I remember back when Cursed Child came out and I was riled up about Hermione being black in that. I told one person IRL about it and they asked me why I cared. It was a real wake-up moment for me when I realised there was no actual reason, even back then when I was a teenager, to give a shit. I wasted serious brainpower thinking about a franchise I did not care even slightly about having a differently-coloured person as a character I also did not care about. It was pathetic then, it's pathetic now, and I can only wish that one day the internet moves past this bullshit and onto actual issues.
Casting one main character (not the lead obviously, Rowling would never allow harry not to be white) as a minority is an obvious performative inclusion designed to make white liberals feel better about themselves. It's shallow and meaningless, and only exists to pretend that these people care without actually doing anything to stop actual systemic issues facing minorities.
On the other hand getting pressed about it is major loser shit. Why should it matter to you, an adult man, that a character from a kids show is now black. A show that is not intended for you and you will not watch. I enjoyed harry potter as a kid, and I wouldn't have liked it less if Hermione was black. Sure I wouldn't have had a crush on her, but I also didn't have a crush on Ron and still enjoyed the films. Pic related brings this to another level of cringe and weird. Like a bunch of dudes are upset because the child who has been cast as Hermione is not a race they find fuckable. Truly gross pedo shit
Brother saying that you are not attracted to everyone from one ethnicity is just pure racism.
There is quite literally no argument against that cause we are not talking preferences at that point. It's literally saying I don't find people of x ethnicity attractive because they are x ethnicity.
It literally is preferences though. I am also not attracted to any woman who uses fake tan.
It's not 'i don't find x ethnicity attractive because they are that ethnicity', it's 'i don't find x ethnicity attractive because x ethnicity is defined by features I don't find attractive'
And what's your suggested solution, am I supposed to force myself to find certain features attractive? For the sake of not being racist? Am I supposed to do that for every single ethnicity on the planet?
It literally is preferences though. I am also not attracted to any woman who uses fake tan.
Are you stupid? is a fake tan an ethnicity?
ethnicity is defined by features I don't find attractive'
Objectively this is false because there are people in every ethnicity that have varied features. Features that are no different than the features you would generally see in other ethnicities.
Stating that one ethnicity does not have features you will find attractive is objective incorrect.
And what's your suggested solution, am I supposed to force myself to find certain features attractive? For the sake of not being racist?
Dawg finding certain features not attractive is not racist (unless that feature is just straight up skin color). Stating that there is NO ONE of a certain ethnicity that you would find attractive is objectively racist.
There will be at least 1 individual who fits your taste.
But please enlighten me. What ethnicity do you not find attractive and what features do they ALL share that you don’t find attractive?
Basing attraction purely on the color of someone's skin is literally textbook racism.
Saying "I find pale girls attractive" and saying "I don't find people with dark skin attractive" has two different implication. One is a preference, the other is racist.
No, It's the exact same thing. One is more negatively worded I guess, but they're both defining a range of attributes a person finds attractive. Is it sexist to say that I don't find dudes attractive?
Besides, the guy didn't say the second thing anyways, just that he'd had a crush on Emma Watson, and wouldn't have if she had looked different.
One is more negatively worded I guess, but they're both defining a range of attributes a person finds attractive. Is it sexist to say that I don't find dudes attractive?
The fact that multiple people have brought up that example of "Is it sexist to say that I don't find dudes attractive" is just a prime example of how absolutely lacking in basic critical thinking people are.
Dude be absolutely for real right now. why would not finding dudes attractive make you sexist? You are genuinely a dumbass or something?
Sexual orientation is determined by genetics. Physical attraction to person is determined mostly by the environment you grew up in and the beauty standards of your culture.
Conflating the two shows a complete lack of understanding on how people work. Gay men aren't sexist for not finding women attractive. But a Gay man might be racist if he says there is not a single Black man who he would find a attractive.
There are not saying "they have a range of attribute that they do/don't find attractive". They literally said and I quote "It's not 'i don't find x ethnicity attractive because they are that ethnicity', it's 'i don't find x ethnicity attractive because x ethnicity is defined by features I don't find attractive'"
It's absolutely shocking that I have to explain this but preferences does not mean exclusion. If I say "I like girls with pale skin" it means that i like them a lot but it doesn't mean i wouldn't like someone who doesn't have pale skin.
The guy who you are defending was stating that he doesn't find an ENTIRE ETHNICITY ATTRACTIVE because of features they share. Not only is this wrong because basic understanding of human biology and genetics will tell you that people within an ethnicity have a wide range of features and will not share all or most features with each other (other than perhaps having darker toned skin which still varies as well). But given that what I stated is true it means his issue is skin color.
Quite literally on the virtue of someone's skin color (nothing about face or body or personality) he doesn't find them attractive.
It means that if that dude saw a girl who was as attractive as Emma Watson with the same features but they had a darker skin tone he would not find her attractive. That is quite literally the definition of racism.
Now unless you agree with that I'm not sure why you are even commenting.
It means that if that dude saw a girl who was as attractive as Emma Watson with the same features but they had a darker skin tone he would not find her attractive. That is quite literally the definition of racism.
I'm just going to ignore the rest of your rant because it all boils down to this line, which is wrong.
Skin tone is a part of how people look. White people tan themselves (in part) to be more attractive. People in Asia "white" themselves for the same reason. Saying that you prefer lighter skin is fine. You're allowed to like what you like.
Since black people generally have dark skin (a defining characteristic of their ethnicity), they are unlikely to have light-coloured skin. If that is against someone else's preference, it's fine. It doesn't mean the other person is less. It just means that they aren't attractive to that specific person.
You wouldn't be having the same fit if he had said they don't find redheads attractive, or don't find blue eyes attractive. You're just so upset because you've been conditioned to see anything to do with skin colour to be racist.
Skin tone is a part of how people look. White people tan themselves (in part) to be more attractive. People in Asia "white" themselves for the same reason.
People in Asia bleaching their skin is an incredibly well known awful cultural practice that stems from the association skin color with wealth. Same with white people. These are not healthy associations by the way.
Since black people generally have dark skin (a defining characteristic of their ethnicity), they are unlikely to have light-coloured skin. If that is against someone else's preference, it's fine. It doesn't mean the other person is less. It just means that they aren't attractive to that specific person.
Brother you cannot be serious. Do light skin black people not exist? Generally the color of skin for black people varies greatly within their own ethnicity. Like with literally every other ethnicity. This is just plain incorrect information.
I'm just going to ignore the rest of your rant
That's awfully convenient for you but I guess that's what you have to do when you don't have any good points to make.
It doesn't mean the other person is less. It just means that they aren't attractive to that specific person.
Dude this isn't the 1800s the definition of racism isn't only viewing someone as an inferior race or something. It's discrimination based on race.
You wouldn't be having the same fit if he had said they don't find redheads attractive, or don't find blue eyes attractive. You're just so upset because you've been conditioned to see anything to do with skin colour to be racist.
My brother in christ are you mentally challenged?
This is an incredibly frustrating conversation to have when it seems like you can't understand basic English.
The issue here is that he is NOT TALKING ABOUT PREFERENCES.
You keep talking about preferences but that is not the conversation. The conversation is that regardless of the physical features one would have he would find them NOT ATTRACTIVE because of ethnicity. Thats insane.
You are giving an incredibly charitable interpretation to someone who literally is talking about ethnicity. He never talked about skin tone btw.
Also do note that it would still be insane to say "I would never find someone with red hair or blue eyes attractive". I would think you mentally ill or deficient.
The issue in these three cases is the exclusivity. Stating that one would NEVER find someone with such superficial characteristics like skin color, hair color and eye color attractive and that anyone with those characteristics is less attractive is just some Aryan ideology hiding behind the facade of "just being what I like bro". Especially when it comes to skin color, that comes from a personal association of skin color with it being unattractive.
This isn't a genetic thing that one cannot do anything about. Attraction is a result of cultural norms and if you view a certain ethnicity as less attractive because they are that ethnicity then that is just pure racism.
Brother is giving Canadians a bad name. Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised from a dude who is blatantly conservative.
people from different ethnicities are generally known to have differing physical characteristics lol. Physical characteristics generally being the main thing that determines if you find someone attractive by appearance or not
people from different ethnicities are generally known to have differing physical characteristics lol.
We live on a planet with 8 billion plus people and you are telling me it's not possible that someone of a certain ethnicity will have features you find attractive?
Are you a dumbass?
There are people of every ethnicity who has features of every other ethnicity. Genetics mix especially in the modern day.
To say "i would find no one of x ethnicity attractive" just means that you are a racist or a dumbass but probably both.
But please prove me wrong. What ethnicity do you not find attractive and what features do people of that ethnicity ALL share that you find unattractive?
There are people of every ethnicity who has features of every other ethnicity. Genetics mix especially in the modern day.
Well if someone says "I'm generally attracted to members of x ethnic group, and not attracted to y ethnic group" yeah sure you can find someone who is mixed and in y ethnic group but with more x features, or other one off exceptions but that's kinda besides the point of whether the statement of preference itself is problematic or racist though.
To say "i would find no one of x ethnicity attractive" just means that you are a racist or a dumbass but probably both.
This is kinda the main argument but you don't really back up your stance here other than the point about people sometimes having features of other ethnicities.
But please prove me wrong. What ethnicity do you not find attractive and what features do people of that ethnicity ALL share that you find unattractive?
I'm not the original person and there isn't any ethnicity I'm aware of that I'd be attracted to zero members of. There are certainly some that I am on average more or less likely to be attracted to. I just don't see that as really being a matter of racism
Well if someone says "I'm generally attracted to members of x ethnic group, and not attracted to y ethnic group" yeah sure you can find someone who is mixed and in y ethnic group but with more x features, or other one off exceptions but that's kinda besides the point of whether the statement of preference itself is problematic or racist though.
My brother in christ that is not what I am talking about.
I'm not talking about general statements I am very explicitly talking about people who said "i would never date someone from X group EVER".
There are certainly some that I am on average more or less likely to be attracted to. I just don't see that as really being a matter of racism
Once again this is not what I am talking about. Reading comprehension is at an all time low.
You literally just said "There are certainly some that I am on average more or less likely to be attracted to"
Does that sound like "I would never be attracted to anyone who is [inserted ethnicity/race here]. No because it's not the same thing.
This is kinda the main argument but you don't really back up your stance here other than the point about people sometimes having features of other ethnicities.
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What other back-up is there? People are essentially stating "I would not be attracted to anyone from X ethnic group because they don't have features i find attractive". On a planet with 8 billion people that is simply a stupid thing to say or just racist. There will always be some people of every ethnicity that has features that a person would find attractive, unless their issue is just skin color or that they are a different ethnicity.
The only way for this statement to be true is if you met every single person in the world of a particular ethnicity and did this every year whenever more people become adults to truly say "i don't find anyone from X ethnic group attractive". Thats is obviously impossible. Hence why saying such a thing is objectively stupid and most likely comes from racist sentiments.
I swear whenever I discuss this basic logical premise I get comments from people who don't read and so they think I am saying "preferences are racist", people who are actually racist or people who are racist and can't read.
Brother I know people in this subreddit ain't bright but are you being for real?
Being goth is not an ethnicity...
It would make you racist if, For example you meet a white girl who has all the features you would like and is your ideal women in everyway (taste, personality, etc.) And you still wouldn't like her.
That straight up means you don't like her cause she is white and no other reason. Which would indeed be racist.
A person ethnicity just provides what they MIGHT generally look like or what they MIGHT generally value. Every white person (or person of any race/ethnicity) do not look the same and do not act the same.
It's highly arguable that rejecting every person from the said ethnicity is fueled by racial bias to atleast a minimal degree. An attractive person or an unattractive person from an ethnicity is different, but bringing everyone under the same umbrella and then just saying you'd never date them is racially biased or even racist.
I kind of disagree with the first point. I don’t think it’s fair to say any time a main cast member is a minority it’s only for the sake of woke inclusiveness. It seems to make more sense that a school based in a majorly populated country would have some minorities instead of being all white. It’s not like skin color has anything to do with the character arc
Cool, so at least 1/20 students wouldn’t be white even if they weren’t in a make believe magic castle. A school that also explicitly allows international students in the books. Any other statistics you’d like to post to help your narrative?
lol relax, I just thought it would be relevant to add more specific context to your description about Britain being “a majorly populated that would have some minorities instead of being all white” since it seemed like that was a bit vague
Uh huh, sure you were. I took a look in your history and just earlier today you were arguing that black people are inherently violent and more likely to be criminals. If you’re going to cherry pick statistics to push your racist narratives, at least grow some balls and say your bullshit outright
In isolation I agree but Rowling saying not only was Hermione black but Hermione was always black came after her reconning a bunch of characters to make them more woke, like saying Dumbledore was gay
I think any of these things in isolation are fine. And honestly Dumbledore being gay is kind of an interesting story beat, it just felt inorganic and performative that she said this after years of not mentioning it. Like if she always imagined Hermione as black then why didn't she say anything when Emma Watson was cast. Why does Dumbledores sexuality never come up in the movies where he's mainly fighting who is canonically the former love of his life who became a dark wizard.
Rowling faced the tiniest little bit of scrutiny about her books after the films came out - people wondering why the irish character made bombs and got drunk, and the only black character was called kingsley shacklebolt. Not to mention the dodgy ways she describes goblins and the cho chang fiasco.
Rather than just admit that she didn't give a shit, she decided the best way to approach it was just to start pretending her story was always inclusive - dumbledore was actually gay, hermione was actually black, Lupin was bisexual (works really poorly for her werewolf/aids metaphor) etc. She then faced criticism for this and went totally off the rails.
I think she'd write a more interesting version of the books nowadays considering all these things she clearly wasn't aware of back then, if her brain wasn't completely rotted on culture war bullshit.
Impossible! I’m not sure why people act like it’s more woke to pick a possibly worse white actor over the overall best actor regardless of skin color. Which would be an actual meritocracy
I don’t think it really matters for Snape either tbh. He’s written in the books to look like Alan Rickman does in the films, but it isn’t important to the plot. As far as I can remember there’s no plot reason that prevents a black actor playing Snape. It’s not like making Hagrid a dwarf instead of half giant. Harry’s eye colour was an actual plot point because he’s meant to have the same green eyes as his dead mum, but in the films Harry has blue eyes because the actor was allergic to contact lenses. It was a somewhat significant plot point in the books but changing it had no impact on the film.
Harry’s eye color was a sore point for many fans back in the day and still is for a lot of purists. Most people got over it though.
Snape’s appearance is one of the most described in the series. Rowling can go a single scene without shitting on his appearance, so it’s a jarring and unnecessary change. People will get used to it though. Probably.
The problematic stuff comes from the fact that James Potter bullied Snape for pretty much no reason other than his looks. Making snape black obviously makes that look a lot worse.
Well, it's simple. You cared about the authenticity of something that you believed to be culturally relevant and important. When that thing was coopted for what was obvious virtue signaling, you were understandably annoyed, because it felt like you'd had something taken from you. It's the same reason people ridicule the kangz and anyone who says the Egyptian pharaohs were actually black. It's like... No, they weren't. Stop trying to steal culture that isn't yours.
Sometimes it affects the plot though, like with snape. With hermione it makes little difference though, and her race is never mentioned in the booksor so I’m told, I haven’t read/watched most of it so don’t give a shit either way
Honestly, I just care that things are accurate to the source material. If the person cast meets the description given that’s all I care about. This casting seems like it does. The snape casting? No
For me, personally, I get irritated about major appearance changes. Color scheme and shape is a big part!
