What's a shop that you can never see shutting down?
Posted by No_Potato_4341@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 567 comments
Obviously a lot of shops in this country have been shutting down in this country due to the habit of the way we shop now (online shopping.) But what's one that you can never see shutting down? Firstly, I think Primark will never shut down tbh. They're a cheap clothes shop to buy from which ultimately results in a lot of people buying from them. It also seems they're still opening branches as well.
proproctologist@reddit
I’ve never seen an off-licence close down, which is odd because every third store in my area is an off-licence and another opens each year
platebandit@reddit
Somehow had a bargain booze shut down where I lived.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
You're definitely right about then opening very frequently and expanding really fast. But I have actually seen a couple that have actually closed down before. One was in Worksop and one was in Hucknall.
bannanawaffle13@reddit
Honestly any shop where you can't wait a day or two to buy it online, stuff like Halfords, Wilco's, Screwfix, any food shop, I think no matter how big online shopping gets your not going to be able to replace those stores you just need to bob into for something.
Whithorsematt@reddit
Halfords share price 30% and profits 50% of pre covid times though.
CapableSong6874@reddit
Boots, they pay very little tax being registered in Switzerland
blackcurrantcat@reddit
Pet shops. I don’t see any other way to buy a hamster than to go in a shop, choose one, put him in a box and carry him home. Door to door hamster salesman doesn’t seem to have a lot of longevity, and it’s not very ethical for Evri to hide a hamster behind a wheelie bin for the owner to find when they get home from work in 6 hours’ time.
louisejanecreations@reddit
You can order exotic pets online so I’m sure you can order others. I would worry they wouldn’t make it safely though.
blackcurrantcat@reddit
Yeah I saw that this week, funnily enough. It seems “reptile courier” is a real thing. I can’t see people paying £60+ though to courier a £5 hamster to their house.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Yeah that's true. I can see Pets at Home staying open for a while.
I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS@reddit
When runaway climate change has flooded all low-lying areas, and nuclear war has led to the collapse of society and reversion to a tribal hunter-gatherer style of living, there will still be branches of Holland & Barrett selling not-quite-sure-what to not-quite-sure-whom.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Yeah I can't see Holland & Barrett shutting down anytime soon. I think they've even opened quite a few new branches recently.
seefroo@reddit
In Glasgow they moved their city centre location from a pokey little shop in the Buchanan Galleries shopping centre to the corner of Buchanan and Sauchihall Streets. Those are possibly the two busiest shopping streets in Glasgow (Argyll Street is maybe busier than Sauchihall Street now though) and I’d wager good money that it’s got the most expensive rental costs per square foot or however they calculate it. It is of course always busy, somehow.
grmacp@reddit
Weirdly tho they announced the Inverness one was closing today
NervousSheepherder44@reddit
Before veganism became super mainstream in the late 2010s I used to go to town just for Holland and Barrett 😭😂
ZebraCrosser@reddit
God, yeah. When in the UK I'm still likely to enter a Holland and Barrett when I see one and at least buy a bar of Vego as a habit. It used to be one of the few places you could reliably get some quick vegan snacks when I visited the UK in the noughties. Ate so many flapjacks...
I'm not sure if their vegan offerings have gone down or everywhere else has improved, but the last five or so years I've been less impressed with what's on offer. Still better than what I find in the Dutch ones, though. Never even seen a fridge in any of those.
Ranger_1302@reddit
Ooh, were you a vegan maverick?
exitstrats@reddit
They sell a lot of body and haircare from brands which have a more "natural/green/sustainable" image. So shampoos, Skincare, toothpaste, period products, deodorant, etc. And then there's the food and supplements junk-- I mean products.
Tbf they do some good herbal tea offerings.
LochNessMother@reddit
I’m convinced they are a complex money laundering front
Sithfish@reddit
And a barbers.
Rainbvw@reddit
To this day I genuinely don't know what Holland & Barrett actually sell.
DasharrEandall@reddit
Hollands and Barretts.
Simbooptendo@reddit
They sound like guns or sweets
mrattapuss@reddit
Assorted gunks, goos, powders, and jars of honey which cost £87
purpleplums901@reddit
Before everyone and their dog started to go to the gym for their bi weekly Snapchat pic, they were the only place even remotely local to me that sold protein powder and other supplements. Also stuff like cod liver oil, iron supplements, evening primrose oil. I actually imagine they’re doing better these days as that used to be just old people and like a small fringe of what we called health nuts. Now looking after your health is mainstream I bet they’re having the last laugh
shadowplaywaiting@reddit
Vitamins, minerals and herbal preparations. Be warned the employees act like they’ve got a medical degree sometimes (it’s unfounded, they know nothing).
folklovermore_@reddit
I think the increased popularity of supplements is going to keep them in business for a while yet. Especially as they're often the only place on the high street where you can get slightly more unusual things of that nature.
shadowplaywaiting@reddit
I won’t go in there since they gave me the third degree. I wanted some magnesium glycinate. They were out of stock. Wanted me to get oxide, because there’s ’no difference’. Didn’t feel like saying there’s no way in hell I’m taking a known laxative, and glycinate is completely different… they thought I was dumb lol.
MrFeatherstonehaugh@reddit
Magic beans to imbeciles?
Plodo99@reddit
Health is wealth
Finbarr82@reddit
Any company can be bought by venture capitalists and driven into the ground.
If Wilko and Poundland can go pop then it can happen to anyone
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Poundland aren't out of business yet though
dominicgrimes@reddit
they will be if Hilco get their hands on them
GuyOnTheInterweb@reddit
Tesco - they seem to be doing much less messing about like Sainsbury's or Morrisons, and seem to resist the Aldi pressure.
Chrolan1988@reddit
Different point but related, Tesco seem to be pushing the club card savings way harder than nectar and other memberships at the moment.
Most baskets / trollies in Tesco are now around 30% cheaper if you are a club card member…
I think we need to be wary of this as I am expecting in the medium to longer term future, these club card schemes we start to introduce a monthly subscription fee…
Now most people we pay as if they are saving £20-30 per weekly shop it seems warranted but the none member prices are heavily inflated.
Watch out for this as it’s coming…!
jimicus@reddit
You've misunderstood what the clubcard scheme is about.
Firstly, those "discounts" aren't discounts at all. The regular price is stupidly expensive; the "discount" price is actually what they expect you to pay. In short, it's a way to force everyone to use clubcards.
Secondly, it's well established that the more you know about someone, the more accurately you can advertise to them. And the more accurately you can advertise to them, the more likely they are to buy something. No point in trying to persuade a cat owner to buy dog food, is there?
The Clubcard is the real life equivalent of all the online analytics that has you clicking "Accept Cookies" on every website - a way to get more and more information out of their customers and thus sell to them more effectively.
sideone@reddit
I'm going to see adverts regardless, I may as well see relevant ones.
DasharrEandall@reddit
Which will entice you to buy more.
wildOldcheesecake@reddit
You have self autonomy don’t you? Who is forcing you to buy the advertised product? Blink twice if you need help
DasharrEandall@reddit
It's funny to me that even though advertising definitively works, nobody ever admits that advertising works on them. It's always other people. It's half the trick of advertising. One half is the subtle manipulation, the other half is nobody ever wanting to admit that they can be manipulated. It's only those mind-controlled zombie other people.
wildOldcheesecake@reddit
Oh I’ll be the first to admit that it does. Even simple packaging changes or store layout changes works on me.
sideone@reddit
OK, but luckily I can make the decision on whether or not to buy something.
Ok-Salary3550@reddit
No you see I am a mindless consumer and any time I see an advert for a product I automatically buy it. Despite this, for some reason, I object to seeing adverts for products that people think I might like, and instead want to see random shite I don't.
BigBlueMountainStar@reddit
Yes, but instead of being random, they’re targeted based on knowing your personal information in an attempt to part you from your money.
sideone@reddit
Sure, but I decide whether or not to purchase something.
HumanRole9407@reddit
You think they wont sell your data to anyone that would buy?
sideone@reddit
BigBlueMountainStar@reddit
Haha, copy paste
wildOldcheesecake@reddit
That was the point you doughnut
FlyMyPretty@reddit
They're all trying to part you from your money. Occasionally the ads are useful and tell me about something I might want.
Unwanted-Opinions685@reddit
I listening to a radio ad the other day for their mobile deals. You paid more for less data than what I’m paying now yet they claimed you were saving £48. Not sure of that was over the two year contract or the month though.
Ok-Salary3550@reddit
It may shock you to find out that businesses sometimes offer different prices at different times for the same products, and different prices to what other businesses charge for similar products.
Unwanted-Opinions685@reddit
Well I never you learn something new everyday 🙄. I was just giving an example of why their clubcard prices aren’t really a bargain if you are prepared to shop around.
Erewash@reddit
They also sell the data to others. Have you ever noticed that political party door knockers don’t do every house on a street? They openly talked about using that data last election. Stilton purchases bring Tories knocking if you’re in a target seat. Stupid example but they use the purchasing data to profile people worth talking to. And Tesco just sells it happily.
StardustOasis@reddit
Then why are Clubcard prices the same discount prices that every other supermarket offers?
Betelgeaux@reddit
The joke is on them, I use a club card but I have no idea where it came from. I don't get letters from Tesco but I still get the "discount". Some poor guy will get club card offers for the shit I buy!
CareerMilk@reddit
Honestly, your shopping habits and how you react to price changes is probably the more important data. Like I know they send us coupons via the app, but I never know what they are until I actually go to check out.
Random_Guy_47@reddit
... people actually click accept cookies?
I reject them on everything.
ApexSpanker@reddit
Not only that but if you ever pay with card when using your clubcard they get linked, so any purchases on that card even without the clubcard are attributed to your "profile". I was involved in some work around this for boots, it's interesting stuff but scary how accurately they can predict your habits.
mordhoshogh@reddit
Boots advantage card data has a pretty good hit rate of predicting ovarian cancer.
knight-under-stars@reddit
It's already here and is called Clubcard Plus
https://www.tesco.com/clubcard/clubcard-plus
Once this runs for a few years, Clubcard Plus will shift to be the entry level tier and Clubcard Platinum (or some other name) will be the next level up.
It's a tier pricing behaviour we see over and over.
rosstoferwho@reddit
Pretty sure this was in the recent series of black mirror
Snoo-84389@reddit
But the first month is FREE yay! 🎉🥳🎉
🤦♂️
acidteddy@reddit
So it’s literally like that first episode of the newest series of Black Mirror
knight-under-stars@reddit
I knew I had seen it prominently featured somewhere recently but could not put my finger on it. Yes, exactly like that.
UnknownStrobes@reddit
So max £12 net off a month and you have to spend £200 on the included categories, in store
knight-under-stars@reddit
It's a maximum of £32 off a month as you can use it twice and the cap is £20 each time.
UnknownStrobes@reddit
Oh the example seemed unclear states £240 basket was only £20 discount (thought it means total basket between 2 shops)
knight-under-stars@reddit
In their defence, it's not unclear, it states for each of the two shops, they even bold it.
