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NavyJack@reddit
I remember when antivaxxers were seen as equivalent to flat earthers, all the way up until the pandemic.
Now they’re all like this, insisting that they do their own “research” and their uniformed opinions are equally as valid as hundreds of years of science
pretty_smart_feller@reddit
I’m anti-COVID “vaccine”. Though I deny the premise it’s actually a vaccine when it’s functionally identical to a flu shot.
What sucks is this very reasonable take is lumped into the “polio vaccine causes autism” umbrella of “anti-vax”.
crabvogel@reddit
Covid vaccine is functionally identical to the influenza vaccine, you say?
pretty_smart_feller@reddit
No one calls a flu shot a vaccine. Like what good would a polio vaccine be if it didn’t fucking prevent polio
crabvogel@reddit
Even wikipedia says theyre the same
Too-many-Bees@reddit
they are still seen as the equivalent of flat earthers
MarcosLuisP97@reddit
The difference is the amount of people that see them that way. There's A LOT more people that think vaccines are a threat/scam.
Pintsocream@reddit
There aren't, you just see a lot of it on social media because it gets clicks and attention.
AGreasyPorkSandwich@reddit
Dude the fucking people running the country are anti vaxxers
MisterGoo@reddit
I mean, we’re talking a country with no universal healthcare, here. It’s not like the country wants people to be treated in the first place.
Pintsocream@reddit
Your country maybe
marcodol@reddit
My family is pretty conservative and between parents/grandparents/uncles EVERYONE is an antivaxxer lol. People over 40 are very supcectible to facebook brainrot
Pintsocream@reddit
Ah, you meant in the US. That figures
John_isnt_my_name@reddit
The Anti-Vax Movement that started in Europe? Most American Antivaxers for a long time were y’know, dead from diseases.
Akatshi@reddit
Its growing everywhere
The #1 tennis player in the world is known for his antivax takes
Ialsofuckedyourdad@reddit
See it in Canada too. Got told “ you sound vaccinated “ on a fb post when I commented I wouldn’t take a Tesla cyber truck for free
BoloRoll@reddit
But why wouldn’t you take it for free? It’s an ugly looking truck but free is free
Ialsofuckedyourdad@reddit
I have other cars that don’t make me look like im tolerant of white supremacist.
Also in this hypothetical I was assuming I couldn’t sell it immediately. If I could sell it of course I would take it
KnownAsAnother@reddit
The mouthbteathers think it's an insult when all it does is reveal their hand of jokers.
Garlic549@reddit
My wife is from central Europe. She said it's very much a thing over there too
Pintsocream@reddit
You go there much?
AyyItsPancake@reddit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
Garlic549@reddit
Yes, because I live in Europe now. And contrary to what Reddit loves to say and believe, people in the beautiful utopia of Europe are in fact quite susceptible to being just as stupid as Americans, if not more stupid sometimes.
Pintsocream@reddit
Bro Europe isn't a country
marcodol@reddit
Yeah, we often laugh at dumb american trends until they get here about 2/3 years later
marcodol@reddit
Nope, italian, american brainrot arrives everywhere just a few years later, your country is not safe either
Able_Caregiver8067@reddit
Over 40: don’t get vaxxed
Under 40: eat tide pods
Thanag0r@reddit
RFK Jr literally is an anti waxer and he is secretary of health.
He is currently pushing idea that vaccines cause autism while showing fake research or just not showing anything at all.
Pintsocream@reddit
Yeah the US has been cooked for a long time lol I was talking about anywhere with a scrap of common sense which is the rest of the world
MarcosLuisP97@reddit
From my experience, they are. I have friends and relatives who aren't stupid enough to think Earth is flat, but they do not believe vaccines are safe. They graduated college too.
Pintsocream@reddit
I'm hearing US in a lot of these anecdotes
MarcosLuisP97@reddit
I'm not American.
Starbonius@reddit
I have never met a single flat earther in my entire life but I can think of 4 antivaxxers I know or knew personally off the top of my head
Hot_Raccoon_565@reddit
Here’s a quote from the current head of the department of health and human services.
“I think some of the live virus vaccines are probably averting more problems than they’re causing. There’s no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective.“
That’s a quote from RFK from a podcast he did with Lex Friedman. You have your head in the sand. The ostrich approach is no way to go through life. It’s especially no way to go through life if you want to talk to people about what’s happening in the world.
Pintsocream@reddit
US lol
Hot_Raccoon_565@reddit
Ah yes the residents of third world countries tend to be much more ardent science and vaccine supporters.
leutwin@reddit
Bro, RFK Jr said that vaccines are not safe. This shit is pretty mainstream now.
Pintsocream@reddit
In the US I guess lol
DomSchraa@reddit
Preventable diseases are back on the rise becomes of these fucking dipshits
Its not a majority of the population, but its enough to fuck up herd immunity
Kriegsman__69th@reddit
Nah bro, I live in Brazil and I hear everyday about how vaccines are a scam and how many health issues they bring.
I had to explain to people that Covid inst as much of a issue now since we have vaccines because everyday some fucker goes "Meehhh when my right wing conservative asshat was in power we heard about it everyday"
Empty_MindFuck@reddit
having been involved with several medical professionals, a few of them have seen trends with vaccines over time. what worried them the most was finding out how much mercury was put into some of the vaccines, more than 1000x the amount considered safe to enter the body in some.
Corbakobasket@reddit
That's because the Earth can be proven to be round in a million ways, and flat-earthers are just living in complete constant denial.
But there has been historical cases of governments sponsoring unethical experimentation programs under the disguise of vaccinations. And the pharmaceutical lobby IS a really powerful institution.
Of course most of the antivaxx sphere of arguments is just schizo bullshit. It doesn't take a genius to understand why Covid happened and why vaccination is important to end an epidemic. But people are not very talented for nuance these days.
MarcosLuisP97@reddit
The issue Is generalization. When people were doubtful about the first COVID vaccines because they skipped a lot of protocols, it made logical sense. But when they extended it to "all vaccines are bad", then they reached into conspiracy territory.
Pristinox@reddit
They never skipped any protocols, that's not allowed. They just did all the stages at once because the vaccine was extremely important. This is different from a regular medication where they take a slower and more cost-effective way of testing.
Besides, it's a type of vaccine that was already used for other viruses, they just had to develop it for a new one. They didn't reinvent the wheel.
AmouroRay@reddit
What about the protocol where you don't give the medication to the control group in order to study long term effects? MRNA vaccines had not been tested on human subjects at that point, so it was absolutely not used for other viruses.
Oppopity@reddit
First human clinical trials were in 2013
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRNA_vaccine
Oppopity@reddit
You can't give a placebo for vaccines.
Alexjwhummel@reddit
Saline injection
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/placebo-effect#:~:text=Placebo%20is%20Latin%20for%20'I,even%20a%20fake%20surgical%20procedure.
Oppopity@reddit
Sorry I was thinking about the deployment phase not development.
CupcakeInsideMe@reddit
You're getting downvoted but these egg-for-brains don't realize that the process used to create the first COVID vaccines was in the works for 50 years.
We were so fucking lucky that the research was already done and all they needed to do was slap the specific virus into place. From what I've learned, they tried to stop the main researcher many times because her peers told her that mRNA vaccines were bullshit and pulled so much funding.
If COVID had appeared a decade or two earlier, we'd have been looking at a catastrophe of epic proportions because her research wasn't fully baked and COVID is prone to either being ineffective or getting you actually sick if regular vaccine methods were used.
