Realtek's $10 tiny 10GbE network adapter is coming to motherboards later this year
Posted by tuldok89@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 159 comments
jenesuispasbavard@reddit
Maybe I can finally ditch microATX if miniITX motherboard start shipping with these.
JtheNinja@reddit
MiniITX with demanding networking needs is hell. No slots for a network card, and nobody seems to ever do more than 2.5gbe on miniITX boards either. Weirdly there are mATX boards with 5gbe, which I don’t recall seeing on mITX last time I checked.
BatteryPoweredFriend@reddit
The only itx boards built with fast networking in mind are those based on platforms like the Xeon-Ds, where the PHY is integrated into the CPU itself.
BrightCandle@reddit
This is probably the last speed upgrade we will see on metal cabling and everything past this is going to be fibre. We could do with making fibre cards a little cheaper by avoiding the module slots for the consumer market making it easier to put onto the motherboards.
cmpxchg8b@reddit
I want an SFP+ port or better on my next mobo.
BrightCandle@reddit
They are really space constrained especially on the backplate area where Ethernet ports go. The length of an SFP+ port is going to go back deep into where the CPU has to go let alone all the power circuitry.
cmpxchg8b@reddit
It's not a unique idea
JtheNinja@reddit
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an SFP+ port on a mobo. PCPartPicker doesn’t even have a filter for that. You can filter by 10Gbps networking in general, but I couldn’t find anything with SFP on the boards I checked, not even the sTRX4 stuff. Found some with dual 10GBase-T, but no SFP anything.
cmpxchg8b@reddit
There have been motherboards in the past with them
There aren't any mainstream ones around today. I'm hoping that will change.
EasyRhino75@reddit
40gbs theoretically possible on cat8 but never really caught on
siscorskiy@reddit
What distances tho?
EasyRhino75@reddit
i don't remember less than 100m more than 10m.
GilliamOS@reddit
I run 25 Gbps on copper.
EasyRhino75@reddit
Utp or dac?
GilliamOS@reddit
DAC, so technically metal lol.
shalol@reddit
So metal music makes the DAC run fast? lol
pdp10@reddit
Twinax. /u/BrightCandle will want to say "UTP" or "twisted-pair", not copper. Technically you've got the 100GBASE-K* backplane standards over copper PCB as well.
mana-addict4652@reddit
0.1gbps with 0.02gbps upload here on Fibre optic here (crying)
reddit-MT@reddit
It may be the rising price of copper metal that pushes industry to fiber.
pdp10@reddit
There are different fibre transceivers depending on distance and cabling, plus short-range applications tend to prefer twinax DAC when the bend radius isn't an issue, anyway. So we need modular transceivers, even if the sockets cost a couple of dollars.
JtheNinja@reddit
You can probably make LC duplex SMF with ~50m optics work for almost all home uses. It’s not ideal compared to a modular port, but it would probably get the job done for a mobo port
LordXavier77@reddit
Now we need cheap 10gbe switch
techysec@reddit
Ubiquiti has been on a roll with 10Gbe lately, seems likely they might drop a Flex 10Gb this year.
pfak@reddit
Too bad it's Ubiquiti.
Pinksters@reddit
Ubiquiti is fine, their prices...not so much.
They're not really a "Consumer first" brand though.
Kyanche@reddit
They're not really an "Enterprise first" brand either.
pfak@reddit
Ubiquiti doesn't follow 802.1q standard so that's an issue in itself for their switching equipment.
Automatic-End-8256@reddit
I wouldnt call $300 for a 5 port cheap, maybe in the enterprise world
wpm@reddit
They already have a Flex 10GbE
techysec@reddit
They’ve named that one “Gen 1”. It’s long overdue a refresh.
wpm@reddit
At the very least the should make the management port 10GbE as well. $199 for essentially a 3 port switch is stupid.
techysec@reddit
Agreed, waste of space that port. I’m hoping they might make it PoE+++ (input) as well.
pdp10@reddit
The four SFP+ socket Mikrotik CRS305 came out in 2019 at $135 new. Last year, the sister CRS304 with four 10GBASE-T released at $199 with a very large and nice passive heatsink.