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/zone/clubcard-plus-terms-and-conditions
EVERYTHINGGOESINCAPS@reddit
TBF id sign up to this if it also applied to online groceries, but I'd never do a big shop in store now because of the convenience
knight-under-stars@reddit
If it was online, I would bite their hand off. Our weekly shop is over £250 a week, so we would easily make the money back.
But among other reasons, because our weekly shop is over £250 there is no way in hell I'm doing my shopping in store.
anoamas321@reddit
i use it becuase it safes me money, but i don't like the concept of tier pricing
Chrolan1988@reddit
I had no idea this existed!! We are over halfway already!
knight-under-stars@reddit
It's especially insidious as the discount you get as part of Clubcard Plus is only available in store which means you are far more likely spend more than you would have in an online shop.
Zanki@reddit
Last time I went into Tesco the app was down and no one could access it. I have my card saved to Google pay so it went through. I got a bunch of random points from scanning for other people when they realised mine worked, with the blessing of a stressed employee who couldn't do anything to help. I explained how to add the card to their Google wallet so I'm guessing a ton of people did that when the app came back online.
That was really bad, there's no backup system if the app goes down. People have to pay full price or leave their stuff behind.
I also won't be surprised if Tesco go this route, but I can also see them collapsing hard if everyone decides it's ridiculous and go shop elsewhere. It would be suicide to do that right now.
Willy-Sshakes@reddit
Also my partner got this Tesco thing where you get 10% off 2 shops a month and that helps with the club card as well.
TW1103@reddit
I read a report the other day that Tesco's clubcard prices are seriously fucking up the economy projections. I feel like the government have to step in and do something about it
CareerMilk@reddit
Like tell the statistician to do a better job?
Aettyr@reddit
It’s absolutely insane that this isn’t already being legislated against. It’s market manipulation at its finest, raising the price and then “discounting” it to make it appear cheaper. Why is this legal? It’s anti consumer by its very nature. The longer we let this happen the worse this will get
alltheparentssuck@reddit
Asda do the same with rollback.
tomval2k@reddit
But you don't need to be a member to get the rollback prices. Although Asda do have their own data gathering scheme as do all the other supermarkets.
Thick_Cheesecake_393@reddit
The government can't even support the NHS dispite taking away OAPs winter fuel allowance or able to stop shitty inflatable boats from coming to our shores. This issue is best left alone or they might accidently give their CEO a nice tax payer bonus like when the banks went down the pipes
JayenIsAwesome@reddit
I think people frame this incorrectly, an should call it out how it actually is.
People aren't "saving £20-30" with a clubcard. They are forced to hand over their personal data to avoid exploitative prices. Tesco's standard prices where I live are more expensive than Waitrose's.
With the clubcard, you are getting the same price as Sainsbury's, but at the cost of also giving Tesco all your valuable shopping data on top of it.
Ok-Salary3550@reddit
Oh no, not my shopping data! That has so much value to me!
GavinF83@reddit
Are non clubcard holders paying a premium or are clubcard holders getting a discount? I shop in multiple supermarkets and I don’t really find the Tesco base price to be any more expensive than say Sainsbury’s.
The assumption seems to be that if the clubcard discounts were scrapped then everyone would get their shopping cheaper but that’s almost certainly not the case. It just means everyone will pay the full price.
Tesco via various means make money from people taking out a clubcard. Therefore to encourage people to take it out they offer subscribers a discount. Personally I’m happy to subscribe to such an offer and hand over some of my data in return for a discount. If you’re not and would rather not follow such a scheme that’s your choice but expect to pay full price. However people shouldn’t be so deluded to think that if they complain enough and get it scrapped they’ll save money. They won’t, they’ll just spoil it for others as typically happens with such issues.
Whether it’s worth taking out the monthly subscription option will depend on the individual and it’s down to them to work out any potential savings.
BobbieMcFee@reddit
They're happy to be paid the lower price. In the end, today are two answers that come to the same thing.
GavinF83@reddit
I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make. Without the clubcard discount people won’t be paying the lower price across the board.
I was curious about my original question so I jumped on Tesco and Sainsburys websites to compare. I looked up 1kg chicken thighs to start with, same price on both. I then looked up Bisto gravy, same price on both.
I then looked up a packet of Cadburys buttons which produced an interesting result. The ordinary price on both is £1.75. However with a clubcard you can get them for £1.50. It’s the same story with the dairy milk buttons dessert which was next to it on the search results which has a standard price of £1.15 on both, except with a clubcard you pay 80p.
So despite what people are saying about Tesco inflating their prices it seems after some quick research the standard prices are identical or at least comparable to Sainsbury’s and owning a clubcard does offer you a discount over the standard price.
Therefore I stand by what I said, eliminating the clubcard won’t save people money. If you don’t want a clubcard then that’s your choice but don’t complain about missing out on discounts as a result or delude yourself into believing you’d receive the discount if the scheme didn’t exist. You won’t.
PharahSupporter@reddit
Then don't shop at Tesco. Not complicated.
El_Scot@reddit
Tesco do already offer a subscription. £8/month for 2x 10% off vouchers per month.
Chrolan1988@reddit
I didn’t know that, so as long as you spend more than £80 across 2 shops in a month you are making money so to speak
El_Scot@reddit
Yes, but it doesn't cover everything (alcohol is excluded, and I think anything on offer already is).
alltheparentssuck@reddit
If you are with tesco mobile you also get double data.
jsteveho@reddit
I saw someone report the other day that Tesco’s inflation of pricing to allow for Clubcard pricing has actually affected official inflation figures due to the size of its market share!
VixenRoss@reddit
Isn’t this messing with the figures for inflation? Do the Bank of England take into consideration club card prices when working out if the cost of living has gone down/up?
Ciato78@reddit
I refuse to shop in Tesco for this very reason. I don’t want your nonsense club card so you can track my spending habits.
EstablishmentRoyal75@reddit
Clubcard is a scam though because the original prices are vastly that much more than other stores.
denjin@reddit
Because they've arbitrarily raised the base price to give you the perception of a discount.
TheLittleGoat@reddit
I feel like removing the free tier would be shooting themselves in the foot. They don’t do it for fun or (just) for customer loyalty, they do it because it gives them a lot more data about their customers which they can then use to inform their business model. That data will be immensely valuable, and cutting that down would be a poor decision I think.
Choice-Standard-6350@reddit
I live in a city. I will just never shop in Tesco again.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
I agree but tbh, I can't see any of the supermarket type shops fully shutting down especially since they're opening a lot of corner shops as well now.
highlandcow75@reddit
Morrisons are closing down a lot of their Daily stores!
PatriciaMorticia@reddit
They're also shutting down a lot of the cafes in their supermarkets, they've shut the one my local shop and the pensioners are up in arms about it.
wildOldcheesecake@reddit
Tbf, lots of supermarkets closed their cafes. None run their own near me. Instead there’s a costa. In our local, we have a costa and a greggs inside the Tesco
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
They are but they're also opening a lot too. I know of a few that have just recently opened l.
BastCity@reddit
ASDA is in serious financial trouble since those brothers riddled it with debt. If I was to bet any one of the big supermarket chains was to go under I'd put my money there.
the_uk_hotman@reddit
Wasn't their fault entirely but Walmart took it over and ran it into the ground even further. They have sold a majority to some Chinese company and you all know that's not going to work. I'd never shop in there again after working for them and knowing how badly its ran.
Chrolan1988@reddit
When they introduce their subscription models to access things like club card prices they will only become more sustainable for the future.
It is coming.. watch out for it, £4.99 a month to have a club card which only prevents you from paying over inflated prices…
DaveBeBad@reddit
Clubcard plus has been a thing for years. Pay a monthly amount and get 2x 10% discounts of your shopping per month…
alltheparentssuck@reddit
Plus double data if you have tesco mobile.
albinoloverats@reddit
Sounds a bit like Costco
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Costco is another one I can't see shutting down anytime soon tbf.
UniqueEnigma121@reddit
Waitrose & M&S aren’t going anywhere either.
Wonderful_Welder9660@reddit
Although M&S did quit Woolwich a few years ago which surprised me.
UniqueEnigma121@reddit
I’m thinking more of their food halls. I appreciate some large stores have closed, which is a real shame. For example, I’m moving to Bournemouth & the big one has gone there. But there are multiple food courts though the city & surrounding areas.
Wonderful_Welder9660@reddit
Yes, I think you're right. The food hall up the road is always busy.
yourefunny@reddit
M and S have had wobbles over the years. But as long as they keep on their toes I don't see them going anywhere either. Just much better quality!
sc00022@reddit
Tesco are much much bigger than most people realise. They have 28% market share of grocery (just the Tesco branded stores); the next biggest retailer has 15%. They own One Stop convenience stores and MFG petrol garages. They own the Booker Group which supplies Londis, Premier and Budgens stores and also has a catering business and a wine and spirits business that supply restaurants, pubs, bars, hotels etc. They’re also a global business. They’re basically every food and drink company’s biggest account in the UK.
If Tesco collapsed we’d be fucked.
ThrillGuy1@reddit
Maybe controversial opinion but if Greggs closes down I wouldn't even notice or miss it.
Norman_debris@reddit
Same. People act like Greggs invented the sausage roll. I'd miss it as much as I'd miss Costa.
Spottyjamie@reddit
Tesco have closed two superstores near me
thetoastmonster@reddit
Yeah we used to have 'Metro' store in town, and a big 'Extra' one on the outskirts. I used to do my shopping in the Metro because I don't have a car to drive to the Extra. They closed it, and opened an Express nearby. I can't do a weekly shop at an Express!
Plodo99@reddit
Funny they’re the one supermarket I can’t stand having to go to
RikB666@reddit
Funeral directors.
PopperDilly@reddit
Absolutely. There's always business in death
poke_pants@reddit
As the internet generation grows older it could be that physical 'shops' are no longer required.
The business itself will always be needed, but it's absolutely not essential for them to need a high street shop.
Key_Milk_9222@reddit
How would that work? Amazon sends you an embalming kit?
poke_pants@reddit
You don't need a shop front to arrange all that.
The businesses will obviously survive forever, but the post is about "shops".
mcginge3@reddit
I think due to the nature of needing a funeral directors, I don’t think the physical branches would die out completely. While some people would rather click a few buttons and have everything sorted while grieving, a lot would rather have someone go through all the options and discuss every little detail in case they forget anything.
AnOriginalId@reddit
Until the funeral, this is usually where you or your loved ones will be prepared for burial and kept. Prior to the funeral you can usually visit to see the body. We were invited to leave items in the coffin as well if we wanted.
This is at the co-op funeral directors (yes, it’s the same co-op as the overpriced supermarkets and banks) in-between Home Bargains and Peter Jones on our high street.
So I guess physical funeral directors will always be a thing as they need somewhere to keep the bodies until the funeral.
Moreghostthanperson@reddit
I think there’s something to be said for the face to face aspect when it comes to planning a loved ones funeral. They can offer sympathy and comfort and an overall personalised experience in a way booking a funeral online wouldn’t.