I don't like black to white, white to black, Asian to Brazilian, Brazilian to Asian, etc. or race swap in general.
But!
When an actor/actress really embodies the character, I can make an exception to their appearance difference. Because at that point, they ARE the character for me.
Honestly, I loved black Ford Prefect in the HHGTTG movie. No offense to the more accurate show version, but he just feels right.
I do think adaptations should respect source material with regards to how people look, but I'm not gonna get riled up over it, especially if the actor is good.
They don’t give a fuck lmao. They don’t need need any more views, they know that the HP fan base is large enough that, even if only a fraction of those fans consistently watch the show, they’re set to make millions. Easily.
It’s the same with Star Wars, even the movies/shows that are widely considered to be bad were massive commercial successes with only one or two exceptions.
Not really. I’m pretty sure every single piece of Star Wars media has generated a profit except for the Christmas Special and Solo. Even the crappy animated movie about baby Jabba made millions.
It’s not engagement bait, it’s a just casting decision that doesn’t really affect the story one way or another. Just because people are getting mad about it doesn’t mean that it’s bait, they just don’t care if they demographic who won’t watch the show because of an actors race doesn’t watch the show. They don’t need the 4chan trolls, they’re going to make millions regardless.
Yes, but it was legitimately awful. I hate all the outrage against the casting choices because it was a smokescreen for the terrible writing, wooden acting, and pants on head dumb plot.
This isn’t true though lol. Neither Andor or The Acolyte turned a profit. The Acolyte cost 230m and canceled after one season. Andor cost almost $650m and only made $300m of it back.
It's highly rated, but it's a slow burn political/spy thriller and a lot of the attention came after the season wrapped so people could confidently say they stuck the landing.
Yeah but see how much in profit they have generated. It has decreased with each installment with solo barely breaking even. The shows arent much better
That was true however they aren’t generating profits anymore. Rise of skywalker burnt through what goodwill the fans had left, and mostly everything has flopped since. It’s the same with marvel movies. It doesn’t happen overnight but with consecutive bad films/shows fan sentiment erodes and things start flopping.
Snow White was a really loved show, with a massive current and old fan base. Now it’s the worst performing movie in box office and Disney is eating the biggest loss of their existence, on a remake of the movie that made Disney a household name. They need views
They also changed the characters ethnicity, having a woman named Snow White, known for her pale white complexion, to not be a pale white person at all. The movie was overly woke and changed the entire story of the original because they believed it was too creepy??? And when fans pointed out that this is a mistake and, and the team saying they had to rewrite the story a few times should have been a red flag that the film is going to suck, and instead of taking criticism the lead actor became a raging lunatic for everyone to laugh at. The movie failed for many reasons, some external, many internal. Changing the entire story to match a skin color change to be more politically correct while politically challenging was a dumb move. Velma failed for the same reason.
So the comparison is something can be absolutely loved, like Star Wars, where they add on or change shit that never needed to be changed, and despite the vocal minority of the fan base hating a few episodes or shows, it still succeeded. This isn’t universal to every studio and show. Star Wars is so long that people who are still commited to it are going to watch the movies even if they know it’s shit, for the sake of having more story. Harry Potter doesn’t need this. Snow White didn’t need this. Snow White failed despite having a massive following of its own.
Many companies have been pro Israel without hiding it, and haven’t been boycotted nearly as heavily then… Snow White flopped for many reasons. Rachel was a lunatic before it even released, their political stance, the story changing from the original to rather have a message that isn’t even really catered to kids, in a kids movie. Where a character was heavily changed. Most parents who didn’t care would rather just sit at home and put the original Snow White on. They don’t feel compelled to travel to a cinema to watch a story they either believe is going to be the exact same, or know was changed to fill an unnecessary message.
If it was a small studio that was found out to be supporting Israel or whatever, I could understand boycotting being a heavy hitter, but it’s Disney. The largest film making company in the industry. Kids don’t care about the wars going on, and many parents aren’t going out of their way to have a crying child just to stand on their political beliefs.
Their advertising game sucks, the story was changed despite heavy warning, calling the classic movie outdated and creepy is not a good sign.
Thats not a quote, youre putting words in their mouth.
They dont need the 50,000 basement trolls that will loudly refuse to watch the movie, because those people never will.
What those 50,000 basement trolls will do: all the marketing for the show. Those 50,000 people will loudly proclaim "This movie is great for children to see that people of all races can be best friends!!! Isnt that terrible??" And the parents will all say "phew! I was worried they were going to add boobs to it" and go sit their kids in front of it, knowing their kids will grow up to be normal, civilized people.
If anything the engagement bait will just make fans more defensive of the show as a whole thus escalating into getting fans to be even more parasocial with it.
Yes it does??? It's free advertising. They don't need to sell harry potter, they just need people to be reminded that the show exists. These people not only remind everyone for free, but also motivate people who wouldn't watch it because of Rowling to watch it just to spite chuds. If this strategy didn't work I guarantee they would stop doing it, but it does work. Same reason Trump says half of the regarded shit he says. It's all about the attention economy.
Trump also says things that are inflammatory but that people agree with. And getting people to vote is not the same thing as selling items. Also the amount of people that would watch something to "spite the chuds" are very few and not enough to actually make a profit. They are just loud here in the reddit echochambers but dont be fooled
That cant be right? Hollywood is purely profit motivated. If it has time and time again proven to not translate to viewership and instead makes shows bomb, why would they do it?
That implies there's some kind of motivation beyond just financial.
Not really. The far more likely option is just that either you or the studio is out of touch with what viewers want. People wanting more money and just being dumb about it makes a lot more sense than some conspiracy to influence your values.
The market is global. I'm sure their research shows this translates into more sales. The reason why these games and moves suck and don't apeal to fans is because the best model is a safe mediocre game/movie that appeals to a broad audience with good visuals and a bunch of marketing. Can't make this big budget visuals and then only appeal to 40 year old weaboos with a loli fetish.
A lot of people are so online here that they don't realize that a lot of people in real life are still really like Harry Potter outside of hardcore Harry Potter fans.
It will get good viewership for the first season, question is whether or not that viewership will stay and if the show will be good.
Idk why people are assuming it won't instantly be good lol, HBO tries to maintain the quality of their shows and quickly axe shows that get bad reviews or low viewership. It's why the network has such a high reputation.
The showrunner for this show was involved in the writing team of succession and his dark materials and one of the main episode directors worked on game of thrones and succession. They're at least trying very hard.
Like say what you want about the worst HBO show, there was something ambitious happening or a good idea ruined by interference (like the Idol was almost completely reshot with a different cast). At it's worst there's going to be a show that has ambition, even if it doesn't work out.
I think it unfortunately does. Look at disney's "live action" remakes of their old movies. They've generated shitloads of cash purely on nostalgia and the end product is universally panned and garbage, but it doesn't matter because they've drawn in an audience already.
Man I hope not. Did a quick google, and it's gloriously negative. Production cost estimates between 240m and 270m and earned just over 205m and the guess that analysts say it needed to break even is $430m or more.
That's absolutely made my day. Chuddah just keeps winning
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. But marketing a shit product with controversy still sells better than just a shit product on its own, so it's a gamble the execs are willing to make. Granted, they could just, like, make a good product instead, but that takes effort, which they are not willing to make.
I honestly think it does. There is so many shows out there, so any social media attention is good attention. Especially when it doesn't make any difference for the show. Making her black is genius marketing
It's free marketing. Chums will yell and scream online that "muh children's book character isn't white" and while most of their audience will agree with them, some of the people who see their yelling will go "huh i didn't know there's a Harry Potter series, guess I'll watch it"
People should instead not watch it because it'll be shit, not because it has race swapping.
This, exactly. I would have never found out there is a new Harry Potter show. I specifically won't watch it, but I might bring it up in conversation from now. All because some chud was pre-reeeeeeing about race swapped hermione.
Actually yes it does. For every cringy 4 chinner that isn't gonna watch it because one of the characters has too much melanin, theres a chud that is going to watch it just because it has a character with melanin, and they got to or they're racist or smth.
Its two sides of a coin, just happens to be a shitty coin that fell on the toilet and traveled through sewer and drudge
My personal rule of thumb when it comes to changes in already established/known franchises: its ok to change something IF there is a story reason to do it.
If you're not going to do anything about the change other thsn to "just have it" then don't mess with things people are already familiar with.
I don't mind if they make Hermione black, IF they do it for a reason, like to explore something specific to that change
If not, leave things as they are.
I think that's the most rrasonable approach to take with these things.
You forgot the part where the very few members of the original staff side with Rowling in her transphobia so she wants to reboot it with new actors... Like that's gonna make Daniel Rupert and Emma crawl back? Idk, I don't get the logic behind emotional abuse tactics.
There's more than one group of people though. People getting upset leads to the show spreading further via word of mouth and the groups of people who either don't care or care in a reinforcing direction are more likely to hear about it, leading to more views/less need for commercialization.
I know rage marketing works but how ethical is it really for these big companies to “sacrifice” minorities to hate and “outrage” when pushing reboots, remasters revivals whatever the fuck, it really rubs me the wrong way for that reason only
Ginny's lovelife before Harry and why Harry and Ginny were always meant to be (and not Harry and Hermione)
It's been years since I read the books, but wasn't it basically just Harry getting irrationally angry about seeing Ginny dating a black kid (Dean) despite never particularly caring about her in the past?
his skin color wasn't even remotely important. Dean was just the only one in Harry's year in Gryffindor who didn't already have some sort of plotline in OotP (Neville with his parents, Seamus and Harry having spats about Voldemort being back)
I really dont wanna be this guy... But books have unreliable narrator. Parts of book are in 99% seen through lense of Harry which well; is kind of dick, sometimes. Or not even a dick, just not matured boy which... I mean it tracks, considering even in final book Haryr is 17. Let that sink in. Everything Harry had done. Everything Harry achieved. Was before he could legally vote.
That's my biggest pet peeve with people critizising Harry Potter for supposedly making fun of fat people. The narrator compares Dudley to a fat pig because that's how Harry sees him. Mrs. Weasley on the other hand, while clearly being described as overweight, is never portrayed in a negative light.
Half of this stuff is unnecessary. The other half is not compelling enough to create a remake because of it. The movies have already adapted the books well; this is just a pure cash grab to keep the brand relevant.
Even if that was unnecessary, the Prisoner of Azkaban is a prime example of a movie they very badly adapted. If a viewer didn't read the books then they're completely lost on what's going on. Cash grabbing is likely part of it but there is a valid reason for a remake
Not true at all. I watched the first four movies before I touched the books, and I understood just fine. The general consensus is that Prisoner of Azkaban is the best out of the films.
I do get it's the best film for some and if you were able to understand it that's great but when I first saw it and when I showed the movie to others they were all confused with the plot. It can be true for you and not for others. Someone else in the comments brought up a good point as well with GOF having issues explaining the plot for Barty Crouch Jr and Snr. All these details are important to the experience plus in general fans are excited to see the differences in directing. Either way it leaves a lot to be desired for the show
I would agree GOF and HBP aren't great either but you can follow the story. When I first saw HP I had never read the books, when I read POA because they don't explain the marauders backstory you don't get the significance between Sirius, Lupin, James, and Peter and the map so your sat there wondering what in the world is going on. In addition you also wonder why Lupin and Snape can't vouch, for Sirius. Of course we know with the books there's bad blood. Meanwhile with GOF you might not understand everything especially with Crouch Snr, but the main parts I.E Voldemort coming back is conveyed fine enough that most people overlook crouch Jrs backstory.
I miss all the school-related content from the books, including the descriptions of their exams, tests, and the need to study random subjects, etc. It's all gone from the movies. I enjoyed reading about all the day-to-day details in the books.
isnt t Jk Rowling pissed at the movie cast that they publicly said that they condone what she said about Trans people? and that she donates to a Turf party who want to actevly hurt the rights of trans people in the uk?
A lot of things were adapted out of the film, I think it's fair to use a TV series about it. This was not common practice back when the first movie released in 2001, as it was LOST that largely popularized that format.
At the time of release, miniseries per movie would not have worked in the slightest. And neither would 3-4 hour movies, because people still went to theaters.
I mean. I have. But imo theres a lot more cutable content in lotr. HP followed a more traditional and simplistic storytelling format where theres not a ton of fat and most events and characters are directly relevant to the plot. Tolkien can and will go off on half chapter length rants about irrelevant genealogy or landscapes. The amount of interesting and often pretty but ultimately unnecessary poetry in lotr is probably longer than the whole first HP book.
Tolkiens style helped a ton with world building, flavor, set dressing, and visualizing the scene, but while that all takes pages and pages to do in text it can be done in film with, say, a single establishing shot or background music or whatever.
The movies didn’t have Peeves the Poltergeist so obviously the whole movie series is actual dogshit and has to be rebuilt brick by brick. If you think I’m joking I’m really not, Harry Potter fans have begged for two decades for a TV series so every single random bullshit in the books can be crammed in. Want to see Hermione’s subplot in the fourth book where she gets made fun of for fighting for the House Elf slaves to have rights? No? Too bad, fans decided it’s a crucial part of the series and must be included in detail.
Movies 1 and 2…not much. After that they started to cut TONS out of the books. Supposedly they’re going to stick to the source material, though that’s hard to believe when they’ve already completely thrown that out the window with casting.
There's a lot from the books that never made it to the movies, i'd say about 40% was never adapted, expect for the absolute bare core of the story, and even that was not 100% faithful to the source material. The movies were great, but if i had to choose, in theory a tv show sounds like a much more suitable medium to use for adapting such big books.
I saw some actor I don’t remember who sum it up pretty good in an interview. Since they have lost so much money from the dvd sales Hollywood doesn’t dare to take risks anymore that why they keep turning out remakes of shit that worked before.
The first movie is 25 years old. For reference, the Matrix came out 25 years after the first Godfather movie. It's definitely old enough to get away with it being redone, and kids will still absolutely watch the shit out of it.
Because the movies left out a lot of important details. For example, Dobby’s death was supposed to be super sad, but we barely spend any time with him in the movies so I can’t imagine anyone having formed any kind of connection with him in the movies to make the scene sad.
They already squeezed all the juice out of the first adaption, now it’s time to shill the reboot to a new generation. Anyone asking why these companies keep doing reboots is a clown. It’s never been about creativity. It’s about money. Always has been.
The real answer is money, but tbf a show is way better equipped for a proper book adaptation than a movie. They gutted a shit ton of content and character work to cram the plots of decent sized books into a couple hours of film - in theory they could do a much better job with 10+hrs to tell each books story.
Im not optimistic given how most adaptations have gone recently, but its certainly possible this could be a good thing.
The primary and original Harry Potter audience has everything they've wanted out of the franchise. They have the cloaks, the wands, they've been to Universal several times. They've also been severely turned off by JK rowlings anti-everything stance, and some have even sworn off being fans.
So, the license holders over at WBD (who need more money because profits are down and Zaslav needs another remodel on his house in the hamptons) decided to greenlight a new series... So they recapture a whole new audience of kids ... whose PARENTS will watch it with them... essentially looking to tap into markets with all new toys and props designed around the show.
Warner is getting closer to de abyss of bankruptcy. They are desperate and Harry Potter is a safe bet, even with all of the J.K. Rollins Polemic, it will probably make a lot of money.
What if it was just Year 1 shooting the shit at magic school with all the Y1 idealism and (almost) none of the Voldemort stuff other than the occasional "that Quarell guy's kind of odd lol I swear he was talking to himself!"