All test phases for a vaccine trial were followed with COVID. The issue is that people didn't even know about the virus when it started blazing through Asia so when the majority of people heard about it, they also almost immediately heard about a vaccine and instead of questioning their worldview that maybe the virus existed before they knew of it, they instead claimed that the vaccine was developed "too quickly".
Pristinox@reddit
Yeah, I forgot to add something like "fake and gay" to guarantee upvotes
2donuts4elephants@reddit
Texas measles outbreak enters the chat
BorodacFromLT@reddit
There is a sliver of truth in their thinking, vaccines on rare occasions can have severe side effects. They focus too much on fear of those and not enough on the much more common positive effects of vaccines
MarcosLuisP97@reddit
And they also focus on the lies, like vaccines causing autism.
BorodacFromLT@reddit
yea that bogus study did more harm than antivaxxers claim vaccines do
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
Lmao
Imagine being this clueless 4 years later.
_Tal@reddit
Yes, I remember when anti-vaxxers invented a fake “older” definition of vaccine so they could pretend like it was “changed,” and reduced everything to a binary between “total prevention” and “no effect,” as if any vaccine in history has ever offered 100% perfect immunity
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
Invented a fake older definition? Lmao
It was literally the CDC’s definition and they changed it to exclude immunity altogether. They did this in 2021, as the covid shot was being rolled out.
Use the wayback machine to view the CDC website before and after the change.
_Tal@reddit
They reworded the definition because people were MISinterpreting the old wording to mean that a vaccine must be 100% effective, which has never been the case for any vaccine in human history. The intended meaning of the definition is still exactly the same.
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
Bullshit. The whole point of a vaccine, up to that point, had been to confer immunity. The definition hadn’t been a problem for decades.
There was a time when numerous media figures and administration officials, including Biden, were telling everyone that if you just got the shot you wouldn’t get covid. That was the whole push for uptake. “Take this to stop the spread”. To be fair, that’s how vaccines are supposed to work.
The authority figures people trusted knowingly lied to them to get them to take it. They preyed on people’s desire to protect others and to get their lives back.
They changed the definition when it became abundantly clear to the population (aside from Reddit) that this wasn’t the case.
The meaning of “effective” in public discourse went from “if you get the shot, you won’t get the virus” to “if you get the shot, you might reduce your symptoms”. That’s not a vaccine, by any standard definition before covid.
Then, like magic, everyone started claiming that no one ever told them the shot would provide immunity in the first place, which was complete bullshit. There are plenty of video montages out there showing the opposite.
Walensky, the CDC director at the time, admitted on live TV in the summer of ‘21 that if you received the shot you could still infect others with the same viral load of someone who didn’t get the shot.
That’s one of the reasons the vaccine cards and restricted spaces were so mind numbingly dumb.
“If you’re not “vaccinated” you can’t come in here. You’re a danger to the vaccinated people who, just like you, can still contract and transmit the virus with the same viral load you can. We need to protect the vaccinated from the virus they’re vaccinated against.”
Lmao
_Tal@reddit
And “Immunity” just means to trigger an immune response, not the fucking video game definition where you literally become completely invulnerable to the thing. That’s precisely the misunderstanding that caused them to reword the definition. Again, by your logic, there is no such thing as a vaccine. No one in all of human history has ever managed to create your version of a vaccine; it would be a purely theoretical idea.
COVID vaccines also don’t only reduce your symptoms; they also reduce your chances of infection and reduce the duration of your infection. Which is what all vaccines do. Vaccines never reduce your chance of infection to zero. But if most of the population is vaccinated against a disease, that disease becomes unable to sustain itself and can’t spread to new hosts, so it dies out. That’s why polio and measles went away. It’s not because the vaccine made everyone completely invulnerable; it’s because it made most of the population resistant enough that the infection couldn’t spread to others quickly enough to sustain itself.
COVID vaccines also weren’t even the first vaccines to not eliminate the disease. Flu vaccines have worked the same way for years. The flu shot doesn’t guarantee you won’t get the flu, you have to keep getting “boosters” every year, and the virus mutates and sticks around. Different diseases work differently and aren’t always as easy to get rid of as other diseases.
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
You got played.
Cope harder
_Tal@reddit
You have nothing.
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
Keep coping
Strict_Space_1994@reddit
These replies were a blast from the past lmao. You spoke nothing but truth, and Average Redditor rants about horse paste, appeals to authority, misrepresents your argument, and insults you without any response to the argument. It reminds me of the Covid days, except this time, they don’t have any power, they’re just idiots ranting in the comments
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
Since it’s Reddit, I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised but it is a little surreal to see how many people still haven’t wrapped their heads around facts that are common knowledge to most everyone else.
Good times
AlabamaHotcakes@reddit
ULTRAMALE VITALITY and apple flavored horse paste back in stock! Buy now before the globalists seizes it all and cuts your penis off!!!
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
Lmao
You can’t actually refute what I said because it’s true. You got played.
Cope harder
AlabamaHotcakes@reddit
If you want me to "refute" anything you can start by citing your sources for your claims, maybe then it wont look insane ramblings.
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
Wait, you seriously don’t know that the covid “vaccine” doesn’t confer immunity or prevent one from transmitting the virus with the same viral load as someone who didn’t take it? Lmao
It’s been 4 years since the CDC director at the time, Walensky, admitted it on national television.
And, yeah, the CDC did change the definition. They had to remove the word immunity because the experimental shot didn’t provide immunity.
You really didn’t know any of this? Lol
Step out of the echo chamber occasionally.
Organic-Intention335@reddit
Remember when they said insane rambling?
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
Nothing I said is insane.
It’s a widely known fact that the covid “vaccine” never conferred immunity and didn’t prevent one from spreading the virus.
It’s also widely known that in 2021, the CDC removed the whole immunity bit from their definition of “vaccine” to conform with the new experimental shot.
Hilariously sad that there are still people who don’t know any of this.
Organic-Intention335@reddit
Go off queen
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
Lmao
Cope harder
Organic-Intention335@reddit
I'm not coping cause I'm not arguing about the damn vaccine.
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
No, you’re definitely coping.
Everything I said is accurate. You can’t refute it but you’re still annoyed that I would say it, so you’re just resorting to passive aggressive teasing, like a child.
And it’s not really about convincing anyone. It’s about speaking the truth. I don’t expect echo chamber retards on Reddit to suddenly change their minds after digging their heels in for years. Why would they, when they derive such a strong feeling of satisfaction and superiority from their willful ignorance that’s reinforced by their peers?
I’ll also post all these redditor replies, including yours, on other sites for people to laugh at. People get a kick out of knowing they might be dumb but they’re not Reddit dumb.
AlabamaHotcakes@reddit
I asked you to do one simple thing. You failed.
sethlyons777@reddit
Lmao "sauce pls" stfu midwit
TinySchwartz@reddit
You just be a highly regarded expert on the issue
sethlyons777@reddit
The irony of posting this meme format because a podcast is platforming people that the establishment doesn't like and it's way more successful than cable tv while doing it is fucking hilarious
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
Which part is wrong?
Walensky, the CDC director at the time, admitted on national tv in 2021 that the “vaccine” didn’t confer immunity and didn’t prevent one from transmitting it with the same viral load as someone who didn’t take it.