That said, I can’t see why both options can’t exist as some people may prefer the less hassle online approach even if it does seem a little cold.
poke_pants@reddit
Weirdly, it's a bit like buying a car. Some people hate the idea of dealing with a salesperson in a dealership so are happy to order blind online, but some people thrive on that.
rainz_gainz@reddit
Never thought of a funeral directors being a high street shop but I suppose it is.
"Just popping to the funeral directors, you need anything?"
Moreghostthanperson@reddit
“Bring me back a coffin catalogue, I fancy a browse of this years trends”
Junior-Command3793@reddit
Cash convertors.There will always be crack heads who need to get a pittance for the builders tools they have pinched.
domixify@reddit
Supermarkets. My hubs says they're the UK equivalent of big pharma
finniruse@reddit
Warhammer - they seem to be resistant to all economic shops.
Expensive_Elephant_7@reddit
Initial business model was two birthdays and a Christmas to sell the plastic toy soldiers before they discovered booze and girls.... However turns out that those old customers have returned in the thirties many with much more disposable income, they need the shops to get the young gamers in and repeat the cycle
concretepigeon@reddit
They seem to have fairly good staying power but it’s a very niche offering and not a particularly diverse portfolio. It’s hardly beyond possibility that some new game sold by another retailer replaces Warhammer amongst their demographic.
DasharrEandall@reddit
Competitors don't have that store infrastructure that GW has built up over decades. Any competitor has to produce games that only get sold and played in general-purpose game stores and clubs, where they have to compete for attention (and compete against established games like GW's that lots of players are invested in (financially as well as time and effort)). That's a big deal with games like this, it's hard to get enough people buying into a game to get local scenes going, and in enough numbers to get it going and to stick around.
If GW does go down, it won't be because of a competitor. It'll be because of a wider economic picture meaning too few people have enough disposable income, or because 3D printing makes cheap bootlegs too easy, or because they get too greedy and drive away their playerbase with too-quick edition changes or shoddy rules.
concretepigeon@reddit
They have an advantage but it doesn’t mean they can’t possibly fall out of favour.
DasharrEandall@reddit
They got through the Age of Sigmar debacle and are doing better than ever. Every so often they do an edition change that basically forces their customers to re-buy their armies and books or GTFO, but enough players stick with them (or get replaced by new players - that store network is great outreach to bring in new youngsters). It's not entirely impossible that they'll do something that drives away enough of their playerbase to seriously damage their business, but it's unlikely.
Much-Fall-9515@reddit
Doubtful been around since the 80s and not even GW releasing a new product affected 40k, they will be fine
Harrry-Otter@reddit
They’ve hit on the perfect target market.
It’s a bit of a nerdy hobby. Nerds usually have a lot of disposable income since they’ve got good jobs. They tend to be quite obsessive about their hobbies. They’re less likely to spend big on other stuff.
WantsToDieBadly@reddit
Also and its maybe a stereotype nerds might not sayt go clubbing so have more income to spend on hobbies
NewCrashingRobot@reddit
Got back into mini painting during the pandemic - the Games Workshop and hobby stores around me (southeast of England) always seem to be struggling. They struggle on for a few years and then close down, only to pop up a few months later with different owners in a different unit in town.
therealdan0@reddit
Mate, Games Workshop is a FTSE100 company with a share price around £150. They are far from struggling
NewCrashingRobot@reddit
Yeah, the corporate company is booming, but the stores are not. The "Games Workshop" stores and other shops selling Games Workshop stock that you actually see on the street are struggling. This is due partly because Games Workshop views themselves as a manufacturer, not a retailer.
They say themselves
Source
Their business is booming because people buy more and more stuff online, and they have sold their IP rights cleverly to big video game franchises like Total War.
But their stores have always struggled. While there has been an up tick in in-store sales the last year or so, Games Workshop stores are closing all the time - with at least 8 closures reported in the 2023-2024 fiscal year. Source
OPs question was about which shops will last "forever". Games Workshops shops won't - they view themselves as a manufacturer and are making more and more money through online sales and selling their IP to Video Games companies, TV shows, etc. It is a matter of time - maybe a couple of decades - before most of their brick and mortar shops will disappear and everything will be done online.
Hoggatron@reddit
So that's a net gain for 22 stores.
Player_Panda@reddit
Having brick and mortar stores does help bring visibility to the hobby. Giving free demos to people helps new blood understand and make them more likely to get into the hobby. The stores might not be making bank but they aren't really there for that purpose. Kind of why they are usually small outlets.
NewCrashingRobot@reddit
I agree, and i like brick and mortar stores. But unfortunately, even in a year where sales at these stores are rising, GW still had a net loss of 8 shops.
This entire thread is about what "shops" will last the test of time. GW's brick and mortar stores won't. Their online store probably will.
Affectionate-Joke646@reddit
I read somewhere that Games Workshop is bigger than the UK fishing industry.
Orri@reddit
If I remember correctly I think if you plan to sell GW items you have to have an actual shop for people to use and play in. This ends up in a situation where people make a lot of their money online but have to keep a shop open so they can sell online.
Squarkage@reddit
They could easily be their own worst enemy. Constant prices rises could cause them to collapse by pricing themselves out of reach of young hobbyists.
ChoppingOnionsForYou@reddit
Like Maplin? I never thought they'd go, but then I realised I would go into the shop, but buy stuff online (and not the Maplin website).
fraggle200@reddit
£15 for a hdmi cable was the final straw for me with Maplin. Nipped in on my lunch as i was walking past, and saw the price, never went back as there was no point with price gouging like that.
15 mins later i happened to be in poundland and saw one for £2.
I get the whole thing about shielded, vacuum sealed cables for scart etc as you're struggling to preserve that analogue signal but hdmi is just digital to digital, if it complys with whatever hdmi standard you're using it for then the cheapest performs the same as the dearest imo.
ATSOAS87@reddit
There were a lot of shops flogging overly expensive HDMI cables when HD TVs first started to reach mass market.
They were all taking the piss.
el-destroya@reddit
This is of course assuming that the hdmi cable is made to the standard which they are often not, now sometimes that's alright if you only want video output or whatever but they still probably won't last that long.
Illustrious_Bus8440@reddit
Exactly, what ever was in maplin, especially electronic components, could be got on ebay for literally pennies, compared to their pounds
OliB150@reddit
For me Maplin was a “oh crap I really need this component now and can’t wait for it to be delivered”.
denjin@reddit
Except with GW you look at the website and 3D print your own models if you're invested enough.
Thendisnear17@reddit
People have been saying this since the 80s.
They are an expensive niche product and always will be.
Sithfish@reddit
I learned the other day they are in the FTSE 100.
Low-Confidence-1401@reddit
I can see games workshop eventually selling licences to print models. They need to work out a way they can continue to generate revenue when people can just create models on blender and print them out.
Doobalicious69@reddit
It's no surprise. Their plastic figures are insanely profitable; they cost peanuts to make. When you add on the fact that their main money printer (Warhammer) regularly has rules updates and new codices, the average Warhammer player has to invest to keep up, if they are playing competitively.
Bumpy2017@reddit
Really? I always got the impression they were one sneeze from bankruptcy
Kriegsmarine777@reddit
The company or individual retailers? Cos the company GW just hit the FTSE 100 this year, and seems to be going strength to strength.
Individual retailers is tougher though, official GW/Warhammer shops are probably mostly loss leaders to maintain a high street presence, but independent stores that stock their stuff seem to go boom and bust a lot. I think the issue there is lots of people think they can run a store, possibly just out of love for the hobby/community, only to find that running a shop is a lot more complicated (and expensive) than they think.
Tao626@reddit
To me, it seems like these shops moreso overestimate the market interest, especially when it comes to other games, because most of the independent mini shops generally aren't GW focused...Initially.
The life cycle for most of these shops generally goes like this: - They open with a focus on non-GW products, perhaps not even stocking them at all. They're 100% sure that people would like other non-GW games if they tried them, especially their favourite non-GW game. The problem is, these games aren't well known...But they're here to solve that! Community stuff happening all the time and it's everything BUT GW. Go to a GW store if you want that, normie, we play Alien the board game here! - They stock some GW stuff and can special order anything from GW in if you want it, but it's still primarily everything else. Just, yano, some guy came in asking if they had any 40k stuff, so they started getting it in basically just for him. He doesn't collect Space Marines, they're just there in case he wants some. Oh, and they do Fantasy groups on Friday, 40k on Saturdays, Age of Sigmar on Sunday. Just, yano, that guy came in. - They stock primarily Warhammer now. There was absolutely lots of interest in all the other games but, yano, Warhammer is the biggest for a reason. No, they've not sold their values down the drain, don't suggest that. If they can get people in the shop via Warhammer, that's when they strike with a packet of "Dungeons and Doggo's"! - Closing down sale. Business was doing great, its all the councils fault because rent has suddenly gone up coincidentally within the period we weren't selling much. Visit our online store! - Online store doesn't work.
If people want things other than Warhammer, they get it online. There just isn't enough local interest in the footfall a physical shop gets, especially one that specialises in miniatures.
Even if people want Warhammer, they'll go online. Even if you go into a store to order something in, they do it via the same online functionality you can use at home, so just do it at home and have it delivered to your home. The GW shops exist solely because it's Saturday morning, you've ran out of a thing and you want to do it today.
Kriegsmarine777@reddit
Yeah this is definitely a factor. The independents I go to that have stuck around long enough always stock GW, Magic and Pokémon (and XWing before it got taken out and shot). Without these people just don't buy there.
Saying that, I do know plenty of people who go out of their way to support their local shops, including local GW's. Part of it will be convenience as like you say, you can get that thing now, or on your lunch break on Friday before a bank holiday weekend (like I'm about to do), but I think there is definitely an undercurrent of people who want to buy stuff to keep that shop there, rather than a charity/vape/barber shop springing up in it's place.
No-Garbage9500@reddit
My local one is fantastic and this is purely down to the store manager: he's enthusiastic, makes things fun, remembers you, not at all pushy and the store is always busy - and it's just him.
I sort of assumed they were all like that, until I went to one about 10 miles away. There were a team of about 4 very bored people who, as soon as I walked in, sort of lurked about following me asking weird awkward questions that they obviously thought were engaging, but were frankly a bit uncomfortable. Eventually I just left because it wasn't a nice store to be in!
My local guy is always sharing posts for nearby stores trying to find new store managers. It takes a particular type of character that is a fairly unique blend of skills that I guess most are unlucky enough to never fill.
Doesn't seem to do the company any harm though, they're flying.
Kriegsmarine777@reddit
Yeah I've moved away now but my previous local was amazing, went from 1 staff member to 3 when I moved, 4 now, and they've always been great, super friendly, super chatty and very supportive, I always pop back in when I'm visiting the folks. Definitely can be hit and miss with stores (I usually pop into one when I'm traveling about to grab a book) though I think trending upwards overall.
It's definitely a unique position though, a mix of salesperson, hobbyist, teacher and a few other bits. Plus dealing with us, and y'know, us hobbyists aren't always the most social of creatures!
callendoor@reddit
lol, they have posted record profits every year for the last 9 years and counting. They were the best-performing company on the entire London Stock Exchange. They have a market cap in the billions.
poke_pants@reddit
Yes but we are talking about shops, not companies, important distinction there. We have no idea if the stores are a major contributor to that profit, it may be that they move to online only in the future.
