Werner suspends 401k contributions
Posted by legendarygarlicfarm@reddit | Truckers | View on Reddit | 208 comments
Posted by legendarygarlicfarm@reddit | Truckers | View on Reddit | 208 comments
Potential-Honey4484@reddit
How to say “We don’t want to have employees” without out saying…
Xpqp@reddit
Everyone should start looking for the doors if they are instituting this type of cost-cutting measure. This cut means that they are no longer capable of recruiting top-tier talent at any level because 401k matches are so standard now.
unloader86@reddit
It's Werner. They are a training company. No top tier talent takes a job at Werner. Because there are way better opportunities out there for experienced drivers.
This is expected behavior from a mega. You are an expendable asset to move their cheap freight from point A to B. You should see their terminal up in Dallas. Drivers aren't even allowed to visit their dispatcher in the office.
Their terminal is more like a secured compound than trucking company, where drivers are respected and welcomed.
Delicious_Peace_2526@reddit
Nobody wants long term employees anymore. Every second post is about someone getting fired for running a yellow light, or missing a speed limit sign on the nanny cam without even getting a ticket. The megas are paying 650 a week and denying home time. This is a hardship career and should pay as such. Rates adjust to accommodate increases in fuel, licensing, and maintenance.. they can adjust for raising labor costs too. Don’t let them fool you.
Thepopethroway@reddit
i like that term
Agreeable-Cat8077@reddit
650 a week? i couldn find one that paid less than 1000 a week, but few that would pay over 1300 a week, which is what i make 44hrs a week as a box truck driver driving under 25 miles a week on a data center site lol
Lilbroful@reddit
Exactly why I got my own flatbed. Expenses aren't cheap but there's no one to just say fuck you and cut my pay. This is insane.
Redsoxdragon@reddit
No point in investing in long term employees when you're pumping out students by the thousands and discarding them like dixie cups 😐
foreverlost1nsea@reddit
Don't forget their power only. They pay 1.70 per mile, zip to zip. 1.25 for deadhead and a small fuel surcharge, usually 0.20-.025.
Ready-Perception3343@reddit
Oh, they’re saying that loud and clear
EfavE_@reddit
There was a guy on here earlier that said he got fried from Werner for some BS reason. I think Werner is going through a rough time and trying to cut costs…
Flashy_Broccoli4927@reddit
$100 million sorry. Here's the link. https://www.ttnews.com/articles/texas-supreme-court-werner#:~:text=The%20case%20centers%20on%20a,share%20any%20of%20the%20fault.
yeah-no-yeah-no@reddit
Wow, that lawsuit is wild, not the dollar amount but the situation of the accident— oh in the heck could they have said the driver was responsible or partially responsible for that accident?!! Wild
Tru3insanity@reddit
Existing in the wrong place at the wrong time is apparently a crime for us.
PontoonDood@reddit
Pretty sure it's a civil matter.
fotopic@reddit
Apparently that’s named “proximity cause”. It amazes me that such ruling exists
412raven@reddit
Seems fair to me if the part about the road being a skating rink with drivers sliding off left and right is true. Why not pull over and wait for the weather to improve?
I do think the blame should be more on the sleeping trainer/company than the trainee.
redwingcut@reddit
Nah that still doesn’t make any sense. The person who didn’t maintain their lane should’ve pulled over in that case.
412raven@reddit
Two things can be true at once.
You’re completely correct that the person who didn’t maintain their lane should’ve pulled over.
That doesn’t excuse the truck driver for not also pulling over. 50 mph on black ice with multiple cars losing control around you is just reckless.
Thepopethroway@reddit
The driver doesn't need an excuse. You don't need an excuse for some asshole crossing the median and getting his family killed.
alf20104@reddit
It was stated that the trucker didn't encounter any other cars that were crashing or sliding/losing control around them at the time. The only vehicle that lost control was the one that crashed into him.
Outlaw11091@reddit
15% for the drivers and 70% for Werner.
They specifically found messages between the driver and dispatch that she was afraid and didn't want to drive, but Werner told her that she had to drive in order to make her appointment.
Summer-feels44@reddit
So bc other people suck at driving we have to park it and not make money.
412raven@reddit
One of the main arguments made was that if Werner had better policies relating to bad weather this could’ve been avoided.
