Any other moms stuck abroad with kids because their partner won’t let them move back home after separation?
Posted by Aviva2022@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 101 comments
I’ve read some threads on here about people stuck abroad with kids and the emotional toll it takes on them. I’m a 34 year old American mom and my husband and I lived in Europe , mostly in Austria while I was doing my PhD, it was supposed to be a temporary thing and our plan was always to move back to the US. He kept extending it, we had 2 kids and then he said let’s move to Czechia ( where’s his from) so he can finish up his projects and with a deadline of a year and a half we’ll move. For background, he always worked in Czechia and would come to visit Thurs-Sunday. I agreed hesitantly, really didn’t want to move before moving again but I thought this could fast track everything since he’s involved in some investment project in Czechia and for him traveling every week to Austria to see us took a lot of his time. Pretty soon after we moved, things blew up, he started cheating on me, and even with months of couples therapy it led nowhere. After months of fighting , he consented for me to move back to Austria with my kids. Apart from the devastation of the ending my marriage, and loneliness that I’ve experienced over the past years , I am so afraid . Legally, I’ve been told by many different lawyers, I can’t move back to the US without his consent. Which he’ll never give unless we get back together, a manipulative power move on his part. I’m spiraling, I can’t imagine living the rest of my life in Austria, my goal is as always to move back. Even when living abroad was hard, this common goal of ours always got me through hard times. Now it feels like everything I’ve sacrificed for him has been in vain- I am not closer to accomplishing my goal than 8 years ago when I moved to Europe. My question is- are there others out there who experienced the same and were able to somehow move back home? Would the courts in Austria favor my decision to move after the kids have been living with me there for awhile? ( we’d still have joint custody, he wants to see his kids as much as possible, I don’t think I can more than 60/40). Thanks for all your responses on advance.
LatterAssistance1107@reddit
Why not play the fake good wife for just a bit to get him to sign a relocation agreement? Meet with a lawyer who will be able to explain the terms to him without sounding aggressive. I just did that. The right lawyer will have your back and can help you create a strategic plan. I am in the USA but both my still husband and I are European. After 12 years I need out.
Dana_rk@reddit
Stay with him, move to the states and leave him there. That’s what I did.
Last-Watercress6854@reddit
I got stuck in US
pumpkinspice214@reddit
Me too I’m stuck in us and I can’t stand it anymore
AwayAdvisor@reddit
Where are you from?
pumpkinspice214@reddit
Fl USA
AwayAdvisor@reddit
Me too. I hate it here
Aviva2022@reddit (OP)
From where?
xx_Arcon_xx@reddit
This is very sad, but why?
mickael28@reddit
u/Aviva2022 if you think that moving back to US with the children is fair for your ex
Would you then be ok if you moved back alone and he kept the children? Would that seem like a good deal to you? If it doesn't, why would you think it's ok to prevent your children a relationship with their father?
LookingForward1868@reddit
I am not a mom but a dad also stuck abroad with my kids. I made the mistake to move close to my wife's family in US. The abuse started shortly after we bought our house and had our second child. My wife felt empowered and even cheated on me. I would love to go back to my country in Europe but I am staying for the kids. Every day I try to come out with a way to get out and still see my kids a good amount of time.
coastalkid92@reddit
Not a lawyer, but I know people who have repatriated but the sacrifice is custody time for at least one parent.
You may find you have a tough time winning approval of a judge to relocate your kids to the US, especially if your ex is proven to be an involved parent and with your kids having significant ties to Austria/Czechia over the US.
Aviva2022@reddit (OP)
Do you know moms who repatriated but left their kids? I don’t know if I could do this…
LookingForward1868@reddit
I know a mum who went back home to Europe without the kids. She followed her husband to California, gave up her career because her degree was not recognized in US, started a new business in the US to integrate herself. She loves kids in general. When their marriage soured, she stayed for a few years on her own to be close to her kids and then went back home in Europe without them. It must have been heartbreaking for her and I cannot imagine what she went through because I know she loves them. Being alone in a foreign country can be devastating.
coastalkid92@reddit
I know one mom who did it due to some family health stuff. Her kids spend the summers with her and then she does Christmas back in Europe with the kids.