And, yeah, the CDC did change the definition in 2021, removing reference to a vaccine conferring immunity. Up until that point, it was always a part of the definition.
SawedoffClown@reddit
"They"
"Changed the definition of vaccine"
"conferred no immunity"
These are words of someone who is speaking about a topic they have no knowledge of but believe themselves to have. Words may not matter to you but they matter to the rest of us, keep that in minz.
zerosaved@reddit
You’re implying that vaccines are harmless, ineffective. Isn’t that the antithesis of what you antivax clowns are trying so desperately to prove to the world? Make it make sense…
DoobOnTheDip@reddit
I’m implying vaccines are harmless?
Lol How did you get that from what I said? I didn’t say anything about it causing harm or not.
BigHatPat@reddit
I swear before 2020 I saw people making fun of them 99.9% of the time and all the sudden they were everywhere. people are actual fucking sheep
tries_to_tri@reddit
Just like before 2020 everyone hated the greedy pharmaceutical companies, then all of a sudden everyone worshipped them like gods. People are actual fucking sheep.
Captaincorect@reddit
Remember Ivermectin, the drug that Science loved until it Science realized Science could make much more money with with a injection that Science had to change the definition of what a vaccine was so Science could call it a vaccine and Science decided that Ivermectin was now a horse drug.
Science remembers...
_Tal@reddit
This is like saying “What do you mean blasting myself with radiation does absolutely nothing to cure my pneumonia? Don’t you know radiation therapy is a real medical treatment? Science loved radiation therapy until science realized it could make more money with vaccines!!” All while completely ignoring the obvious—that radiation therapy is specifically a cancer treatment, not some magic general-purpose cure for all sorts of ailments.
Same applies here. Yes, Ivermectin is not just horse dewormer. It’s used to treat worm and other parasitic infections in humans too. It’s scientifically recognized as effective for this purpose. That doesn’t mean it’s all of a sudden an effective treatment for COVID-19, a completely unrelated disease. That’s not how medicine works.
Captaincorect@reddit
Frist off, not the point. The point 1 Science tried to convince everyone that Ivermectin was for farm animals not humans. 2 Animal formulations of ivermectin are different from those approved for humans. 3 Ivermectin is effective treatment for COVID-19 and we have plenty of evidence to back that up. 4 Before COVID Ivermectin a wonder drug held on the same level as penicillin by that did much more than fight parasitic infections.
You example is just gaslighting, During COVID science didnt say Ivermectin was for parasitic infections. They said Ivermectin was a farm animal drug and Joe Rogan must think he is a horse or something.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
bmac251@reddit
I agree that the way media (not “Science”) tried portray ivermectin during COVID was deceptive. CNN in particular was bad about this. And I also agree that ivermectin is an incredibly useful drug.
I still haven’t seen a significant amount of peer reviewed (ie: > 2 independent reviewers) scientific literature that supports your third claim. This is probably due to ignorance on my end. Do you have any of these sources?
Captaincorect@reddit
Here are the problems with independent reviewers) scientific literature
https://youtu.be/UiLGSVH_UPA?t=58
bmac251@reddit
This is a video of one man explaining how he had vaccine side effects. Which are a thing. All vaccines, all medicines actually, have side effects. Pharma or media who say otherwise are wrong.
But I don’t see how this video justifies why we shouldn’t independently review data. Is it that you don’t believe reviewers can be independent?
It’s unfortunate that how COVID was handled created such a lack of trust in scientific institutions. But I guess my question to you is if you no longer trust the scientific process?
If your gripe is with the institutions, then that is understandable. But if you don’t trust the FDA or EMA or established medical journals, what is your alternative source for obtaining trustworthy data?
Captaincorect@reddit
well i meant the part about why it hard to do studies
Twisty1020@reddit
The way you use the word "science" is what makes you sound like a moron that no one will take seriously.
Captaincorect@reddit
that's the point... when you guys say "science says" and "science did that" it' sooooo stupid
Gervh@reddit
Scientists can be bought like anybody in any market, but we have ,by now, hundreds of years of working vaccines until a guy wanted to make more money, so he lied about vaccines having made-up negative effects, like autism, just to sell his own, "good and safe", vaccine. He even took over a movement started by a reasonable man, who just wanted people to be cautious about side-effects of vaccines, not outright make shit up and cause long-defeated diseases to start returning.
Huuballawick@reddit
It's because it is now more publicly acceptable to be an outspoken idiot.
ledbottom@reddit
Maybe that's because the vaccine for the pandemic was brand new, rushed, and practically mandated across the country. I don't know just seems a little suspicious
damnumalone@reddit
They’re still equivalent to flat earthers, it’s just that you hear from the more now because of the internet
Smelldicks@reddit
One of them holds the highest health position in the US government. So no, it’s definitely been mainstreamed.
damnumalone@reddit
Yes, and the reason that happened because the “I do my own research” crowd were able to find each other and organise, which they couldn’t previously do.
Smelldicks@reddit
No, it’s because it’s become a partisan issue. And I can quantitatively show you vaccine skepticism is on the rise as a result.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/648308/far-fewer-regard-childhood-vaccinations-important.aspx
unlimitedzen@reddit
Damn that internet for... showing the insane things the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is saying about vaccines. These people are the worst.
damnumalone@reddit
Yeah… it’s more for connecting a network of “I do my own research” people and creating the illusion that Facebook posts are knowledge but sure go off
Lord_Moa@reddit
The internet famously invented march 15th 2020
de420swegster@reddit
You just blow in from stupid town?
Lord_Moa@reddit
The parent comment of the thread makes the argument that they see more anti-vaxxers than flat-earthers after the pandemic. Then the comment I replied to says that change is "because of the internet". Nothing has really changed between the internet now and the internet before the pandemic hit. The surface changes, the structure stays the same.
It's also pretty anecdotal. I used to see shit about anti-vaxxers too, back when I commented on every other post about them how stupid they are compared to me, a smart person. Which was before the pandemic. I haven't seen shit about about anti-vaxxers or flat-earthers for at least 3 years. It's got nothing to do with the pandemic, it's the algorithms identifying your engagement and serving you what engages you.
That's all to say nothing about the fact that "because of the internet" is about as rhetorically hollow as a lead fucking pipe.
angelis0236@reddit
I've definitely seen more about antivaxxers since RFK entered office but that has nothing to do with the pandemic.
Lord_Moa@reddit
I'm still blissfully unaware about all that shit. My algorithm's good to me like that
Alkeryn@reddit
There are both uninformed and very informed pro and anti vax, it's not such a simple issue as you think it is.
2ndRandom8675309@reddit
There is no such thing as "very informed" anti-vax. That's just someone who spent a lot of time convincing themselves to let measles and Darwin take their kids out of the gene pool.
Alkeryn@reddit
Not all vaccines are comparable, there are good reasons to be against some specific ones for some specific demographics / age group.
And then there can more debate regarding trust, ie yes vaccines as a concept are a very good idea, but there has been many implementations issues in the past.
I'm not against vaccines per see, but there has been good basis to avoid some specific ones historically.
Especially on an individual level, where due to some family history you may be much more likely to have a bad reaction to some specific ones.
I'm not saying all vaccines are bad, far from that, but just as well "all vaccines are good for all people" would be a false statement.
ItsSneakyAdolf@reddit
What uniforms are their opinions wearing?
Positive_Action_5377@reddit
They are too stupid to understand science, and therefore all scientific research is meaningless to them. This is what happens when Bill Nye goes off the air.