Forcing drivers to either push through bad weather or not get paid is exactly the issue. Probably would have cost the company less to pay their drivers for sitting through bad weather.
Prankishmanx21@reddit
Any argument you make can turn around and be used against the plaintiff.
Bbqandjams75@reddit
That’s the crux of the matter, that truck should have not been on the road.. that’s like driving empty in 40mph and your trailer hit someone who was driving under the speed limit
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
I agree! And a pick up truck is the worst thing to drive on ice! How is the mother not liable?
ckanderson@reddit
Okay Werner is shitty, but $100million for THIS?!
EVOChi@reddit
Dude Fr wtf. That jury must’ve had something out for semi drivers. That pickup driver crossed the median into the wrong way of traffic! How in the hell could Werner be liable or the driver. Flawed court system strikes once again
PrivatePilot9@reddit
Texas doing Texas things. That’s how.
hiplainsdriftless@reddit
Well the miserable worthless attorneys are distorting common sense yet again ruining something else in this country. When you look who’s destroying this country there’s usually an attorney around.
aStonefacedApe@reddit
Na, don't hate the player; hate the game. Lawyers don't make laws. They can only play within the rules set by lawmakers. Blame the politicians. And then take it one step further and blame the citizens that voted for them. What I'm saying is, shifting the blame is rarely beneficial or useful. We are all to blame for allowing this system to exist in the first place.
hiplainsdriftless@reddit
You are 100%correct. But most politicians are lawyers!😂
kanodoggg@reddit
I really would love it if those ambulance chasers started to get Luigi'd. That's one id applaud.
hiplainsdriftless@reddit
I agree with your sentiment but I won’t go that far. But the miserable SOB’s will still do everything they can to line their pockets.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
Also a little racism because Texas ⭐️
Snookfilet@reddit
Wouldn’t be Reddit without this dumbass comment in every thread.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
Oooooh, right. My bad. There are no racists in Texas. I’ve been corrected by a well-read enlightened American, everyone! Enjoy that bootsicle!
Snookfilet@reddit
It’s always so predictable and lame. Y’all never do anything but criticize and tear down, exaggerate the problems and ignore the good things. What a miserable bunch of clowns.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
Oh, yes the prosecutors and judges here are righteous angels who are only working for the good of the state. No one looked at Mr. Ali, and thought, “fuck that guy he doesn’t belong here and look at the beautiful white family he destroyed”. Everyone is working from color blind altruism. I do a lot more that criticize on this app, but pointing out the obvious is easy. Do you want me to point out the good thing? The good thing is that this case also highlighted classism. The article didn’t say that Mr. Ali was actually a student driver. What kind of an educational program is Werner running where a student driver is out there driving on ice pulling a load? Oh, right… One where they make a profit on everything. Do you think this accident is his fault?
Snookfilet@reddit
There’s a reason why the real world doesn’t take you commies seriously. And a damn good thing of it, too.
No, it’s a bad judgement and the driver shouldn’t have been found at fault. But you people always jump to the most politically convenient reasons for everything and 99.9% it’s fucking bullshit.
aStonefacedApe@reddit
Both of you guys are idiots on extreme ends of the spectrum accusing each other of saying/being things you are not. Don't blame each other. Blame the politicians
Snookfilet@reddit
Oh thank God, daddy’s home.
aStonefacedApe@reddit
Lol right. Or squabble in the dirt with your working class brother. I'm sure THAT'S what will result in the changes you seek. Lemme know how it works out for you big dawg.
Snookfilet@reddit
Ok “big dawg” lol
You do understand that common economic circumstances aren’t everything, right? Like, people who make the exact same amount of money can for sure disagree on things and not be allies?
aStonefacedApe@reddit
Yea you can do whatever the fuck you want big dawg. You can drink a cup of bleach. You can play in traffic. You can smoke PCP. Doesn't mean you should though. Pretty sure your parents taught you that. Short sighted fool. Carry on.
Snookfilet@reddit
No, I just don’t see human value in terms of economics. “Short sighted fool” lol
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
So you don’t want to question the motives of the bad judgment? There’s no motive? They just made it up and went with it? Since you looked at my history, I will ask you… Obviously you don’t agree with what’s going on in Gaza. Do you have a good reason why Israel would to killchildren in Gaza? Are they just bad guys? Or is it fascism, racism, and colonialism? Just wondering for a friend in the real world.