Yup. This is one of the left’s most disingenuous arguments. If it’s not a big deal to change it, then it’s not a big deal to leave it alone, or change it back.
Similar to:
Developers: “We changed code in Oblivion Remastered to make Male and Female into Body Type 1 and Body Type 2.”
Gamers: “That’s dumb, it was Male and Female in Oblivion. I’m going to install a mod to revert it back to how it was when Oblivion was originally released.”
NexusMods: “MOD BANNED!”
Redditors: “WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH?! IT’S NOT A BIG DEAL!!”
Gamers: “If it’s not a big deal then why do you care if I change it back?”
Imagine trying to ragebait someone because they want a story to follow the original and not have actors be cast exclusively for fat/color inclusion when its entirely unnecessary.
I suppose Ruffnut and Tuffnut had and secret triplet…
Its an animated fantasy story that you perceive as “for children” because youve been raised to believe that sad lie.
I will continue to be discontent with a good movie being butchered by modern woke bs, and you can continue to believe in silly stereotypes like “for children” and ragebait on reddit, because like you said…
I think it might resonate with him, given he’s acting like a child to everyone calling the kids movie a kids movie. Enjoying a kids movie is fine. Losing your mind like a pissy baby is not.
I think if you asked the creators at Dreamworks they would say the primary target for their films is children. I’d say that quality it as a “kids movie”
Why are you so pressed about this? You’re getting defensive for no reason and it’s weird. I watch plenty of kids films; nothing wrong with that.
Snape, the notoriously bigoted person towards muggle-born students, being made black, and then race-swapping Hermione is gonna be fucking wild.
Half-blood hits different now, doesn't it.
Of course most likely they're just going to massively fucking downplay any possible mature themes like classism because the current day 20 year old is incapable of maturely digesting these things without shitting and pissing themselves.
Funny joke I saw is now all the points where Harry just says that he has a suspicious feeling about Snape with no evidence is going to be a lot more racially charged lol
I sincerely don't care about race changing characters whose appearance is irrelevant to the story like Hermione but yeah, Snape changing race here just won't work for genuine reasons.
Or, actually, Malfoy kind of hates Hermione because she's born from non-wizards and kind of is whatever that -ist would be already so I guess even that will also have some racist undertones now.
So yeah, white Potter automatically hates black Snape and white Malfoy automatically hates POC Hermione.
Yeah, in HP there essential was no colorism as all racism related to wizardliness/blood.
In the new HP since they're swapping all those characters, the discrimination will be the same it'll just likely be more directed towards skin color rather than blood alone.
This is the thing. Race swapping and shit aside they don’t do anything deep anymore. They’re more concerned about appearances of saying something deep as opposed to actually saying something deep.
Tbf its not even out yet, if its not a 1 to 1 adaptain, it is source material that you can do a ton with beyond the original work. Not to mention that the movies obviously didnt adapt everything from the books, so even an actual 1 to 1 can have things that didnt happen/werent shown in the movies.
With that said, yeah i dont trust any of these companies, especially not WB. At "best" this will just be on the level of the movies, but boring because weve seen it before. At worse its just going to be cultural bait or just not try at all and ride on the IP.
Either way, who really gives a shit - maybe there will be a new good show, probably not. Not like we lack shit to do, and the books and movies aint going no where.
I'm interested in how they're going to make the relentless bullying of Snape by James & Co including being strung from a tree by magic not look racist.
Unironically if they didn't then atleast it would he more impactful and offensive to drive the message and make it interesting but these are panderers, not world class writers
the closer the show gets to release the more confident I am they're going to fuck it up entirely, but it's actually wild they picked the two people who are on the receiving end of the most racism in the series and cast people of color for them.
"the mud just seeps through your skin" could be a character line. Might drive the message home about how insidious arbitrary discrimination can be. Even when mudbloods come from all backgrounds.
I don't think your statement is half as witty as you think it is.
Jest, because you are a "grown-up person," you are supposed to shed your interests and fascinations? Turning into a husk of a human that is indifferent towards anything?
Fiction of any kind is an important part of many people's "hobbyscape" having grown up with certain kinds of media, seeing it stripped, gutted and twisted to fill a narrative the original author did not care for. While also taking away from the original storry is painful.
This is not about Harry Potter, but modern adaptation in general. There are people out there who read these books since they were able to read. Dreaming and hoping to receive an adaptation of what they are reading. Instead, you have some failed writer take a beloved storry and turn it into a third rate fanfiction.
Its funny that you try and argue that fucking JK Rowling of all people will have issues with the changes. She is literally the queen of "pretending my characters were gay/black the whole time for brownie points."
I also think that it's remarkably regarded being mad about corpslop exploiting diversity to stir up engagement, but it is slightly kek worthy that anon was indeed right
A black actress played Hermione in some stage adaptation, doesn’t take a genius to guess that they’d make her black in a new adaptation. (Is this girl even black? She looks like she could be half or quarter anything)
Tbf if you’re getting upset over the colour of a little girl in an unneeded cash grab TV adaptation of a children’s book then terminating your existence is probably the best thing to do
this may not be a faithful recreation of the original movies, but they have already managed to recreate certain people's questionable thoughts on underage hermione. truly incredible.
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If the colors of the houses were changed, let's say even the robes were changed to white or something, would people still be going "why do you care." If they made Hogwarts have a traditional medieval style instead of the Gothic architecture, would it be strange to see people not too pleased? I find it fascinating that the only time you're not supposed to care about appearance is when it's a white character changed to be black.
She’s always been pretty syncretic in her beliefs. She opposed Scottish independence (which certainly pissed off many leftist Scots) and was very much on the Corbyn-is-an-anti-semite train (which many British leftists still disagree with). I’d say she’s a vaguely economically centre-to-centre-left person who probably had some shallow socially liberal beliefs, couldn’t get on board with the trans stuff, then went on the trans-obsession spiral
Oh she's still right where she always was politically. It's only on ONE issue that she dares step over that line. She's still a dunce when it comes to literally everything else.
After working on Harry a potter, Rowling got used to people glazing her for doing shoddy, low effort work. When the series ended she had no way to get that attention, so she started pandering to the lowest common denominator: political twitter users. But she’s so incompetent she couldn’t even do that right, so now she has to pander to a different crowd to get people to act like she’s not fallen off & irrelevant again.
I don’t think there is such a moment, and I don’t think any character in Harry Potter’s race really matters. But it’s disingenuous of Rowling to pretend that she was more race-conscious than she actually was.
If you make a mistake, or you have a blind spot, the proper thing to do is to try to be better, not pretend you were always perfect. But Rowling doesn’t like feeling subpar about anything so pretends like she’s always done a really good job this whole time in secret.
I wouldn't even guess she's mixed. Maybe part Italian. There's so many European people with a darker skin. It's crazy the kid playing Harry is lighter skinned that the red head kid playing Ron. Either way, why is someone upset over a kids skin tone?
I wouldn’t have given a shit even if they cast a wholly black girl to play her, but she’s clearly not Italian if she has an English last name. She’d be a lot whiter if mixed race with southern European heritage. To me she looks mixed race with either Indian or black heritage.
Based on her last name she’s definitely partially non-European, because if she were something like Italian, she would be whiter if mixed. To me she looks south Asian and I wouldn’t be surprised to find out she was part black instead.
More practically, I seriously doubt HBO would want the flack of casting someone racially ambiguous if they turned out to just be white. You’re collecting the worst of both worlds.
(I personally wouldn’t have given a shit even if they cast a totally black chick to play her)
Yeah this is a reach and a lazy one at that. I can understand the Snape casting raising some eyebrows, but aside from the very slight skin colour difference, this is Hermione, even got the large front teeth from the books.
I’m genuinely curious of instances of this happening in the past 40 years lmao. What black roles were race swapped and given to white folks? Comedies in which that is the joke do not count. No Tyler Perry movies
In Warm Bodies they cast a white girl who was Ethiopian in the book. Angelina Jolie has played a couple roles written for black people. Anthony Hopkins in Human Stain is supposed to be black. Just a couple examples from recent times
Don't even get me started on the Asian and Arab roles that have been replaced with white people, it's a LONG list
Yeah the historically accurate Harry Potter series while plot hinges in the white life of of the girl at the wizard school. Which takes place in London where famously no people of any color live or ever lived. You lead sucking idiot.
Im more bothered that a group of people well known for being terrible at their jobs will see success by making a worse version of the movies. I would be incredibly happy if my assumption is wrong.
Obviously it would be Hermione who would be changed, people are already commenting how bad it's going to look to have snape be a black actor constantly berated and belittled, Harry is the MC in a British series, he's kept true to character for the British identity. If Ron had been changed to be black you'd have an even worse problem than wjth snape, a black character being constantly told and belittled that his family is poor by Malfoy.
In terms of practicality, you'd also have to get a black person with ginger hair that looks natural and also a whole ass family with the same traits which honestly seems hard.
Ok, so Hermione is going to be called "mudblood" and we're just supposed to assume that's about her magical heritage and not her mixed-race genetics?
Same with Snape being bullied. Changing ANY of the main cast from white is a dumb casting decision. It completely changes the narrative to politicised 21st century racism.
Thankfully by the time this releases AI will be good enough to replace these actors with book-accurate characters.
True but all they need is one statement about how absurd it is that muggles still hate eachother based on skin color and a big emphasis on the mud blood being specifically magic related and they'll let it slide. Tho the mud blood aspect is hysterical I didn't think of that XD
Honestly I didn't even notice originally that this girl playing hermione is black she does look like a good cast I think. Snape has a hugely iconic look and his pale skin was regularly highlighted. I'm not entirely sure about that one.
Yeah there's not really anything against Hermione being played by basically anyone, my comment more just hitting on the fact that if there's anyone that you could get the least pushback on changing the ethnicity of its absolutely Hermione.
Real talk… she actually looks way more like Emma than the boys look like Daniel or Rupert. Her facial features are an excellent match. Imma go out on a limb here and say she wasn’t actually chosen for her skin tone at all, for a change.
They got pretty lucky with Daniel the first time around, contacts aside. He was pretty weedy and sold Harry spending the first 11 years of his life being malnourished and abused pretty well.
Ron I think was a decent casting for the movies, but they ruined him in the writing. In the books he's an intelligent guy, but the movies turned him into comic relief.
But that's a common sentiment, I'm sure you've heard it before.
Mhm. Rupert Grint was a good actor, but in terms of these new kids, that just looks perfectly like Ron. They're 2 for 2 for casting in terms of looks when it comes to him.
I honestly don't see the issue with her. She looks like a decent fit in my opinion. Not as bad as the little mermaid casting or snow white by any means. Honestly I ended up disliking the actress who played her in the movie so much I'm fine with the girl looking NOTHING like her.
Hermione's brown face peered around the doorframe as Harry and Ron spoke.
"Oi! You listenin in on us are ya, ya darkie slag?" quizzed Ron.
"No sir I am just arriving." replied Hermione Granchandra
"I say Ronald, you ought to be racist more accurately. 'Darkie' refers to sub-Saharan Africans, not South Asian swarthoids." Harry said with his legs outstretched.
They were there, both of them, sitting outside Florean Fortescue’s Ice Cream Parlor — Ron looking incredibly freckly, Hermione very brown, both waving frantically at him.
She's been black in plays and fanon and such for like a decade now, i actually almost expected her to be of direct african descent; the actress looks just tan. Whatever. Still curious on how they will deal with the Marauders picking on snape now.
She is a kid who has darker skin. Don't see any problem with it. Even if she was black race swapping shouldn't be a problem but the producers use racism as a get of jail free card in case the show sucks. You will see the series will absolutely be ass af and they will blame fans for being racist. Happened many many times. Even the people right here in the comments are sucking the producers' imaginary dicks calling people who actually care for the source material and ask for a quality product man-child, stupid, and you guessed it: racist. How many times we are going to point out the same thing over and over again for you dumbasses to understand it was never about the race of the actors/actresses. It is the blatant racism baits of producers who want to spent as little money and effort as possible and hide behind the race card for their shitty products.
why are people acting like this is a crazy prediction? jk said hermione could be black years before, i think there was even a black hermione in cursed child
I don’t think my racism levels are high enough. I don’t know if she’s mixed, Hispanic, or white with a tan. Besides who cares. Everyone that’s loves Harry Potter already read the books and saw the movies.
why dont they ever race swap the main character? like it always the love interest, sidekick, best friend, or some random no name, but ive never seen them do it with the title character. why? make harry black. if you want black people in more roles, why arent they in the major roles? why is it always the less important character that gets the race change?
i really hope this poor girl doesnt get hated and sent death threats, but its going to happen, it happens everytime, and everytime the studio does nothing to protect the actor. its a shame they put these actors in the spotlight just to give people a target to aim at, so the studio can cry racism when the project underperforms due to poor writing.
If they would’ve made something in the same universe but different characters, I would’ve definitely have watched. Not the biggest Potter fan, but the movies are a fundamental part of my childhood. I still really like them as 32yo since I watched ASAP when they got released so I grew up with them.
Fantastic Beasts was interesting because same universe but different era, different characters and different plot. (IMO the third movie got done dirty since they replaced Depp. He was amazing as the villain and even if Mads is a phenomenal actor that was still Depps role and it just got kinda weird instead)
But a remake as a series? Nah bruv. Just nah.
In an already established universe they don’t have to think so hard to come up with something new that passes the watch ability criteria.
IIRC, didn't the books actually never explicitly state she was white? Cursed Child got a ton of flack for casting a black actress as Hermione and I remember it being a talking point that Hermione was at least black-coded in the original series. Given that her most meaningful side plot was fighting slavery, that makes sense in a uniquely Rowling way.
That girl is not black lmao. Is slightly tan really black enough to be racist towards? Are we going back to the times when Italians were basically black?
I think JK Rowling retconned it in a Twitter post. I think Hermione’s race is barely mentioned in the books, but is written as “pale” at one point and the art work always portrayed her as white. Also, Emma Watson’s white in the films
Harepo@reddit
I remember back when Cursed Child came out and I was riled up about Hermione being black in that. I told one person IRL about it and they asked me why I cared. It was a real wake-up moment for me when I realised there was no actual reason, even back then when I was a teenager, to give a shit. I wasted serious brainpower thinking about a franchise I did not care even slightly about having a differently-coloured person as a character I also did not care about. It was pathetic then, it's pathetic now, and I can only wish that one day the internet moves past this bullshit and onto actual issues.
Matiwapo@reddit
It's pathetic on both sides.
Casting one main character (not the lead obviously, Rowling would never allow harry not to be white) as a minority is an obvious performative inclusion designed to make white liberals feel better about themselves. It's shallow and meaningless, and only exists to pretend that these people care without actually doing anything to stop actual systemic issues facing minorities.
On the other hand getting pressed about it is major loser shit. Why should it matter to you, an adult man, that a character from a kids show is now black. A show that is not intended for you and you will not watch. I enjoyed harry potter as a kid, and I wouldn't have liked it less if Hermione was black. Sure I wouldn't have had a crush on her, but I also didn't have a crush on Ron and still enjoyed the films. Pic related brings this to another level of cringe and weird. Like a bunch of dudes are upset because the child who has been cast as Hermione is not a race they find fuckable. Truly gross pedo shit
Rich-Drawer@reddit
Bro what
Matiwapo@reddit
I was younger than the cast when the films came out
Rich-Drawer@reddit
I'm talking about not having a crush on a poc not about being a nonce lol
Matiwapo@reddit
Not everyone is attracted to every ethnicity bro
flame22664@reddit
Brother saying that you are not attracted to everyone from one ethnicity is just pure racism.