Nintendo are super rich but don't feel the need to have a high street presence, in fact extend that to gaming full stop. 20 years ago it was unimaginable that virtually every game shop would close, but here we are, yet the industry itself is still bigger than the movie industry.
Pokémon are doing absurdly well, again hardly have any shops and they certainly don't need them. Many independents have actually been struggling because they can't get stock.
SISCP25@reddit
The shops act the same way estate agents and watch companies shops do. It’s primary aim is not to sell products, is marketing.
jawide626@reddit
That's my impression as well, but it seems hobby shops like GW and independant ones that sell the likes of railway models and the such just stay open forever until they choose to close.
adamjeff@reddit
GW the company is the corporate entity, I believe the shops are franchises.
Long_Repair_8779@reddit
All their problems around lifelong cashflow were basically sorted after their first customer spending £400 on about 140 grams of plastic
adamjeff@reddit
More profitable than the entire fishing industry lol.
DaveTheFridge@reddit
Yeah, what people dont get is they do 90%+ of their trade online or through 3rd parties- their shops are glorified adverts so they don’t really need to sell much volume, as long as they get people seeing/thinking about the hobby they serve their purpose! The one near me is a small shop that’s basically just one enormous glass window, run by the same guy for 25 years- he comes to the same LGS down the road to actually play the game! The plastic itself is pennies to make after the initial design and logistics steps and they outsource overheads by selling through 3rd parties so they’re still minted even if going into a physical shop feels like time travelling back to the early 2000s
No-Structure-8125@reddit
Really? I didn't even know they were still going. The one in my area closed down around COVID time, and I haven't seen another one anywhere else.
Mysterious_Soft7916@reddit
No. With the rise of 3D printing, many companies making various minis etc along with how GW treats it's customers, I can see it imploding in the next couple of years.
Minimum_Possibility6@reddit
The 3d printing has been the herald of doom talked about over GW for well over a decade now.
The issue is it may kill smaller players or larger ones who have miniature agnostic games (warlord)
But Gws ip and pull is strong, plus the amount of money they make from ancillaries, books, digital, gaming etc is growing so I don't see them at risk anytime soon
callendoor@reddit
Then you clearly don't have a clue about the business. It's literally one of the most successful and well-performing British Companies.
Elastichedgehog@reddit
Which is surprising given they seem to give their IP to fucking everyone.
adamjeff@reddit
Only in video games, they viciously protect it every where else
Yeorge@reddit
I find it crazy they’re a ftse100 company
zerumuna@reddit
Crazy as well since the staff in the one by me seem adamant to want it to close.
I went in to try and buy something and the woman followed me around questioning whether I should actually be there, asking me random 40k lore questions, was I buying it for my boyfriend etc. all because I was a woman, when she herself is a woman working there. Told her she was a knob and left without buying anything obviously.
You go past now and the only people ever in there are 10 year olds playing in the tabletop section. Never anyone browsing in the shop or buying stuff. God knows how it stays open.
usernameinmail@reddit
Boots
Knot-a-Cop@reddit
Some impressive confidence in replies to this. A company that has posted growth and profits for years, including market share growth is "definitely on its way out because it looks a bit tired". I think OP is correct, Boots has stood the test of time and its going nowhere anytime soon. They are much larger than their competitors. Remember Beauty is a huge industry.
pencilrain99@reddit
Wallgreens /Boots has been bought by a private equity company, that isn't usually a good sign
LordGeni@reddit
Iirc from my stint of work experience there 30 odd years ago, most of their capital was actually in property rather than the shop itself.
Nox_VDB@reddit
Boots is one of the few companies that I'd feel genuine sadness if it disappeared from the high street
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Yeah Boots is definitely one. In fact they still seem to be opening branches as well. Plus they've got the benefits of having a pharmacy and am opticians.
vpetmad@reddit
My GP's office was inside a branch of Boots when I was at uni!
BlueberryJump@reddit
They get money from the NHS for providinng those services as well
usernameinmail@reddit
Yeah at this point they're an extension of the NHS in certain areas
zuzzyb80@reddit
Boots is on my 'any day now' list, sadly. They haven't bothered updating their staggeringly bad website or app in years, despite them being bad to the point it's not always possible to actually put an order through. Most stores look tired too. I assume if there is no investment being made anywhere it's because the money isn't there or they know there is no point as it'll be short term.
folklovermore_@reddit
The Boots website is the main reason I shop at Superdrug.
zuzzyb80@reddit
It's almost impressive how shit it is.
Hippo33333@reddit
I work at Boots and get a staff discount, but I still won't shop on their website or app. I'd rather forgo the staff discount and buy elsewhere, than waste hours on Boots' terrible website.
Boots technology is dire. The routing system for pharmacy drivers wastes hours of time and many miles worth of fuel for every Boots driver in the country, every day. They're literally throwing money away.
zuzzyb80@reddit
Oh wow. I hope for your sake I'm wrong about it going soon but it doesn't feel like a company investing in its future, or fighting to beat the competition, especially online
Rainbvw@reddit
Boots is a strange one for me.
I used to work at Woolworths and we had a Wilko's right opposite, and I knew they were just a cheaper Woolies, so it made sense when we went bust.
For me, Superdrug is to Boots what Wilko's was to Woolworths. Does mostly the same stuff, but cheaper. I'm genuinely surprised they've lasted as long as they have, but I also don't know the background of the company ownership or whatever.
Mysterious_Soft7916@reddit
Yeah, they're definitely on their way out
demolover@reddit
With the expansion of Sephora in the UK I feel like boots will loose some customers
emmacappa@reddit
Hard disagree. I really dislike them and never shop there. Independent Chemists are much better for dispensing and advice and the Pharmacist in charge isn't usually an underpaid, overworked recent graduate. For toiletries, Superdrug and Savers are much better. Additionally, look up their attitude to the morning after pill, patronising and exploitative.
Specialist-Web7854@reddit
Lots of the smaller branches have closed down near me, and the larger ones have hardly any staff. Superdrug seems to be busier.
interstellar_gurl@reddit
Greggs
putlersux@reddit
In 100 years every shop will be a Greggs
Constant-Estate3065@reddit
They’ll evolve into the “Greggs Industries Corporation”. Everyone will work for them, and they’ll do you anything you need…..steak bakes, communal living, transportation, weapons, hard drugs, simulants, sausage rolls, sheet metal fabrications, the lot.
putlersux@reddit
I, for one, welcome our new corporate overlords. I would like to remind them, as a huge fan, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their bakeries
DogDrools@reddit
We can only hope.
Tea_Fetishist@reddit
Maybe the future isn't so dark after all
Crimbly_B@reddit
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only Greggs.
putlersux@reddit
Once I start my own religion Greggs steak bake will be a holy sacrament
Bananaterracottafly@reddit
Will you bring back the steak and cheese roll?
putlersux@reddit
Yes. It's a mostly peaceful religion centred around Greggs, beer and hiking around the countryside.
folklovermore_@reddit
New marketing campaign? It seems to be working for KFC...
putlersux@reddit
Hmm, now you mentioned I want some KFC
writers_block_@reddit
Will it be a sin to scoff a sausage bean and cheese melt?!
putlersux@reddit
I afraid that will a deadly sin
interstellar_gurl@reddit
omggg I love this
Particular_Joke_3461@reddit
The future is beige
GeordieAl@reddit
It’s golden and crispy and filled with meat paste
LaraLovesLatex@reddit
Greggs won the franchise wars
putlersux@reddit
I had Greggs for lunch today and I cannot find the words to describe how nice that chicken was
happyhippohats@reddit
Iceland is already a Greggs so it's spreading
putlersux@reddit
One more reason to visit that island
DamesUK@reddit
What, the whole country?
IronIsaiah@reddit
The more the merrier I say
mronionbhaji@reddit
Quality has gone to the dogs. Their "burgers" are worse than 1990s school lunches, and their fish finger wraps are something a 12 year old could put together.
The actual half decent stuff is now no longer good value.
Can only see Greggs going downhill from here
Darthblaker7474@reddit
Who the fuck is going to Greggs for a burger?
Jetstream-Sam@reddit
I'm surprised to learn they even sell them. Doesn't seem like their market. Maybe they're competing with mcdonalds for worst burger or something
Namiweso@reddit
Had to double check you were on about Greggs then. Neither are exactly something you’d go to Greggs for specifically though.
Also Greggs has never been high quality. It’s just been consistent. The sandwiches and baguettes are naff but you know what you’re getting every time.
Value is still there though. Much cheaper than similar alternatives
kindaadulting87@reddit
Had a sausage roll for the first time in ages - I know it's not gourmet but it's tasteless now.
happyhippohats@reddit
Isn't 'tasting like 90s school lunches' kinda Greggs whole thong though?
Spottyjamie@reddit
Greggs have closed lots of branches
_whopper_@reddit
Yes but overall they’re going up in number.
DeapVally@reddit
Noticeably less queues though. Those branch numbers will need to get scaled back with revenue drops. Price rises can protect against that to some degree, but there's always a tipping point where people just dont think it's worth it anymore. I know I already go far less. Over £5 for 2 bacon and cheese wraps, that could be stone cold, isn't really a deal IMO.
NessunoComeNoi@reddit
Wouldn’t be too sure. Their prices are ridiculous now, only a matter of time until people turn away.
Oneinchwalrus@reddit
There would need to be competition. Pound bakery no longer has the budget element to it, their prices are much higher than they used to be and their quality was and still is poor.
UniqueEnigma121@reddit
I’d never eat that crap🤢
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Lol fair enough you're probably right there.
Thaddeus_Valentine@reddit
I can see Primark shutting down if the government ever decides to properly clamp down on items made in sweat shops.
Fickle_Hope2574@reddit
Define sweat shops. That gets thrown around alot but nobody seems to know what that means.
TinyZoro@reddit
It means horrible working conditions. Come on what’s the point in this comment?
Fickle_Hope2574@reddit
Define horrible working conditions then because that's different for everybody. Working for the nhs during covid was horrible did that make it a sweatshop?
TinyZoro@reddit
If you work in the NHS you are governed by an enormous array of hard fought for employment provisions. The least you can do is not be pedantic about the likelihood that a garment worker in Bangladesh is having horrible working conditions to help support clothing cheaper than the price of a small coffee.
Thaddeus_Valentine@reddit
Production facilities in countries with far worse working and pay conditions. How do you honestly think their products are so cheap?
Emergency_Mistake_44@reddit
Whilst I share this sentiment of "how do you think their products are so cheap", it's not exactly a secret that expensive retailers like Nike, Adidas etc pay next to nothing for their products either. Neither seem ok to you and me but if I had to sadly put myself in the shoes of one of these Bangladeshi factory workers, I think I'd rather 2p a day making £2 clothes than 2p a day making £200 clothes.* I can't explain why.