Snookfilet@reddit
Ism, ism, ism. So completely indoctrinated.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
Someone taught you how to read and write. Was that indoctrination?
Snookfilet@reddit
Same exact thing as swallowing Marxism wholesale. Great point.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
I don’t swallow Marxism wholesale. it’s a conversation. Again, you are leaning on vague generalization, but only because you don’t want to see the bigger picture.
Snookfilet@reddit
You’re literally trying to brainwash your unwitting family through media. That’s pretty sinister but not unprecedented by a Marxist.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
Well, I have to get the truth to them somehow. Because it has been almost 100% removed from popular culture and it’s only getting worse.
Snookfilet@reddit
I think it’s the opposite of truth.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
How do you determine what the truth is?
Snookfilet@reddit
That which is. It can be determined by experience, reason, or accurate historical documentation.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
Ok, so for you, “it is what it is”. You don’t feel any need to analyze the reasons for anything? You don’t feel the need to look for ways to improve society or to reduce suffering? In order to improve the day-to-day conditions of humans around the world, shouldn’t we question and try to explain how we got here?
Snookfilet@reddit
And that’s not exactly “it is what it is.” More like, “that which has actually happened” when dealing with historical reality, and “that which can be philosophically reasoned in a coherent way” when dealing with the metaphysical.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
What would happen if you applied philosophy to history?
Snookfilet@reddit
I do. But when some people do that they cherry pick the parts of history that most fit their narratives and assign political motivations that don’t belong, and generally offer solutions to these manufactured or exaggerated problems that are more onerous than the problems themselves.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
I have learned more about history in the last few years during my deep dive into socialism that I ever learned in school. It’s honestly mind blowing what they don’t teach you in the United States is because they don’t want you to know how we’ve been sucking the rest of the world dry for our own gain. In other words, the textbooks cherry picked history for the gain of having good little obedient workers.
Snookfilet@reddit
Nah, Howard Zinn is just a crybaby. You can make an argument that global abject poverty was eradicated by American foreign policy since the end of WW2
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
How is telling the story of atrocities being a crybaby? You’re doing good! Are you a bot? Or just a bored truck driver like me? Lol. We were in a really good position after World War II. Because of the size of our country, and the position that we didn’t really sustain any damage at home during the war. For that time, propping up the world, economy, benefited ourselves, and for the most part, it was a great program and a good idea. But our decicion to squash socialism around the world did a lot of damage. Especially in central and South America. The Soviet Union didn’t have to be our enemy, just as China doesn’t have to be our enemy now. it’s only the fear of losing American power and corporate power and profit. Also, most of those countries paid back their debts to the United States in the billions. And they’ve been forced to use the US dollar. Which makes us the de facto ruler of the world.
Snookfilet@reddit
Also, bored truck driver, lol. My truck was in the shop for an ELD connectivity issue but it’s fixed now. Glad we could get past the initial Reddit ridicule stage a little and actually converse a bit. Have a good one, gotta ride.
Snookfilet@reddit
Because Zinn only focuses on the sins of the west and ignores everyone else’s. He also seems to forget what the world was like before the rise of the west. Life was “nasty, brutish, and short.”
And no, the Soviets could not be our friends. Collectivism is the natural enemy to liberty. Human beings are equal in inherent value in the eyes of God, and so deserve equal rights (sorry but there is no good philosophical argument about human value or equality that doesn’t include a creator) but are not equal in talent, motivation, or ability which means that the profit incentive drives production and innovation. It can get out of control with an uneducated populace, and perhaps it has to a degree.
Snookfilet@reddit
Yes. I just disagree with the conclusions of marxists.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
Why do you think that Marxist are sinister?
Snookfilet@reddit
Because Marxism necessarily deteriorates into a reduction of liberty through state power.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
To be clear, I don’t call myself a Marxist. I call myself a socialist. Anyways, Marx did not advocate for a reduction in liberty and a rise in state power. He advocated for a rise and power among the proletariat, which would describe you and me. After removing the owning class, there should be no class. There have been people in the past that have called themselves communist that were not true communists. Also, “reduction of liberty through state power“.. doesn’t that describe what’s going on right now in the United States and elsewhere? If you can’t afford food and have no way to retire, isn’t that a reduction of liberty?