There is quite literally no argument against that cause we are not talking preferences at that point. It's literally saying I don't find people of x ethnicity attractive because they are x ethnicity.
Matiwapo@reddit
It literally is preferences though. I am also not attracted to any woman who uses fake tan.
It's not 'i don't find x ethnicity attractive because they are that ethnicity', it's 'i don't find x ethnicity attractive because x ethnicity is defined by features I don't find attractive'
And what's your suggested solution, am I supposed to force myself to find certain features attractive? For the sake of not being racist? Am I supposed to do that for every single ethnicity on the planet?
No. That's ridiculous. You are ridiculous.
flame22664@reddit
Are you stupid? is a fake tan an ethnicity?
Objectively this is false because there are people in every ethnicity that have varied features. Features that are no different than the features you would generally see in other ethnicities.
Stating that one ethnicity does not have features you will find attractive is objective incorrect.
Dawg finding certain features not attractive is not racist (unless that feature is just straight up skin color). Stating that there is NO ONE of a certain ethnicity that you would find attractive is objectively racist.
There will be at least 1 individual who fits your taste.
But please enlighten me. What ethnicity do you not find attractive and what features do they ALL share that you don’t find attractive?
Salticracker@reddit
Dude likes pale girls, calm down.
flame22664@reddit
Oh I didn't realize saying "I would like her less of she was black" was actually him saying he likes pale girls.
Bruh. Its truly amazing the level of cope in the comments is crazy.
Salticracker@reddit
Black people are very rarely pale.
flame22664@reddit
Basing attraction purely on the color of someone's skin is literally textbook racism.
Saying "I find pale girls attractive" and saying "I don't find people with dark skin attractive" has two different implication. One is a preference, the other is racist.
Salticracker@reddit
No, It's the exact same thing. One is more negatively worded I guess, but they're both defining a range of attributes a person finds attractive. Is it sexist to say that I don't find dudes attractive?
Besides, the guy didn't say the second thing anyways, just that he'd had a crush on Emma Watson, and wouldn't have if she had looked different.
flame22664@reddit
The fact that multiple people have brought up that example of "Is it sexist to say that I don't find dudes attractive" is just a prime example of how absolutely lacking in basic critical thinking people are.
Dude be absolutely for real right now. why would not finding dudes attractive make you sexist? You are genuinely a dumbass or something?
Sexual orientation is determined by genetics. Physical attraction to person is determined mostly by the environment you grew up in and the beauty standards of your culture.
Conflating the two shows a complete lack of understanding on how people work. Gay men aren't sexist for not finding women attractive. But a Gay man might be racist if he says there is not a single Black man who he would find a attractive.
There are not saying "they have a range of attribute that they do/don't find attractive". They literally said and I quote "It's not 'i don't find x ethnicity attractive because they are that ethnicity', it's 'i don't find x ethnicity attractive because x ethnicity is defined by features I don't find attractive'"
It's absolutely shocking that I have to explain this but preferences does not mean exclusion. If I say "I like girls with pale skin" it means that i like them a lot but it doesn't mean i wouldn't like someone who doesn't have pale skin.
The guy who you are defending was stating that he doesn't find an ENTIRE ETHNICITY ATTRACTIVE because of features they share. Not only is this wrong because basic understanding of human biology and genetics will tell you that people within an ethnicity have a wide range of features and will not share all or most features with each other (other than perhaps having darker toned skin which still varies as well). But given that what I stated is true it means his issue is skin color.
Quite literally on the virtue of someone's skin color (nothing about face or body or personality) he doesn't find them attractive.
It means that if that dude saw a girl who was as attractive as Emma Watson with the same features but they had a darker skin tone he would not find her attractive. That is quite literally the definition of racism.
Now unless you agree with that I'm not sure why you are even commenting.
Salticracker@reddit
I'm just going to ignore the rest of your rant because it all boils down to this line, which is wrong.
Skin tone is a part of how people look. White people tan themselves (in part) to be more attractive. People in Asia "white" themselves for the same reason. Saying that you prefer lighter skin is fine. You're allowed to like what you like.
Since black people generally have dark skin (a defining characteristic of their ethnicity), they are unlikely to have light-coloured skin. If that is against someone else's preference, it's fine. It doesn't mean the other person is less. It just means that they aren't attractive to that specific person.
You wouldn't be having the same fit if he had said they don't find redheads attractive, or don't find blue eyes attractive. You're just so upset because you've been conditioned to see anything to do with skin colour to be racist.
flame22664@reddit
People in Asia bleaching their skin is an incredibly well known awful cultural practice that stems from the association skin color with wealth. Same with white people. These are not healthy associations by the way.
Brother you cannot be serious. Do light skin black people not exist? Generally the color of skin for black people varies greatly within their own ethnicity. Like with literally every other ethnicity. This is just plain incorrect information.
That's awfully convenient for you but I guess that's what you have to do when you don't have any good points to make.
Dude this isn't the 1800s the definition of racism isn't only viewing someone as an inferior race or something. It's discrimination based on race.
My brother in christ are you mentally challenged?
This is an incredibly frustrating conversation to have when it seems like you can't understand basic English.
The issue here is that he is NOT TALKING ABOUT PREFERENCES.
You keep talking about preferences but that is not the conversation. The conversation is that regardless of the physical features one would have he would find them NOT ATTRACTIVE because of ethnicity. Thats insane.
You are giving an incredibly charitable interpretation to someone who literally is talking about ethnicity. He never talked about skin tone btw.
Also do note that it would still be insane to say "I would never find someone with red hair or blue eyes attractive". I would think you mentally ill or deficient.
The issue in these three cases is the exclusivity. Stating that one would NEVER find someone with such superficial characteristics like skin color, hair color and eye color attractive and that anyone with those characteristics is less attractive is just some Aryan ideology hiding behind the facade of "just being what I like bro". Especially when it comes to skin color, that comes from a personal association of skin color with it being unattractive.
This isn't a genetic thing that one cannot do anything about. Attraction is a result of cultural norms and if you view a certain ethnicity as less attractive because they are that ethnicity then that is just pure racism.
Brother is giving Canadians a bad name. Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised from a dude who is blatantly conservative.
Rich-Drawer@reddit
I genuinely appreciate you
flame22664@reddit
Oh I didn't realize saying "I would like her less of she was black" was actually him saying he likes pale girls.
Bruh. Its truly amazing the level of cope in the comments is crazy.
FB-22@reddit
people from different ethnicities are generally known to have differing physical characteristics lol. Physical characteristics generally being the main thing that determines if you find someone attractive by appearance or not
flame22664@reddit
We live on a planet with 8 billion plus people and you are telling me it's not possible that someone of a certain ethnicity will have features you find attractive?
Are you a dumbass?
There are people of every ethnicity who has features of every other ethnicity. Genetics mix especially in the modern day.
To say "i would find no one of x ethnicity attractive" just means that you are a racist or a dumbass but probably both.
But please prove me wrong. What ethnicity do you not find attractive and what features do people of that ethnicity ALL share that you find unattractive?
FB-22@reddit
Well if someone says "I'm generally attracted to members of x ethnic group, and not attracted to y ethnic group" yeah sure you can find someone who is mixed and in y ethnic group but with more x features, or other one off exceptions but that's kinda besides the point of whether the statement of preference itself is problematic or racist though.
This is kinda the main argument but you don't really back up your stance here other than the point about people sometimes having features of other ethnicities.
I'm not the original person and there isn't any ethnicity I'm aware of that I'd be attracted to zero members of. There are certainly some that I am on average more or less likely to be attracted to. I just don't see that as really being a matter of racism
flame22664@reddit
My brother in christ that is not what I am talking about.
I'm not talking about general statements I am very explicitly talking about people who said "i would never date someone from X group EVER".
Once again this is not what I am talking about. Reading comprehension is at an all time low.
You literally just said "There are certainly some that I am on average more or less likely to be attracted to" Does that sound like "I would never be attracted to anyone who is [inserted ethnicity/race here]. No because it's not the same thing.
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What other back-up is there? People are essentially stating "I would not be attracted to anyone from X ethnic group because they don't have features i find attractive". On a planet with 8 billion people that is simply a stupid thing to say or just racist. There will always be some people of every ethnicity that has features that a person would find attractive, unless their issue is just skin color or that they are a different ethnicity.
The only way for this statement to be true is if you met every single person in the world of a particular ethnicity and did this every year whenever more people become adults to truly say "i don't find anyone from X ethnic group attractive". Thats is obviously impossible. Hence why saying such a thing is objectively stupid and most likely comes from racist sentiments.
I swear whenever I discuss this basic logical premise I get comments from people who don't read and so they think I am saying "preferences are racist", people who are actually racist or people who are racist and can't read.
NotLunaris@reddit
You are why people rightfully clown on liberals
flame22664@reddit
LOL all i see is people who either have incredibly poor reading comprehension or are just racist and are coping.
This has nothing to do with being liberal lol.
teh_hotdogman@reddit
i love goth latinas, it doesnt make me racist to not date white girls (im white)
flame22664@reddit
Are you stupid?
Brother I know people in this subreddit ain't bright but are you being for real?
Being goth is not an ethnicity...
It would make you racist if, For example you meet a white girl who has all the features you would like and is your ideal women in everyway (taste, personality, etc.) And you still wouldn't like her.
That straight up means you don't like her cause she is white and no other reason. Which would indeed be racist.
A person ethnicity just provides what they MIGHT generally look like or what they MIGHT generally value. Every white person (or person of any race/ethnicity) do not look the same and do not act the same.
This is just objective truth.
teh_hotdogman@reddit
good thing i said latinas dipshit.
armstrony@reddit
That's like saying gay people are sexist.
flame22664@reddit
Are you stupid?
Do gay people choose to be gay and date men?
Are you some next level dumbass?
That is very obviously not saying that if you think for more than 1 second.
Rich-Drawer@reddit
It's highly arguable that rejecting every person from the said ethnicity is fueled by racial bias to atleast a minimal degree. An attractive person or an unattractive person from an ethnicity is different, but bringing everyone under the same umbrella and then just saying you'd never date them is racially biased or even racist.
LilXansStan@reddit
Like a bat to the side of the head JFC
racinreaver@reddit
One guess what all of his redtube watch history is, lol.
MaximumMalarkey@reddit
I kind of disagree with the first point. I don’t think it’s fair to say any time a main cast member is a minority it’s only for the sake of woke inclusiveness. It seems to make more sense that a school based in a majorly populated country would have some minorities instead of being all white. It’s not like skin color has anything to do with the character arc
FB-22@reddit
“In the 1991 UK census 94.65% of people reported themselves as being White British, White Irish or White Other”
With the Harry Potter series being set between 1991 and 1998 in Britain
MaximumMalarkey@reddit
Cool, so at least 1/20 students wouldn’t be white even if they weren’t in a make believe magic castle. A school that also explicitly allows international students in the books. Any other statistics you’d like to post to help your narrative?
FB-22@reddit
lol relax, I just thought it would be relevant to add more specific context to your description about Britain being “a majorly populated that would have some minorities instead of being all white” since it seemed like that was a bit vague
MaximumMalarkey@reddit
Uh huh, sure you were. I took a look in your history and just earlier today you were arguing that black people are inherently violent and more likely to be criminals. If you’re going to cherry pick statistics to push your racist narratives, at least grow some balls and say your bullshit outright
Fishb20@reddit
In isolation I agree but Rowling saying not only was Hermione black but Hermione was always black came after her reconning a bunch of characters to make them more woke, like saying Dumbledore was gay
I think any of these things in isolation are fine. And honestly Dumbledore being gay is kind of an interesting story beat, it just felt inorganic and performative that she said this after years of not mentioning it. Like if she always imagined Hermione as black then why didn't she say anything when Emma Watson was cast. Why does Dumbledores sexuality never come up in the movies where he's mainly fighting who is canonically the former love of his life who became a dark wizard.
ZenPyx@reddit
Rowling faced the tiniest little bit of scrutiny about her books after the films came out - people wondering why the irish character made bombs and got drunk, and the only black character was called kingsley shacklebolt. Not to mention the dodgy ways she describes goblins and the cho chang fiasco.
Rather than just admit that she didn't give a shit, she decided the best way to approach it was just to start pretending her story was always inclusive - dumbledore was actually gay, hermione was actually black, Lupin was bisexual (works really poorly for her werewolf/aids metaphor) etc. She then faced criticism for this and went totally off the rails.
I think she'd write a more interesting version of the books nowadays considering all these things she clearly wasn't aware of back then, if her brain wasn't completely rotted on culture war bullshit.
Roxxorsmash@reddit
Also she could just be like, the best actress that auditioned
MaximumMalarkey@reddit
Impossible! I’m not sure why people act like it’s more woke to pick a possibly worse white actor over the overall best actor regardless of skin color. Which would be an actual meritocracy
luujs@reddit
Oh no a fictional character in a modern setting is now being portrayed by an actress with a different skin tone! What’s the world coming to!
It’s mental isn’t it. There’s literally no reason for anyone to care.
Atompunk78@reddit
Sometimes it affects the plot though, like with snape. With hermione it makes little difference though, and her race is never mentioned in the books*
*or so I’m told, I haven’t read/watched most of it so don’t give a shit either way
luujs@reddit
I don’t think it really matters for Snape either tbh. He’s written in the books to look like Alan Rickman does in the films, but it isn’t important to the plot. As far as I can remember there’s no plot reason that prevents a black actor playing Snape. It’s not like making Hagrid a dwarf instead of half giant. Harry’s eye colour was an actual plot point because he’s meant to have the same green eyes as his dead mum, but in the films Harry has blue eyes because the actor was allergic to contact lenses. It was a somewhat significant plot point in the books but changing it had no impact on the film.
MargetTobile@reddit
Harry’s eye color was a sore point for many fans back in the day and still is for a lot of purists. Most people got over it though.
Snape’s appearance is one of the most described in the series. Rowling can go a single scene without shitting on his appearance, so it’s a jarring and unnecessary change. People will get used to it though. Probably.
The problematic stuff comes from the fact that James Potter bullied Snape for pretty much no reason other than his looks. Making snape black obviously makes that look a lot worse.
BitesTheDust55@reddit
Well, it's simple. You cared about the authenticity of something that you believed to be culturally relevant and important. When that thing was coopted for what was obvious virtue signaling, you were understandably annoyed, because it felt like you'd had something taken from you. It's the same reason people ridicule the kangz and anyone who says the Egyptian pharaohs were actually black. It's like... No, they weren't. Stop trying to steal culture that isn't yours.
Smelldicks@reddit
Based
Atompunk78@reddit
Sometimes it affects the plot though, like with snape. With hermione it makes little difference though, and her race is never mentioned in the books or so I’m told, I haven’t read/watched most of it so don’t give a shit either way
thestridereststrider@reddit
Honestly, I just care that things are accurate to the source material. If the person cast meets the description given that’s all I care about. This casting seems like it does. The snape casting? No
ETtheExtraTerrible@reddit
For me, personally, I get irritated about major appearance changes. Color scheme and shape is a big part!
I don't like black to white, white to black, Asian to Brazilian, Brazilian to Asian, etc. or race swap in general.
But!
When an actor/actress really embodies the character, I can make an exception to their appearance difference. Because at that point, they ARE the character for me.
SemperPieratus@reddit
As much as we celebrate what we become, we must also celebrate what we didn’t become.
Fun1k@reddit
Honestly, I loved black Ford Prefect in the HHGTTG movie. No offense to the more accurate show version, but he just feels right.