EnvironmentalTap6158@reddit
Please, send me a DM. I am in Austria in the same situation of you... living near Graz....
trappedinitaly@reddit
I'm stuck in Italy. We were not even married. I just want to go back to my home country. He left me after 3 weeks after the birth of our second son.. how can i leave my children they are 6 months and 3 years. What is this fucking law that a father is equal to a mother.. of anyone wants to talk. I just want to cry
National-Shine9270@reddit
Wow. I'm so sorry. I can't imagine how isolating this is. It's hard enough to raise kids with no family around. Add to that being in a different country. Is he a citizen of your country too? If not, I would leave with the kids.
pumpkinspice214@reddit
I want to talk, I’m also stuck and I hate it, it hurts me every single day
Ill_Nectarine_9428@reddit
I’m with you. It’s hell. Feel free to message me
TheGitGudest@reddit
Im American and I've been stuck in the Netherlands since 2019 when my son was born... I was never married to his father, never lived together either, ans he abandoned me when I was pregnant and popped back up when he was 3 and I was about to leave. Sued for Authority and visitation and won, and he cancelled more than 75% of his scheduled visits, paid €0 and it took me 3 more years to save the money to go to court for him to pay €168 per month... he makes over 5k AFTER taxes (ya his yearly salary is over 100k...)
I cant even move 20km away without this pos' "permission".
Its sick. The hague convention is regularly used to abuse mothers here by deadbeat or narcissistic/abusive fathers of their children.
pumpkinspice214@reddit
I’m American and I’m stuck in the USA and I want to move back to my families country but I can’t bc of the hauge convention. It’s horrible that they make us stuck like this. Absolutely horrific
No_Animator2857@reddit
Expat or not, shared custody, especially with an abusive ex, changes the whole trajectory of your life.
My ex knew I didn’t want to live where we live. Always promised we would move, but never made an effort to find a job anywhere else.
I am now stuck living in a city and state I do not want to be in. This will be the majority of my working career and my children’s whole childhood being in a place I don’t want to be and changing the life I wanted for them and for myself.
All of this happened because I had kids with the person he presented himself as and not the person he actually was.
Aviva2022@reddit (OP)
Same . It feels like I’m living someone else’s life and just filling my time with things to do, instead of working towards a goal. Please share if you have found a way to get over the yearning to go back home, I am not able rid myself of nostalgia
pumpkinspice214@reddit
Me either, it’s very hard. The yearning is absolutely horrific.
No_Valuable_9100@reddit
So true, the biggest challenge is not only being stuck away from home but suffering post separation abuse with and ex keeps using the child to continue the abuse. Shared custody is hell, we need a way out.
HopelessResearcher@reddit
I feel you. I'm in a somewhat similar situation. I followed my ex to Australia we had kids, and the relationship turned out abusive. I left. The relationship has caused tons of damage to me and I'm only just starting to recover (I left about 3 years ago). I can't return to my home country, I can't return to Europe so I'm stuck here. While I'm grateful for what Australia has given and keeps giving me it's just not the place where I can envision my future. Unfortunately, my ex will never give me full custody voluntarily ( even though he has no interest in the kids and hasn't paid a cent of child support )and I can't afford legal proceedings.
Aviva2022@reddit (OP)
This is awful, and it sucks that you’re going through the same thing. How do you deal with accepting your situation? I am not able to cope with it at all. That’s why I keep entertaining the idea of getting back together with him just to be able to go back home .
pumpkinspice214@reddit
It’s hard for me to cope as well :( I think about it constantly
RAINSpsychology@reddit
Can you divorce him in the US?
Aviva2022@reddit (OP)
According to American fam lawyers I could divorce him once we’ve resided in the US for 3 months. Hell only move to the US though if we stay together and I get him a green card, so he can see his kids as much as he wants without legal trouble no matter what happens. I’ve thought about pretending to get back together just so we’ll move but atm things are so bad between us , I am not even able to do that. I have to get stronger so I’m not a trainwreck everytime I talk to him.