*Figures plucked from vague memory of articles read over years.
bab_tte@reddit
Do you think this is unique to Primark or other cheap clothing brands? I promise you - all brands make their clothes in similar locations, sometimes the same factories. Even some designer ones. You don't actually know much about this
Fickle_Hope2574@reddit
So you've been to this places that make primates clothes and sene the conditions yourself? See how much they get paid?
TheNotSpecialOne@reddit
I used to work for parent company of Primark. They are huge company with fingers in many pies. They won't be struggling at all, FTSE 100 company with big profits and Primark is expanding globally.
mhoulden@reddit
Associated British Foods: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_British_Foods. They could almost run Primark as a loss-leader.
yourefunny@reddit
Huh. They are one of my clients. Had no idea they owned Primark! I should charge them more!!
Terrible-Prior732@reddit
They did exactly this when they were getting going, nowadays Primark bails out some of the food brands when they're struggling.
TheNotSpecialOne@reddit
Yup Primark is their money making baby that helps their other less profitable businesses like bread business
concretepigeon@reddit
How do you run a whole shop as a loss leader?
DaveBeBad@reddit
Ask WH Smith’s…
GreaterGlasgow@reddit
stocks down 20% yoy
properwickedness@reddit
I tried to google and find out how much they pay their garment workers the other day, just out of curiosity.
Couldn't find an amount, but I did find that they were facing legal troubles over not actually paying them at all and owing wages to their factory workers. They then seemed to have created some sort of "fair wage fund" but multiple sources were pointing out that there was no proof of what that entailed, or if it was actually being implemented anywhere.
Peartree1@reddit
Source?
properwickedness@reddit
It takes less than 5 seconds to google. Do it yourself.
Thaddeus_Valentine@reddit
What they're paying - if they're paying at all - will vary massively from location to location.
ChiliSquid98@reddit
What do you think those 9 factories in the UK are supplying for them?
Thaddeus_Valentine@reddit
Far less than the other 789 factories I know that much.
ChiliSquid98@reddit
I'm just wondering because they'd need to pay UK minimum wage. So it's gotta be expensive stuff or maybe it could be something as simple as the labels.
261846@reddit
…which they won’t
Own-Station1329@reddit
Define sweat shops. Most garments in the world are made in factories aboard. Are you start sewing your own clothes?
throwpayrollaway@reddit
We used to make them here. My mum's first job was sewing gussets in Marks and Spencers knickers. Mid 1960s. I think at one time M and S was trading as only selling British made clothes.
dbltax@reddit
There are still plenty of companies making clothes in the UK.
Minimum_Possibility6@reddit
In sweat shops in Leicester
turtleship_2006@reddit
Which are probably much, much, less than than the "best" sweatshops abroad.
We actually have worker rights, and a not to horrible minimum wage, etc
Minimum_Possibility6@reddit
Erm.i guess you didn't see or hear the news/documentaries about them.
They exploit migrants labour, don't pay minimum wage and are horrible places to work
EmmaInFrance@reddit
When I was a kid, in the 70s, my mum used to get a lot of my clothes from a local factory shop where they mostly made clothes for M&S.
This was near Bridgend in South Wales.
They had factories all over the UK back then.
throwpayrollaway@reddit
My mum worked in one near Bolton Lancashire. There was still a working cotton mill at the end of street until some time in the 1990s, again near Bolton.
EmmaInFrance@reddit
I'm from a family of dressmakers, and as well as being taught how to sew from a very early age, I knit, crochet and handspin.
I have read a lot about textiles and textile history over the years.
It saddens me to see how little people value the work involved in making clothing these days.
I suppose that it's the same with everything we consume now.
It's all made by 'others', far away overseas where we don't have to think about it.
It comes to us ready made, often all wrapped up in plastic, and people have no idea of the different complex processes involved, or the physical cost to those on the production line.
DaveBeBad@reddit
M&S forced their suppliers to cut corners every season until nothing is made here - a former employer went from 20-30,000 British jobs to bankruptcy in a couple of decades.
UniquePotato@reddit
They were hit massively during covid because they refuse to go online. This is something that they haven’t learnt and still not do.
ofjune-x@reddit
They’ve recently rolled out a click & collect service in my area so you can order online and collect in store (and presumably impulse buy more in store whilst collecting).
Terrible-Prior732@reddit
They've trialled online on a small scale in the past, it wasn't profitable so they ditched it.
Thaddeus_Valentine@reddit
That won't affect them too much so long as they can keep abusing cheap labour. People will always physically go to Primark because they know they can get an entire wardrobe for less than £100, and selling online will end up costing them money (less footfall in stores means they're paying wages and rent for less return, plus they have spend on setting up distribution and hire workers for packaging).
UniquePotato@reddit
It will, plenty of cheap(er) online retailers are available. Shein are growing very quickly.
releasethekaren@reddit
wouldn’t pretty much every fashion store on the high street also end up shutting down too? not boutiques etc but any big store
Gallusbizzim@reddit
That wouldn't just affect Primark. Even very expensive clothes can be made in sweat shops.
Thaddeus_Valentine@reddit
Absolutely but Primarks entire USP is being Uber cheap. I don't think they'd survive raising prices by 100% or more across the board.
Allasse-fae-Glesga@reddit
I thought that about Woolworths. And C&A. Nothing lasts forever.
LowarnFox@reddit
Aldi and Lidl- Their prices are cheap enough to make it worth a special trip, and over the convenience of online shopping, and a lot of the things they sell are genuinely nice! Plus the exciting middle aisle specials draw people into the shop!
paddydog48@reddit
Poundland, although the way things are going it will have to be renamed fiftypenceland, it’s getting like the hunger games out there at this point.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
I doubt poundland will go out of business either but I have seen a few shut downs one before. Rotherham just completely lost theirs.
Avon_Man@reddit
John Lewis.
Basically the only department store left worth the name but has the benefit of a really strong online presence, a complimentary business in Waitrose that tends to be stronger when JL ks weaker (and vice versa). They also have the benefit of a lot of their estate being freehold which makes it cheaper to run.
Being employee owned also in theory means they're able to make better long term decisions than arbitrarily needing to exceed last year's numbers by x%
SceneDifferent1041@reddit
Um.... Who's going to break it to this guy.
stormy_councilman@reddit
Please enlighten us?
SceneDifferent1041@reddit
The company who had to close most their shops? The same company who can't afford to price match anymore? Also have you seen a Waitrose recently? They are running a skeleton crew.....
It is not a healthy company.
Avon_Man@reddit
Break what?
Ok-Salary3550@reddit
Sorry but this just isn't true.
They're not "employee-owned" except in a very loose sense - the shares in the partnership are held in trust on behalf of employees. The employees, in reality, have very little say in the day to day running of the firm. It still has senior management, and that senior management still has revenue and profit targets.
UniqueEnigma121@reddit
That includes Waitrose too.
F_DOG_93@reddit
Any of the supermarkets. As a SWE, I can almost guarantee you they are making tens of millions on contracts to advertising companies selling them your shopping and personal data via clubcard/nectar etc. That's the real reason clubcard prices exist. They make thousands of pounds on you and give you a measley little discount for it.
idontlikemondays321@reddit
Those sex shops by the side of A roads. I’ve never seen anyone enter one in my entire life yet they’ve outlived Woolworths and BHS
North_Tie2975@reddit
Turkish barbers, vape shops, nail bars!
theroch_@reddit
Woolworths. Not been there in a while as we moved out of the city. What a great shop, I love the ‘pick n mix’
Mediocre_mum26@reddit
Next. I’d be surprised if they disappeared. I do think their sales are what keeps them afloat at times.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Yeah I agree with that. It would surprise me if Next disappeared.
trialbybees@reddit
Bargin booze
LordGeni@reddit
You could have said the same about Victoria wine or oddbins. If they still exist it's no where near the level they used to be.
UniqueEnigma121@reddit
Never heard of it. Is it a Northern thing🤔
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Nope. They are down South too.
rainbow-songbird@reddit
The one opposite me lost their license nearly 3 years ago for selling to kids. Somehow it's still open despite having no booze to sell.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Yeah definitely. They are still opening many more of them too.
Specialist-Web7854@reddit
Specsavers. At least until we get to some sci-Fi future where eye problems can be fixed cheaply and quickly, people will always need opticians, and a lot of people will have to go for the cheap end of the market.
LordGeni@reddit
Online glasses retailers are starting to cut into their business. If someone invents an app that can work out your prescription they'd be in a lot of trouble.
LiliWenFach@reddit
The real cheap end of the market is buying your glasses online. I was quotes £250 for glasses from Specsavers, which is quite midrange but still a lot of money. Even getting my old glasses reglazed they wanted £200. Even buying the cheapest glasses they had (the ones that are free if you get them on prescription), adding in lenses put them at £100+.
Got two pairs for £120 from Asda, and then discovered SpeckyFourEyes, which charged me a total of £20 for new lenses in my old Specsavers frames. If you know your prescription and measurements it's possible to make massive savings.
I feel sorry for shoppers who are still solely reliant high street stores, especially those on tight budgets. I think SS knows it has a certain percentage of clients who have no option but to use them, and that's why it offers so little in the way of budget options. I don't care what brand my glasses are - I just want to see clearly.
Moreghostthanperson@reddit
One of my kids wears glasses and will likely need to for the rest of their life. It’s not so bad at the moment as their glasses are free, but I’m dreading once they turn 18 and the opticians start wanting hundreds of pounds for one pair, I will obviously be paying for their first pair or two until they can support themselves and pay for their own prescription. I think I’m definitely going to look into getting hold of the prescription and ordering online.
Only downside I can see is at the opticians when you try them on in store before you leave they can adjust the frames so they fit better. I’m not sure if they’d do it for glasses bought elsewhere.
LiliWenFach@reddit
You can adjust some aspects of the fit yourself- there are videos showing how to use a hairdryer to bend the arms slightly. I've done it with a recent pair. Once you have a pair that fit well you can measure them and buy exactly the same size online.
My plan for my next prescription is to get a really good few pairs from a high street optician, get them perfectly fitted - and when my prescription changes I will get the frames 'reglazed' (new lenses) by an online optician. My current Converse ones are still like new, even though they are 4-5 years old.
It's so wasteful that high street opticians treat frames as single-use and price reglazing so high that it discourages re-using perfectly good frames. The anti-scratch coating also flakes off after a few years. I'm convinced there's an element of built-in obsolence to keep us buying new glasses every two years.
And I totally understand the worry about affordability of glasses. My daughter is disabled and gets her prosthetic legs from the NHS. The thought of Reform getting in and introducing their insurance-based, American style health care has kept me awake at nights with anxiety, because I know that prosthetic limbs cost thousands. I worry how she will be able to afford it in the future, and that one day she will be left literally unable to walk.
It's crazy that things as essential as glasses, mobility aids and prosthetic limbs aren't a given right. I often wonder, what would happen if someone on the breadline broke their glasses and couldn't afford a replacement pair? If I lost my glasses I wouldn't be able to drive or work at all. Who decided that we have to pay for glasses?!