I do think adaptations should respect source material with regards to how people look, but I'm not gonna get riled up over it, especially if the actor is good.
thesuperbro@reddit
Anon grows past the age of 14
Noiseyboisey@reddit
Literally what is the point of the show, the movies already span across all their years in school
WorkAccount1993@reddit
Money. And changing the color of characters is an easy way to get these kind of idiots riled up for more engagement.
How2chair@reddit
thing is, it doesnt translate into more views
impsworld@reddit
They don’t give a fuck lmao. They don’t need need any more views, they know that the HP fan base is large enough that, even if only a fraction of those fans consistently watch the show, they’re set to make millions. Easily.
It’s the same with Star Wars, even the movies/shows that are widely considered to be bad were massive commercial successes with only one or two exceptions.
How2chair@reddit
or 3-4 exceptions. Actually more like 6 exceptions. Hmmmmm
Also if thats the case, why even bother with the supposed engagement baiting then?
impsworld@reddit
Not really. I’m pretty sure every single piece of Star Wars media has generated a profit except for the Christmas Special and Solo. Even the crappy animated movie about baby Jabba made millions.
It’s not engagement bait, it’s a just casting decision that doesn’t really affect the story one way or another. Just because people are getting mad about it doesn’t mean that it’s bait, they just don’t care if they demographic who won’t watch the show because of an actors race doesn’t watch the show. They don’t need the 4chan trolls, they’re going to make millions regardless.
letourdit@reddit
Acolyte flopped and had a huge budget iirc
AliceInCookies@reddit
I liked Sith Manny
OhTrueBrother@reddit
Bortles! [throws ghorman cocktail]
lightsideluc@reddit
Yes, but it was legitimately awful. I hate all the outrage against the casting choices because it was a smokescreen for the terrible writing, wooden acting, and pants on head dumb plot.
Tr1LL_B1LL@reddit
This isn’t true though lol. Neither Andor or The Acolyte turned a profit. The Acolyte cost 230m and canceled after one season. Andor cost almost $650m and only made $300m of it back.
Lord_Dankston@reddit
Huh, imo Solo: A Star Wars Story was the only kinda decent new addition to the franchise.
The-Minmus-Derp@reddit
Andor??????
Neither-Phone-7264@reddit
Really? Isn't andor the most loved?
lightsideluc@reddit
It's highly rated, but it's a slow burn political/spy thriller and a lot of the attention came after the season wrapped so people could confidently say they stuck the landing.
How2chair@reddit
Yeah but see how much in profit they have generated. It has decreased with each installment with solo barely breaking even. The shows arent much better
Tr1LL_B1LL@reddit
Solo lost between $50-60 million dollars and
How2chair@reddit
oh wow its worse than i thought
DianSnivy@reddit
The Clone Wars movie was pretty smart, they spent a peak hype era in order to release a handful of TV Episodes as a full length movie
roehnin@reddit
I don't follow reviews, am surprised people didn't like Solo.
Donald Glover is great as Lando!
votum7@reddit
That was true however they aren’t generating profits anymore. Rise of skywalker burnt through what goodwill the fans had left, and mostly everything has flopped since. It’s the same with marvel movies. It doesn’t happen overnight but with consecutive bad films/shows fan sentiment erodes and things start flopping.
AngryGublin@reddit
Are they massive commercial successes or merely generating profit tho?
LordPeebis@reddit
Excuse me his name was Ratta the hut
The_PhilosopherKing@reddit
Rotta*
WisherWisp@reddit
These idiots will buy anything. We'll make a cute version the ugly, huge slime monster!
BappoChan@reddit
Snow White was a really loved show, with a massive current and old fan base. Now it’s the worst performing movie in box office and Disney is eating the biggest loss of their existence, on a remake of the movie that made Disney a household name. They need views
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
I don't see the comparison here. Didn't that bomb because the singing sucked and something something Israel?
BappoChan@reddit
They also changed the characters ethnicity, having a woman named Snow White, known for her pale white complexion, to not be a pale white person at all. The movie was overly woke and changed the entire story of the original because they believed it was too creepy??? And when fans pointed out that this is a mistake and, and the team saying they had to rewrite the story a few times should have been a red flag that the film is going to suck, and instead of taking criticism the lead actor became a raging lunatic for everyone to laugh at. The movie failed for many reasons, some external, many internal. Changing the entire story to match a skin color change to be more politically correct while politically challenging was a dumb move. Velma failed for the same reason.
So the comparison is something can be absolutely loved, like Star Wars, where they add on or change shit that never needed to be changed, and despite the vocal minority of the fan base hating a few episodes or shows, it still succeeded. This isn’t universal to every studio and show. Star Wars is so long that people who are still commited to it are going to watch the movies even if they know it’s shit, for the sake of having more story. Harry Potter doesn’t need this. Snow White didn’t need this. Snow White failed despite having a massive following of its own.
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
I think that's just what a small group of online people took from that, rather than what actually caused it to bomb.
Normal people taking the kids to the cinema don't care about characters not being white enough.
BappoChan@reddit
Many companies have been pro Israel without hiding it, and haven’t been boycotted nearly as heavily then… Snow White flopped for many reasons. Rachel was a lunatic before it even released, their political stance, the story changing from the original to rather have a message that isn’t even really catered to kids, in a kids movie. Where a character was heavily changed. Most parents who didn’t care would rather just sit at home and put the original Snow White on. They don’t feel compelled to travel to a cinema to watch a story they either believe is going to be the exact same, or know was changed to fill an unnecessary message.
If it was a small studio that was found out to be supporting Israel or whatever, I could understand boycotting being a heavy hitter, but it’s Disney. The largest film making company in the industry. Kids don’t care about the wars going on, and many parents aren’t going out of their way to have a crying child just to stand on their political beliefs.
Their advertising game sucks, the story was changed despite heavy warning, calling the classic movie outdated and creepy is not a good sign.
WisherWisp@reddit
What? Sometimes I think half of reddit is half awake.
Grabbsy2@reddit
Thats not a quote, youre putting words in their mouth.
They dont need the 50,000 basement trolls that will loudly refuse to watch the movie, because those people never will.
What those 50,000 basement trolls will do: all the marketing for the show. Those 50,000 people will loudly proclaim "This movie is great for children to see that people of all races can be best friends!!! Isnt that terrible??" And the parents will all say "phew! I was worried they were going to add boobs to it" and go sit their kids in front of it, knowing their kids will grow up to be normal, civilized people.
David_Norris_M@reddit
If anything the engagement bait will just make fans more defensive of the show as a whole thus escalating into getting fans to be even more parasocial with it.
JustaBearEnthusiast@reddit
Yes it does??? It's free advertising. They don't need to sell harry potter, they just need people to be reminded that the show exists. These people not only remind everyone for free, but also motivate people who wouldn't watch it because of Rowling to watch it just to spite chuds. If this strategy didn't work I guarantee they would stop doing it, but it does work. Same reason Trump says half of the regarded shit he says. It's all about the attention economy.
How2chair@reddit
Trump also says things that are inflammatory but that people agree with. And getting people to vote is not the same thing as selling items. Also the amount of people that would watch something to "spite the chuds" are very few and not enough to actually make a profit. They are just loud here in the reddit echochambers but dont be fooled
throwawayeastbay@reddit
That cant be right? Hollywood is purely profit motivated. If it has time and time again proven to not translate to viewership and instead makes shows bomb, why would they do it?
That implies there's some kind of motivation beyond just financial.
RocksHaveFeelings2@reddit
Not really. The far more likely option is just that either you or the studio is out of touch with what viewers want. People wanting more money and just being dumb about it makes a lot more sense than some conspiracy to influence your values.
JustaBearEnthusiast@reddit
The market is global. I'm sure their research shows this translates into more sales. The reason why these games and moves suck and don't apeal to fans is because the best model is a safe mediocre game/movie that appeals to a broad audience with good visuals and a bunch of marketing. Can't make this big budget visuals and then only appeal to 40 year old weaboos with a loli fetish.
How2chair@reddit
NOOOOOO! Hollywood are just evil capitalists!!!
rancidfart86@reddit
And what do you think they are, huh? Share your views anon
Altruistic-Local-541@reddit
capitalism is just a platform, its irrelevant, they would do all their evil shit regardless of what label we put on economy or society
it is just human weakness and evil, rotten degeneracy unbound by rules
LordPeebis@reddit
Idk i think people would be less shitty if they weren’t motivated by greed which is incentivized by capitalism
Altruistic-Local-541@reddit
capitalism is not the be blamed for greed
greed predates the idea of capitalism and runs deeper in the soul of humanity, it existed before it, and will exist after
maggiemayfish@reddit
If anything, one should blame greed for capitalism.
How2chair@reddit
Idk what you are trying to go with this but hollywood has been under communist influence since the second world war
Heresy_is_fun@reddit
It's almost like they're in a cult and don't care about finances.
Terrible-Trick-6087@reddit
A lot of people are so online here that they don't realize that a lot of people in real life are still really like Harry Potter outside of hardcore Harry Potter fans.
It will get good viewership for the first season, question is whether or not that viewership will stay and if the show will be good.
LatexSanta@reddit
The show is guaranteed to have at least decent views for the first season.
The Harry Potter fandom is desperate for almost any and all content.
But it will NOT be good, and it is almost guaranteed to see a big drop-off after season 1.
The audience will never increase again after that. It's just going to be one long decline.
I wonder if they'll make their money back on this show.
Terrible-Trick-6087@reddit
Idk why people are assuming it won't instantly be good lol, HBO tries to maintain the quality of their shows and quickly axe shows that get bad reviews or low viewership. It's why the network has such a high reputation.
The showrunner for this show was involved in the writing team of succession and his dark materials and one of the main episode directors worked on game of thrones and succession. They're at least trying very hard.
Like say what you want about the worst HBO show, there was something ambitious happening or a good idea ruined by interference (like the Idol was almost completely reshot with a different cast). At it's worst there's going to be a show that has ambition, even if it doesn't work out.
tweak06@reddit
Well yeah that’s 100% of the edgelords having Chernobyl-sized meltdowns on X.
They bitch and scream and claim “victory” when they bully somebody on the platform because they have zero control in the real world, only online
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
I think it unfortunately does. Look at disney's "live action" remakes of their old movies. They've generated shitloads of cash purely on nostalgia and the end product is universally panned and garbage, but it doesn't matter because they've drawn in an audience already.
How2chair@reddit
Yeah, and has snow white made a profit?
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
Man I hope not. Did a quick google, and it's gloriously negative. Production cost estimates between 240m and 270m and earned just over 205m and the guess that analysts say it needed to break even is $430m or more.
That's absolutely made my day. Chuddah just keeps winning
Pureburn@reddit
Burgers?
esssssto@reddit
Well It does. It keeps people talking about It. I would have never found out if not for Snape being black (which makes Harry's dad a racist).
I might say something about the show and then someone who didn't know might watch It.
Publicity is people talking about your show.
Karpsten@reddit
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. But marketing a shit product with controversy still sells better than just a shit product on its own, so it's a gamble the execs are willing to make. Granted, they could just, like, make a good product instead, but that takes effort, which they are not willing to make.
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
It doesn't need to.
Ultimately they have a toss up.
They change nothing and get the Rowling associations poisoning the discourse about it.
They change stuff to look at bit progressive and some terminally online types rage in places normal people never see.
No real question which one is going to go better.
How2chair@reddit
problem is that the terminally online are loud but few
Juus@reddit
I honestly think it does. There is so many shows out there, so any social media attention is good attention. Especially when it doesn't make any difference for the show. Making her black is genius marketing
How2chair@reddit
Yeah they get more attention on social media but it doesnt lead to more views. Let me know if snow white is crushing the box office right now
SuperHeavyHydrogen@reddit
It does. Any discourse drives traffic. This, right here, is engagement.
drwicksy@reddit
It's free marketing. Chums will yell and scream online that "muh children's book character isn't white" and while most of their audience will agree with them, some of the people who see their yelling will go "huh i didn't know there's a Harry Potter series, guess I'll watch it"
People should instead not watch it because it'll be shit, not because it has race swapping.
Neomataza@reddit
This, exactly. I would have never found out there is a new Harry Potter show. I specifically won't watch it, but I might bring it up in conversation from now. All because some chud was pre-reeeeeeing about race swapped hermione.
zw1ck@reddit
The race swapping is their get out of jail free card for when it sucks. "No! It's the rascists fault! We don't suck at writing!"
SuperHeavyHydrogen@reddit
And it gives money to JK Rowling, the white woman’s Andrew Tate.
How2chair@reddit
not engaging with them directly and wont lead to me or anyone disagreeing with the choice to watch. Very few watch a show to "own the chuds"
Trigger_Fox@reddit
Actually yes it does. For every cringy 4 chinner that isn't gonna watch it because one of the characters has too much melanin, theres a chud that is going to watch it just because it has a character with melanin, and they got to or they're racist or smth.
Its two sides of a coin, just happens to be a shitty coin that fell on the toilet and traveled through sewer and drudge
How2chair@reddit
literally not true. If this happened then these kinds of rewrites wouldnt lose viewiers with each episode
RicSide@reddit
she’s black in the books and ron has freckles
memefarius@reddit
Just ask the Velma producers, or the rings of power producers, or disney
YoungDiscord@reddit
My personal rule of thumb when it comes to changes in already established/known franchises: its ok to change something IF there is a story reason to do it.
If you're not going to do anything about the change other thsn to "just have it" then don't mess with things people are already familiar with.
I don't mind if they make Hermione black, IF they do it for a reason, like to explore something specific to that change
If not, leave things as they are.
I think that's the most rrasonable approach to take with these things.
ocodo@reddit
Now you HAvE to watch it... or you a monster!!!!
Some people are still buying this?
TheDwiin@reddit
You forgot the part where the very few members of the original staff side with Rowling in her transphobia so she wants to reboot it with new actors... Like that's gonna make Daniel Rupert and Emma crawl back? Idk, I don't get the logic behind emotional abuse tactics.
SpaceBug176@reddit
Yes because as we all know pissing people off always makes whatever you're doing profit in the end.
LadrilloDeMadera@reddit
It leads to people who believe they're on a high horse of virtue to watch it to spite the first groups though
Capt253@reddit
I don’t know how much that can help with a Harry Potter property though. Virtue signalers won’t watch it because that would be supporting JK Rowling.
LadrilloDeMadera@reddit
I was trying to be de devils advocate. I couldn't think of any other reason
ToughBadass@reddit
There's more than one group of people though. People getting upset leads to the show spreading further via word of mouth and the groups of people who either don't care or care in a reinforcing direction are more likely to hear about it, leading to more views/less need for commercialization.
LEGALIZERANCH666@reddit
People are going to hatewatch the fucking shit out of anything the switches the race of a character. They fall for it every time.
Lazarous86@reddit
Or none.
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
Literally palette swaps in sprite-based RPGs, but real life. Pretty funny
Ah-honey-honey@reddit
Poor child actress is going to get so much shit for this :(
Ok_Dimension2051@reddit
I know rage marketing works but how ethical is it really for these big companies to “sacrifice” minorities to hate and “outrage” when pushing reboots, remasters revivals whatever the fuck, it really rubs me the wrong way for that reason only
abbassav@reddit
Tell me you haven't read the books without telling me you haven't read the books.
There's literally so much shit left out from the movies, OOTP could be 2-3 separate movies.
I absolutely welcome the show, and hope that it captures everything the books offer
dev_vvvvv@reddit
It's been years since I read the books, but wasn't it basically just Harry getting irrationally angry about seeing Ginny dating a black kid (Dean) despite never particularly caring about her in the past?
