Anyone that actually knows how to code, we are the new COBOL programmers
Posted by spookydookie@reddit | ExperiencedDevs | View on Reddit | 68 comments
We're gonna be the old guys that actually know how to code and clean up all this vibe coding bullshit.
IGotDibsYo@reddit
I think I still know how to do actual COBOL
Mammoth-Clock-8173@reddit
It’s column 7, right? Or is that Fortran?
IGotDibsYo@reddit
Both! Slightly different though, for COBOL it’s the indicator area, in Fortran I think that’s where code started?
fonk_pulk@reddit
You mean everyone who started before 2020 or so?
spookydookie@reddit (OP)
Do you actually know how to code?
BobbaGanush87@reddit
Pssh, I bet you can't even name 3 primitive types
ILikeBubblyWater@reddit
Do you?
Fallingice2@reddit
why does this sub sound so circlejerky?
NoCardio_@reddit
The people who got tired of /r/cscareerquestions came here and made it /r/cscareerquestions.
Fallingice2@reddit
ah I c
mothzilla@reddit
I know it's a meme right now, but is anyone actually putting "vibe code" into production? All I see is people talking about it.
annoyedatlife24@reddit
Didn't someone tweet out how developers are irrelevant now and they'd made a monetised website 100% using AI and within ~half hour or so it was hacked
Agifem@reddit
Give him credit. It took two days. And it was hilarious. Please make more.
mothzilla@reddit
Allegedly. Not sure if it was satire though.
jeffcabbages@reddit
Microsoft is trying it with copilot for future versions of dotnet. Their PRs are public and I get a sick childlike glee watching the AI drive the engineers insane.
mothzilla@reddit
Yeah I saw that yesterday. But I wouldn't call that "vibe coding". That's an AI trying to make PRs, which is slightly different in that it's not human typing "make the background pop" into a prompt. Although, thinking about it, maybe that's splitting hairs. Hmm.
jeffcabbages@reddit
Yeah, I don’t see a difference at all. The input is the description of a bug, the output is code. Instead of an engineer pasting the code into an IDE, it goes into a PR. The engineer then leaves comments to fix issues instead of writing a message directly to the GPT, and the PR gets updated.
It’s quite literally the exact same process except with GitHub acting as a wrapper around the chat box.
Agifem@reddit
It would be impressive if AI could get the job done.
imalurker420@reddit
I think in that case it’s the PR commenters that are essentially vibe coding
Doiq@reddit
Adult toy websites?
I’ll see myself out.
Fantastic_Sympathy85@reddit
Yea I think we know, but first we have to get through mass redundancies, ceos thinking they know better, and then the rehiring process. I reckon about 5 years.
spookydookie@reddit (OP)
Companies are already starting to regret going too far on AI.
etherwhisper@reddit
Can you give examples?
TangerineSorry8463@reddit
lmgtfy "Klarna hires back support team after replacing with AI"
Purple-Cap4457@reddit
Lmaoooo what a bunch idiots 😀😀😀😀
TangerineSorry8463@reddit
Actually they probably were financegaming and reducing staff to show higher whatever metrics in preparation for IPO or sale.
caffeinated_wizard@reddit
My company is just starting to push AI down our throats ahead of a potential sell to inflate perceived value. It’s a mess.
theKetoBear@reddit
"WHY DO WE OVERPAY SOFTWARE ENGINEERS ANYWAY ALL THEY DO IS CLICKETY CLACK ON THE KEYBOARD ALL DAY!"
It's always baffled me how many millionaires pay me and yet can barely wrap their head around the product that makes them money . They understand how it can make them more money but most of them don't understand why what they sell is good or desired.
Theoretical-idealist@reddit
Their ego just takes as much credit as possible which with the power of ignorance can be close to 100%. It happens to me after technical meetings where I feel like I had an idea we arrived at together, but I can see it so o guess that’s ok.
TangerineSorry8463@reddit
I literally told my boss that he pays me more than both he and I pay for ChatGPT, so I'm glad he values my opinions higher than the robot's.
TangerineSorry8463@reddit
As a 7 YoE dev, I'm still gonna be using AI. I'm just gonna be writing things like "Give me a Python lambda that takes in following input: input.json , does A, B and C to it, and concludes by sending a message to service X" or "This service needs to be expanded with: Fizz, Buzz, Bar, Boor, Bop. We're only going to focus on Fizz right now. Write Fizz and tests." and not "Create Stripe clone mixed with Tinder for dogs, but you can barter with social media clout"
Fjordi_Cruyff@reddit
Can't wait. I'm picturing myself as one of these old fellas who keep the banking systems afloat with the wizardry of bygone days. With the salary to go with it.
Purple-Cap4457@reddit
😀
thermitethrowaway@reddit
Ooh I should be able to build up a nice nest egg for retirement.
