own ancestors from that region had a "Bulgarian" surname though according to my grandparents also from there, they never identified as Bulgarian. The people there literally speak languages or dialects that are like a pidgin mix of Serbian and Bulgarian. All nationalities are fake, but Balkan nationalities are especially fake, due to how late they developed.
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
According to what was said by my coworkers which were two one was ethnically Bulgarian and the other guy was ethnically Romanian both living in East and South Serbia respectively, they were a cast of several times by ethnic Serbs on account of their ethnic background in both professional life and in their youth. They lamented quite extensively about this.
theDivic@reddit
What?
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
I live in North Croatia, I know for a fact that areas of Croatia that were historically populated by Serbs have much greater degrees of ethnic resentment. Here where I live which is what I meant there were never any Serbs and thus we don't have any issues with them nor any population of note.
Fear_mor@reddit
I live in Osijek and I find the complete opposite situation, people from say Zagreb give way more of a shit about Serbs than anyone I’ve met here
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
Don't know, I'm not from Zagreb but north Croatia.
no-cars-go@reddit
Huh? I'm part Croatian and whenever I go back to visit my family there, I hear offensive shit about the Serb/Montenegrin part of my ethnicity.
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
I'm from north Croatia, no Serbs here now or historically except occasionally someone of partial descent.
Ikakumon96@reddit
Change your meds.
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
That's right no Serb ever engaged in ultranational racism, not at all a quality that is specifically driven some of the core political ongoings in Serbia in the last 50 years.
Ancient-Drawing1212@reddit
Too calm and boring at times
starwars_supremacy@reddit
Well one major problem has been the dentists for me. Im currently in the process of curing the root canal and putting in a filing, in slovenia i called multiple places and the prices ranged from 250 to 450 euros for a single cannal.
I contacted a clinic in croatia a city that is a 30min drive from me, and guess what, 120 all together.
It would literally be cheaper for me to go to serbia, get the dental work done, and get back to slovenia.
I've lived about 3 years in Koper, and i must say, i can't wait to move soonish. It's very hard for foreign students to get non seasonal jobs, and it's even harder to find an apartment that is below 600 and has a washing machine or even internet, and they will most likely kick you out during the summer so they can rent to tourists for 2x or 3x more money. But that is not slovenia specific, just cant wait to move to maribor or maybe just go to austria to finish my uni.
Otherwise it's a lovely country, with nice people and clean streets. I just dont have the time to experience it fully due to uni and work.
Ha55aN1337@reddit
Small market. If you want to sell a product that requires million+ customers… you’re fucked. And if you want to create in your own language, you are limited to an audience of 2mil.
Jealous_Answer_5091@reddit
EU
Ha55aN1337@reddit
The EU doesn’t speak Slovenian. If you write a book, about 1-1.5mil people in the world will know how to read it. That is your audience cap. Same with movies, shows, little less with music, but still. Anything nieche is doomed to fail, because it is not even a market big enough for the mainstream things.
GrandRelationship362@reddit
Cuisine.
ExactTreat593@reddit
Mh, as an Italian I remember it being fine like every other Balkan cuisine!
Jealous_Answer_5091@reddit
But in slovenia, crossroad between italia amd balkan, you can get pizza-burek.
Smrekovasmola@reddit
we dont have balkan cousine. we have central european cousine
eli99as@reddit
Lol
GrandRelationship362@reddit
Just google “slovenian cuisine” and “serbian/croatian/bosnian cuisine”, you will see the difference
eli99as@reddit
There are obvious differences between all countries in the region. Many have both central and balkan influences. Saying slovenain cuisine is "central european cuisine" is cringe coping
GrandRelationship362@reddit
Man, I don’t think, that “central european cuisine” is better than balkan or south european, on the contrary, it is not a compliment.
eli99as@reddit
Still, Slovenian cuisine undoubtedly has balkan elements.
Smrekovasmola@reddit
What balkan elements? We have lived under austria for 1000 years. Our cuisine is nothing like serbian, but very much if not identical to austrian.
eli99as@reddit
Like these.
Smrekovasmola@reddit
And what of these foods are balkan foods? Are you kidding me? Where are you from?
eli99as@reddit
You're getting really annoying with this thread with your cringe complexes. What exactly is balkan food for you? Food that is identical to what they serve in Serbia or Croatia? Seriously just ask chatgpt for a proper intro to culinary influences if you have doubts about what your country is influenced by. "Identical with austrian" my ass.