RogueThespian@reddit
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his skin color wasn't even remotely important. Dean was just the only one in Harry's year in Gryffindor who didn't already have some sort of plotline in OotP (Neville with his parents, Seamus and Harry having spats about Voldemort being back)
stillmahboi@reddit
It's so funny how he knew his name but still chose to call him black kid.
Dud-of-Man@reddit
damn, they keep that and harry aint ever gonna beat the racist allegations. hating snape on sight and hating dean for cucking him.
Xath0n@reddit
Well he is a cop so
Opelem@reddit
I really dont wanna be this guy... But books have unreliable narrator. Parts of book are in 99% seen through lense of Harry which well; is kind of dick, sometimes. Or not even a dick, just not matured boy which... I mean it tracks, considering even in final book Haryr is 17. Let that sink in. Everything Harry had done. Everything Harry achieved. Was before he could legally vote.
DenkJu@reddit
That's my biggest pet peeve with people critizising Harry Potter for supposedly making fun of fat people. The narrator compares Dudley to a fat pig because that's how Harry sees him. Mrs. Weasley on the other hand, while clearly being described as overweight, is never portrayed in a negative light.
Jiveturtle@reddit
Pretty sure her OwlyFans was involved somehow
LordPeebis@reddit
I hate having read this
mehthisisawasteoftim@reddit
Rowling was more based than we knew
DeviceExpert4556@reddit
Half of this stuff is unnecessary. The other half is not compelling enough to create a remake because of it. The movies have already adapted the books well; this is just a pure cash grab to keep the brand relevant.
Automatic_Mousse4886@reddit
Completely agree. I love HP but this is a pointless cash grab. These poor kids have no idea what’s coming too. Sad.
SentientIgnorance@reddit
Even if that was unnecessary, the Prisoner of Azkaban is a prime example of a movie they very badly adapted. If a viewer didn't read the books then they're completely lost on what's going on. Cash grabbing is likely part of it but there is a valid reason for a remake
DeviceExpert4556@reddit
Not true at all. I watched the first four movies before I touched the books, and I understood just fine. The general consensus is that Prisoner of Azkaban is the best out of the films.
SentientIgnorance@reddit
I do get it's the best film for some and if you were able to understand it that's great but when I first saw it and when I showed the movie to others they were all confused with the plot. It can be true for you and not for others. Someone else in the comments brought up a good point as well with GOF having issues explaining the plot for Barty Crouch Jr and Snr. All these details are important to the experience plus in general fans are excited to see the differences in directing. Either way it leaves a lot to be desired for the show
---x__x---@reddit
I'm interested that you chose POA as an example of a bad adaptation.
I thought it was great except for skipping the marauders backstory.
GOF or HBP are surely the go-to examples of bad adaptations?
SentientIgnorance@reddit
I would agree GOF and HBP aren't great either but you can follow the story. When I first saw HP I had never read the books, when I read POA because they don't explain the marauders backstory you don't get the significance between Sirius, Lupin, James, and Peter and the map so your sat there wondering what in the world is going on. In addition you also wonder why Lupin and Snape can't vouch, for Sirius. Of course we know with the books there's bad blood. Meanwhile with GOF you might not understand everything especially with Crouch Snr, but the main parts I.E Voldemort coming back is conveyed fine enough that most people overlook crouch Jrs backstory.
---x__x---@reddit
I suppose that’s a fair point. I was looking at it from the perspective of the movie being supplementary to the book since I had read the book first.
Automatic_Mousse4886@reddit
Nerd! 😂👆
Tall_Donkey_7816@reddit
I miss all the school-related content from the books, including the descriptions of their exams, tests, and the need to study random subjects, etc. It's all gone from the movies. I enjoyed reading about all the day-to-day details in the books.
Spoon_Elemental@reddit
Also Peeves. I might consider watching this if it has Peeves, but I'm not super stuck on it.
Ryanaston@reddit
I want to be excited for the show too because I hated how much was left out of the books. But I can’t look past JK’s rampant transphobia.
stillmahboi@reddit
Idk, the movies were decent but they could've covered the material better. A show format could do that, I don't mind.
But they'll probably change a bunch of shit and make it worse or something.
shadowfox_21@reddit
JK’s desperate attempts at relevance
paco-ramon@reddit
Money, they can milk it for 8 years.
Leonard_the_Brave@reddit
isnt t Jk Rowling pissed at the movie cast that they publicly said that they condone what she said about Trans people? and that she donates to a Turf party who want to actevly hurt the rights of trans people in the uk?
alfredo094@reddit
A lot of things were adapted out of the film, I think it's fair to use a TV series about it. This was not common practice back when the first movie released in 2001, as it was LOST that largely popularized that format.
HansChrst1@reddit
The movie skip a lot of stuff.
It messed with my head when I watched the movies after reading the books. They are so incredibly fast.
It is the opposite of Lord of the Rings when you after thinking "they are almost at mt.doom" and there are still 2 movies left.
Charbus@reddit
I mean when you take the descriptions of trees and poems out of lord of the rings there’s not much left
HansChrst1@reddit
They still feel long. In a good way. Harry Potter speeds through a lot of stuff. Descriptions, scenes and characters are gone.
OneEnvironmental9222@reddit
tbh I fee4l like they did an okay job with the spacing. They werent allowed to make the movies as long as lotr so its understandable
HansChrst1@reddit
They did a good job, but it should have been a show from the start or at least 3-4 hour movies
intrepped@reddit
At the time of release, miniseries per movie would not have worked in the slightest. And neither would 3-4 hour movies, because people still went to theaters.
HansChrst1@reddit
I'm not thinking about money here. Just what would be best for a on screen adaption.
intrepped@reddit
My point being is money is what pays for that. So the best outcome isn't always the best that could be done
Krypt0night@reddit
What an obvious way of saying you haven't read the books before lmao
Charbus@reddit
I’m sorry I insulted a book you enjoy, I read them too but didn’t enjoy them as much and that’s okay
UristMcMagma@reddit
You haven't actually read the books I guess.
Charbus@reddit
I have, I read all three and probably wouldn’t do it again
He was the OG lore / world builder and set the standards for the high fantasy genre but the books are massively overrated IMO.
ChadWestPaints@reddit
I mean. I have. But imo theres a lot more cutable content in lotr. HP followed a more traditional and simplistic storytelling format where theres not a ton of fat and most events and characters are directly relevant to the plot. Tolkien can and will go off on half chapter length rants about irrelevant genealogy or landscapes. The amount of interesting and often pretty but ultimately unnecessary poetry in lotr is probably longer than the whole first HP book.
Tolkiens style helped a ton with world building, flavor, set dressing, and visualizing the scene, but while that all takes pages and pages to do in text it can be done in film with, say, a single establishing shot or background music or whatever.
Knopfmacher@reddit
The I watched the first LotR movie in 2001 right after reading the book I also though it was incredibly fast because they skipped over a lot of stuff.
abbassav@reddit
Thank you!
Sweet_Xocoatl@reddit
The movies didn’t have Peeves the Poltergeist so obviously the whole movie series is actual dogshit and has to be rebuilt brick by brick. If you think I’m joking I’m really not, Harry Potter fans have begged for two decades for a TV series so every single random bullshit in the books can be crammed in. Want to see Hermione’s subplot in the fourth book where she gets made fun of for fighting for the House Elf slaves to have rights? No? Too bad, fans decided it’s a crucial part of the series and must be included in detail.
jimmy193@reddit
Tbf the films are pretty shit adaptations of the books so there’s a lot they could do to adapt the story better
JakeVonFurth@reddit
The movies skip and change so much content compared to the books that they're practically two different continuities.
Vermillion_Catus@reddit
Mommy Joanne needs a new castle.
BTFlik@reddit
Money. Also, her new base need hate to feed on. She's giving them it for money
karmannsport@reddit
Movies 1 and 2…not much. After that they started to cut TONS out of the books. Supposedly they’re going to stick to the source material, though that’s hard to believe when they’ve already completely thrown that out the window with casting.
FlatulentSon@reddit
There's a lot from the books that never made it to the movies, i'd say about 40% was never adapted, expect for the absolute bare core of the story, and even that was not 100% faithful to the source material. The movies were great, but if i had to choose, in theory a tv show sounds like a much more suitable medium to use for adapting such big books.
Just.. Not like this.
localgoodboi@reddit
The og cast is actively speaking out against JK Rowling. This is an attempt to change the faces of her character. And also money of course
molwiz@reddit
I saw some actor I don’t remember who sum it up pretty good in an interview. Since they have lost so much money from the dvd sales Hollywood doesn’t dare to take risks anymore that why they keep turning out remakes of shit that worked before.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Joanne needs more money to torture trans women
Sailorg00n93@reddit
Because JK HATES tr^ns people and the old trio didn't stand by her (because why would they??) so this is the relaunch
airfryerfuntime@reddit
The first movie is 25 years old. For reference, the Matrix came out 25 years after the first Godfather movie. It's definitely old enough to get away with it being redone, and kids will still absolutely watch the shit out of it.
Bwomsamdidjango@reddit
Because the movies left out a lot of important details. For example, Dobby’s death was supposed to be super sad, but we barely spend any time with him in the movies so I can’t imagine anyone having formed any kind of connection with him in the movies to make the scene sad.
TheHaplessKnicksFan@reddit
They already squeezed all the juice out of the first adaption, now it’s time to shill the reboot to a new generation. Anyone asking why these companies keep doing reboots is a clown. It’s never been about creativity. It’s about money. Always has been.
HVACGuy12@reddit
Wasn't a lot cut from the books to fit a movie? Also money
cocainebrick3242@reddit
Money. This isn't like the it TV series where we can hope for a closer adaptation to the book, this is just going to be the same product repainted.
And thanks to racism fifty or so idiots will scream about black hermione and advertise the show for hbo.
Scorkami@reddit
You cant keep selling merchandise off the same few pictures of daniel radcliffe from 10 years ago
WillyvOranje@reddit
They left tons of stuff from the books out. So I guess maybe a season per book or something
ChadWestPaints@reddit
The real answer is money, but tbf a show is way better equipped for a proper book adaptation than a movie. They gutted a shit ton of content and character work to cram the plots of decent sized books into a couple hours of film - in theory they could do a much better job with 10+hrs to tell each books story.
Im not optimistic given how most adaptations have gone recently, but its certainly possible this could be a good thing.
DickviperAU@reddit
JK Rowling is pissed at the original actors for Harry, Hermione and Ron for not absolutely despising trans people
GreenTunicKirk@reddit
The primary and original Harry Potter audience has everything they've wanted out of the franchise. They have the cloaks, the wands, they've been to Universal several times. They've also been severely turned off by JK rowlings anti-everything stance, and some have even sworn off being fans.
So, the license holders over at WBD (who need more money because profits are down and Zaslav needs another remodel on his house in the hamptons) decided to greenlight a new series... So they recapture a whole new audience of kids ... whose PARENTS will watch it with them... essentially looking to tap into markets with all new toys and props designed around the show.
Capitalism baby!!!
HiverMalfunktion@reddit
Warner is getting closer to de abyss of bankruptcy. They are desperate and Harry Potter is a safe bet, even with all of the J.K. Rollins Polemic, it will probably make a lot of money.
ExistingCleric0@reddit
What if it was just Year 1 shooting the shit at magic school with all the Y1 idealism and (almost) none of the Voldemort stuff other than the occasional "that Quarell guy's kind of odd lol I swear he was talking to himself!"
Valuable_Ant332@reddit
hollywood tries not to replace actors for "diversity" challenge (level: insane)
BunnyKnotMelt@reddit
I wonder who will have the trans father or lesbian parents.
Gackey@reddit
It'll be a cold day in hell before JK lets a trans person be in harry potter
Willdoeswarfair@reddit
It literally already happened in the Hogwarts game.
JustForBrowsing@reddit
theyre making this because the original actors support trans rights publicly and have shit talked JK so shes just redoing it all lol
mal73@reddit
making shit up to get upset about something
BunnyKnotMelt@reddit
Ppl did the same thing when predicting hermoine. What's your point?
delamerica93@reddit
"predicting" lol do you even know she's black? She looks mixed at most, she could be almost anything
DedInsideCat@reddit
Glitzarka@reddit
imagine giving a shit about this and being op
SnooWalruses3948@reddit
The odd thing is, the people that do these castings obviously do give a shit and make a deliberate effort to race-bend roles.
How is that less weird than OP calling it out?
fullmetalfisting@reddit
It's weird that he is this invested in a cash-grab reboot of a series for children. At least the casting director is getting paid to give a shit
Pureburn@reddit
Yup. This is one of the left’s most disingenuous arguments. If it’s not a big deal to change it, then it’s not a big deal to leave it alone, or change it back.
Similar to:
Developers: “We changed code in Oblivion Remastered to make Male and Female into Body Type 1 and Body Type 2.”
Gamers: “That’s dumb, it was Male and Female in Oblivion. I’m going to install a mod to revert it back to how it was when Oblivion was originally released.”
NexusMods: “MOD BANNED!”
Redditors: “WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH?! IT’S NOT A BIG DEAL!!”
Gamers: “If it’s not a big deal then why do you care if I change it back?”
Glitzarka@reddit
ive been to london and there's a lot of brown people so if nothing else it's just realistic
hundreds_of_sparrows@reddit
because they're getting paid and you're a spectator. don't like it? don't watch it. it's that simple.
TheA1ternative@reddit
I’m just looking at the first Hermione bimbo image too much to care.
No_Mammoth_4945@reddit
Right? the actors are like what, 12? This is a show for kids lol
gamhmenoreddit@reddit
bet they will remove any line calling her mudblood
Logey202@reddit
Astrid from the live action How to Train your Dragon
UpsideDownHAM@reddit
Imagine being upset about a character named fucking Ruffnut lmao
Logey202@reddit
Imagine trying to ragebait someone because they want a story to follow the original and not have actors be cast exclusively for fat/color inclusion when its entirely unnecessary.
I suppose Ruffnut and Tuffnut had and secret triplet…
Fucknut🤡
UpsideDownHAM@reddit
I wouldn’t choose to get so riled up over a kids movie, but you do you my man! ❤️
Logey202@reddit
I would, because its not “a kids movie”
Its an animated fantasy story that you perceive as “for children” because youve been raised to believe that sad lie.
I will continue to be discontent with a good movie being butchered by modern woke bs, and you can continue to believe in silly stereotypes like “for children” and ragebait on reddit, because like you said…
✨You do you man✨
Sec_Chief_Blanchard@reddit
how to train your dragon is pretty clearly a kids movie.
UpsideDownHAM@reddit
I think it might resonate with him, given he’s acting like a child to everyone calling the kids movie a kids movie. Enjoying a kids movie is fine. Losing your mind like a pissy baby is not.
Logey202@reddit
Why is it a kids movie?
Because its PG?
Because its animated?
Because its made by Dreamworks?
What EXACTLY makes it a kids movie, id love to know.
Sec_Chief_Blanchard@reddit
It's a movie adaptation of a children's book series.
There's nothing wrong with that. Watching a kids movie as an adult isn't something to be ashamed of.