I prefer SFP+/SFP28 for the lower power requirement/consumption and flexibility. While we've been able to practically convert SFP+ to 10GBASE-T/2.5GBASE-T for a while now, it seems like there's little chance of consumer-facing producers like Apple to ship SFP+.
JtheNinja@reddit
The problem with SFP on stuff like Apple products or basic DIY motherboards is it needs a dongle to work with lower end RJ45 gear. A 1/2.5/5/10 RJ45 port is plug and play with someone’s all in one modem/router combo they’re leasing from their ISP, but can still also support 10gbps in higher end setups that want that
Apple has an interesting additional sitauation in that the Mac mini and Mac Studio don’t have separate IO panels on the chassis, it’s a single block with IO cutouts machined straight into it. Which means if they wanted a custom order option for an SFP socket instead of RJ45 they need an entirely different chassis shell just for that niche custom option. Which is probably why the Mac mini’s custom-order-only 10gbe option still uses RJ45. The Mac Pro already has dual 10gbE ports though, maybe a future revision will replace one with SFP+ or SFP28. Presumably anyone with a low end 1gb or 2.5gb setup only needs one port anyway, so they can just use the other one that’s still RJ45
70rd@reddit
You'd think Apple would love the opportunity to sell whitelisted SFP "dongles" for 150$.
Kyanche@reddit
Apple would never. They'd come up with a slightly different form factor that somehow costs less to produce but then charge twice as much. Apple Solar Fiber Unit. $300.
JtheNinja@reddit
You know, that is a good point lol
Fluffer_Wuffer@reddit
You can get an 8-port 10GbE managed switch for under £80 from AliExpress... or £160 from Amazon, for the exact same model.
The crazy part though - when I recommend the AliExpress one to friends and colleagues, they look at with me a glare, my mind-reading super power tells me translates to "you wierdo, you should not buy anything from China"..
JtheNinja@reddit
I’ve been running a $35 ienron switch for like 6 months now. It’s been perfect, 2x SFP+ and 4x 2.5gbE for $35!
pdp10@reddit
These have really plunged in price over the last year or two. The last managed one I got with those ports was twice that cost, and the management features were nonexistent out of the box though there was a minimalist web server.
Nestramutat-@reddit
There's a reason those aliexpress switches are so cheap.
I had a Mokerlink managed switch off aliexpress. Then one day after a power outage, it just wouldn't work anymore. My best guess is the OS got corrupted when the power went out, given it was stuck in "boot" mode, based on the flashcode.
Yes, it was behind a UPS.
Cheerful_Champion@reddit
Agree, that's why you need to pick quality brands. It's not as easy as few years ago, but you can still find quality stuff from China for a price of bottom budget solution available in EU/US or sometimes cheaper.
LaM3a@reddit
Mokerlink is one of the more known Aliexpress brand, which ones are quality?
bogglingsnog@reddit
I bought a Mokerlink sfp+ fiber module and it just stopped transmitting entirely after a power outage. hmm...
Caddy666@reddit
bought loads of stuff from aliexpress. its ace. why bother paying the american middleman?
Fluffer_Wuffer@reddit
Agreed - I've been doing it more and more.
There was a time when Amazon stocked a vast amount of products from around the world - but it had become a den of dropshippers and scalpers...
reddit-MT@reddit
I wouldn't say you shouldn't buy anything from China. I would say you shouldn't trust any "smart" network device from China. Trust is difficult because it's nearly impossible to prove a device is secure and free of exploits or backdoors. Trusting the designers, manufacturer and supply chain is about all the average person has. It would be easier to trust a completely unmanaged device, but still not 100%.
NoAirBanding@reddit
Yes! I've been looking for an unmanaged 10gbe switch with many ports to be the center of my home network and pickings are slim.