HopelessResearcher@reddit
It helps to know that nothing is finite, things and circumstances do change and kids eventually do grow up. So while I can't move just yet it may change in the future and if not nothing will stop me from doing it once they all grow up. Therapy and moving out of the area help a lot too. I guess I'm just trying to make the best out of my situation, do things I enjoy and that are meaningful to me. It also helps to visit places that look like home ( in my situation it would be pine forests) and talk to other expats
Also, if you haven't already, consider getting in touch with local dv services they may be able to offer you some tailored advice and help as well as potentially connect you with a counsellor who can help you navigate all of that
pumpkinspice214@reddit
I am also stuck in the USA because of this, it’s horrible and I’m very sad too.
lilaevaluna@reddit
Since he’s not actively involved, could you threaten him to leave the kids with him full time and while you go back home? That could make him agree to you leaving since he probably wouldn’t be ok with that
dealwithitxo@reddit
If you don’t plan on living in Australia again what’s stopping you from just taking the kids and leaving for good? You’d be doing something wrong in the legal eyes of Australia but if you don’t return does it matter?
HopelessResearcher@reddit
Because it's all much more complicated. For the start, I can't just leave. I need either permission from another parent or full custody. Another parent has a right to issue a travel ban for our kids and if I do manage to leave, there are legal ways he can about to extradite them. To make things more complicated, I currently have nowhere else to go. I'm a queer person and there were some developments within my home country in recent years making it unsafe for me to return. I also simply have no financial means to do it. Lastly, while Australia might not be my home it is and has been a home for my children so I do have to take in mind their needs.
Catladylove99@reddit
That’s international kidnapping, and those charges will follow you abroad. You can’t just do that.
Anonymous30005000@reddit
There are agreements between countries to forcibly return children that have been kidnapped by one parent. But it is a wonder whether her husband would even report her.
pumpkinspice214@reddit
Yes I’m stuck in the USA because of custody and I want to move back to Israel where I lived in my 20s. But I’m stuck here even tho I grew up here I don’t want to live here. It’s horrible being stuck somewhere you don’t want to be. What ended up happening?
Personal_Tank4671@reddit
I am stuck in nj bergen county very expensive area got divorced in 2024 April. Ex husband locked us here and in Agust moved to Texas. I fought first for relocation during divorce Judge denied. So we settled down. But now after he moved to to Texas after 7 months he bearly show up for visitation. I went back to court. After I filed a motion to relocation the asshole ex husband came back emidetly and pretending he lives in ny now. He only have 15% of costody visiting. And 50% costody school decisions, doctors, activities and so on. I am primary residence costody. I am broke leaving in this country no family support and working full time IS not possible can't afford nanny so expensive. My monthly pay is not high. Let's see.
Magicalcloudiee@reddit
Anyone stuck in Canada?
Ill_Nectarine_9428@reddit
I’m stuck in Canada. My ex-husband is an abusive drug addict who cheated on me most recently when our youngest baby was only a few months old. Trying desperately to get back to the states
Magicalcloudiee@reddit
Have you tried applying for refugee status? I honestly enjoy being in Canada despite being in a very similar situation, it’s not ideal but I know it will get better soon I’m hoping
charliethecrow@reddit
Hi there. I'm in the same situation but in a developing country. It's been ten years of hell that has slowly gone up in temperature.
I live in the US in my mind. My house is designed to look as American as possible and I keep American movies and music playing in the background. It only mildly takes the edge ofqff the very painful longing for home. The sadness of a failed marriage to a terrible person has nothing on losing cultural familiarity. I did not see any of this coming.
The worst part is knowing what my kids are missing out on.
I have a nine year old daughter with Autism and ADHD and a seven year old son. She has been diagnosed with alexia and can't pick up the native tongue (despite being raised around native speakers her entire life). My son also very minimally speaks the language. They are both in extremely expensive private French schools (second language here) that break my back financially. Academic assistance for special needs kids doesn't exist here so most just drop out of school.