Moreghostthanperson@reddit
This is some good information, will definitely look into at home methods for resizing glasses when the time comes. Also agree completely about opticians tracking frames as single use, I understand if for children because they grow. But for adults it should be encouraged to just get the lenses changed. With the big fuss about single use plastics it’s surprising this hasn’t become a ‘thing’ yet.
Sorry about your daughter, I agree it is very scary if reform ever get any sort of power. I can’t imagine the worry you experience without having to worry about private medical care as well!
folklovermore_@reddit
Thing is that once your prescription goes past a certain strength level (in either direction) a lot of the online supplies won't do it. So those people unfortunately still need to go to the high street, and are then at the mercy of those high prices.
Specialist-Web7854@reddit
When I had single vision lenses I bought some online, which were ok. My colleague used to be an optician and measured my pupillary distance, which helped. Now I have varifocals I’m paying a lot more, and I will only get decent lenses, (def not Specsavers), I’ve tried far too many that were terrible. You need a lot more measurements for varifocals too.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Yeah they will likely stay open for years to come because of the opticians.
Ambitious_Display845@reddit
Ikea. I know they do online orders and delivery, but the shops remain busy and they've kinda become an "experience" trip out for families.
LordGeni@reddit
They're also still privately run as far as I'm aware. So are less beholden to the markets or investors.
4u2nv2019@reddit
I sometimes just go for the food with family too. It’s close by so helps
Moreghostthanperson@reddit
Their furniture is reasonably priced and is decent quality. I’ve had chests of drawers and other bits of furniture from them that are still going strong and look good as new 10 years on. I’ve had more expensive furniture from other retailers which has been very flimsy in comparison and not lasted.
They’re also great for people moving out for the first time as you can get everything you need under one roof for a reasonable price. It’s very convenient.
Can’t see them going anywhere if they keep doing what they’re doing. It’s not solid oak bespoke furniture but for the price the quality is good and stuff lasts in my experience. A lot of it looks nice too.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Yeah I agree. IKEA still seem to be doing well and opening new places.
welshfach@reddit
Can someone explain to me why HMV are still in business?
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
I suspect they won't be much longer sadly.
RevolutionaryPace167@reddit
CEX and pawn shops.
Henno212@reddit
Pawnbrokers / shops that offer those over the top loans with mad apr
Scottish_squirrel@reddit
I remember shopping in Primark in the early 90s. Worked there on the early 00. Prices are steadily increasing. If they keep going I think people will realise and take their business somewhere else
SnooLobsters8265@reddit
M&Ms World.
pikantnasuka@reddit
Literally none of them. No business is too big to fail, or be taken over. None of them can future proof 100%.
Crazy_Grass1749@reddit
24 hour Tesco.
Aphr0dite19@reddit
Premier.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Premier seem to be opening a lot of new stores too.
midgetman144@reddit
I believe it's because they operate on the franchise model
SigourneyReap3r@reddit
Boyes, because how they're still going is an enigma.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Yeah and they're still opening branches lol. Like the one in Doncaster they opened recently to replace wilko.
SigourneyReap3r@reddit
They sell everything but nothing at the same time, can't fathom it 🤣
jellyantler@reddit
Just bought a nice hallway rug from Boyes! Love that shop.
SigourneyReap3r@reddit
I recently got a very nice mug from there too 😅
_gingercat@reddit
I was talking to a friend about Boyes the other day who had never heard of it, but told him to visit the one a few miles away when he moves out as they’re great for starting supplies like kitchenware, DIY etc but also cheaper craft supplies for his hobby. I was explaining not to be put off by the interior of the store as it can seem quite worn down and old, but it’s fantastic.
I think it keeps going because it knows its target market well. It doesn’t spend unnecessary amounts on advertising and rebrands, the stores look exactly the same inside as 20 years ago (I don’t know about the newly opened ones though). They understand it doesn’t need to change as people know exactly what they’re getting, they don’t expect a modern, flashy shop. Meaning, they can keep their prices low and keep the regular customers.
It’s also still owned by the Boyes family, they haven’t sold the company and it seems like they don’t chase profits for big bonuses like larger chains.
It was a godsend shop years back in small towns. They had a lot of supplies you couldn’t get elsewhere, which is obviously different now as big chain stores have popped up in these places, but people will still shop there because they know exactly what they’re getting.
ThePineappleSeahorse@reddit
I had to look them up. I’ve never heard of them. They seem to focus on opening stores in relatively small towns.
Used_Environment_356@reddit
Massive store in Bridlington over 4 floors and home to the famous steak pie in their roof top bay view cafe.
AChurchForAHelmet@reddit
If you're a hobbyist it's often the only place in the town centre you can pick craft stuff up these days
Art stuff is in the works, knitting gear is in boyes
Cheap clothes too
Choice-Standard-6350@reddit
I love love Boyes. Lots of old fashioned things you can only get there.
Electronic-Trade-504@reddit
Toys r us
Woolworths
anjou_aviatrix@reddit
Boots. It's only real competitor is Superdrug and I don't see Superdrug outdoing them any time soon.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Couldn't you make the same argument for the other way round though? I feel like superdrug wouldn't shut down anytime soon even with boots competing with them.
anjou_aviatrix@reddit
I suppose so, I just feel like if one was going to win out over the other it would be Boots. I go to Boots all the time for various things, but Superdrug only if I'm passing really. Suppose it depends where you live though.
Broccoli--Enthusiast@reddit
The random electronics repair shop in my town
Never seen anyone go in, the window has sun bleached CD-r boxes,, keyboards, mice etc from 20+ years ago, but the dude is there 5 days a week, always with big luxury cars
I don't think he actually repairs things but he's definitely getting somebody their fix...
AutoPanda1096@reddit
Woolworths, I can't imagine a high street without them.
Love that shop.
NoCommunication7@reddit
M&S and John Lewis, one 1-2 department stores remain they turn into protected cultural icons
Crafty-Source-5906@reddit
Greggs
Guerrenow@reddit
Betting shops unfortunately
SureElderberry15@reddit
And how I hope anything gambling related would magically disappear.
ringerrosy@reddit
Only if it gets out of control. The vast majority of people manage the amount they bet, and it's within their means
lllarissa@reddit
Lots have shut down in the past 5 years. I could see them going
Guerrenow@reddit
If you go down to the woods today..
lllarissa@reddit
But they aren't opening they are closing. Companies won't close down, they will just move online...
Status-Mousse5700@reddit
Surely in a few generations time it will all be online if not sooner
Guerrenow@reddit
True. Only the oldies use the shops really
ATSOAS87@reddit
Not at all.
I see younger men in there. It's a 3rd space, and it's free to use.
doihavetousethis@reddit
Their time is coming!
jonewer@reddit
It's weird how common they are given how puritanical UK society can be
DotComprehensive4902@reddit
Plenty of them have disappeared and the ones that are left are full of those slot type betting machines
UniqueEnigma121@reddit
Turf accounts🙄
concretepigeon@reddit
It’s not impossible that they get killed by legislation at some point.
Guerrenow@reddit
If you were there, beware
TheScottishMoscow@reddit
There's been a betting shop on our high street for a few years now. I've never, ever, ever seen anyone in it.
Guerrenow@reddit
Yeah but you wear a blindfold everywhere you go
Subject-Motor-5652@reddit
Bound to have beenb said hundreds of times but fuck it. Greggs.
williamsdb@reddit
Knocking shop.
GreaterGlasgow@reddit
cop shops, brass houses and the dole
white1984@reddit
Actually police stations are increasingly becoming inaccessible, and are basically giant offices. Contacting police is now becoming more online or over the phone. Doing statements can easily be done on the spot, and officers can increasingly work from home.
Cold-Road9280@reddit
Pharmacies like Boots. Prescriptions are more online these days but I think pharmacies will stay have a place. The smaller independent pharmacies will most likely close though
Cold-Road9280@reddit
Nailbars....waxing salons....hairdressers ( not retail) but still kind of a shop!
DefStillAlive@reddit
Oxfam, sadly. I'm not really a Ricky Gervais fan but he did have a good line about them: "That's gone from strength to strength. You've done well if you've got shares in that..."
white1984@reddit
Doubt, for two reasons. Firstly fast fashion has wrecked the secondhand market with cheap knockoffs. Secondly, sites like Vinted and Depop broke the link.
George_Salt@reddit
Never say never.
There was a time that people would have assumed this about Woolworths, WH Smith, Debenhams, etc.
Primark isn't invulnerable, there's currently a market for cheaply made low quality two-wears-to-landfill fashion, but is that a secure niche forever?
DeapVally@reddit
Although not English, the example Sears set is also a grim reminder of how even the biggest in the world can fail.
white1984@reddit
Also Hudson's Bay Company and Galleria Kaufhof.
LimeInternational856@reddit
WH Smith strictly speaking isn't disappearing. They sold their high street stores to Hobbycraft's owners and will be called TG Jones but they'll still be around in airports and railway stations.
George_Salt@reddit
The WH Smith name is disappearing from the High Street. Modella are going to have to make substantial changes to the WH Smith model to make TG Jones work. The profitability of the High St stores has been in rapid decline.
It's moot that the travel stores remain. But we could be having the same argument before long as to whether M&S Food Halls can be taken as a continuation of the M&S's High St store legacy.
michaelbella@reddit
DFS
TheScottishMoscow@reddit
M&S has been irrelevant for decades and decades yet continues to exist.
Orrery-@reddit
They've done a lot of work on their clothing. Much nicer than it used to be
TheScottishMoscow@reddit
They had a boom pre 2011 lots of 'sex sells' advertising in the naughties. Personally I'm yet to see a revival but I'll take your word on the clothing improvements. I think they'll forget struggle to shake off their frumpy image.
Orrery-@reddit
If memory serves, they scooped up a lot of important names in styling and designing and bought over some names, to update their style.
I'm a bit biased lol, I love Marks and Sparks lol
sjjskqoneiq9Mk@reddit
It's far from irrelevant it's had a huge surge in popularity and has been a stable business for years
TheScottishMoscow@reddit
A huge surge in popularity as demonstrated by this downward trend over 5 years or by the fact they are in the news due to their inability to process online orders?
sjjskqoneiq9Mk@reddit
5 years isn't decades.
A cyber attack is hardly Thier fault and they weren't the only ones hit.
£840mill in profits is far from irrelevant
Embarrassed-End-3223@reddit
That’s a bit like claiming it’s not your fault you got robbed despite leaving the door open. True nobody should be robbing you but it’s your own fault for leaving the door open.
sjjskqoneiq9Mk@reddit
It's more like having all the top notch security but not checking all your blond spot regularly.
Creating a computer system completely unable to be attacked is totally unobtainable.
Embarrassed-End-3223@reddit
What’s being blond got to do with it?
sjjskqoneiq9Mk@reddit
🤦♀️blind 🤣
TheScottishMoscow@reddit
It's been on a downward trend since 201, well into its second decade of downward trending irrelevance but I'm glad we've found the M&S employee in the sub.
sjjskqoneiq9Mk@reddit
Not even 🤣🤣🤣
TheScottishMoscow@reddit
And yes a cyber attack absolutely IS their fault
Minimum_Possibility6@reddit
Millennials have ages into M&S.