JtheNinja@reddit
I eventually came to the realization that home devices that need more than 1gbps are few. It’s better to get something with a few 10GbE ports for the devices that need it and for uplinks to cheaper 1G switches for everything else. Streaming boxes and smart home hubs don’t need multi-gig and it’s not worth trying to provision one giant switch for all of that.
pdp10@reddit
One or two 10GBASE ports plus the rest 2.5GBASE-T is a common switch configuration now from the East Asian vendors, even in unmanaged form. I think I have two unmanaged and one managed with this port configuration. 10GBASE ports are available in SFP+, 10GBASE-T, or mixed.
future_lard@reddit
Mikrotik?
PitchforkManufactory@reddit
shit, mikrotik has a 25GbE ROUTER for 200$.
It's absurd how everyone else has been taking the piss with this 2.5GbE bullshit, especially on $300+ mobos and consumer/prosumer switches/APs/Hubs.
pdp10@reddit
2.5GBASE-T is a different class from 10GBASE and especially 25GBASE in terms of media options and power consumption.
aminorityofone@reddit
The home consumer demand is very low. The vast majority of people dont need even 1gb. Hell, there is an entire subset of people that only use wireless.
JtheNinja@reddit
My experience is this is nearly everyone except the tech-savvy crowd. Maybe a desktop or game console that happens to be near the router is wired, but that’s it.
Those of us who discuss NICs on reddit are weirdos who use ethernet at home way more than the population at large.
Do_TheEvolution@reddit
careful people who would want 10gbit networking at home..
People often go for classic rj45 cat6a nics and switches.. only to realize how much power they eat, how much heat they produce, how loud fans on switches are, how finicky they can be...
then depending on home its then buying again, this time going sfp+ ports...
GeoffKingOfBiscuits@reddit
There’s plenty of them on eBay
-PANORAMIX-@reddit
Second market…
CheesyRamen66@reddit
Having just purchased an 8 port, I totally agree
elimi@reddit
Cheap like under 100$?
PhillAholic@reddit
Does 10GbE still get really hot?
th3typh00n@reddit
Advancements in semiconductor lithography has improved power efficiency of network hardware a lot over the years.
PhillAholic@reddit
As someone else pointed out, I was thinking of the transceivers.
pdp10@reddit
Transceivers have PHYs so it applies to them. I've always tentatively assumed that it was 16nm ASICs that made practical the SFP+ to 10GBASE-T transeivers when they came out around 2017.
Do_TheEvolution@reddit
Yeap.
Avoid copper rj45 based 10gbit networking if possible... go SFP+ where switches can even be passively cooled
reddit-MT@reddit
The quick way to tell on a given NIC is the larger the heatsink, the hotter it's expected to get.
gotbannedtoomuch@reddit
Maybe if you use transceivers. I've been on 10gb for 6 years with no issues
PhillAholic@reddit
Ah, that's what I'm remembering. Thanks.
Difficult-Way-9563@reddit
I’ve always like Realteks nic chips
halfmylifeisgone@reddit
My driver is from last month. Yours is from last year. Give it a try.
Limited_Distractions@reddit
I've had some pretty mixed experiences with the Realtek 2.5GbE adapters, at least enough to be cautious about spending money on 10GbE and then hanging my hopes on a $10 adapter
halfmylifeisgone@reddit
I have been on a 2.5gbe network for a year now. All my adapters use Realtek chips and I have no issue at all. Network transfer max at 280ish all the time. No stability issue either. Even my Synology is using a USB network adapter without issue.
battler624@reddit
I am 2 for 2 with stability issues on the 2.5gbe adapter.
Same router 2 pcs and it will keep disconnecting.
Connecting via wifi without issues at all.
halfmylifeisgone@reddit
Switch issue?
battler624@reddit
direct to router no switches.
zoetectic@reddit
A good router or an ISP router? Don't rule out router issues, that IS a switch.
battler624@reddit
If I restart the PC and it begins to work normally, wouldn't that rule out the router?
Especially since at the same time, other devices connected to the router via wi-fi aren't having issues?
Even more if I remove the cable connect it to the laptop, it works. remove it from the laptop connect it back to the PC, it doesn't?