He knows all this but doesn't care. His child support is very low but to him it's enough. He thinks that if I want nice things for my kids that's my problem. He was not like this for the first ten years of the relationship. Five years after moving here he decided to become a drug addict. He keeps us here simply because it makes his parents happy.
I left him last year and filed for divorce. I've recently gotten full custody and am finally allowed to get both their American and native passports without his permission. The next step is to get a medical certificate from her pediatric psychologist that we need to leave so she can get proper academic assistance in the US. My lawyer seems to think we have a good shot at relocation because she is still in first grade because I can't afford to put her in an English private school. The poor kid is exposed to languages that she just can't pick up but she's perfect capable in English. It's a disaster of a situation.
These courts don't allow kids to relocate unless they need something their country doesn't offer. Their priority is child welfare and then parent-child relations. If the child is fine where they are, and leaving takes them from a parent and culture, they'll keep the kid. Screw the non native parent's mental health. Forget the fact that one parent is a dangerous drug addict. Never mind the grandfather with dementia trying to drive the kids around in his car.
If I were you and it's still possible, I'd get back together with the jackass and try to lure him back home. Act so in love despite the cheating. Sprinkle is some jealousy. Sign up for the long con.
How are you now? Have there been any new developments?
Zestyclose-Berry-134@reddit
I'm in the same boat. I wonder if he was ever actually planning to move back with me....
Comfortable_Elk8149@reddit
Yes! I am stuck in New Zealand with a 2 and 3 year olds. I Left the narcissistic psycho sociopath ex who keeps tormenting me through the laws! How is this possibly happening?!
Traditional_Put_1018@reddit
I’m stuck in NZ too with a 5 and 10 year old. Ex husband always said we’d move to the UK (where I’m from) and we even went back on holiday and looked at loads of houses, plus scouted around at the job market. Then we got back to NZ with me thinking we were returning to make plans to move and he completely changed the tables on me. Announced in front of his parents that he’d never sacrifice anything for me and we were never going to move to the UK. He knows he has the law on his side and being a kiwi, he’d have the kiwi courts and judges on his side, and I’d be deemed “insane” for wanting to take my kids out of “god’s paradise” so I’ve no hope in hell. So I feel your pain and if you ever want to talk, please feel free to DM.
Wayfaringbutterfly@reddit
I found this thread because I have a friend who is stuck in Australia with her 2 year old daughter that she had with her husband. She is a US citizen but moved there for him. Now it's a pretty bad situation, she can't get citizenship, can't drive there, can't get a job because no one will hire her since she's an American, living in a crappy house and has no friends because she can't go anywhere. And her husband is kind of a jerk. She and her husband also have her husband's stepson living with them...and the mom of that kid is not a good person. I'm trying to find what help I can for her to get out of that situation but I fear there is nothing. She has called every shelter, the US consulate and embassy, and has contacted every place she can possibly find and has not gotten one bit of help even though it is domestic violence. I'm sorry you're stuck...I'm sorry there's not an easy answer. I'll be following this thread in case there are any paths to follow.
UntamedPixie@reddit
I so so feel for you! After 25 years living an expat life in USA we’re finally moving back to my home in UK. But this is after 25 years of false promises, moving within the US but never once looking for a job in Europe, rarely visiting my family but requiring me to see his. But after three kids, stalled career, shrinking social life, I was desperate. So I told my husband I am moving back with or without you. Outwardly I showed him I was confident about moving back, Id restart my career, reconnect with old friends, have a better life, but inwardly I was scared. Mostly I was scared he’d say well go then. I contemplated leaving him the kids and then having them for the school holidays but I knew Id be the bad mom if I did that. But you know what? Within 3 months he miraculously got a USA job that allows him to work in UK. And our marriage is back! And I’m finally returning home! How about that?