ExperiencedDevs-ModTeam@reddit
Rule 9: No Low Effort Posts, Excessive Venting, or Bragging.
Using this subreddit to crowd source answers to something that isn't really contributing to the spirit of this subreddit is forbidden at moderator's discretion. This includes posts that are mostly focused around venting or bragging; both of these types of posts are difficult to moderate and don't contribute much to the subreddit.
Izacus@reddit
You people really need to stop with this low effort shitposting.
bitspace@reddit
Do you define "shitposting" as "anything I disagree with"?
Because that's a different definition of "shitposting" than mine.
kernel_task@reddit
No, that’s not it at all. I agree with this post, but it’s still a low effort shitpost. We all hate vibe coding and think AI slop is bad.
poetry-linesman@reddit
I like vibe coding - I’m a professional senior FE dev.
AI is not at all “slop”, you’re missing the bit if that’s what your future strategy is based on
coding9@reddit
Yeah I think there’s a big difference between one shotting and merging what AI tools give you.
And using open ai codex, cline, or GitHub copilot’s agent and then iterating as if it was a human on your team in the pr review.
This is powerful, for many tasks I can get a huge head start, or become a better reviewer and get instant fixes towards a better solution
IngresABF@reddit
Hey now don’t interrupt Sir Erudite when he’s pontificating. All posts must only serve to burnish one’s reputation as world’s cleverest boy
Captator@reddit
These are pleasing sentences to read.
Izacus@reddit
> Do you define "shitposting" as "anything I disagree with"?
No, I define low effort shitposting as... low effort shitposting.
spookydookie@reddit (OP)
Vibe code Stripe. Go.
spookydookie@reddit (OP)
I'm waiting...
John_Lawn4@reddit
You are preaching to the choir buddy
enserioamigo@reddit
Yeah it's pretty cringe boomer shit
HolyPommeDeTerre@reddit
Ok... What's boomer about that please? I need enlightenment
htom3heb@reddit
I figure that if our profession goes away (or is massively scaled back), then the same is happening for pretty well all white collar work. Change at that scale doesn't happen overnight, even the internet took a decade. That being said, I see AI as being another tool in the toolbelt versus a replacement - humans still need to operate it and will for the foreseeable future.
poetry-linesman@reddit
No, we will be replaced.
We didn’t hit a wall yet but you’re acting like we hit a wall.
We will be one of the first professions to go.
Whiskey4Wisdom@reddit
I use ai assistants to start a new feature, but need to do a lot of refactoring to get the code where it needs to be. I can't imagine how bad some vibe codebases must be
PixelPhoenixForce@reddit
that may actually be true in couple of years
OkKnowledge2064@reddit
Thing is, good code wont matter for 98% of the usecases if the code is cheaper
nrith@reddit
That’s why my millennial boss relies on me so much—he knows that no matter how broken shit is, I’ll find a solution.
My mother was a COBOL programmer who was increasingly passed over for promotions in the 90s because she didn’t have a bachelor’s degree, and because she was in her late 40s, but when Y2K rolled around, she’s the one who completely saved her major public utility company’s systems. All of her early-80s colleagues had gone into management and could no longer handle the coding.
Drunken_Economist@reddit
sorry.
soundman32@reddit
I am doing exactly that right now with a 15 year old .net project. None of the current devs have a clue about assembly redirects or what happens when a nuget package update fails. I'm charging them a fortune to use the skills I learned in 2013 (and forgot about by 2020).
iamyourtypicalguy@reddit
It would be funny when a vibe coder prompts the whole legacy code base and the ai would just draft him a resignation letter
jaynabonne@reddit
Have you ever seen Logan's Run, where Logan and Jessica finally get to the surface and meet the old, bearded guy in the library? (Books!)
We're the old guy.
PM_ME_YOUR_MUSIC@reddit
Just vibe coded this. Check m8
ares623@reddit
Now run it
FaithlessnessThick29@reddit
Sorry but you are actually the next switchboard operator.
turok2@reddit
Low effort post, venting, bragging. It's not often to see all three at once!
valkon_gr@reddit
Useless threads like that are not removed, but "general career advice" with hundreds of comments and valuable discussions are removed by the mods.
Ferreira1@reddit
This sub really went to shit huh
Trevor_GoodchiId@reddit
Kinda lose-lose disposition.
They get stuck with gen-ai, there's no feasible way to sust billions of dollars of investments and the market suffers for it.
AGI occurs - no one knows what this world even looks like.
propostor@reddit
Hah I was saying to my team lead yesterday, we're gonna be the old hats who can get shit done without AI.
ResidentSwordfish10@reddit
And.... I've been learning COBOL as occasionally need to interact with green screens.
happypotter93@reddit
touché