& finally, connected it to an intel 10G lan part (server part, running at 1G cuz no 2.5 compatiblity) works fine.
I pretty much ruled out the router being the issue, it could be the cable not being able to handle 2.5G but I tried the cable that came in the box and the one I cut myself and I trust my own cable more than my life.
Zoratsu@reddit
Not really?
It could be a problem that only shows after enough time on the router too.
Considering ISP routers are the cheapest thing you can get that meet their use case, I would point fingers at it on most network problems.
battler624@reddit
I dont really see how the router could be the issue.
halfmylifeisgone@reddit
Could be as simple as a log overflow that fills faster due to the speed.
battler624@reddit
I do not have enough knowledge to understand this properly but this doesn't make sense to me.
Are you saying that if I connect the 2.5g port on my PC to the 2.5g port on the router it would create a log that fills fast and causes the router to drop the connection to that PC? is that even a thing?
Why would restarting the PC fix it? & why wouldn't removing the cable from the pc and re-inserting it fix it?
halfmylifeisgone@reddit
Have you tried running the adapter at 1gbe to see if it's stable?
battler624@reddit
Yup I tried that, unfortunately no.
I tried it from both sides, the PC side and from the router side, still shows up as unidentified network. Sometimes it would regain the connection for a bit and then loses it but its never really fixed until i restart.
halfmylifeisgone@reddit
What's your router model? Let me dig a little deeper to see if I can help.
battler624@reddit
I'm currently using the H158-381 and the same issue also happens on the MC888
halfmylifeisgone@reddit
Still have the 2.5 adapter to do some testing?
battler624@reddit
Its in my motherboard so yes.
halfmylifeisgone@reddit
Motherboard model?
battler624@reddit
x870i pro ice.
halfmylifeisgone@reddit
Try this and report back:
1: Download this from Realtek (not from Gigabyte)
https://www.realtek.com/Download/ToDownload?type=direct&downloadid=4357
This is the latest driver without the power saving feature, which can cause problems.
2: Remove the device in devices manager. Be sure to enable hidden devices has they could be double of the same
3: Restart
4: Install the driver and restart
5: Assign a static IP in your PC and reserve that IP with the MAC address in your router
6: Go into the adapter settings and put Speed & Duplex to 2.5Gbps Full Duplex
7: Use a Cat7 cable. It's not needed, but it will rule out any cable issue. They are really cheap now.
8: Restart router and restart computer
9: Report back when you have time.
battler624@reddit
Thats literally the driver i was using I installed it a month ago
https://i.imgur.com/I04gvsO.png
and I am already using a static IP using the router.
https://i.imgur.com/RJobW5l.png
I tried the speed settings in auto, 2.5, 1gbps and 100mbps all didn't work, currently I have it set at 2.5 funny enough.
https://i.imgur.com/RajfrUo.png
the one thing from your list i didn't try already is use a cat7 cable, but I tried 3 cables, cat5e, cat6, and cat6a all had the same issue. the cat6a one is something I made myself (I ran cables throughout the house and had 70m extra so I made one, 1m)
LickMyKnee@reddit
Been using one of the £5 Aliexpress RTL8125B cards for yonks and it’s been rock solid.
tuldok89@reddit (OP)
All of my Realtek RTL8125B NICs have been pretty much rock solid. Never had issues with any of them. While my Intel i226-V NIC shits itself after every cold boot...the receive bandwidth gets throttled to ~220Mbps. A 10s iperf3 receive test shows around 5000 retries. I have to always restart the interface to let it unfuck itself.
Do_TheEvolution@reddit
Interesting, intels 2.5gbit is famously shitty.
People thought that i226 should fix that but nope, still lot of reports...
Realtek my experience is just that in linux it does not allow higher c-states, making power consumption bit higher.
kostof@reddit
I had a Netgear Nighthawk X6 that couldn't maintain a stable connection to one of these NICs. The "sleep / power save" issue where the NIC seems to shut off after a few seconds of inactivity, then can't restart fast enough to avoid 404s and so on. No firmware updates or driver settings would solve the issue. That router had no problems with half a dozen other devices that had been plugged in over the years. But swapping to a different router instantly fixed the issue. I think the 2.5GbE NICs are simply poorly designed, or non-standards compliant, or something because this is a common enough problem Realtek has a special driver package on their site to try and address it on Windows.