PedroGringo78@reddit
Same kinda thing has happened to me. I moved to my ex's small French island, La Réunion, in the Indian Ocean. The plan was to stay here for 2-3 years max. At first we were a bit lost here but overtime she started finding herself again back in her own country whilst I have never really settled in here. At the start the language barrier, continuous lack of job opportunities, never really connected with people so no real friends, tried groups etc but with no success.
After having our son she said that we need to stay longer because she wanted him to go through at least primary school here. So when my son was 7 we split and I've had to continue as normal but by myself. Over 1 year on and I still don't have the financial stability I would like, no support network, I still don't have people I truly connect with. My heart doesn't belong here, a small island, not much to do, far from everything, expensive and expensive to travel. The only thing my heart is connected to here is my son. I would like to move somewhere new and start again, my ex has said that she would understand if I did and she feels guilty that I'm trapped here! As idealistic as it sounds I don't know if I can just upheave and leave my son and go without seeing him for months on end.
Latter-Ad1761@reddit
I married a foreign man in a foreign country in the 60's, attended university, attained my degrees and am writing a book about how he turned out to be a completely different person than I married, a womanizer and emotionally cruel. I managed to leave the country after 18 years and raise my children in the U.S., but have met women here at home who were not so lucky. My professional ex never sent, or had to send alimony or child support, healthcare costs or college costs for my children, just the welfare money his country sends to every child each month until they are 18.. I had to go back to school, take out student loans to get my U.S. licenses to practice and work full time. I have heard the worse stories from women married to israeli men and French men who lost their children to abusive husbands. I am a therapist and started my book about marrying abroad in the 60's but i was too depresssing and too close at the time, but I am ready to do it now so young women like ourselves are prepared for the legal issues. I would talk with your consulate and see if they have a suggestion. Talk with your family at home and find out how much support you have in the U.s. Join the American Womens Club and hear about other women who have been in your shoes, our shoes, and how some of them navigated this thorny question.
Ornery_Lecture_1840@reddit
I am curious of your stories from a French man/American woman standpoint? I am in this exact situation with 4 young children. I have just paid an advocate, but I have to wait until she returns from vacation for my initial meeting. My husband keeps saying he is going to tell the kids I abandoned them when he gets full custody bc “no French judge” will side with an American mother.
Latter-Ad1761@reddit
I wonder if it isn't part of our experiences to warn young American girls going abroad and falling in love that they are entering a more authoritarian paternal culture where the courts give more rights to men in general. Looking back on my own experience, I think a prenup outlining shared custody in both countries with continuing child support would have been a godsend. Young women should also know that a husband having mistresses is socially acceptable, which I find gross. In your own case, become active immediately in the American Womens Club and get to know your local consulate or ambassador. Sometimes they can be of great help.
Last-Watercress6854@reddit
I got stuck in the US until youngest turned 18. How old are your children? Can you afford a good lawyer?
bag4lyfe16@reddit
Me . Well I’m stuck in the USA (I’m originally from here) but I want to move back to another country my family is from and where I lived for many years before returning here and meeting my ex husband. Im very sad about it and I think about it all day. I’m stuck here for another 8-9 years. It’s horrible. I’m 36 and I don’t want to waste my years here.
maman--@reddit
Yes I'm in this situation too :( I'm talking to the consulate for my country, DV organizations and legal aid. And they all say i cant leave with my baby without his permission or a court order. He knows he has me trapped and I feel so depressed and helpless for ever trusting the wrong man.
Parking_Football_268@reddit
Being in the US gives you tons of options. It's not like you are in a hostile foreign country. Please have your family help you with finances and get out of this horrible situation and move somewhere else in the US.
2022wpww@reddit
It works both ways.
But I know plenty of custodial parents feeling stuck in their child’s resident country and the non custodial parent not seeing them.
I think with the father wanting and active in his children life you would need to explain to the judge and justify how it is better for the children. The family courts anywhere are mostly interested in the children needs and their need to have contact with both parents, to have familiar surrounding, schooling etc
How old are your kids, where were they born. How are you planning for their father to continue the physical contact?
I have know of parents who have manage to win in a case but it is based on what is better for the children, such as moving from unsafe area to a safer one, one parent not partying and the other having better job prospects.