Snookfilet@reddit
I don’t think Marx understood human nature. That’s why the “no true communist” argument exists.
I do think what is happening in the US reduces liberty. I think we need drastically less state interference into our lives.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
Well, I’m not gonna explain the “no true communist” statement here. I invite you to look up Pot and Ceaușescu (evil). But, I can’t address the concept that without intervention to protect people that have less power, it only provides the runway for the rich powerful to get away with their wildest dreams.
Snookfilet@reddit
Marx also didn’t foresee collective bargaining and the welfare state. I think that’s a big reason why the left needs to exaggerate problems. Don’t need a revolution if things aren’t so bad.
Snookfilet@reddit
Speaking of vague generalizations
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
How do you explain it?
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
You didn’t answer the question. How do you explain it? There must be a reason. Or do you just go through life excepting all the horror…not asking questions and not wondering why?
Snookfilet@reddit
I actually know quite a bit about the conflict and it’s complicated. The Palestinians want all of the Jews dead and many of the Jews want to kill the Palestinians. The history goes back thousands of years. They both suck.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
If that’s your explanation of the conflict, then I question your statement that you, “actually know quite a bit”.
Snookfilet@reddit
I mean we could take a deep dive if you want. Did you need my dissertation? Lol
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
You wrote a dissertation?
Snookfilet@reddit
I did, but not on Israel/Palestine. I was being facetious.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
Jews, Christians, Muslims, and other religions lived more or less harmoniously in greater Palestine until Zionists decided they wanted to create a religious ethno-state. This was hastened by the atrocities of World War II. World powers like Britain did not help keep the peace by forcing Partition. And after the Nakba, the war, killing, and land-stealing began. Zionists have pushed and pushed until we have the genocide that you see today.
Snookfilet@reddit
That’s sort of true, but you aren’t going back far enough. When Palestine was a stateless territory of tribalism and all of the Jews and Christians had been kicked out of the neighboring Arab states, there was “relative” harmony in the region. Zionists were for sure on the dealing end of terrorist attacks (King David Hotel?) but also the receiving end. Much of the land was purchased fairly. Then much of it was gained in warfare, usually not directly initiated by Israel.
deadpat03@reddit
Every place is racist. Hell, the most racist people I've seen in 1 place was New York city. Not one person liked anyone. Get the fuck over it and quit acting like racism doesn't exist but in red states. Hate to tell you this but there is a difference between hating someone for the color of their skin and hating someone for being a piece of shit. You sir are a piece of shit so if hating people like you who constantly tell the world where the racist are not knowing the people and only judge them, then I sir am a racist. Cause I would love to purge the world of you " My shit don't stink" while smelling their asshole everytime they talk who just can't let it go and constantly has to remind the world it exist instead of living your shity life to the fullest. Get the fuck over it. The world don't fucking care about skin color. They give more of a damn about the fucking character of a person. Your character is a piece of shit.
Outlaw11091@reddit
$100 Mil because a trainer was asleep in the bunk while a, basically, raw trainee was driving in snow.
$100 Mil because they found messages between the driver and dispatch that proved said driver tried to communicate their discomfort to dispatch and was coerced into believing they had no choice but to drive.
Both drivers were found to be around 15% liable while Werner took 70%.
ComprehensiveDark814@reddit
But if the truck wasn't at fault then none of that stuff should be relevant, right?
Thepopethroway@reddit
So they're going to charge the driver $15 gorillion dolláires and bankrupt the company because some dumbass in dispatch wanted them to drive in snow and another asshole just happened to cross the median and get his family YEETed?
American justice system lol lmao
Armchair-Attorney@reddit
I’ve been watching this case for a couple years. With interest, it’s over $130M. The Texas Supreme Court will rule on it any day now. Wild times ahead!
CrashingTiger@reddit
I could have sworn i read an article about that last year saying the guy in the pickup was driving on a suspended license but now I never see that mentioned. Either way, that's a total crock of a lawsuit. Our courts are so screwed up.
DarkR4v3nsky@reddit
How the hell is it foreseeable that you can predict that someone will lose control and come across the highway and hit you while you're doing everything right! Does this mean Texas will blame you for the other driver being drunk and hitting you too and then causing a fatality?