Herve-M@reddit
During a time Linux had a hard time with it but recent kernel helped a lot.
Remember having harsh time with 6.5 kernels, 6.8 fixed it.
pfak@reddit
Realtek has been a mixed bag for decades.
reddit-MT@reddit
Especially their network chips/drivers. You can find many articles that recommend not using Realtek NICs if you want the advertised throughput and/or low CPU usage. But most people do not push the limits on desktop PCs and don't notice the shortcomings. Or if the network drops, they chalk up to Windows and just reboot.
pdp10@reddit
We've had good luck with the RTL8125B, mostly on Linux but even in legacy applications with Windows 7 before Realtek pulled the driver from their website.
JapariParkRanger@reddit
I have had nothing but shit experiences with all 2.5gbe NICS. I had to go with an Intel 550 to get good, reliable support.
That said, the 5gbe realtek NIC on my x870 board has been reliable at 2.5gbe.
mekawasp@reddit
I've had no issues with my realtek 2.5GbE, but I can't say the same for my previous Intel 2.5GbE. It kept dropping speed to 100Mb and had to be reset all the time
panchovix@reddit
I had an Intel 2.5GbE that sucked a lot, intermittent disconnections and such. Realtek 2.5GbE have been working fine so far after some years.
Verite_Rendition@reddit
I fully expect the first revision of these Ethernet controllers to be garbage. But given Realtek a couple of years to refine it in another revision or two, and it will probably be a solid (albeit not rock-solid) consumer networking solution.
Realtek gets their act together... eventually.
PM_ME_UR_TOSTADAS@reddit
Their stuff is so ubiquitous because they are dirt cheap.
Verite_Rendition@reddit
Fair. It's dirt cheap and it works. It wouldn't get very far without both of those components.
LickMyKnee@reddit
Been using one of the £5 Aliexpress RTL8125B cards for yonks and it’s been rock solid.
CatalyticDragon@reddit
Great, but honestly, 10GbE became a standard in 2002 and was already being made obsolete a decade ago.
A basic USB port on an entry level device today supports 10, 20, 40Gbps, or more. And Ethernet in the datacenter is at hundreds of Gbit/s.
So it feels a little strange that consumer Ethernet is seemingly so behind. I'd expect modern motherboards to come with a SFP+ port, QSPF+ on the higher end.
tepmoc@reddit
Because 99% time its overkill and waste of money in cut-throught business where margins are thin.
Regular users barely can even utilize 1G, why they need more? Personally I still having hard time justify even 2.5G upgrade at home even though its no brainer compare to 1G (cost, power consumtion no need for upgrade from cat5e). And there just no use case for 10G unless you love doing projects for big numbers.
chapstickbomber@reddit
1G will at least partially saturate a hard disk so you really need solid state storage on both ends before higher speeds are practically useful.
JtheNinja@reddit
1gbps hasn’t been fast enough to saturate a hard disk for over a decade. Sure, if you break it up into many small files you can. But most HDDs today can do ~200MB/s for continuous read/write, you need 2.5gbe to saturate them consistently
chapstickbomber@reddit
I said "partially" and "practically" for exactly the points you just made. Nothing fundamentally changes workflow wise if you are still stuck on HDD between 110MB/s on 1G vs 200+MB/s on 2.5G. You will be still waiting multiple minutes for that big file.
It explains a lot of why there has been such a delay in moving to 10G. Why bother going to 10G until all the storage you are reaching out for is SSD? But why go SSD if you are stuck with 1G? And why go 10G if the fiber coming in is only 1G? And why deploy 10G fiber if nobody has 10G LAN+SSD?
mrheosuper@reddit
It's chick and egg here.
If you are building new service for consumer, and that service requires multi-gigabit network, that service would be dead, no matter how interesting or useful it is.