Aviva2022@reddit (OP)
My kids are 2 and 5 and have American citizenship . I would agree to any custody agreement if he’d let us move back, I’m not trying to keep our kids from him, just wanna go back home. But in order to prove America is better for the kids in a court , I’d have to probably have a relationship with an American and say that moving there would be a way for the kids to have an intact family home again . A really good job offer would also help.
Smooth-Wear-7645@reddit
I wouldn't say about a new partner. I thought about that as well. Just get a good job offer and argue why it's better there. Your dirtbag ex could move as well but he probably is loving the control he has over you. Just fight it and try in court to relocate. At least you would know you tried and can forget about what ifs. The thing people don't understand is that these partners who control the mother, they end up okay in the end, but the mother usually ends up struggling, controlked, the rest of her life. It bad for kids to watch.
Smooth-Wear-7645@reddit
Don't get discouraged by comments here. It's not about the parents or what dad wants. It's about what is best for kids. If you think US is best for kids, fight it, and try in court. Follow your heart. If you think your idea is better life for kids, you are the mother, fight for them and what is best. You'll regret it otherwise if you don't try. PM me. I've been stuck 5 years in Europe. I should get my relocation case heard this year. You never know what judge will say. I have heard with USA, Europe, Australia and Canada, all are very strong countries for arguments both ways, so any can win. Fingers crossed.
Consistent-Owl-3060@reddit
Was he cheating with someone on his work trips? If yes, then I’d put this forefront that his job allowed him to cheat and spend multiple days away from the kids while you were providing. If family is available to support you 100% back in America with housing then start applying for jobs. Since the children are fairly young maybe a visitation schedule can be agreed upon where he has the kids in the summer, etc.
Dig up all the dirt you can and good luck! My heart feels for you and your situation!
Importance_Fuzzy@reddit
I feel like I live in a free range prison! I’m in a very similar situation but of no fault of mine or my wife’s. I am an American, have been living in Argentina for 12 years. I got married to a Colombian woman here in Argentina who has an autistic kid from a previous marriage. The dad is a total deadbeat who does nothing, especially doesn’t pay child support or visit his kid. Long story short. When my wife divorced from her ex he gave her a letter of permission to travel anywhere in the world for any amount of time with their son. Fast forward 4 years: my wife and I got married, and within two months she got pregnant. We decided to go visit her family in Colombia before she couldn’t travel anymore due to pregnancy. We spoke to the father showed him the round trip tickets and he was ok with that. 3 days before the trip, on a Thursday of a 4 day weekend,we received notice by police courier that the travel permission had been cancelled. Now, 4 years later, we have a 4 yr old daughter together, have been married for five years and have not been able to travel anywhere outside of the country as a family, much less follow through on our plans of moving to the USA where all my family is. We have been in the court system for 4 years fighting to get anything, child support, travel permission, or the nullification of his paternal rights. He has been ordered to pay child support but doesn’t, he’s declared himself insolvent due to lack of income, however, he is employed gets very good pay, but his employer is in Uruguay, so the courts can’t prove his income or garnish his wages. He doesn’t come see the kid, has done absolutely nothing for him! His last communication with her: “ You will love only where I allow you to, and I will never give you any money.”
We have changed lawyers three times, and tried everything we know to do, but the court systems are so slow, they are notorious for taking literal years and months to respond to petitions etc.
I’ve been treating this kid as my own, clothing, feeding, making sure he has the therapies and treatments he needs (not easy at all in Argentina).
We don’t know what to do, neither of us are from Argentina, both kids have the option of moving to 4 different countries with full citizenship, yet we are stuck in Argentina because of a psychopathic asshole that will stop at nothing to show how much he hates my wife for having divorced him after he cheated on her.
3 members of our small family of four are stuck here because the father of one member wants to be an asshole. It’s completely unfair and inhumane.