Thepopethroway@reddit
well werner is a hecking corporation and the driver was a motherino
Thus, facts don't matter
Smegma-sniff@reddit
If an airplane falls out of the sky and crashes into your truck the driver of the truck is going to be held liable
Thepopethroway@reddit
he should have known it was a boeing plane. What did he expect? 500 billion dollars cash payment by 12 PM or execution by firing squad
thtamthrfckr@reddit
No one with a cdl wants them to lose that case, it literally says you’re a truck so it’s your fault for being on the road. A pickup crossed the median and hit the truck and it’s the trucks fault for injury? What the actual fuck, we’d all be liable for every little thing ever and no one would be able to drive a truck anywhere without getting sued constantly which’s is pretty much how it is now but not really.
kanodoggg@reddit
Bullshit case. They have to pay 130 million because of some idiot 4 wheelers that don't know how to drive in snow.
Junior-Credit2685@reddit
Keeping this article to show my dispatcher when I don’t feel like driving on ice! Thanks!
Myterryfolds@reddit
That is the most ridiculous lawsuit I’ve ever read. How could that possibly be at fault for Werner?
steveoriley@reddit
The money from the lawsuit was already set aside by accounting a few years ago, if they do lose the appeal it doesn’t impact their financials moving forward
legendarygarlicfarm@reddit (OP)
They're cutting costs by firing anyone they can, because they don't have to report those as layoffs, which would tank their stock
Fun_Push_2835@reddit
They already did reported layoffs last week, also layoff announcements rarely tank stocks. “Shareholder value” or some BS
Thefockewulf@reddit
I think alot of companies are going through this cause of the economy. Work has slowed down a lot here and we just lost our overtime.
Flashy_Broccoli4927@reddit
They have a $130 million dollar lawsuit right now against them theyre probably going to lose
ManagerSilver1592@reddit
Always remember. Ur company does not care about u. They will always do what is in their best interest, not urs
Linfords_lunchbox@reddit
That's why I don't feel guilty about idling the truck or PCing 20mi away (and back) on a 34.
ManagerSilver1592@reddit
I used to put a shoe on the accelerator when I slept because my company had auto idle off, and they refused to get me a generator, or wtver they are called, I can't remember.
Montreal4life@reddit
APU
throw__awy@reddit
Auxiliary Power Unit
ManagerSilver1592@reddit
Ty. I could not think of it, lol.
Defiant_Network_3069@reddit
RUN AWAY NOW. They are showing the first signs of Bankruptcy
Clay_Allison_44@reddit
Yeah, and right now it's going to be hard to get acquired.
Defiant_Network_3069@reddit
The Latest Addition to Knight/Swift/U.S.Express and now Werner.
Clay_Allison_44@reddit
They should just call the new company Cthulhu.
Catch_ME@reddit
Removing 401k contributions is a type of pay cut.
Defiant_Network_3069@reddit
It's the first sign of a failing business. That's why I said RUN
Catch_ME@reddit
Yep. In full agreement.
If you get your pay cut for any reason, you need to start looking
ATWAR68@reddit
Get Ready For Them & Other Trucking Companies, To Tell You Absolutely No Idling This Summer. And Advise You To Go Hang Out Inside Of Truck Stops, Or Go Sit Under A Shady Tree, Or Some Other Shitty Idea unless You Wanna Be Terminated.
NuttNDButt@reddit
lol literally no other industry expects this much out of people. My time in the fucking Marine Corps was more humane and fair than trucking. As i like to point out, what office employee is expected to clock out at 5:00pm and return to work at 3:00am? crickets
allplay@reddit
Man, I left oilfield and trucking is much nicer. Having 8 hours between shifts is also a blessing.
NuttNDButt@reddit
Yeah, i can see that perspective. I would have to assume you were making significantly more money on the oilfield though. Hard/ball-busting work is only good if the pay matches the effort and sacrifices. If not, it’s just the willingness to be extorted.
Thepopethroway@reddit
Oilfield pay hasn't gone up since 2010. They just work insane hours to compensate and consider it 'fair' because of overtime.
The only jobs paying what you're worth now are Unions and Unions alone.
Outlaw11091@reddit
That's why I got out.