That and for a man they are one of the few places where it isn't just a few racks at the back of the store for mensware
Specialist-Web7854@reddit
Their food hall will never be irrelevant!
rmulberryb@reddit
It's sustained by boomer rage
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
They have shut a few down tbf over the years but I agree. They will probably stay open for a while yet.
Viking18@reddit
Screwfix. Hell, add Travis Perkins to that as well.
There will always be the trades; the trades will always need supplies; the supplies can almost always be found at one of those two; either there and then or next morning. Screwfix even does deliveroo style delivery nowadays, at least in London. Things'd fall apart without them.
lankymjc@reddit
Games Workshop. Those fuckers know what they’re doing.
Imperator_Helvetica@reddit
But what if the CEO rolls all 1s and the CFO fails their Saving Throw! They could lose everything!
lankymjc@reddit
They’ll have stacked up thirteen different stratagems they didn’t tell you about to allow them to auto-pass saving throws.
Imperator_Helvetica@reddit
"Oh no, this new corporate handbook nerfs Accounting, but overpowers the HR/Estates Team! It does add some more spikes to New Media and some interesting team combinations to Shipping and Logistics.'
Much-Fall-9515@reddit
Probably only need one sale a day to keep a shop open
Stunning-Wave7305@reddit
Co-op. They have a monopoly in rural areas.
sumo_73@reddit
The House of Commons Post Office. I've never been there but I think it will carry on for some years.
ProperComposer7949@reddit
That little shop down from me that sells sod all but doesn't wink wink sell dirt cheap cigs. They've been raided by customs loads of times and they never find them even though they must be selling thousands of cigs a day
Particular_Tune7990@reddit
Small margin-large volume business models such as Kwik Save, Wilko's and many others can and do go out of business in a spectacular fashion. I can very much see Primark dying one day - no business is immune to a poor leadership and/or terrible market conditions, a new rival etc. etc.
Long_Repair_8779@reddit
Tbh Amazon at one point I could have imagined struggling.. Their margins aren't that high even though their prices aren't very cheap either, and increasingly the quality of a lot they are selling is not great, with a massive influx of cheap Chinese shite that is being resold from Temu (obscuring the high quality Chinese stuff). Tbh their only selling point is quality customer service and their distribution network. If that goes they've had it.
HOWEVER, their businesses are so diversified now, I can't remember into what but I'm quite sure I remember seeing the majority of their revenue is not from selling goods to consumers anymore
No_Grass8024@reddit
Amazon has made more money from Amazon web services than all there other offerings combined since 2008.
Decent-Chipmunk-5437@reddit
I was going to say. Of their $60Bn profit last year, $40Bn was from AWS.
Their whole retail arm could collapse spectacularly and Amazon as a company would barely blink.
Minimum_Possibility6@reddit
AWS is their most profitable arm
Moreghostthanperson@reddit
McDonald’s. Just seems consistently busy and they open new locations fairly frequently and I see their advert’s everywhere, I’m also partial to one myself. Although prices have shot up in recent years, they’ve also introduced a points system and have a lot of special offers through their app to get cheaper/free food.
Granted there are a lot of delivery drivers in their stores now but I still feel there’s a market for eating in, particularly for branches in shopping centres/high streets.
hdruk@reddit
Barber shops. Amazon isn't delivering haircuts any time soon.
jawide626@reddit
If reddit is to be believed they're all money launderers for drug gangs.
CaptainVXR@reddit
The Venn diagram of young tradesmen getting a weekly skinfade and basement-dwelling redditors who are convinced barbers are all laundering money would look like an aerial shot of the hoops either end of a basketball court...
hdruk@reddit
If they've got a side hustle that'll make them even more secure, but I think the job of waving sharp implements around people's heads is still pretty secure on its own
pritchyspritch@reddit
They actually do have an Amazon hair “salon” in Spitalfields market in London weirdly, not a barbers but still thought it was weird
AwareCash8389@reddit
Yes, I’ve seen that haha
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
I think if learning to cut hair was a norm it would quickly have an effect. Obviously not everyone can do it for various reasons (some hairstyles are too complicated to do on your own, whilst others might just not have the dexterity etc) but for the most part, common hairstyles that just require a quick buzz for men and a chop / light layering for women are pretty simple to do at home imo.
Robotniked@reddit
Ironically I stopped getting barber haircuts since I was forced to order clippers from Amazon during lockdown and liked the result.
Mr5wift@reddit
Also, I can't see anyone wanting a robot with scissors near their eyes anytime soon. Barbers, Hairdressers etc are almost recession proof, did a geography case study in declining towns in the 90s after mine closures and all the towns still had several barbers and beauty salons.
PrinceBert@reddit
Amazon delivered me haircuts in that it delivered clippers and now my wife cuts my hair.
Beartato4772@reddit
The problem is the word "Never".
Any company can shut down, including say, Tesco. But there will likely always be supermarkets in general.
Primark aren't special. There will likely be cheap clothes shops in the last few shops that exist but there's no reason they have to be specifically Primark.
UniquePotato@reddit
Primark aren’t online with is unbelievable in this day and age for such are large high street retailers
Beartato4772@reddit
You certainly couldn't start a business like that these days could you? It works for them through sheer name recognition.
PlasticNovelPorn@reddit
Not the same but Shein and FashionNova came out of nowhere and became massive
jawide626@reddit
They are online, at least in part. You can order for click & collect just not have it delivered to your door.
UniquePotato@reddit
Except you still need to go to the store, if you’re doing that you might as well just shop normally
CyGuy6587@reddit
They do Click & Collect now, which is close enough I guess
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Still though, even if Primark do eventually shut down, I can't see it being any time soon. I mean they're even opening branches in other countries atm.
Beartato4772@reddit
Expanding too quickly has killed many a company :)
Ok_Young1709@reddit
Vape shops. Tattoo places too, because no matter how 'broke' people are, they always find money for a new tattoo.
Ambitious_Display845@reddit
Aren't single use disposable vapes being made illegal soon?
Ok_Young1709@reddit
Probably but weed is illegal too, that won't stop people.
Ambitious_Display845@reddit
Bit the shops might disappear a bit.
katiiieeeee@reddit
Vapes won't be fully illegal though
Ok_Young1709@reddit
Nah they'll just sell cheap reusable vapes and liquids etc.
SkullCowgirl@reddit
Yes but people will still buy vapes. They wear out just like anything else. Plus you need to replace the coils every so often and buy juice/pods.
Minimum_Possibility6@reddit
They are, but the vape shops usually sell the refillable as they make their money on the flavours and refills. It's the odd licences that sell disposable mainly.
(That's if they are not just laundering fronts)
ConsciouslyIncomplet@reddit
Woolworths - cornerstone of British shopping!
cooky561@reddit
food shops, people for some reason hate shopping for food online (Perhaps it's the inane substitutions?)
Anything that sells cars, it's very unwise to buy a used car without being able to see it first
Large shopping parks out of town, they're always crazy busy.
BigGrinJesus@reddit
There's this shop in my town where they sell clothes for babies and toddlers. I went in there to buy some shoes for my 2 year old and the staff were packaging online orders when they weren't serving customers in the shop. I think that's the way forward. 90% online sales with a shop front for people who need something last minute or want to see the item before buying it.
Another place in my town that seems like it will last is the escape room. I think younger generations are more interested in going out to do activities together than they are in going to the pub.
porkchopbun@reddit
Ann Summers.
True_Scientist1170@reddit
Shoezone lasted 20 year too long defo laundering it lasted a recession
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
I can't see shoehorned lasting much longer though tbh. Everyone that is still open I've seen doesn't seem to be busy.
Boldboy72@reddit
Tie Rack
Knickerbox
HMV
Virgin Megastore
C&A
Debenhams
As long as we have these, the 1980s are going to be fantastic
the_ice_of_alice@reddit
HMV is still thriving on the high street.
Boldboy72@reddit
it's not the same HMV and to say it's thriving might be over egging it a little, they're doing ok (opening a new store in my home town in the next few weeks... I worked for HMV back in my youth...)
Lox_Ox@reddit
And wilkos
simonannitsford@reddit
Woolworths and Wilkinsons, they'll never close them in a million years ......... oh, wait
DaveBeBad@reddit
Wilko has relaunched and has a small number of stores.
simonannitsford@reddit
Oooooh
alex8339@reddit
Undertakers
Sudden-Cobbler-2696@reddit
suprised no one has said Cex yet
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Yeah that's a good one. I can't see CeX closing down at all anytime soon.
doughnaltramp@reddit
Ladbrokes.
noname2808559@reddit
Coop
real_Mini_geek@reddit
Woolworths
wazbang@reddit
Barber and chicken shops
Judging_Jester@reddit
Max Spielman. At this point it’s immortal
Keycuk@reddit
Kwik fit, they are terrible, they have a terrible reputation and they are always busy. I have had to use them for my company van a few times and they are so bad
ringo_scar@reddit
My wife got pulled over by the police because her brake light was always on (they thought she might be drunk and keeping a foot on the brake while driving).
Turns out Kwik fit had fitted the wrong bulb. :/
Keycuk@reddit
I am not surprised, i reckon this comment is going to have a string of horror stories from Kwik fit by tomorrow. brake light permanently on is also a sign the car is stolen. Some cars put the brake lights on if a car is stolen
jimicus@reddit
I failed an MOT because they'd fitted a directional tyre backwards.
Keycuk@reddit
Classic
ringo_scar@reddit
My wife got pulled over by the police because her brake light was always on (they thought she might be drunk and keeping a foot on the brake while driving).
Turns out Kwik fit had fitted the wrong bulb. :/
Highlander197@reddit
DFS.....Only going on the basis, they always have a sales on..😂😂
George_Salt@reddit
I'm beginning to think that Pizza Express is invincible. Although it's been fundamentally profitable over a long period of time the debt it's been saddled with has been crazy - at one time there was >£1bn debt on the books (2019/20), but that seems to have been brought down to <£300mn.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Pizza Express won't shut down I don't think but they have slowed down with opening new ones in recent times I think.
Melchior_Chopstick@reddit
Keddies
silver-w1nd@reddit
LONDIS/SPAR
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
True. They always manage somehow despite being ridiculously expensive.
Intelligent-Tea-4241@reddit
Would have said M&S but… 😬
Used_Environment_356@reddit
The food saved them imo. Nothing comes close in terms of quality.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
M&S are still in business though. I can't see them fully shutting down anytime soon.
Intelligent-Tea-4241@reddit
No online orders for weeks, I check every day because we need to order trousers for our wedding from there 😂
StereotypicallBarbie@reddit
Supermarkets like Aldi and Lidl. What with rising prices on groceries I think more people are now using cheaper supermarkets and will continue to do so. These are the only stores I ever shop in person at. Mostly because I’m sick of giving larger supermarkets over the top prices for the exact same stuff just out of the convenience of it being online.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Yeah Aldi and Lidl will definitely stay open for a while I think. And I know of a few that have recently opened in the past few years.
StereotypicallBarbie@reddit
Yeah we recently just had a new Lidl built local to me.. much bigger than the last one!