UpsideDownHAM@reddit
lol he’s downvoting everything with his alts
MargetTobile@reddit
I think if you asked the creators at Dreamworks they would say the primary target for their films is children. I’d say that quality it as a “kids movie”
Why are you so pressed about this? You’re getting defensive for no reason and it’s weird. I watch plenty of kids films; nothing wrong with that.
no-one-reads-these@reddit
Who gives a dick
Zanzibar41@reddit
why do they always pick the most unattractive black women they can find. I'd be fine with hermione being black if she was an earthy black girl
Zealousideal-Rule-48@reddit
Wow... When the mudblood word starts getting thrown around it's gonna be real uncomfortable
ApostatisZero@reddit
Snape, the notoriously bigoted person towards muggle-born students, being made black, and then race-swapping Hermione is gonna be fucking wild.
Half-blood hits different now, doesn't it.
Of course most likely they're just going to massively fucking downplay any possible mature themes like classism because the current day 20 year old is incapable of maturely digesting these things without shitting and pissing themselves.
SizzlingPancake@reddit
Funny joke I saw is now all the points where Harry just says that he has a suspicious feeling about Snape with no evidence is going to be a lot more racially charged lol
Salticracker@reddit
It's fine, it'll get cancelled in 3 seasons like everything else anyways
disposableaccount848@reddit
I sincerely don't care about race changing characters whose appearance is irrelevant to the story like Hermione but yeah, Snape changing race here just won't work for genuine reasons.
Or, actually, Malfoy kind of hates Hermione because she's born from non-wizards and kind of is whatever that -ist would be already so I guess even that will also have some racist undertones now.
So yeah, white Potter automatically hates black Snape and white Malfoy automatically hates POC Hermione.
Ah fuck.
Sammo223@reddit
I mean, it’s just changing the allegory to a story really. We should see it the same way because ultimately it’s the same thing.
IIlIIlIIlIlIIlIIlIIl@reddit
Yeah, in HP there essential was no colorism as all racism related to wizardliness/blood.
In the new HP since they're swapping all those characters, the discrimination will be the same it'll just likely be more directed towards skin color rather than blood alone.
Aphrel86@reddit
haha its gonna be hillarious.
Snape is gonna be like Uncle Ruckus.
ApostatisZero@reddit
This is getting closer and closer to a parody the more we here. Muggle studies is gonna be teaching Malfoy how to operate a handgun
Pureburn@reddit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j-2ZxldMO-M
DurkahMurkah@reddit
This is the thing. Race swapping and shit aside they don’t do anything deep anymore. They’re more concerned about appearances of saying something deep as opposed to actually saying something deep.
yomer123123@reddit
Tbf its not even out yet, if its not a 1 to 1 adaptain, it is source material that you can do a ton with beyond the original work. Not to mention that the movies obviously didnt adapt everything from the books, so even an actual 1 to 1 can have things that didnt happen/werent shown in the movies.
With that said, yeah i dont trust any of these companies, especially not WB. At "best" this will just be on the level of the movies, but boring because weve seen it before. At worse its just going to be cultural bait or just not try at all and ride on the IP.
Either way, who really gives a shit - maybe there will be a new good show, probably not. Not like we lack shit to do, and the books and movies aint going no where.
---x__x---@reddit
I'm interested in how they're going to make the relentless bullying of Snape by James & Co including being strung from a tree by magic not look racist.
Zeus78905@reddit
Don't forget that Snape is a half blood himself
Grouchy_Ice_193@reddit
Imagine they just paint the actor white like corpsepaint hahahahahahah
No_Mammoth_4945@reddit
I mean this is a show for kids lol what do y’all expect
Ok_WaterStarBoy3@reddit
They're just gonna change a bunch of lines
Unironically if they didn't then atleast it would he more impactful and offensive to drive the message and make it interesting but these are panderers, not world class writers
8bit-wizard@reddit
I saw this article get posted earlier today and it was immediately taken down by mods because OP used that word in the title. Also you used it, too.
AisladoV@reddit
m word
Isphus@reddit
Mugger?
Vincent_Heist@reddit
It's migger aka Mick Jagger.
Gwiilo@reddit
WOAH
RogueThespian@reddit
the closer the show gets to release the more confident I am they're going to fuck it up entirely, but it's actually wild they picked the two people who are on the receiving end of the most racism in the series and cast people of color for them.
naturalbornsinner@reddit
"the mud just seeps through your skin" could be a character line. Might drive the message home about how insidious arbitrary discrimination can be. Even when mudbloods come from all backgrounds.
The_Great_Hambriento@reddit
Wait til what’s essentially the HP universe’s worst racial slur is carved into her skin
No_Temporary9696@reddit
Another to the list of shows I won’t watch now
fuckmywetsocks@reddit
"Melaninus Obscurum" shouted Dumbledore with a swish of his wand, and with a flash, Hermione was ready for the first film.
Tinf0iI@reddit
*dumbledore said calmly, exploding the eardrums of everyone within a five mile radius
Duruarute@reddit
Incredible how there are grown up people, like actual adults, that care about this
Darkthunder1992@reddit
I don't think your statement is half as witty as you think it is.
Jest, because you are a "grown-up person," you are supposed to shed your interests and fascinations? Turning into a husk of a human that is indifferent towards anything?
Fiction of any kind is an important part of many people's "hobbyscape" having grown up with certain kinds of media, seeing it stripped, gutted and twisted to fill a narrative the original author did not care for. While also taking away from the original storry is painful.
This is not about Harry Potter, but modern adaptation in general. There are people out there who read these books since they were able to read. Dreaming and hoping to receive an adaptation of what they are reading. Instead, you have some failed writer take a beloved storry and turn it into a third rate fanfiction.
samdamaniscool@reddit
Its funny that you try and argue that fucking JK Rowling of all people will have issues with the changes. She is literally the queen of "pretending my characters were gay/black the whole time for brownie points."
Darkthunder1992@reddit
Like I said. This is not about Harry Potter but any and all fiction that gets fucked by modern adaptations.
samdamaniscool@reddit
Okay but the post is about Harry potter
Darkthunder1992@reddit
And the coment I replied to is not specifying that it's just about Harry Potter. It instead implies that "adults should not care"
ciuccio2000@reddit
I also think that it's remarkably regarded being mad about corpslop exploiting diversity to stir up engagement, but it is slightly kek worthy that anon was indeed right
josongni@reddit
A black actress played Hermione in some stage adaptation, doesn’t take a genius to guess that they’d make her black in a new adaptation. (Is this girl even black? She looks like she could be half or quarter anything)
Sec_Chief_Blanchard@reddit
Only americans would consider her black
BoosherCacow@reddit
I'm American and to me she's about as black as Richard Simmons.
bisky12@reddit
i know. and one dude even said “rope fuel”. fym rope fuel it’s harry potter ?!
josongni@reddit
Tbf if you’re getting upset over the colour of a little girl in an unneeded cash grab TV adaptation of a children’s book then terminating your existence is probably the best thing to do
No-Atmosphere3208@reddit
As in, he's blasting ropes
destroyerOfTards@reddit
Like blasting them with dynamite?
No-Atmosphere3208@reddit
Yeah, sure. That.
nyxo1@reddit
Detcord, actually
paco-ramon@reddit
JK Rowling would cast the most transphobic kid possible if it depended on her,
ZachF8119@reddit
Everyone has stories they care about.
JK is pretty conservative so I’d be surprised.
bordain_de_putel@reddit
Is it really? Look at the Star Wars or MCU fan base.
Tuarangi@reddit
Anon lusts after a girl who is under-age
Many such cases
FindingE-Username@reddit
Anon is angry that, due to his racism, he cannot lust over an 11 year old
Communistkraken@reddit
Have you seen the partners of Most racists?
SwynFlu@reddit
Call it sexist but most racists only hate the men of other races
BoosherCacow@reddit
Now why would you bring my mother into this?
77enc@reddit
this may not be a faithful recreation of the original movies, but they have already managed to recreate certain people's questionable thoughts on underage hermione. truly incredible.
Glass-Transition-631@reddit
Apparently you care enough to comment
If you actually didn't care you'd just keep scrolling
basilisk_boi2@reddit
Uncle480@reddit
BoosherCacow@reddit
I do enjoy being exposed to high art.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Where can I get this without the shitty crop?
InterestingFig7375@reddit
I see the i funny watermark. You can't crop it from me!
monsieurnolan@reddit
No_Economics_2677@reddit
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airfryerfuntime@reddit
Obviously
Dapper_Magpie@reddit
Don't know what the original comment was, but I like man ass
rancidfart86@reddit
Yes I do
rNBA_Mods_Be_Better@reddit
He cares that adults out there who waste their time on stuff like this, not about what race this fictional character is
CompactAvocado@reddit
Why does it matter?
I dunno why change it?
Duruarute@reddit
so true bestie
damrider@reddit
It's so crazy to me just searching for reasons to get mad
Macqt@reddit
You mean the people who grew up on the original Harry Potter content and are now freaking out because their simple minds can’t comprehend change?
We just call them morons, idk where you been.
OneEnvironmental9222@reddit
how dare people care what a mess the film industry has become. Imagine having standards
airfryerfuntime@reddit
"But muh nostalgia
Hackeringerinho@reddit
I agree with the sentiment, but I disagree with the isolation from the community.
HighlightSerious3348@reddit
Everyone who isn't fungus white is now black?
HighlightSerious3348@reddit
Everyone who isn't fungus white is now black, apparently?
Moobs16@reddit
If the colors of the houses were changed, let's say even the robes were changed to white or something, would people still be going "why do you care." If they made Hogwarts have a traditional medieval style instead of the Gothic architecture, would it be strange to see people not too pleased? I find it fascinating that the only time you're not supposed to care about appearance is when it's a white character changed to be black.
bloodycontrary@reddit
God forbid I see dark skin on my television
Zebra_Shadow@reddit
Hermione and Ron now makes sense, they're the same
bermass86@reddit
is she black? I don't think I reach that level of racism
Wk1360@reddit
“I’m not racist, some of my best fictional characters could’ve maybe been black this entire time despite how they were described”
-Rowling
sanesociopath@reddit
-Back when she was trying to do everything she could to be a leftist cult leader, just before they crossed her red line
josongni@reddit
She’s always been pretty syncretic in her beliefs. She opposed Scottish independence (which certainly pissed off many leftist Scots) and was very much on the Corbyn-is-an-anti-semite train (which many British leftists still disagree with). I’d say she’s a vaguely economically centre-to-centre-left person who probably had some shallow socially liberal beliefs, couldn’t get on board with the trans stuff, then went on the trans-obsession spiral
BitesTheDust55@reddit
Oh she's still right where she always was politically. It's only on ONE issue that she dares step over that line. She's still a dunce when it comes to literally everything else.
Wk1360@reddit
After working on Harry a potter, Rowling got used to people glazing her for doing shoddy, low effort work. When the series ended she had no way to get that attention, so she started pandering to the lowest common denominator: political twitter users. But she’s so incompetent she couldn’t even do that right, so now she has to pander to a different crowd to get people to act like she’s not fallen off & irrelevant again.
ZenPyx@reddit
I wonder what she'll do once she pisses off her current crowd. Scientology? God knows.
DomSchraa@reddit
Leftism # feminism
Taaargus@reddit
Please name one part of Hermione's story where it matters that she's white.
Wk1360@reddit
I don’t think there is such a moment, and I don’t think any character in Harry Potter’s race really matters. But it’s disingenuous of Rowling to pretend that she was more race-conscious than she actually was.
If you make a mistake, or you have a blind spot, the proper thing to do is to try to be better, not pretend you were always perfect. But Rowling doesn’t like feeling subpar about anything so pretends like she’s always done a really good job this whole time in secret.
Taaargus@reddit
Sure. But that's not what she's saying. She's saying the characters were written in a way that doesn't need to be defined by race. Which is true.
ptjp27@reddit
It came out in 97, nobody gave a shit about inserting black people into every page of a book back then, least of all the British.
ConscientiousPath@reddit
Does she even have any creative control over this show at all though?
Agasthenes@reddit
That's at most a Mediterranean flair. Only south Africans would call that black.
EconomistLazy9952@reddit
Or brazilians
dreadfoil@reddit
Or people from the Southern US. To me she looks like a lighter skinned black person. What’s the term… red bone? (Is that racist)?
Smelldicks@reddit
In the US, people of this shade w African ancestry would almost always identify themselves as black. See: Zendaya.
So most people are probably using it in the context of how Americans would use it even if she’s mixed race.
NegativeMammoth2137@reddit
Still waiting for the Haplogroup reveal
ChocoOranges@reddit
She is 100% not black, she looks mixed or med. Can't tell the difference ngl.
DryConversation8530@reddit
Mixed = Black
Quazzle@reddit
Do people need a Dulux colour chart to decide how outraged they should be? /s
SerBron@reddit
Nevermind skin colour, she is supposed to be a redhead.
bermass86@reddit
H0rnyMifflinite@reddit
My racism chakras are a bit unaligned but come on she barely reaches level 4.
Testing_things_out@reddit
May I suggest some activated racist almonds?
H0rnyMifflinite@reddit
What differs them from my KK Cranberries?
OCE_Mythical@reddit
Yes, more shades further from original == more outrage.
KJBenson@reddit
I mean…. Not sarcasm. Plenty of people think that way.
MisterBobAFeet@reddit
It would honestly help me out a lot at this point, not gonna lie...
sanesociopath@reddit
Yes
XxBOOSIExFADExX@reddit
I wouldn't even guess she's mixed. Maybe part Italian. There's so many European people with a darker skin. It's crazy the kid playing Harry is lighter skinned that the red head kid playing Ron. Either way, why is someone upset over a kids skin tone?
Smelldicks@reddit
I wouldn’t have given a shit even if they cast a wholly black girl to play her, but she’s clearly not Italian if she has an English last name. She’d be a lot whiter if mixed race with southern European heritage. To me she looks mixed race with either Indian or black heritage.
Smelldicks@reddit
Based on her last name she’s definitely partially non-European, because if she were something like Italian, she would be whiter if mixed. To me she looks south Asian and I wouldn’t be surprised to find out she was part black instead.
More practically, I seriously doubt HBO would want the flack of casting someone racially ambiguous if they turned out to just be white. You’re collecting the worst of both worlds.
(I personally wouldn’t have given a shit even if they cast a totally black chick to play her)
chetizii@reddit
Upgrade your gaming chair and recite gamer words to your local children, noob.
tboom9@reddit
Racebinding
keeleon@reddit
She has the exact market tested pigment of skin allowed.
alfredo094@reddit
I swear, she is barely brown, this is so stupid.
Akatshi@reddit
No lol
Gurn-Blanston@reddit
Apparently this is black, so I don't even know anymore.
KralHeroin@reddit
Definitely a PoC.
Nathan_hale53@reddit
No people overreacting. How much you want to be this poor girl is going to get death threats from people who wouldn't even watch the show.
dedmew51c@reddit
A couple years ago jk retconned her to be that race
WernerWindig@reddit
black enough I'd say
Oaker_at@reddit
That’s a trick question to test how racist we are. Gotcha. Won’t get me to out me that easy!
PapierStuka@reddit
God fucking damn WB, those kids, especially the girl, are gonna get so much hate.. first time in a long time I'm actually kinda heartbroken
Icaughtkillin@reddit
Mud blood for 2 reasons
BatmanForce@reddit
Isn't she just slightly tan white?
NegativeMammoth2137@reddit
Looks Southern European. Like Green or South Italian
Chesey_@reddit
Yeah this is a reach and a lazy one at that. I can understand the Snape casting raising some eyebrows, but aside from the very slight skin colour difference, this is Hermione, even got the large front teeth from the books.
pornhubforcomments@reddit
Casting a mixed race girl gives interesting context to kids calling her "mud blood".