The expectation is 70hrs/week when you're not paid by the hour.
And then your dispatcher will have the fucking GALL to tell you you're not a man if you're at anything below that (literally happened to me when I worked for Marten).
I drive a forklift for 50 hrs/week now and make bigger paychecks than I did driving for Werner last year, because 10 hrs/week is paid out at $44/hr. If I could pull 70 hrs, I'd be making well over $2k/week.
ATWAR68@reddit
Exactly 💯
redditsuckz99@reddit
So it begins.....
Totallycomputername@reddit
Thats one of the biggest FU you can get as an employee. Leave while you can, its only going to get worse.
Thepopethroway@reddit
I'm guessing the entire point of this was to make those higher paid experienced drivers quit so they can be replaced by cheap rookies.
Cross-Country@reddit
Don’t just leave. Wreck every piece of their equipment you can get your collective hands on, then leave. If they’re gonna be that childish and selfish, give them their own medicine right back. “I’m okay, so everyone else is okay” is an unacceptable mentality for people in charge to have. It needs to cost them.
CicadaEE01@reddit
Werner driver here. They have critical events for lane departures now. They say it's a glitch but it looks like they may try to weed out drivers
20TacoMa13@reddit
That kept popping in in my training and I asked my trainer about it and he wasn't sure what it meant, he thought I wasn't using my turn signals.
Icy-Consequence-3702@reddit
How much does the CEO get paid?
jim_jones1931@reddit
He's suffering too, heard all officers where applying for SNAP benefits.
Spot_Powerful@reddit
It’s really shitty. I’m part of the office staff and it sucks. I hate either not being allowed to answer the drivers’ questions or having to tell them I don’t know because I’m at fear of losing my job. We all got told that we need to go to war for Werner. And this was right before our annual reviews so we know there are no raises coming for anyone. We were told the only people who are not at risk of getting fired are drivers and mechanics. We were told CEO and all executives took pay cuts, but I don’t believe it.
Trying to find a new job for myself. And I feel awful about that too. And awful for a lot of our drivers.
bezm12@reddit
CEO got a raise. They lied to you. It's a publicly traded company, all of their financials are listed right there in their SEC filings, including Derek's pay. He got a raise this year, and last, and the year before that, every year.
Spot_Powerful@reddit
I have never looked before, my fault for being ignorant before. I’m no longer ignorant and I never believed they took a pay cut. I know they are screwing with our drivers and low office people.
legendarygarlicfarm@reddit (OP)
Is 401K match gone for you too?
Spot_Powerful@reddit
Yes.
Purgieeeee@reddit
ofc not the office jockeys are never treated the same as drivers
HowlingWolven@reddit
Well, time to jump ship.
MiguelSTG@reddit
Even if you only have 2 months experience, any decent company would understand why you are leaving Warner with this announcement.
Thepopethroway@reddit
Werner:
DAbabster@reddit
My company’s cost cutting entailed limiting our truck and trailer washed (outside of trailer) to once every 90 days. I’d rather them do that then take away from my 401k match.
Sufficient_Tooth_949@reddit
Someone probably already mentioned but I didn't see it....
It used to be 1 paid truck wash a month and now it's 1 paid truck wash every 90 days.....
Now that's some serious penny pinching, so you know their hurting bad
Ccracked@reddit
A few people to let know grievances.
mushroomtip702@reddit
There's nothing more permanent than something that was supposed to be temporary
Row30@reddit
Trying to stay in business
Own_Clerk4772@reddit
Holy shit. I had no idea this was legitimately a thing. This is an absolute betrayal. I mean, I cannot believe that they actually suspended the 401 k.
robexib@reddit
You can rollover your 401k to an appropriate IRA and set your contributions to the 401k to 0% without being taxed for it, which I very much recommend doing. You'd get fewer fees and better growth in an IRA, anyway.
EscapeWestern9057@reddit
They sound like they're going under fast
bapeach-@reddit
Cutting costs during economic hard times is generally done first before layoffs
Agreeable-Cat8077@reddit
too busy paying idiots to run dollar store accounts just to fuck up and cost them millions
WeDemAgs@reddit
Insane. They told me at orientation not even a year ago that Werner was probably one of the healthiest megas financially. That they didn’t use debt to buy their trucks, and probably a bunch of other lies.