I wonder how much would we advance if we had cheap multi-gigabit network.
JtheNinja@reddit
It goes deeper than that, what would most people even use multi gig internet service for? Downloading steam games in 5mins instead of 10mins? A Netflix stream is like 20mbps. Even a Blu ray is less than 100mbps. Meaning even if streaming services boosted bit rates to Blu ray quality, you could still have 5 people doing their own streams at the same time on 1gbps with room to spare for a game download! Most people rarely do large downloads except for game installs, nor do they have any particular desire to either.
Also, people hardwiring devices is rare too, meaning most people can’t meaningfully use multi-gig service without wifi 7 either
The average consumer has no use for multi-gig internet service nor are they particularly interested in the things they could do with it either
mrheosuper@reddit
This is exactly what i am talking. Service like Netflix exist because they fit well in Gigabit bandwidth. A service that does not fit in gigabit bandwidth would not exist at all.
So with the use of gigabit network, we may unintentionally kill some services.
Imagine if we were still stuck with spinning disk, that means all the games and software have to be optimized for the bandwidth of spinning disk. You would ask "Why would consumer need a faster disk, OS and games can run on hdd just fine".
Windows Vista is an example of this. The OS itself is not that bad, it just required too much hardware to run smoothly, and the OEM usually put it on barebone machine. So Vista died quickly.
JtheNinja@reddit
Again, you can fit 40 Netflix streams in gigabit bandwidth. You can fit almost a dozen BLU RAY QUALITY streams in gigabit bandwidth. Gigabit consumer connections is not why Netflix uses the resolutions they do, that is chosen for their own internal cost saving. They could quadruple their max bit rate and almost nobody would notice (the connection issues, or the quality boost lol).
It’s not that our stuff is sized for gigabit, gigabit WAN is almost laughably overpowered for anything most people do. Game downloads are the only common consumer activity that saturates gigabit for more than a few seconds, and most people only do that a few times a month or less. Most households would never notice the difference with 300/300 instead of 1000/1000.
xternocleidomastoide@reddit
Consumer-level wired networking has remained remarkably stagnant.
Wired ethernet has a weird trajectory, that is not shared by most other parts of the semiconductor industry.
This is 10Mb was a thing forever. Then briefly it jumped to 100Mb. And then 1Gb has been a thing forever.
It's mostly about the difficulty in extracting high transmission rates from the existing cabling infrastructure. Since all the wired ethernet cabling laid out through the years is not easily upgradeable.
CatalyticDragon@reddit
It's so weird. The amount of data we generate is so massive compared to 20 years ago but we still expect people to connect to the routers, servers, and other machines at the same speed as 2002.
FluffTheMagicRabbit@reddit
The gigabit networks put in 20 years ago were massively overkill for basic use at the time. They're still overkill for the most part, try and saturate a gigabit link with average hardware, you'll struggle.
Even shifting things between my server SSD storage and my PC SSD storage it doesn't saturate the gigabit ethernet I've got. The limiting factors are the processing overheads and SSD cache sizes, not the network.
ChoMar05@reddit
Saturating even 10 GBit isn't that common. Sure, modern NVMEs can do it and some consumer NAS can use NVMe drives as cache, so there might be a use case, but even with your average write cache of 250 GB thats full in about 2-3 minutes on 10 Gbit. Hardly something that warrants the investment costs of fiber. And generally you have the infrastructure problem. Usually you aren't going to wire your whole house with Fiber, even if only because that would require you to have Fiber on every device, game console, TV, Wireless AP etc. It's pretty much overkill. Even 2.5 Gbit consumer Ethernet is pretty much fast enough for what it's supposed to do.
CatalyticDragon@reddit
Someone always comes along with the "640k is enough for anybody" argument.
Maybe you can't think of a reason to have fast networking but I can think of many and would really like my network to be at least as fast as my SD card reader.
The situation is so ridiculous that even WiFi (7) can be faster than 10GbE.
And we aren't talking about fiber. 10GBASE-T runs on cat8 copper cable.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
This isn't the same argument at all. Nice to know that this was your big hangup though.