GTA-CasulsDieThrice@reddit
What are you smoking to think that’s black? That’s just Mediterranean.
breakfasteveryday@reddit
Fucking lol
No-Section-4385@reddit
Imagine the outrage if they used a white person for a black person role.
delamerica93@reddit
Boy do I have news for you! This has happened thousands of times actually!
FuciMiNaKule@reddit
can you list some
delamerica93@reddit
Sure! Check out the other person who replied to me, he asked for recent examples and I provided a few. Took me about 9 seconds of searching
DaddiesxCummies@reddit
I’m genuinely curious of instances of this happening in the past 40 years lmao. What black roles were race swapped and given to white folks? Comedies in which that is the joke do not count. No Tyler Perry movies
delamerica93@reddit
In Warm Bodies they cast a white girl who was Ethiopian in the book. Angelina Jolie has played a couple roles written for black people. Anthony Hopkins in Human Stain is supposed to be black. Just a couple examples from recent times
Don't even get me started on the Asian and Arab roles that have been replaced with white people, it's a LONG list
Taco_parade@reddit
Yeah the historically accurate Harry Potter series while plot hinges in the white life of of the girl at the wizard school. Which takes place in London where famously no people of any color live or ever lived. You lead sucking idiot.
SizzlingPancake@reddit
WraithArt@reddit
Does that really look like a black person to you?
bigmangina@reddit
Im more bothered that a group of people well known for being terrible at their jobs will see success by making a worse version of the movies. I would be incredibly happy if my assumption is wrong.
lewistinethecunt@reddit
Poor kids ain’t getting a career out of this
Clemen11@reddit
Blond kid is gonna call a kid with dark skin "mudblood". This is not gonna end well...
Relevant-Cat8042@reddit
Mad at casting as if JKR didn’t make Dobbie or whatever the fuck his name is into a BDSM painal loving gimp after the movies.
Xgoodnewsevery1@reddit
Obviously it would be Hermione who would be changed, people are already commenting how bad it's going to look to have snape be a black actor constantly berated and belittled, Harry is the MC in a British series, he's kept true to character for the British identity. If Ron had been changed to be black you'd have an even worse problem than wjth snape, a black character being constantly told and belittled that his family is poor by Malfoy.
kilqax@reddit
In terms of practicality, you'd also have to get a black person with ginger hair that looks natural and also a whole ass family with the same traits which honestly seems hard.
AliceInCookies@reddit
Wigs exist
DaddiesxCummies@reddit
This was the most embarrassing “gotcha” attempt ever. That woman has nothing real about her lmao
TraumaPerformer@reddit
I’m honestly surprised they didnt blackwash the entire cast. You’d be shot down as a racist for not immediately approving, so why not?
Please. All the identity we have left could fit into a fucking thimble.
PicturePrevious8723@reddit
Ok, so Hermione is going to be called "mudblood" and we're just supposed to assume that's about her magical heritage and not her mixed-race genetics?
Same with Snape being bullied. Changing ANY of the main cast from white is a dumb casting decision. It completely changes the narrative to politicised 21st century racism.
Thankfully by the time this releases AI will be good enough to replace these actors with book-accurate characters.
garifunu@reddit
They’re going to make all sorts of edits to the story to accommodate sensitivities and all that
CaptainHindsight92@reddit
Hermione is constantly getting it from malfoy that she is a mudblood and she starts a movement to free house elves from slavery.
Xgoodnewsevery1@reddit
True but all they need is one statement about how absurd it is that muggles still hate eachother based on skin color and a big emphasis on the mud blood being specifically magic related and they'll let it slide. Tho the mud blood aspect is hysterical I didn't think of that XD
flex_tape_salesman@reddit
Honestly I didn't even notice originally that this girl playing hermione is black she does look like a good cast I think. Snape has a hugely iconic look and his pale skin was regularly highlighted. I'm not entirely sure about that one.
Xgoodnewsevery1@reddit
Yeah there's not really anything against Hermione being played by basically anyone, my comment more just hitting on the fact that if there's anyone that you could get the least pushback on changing the ethnicity of its absolutely Hermione.
Tararator18@reddit
Bro wtf Hermione is a kid for most of the books and movies. Bueh
No-Care6414@reddit
She's not even black?? What are your talking about?
icedragon71@reddit
Haven't they also made Severus Snape black as well? A character literally described in the books as being very pale with greasy looking hair?
KwintenDops@reddit
Prestigious-Fig1172@reddit
Holy fucking shit, the ginger character is still ginger!! This is revolution!!
Totoques22@reddit
My thoughts as well
bell37@reddit
There’s still hope for the ginger character to transition to a POC girl by the end of the series
toomuchradiation@reddit
Is this considered black?
spoon_lord_levi@reddit
Deserved bruh
lilkarkov@reddit
This is a black person?
Cute_Prune6981@reddit
I am more concerned for the oop considering how he posted goonerbait art of a character which is a minor.
krigeerrr@reddit
how the fuck is that even black
Scarab_Kisser@reddit
if rowling wanted hermione to be black, she would name her watermelony rappingtone
Pandelein@reddit
Real talk… she actually looks way more like Emma than the boys look like Daniel or Rupert. Her facial features are an excellent match. Imma go out on a limb here and say she wasn’t actually chosen for her skin tone at all, for a change.
Anen-o-me@reddit
Hermione looks fine in that picture, but Harry... that looks like entirely the wrong actor.
xdrakennx@reddit
Dude looks a bit crazy
Anen-o-me@reddit
Definitely. He looks devious, a little bit psychotic, like that smile is overbroad and inauthentic.
I await the drama his teenage acting out years will bring.
Cadlington@reddit
They got pretty lucky with Daniel the first time around, contacts aside. He was pretty weedy and sold Harry spending the first 11 years of his life being malnourished and abused pretty well.
Anen-o-me@reddit
Ron I think was a decent casting for the movies, but they ruined him in the writing. In the books he's an intelligent guy, but the movies turned him into comic relief.
But that's a common sentiment, I'm sure you've heard it before.
Cadlington@reddit
Mhm. Rupert Grint was a good actor, but in terms of these new kids, that just looks perfectly like Ron. They're 2 for 2 for casting in terms of looks when it comes to him.
Anen-o-me@reddit
Agreed, new Ron looks fine.
kek_Pyro@reddit
Are all 4chinners just looking for any reason to rope now?
SyerenGM@reddit
I honestly don't see the issue with her. She looks like a decent fit in my opinion. Not as bad as the little mermaid casting or snow white by any means. Honestly I ended up disliking the actress who played her in the movie so much I'm fine with the girl looking NOTHING like her.
DaFunkable@reddit
😞
matt_127@reddit
As far as the book descriptions of Hermione go, she is pretty spot on except for the teeth
chickensaladreceipe@reddit
Well now that gingers are black both Ron and hermione are poc
mr_dovahkiin@reddit
Anyone got a source on that first Hermione pic?
Aridez@reddit
isn’t hermione described as brown in one of the books or something like that?
OneInternational984@reddit
Yes, she was. Goblet of Fire, Page 74:
Aridez@reddit
allgreek2me2004@reddit
1) of course they were going to cast it that way.
2) Who gives a shit? Harry Potter is for babies.
Applitude@reddit
Someone tell me, who gives a fuck
TheFalconKid@reddit
Considering it's HBO, those kids will be in their late thirties when they get to the final book.
Just look at the Stranger Things kids, they're getting close to Tobey McGuire's age when he was cast in Spider-Man.
BaneishAerof@reddit
Lust provoking image, irrelevant time wasting question
Vall3y@reddit
Well if harry potter takes place in Britain then it makes sense, 80% of british people are black no?
OneInternational984@reddit
This is true, I watched the BBC and it was full of black people.
kdela36@reddit
am I colorblind or is she not even black?
damrider@reddit
People that care about this are so funny man. Enlighten me how does this affect you in any way and why
BaronVonWeeb@reddit
And just like that, the show has failed. Not many on the left would watch it cuz fuck Rowling, and not many on the right will watch it cuz of Hermione
AvePicante@reddit
OP took one look at Meghan Markle and thought that was peak melanin
zhiro90@reddit
She's been black in plays and fanon and such for like a decade now, i actually almost expected her to be of direct african descent; the actress looks just tan. Whatever. Still curious on how they will deal with the Marauders picking on snape now.
The_Dragon_Redone@reddit
How long before the degens traumatize the poor girl with a count-down timer?
binkerfluid@reddit
Most surprising thing is they kept the redhead character
slothboss@reddit
If you are that upset about harry freaking potter. A magical series for kids by a cunt. You got bigger problems
vault_wanderer@reddit
Wait they allowed Ron to be a ginger? In a modern Adaptation? What kind of wizardry is this?
ShamrockGold@reddit
Grown men wanting to rope because a character in a series of kids books wasn't the race that they wanted
Sonova_Vondruke@reddit
anon also claimed birds aren't real.
stop_talking_you@reddit
imagine runing old movie magic by remaking it. god i hate hollywood
FinGamer678Nikoboi@reddit
I love it when companies troll racists xD
LilXansStan@reddit
Snape is the only black professor at Hogwarts
Harry immediately thinks he is suspicious for no reason
Now this is a remake with some cajones
XxBOOSIExFADExX@reddit
Are they insinuating that girl is black?
OneEnvironmental9222@reddit
Im surprised they didnt replace the ginger. Modern entertainment industry HATES gingers for some reason
GargamelLeNoir@reddit
If someone becomes an hero because a kid cast is a certain color, they're doing the world a favor.
maggiemayfish@reddit
SilDaz@reddit
They're just doing it to stir up the pot. And it's working
Common_Relative_9634@reddit
Leave ginger b*tches alone!
slasher1337@reddit
Hermione isn't a ginger
Tricky-Coffee5816@reddit
Why do they hate Gingers so much
slasher1337@reddit
Wdym, hermione isn't a ginger
WraithArt@reddit
They still never say this when Marvel's Daredevil gets brought up
eXclurel@reddit
She is a kid who has darker skin. Don't see any problem with it. Even if she was black race swapping shouldn't be a problem but the producers use racism as a get of jail free card in case the show sucks. You will see the series will absolutely be ass af and they will blame fans for being racist. Happened many many times. Even the people right here in the comments are sucking the producers' imaginary dicks calling people who actually care for the source material and ask for a quality product man-child, stupid, and you guessed it: racist. How many times we are going to point out the same thing over and over again for you dumbasses to understand it was never about the race of the actors/actresses. It is the blatant racism baits of producers who want to spent as little money and effort as possible and hide behind the race card for their shitty products.
Plebbitgetsburntdown@reddit
Herbrownie
destroyerOfTards@reddit
Her brownie what?
pokexchespin@reddit
why are people acting like this is a crazy prediction? jk said hermione could be black years before, i think there was even a black hermione in cursed child
Harryofthecharlottes@reddit
Harry Potter in the big 2025
DiscountParmesan@reddit
is she really black? I thought she was just tan from this picture
Flashlight_Inspector@reddit
Ron somehow escaped the DEI's hatred for the lost tribe. Guess they couldn't resist making Rowling's shitposts canon
Bratfett00@reddit
Why the fuck are they even making this. The figures and actors of the og cast is ingrained in popculture. Its basically preprogrammed for disaster.
Vlad_The_Great_2@reddit
I don’t think my racism levels are high enough. I don’t know if she’s mixed, Hispanic, or white with a tan. Besides who cares. Everyone that’s loves Harry Potter already read the books and saw the movies.
Mr_CookieTickles@reddit
At least they kept the ginger and didn't turn him into a ......
DJIsSuperCool@reddit
The author suggested it didn't she?
"The movie is gonna follow the original creators wish for change isn't it? It's joe over.
TheNieno@reddit
who gives a shit ?
Laxhoop2525@reddit
The non-wizard racism will now just be normal racism.
thegrimmemer03@reddit
I'm ngl she doesn't look bad
InstrumentalCore@reddit
Didn't the movies do an good job telling the story? so why is this happening?
Twinkerbellatrix@reddit
It actually makes sense to make Hermione black if they're gonna do raceswap anyone.
Their universe has a built in slur for her.
NJ-95@reddit
If that girl is black then so am i apparently
SigmaBattalion@reddit
Lmfao
Dud-of-Man@reddit
why dont they ever race swap the main character? like it always the love interest, sidekick, best friend, or some random no name, but ive never seen them do it with the title character. why? make harry black. if you want black people in more roles, why arent they in the major roles? why is it always the less important character that gets the race change?
i really hope this poor girl doesnt get hated and sent death threats, but its going to happen, it happens everytime, and everytime the studio does nothing to protect the actor. its a shame they put these actors in the spotlight just to give people a target to aim at, so the studio can cry racism when the project underperforms due to poor writing.
NeverFalls01@reddit
Her teeth should be bigger and Rony's nose should be longer and broken
cheese0muncher@reddit
Which one is which character?
Avatarboi@reddit
Gotta be one of the most light skin kid I ever seen lol. Does this even count like replace with black actor
YoungDiscord@reddit
Uh-oh, I hear 4channers take out the skin colour chart
hundenkattenglassen@reddit
If they would’ve made something in the same universe but different characters, I would’ve definitely have watched. Not the biggest Potter fan, but the movies are a fundamental part of my childhood. I still really like them as 32yo since I watched ASAP when they got released so I grew up with them.
Fantastic Beasts was interesting because same universe but different era, different characters and different plot. (IMO the third movie got done dirty since they replaced Depp. He was amazing as the villain and even if Mads is a phenomenal actor that was still Depps role and it just got kinda weird instead)
But a remake as a series? Nah bruv. Just nah. In an already established universe they don’t have to think so hard to come up with something new that passes the watch ability criteria.
throwtheclownaway20@reddit
IIRC, didn't the books actually never explicitly state she was white? Cursed Child got a ton of flack for casting a black actress as Hermione and I remember it being a talking point that Hermione was at least black-coded in the original series. Given that her most meaningful side plot was fighting slavery, that makes sense in a uniquely Rowling way.
romulusnr@reddit
But hey if they want to an hero over this, Lowe's has great deals on hemp cordage
rancidfart86@reddit
That poor girl is going to get so much shit
dcarsonturner@reddit
whalemix@reddit
That girl is not black lmao. Is slightly tan really black enough to be racist towards? Are we going back to the times when Italians were basically black?
technoplannnnnnnnne@reddit
>lust provoking image
>irrelevant time wasting question
Varixx95__@reddit
Wasn’t hermione originally black in the books? Where did I read this?
luujs@reddit
I think JK Rowling retconned it in a Twitter post. I think Hermione’s race is barely mentioned in the books, but is written as “pale” at one point and the art work always portrayed her as white. Also, Emma Watson’s white in the films
RunInRunOn@reddit
throwagu@reddit
🏅 most obvious prediction award
despa1337o@reddit
Should have made them americans
previously_on_earth@reddit
Hermione is a Mudblood
Deathgripsugar@reddit
I zoomed in, and I know yall did too.
Tmccreight@reddit
Cry more losers
angelshipac130@reddit
Didnt the author tweet "um actually hermione was always black" but then got quoted from the book "her snow white face peaked out the window"??
So authors head canon is she black
Fuck that bitch but also fuck whoevers complaining, its fine
ironbeagle99@reddit
anon’s life hangs on the race of a child that doesn’t know he exists
Bobly2@reddit
The anti-woke slop channels are eating good tonight
ChoiceFudge3662@reddit
This is weird because if this takes place in the same timeline that means something happens to turn hermione white
RK9990@reddit
She took the polyjuice potion at birth
Guilty_Outcome1111@reddit
ITS EVEN WORSE THEY CAST A SHORT HAIRED RANGER