Akatshi@reddit
And they all use VAERS as a source which is an UNVERIFIED SELF REPORTING TOOL
These people are seriously stupid
Send_Cake_Or_Nudes@reddit
I did my own research and then I took all the drugs. Will I get superpowers?
Dill_Donor@reddit
I love an opinion in uniform
Alluos@reddit
Can science be wrong?
NavyJack@reddit
Is your computer wrong when it needs an update?
Alluos@reddit
Sometimes. This is a false equivalence though. Science does evolve and change, or update. Things change, but a lot of the time it's just biased. Or something that happens more often than you think; it's politically influenced. Scientists aren't infallible beings who will never lie, who won't fudge numbers or bend the truth because it doesn't fit their world view. Even their methods can be false, or they can be socially influenced. There's plenty of reasons why the scientific method can fail.
You're meant to do your job as a human being, and call it out when you see something wrong. Provide different thoughts and perspectives. You're not doing your due diligence if you just blindly follow "the science". It's often code for the politically powerful to influence you, or tell you what to do.
Stop being blind, mate.
WilliamBurrito@reddit
If a scientist lies, there are plenty of scientists who are looking for those lies to disprove the original claims and theories and make a career for themselves. That’s called the peer review process. To me it sounds like you don’t really have an understanding of how the scientific community works, and what scientific consensus actually means.
Alluos@reddit
I'm aware of how it works. But if it's socially unacceptable then no peer reviews mean jack shit. Social pressure means a whole lot more than any part of the scientific method. Science often operates within the overton window.
You guys can keep trying to deny this shit all you like but I'll never blindly accept what I'm told, no matter who says it. Science can be wrong, and people will continue to call out bullshit if they see it.
WilliamBurrito@reddit
You’re not humble enough to admit it’s impossible for you to know everything, research everything, read every paper or study. It’s not shameful to rely on medical consensus, scientific consensus, or expert opinion. More often than not all of those things are correct, sure sometimes they’re wrong but eventually the science changes and we accept, improve and move on. We do the best with what we have at the time, and we continue collecting more data to determine what is working and what isn’t. Really, I think there’s a larger social movement pressuring you to not trust science more than there is a social movement for science to be junk and bias. It just looks that way when you have little understanding of the extremely complex world of research, science journal publishing, peer review process, etc.
Alluos@reddit
I never said I can know everything, I don't. No one does.
I also don't give prescriptions. I rarely even share my perspectives. But I know when I'm being lied to, I know when someone is obfuscating, I know when something is socially or politically motivated.
I'm allowed to form my own opinions. I'm allowed to accept the consequences of my own possibly misguided actions.
So is everyone else, and they're allowed to talk about it.
If you really think the people who tell you not to trust everything you hear and to form your own opinions are more negatively motivated than the people who tell you to blindly trust the science then we have a fundamental difference in perspective.
"don't do this" is a warning, but they don't want something from you. "you should do this" a prescription, they want something. Harder to trust.
I also don't think there's a movement to make science bad. I think there's political motivation to use the authority of science for political gain. Perhaps we're just talking past each other here. Who cares at this point. People are still around to call out lies so I don't care what you think.
WilliamBurrito@reddit
Science isn’t wrong about vaccines, full stop. We’ve been using them since 1796.
Alluos@reddit
I never mentioned vaccines.
I've sat here for like 5 minutes wondering how this was all you could give as a response.
"gotta say vaccine good because anyone who talks like this is an anti-vaxer".
Is this your way of admitting my perspective it pretty accurate? 0 responses to my actual comment because you know I'm right. Really weak, mate.
WilliamBurrito@reddit
Your original comment was asking if since could be wrong to a comment comparing vaccine skeptics to flat earthers, good try to distance yourself now. You know what you’re doing, and I believe you’re purposefully trying to sew doubt and distrust with vaccines.
Alluos@reddit
"Now they’re all like this, insisting that they do their own “research” and their uniformed opinions are equally as valid as hundreds of years of science"
I was responding to this portion. I didn't mention vaccines because it's not pertinent. the original context of the post was in regards to the discussion between those two guys talking about gaza and israel. One of them was saying you're not allowed to share an opinion because you didn't visit gaza. Absurd thing to say.
But political activists have used talk like this for a very long time to suppress different opinions. Governments have done plenty of evil with science as their weapon of choice.
You didn't even ask my opinion, just assumed. I'm not an anti-vaxer. Don't even know why I'm bothering with some politically crazed dipshit on reddit. Go fuck yourself.
ripwolfleumas@reddit
Sometimes the update completely fucks shit up and you have to rollback to a previous version. Oh wait. You can't rollback physical changes.
Known-Ad-1556@reddit
Yes.
And famously, uninformed opinions are never wrong.
Checkmate, science!
Alluos@reddit
I think we all have a duty to call out bunk science. It's a check and balance. Without outside pushback your science will become entirely politically captured, as opposed to partially.
UpboatOrNoBoat@reddit
Sure, except the opinion of some random uneducated bumpkin isn’t what decides “bunk” science.
When your arguments stem from a complete lack of information and understanding then they’re worthless.
Alluos@reddit
I never said to take someone else's opinion, look with your eyes. Form your own opinion. Don't be blind is all I say.
WilliamBurrito@reddit
What if the outside pushback is entirely politically captured and the scientists are just trying to publish their findings?
sethlyons777@reddit
Not according to Reddit midwits
Alluos@reddit
Imagine being so cucked that you tell people they're not allowed to form their own opinions. "Only special people are allowed to make observations and come to conclusions. You have to accept what we tell you and if you have different thoughts or perspectives then you're [insert relevant personal attack here]".
Dont_Touch_My_Nachos@reddit
No, they're allowed to have their opinions. But if they're wrong, I don't want them to share it with other midwits and cause problems for me
sethlyons777@reddit
Mr. NavyJack, why did you choose such an obviously telling name for your propaganda Reddit account?
Not_slim_but_shady@reddit
stillmahboi@reddit
People don't realise that 'doing your own research' means going through the standard proofread peer reviewed stuff first, and then going through wacky fringe stuff, not going through wacky fringe stuff on the third page of Google, and going through the standard stuff to get stuck on word semantics and call it wrong and psyoped
TheRedGawd@reddit
Is AIPAC paying 4channers now?
SethReddit89@reddit
It's been estimated (ncbi) that up to 80% of your online interactions are inauthentic! (e.g., written by directed machine learning chat bots)
All sides of issues are using them, but you can spot the higher budget astroturf operation by which has more updoots).
TheFalconKid@reddit
ADL probably is. Greenblat looks like a 4channer that is forced to shower and wear a suit during the day.
sethlyons777@reddit
Probably
FearTheImpaler@reddit
who the fuck is dave smith
TheFalconKid@reddit
Libertarian podcast "comedian" Rogan Bro. Good when it comes to not sending us tax money to bomb babies, bad on almost everything else.
FearTheImpaler@reddit
why do people give these weird podcast bros a second thought? does he actually have a persuasive following that makes substantial influence?
bulldoggamer@reddit
Its amazing how few people are actually good about the not bombing babies thing.
IgotAseaView@reddit
I’m sorry Op but Reddit has decided they side with Dave smith. So no matter how accurate this meme is, it will be discarded. Please post more Reddit friendly memes
bulldoggamer@reddit
As someone who has followed Dave for a good 5 years now. The statement "Reddit has decided they side with Dave Smith" is nearly incomprehensible to me.