Smrekovasmola@reddit
Wtf is with you younger generations and chat gpt. Can you ecen survive without AI?
So i ask you again where are you from?
GrandRelationship362@reddit
It is not about age, this guy just a rude clueless idiot
GrandRelationship362@reddit
Great projection.
GrandRelationship362@reddit
“Source: trust me bro”
Smrekovasmola@reddit
Then the article proceeds to list dishes, that have zero connection to balkan... :D
GrandRelationship362@reddit
This.
That guy is really weird.
eli99as@reddit
Cope harder
GrandRelationship362@reddit
K
GrandRelationship362@reddit
Lmao Nooo, you don’t understand, the burden of proof lies on chatgpt in his case.
GrandRelationship362@reddit
For instance?
eli99as@reddit
Just ask chatgpt if you're confused
GrandRelationship362@reddit
Lol
gnarled_quercus@reddit
Mix of balkan, italian nad middle Europe coisine. It's not bad.
GrandRelationship362@reddit
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
PhoenixNyne@reddit
That road from Trieste (once past the border I mean) towards Rijeka, you know the one.
Build a bigger road! Come on.
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
Yes, one of the principal reasons is they are the most ethnically uniform, historically, country among the rest. This allowed for great social cohesion.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Slovenia is propably the second least historical country in the balkans...
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
Slovenes have been in the area for 1500 years
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Yes but they didnt have their own state ir nation of any short until very recently conoared to other balkan nations
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
The most definitely had a state, have you never heard of Carinthia? I guess Greece isn't an ancient nation because it was the Byzantine Empire until recently.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Pretty sure carinthia was more austrian than slovenian by any means
Also byzantium was a continuation of ancient greece with just a roman and christian filter
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
You're completely wrong. Caranthania was a Slavic duchy, Germans moved in later.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Ok then,i apologise for my ignorance
SeaworthinessWide172@reddit
No worries, its not really expected that anyone outside of Slovenia would know this even hough the coronation of Carinthian dukes was pretty unique.
What happened was pretty much what happened to many Greek speaking areas in Anatolia or even Constantinople. The area was ruled by the Ottomans and gradually the language shifted to Turkish and an influx of new populations changed the ethnic make-up over time.
Here's a fun fact: The second largest city in Austria is named Graz, from slovene Gradec. Meanwhile the second largest city in Slovenia is called Maribor, from german Marburg 🙃
Defiant-Activity-945@reddit
You're not supposed to apologize you're supposed to double down and start screeching at me! We don't like mature people here
SeaworthinessWide172@reddit
'Austrian' doesn't mean anything, Austrian german speakers considered themselves germans until very recently.
The Coronation of Carinthian dukes was held slovene until the 16th century and slovenes are still a constitutional minority in Austrian Carinthia. Carinthia also used to be much larger.
Part of Carinthia, aka Koroška, is also in Slovenia. Its why Carinthian cities have bi-lingual names to this day. Klagenfurt is Celovce, Villach is Beljak, St. Veit is Šentvid, etc, This isn't just limited to Carinthia either.
ModeAble9185@reddit
I ve been to Slovenia once. It was too cold for my tastes and people seemed distant (like most northernens). As a mediteranean I could never live there. It was neat and tidy though.
mm19761976@reddit
I am from Croatia, lived in Austria, Germany and Switzerland and Slovenia is by far the best place to live- BUT don’t tell that anyone please!!!
Downside - big taxes if you are high profile in multinational company, real estate prices higher than in Germany and Austria. Not exactly party capital of the world - very easy going country- since i love to ski - not many big ski towns like in Italy or Austria:))
RepresentativeBowl25@reddit
As someone who lives in Slovenia, IMO the largest issues are centralization in Ljubljana and housing prices. m2 can be around 6k in Ljubljana which is absolutely unaffordable for most people. Other places are lower, but centralization in Ljubljana means all the decent jobs won't be in reach.
BestZucchini5995@reddit
Centralisation, meaning...?
RepresentativeBowl25@reddit
Policies which lead to most events/companies/investments being centered around the main city, Ljubljana. This leads to overpopulation in the city and rocketing housing prices.