Aviva2022@reddit (OP)
This is insane. He puts all his efforts into revenge and doesn’t even see his own kid… I Puls getting a lawyer from an American law firm with a branch in Argentina speed things up? It seems like the system is just against us and there is nothing to do but accept it. Make sure the kids are bilingual and since they’re old enough to legally decide where they want to live, immediately move .
Importance_Fuzzy@reddit
It is absolutely insane… he doesn’t give a damn about the kid, just hates her! We have begged and pleaded him for years to have at least some time with his kid, but in his mind, he would be giving her a break from having to take care of him (he’s autistic) and thus would benefit her. I haven’t thought about getting an American law firm, that might work!
Alostcord@reddit
So, you did or did not complete your PhD?
Do you have a custody agreement yet?
Are you divorced yet?
Can you go on vacation with your children to the USA?
LeneHansen1234@reddit
>Can you go on vacation with your children to the USA?
Careful. If you are suggesting taking the kids on vacation and then decide to not return this could very well result in losing custody. The USA are a contracting state of the Hague Abduction Convention. If Op stays after the vacation without consent of the other parent this will likely considered an abduction. It doesn't matter if the children are US citizens, it's the law of the country of habitual residence that is applicable. In Ops case Austria.
It's understandable that Op feels tricked and is now stuck, unable to move home, but the reality is the kids are not only hers but the father's too.
Alostcord@reddit
My questions were asked in a specific order and OP hasn’t answered.. so I’ll refrain from speculation.
You are reading a lot of things into questions that I asked. Well, actually only one.
LeneHansen1234@reddit
Yes, maybe I read something into your question you didn't intend. It's a common idea for a lot of people, just take the kids and run. I know one personally. It didn't end well. Just misery for everyone involved.
So, why did you ask the question? I'm genuinely curious.
Alostcord@reddit
What I said when OP answered
https://www.reddit.com/r/expats/s/0WWvn6Qdva
Aviva2022@reddit (OP)
Im one formality away from getting my PhD. We’re not divorced yet, I’m moving to Vienna w the kids in 2 weeks , we have an agreement of how we’re going to share the kids. And yeah I can go on vacation to the US. I would not kidnap the kids and stay there, I know what repercussions this move would have.
Alostcord@reddit
Good the education part is almost completely.
You have an agreement in place so that will be your guide as to what you can or cannot do, at least until your divorce ( if it happens) is final. Remember, divorce is always a negotiation. So if it comes to that .. negotiate everything with you and your children’s lives at the forefront of your thinking. (Ie, I negotiated getting full custody, if my ex remarried. As I could not have more children, but he could). It may seem strange to some, but it was important to me, and within short order, I had full custody and he had as much visitations as he wanted.. which in time also dwindled. One has to know the person they are dealing with.
Is there anything in that agreement concerning job opportunities for either party in a different country? Considering you’re both “internationals” and expats, I would think that needs to be addressed, prior to divorce ( again if it happens).
Honestly, if you and he can come together keeping the kids as the highest priority and not “your and his feelings”.. I’ll venture to say you can come together keeping an agreement together long term.
Sometimes, the best thing to do is wait….and the path will become clearer.
You’ve got a really big move ahead of you, and you and your children will need time to seattle in which can take time.
I asked about possible vacation back , because that maybe just what all of you ( especially you) need to get a better prospect of how you will move forward.
These things are hard and emotional. Keep a clear head. Remember you fell in love with this person, maybe you can find it back, maybe not.. but life can be messy and the journey fraught with dips and curves.
You’ve got this!
Humblebrag1987@reddit
Bullshit. Grab your kids and get on a plane. You think US state department gives a flying fuck what Austria or Czechia thinks? Especially if they are citizens already/naturalized/born here.
Aviva2022@reddit (OP)
I wish it was this way . Meanwhile I’ve gotten to know some people who did this and lost custody of their children because the US is part of The Hague Convention
Humblebrag1987@reddit
You're not stealing your children, you'd be fleeing abuse. Go to an embassy and consult with someone.
Blue_butterfly888@reddit
Why can't he visit them in the USA if he's not even going to be living in the same country? This is crazy to me. Get a better lawyer.