Screlingo@reddit
this.
Matt_2504@reddit
Idk who that is but I do find it a ridiculous idea that you have to be an “expert” to have an opinion on something. “Experts” are not infallible and often disagree with each other. Science, economics etc. are not really comparable to a mechanic fixing your car, where everything about the car can be known and it can simply be fixed
hansuluthegrey@reddit
Its not so much having an opinion as it is wanting people to believe you over actual experts. The "its just an opinion." Is the ultimate copout
sethlyons777@reddit
Is Douglass Murray an expert on history? He's an English major who writes pro war propaganda and comes from a NeoCon think-tank background. Kinda seems like he's just an expert at being a talking head for the military industrial complex.
KarlPc167@reddit
These "experts" also told people smoking was good for health and leaded fuel was not harmful.
FunnyP-aradox@reddit
They never did, they were all ad campains and experts always said that tobacco was bad for you
sethlyons777@reddit
You were definitely born yesterday and don't know shit
KarlPc167@reddit
Literally false.
In the early 1900’s Health Departments actually promoted cigarettes as a healthier alternative to chew and spit tobacco. It was at 1939 Dr. Alton Ochsner in New Orleans first published a study linking smoking with lung cancer, but the other doctors derided Ochsner for years and It took about 30-40 years for the tide to turn.
Corbakobasket@reddit
I mean you can have an opinion... as long as you don't try to establish it as "facts".
I have my opinion on trans people, but I'm neither a trans person nor a doctor in social sciences with a thesis on the subject.
Wouldn't it be stupid if some trans dude starts explaining his situation to me, and I'm like :"err hold up, ackthually that's YOUR opinion dude, and I know a thing or two about trans identity and you should listen"?
sethlyons777@reddit
This just in: only experts like English major, Douglass Murray who goes on state sanctioned tours through warzones and writes pro war propaganda pamphlets, know what facts are. Not people who study history and read books.
MrDrapichrust@reddit
It's not about having an opinion, it's about going to various podcasts and programmes to share that opinion as if it was insightful or valuable.
sethlyons777@reddit
God forbid that there are people outside the institutions who do actually have valuable and insightful opinions right?
redditor-3568@reddit
The problem is non expert thinking their opinion on something is insightful or valuable. If your opinion was actually insightful or valuable you’d be able to research it, prove, and publish it.
sethlyons777@reddit
Why are you even commenting this opinion when you haven't researched it, proved it and published it. Are you dumb?
DeliriumRostelo@reddit
They dont and aren't capable of having valuable or insightful opinions
sethlyons777@reddit
Objectively stupid thing to say
Mister_Taco_Oz@reddit
This guy is trying to pass off his opinions as facts, which is dangerous. And his opinions are neither valuable nor insightful, except perhaps as evidence of how grifters can cause harm by actively spreading misinformation.
sethlyons777@reddit
It's called a truth claim and it can either be proven correct or incorrect. Why the fuck is this such a difficult thing for people to understand?
Just because you don't like certain people doesn't mean that they're wrong.
Sounds like you're saying an incorrect opinion but framing it as fact. You must be a grifter and nobody should listen to you.
Mister_Taco_Oz@reddit
They are objectively wrong though. They go against the established scientific consensus and bring very little, flimsy evidence or no evidence at all to try and disprove the evidence presented by peer-reviewed studies by a much larger number of scientists reaching the same conclusion, opposite to this guy.
This man fits all the criteria for the common usage of the word "grifter", I'm not incorrect for implying that I think this guy is a grifter. I am free to think the definition in the dictionary of the word applies to Smith here. Just like I am free to think he is a bellend.
That aside though, I am also just stating my opinion. I'm not stating a fact of the world. Passing my personal judgement on the actions and personality of this man, which does not require scientific evidence to be valid.
Smith does claim that his (incorrect) opinions are verifiable, objective facts, though. He does fashion himself an authority on a subject, but shirks away from the scrutiny placed upon authority to demonstrate their supposed knowledge is actually correct.
If a PHD astrophycisist claims that a guy named Flonald is a scummy dickwad and a sore loser, then you might (at best) call them out for libel, but they are not claiming to be all-knowing on the nature of man and the psychology of people. It's his opinion. If he claims that black holes actually have arms and legs and dance the Macarena, then he is making a claim based on his expertise that he is claiming as factual and needs to present evidence for his claim.
sethlyons777@reddit
Well you have the opportunity to prove his claims wrong but all you've done is just say a bunch of words.
Mister_Taco_Oz@reddit
I haven't actually seen anything from Dave Smith related to vaccines in years, so I've forgotten most of his specific claims. I do however remember one reason why he hated the COVID vaccine was bodily autonomy, "my body my choice" type deal (which is stupid, since vaccines work by relying on the concept of herd immunity which is destroyed if a section of the population remains unvaccinated).
https://youtu.be/-EPbylsBuzg?si=i8rkRDBCTrOW1Yux
This video also is really good at generally debunking common myths and misinformation about vaccines. Unlike a lot of videos like it, it actually went through the effort of citing its sources in the video description for easy access, which is more than Dave Smith ever really does.
Even without accounting for sources and videos and everything, I also don't really have to disprove Smith. Not only because I am a random Redditor whose words will never be heard by Smith and I am not a subject matter expert with easy, readily available access to the peer reviewed studies needed to disprove him, but also and more importantly because THE ONE WITH THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS SMITH.
SMITH is the one who is going against scientific consensus and the established, accepted reality of the world by most people. If he wants to argue that the commonly accepted facts are, in fact, incorrect, he is the one who has to bring up evidence and studies and backing to his claims. Everyone else is not obligated to actively disprove every claim that ever gets brought up with no real scientific evidence besides anecdotes. Which is the largest part of Dave Smith's arguments: anecdotes. Not peer reviewed studies.
I am sorry that your vocabulary is at a level where talking properly is "sounding smart". But I guess I shouldn't be surprised given you seem to support antivax.
........how could you possibly see my comment and infer that I said nothing at all? Are you actually incapable of basic reading comprehension?
sethlyons777@reddit
I have no idea why you're talking about vaccines. This about the debate with Murray. So many freaks in hear are talking about such off-topic things, fucking glowies
MrDrapichrust@reddit
I will repeat what I said. If you are going around podcasts and programmes spreading your ideas as if it WAS an expert opinion, but also try to escape any kind of actual accountability by saying "but I'm just a dumbass", you should be treated as a dumbass and not given a platform.
sethlyons777@reddit
This is literally just "deplatform opinions I don't like" but with extra word salad in the side. Thanks for saying the quiet part out loud.
If you want your milquetoast establishment approved propaganda you know where to get it. Podcasts can host whoever they fucking want and you don't get to tell them how to run their show.
MrDrapichrust@reddit
NOBODY is deplatforming. You can go to any programme you want, I don't care. The problem is when you are specifically invited to them as if you were an expert, and act like it.
Experts have actual accountability tied to their knowledge. I'm not interested in your opinion if I catch you on a lie and you immediately say "hey, but I'm just a dumbass, why are you taking me seriously".
sethlyons777@reddit
No, because you know the Streisand effect is too real. But this is an attempt to sew doubt in the minds of folks regarding the credibility of certain people who do have platforms but don't have the types of approved credentials to fit an arbitrary standard, and are saying things that rock the boat.