BestZucchini5995@reddit
https://youtube.com/shorts/2lzX85eqY6I?si=eFhhonFR9wZxYNz3
JohnnyCoolbreeze@reddit
A little bit too much Central European influence when it comes to overall attitude. If you know you know. My AirBnB hosts were extremely friendly but they weren’t natives. I dealt with a couple other guys on my short trip who were a bit brusque and had an awkward encounter with the police when I walked from another AirBnB to an old Napoleonic era fort on the border with Italy. Not the warmest culture but not as bad as Austria.
STRA7E@reddit
As a young serb who visited slovenia more times (terme catez,maribor,ljubljana,sezane,piran,portoroz etc)than novi sad i got a feeling its kinda more for older people than for teens.Dont get me wrong there are things to do but atleast in maribor there is not so much(i was informed by 2 of my friends that they have parties on thursday something called studenski smth)its still beautiful and developed but i would lie if i said i could move rightnow to it(Belgrade is belgrade)but when i am older who knows maybe 1 of those friends could be smth more ;D
eli99as@reddit
Literally never heard anyone to market Slovenia as "one of the finest countries on Earth". In fact, I rarely hear about it in any sort of discussion. I think the perception of Slovenia is as neutral and whatever as it gets.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
In every balkan metric map they are just the top of the list
Kalypso_95@reddit
That's not such a compliment tbh
FixingOpinions@reddit
Well... helps that they kinda live the most normal life out of anyone in the balkan, because for anyone else that's nothing but a dream
eli99as@reddit
Not at all what my comment disclaimed
Opening_Ad_1834@reddit
Too tidy.
zarotabebcev@reddit
Top-Egg1266@reddit
Yes
MaintenanceReady2533@reddit
Geh
fk_censors@reddit
Yes, their beautiful women marry asshole billionaires who are decades older.
tugomir@reddit
Bring your own woman with you. Here women prefer the company of cats to men.
Austro_bugar@reddit
“It’s ok honey, the big one hurt”
AssumptionEmpty@reddit
ahhh, ‘šta je penis?’ isto ko kurac, samo manji
soymilo_@reddit
The downside is that people in "central Europe" always confuse it with Slovakia 😅😭
LoudThinker2pt0@reddit
Boaaaaaring
D0nath@reddit
Logical-List-3392@reddit
Some locations became tourist shitholes (Ljubljana, Bled, etc...)
eli99as@reddit
No idea about Bled, but Ljubljana is far from being touristy.
GrimerMuk@reddit
Ljubljana isn’t too bad when I was there as a tourist. Far less tourists compared to my honeymoon country. Bled was pretty much desolated too when I was there that time but I was there rather late.
SuperSector973@reddit
Downsides … can get a little boring
gnarled_quercus@reddit
Than you aren't outdoor persons...
SuperSector973@reddit
I’m outdoors right now …
legice@reddit
Healthcare, future prosperity, salaries, housing… A BIG business man at the company party said slovenians are the indians of europe. P/p quality, low price basically. German companies waiting in line for slovenian engineers for example.
So basically, the country is built solid, where education is obtainable, but not seen as good enough. Pay is trash for the amount we do and everything around it. And were seen as balkan in europe, but european in the balkans, so nobody takes us seriously, because of basically being everything/nothing. I work in austria and the way the majority see us is horrific, but once you showcase that you know shit, you are pushed further and faster than most, but again, still treated as a slav.
Its a mixed bag, where we complain a lot, because were so close to something great, but so far…
RustCohle_23@reddit
My team (Levski) played a game against Maribor several years ago and it was an amazing experience - I liked the country, the people - really chill and civilized (especially for Balkan standards).
Only downside was there did not seem to be much life after 10pm on a weekday, but I guess that's not too strange for a smaller city.
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
From Diaspora I've just heard health care, lack of workers + rly long waiting lines, to the point where they had to travel to Croatia for it (dentists ESPECIALLY)
People are colder and harder to approach but you can still talk to them, not as big of a culture shock as Scandinavia, not 100% sure about whether the day length is that noticeable, but Slovenia is colder + gets more snow than Serbia for ex
Apparently in the mornings you get elderly people doing Tai Chi or some shit, and half the nation goes over to the mountains on the weekends, from what I've heard they're also rly clean
eboran123@reddit
Well of course, we're the alpine slavs. This isn't even a stereotype hahaha, literally everyone I know is hiking at least a few times per year, according to their facebook and instagram.