So tired of people like you always needing to tell everyone else how much they're "holding back" society.
1mVeryH4ppy@reddit
So? How many people are like you? Is the number significant enough for mb manufacturers to care?
Max speed means nothing if the uplink cannot saturate it.
You said SFP and QSFP. It's about fiber. Unless you wire all your devices using DAC cables.
CAT-8 doesn't exist. Not even CAT-7.
ChoMar05@reddit
10 Gbe is faster than an SD Card. 10GBASE-T is 10 Gbe and also runs way below cat8, depending on cable length. It's 1.2 Gigabyte per Second and for comparison, an UHS-2 SD-Card has theoretical 312 Megabyte/s and a SATA-SSD has 600 MB/s. WiFi speeds have always been theoretical. And while an access point with 6 or 8 antennas might have high speeds, no single client will do those. Which is OK since WiFi is also a shared medium, whereas ethernet has been non-blocking full duplex point to point for decades. And, as you have pointed out, 10 Gbe is an old standard that is only now, slowly, starting to reach consumer speeds. Because the need wasn't there - which is why 2.5 and 5 got implemented after 10 to have something in between with a better cost/benefit relationship. Will it be enough forever? No. But technology development in this area has slowed quite a bit and it'll probably be enough for a while. And I'd really like to hear some of those reasons where you need more than 10 Gbe in your home network. Now, I can saturate my 10 Gbe links because I do have an NVMe cached NAS. But it's not something I do that often. The cache is there because I do install games on the NAS, and the spinny disks aren't too good at sending that data.
lintstah1337@reddit
USB-C 40Gbps passive cables are limited to up to 2.6 ft or under 5m with active cables so your comparison is stupid.
99.9% of consumers use Ethernet and no one is building houses that wire fiber as a standard for network cables for rooms and IOT.
Frexxia@reddit
Most consumers don't use wired networking at all
FluffTheMagicRabbit@reddit
I'd be interested to what actual network performance you could pull out that USB cable after processing overheads and interference losses with any sort of length. For the cost of one good high performance USB cable you can get 100m of ethernet.
Ethernet is used because it's cheap, resilient and low barrier to entry.
shugthedug3@reddit
10gbps is hardly obsolete.
CatalyticDragon@reddit
Tell me more about what home users need.
shadowtheimpure@reddit
Home network standards always lag behind, we've only in the last few years started seeing gigabit+ to the home becoming widespread that would necessitate moving from gigabit to 10GbE.
PM_ME_UR_TOSTADAS@reddit
It's not about home network devices lagging, it's that 1GB is more than enough for 99.9% of users. On the contrary, WiFi standards get adopted immediately because WiFi is still not on par with ethernet in UX department.
shadowtheimpure@reddit
That is why they lag behind. It's only recently that there was any possible benefit for the average joe to even consider LAN speeds higher than gigabit.
Yebi@reddit
It would be used by about 3 people
stonktraders@reddit
Yup, those 3 guys in r/ServerPorn and r/DataHoarder
malastare-@reddit
This is so true. You'll understand my shock when I also struggled to find any motherboards that supported fibre channel. Am I expected to continue to use SATA for my drives when there is a faster technology that's been around for over 20 years? Or I should use iSCSI to connect to all my SANs? I mean, the motherboard doesn't stop me from using DC input, I only need to find a custom case and build a few thousand dollars worth of voltage regulation equipment in order to let my PC use direct DC power, so why make it so hard to use SFP+ and Fibre Channel?
/s
Seriously, this is a downright silly take. The number of people in the world running hardware that regularly handles >1Gb of traffic is just a small slice of the population. The number of people running switches in their house that can handle sustained 2.5Gb is even smaller.
Then let us consider:
And then we'll make some generous assumptions about the chance that the same person who has all this money floating around is going to have an actual use for SFP. Maybe they don't care.
...because there really aren't really any applications that regularly use 10Gb/s in residential use. I'm playing with the idea of using it to connect my POE switch (that handles 2 APs and a few clusters of devices) to my router not because I need the bandwidth (I can see that I don't) but because it would open up a pair of RJ-45 ports that I would be far more likely to use than the SFP ports.