This is such a broad brush to paint with that it can't be taken seriously.
No sensible person would confuse the difference in credentials between a person with a degree and a role at an institution compared to a guy who reads books. This premise doesn't hold water and is just mental acrobatics.
Really, you're just regurgitating institutional talking points. The institutions are feeling after Trump's landslide win on the popular vote. It was a sign that regular people no longer trust the instructions. This isn't about information hygiene, it's about the control of the infrastructure of information distribution and how it impacts public sentiment and behaviour. Cable TV news complex lost that hegemony and are reeling.
If you're not a glowie, or somehow carrying water on behalf of some institution you're a brainless boot licker.
MrDrapichrust@reddit
"But this is an attempt to sew doubt in the minds of folks regarding the credibility of certain people who do have platforms but don't have the types of approved credentials to fit an arbitrary standard, and are saying things that rock the boat."
Yes, that's the point. You SHOULD have doubts about what you hear. That's why scientific process exists. That's why peer-reviewed studies exist.
We are not in the best period of humanitys existence because we followed random people saying random shit. We are here because we (generally) follow the scientific process.
Right now you are the one following instructions. You were told "you can never trust an institution". You think you are free becaues of it, but fail to realize that by always going left when someone says right, you are doing the exact thing you are trying to avoid.
sethlyons777@reddit
Oh absolutely. I run a double blind randomised placebo controlled experiment for every decision I make throughout my day because you know, you gotta be sure!
/s
This is a massive strawman. This weird obsession with peer reviewed scientific expertise is really weird. Yes, it's highly relevant in the hard sciences and in the academies. But we're talking about people who read books and talk about them on podcasts. It's really not that complex, you fucking mental midget.
MrDrapichrust@reddit
"Oh absolutely. I run a double blind randomised placebo controlled experiment for every decision I make throughout my day because you know, you gotta be sure!"
You put an /s, but it is exactly thanks to insitutions that you don't have to.
No, they don't just read books and talk about them. They are selling you the books, and say that all other books are wrong, while also crumbling under any amount of scrutiny. And then escape to "but I'm just a dumbass, the fact that you take me seriously is your fault". And then you actually defend them perpetuating the behaviour.
sethlyons777@reddit
I can't believe you said this unironically.
This is schizophrenic. This doesn't happen. Like I said, it's mental acrobatics and word salad directed at people you don't like because they don't want to consume the same propaganda that you do.
MrDrapichrust@reddit
It is thanks to insitutions that you don't have to worry about your car engine exploding when you turn your car key in the morning. It is thank to insitutions that you don't have to worry if the food or water from your local store won't kill you an day later. Every single day is hundreds of small choices that you don't have to worry about because we as a society have designated institutions to take care of them.
"This doesn't happen." It literally does, look at the podcast from the example. The biggest podcast in the world, full of snake oil salesmen and charlatans. People without any verified knowledge are invited before one of the biggest audiences you can find, where they are free to tell you whatever they want, while generating milions of dollars in revenue. And it's 95% the same story - whenever they are confronted about their lacking knowledge or straight up lies they go back to "I'm not an expert" while telling you to disregard any experts they decide to attack that time.
sethlyons777@reddit
I agree with this to a degree, and it may be the rule. However, it's irresponsible to neglect the many examples of institutional failure and how they impact people and perpetuate socioeconomic issues that would normally be easily solved. Perverse incentives exist. Systems can be gamed and there are as many features as well as bugs that can be exploited.
Industry sold asbestos and regulators let them. Insurance companies and law courts try to avoid concluding accountability for them causing mesothelioma. Doctors told pregnant women to take thalidomide and caused many women birth defects. There are many examples of news media lying, or participating in cover ups.
It's reasonable to be sceptical and it's naive and cruel to shame people for practicing their own falsification or choosing to not accept claims at face value. This applies to all claims.
The listener is well aware of the different types of people that go on Rogan's podcast. If you're not appealing to deplatform certain people, or trying to take hits at their credibility, what are you doing? And for who's benefit? Because it's certainly not based in principle or benevolent. If you cared genuinely cared about information hygiene you would be at least equally concerned with issues in the legacy news media as you are about random people who go on Rogan's podcast. I would also put money on the bet that some of those people are also intelligence assets, just as there are at all the big papers and news stations.
This is really just intellectual sleight of hand. People who are experts make mistakes and people who are not experts also make mistakes. Some are good faith, some are bad faith. Your issue is with heuristics. You think it's virtuous to internalise the heuristic that "institutions are trustworthy, therefore one should always trust unverified truth claims on their part". This is a bad heuristic. It also a bad heuristic to never trust institutions. This doesn't deal with your problem of some guy with a podcast talking to people and you not liking the fact that they don't push back enough on topics you're sensitive about.
The thing is, he does push back. Why do you think he got Dave Smith on for Murray's interview. That was part of his pushback against all the NeoCon little hat war mongering that he knew Murray would be doing.
Dill_Donor@reddit
So you come to reddit, and you hop into a conversation, but you're just SO BRAVE that instead of engaging my comment, you just courageously hit the down arrow? My my, you really are a Dave Smith caliber of academic
sethlyons777@reddit
Cry about it some more lmao
Dill_Donor@reddit
This is some seriously cerebral shit right here. Like seriously you must be as smart an intellectual as say, a Dave Smith.
hansuluthegrey@reddit
Imagine being this disingenuous
Its not about opinions just little "that just my opinion". Theyre actively telling people to trust them over doctors while spreading things that are scientifically wrong.
sethlyons777@reddit
The irony of calling me disingenuous and then saying that lol
Mister_Taco_Oz@reddit
Nothing about that is disingenuous
_Tal@reddit
It depends. If experts are largely split on an issue, then sure, you can pick a side if you want. If there’s an overwhelming consensus among experts, on the other hand, then yes actually, you kind of do need to be an expert yourself if you’re going to try to upend everything we currently know about the subject, because to legitimately do so would probably earn you awards and widespread scientific recognition.
If you think you’ve found something obvious enough that a laymen could notice it, but also that all the experts somehow missed, it’s practically guaranteed that the experts didn’t miss it and you’re the one who’s missing something due to your lack of knowledge on the subject.
Successful-Type-4700@reddit
Dave smith doesnt just have an opinion he acts like an expert on the subject matter but when pushed on the details always pussies out with "i never claimed to be an expert"
WilliamBurrito@reddit
It says in the post you don’t have to be an expert to have an opinion. The point is stop pretending your opinion should be considered equal to a professional’s expertise, especially on a podcast with no pushback.
sethlyons777@reddit
This is such a cucked take. If you want institutional expert opinion you can watch cable tv. People don't watch Rogan for institutionally approved messaging. It's crazy how on one hand the establishment is seething so fucking hard that they don't have a Rogan of their own, but still don't understand why it is that Rogan is eating better than them. There's absolutely no introspection, truly a "No, it's the kids that are wrong" level consideration.
WilliamBurrito@reddit
The irony is the conversation pictured is a guy calling out Rogan for having a ww2 history revisionist talk about how the holocaust was greatly exaggerated with no pushback or expert opinion. Sometimes Joe should take more responsibility for allowing crackpots to blather on about race-baiting disinformation was the entire point, and if you think that’s unreasonable or cucked please touch grass.
sethlyons777@reddit
This just reads as, "I'm mad because someone who I can't control does stuff I can't control so I'm going to say that he platforms Nazis"
It's so tired and nobody takes you seriously.