ScaredPerformance733@reddit
Werner about to get bought out
Disney-Plus_baby@reddit
Guys I am just about to start trucking school smh!
The_one_who_SAABs@reddit
They just flipped off their entire workforce. I'm sure that won't backfire
Adorable-Display-960@reddit
They over saturated they hire to many drivers
Distinct_Self5679@reddit
Quit now
Leaf-Stars@reddit
Meanwhile the board of directors gave themselves a bonus for saving the company so much money.
Suspicious-Hold2138@reddit
shame on you werner drive you’re own trucks bet the managers don’t get 401 cut and if thay do you all need to park the trucks let the owner drive em
SafariJim@reddit
There were significant layoffs in the corporate side from what I heard
Spot_Powerful@reddit
Very significant layoffs. We were all warned that all office positions can be “laid off” at any time. Even those in “driver facing departments”
liswat@reddit
I'm waiting for this at my job.
Twisty12223@reddit
I don't like Werner but I worked in homebuilding when the market crashed last time. 401k matching and other stuff was suspended. The company made it through, reinstated everything, and is still going today. Doing what they did lessened the lay offs. Just sayin. Trucking is first in and first out when things go bad.
santanzchild@reddit
You can't speak sense here. Everything is about the evil corporations and the literally Hitlers running them.
ManagerSilver1592@reddit
My problem is that these companies make 100s of millions, if not billions. Then they decide to hurt the people who actually make them money and are already underpayed to begin with.This is unacceptable to me. Most of these companies are already stealing from their drivers every day by taking advantage of useless and unfair labor laws that only pertain to our industry in particular. Im willing to bet warner is one of them. I know my company steals from me every day since I get PPM and not hourly, and they take advantage of that. These companies deserve no excuses.
I apologize if I come off as angry. But this industry is in the state it's in because of people not standing up for themselves. We need unions. But the trucking demographic will never allow it. Too many bigoted, racist and ignorant people drive trucks, sadly.
Twisty12223@reddit
Nah it's good to have these discussions. No apologies needed:)
Montreal4life@reddit
we're on the earth right now to try our best, we gotta work with what we've got, we can do this, fellow worker!
ManagerSilver1592@reddit
I wonder if the executive bonuses were cut down to save costs?
tk421yrntuaturpost@reddit
Maybe, maybe not, but I think that’s true anywhere you go. Make sure you’re making the right decision for yourself regardless of what management does.
queentracy62@reddit
Husb works for Werner. He saw something abt higher ups getting some cuts but I’m not positive. I told him yesterday to start looking again. He’s been trying to leave for 2 yrs but it’s difficult bc of where we live. I lowered the 401k contribution and I’m looking to see where else that money could go and do better.
Twisty12223@reddit
I don't know and I am not sticking up for them. Just adding to the discussion. I know bonuses were also suspended for management at the company I was at, along with salary reductions. I was an accountant so was part of all the cost cutting decisions. It's easy to read an inflammatory headline and just start assuming.
stayzero@reddit
That’s not a good sign for a company as big as Werner. I wonder what shape they’re really in overall and if they’re able to weather a recession.
bigthunder_81@reddit
I used to work for Werner as an OTR Team driver. They tried to get me to deliver loads during my home time with the truck being in Atlanta and me living in East Tennessee.
They picked co-drivers that were more than 100 miles from me.
They also not only split the pay but also the miles. It didn’t matter if I drove more than my co-driver or if he drove more. If your co-driver if being punished for some reason, so are you.
There is a possibility of you having bad information on drop yards, terminals that were turned into drop yards.
The trip planners are not former truckers. There is a big chance you will be sent down a route that will have a major storm and they will bitch and moan about you using your own judgment to find a better route that will not send you through a storm. AND you may get your load pick up cancelled when you are halfway there because of factors that the trip planners did not think about(such as lane closures, traffic jams, or construction delays). The response will always be “why didn’t you leave earlier?”.
SafariJim@reddit
It's not true, buddy of mine works for werner and he just checked with their payroll.
legendarygarlicfarm@reddit (OP)
“As part of our previously communicated $40 million cost savings initiative for 2025, Werner is taking intentional steps to streamline operations and position the company for long-term growth,” the company said in a statement released to FreightWaves in response to a request for comment. “This includes difficult but necessary organizational changes. We remain committed to supporting our people through this transition and maintaining operational strength for our customers.”