I prefer Aldi but we have two of those now too. They’ve built the Lidl right next to a massive Asda too.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Tbf I have a big asda next to me but there is also a farmfoods next to it which is never busy. I have no idea how the farmfoods manages to survive but it does.
StereotypicallBarbie@reddit
We have a farm foods too! But it’s In an odd location right next to a dentist and set back out the way.. so if you didn’t know it was there you’d never know it even existed! I think I’ve been in there maybe 3 times at most over the 10 years it’s been there and I’ve been the only one in the shop.
Vivid-Blacksmith-122@reddit
yeah I would have said that about Woolworths too but
jlelvidge@reddit
Greggs
Minimum_Possibility6@reddit
Had a family member work there in 2008.
They were bordering on collapsing they didn't have the money to pay the farmers or the truck drivers. They had a whole team who job was to bed borrow cajol the haulers to deliver the stock with a promise of being paid.
Had some of them on the phone crying and suicidal as they were about to go broke as Gregg's owed the huge sums.
jlelvidge@reddit
Yes, unfortunately in our town every other local bakery that was great and unique in its own way have lost their businesses since Greggs came to town. Not sure why people are willing to pay those prices but its now established itself as the place to buy bakery stuff and sandwiches, even as far as the Americans on tiktok wanting to try it?
DotComprehensive4902@reddit
Primark could shut down. After people thought Wilko would shut down and it did
mattdaddy2025@reddit
Turkish barbers.
jesuseatsbees@reddit
Lush. If a high street shop selling £7 bars of soap survived the recessions I don’t know what’d shut it down. It doesn’t seem to have lost its trendiness like The Body Shop either. It’s still absolutely jam packed at weekends despite the headache-inducing pong.
ItsaGEO1994@reddit
Woolworths.
The_Perky@reddit
It highlights the problem doesn't it? Growing up I would never of imagined them going bust, and later on I worked in Woolworth House for an associated company (MVC) and there were missteps, but even a couple of years before it didn't seem obvious.
UniqueEnigma121@reddit
Nice😂
Hippymam@reddit
Woolworths collapsed in the UK a few years back. It was a massive institution here, but all shops closed in 2009.
ItsaGEO1994@reddit
Yes I know I’m British, it was a joke.
Hippymam@reddit
Ah OK! It's still a big company in other parts of the world though. Must admit, I miss the pick and mix 😆
lemon-and-lies@reddit
It lives in our hearts
HeftyMachine996@reddit
Too soon!
stulogic@reddit
Iceland. If people haven't learned by now, they never will.
UniqueEnigma121@reddit
Frozen food🤢
Particular_Tune7990@reddit
Well I remember going to Bejams for my frozen foods.... they got took over but.... well Iceland.... maybe Farm Foods will eat Iceland one day...
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Well I can't see them shutting down in Britain anytime soon but tbf they did have time in The Czech Republic for a little bit and did actually fully shut down there.
stulogic@reddit
I had no idea they were in the Czech Republic, the more you know! That being said I've only been there on holiday and Iceland is about the last think I'm looking for in any country other than Iceland.
jake_folleydavey@reddit
Within the next 20 years the only brick and mortar shops to survive will be ones you physically can’t replicate online.
Hairdressers/Barbers Butchers Nail Places Wedding Dress shops
Genuinely struggling to think of any more.
erinoco@reddit
Butchers can move online. It would be like the farm shop websites: you just specify what meat and cut you want, any special notes, and you get it sent to you. You could even do this nationally.
Nail technicians can travel to your home, or work from home themselves, taking payment online. It would be more difficult for hair stylists, given the equipment, but it wouldn't be impossible for someone doing it on a small and modest scale. What might be possible in the future would be a "virtual person" who can directly wear clothes online.
I can definitely see all these becoming commonplace over the next 20 years if the tech is right. Within half a century, you could get your clothes 3D printed.
jimicus@reddit
That's already happening in Britain's smaller towns where there is no longer the footfall to support any of the big retailers.
To be blunt, though, an awful lot of the businesses that have gone were a bit shit in the first place.
Ok-Personality-6630@reddit
Screwfix
jawide626@reddit
Same owners as B&Q, both thriving currently so yeh doubt they're going anywhere any time soon.
GeordieAl@reddit
Brit living in Canada… we had a huge store here like screwfix called Lowes selling DIY stuff, building materials, home improvement stuff etc… and they’ve gone.
Nowhere is safe these days, just one good competitor and a squeeze on spending and you’re toast.
Ok-Personality-6630@reddit
Yeah but it wasn't Screwfix was it. Screwfix is like an Argos of DIY, a catalogue shop with warehouse and small front desk for orders/ collections.
GeordieAl@reddit
Yeah, not the same model exactly, more just in the same sphere. When Lowes opened up here it seemed like it was here to stay, opening massive stores. I’m just saying that no business is immune to competition.
lllarissa@reddit
Zara keeps on opening new stores so doubtful they will close any time soon.
Savers/superdrug owned by same company. Always busy but annoying how they upsell lol
DaveBeBad@reddit
Zara is one of the biggest fast fashion brands in the world. Makes a fortune every year
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Yeah savers and superdrug are definitely 2 I can see staying open for a while yet. They're also other shops that keep opening new branches.
ozzieowl@reddit
I’ve been out of the UK for a while but I’m pretty sure Woolworths will never die.
UniqueEnigma121@reddit
WHSmith
Embarrassed_Park2212@reddit
I always thought that BHS, Wilko, Debenhams, Woolworths, Toys R Us and M&S would all be around forever because they are/were shops that have been around for decades.
I was wrong, they just seem to fall so quickly. I don't think any big name is safe these days.
I don't think Boots is long for this world, a shop that's gone from thriving to practically empty. I know they are owned by Walgreens, so they may just keep going but they've really declined lately.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
M&S are still around though
CrazyCoffeeClub@reddit
McDonald's, that's for sure.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Lol you're right there tbf mate.
GeordieAl@reddit
Greggs now outnumbers McDonald’s in the UK… they didn’t see that coming, so who knows what the future holds for them!
CrazyCoffeeClub@reddit
McDonald’s is a global chain, while Greggs is not. 🤷♀️
GeordieAl@reddit
Yet…
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
True. And I think I'd favour McDonalds to shut over greggs at this current moment in time.
pysgod-wibbly_wobbly@reddit
Woolworth, BHS, and Wilkinson. Strong British staples
mkaym1993@reddit
WHSmith. They are disappearing from the higher but seem to have nailed the airport and motorway services niche. They can charge extortionate prices, and you pay as you are pretty much stuck haha
Basic_Simple9813@reddit
The funeral directors. Business for life. Or death.
Spank86@reddit
Specsavers.
jimicus@reddit
Specsavers is a franchise - most of the stores are owned by opticians who want to run a store without all the hassle of finding reliable suppliers, advertising and such.
Spank86@reddit
It was a joke.
Although not a funny one, I don't do funny jokes, only ones that make you wish someone would murder me with extreme prejudice.
Particular_Joke_3461@reddit
If you don't see they have gone, perhaps you need to go to specsavers!
Spank86@reddit
Username checks out.
another_online_idiot@reddit
Greggs. They are everywhere and seem to have cornered the market in easy access, quick purchase, on the go food.
Particular_Joke_3461@reddit
Betting shops. Like a virus they take over all those empty units.
Munchkinpea@reddit
Woolworths.
Yes, I know. Just let me live in my denial and overpriced clogs.
Technomongoose@reddit
Those screen repair/phone/vape shops that will have like 5 other identical shops next to it. They don't have customers anyway they just money laundering places
Responsible_Trash199@reddit
Jewellery shops and ADs (Authorised Dealers) like Goldsmiths
SignificantIsopod797@reddit
WHSmith: the fact it’s still going means they’re doing something right despite nobody every shopping in there, the products being outrageously overpriced, and the special offers bordering on psychotic (do you want two dairy milk bars for £27?)
jimicus@reddit
The high street branches have been losing money for years (and to be honest, would have been a lot longer if they hadn't adopted an aggressive policy of "do not repair anything that is broken or worn out"). They're only making money where they have a captive market - service stations, hospitals, airports, that sort of place.
They've sold all the high street branches while retaining the captive market branches.
Christ knows how they found someone stupid enough to buy them, but that's another question entirely.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Well tbf, WHSmith aren't going to be WHSmith in a few months. They're rebounding.
jawide626@reddit
Only on the high street, WH Smith will still exist in airports and train stations.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Good point tbf
PM-me-your-cuppa-tea@reddit
Though rebranding as TGJones seems insane. It's so phonetically abrasive
Beartato4772@reddit
Not the best example given the WH Smith name will disappear from the high street in the next few months.
ukslim@reddit
Nothing is permanent.
Around 2007, I got fed up of breaking crockery and either not being able to find a replacement to match the rest of the set, or it being really expensive. So I bought a pile of plain white plates and bowls from Woolworths.
Because Woolworths would last forever, right?
Yeah.
Flat_Fault_7802@reddit
TK Maxx
AddressOpposite@reddit
The local chippy. I know many have suffered but come rain or shine every Brit understands a chippy tea is part of our institution 🇬🇧
ubiquitous_uk@reddit
I think Supoermarkets are the only ones currently safe, or specialist contractors stores.
Primark are too reliant on cheap imported goods. If that closes, their entire business model goes overnight.
tsdesigns@reddit
Co-op. They do well in smaller places that don't have access to any other shop (like aldi or whatever). Highlands and islands places, smaller villages and towns, etc.
Barber shops and hairdressers won't really go anywhere, but may change owners or names periodically.
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
I've known of a few co-ops that have shut down tbf but also known some that have opened as well so I agree they'll probably never fully shut down.
txe4@reddit
Essentially all speciality retailers go bust. Fashions change and most retailers have very little equity - own no buildings, have debt - and massive operational gearing (most of their costs are the same whether they sell anything or not) so a relatively-small decrease in sales destroys the business.
putlersux@reddit
Shops selling alcohol and pharmacies
sockeyejo@reddit
Don't jinx it FFS 😂
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
I'm trying not to lol.
Defiant_Employee6681@reddit
Woolies obvs
Lo_jak@reddit
Funeral providers ?
pencilrain99@reddit
None of them the need for year on year increase in profit isn't sustainable
unekwu_@reddit
Definitely Primark.
Physical-Cod2853@reddit
if we exclude all the huge mega corps (bc where’s the fun in that) i’ve gotta say forbidden planet
No_Potato_4341@reddit (OP)
Yeah I think I'd agree with that. Forbidden planet do seem to still be thriving.
Physical-Cod2853@reddit
and that niche of nerdiness will always be here especially with board games
guardngnome@reddit
Greggs.
adezlanderpalm69@reddit
Harrods
Jazzlike-Basil1355@reddit
MFI……..
Kiss_It_Goodbyeee@reddit
Pawn shops
TheNotSpecialOne@reddit
I used to work for parent company of Primark. They are huge company with fingers in many pies. They won't be struggling at all, FTSE 100 company with big profits and Primark is expanding globally.
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