Maru3792648@reddit
Spoken like a true American…. Full of ignorance and suggesting a crime. Congrats
Humblebrag1987@reddit
South American* you ignorant fuck. Any law that subjugates women should be broken and ignored. Or did you not catch that part ?
sabraheart@reddit
So get back together. Move to the US.
And separate after x amount of months.
By then, it’s too late
intotrains@reddit
OP you have my sympathies for a tough situation.
If you’re based in Vienna, maybe you can reach out to this verein for a support group.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DI-_TRLtCcg/?igsh=MWg0cjkxaXZtN3Fqdg==
Aviva2022@reddit (OP)
Thanks
WadeDRubicon@reddit
Yeah, so was ours until she decided it wasn't.
Sorry, no luck on my end either. Feel free to DM if you want to cry, pull out your hair, etc.
Independent-Syrup-85@reddit
No kids her thank God, but in the same scenario. He always wanted to live in DE until we got back to the States for a job offer of his. Now it is a "I don't want to live there anymore." well thanks.
Aviva2022@reddit (OP)
I always thought home is a person and not a place , but it’s just not true…. Especially once your person becomes unbearable.
lesllle@reddit
Super common. I know someone who had to pretend to get back together to get out. I've also seen people get permission via the courts, but it was a battle. Then after she won the Father took her back to court, but luckily she won again. It's really inhumane.
Missmoneysterling@reddit
This is what I had to do, although not an expat thing.
Aviva2022@reddit (OP)
Can you send me a dm?im not able to send you one
_Jope_@reddit
My friend had a sort or pre nup where they agreed she'd have full custody of the kids if they decided to have them - §bc she heard so many horror stories of women being stuck in foreign countries after giving birth. She's so happy she did it
ThisAdvertising8976@reddit
Unless the prenup was done in the country they reside it might no be anything more than a stack of papers.
Rustykilo@reddit
Are your kids American? And did you talk to lawyer in where? If I were you I ask those wife of our military members that are overseas. Search them on the Facebook group. Tell them your story, they most likely can help you. Kids gotta be American though.
ThisAdvertising8976@reddit
The military experience is 100% different than OP’s. Regardless of where stationed they are US citizens and all it takes is a single call to military police after an argument (or the threat of sometimes) and non military parent and children are on the next flight out of country.
Lefaid@reddit
In my experience, this does not matter.
NumerousCarob6@reddit
Did you ask your lawyers if you can abandon your kids?
Even if you move away "anyways" there's no way he can get back at you in America? He's gonna have to employ embassy and extradition process or some shit, you can basically ignore court ruling from Europe. ( however I am not responsible if you do end up in prison in Austria)
22amb22@reddit
my heart goes out to you ❤️ your kids will become adults someday and when that happens i suggest moving at that time. maybe some healthy, boundary-driven conversations with your kids about where they may someday end up can ease your feelings about staying there for the rest of your life
meshyl@reddit
Yes, unfortunately I know plenty of people who are stuck in a foreign country because of marriage and kids.
It's best to talk to a lawyer about your options to move to the US with kids
meshyl@reddit
Yes, unfortunately I know plenty of people who are stuck in a foreign country because of marriage and kids.
It's best to talk to a lawyer about your options to move to the US with kids.
meshyl@reddit
Yes, unfortunately I know plenty of people who are stuck in a foreign country because of marriage and kids.
It's best to talk to a lawyer about your options to move to the US with kids.
kitanokikori@reddit
You can ask in /r/LegaladviceGerman but the answer is going to be the same as before - you need him to agree. I hate to be harsh, but they are not "your kids", they are both your kids, and the father of your child has the same rights you do in this regard.
Fit_Caterpillar9732@reddit
Why would a European court assume you have more rights to your children than their father?
ReddRepublic@reddit
This is not uncommon, also on the other side of the pond. Perhaps you can find a support group?
lesllle@reddit
I found the support groups were just people the same kind of thing and often was frustrating because it highlights how common and oppressive the systems are.