Health care is currently a hot political topic, there's the usual issues with state funded medical care systems. There's some corruption on the supply side and health care worker wages being too low. Also, for example, the state health insurance company says "you can do exactly 10000 knee surgeries in this hospital in 2025" and if you're the 1001st person on the list, you have to wait 1 year, because they don't approve more budget. That's why some of us simply pay out of pocket for things that we want solved, I personally have paid for dental and physical therapy sessions. Because when something hurts you really don't want to wait 3 months, if you can just pay 50€ to get booked literally the next day. But arguably, you will not go bankrupt or into debt, like in other countries with state health care. You're not worried about emergency care or life saving operations, because that is handled.
I can't really say anything about the people, because I'm more of an introverted type, but I doubt this is much different to other places. We don't have that famous cliche of americans smiling or being surface friendly everywhere (like stores or the sidewalk). But since you mention hiking, just last week we went hiking and everyone says hi there, I even had 2 short conversations with random people walking in the opposite direction. We live in a bigger city in an apartment and yea, we don't really hang out with our neighbours, we say hi and are courteous, but I don't have much in common with most of them so I don't feel the need for anything more. My parents live in a house and there people usually know each other more, also because they are outside working around the house they get more chances to talk or help each other.
For me the biggest downside is the economic (and tax) policy. Current politics aside, we are a small country, so you cannot hope to come here and make a huge company or take over the market. We are an afterthought for multi national corporations, which I guess is also good in some ways. For example we only got KFC a couple years back and we're getting Taco Bell in the next year I think. Since we're part of the EU and eurozone this isn't a big deal, because you can just easily import anything you need that may not be available here. And not in the sense that we're a third world country without the items, but for example graphics cards or comptuer parts in general are just more expensive here because of the low volume that importers work with. So it's simply cheaper to just order it from like Germany and get it shipped in 3-5 days instead.
As for taxes, I don't wanna go into details or the left/right debate, but the system here kind of forces you into being average. We have one of the lowest inequality rates in the world, but that just kind of means almost everyone is between minimum wage and average wage. You're not going to see a six figure job here. If you want to make it, you have to start your own business and become a tax (loophole) expert to go beyond the middle class.
Then there's real estate, but that isn't a surprise to anyone and isn't limited to just Slovenia.
So in short, if you're not a hustle bro that wants to make millions and bang more chicks than Andrew Tate, I'd say it's a very good choice, only topped by places like Switzerland. I've heard from a few people that it's particularly nice for young famillies, putting children through school and such. Even Slovenes who go abroad to earn more money like to return back home to raise their famillies here.
2024Noname@reddit
To many migrants and foreigners.. alo Roma
Volte_Prinz@reddit
As a tourist from Hungary, who often visit Slovenia mostly for hiking, climbing purposes, I like Slovenia a lot, however I know that the real downsides are experienced only by locals.
The downsides I experience as a tourist/hiker:
I think that's all what I experienced. On the upside there are much more things.
gnarled_quercus@reddit
Bad public transport, traffic is terrible. Healthcare is overloaded, with long waiting times and close to collapsing. Housing is expensive and hard to afford. Many immigrants, not many job opportunities. Nepotism and corruption are still common.
Actual-While-6538@reddit
Too many femboys
Denturart@reddit
Alcoholism, suicides (both has gotten better in the past two decades, but it's still relatively high).
cheerszhile@reddit
Idiotic language. That's all.
LowCranberry180@reddit
To be part of the Balkans
Plassy1@reddit (OP)
Not even this one applies, as they are Mittel Europe.
primera_radi@reddit
Only if you're on the left side of the Ljubljanica.
CTPABA_KPABA@reddit
Could have more sea shore and food could be better. But really: No.
peacokk16@reddit
Politics (I do not wish to get into it, lets just say it is continuation from WW2). And birocracy/administration is also horrible. And centralisation, with the daily migrants Ljubljana has more then 500 000 people in it during the day so the traffic on slovenian roads can be horrible, especially so near the holidays when people from the north migrate south.