WilliamBurrito@reddit
That’s literally the context of this conversation, I’m sorry you do not like it.
sethlyons777@reddit
How do you know that it's context of this conversation though? Have you actuallyBEAN there?
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
But Douglas agreed to the debate. The analogy would be
DM: I want to you to look at my car DS: Okay you have a flat tire. DM: no I just need an oil replacement DS: no it’s clear that you have a punctured tire DM: are you a mechanic DS: no, but I have eyes DM: how do you know I have a puncture, have you BEAN to the place where the puncture occurred.
Successful-Type-4700@reddit
You missed his point. Dave smith tries to act like an expert but when the same standards that are applied to experts is applied to him he just says "i never claimed to be an expert" and then in the next breath says he knows more than a lot of experts
He wants to have his cake and eat it too
likeaboz2002@reddit
But he doesn’t do that during the debate. He never hides behind not being an expert. The only time “being an expert” is mentioned is when Murray brings it up to avoid actually engaging with the argument Dave Smith is making. Smith never hides behind “not being an expert” as an excuse when his arguments are proven wrong. Murray is only using the “expert” card as an attempted character assassination, rather than actually telling Smith/the audience why Smith’s arguments are wrong.
gangrenous_bigot@reddit
He absolutely does. He claims to never have claimed to be an expert but then offers analysis and edgy analysis at that which he hopes to pass off as just as insightful as that of the experts.
sethlyons777@reddit
Sounds like you're claiming to be an expert on this matter. You should be deplatformed, Nazi.
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
>next breath says he knows more than a lot of experts
If you go to mechanic with a flat tire and then the mechanic says your tires are fine, then you do in fact know more than "experts"
Memnarchist@reddit
Highly regarded
sethlyons777@reddit
This is exactly why people are consuming podcasts over legacy media. No podcast lied the entire Anglo-American empire into war on lies during which war crimes were committed. Just one example. That's entirely why the boot licking talking heads like Murray are so mad. It makes their jobs a lot more difficult.
Successful-Type-4700@reddit
podcasters made americans believe trump would be a competent president
sethlyons777@reddit
Anyone who believes any candidate would be a competent head of state is a dupe, or deceiving themselves. It's less about the platform and more about how people interface with them. If they weren't consuming podcasts they'd likely be dumped by some other medium. A sensible person is sceptical of any messaging on any platform.
The establishment's war on podcasts based on the false premise of benevolent desire for truth is a cover for the desire to maintain ratings and control of the narrative. It's an existential issue for the established media industry. The fact that a bunch of comedians doing their thing in their little corner of the internet is disturbing such a massive complex of interest just goes to show how fragile, outsized and weak it's all become.
They can put the fries in the bag.
Successful-Type-4700@reddit
Its shows how easily disinformation can be spread and how gullible people are to trust totally unqualified peoples word. It hows just how far anti establishmemt brainrot has spread.
sethlyons777@reddit
Yeah, it sucks having to cope with the loss of an election and the degradation of your society. All of this was inevitable if you know what the Anglo-American empire was built on, particularly through the late 19th to late 20th century.
Successful-Type-4700@reddit
and that is?
sethlyons777@reddit
Not really something you can sum up in a Reddit post, but if you read some C Wright Mills and Peter Dale Scott that'll do you well
Able_Caregiver8067@reddit
Who made americans believe biden would be a competent president?
Successful-Type-4700@reddit
He was a pretty competent president. No huge scandals, no stupid trade wars and got a lot of actual legislstion through
Hot_Injury7719@reddit
Right. But his “critical thinking” skills usually take him to “The experts were wrong about the tire and I was right. Therefore, I know more about cars than them”.
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
Dave's quite careful to not go against real experts. He declined to debate Benny Morris, because he knew that Morris would wipe the floor with him. He only debate pseudo intellectual "expert" grifters like Douglas.
Successful-Type-4700@reddit
The more real hypothetical is the mechanic identifying the flat tire but you dont believe him because the expert class is woke or has financial incentives or some shit so instead you blindly trust the podcaster who says you actually need an entire new rim set
FeeblyBee@reddit
The problem with your analogy is that it assumes that DS is correct, when he isn't.
People like Smith want to both have the attention and authority of an expert (hairless apes like Joe Rogan clearly treat him as an expert, or even better, as an Expert+, because they are outside traditional institutions and apes love that shit nowadays) and also hide behind "I'm not an expert, tho!!!" whenever they receive criticism for their grift from actual experts. Have the cake and eat it too.
Another symptom of the grift as hanging on the weakest part of Murray's argument, which is the "have you been there" bit. Ignore the entire hour of him consistently destroying Smith, and just laser focus on the easiest, weakest argument.
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
>actual experts
Murray has a bachelor's in English, he's an expert in nothing
>Murray's argument
There were absolutely none.
>consistently destroying Smith
The only thing Murray ended up destroying is his reputation
FeeblyBee@reddit
And my point is that your analogy fails here, because what Dave Smith is doing is not "seeing what's happening" nor pointing out "what's obvious to everyone". Grifters of his ilk simply enjoy cloaking themselves in the vibe of "truthteller just saying like it is, bro, just trust your eyes, bro"
Who said anything about Murray? The shit Dave Smith spews isn't contradicted just by Murray, but the entire establishment (gasp) of historians, journalists end experts dedicating their lives to these topics. Which again, for apes like Joe Rogan is actually a plus, because the Pavlovian instinct they have conditioned themselves into is to automatically be more receptive to "outsider" grifters selling an alternative narrative to the one given by professionals.
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
Nah it's not complicated, it's obvious to everyone. What we're seeing is a livestreamed holocaust.
FeeblyBee@reddit
It's not complicated and obvious to everyone that the Euromaidan was sparked by the russian-bought president Yanukovich not signing the parliament approved EU association agreement, and the Maidan Revolution began because he attempted to outlaw protesting and had his cops shot at protestors
Why does Dave Smith lie that it was a CIA coup? Why does he make excuses for the war criminals and imperialists in the Kremlin? I'll give you a hint; it's the same reason he rants against Israel.
_Tal@reddit
What? In what world is agreeing to a debate analogous to wanting someone to look at your car? The whole point of a debate is that you think the other person is wrong and want to demonstrate that. You don’t ask someone to look at your car when you know their position already and think they’re wrong lol. This analogy makes no sense at all.
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
>wrong and want to demonstrate that
Then why didn't Murray do it. Instead, he sat there saying oh you're not qualified to debate me, mf then why did you agree to do the debate
sethlyons777@reddit
Exactly
PlusAd4034@reddit
Except it went more like “Can you help me fix my car” I can help you with that” Are you a mechanic” “no i know a thing or two though” “fuck off” “But you just asked me to help you fix your car?” But you’re not a mechanic” “But i never asked you to fix my car I asked a mechanic”.
DR_MEPHESTO4ASSES@reddit
Lol the anarcho-communist flag says it all
Derp2638@reddit
This was a pretty disingenuous misrepresentation of what was happening in the conversation and misses the point entirely.
It was much closer to I need to see what’s wrong with my car.
I can take a look at it and might be able to figure out what’s wrong based on my own knowledge and fairly easy deductions or at least possibly point you in the right directions.
Are you a mechanic ?
No but I can see if I notice anything off that makes it easier to see what’s wrong with it and have had my own experiences.
I want an actual mechanic.
Are you saying that I shouldn’t even give my opinion when I have my own experiences and might see something off.