SafariJim@reddit
Yeah maybe he's a dumbass and asked the wrong person
JakeJascob@reddit
Supposedly, they lost ~$10 million last quarter so thats probably why. They made ~$6M in Q1 last year. They bring in ~$700M-$800M each quarter.
https://www.ttnews.com/articles/werner-earnings-q1-2025
Id say its hard to tell if this is corprate greed or just a hard business decision for the moment. I mean having a quarter to quarter rate of about -170% is pretty bad.
MotherMushroom2908@reddit
Warner always sucked!
justdan76@reddit
Oh you wanted to retire someday? How about you die behind the wheel instead
Suspicious-Hold2138@reddit
go back to horse drawn fright
Suspicious-Hold2138@reddit
no investment in workers future sorry no investment in companies future
tarantulapart2@reddit
Working there was the worst decision I ever made next to getting a credit card when I was 18
dank_tre@reddit
How else are they going to pay their CEO Derek J. Leathers $5,446,752?!
Question is, how many of these fools do we have to tar & feather to teach them not to come after truckers?
arterialturns@reddit
They would immediately receive my notice.
Rmabe4@reddit
I think more companies will follow
SuperMover69@reddit
Before this came out the company I work for suspended their 401k match. It seems alot are doing it based on the economy.
OrangeYoshiDude@reddit
I just took a job as an hvac tech, likely going to make 20k+ less a year starting off. Stuff like this makes me know it will be worth it
Primedirector3@reddit
Guarantee the C-suite executives still get their bonuses. And no pay cuts.
InvestigatorBroad114@reddit
Jump ship while you can that’s insane
Chris018571@reddit
Ooof I start werner this Monday in laredo lmao 🤣
the_sphincter@reddit
The fat lady is turning up the band.
ChoneFiggins4Lyfe@reddit
If I’m a driver there, I’d make sure I got money saved up to get home in an emergency.
Ohnoeman@reddit
Damn. And I was thinking of going with them soon.
ChoneFiggins4Lyfe@reddit
Test
jerefromga@reddit
Why on earth would anyone want to work there to begin with?
IgnoringHisAge@reddit
I mean, they’ve been called “The Big Blue Screw” since way before I started driving. This sounds like just another turn of the screwdriver.
But seriously, folks, this sucks. I would never recommend working for Werner, even just to get your schooling and license. Now I can’t even recommend if even if they have a location down the street and have a home daily local gig they’re dangling in front of your face.
They’re in trouble, financially, and if this is something they’re going to do to try to right the ship, everything else is on the chopping block, too.
Ghibli-overload@reddit
Wow what a great day for me to be a werner employee 😑
JustinTime4242@reddit
So who do s going to come in and scoop up the corpse? Swift? Schneider? Prime?
legendarygarlicfarm@reddit (OP)
Crete. They're debt free and have a shit load of cash on hand. They'll win and grow in every downturn
StarMaterial1496@reddit
Chickenshit...
Questionoid@reddit
Yes! Race to the friggin bottom and we have a temporary frontrunner. Don’t worry Amazon ain’t going to be left behind.
D3V1L5_4DV0C4T3@reddit
Any employee using the 401k match should leave and find another emoyer! A company who already under pays truck drivers shouldn't save money like that!
Rikishi6six9nine@reddit
Just fold up shop. Can't afford to compensate drivers properly GTFO.
legendarygarlicfarm@reddit (OP)
Werner has never compensated drivers properly
acd2002@reddit
Welp, thankfully I jumped ship in January!
YellowOne5358@reddit
dog shit company anyways anyone working here is dumb or its their last choice
RipIt1021@reddit
Yep, been thinking about jumping ship. This might be the sign to do it sooner rather than later.
duhrun@reddit
Ouch, the match is when the big money rolls in so no big money.
Waisted-Desert@reddit
When you institutionalize waste into your standard operating procedures when the economy is good, you only hurt yourself when the economy is bad. Rather than taking the time to identify where the waste is, the knee jerk reaction is to make the easy cuts to spending.
MikeBinfinity@reddit
That 401k match is never coming back. I'd jump ship if I worked at Werner.