.... and I feel like a jerk wanting that, because I know how frivolous that sounds and how rare that situation is in the world, and how little of my life it will actually change.
People don't need fibre channel because most people don't run SANs. If they have a NAS, most people don't care if it takes an extra 200ms to load a photo. Usually they don't notice because most people aren't using wired intranet access. And if they do, very few of them get close to exceeding the performance of Cat6.
So what purpose would the general public have with SFP+?
Electric_Bison@reddit
Get the masses to adopt 10gbe and then the desire to swap to sfp for “future proofing” or upgrading later will happen.
But honestly its already kind of happening, just slower than you (or I) would like
Electric_Bison@reddit
Get the masses to adopt 10gbe and then the desire to swap to sfp for “future proofing” or upgrading later will happen.
But honestly its already kind of happening, just slower than you (or I) would like
a12223344556677@reddit
Here's a nice thread I found on this topic.
TkachukMitts@reddit
99% of office networks are still on gigabit Ethernet at the desktop level, and mostly only those with significant needs to move around a lot of data are on faster than gigabit in their server rooms. This would be a huge step up for basic networking if it’s widely adopted. Less than 10 years ago I was still encountering 100mbps switches regularly, even in large businesses.
Data Centers are a different beast altogether.
loozerr@reddit
Good luck finding a 100m long USB cable.
KayakShrimp@reddit
Looking forward to getting a few. I ripped out a couple AQC107s that gave me nothing but trouble in favor of RTL8126 5GbE. The latter works much more reliably for me. Which is somewhat unexpected, as it used to be Realtek that always gave me problems.
Caddy666@reddit
took me ages to find the right firmware to get the aq107s to work reliably, but once they got there, they've been great. if you've still got them lying around try flashing them.
KayakShrimp@reddit
I flashed both with the latest firmware and used the latest drivers. I also played around with the usual driver settings for these and tried some older FW versions as well.
Unfortunately I think part of the problem might be an incompatibility with my Ubiquiti 10 GbE switch. Others have reported similar issues. The cards are cheaper, so the switch stays.
barkappara@reddit
I'm pretty sure that in practice you can run 10Gbe over short runs (10m or less) of CAT5e or even CAT5.
AlphaFlySwatter@reddit
Internet provider says no.
alexandreracine@reddit
Motherboards manufacturer will now sell for 50$ more.
SparkysAdventure@reddit
too bad we're gonna be charged $100+ for it by board vendors
bluegum69@reddit
What's is the use of 10gbe if most homes only have 100/10 mbs speed?
kyp-d@reddit
I can get 8Gbits/1Gbits for 24€/month, 8Gbits/8Gbits for 50€/month
mana-addict4652@reddit
Damn I pay double that for 0.1Gbits lol
80avtechfan@reddit
LAN speeds e.g. for NAS.
Jesburger@reddit
1 person out of 100 000 has a home nas
80avtechfan@reddit
Yep, probably if that even. But no idea why you would want to discourage or dismiss the introduction of cost efficient 10Gbe hardware products.
As Fibre speeds approach 1Gbe (even the 3rd world country we call the UK) get rolled out to more and more homes, then 2.5Gbe capability starts to increase in relevance for WiFi 7 APs and devices that move large amounts of files around the network. Those people that are able (and choose) those packages I'd bet would rather have their provider by the bottleneck and not their home network or client devices if they can avoid it.
Lalaz4lyf@reddit
And?
elimi@reddit
8gb+ internet is out there, I'm on 3gb already for the past few years.
Complete_Potato9941@reddit
Been on 8000/8000 for a while now. LAN is all 10Gbe (has been since 2013) and my NAS is 25Gbe. Also I don’t know anyone on 100/10 the lowest I have seen in the last 5 years is 300/75
Raining_dicks@reddit
Connect to local devices?
bluegum69@reddit
Aww ok thanks
Capable-Silver-7436@reddit
can i buy one as an add in card?
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