I want a mechanic to look at it and not someone that’s not a mechanic and doesn’t have a specialization in handling cars.
I never said I had a specialization in handling cars. I have my own car and have had my own experiences and knowledge.
Then why are you saying you might know what’s wrong with my car then ?
The point isn’t that the non expert opinion is right. It’s that the non-expert can make very easy deductions based on their own experiences and knowledge where they can make a pretty educated guess on what’s going on. Not only that but if they get it wrong they said pretty straightforwardly that they aren’t an expert before hand.
WilliamBurrito@reddit
Yes but what if the non-mechanic is willingly trying to spread disinformation to get men to pour water into their gas-tank? Wouldn’t it be helpful to have a mechanic’s opinion as well in order to help decide if water does belong in a gas tank or not?
Fraisz@reddit
do you really need a mechanic opinion to know not to pour water into your gas tank.
gami13@reddit
do you not know what a metaphor is?
Tthelaundryman@reddit
But have you #BEAAAN
gami13@reddit
it's "been" you dimwit
Screlingo@reddit
npc reply
sethlyons777@reddit
This Redditor has never BEAN
Tthelaundryman@reddit
But have you BEAN
gcashmoneymillionair@reddit
Doug you gotta give up and take the L at this point.
barryhakker@reddit
Meanwhile, there is a true intellectual powerhouse like me who is tired of both comedians suddenly pretending to be experts on everything as well as traditional media’s experts gatekeeping.
People should basically just listen to me is what I’m saying.
NonAwesomeDude@reddit
Zionist with the anarchist flag is hilarious. "I don't believe in states except for that one"
TheFalconKid@reddit
A slight nudge and you push them all the way around to a one-world government.
TheFalconKid@reddit
Maybe the average conversion is like that yeah, but the conversation that these two actually had was the complete opposite. Dude on the right was basically saying if you haven't been to a warzone how can you talk about it.
I should clarify, I am a certified Dave Smith hater but this other guy was a complete idiot.
Asylumset@reddit
this is what a conversation with a conservative grifter sounds like
Elyvagar@reddit
This is what the average conversation with a redditor feels like.
Dont_Touch_My_Nachos@reddit
You wouldn't happen to be an expert on redditors in order to share that opinion would you?
Elyvagar@reddit
I am an expert on absolutely nothing.
Salty_Nonsense@reddit
I guess that would make you a Queen of all practices
Cabra42@reddit
Socratian
Dqueezy@reddit
hagamablabla@reddit
No but I know a thing or two about redditors
Dont_Touch_My_Nachos@reddit
Corbakobasket@reddit
You know, I'm something of a redditor myself.
Infuser@reddit
I’m not an expert BUT I’m kind of a big deal on a place called Reddit
idontknowjuspickone@reddit
Source?
MrMilesDavis@reddit
Average? Who are YOU to say who the average reddit conversation looks like? You really think you can speak for everyone?
I don't usually "/s" but I really don't think this one is obvious, lol
OuthouseEZ@reddit
Gonna need a source for that, bucko
static_func@reddit
Worse, the Redditor is also frantically googling between responses to be even more insecure
StrikingAd2780@reddit
The thing is that the comedian guy will help to pay for the car(society ) with taxes ,so no matter how retarded his position is He does have the right of representation through taxation.
petertompolicy@reddit
I mean DM is a fucking moron to he fair.
soapy5@reddit
Op's wet dream involves little hats
AmouroRay@reddit
MRNA "vaccines" are not actually vaccines and only work for a couple of months while negatively impacting cardiovascular health in men. I'd take any viral vector vaccine just for funsies, so don't call me "anti-vax."
m03svt@reddit
Found the israeli
blueponies1@reddit
Who is on the right? He looks like a mixture of Chef Gordon Ramsey and Ozzy Osbourne
NichS144@reddit
This is a silly strawman since Murray himself contradicts his own argument in previous statements, literally condemning appeal to authority arguments. However, when you are in the Israeli government's pocket, all principals go out the windows and you'll shill like they have blackmail material on you.
Demonnugget@reddit
An amateur can do a lot of work on a car, the main setback is having the tools. Maybe not a great analogy.
Captaincorect@reddit
You're car's battery is dead I can replace the battery easy for you.
Are you the mechanic?
No but I'm a man who knows basic car repair...
SO YOU'RE NOT AN EXPERT!
It's a battery change out, and if you don't believe you can find 100's of how-to's on Youtube...
THEN WHY ARE YOU OFFERING TO FIX MY CAR!!!!
This is what it's like talking to grown men who play loli anime girl games all day
Ck_shock@reddit
Wait till anon finds out the expert at the shop was is actually someone who just knows a thing or two.
BigHatPat@reddit
hearing Dave Smith talk about Ukraine felt like staring at the Sun
Screlingo@reddit
this. exactly. been saying it since this aired but its insane how you can flood these kinda people with logic and sense while they come up with the most moronic responses imaginable.
radarmy@reddit
Dave has always been the unfunny member of LOS, the guy his dumb friends see as smart, and he bought into the idea as well. It must be exhausting to constantly be doing all his mental gymnastics.
ComicBookFanatic97@reddit
Comparing having an opinion about global politics to car repair seems kind of disingenuous.
phucnguyen99@reddit
Average ragebait podcast behavior
TarminatorTriesIt@reddit
"Actually, I'll fix it myself." "Do you have any car knowledge whatsoever?" "No but I went on an all-expenses paid trip to a General Motors Factory." "Wait so you don't actually know anything about cars?" "Have you actually seen a car being manufactured before? No? Then you can't have an opinion."
The other end of this conversation.
kpingvin@reddit
That's basically every conspiracy theorist.
CIMARUTA@reddit
Actually a great analogy
NonAwesomeDude@reddit
Not even remotely.
Trying to physically make changes to a car when you're not a mechanic == saying "hey killing kids is bad" when you haven't been paid and shuttled around on a tour by the IDF?
WilliamBurrito@reddit
The actual conversation they had was about their Nazi-revisionist history guest who peddles constant misinformation about the holocaust with no pushback or factchecking.
sethlyons777@reddit
That part of the conversation was Murray holding the podcast hostage for 45 minutes and not actually getting anywhere with it because he knew that Smith would beat the shit out of him on the topics of Israel and Ukraine, which were topics in the book Murray was doing a promo tour for. The actual conversation was a lot more than that.
It also came about in that 45 minute period of the conversation that Murray had no idea who or what he was talking about and was just attempting to show horn in buzz words to associate Smith with bad things as a PR stunt. It largely didn't work and he's since been trying to rehabilitate his wounded credibility in oped articles by smearing Smith and questioning his Jewish heritage.
sethlyons777@reddit
It is if you don't know how analogies work or how to critically assess them
ProprietaryIsSpyware@reddit
Anon is ancom and therefore is wrong on whatever he says
TehSmitty04@reddit
That's just Twitter
GrumpyKitten514@reddit
man, I feel like this little exchange is very reminiscent of radio talk shows and some podcasts.
like its just talking for talking's sake to extend the hour long episode or whatever. like this feels like breakfast club, or this morning show we used to listen to in spanish driving into NYC at like 6am when i was a kid, or like a joe rogan exchange.
sethlyons777@reddit
This post wears a glowing, gay little hat
DowntownSasquatch420@reddit
Just say you like going on /pol/ bro
Reddit is very accepting of such activity