Fair deal? Give me 1 hour of flight instruction, get 3 hours free in my Cessna 182

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nascent_aviator@reddit

Why on earth would you do this? A C182 burns more in avgas in an hour than most instructors charge. Much less three hours.

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Apart_Bear_5103@reddit

Pretty sure the assumption is they pay for their own gas.

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nascent_aviator@reddit

Even then it's a terrible deal on OP's part. And unlikely to have many takers- CFIs have to eat lol.

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m5er@reddit

If I were a CFI, I might jump at the chance to teach my students how to land using your 182.

I would call your insurance agent and float the idea with them first.

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woohoo789@reddit

Is OP saying students could fly it though? I don’t see that being mentioned. Just the instructor for personal use

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phxcobraz@reddit

Uh no, that's not a good trade. A freelance CFI in your airplane is usually around $50-60/hr. I bet your 182 is like $200/hr wet to operate if you include all your expenses.

I would just pay him the $50/hr or whatever for instruction time, and you can lease the aircraft back to him for the wet or dry operating cost to do his own flights/training in.

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KCPilot17@reddit

So ~$40 worth of instruction is worth ~$300 of flying? Math doesn't check.

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Sufficient-Quit-996@reddit (OP)

So you think I should offer more like 2 hours of free use for every hour of instruction? FWIW most instructors charge closer to $70-80/hr. And while personal use of the airplane is valuable to them, I don’t imagine CFIs are willing to pay “retail” since they get plenty of hours paid while instructing. So I gotta sweeten the deal a bit, no?

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Coolgrnmen@reddit

The comments are including fuel. CFIs that are getting enough time without recreational flying would probably just want cash. Just figure a dry-lease rate, pay them cash and offer them a dry-lease rate on your plane.

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KCPilot17@reddit

I would just pay the man/woman for his time. Simple as that.

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UberBrutal88@reddit

Sir this is reddit. Your logic is not welcome here.

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mkosmo@reddit

I had an old CFI who would do BFRs at no cost for some folks... instead he banked favors. He never called his favors with me, but he held favors with some people who could absolutely help him out if/when he needed it.

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davidswelt@reddit

Retail pricing is not so far away from the actual maintenance cost to you. Engine depreciation / TBO and repairs are real ...

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x4457@reddit

You're way undervaluing and underestimating the cost of your airplane. 1:1 is generous.

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pattern_altitude@reddit

How can you afford a 182 but not instruction???

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Urrolnis@reddit

Just wait until you see how they approach maintenance

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Urawizardharry99@reddit

They might have a friend, I have a few buddy’s that are a&p’s, if I bought a plane they said they’d do my annuals for dinner and some beers lol

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Urrolnis@reddit

Oh for sure. Not uncommon at all.

But an owner that can afford the airplane but maybe not the other stuff will start deferring maintenance quick.

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Creative-Dust5701@reddit

Remember if a plane doesn’t get used it develops weird issues, so perhaps the OP is trying to make sure the plane gets used when he’s not flying it.

I still get instruction from my CFI he has 30k hours and every time we go up i learn new things

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ValeoRex@reddit

Most CFIs would jump in with you just to be able to log high performance time at their basic rate. Offer them $50 per hour in your aircraft and they’ll be there ready and waiting every day! Anytime they can instruct in a non-flight school aircraft they will take it. Makes scheduling much more consistent and easy.

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_-Cleon-_@reddit

You can afford a 6-figure aircraft but paying a few hundred for instruction is going to be tight? I, uh, don't think you've done all the math on this one.

I know this because I'm also doing the math and thinking about a Skylane, but all my calculations come back with the result "no f-in way, dude." 😁

Remember, buying the aircraft is the cheapest part of owning a plane.

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PutOptions@reddit

I dunno about setting a rate. Just pay the instructor as you go. Another instance you may wish an instructor to take it up is if the plane is sitting. Planes do not like to sit.

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CluelessPilot1971@reddit

Will your instructor get your plane wet (you cover the fuel) or dry (they do)? That makes a huge difference.

What happens if you have more need for instruction than your CFI has a need for a plane?

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iwonder___@reddit

This. Is. Dumb.

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Ric_in_Richmond@reddit

What's your insurance carriers think of leasing out your plane for flight instructors use?

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Time_Bus_3497@reddit

Or you could just lease the thing to a flight school and use the money from that for lessons…

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aftcg@reddit

Bye bye pretty Cessna

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ltcterry@reddit

I’m perplexed. Are you aware what freelance instructors charge? Are you aware what a 182 costs per hour? What are your record keeping plans?

This seems silly, foolish, and complicated. Just pay a good CFI a solid rate and be done with it. If he or she occasionally flies your airplane that’s generous of you.

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NDBlover@reddit

For a hungry cfi, absolutely

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Stonkpilot@reddit

If youre trying to save money, this idea is the opposite of that. Operational cost is not being taken in consideration

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myreditacct998@reddit

Is this a joke? You are getting completely hosed in this. Just pay out of pocket for the instruction or his time to fly the airplane.

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Actual_Banana_1083@reddit

Why? None of this makes any sense? Financially etc? You saw your a low hour pilot, so that means you are already a licensed PPL? Are you doing your CPL in the 182? Are you using for anything else? Are you willing to pay all the extra insurances and maintenance for it to be abused by students?

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FlyingShadow1@reddit

I've had students offer me their planes to fly around on if I put fuel in it.

1 hour of instruction for 3 hours flying that is just ripping yourself off.

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KaanPlaysDrums@reddit

The more I try to process the stupidity of this the dumber it gets

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Infamous-Ad-140@reddit

I will also add if you have time in a 172 a 182 is a quick transition unless your flying ifr and the entire panel is new to you

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Glad-Length-2468@reddit

I would establish a good relationship with a CFI first and then make this offer to them. Do you have to do it? No. But if you establish a good relationship with a CFI it would certainly be a generous thing to help them out and they’ll prioritize you imo. Most would just be happy to have access to a plane for the cost of fuel to do something besides teach all day.

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Infamous-Ad-140@reddit

If they use it for instruction your insurance would triple

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atmatthewat@reddit

And someone starts paying for the 100hr inspections

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2009impala@reddit

Thats a terrible bloody deal. Even dry that doesn't make sense. Who are you getting instruction form? Dave Hadfield?

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General174512@reddit

Just do it the regular way of hiring someone to teach you. It's so much cheaper

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BraboBaggins@reddit

1:1 is more than fair

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rayjay130@reddit

You have your ratio backward. That math ain't matching!

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Key_Slide_7302@reddit

As a CFI, I would be fine with you paying me my hourly rate to instruct you in your airplane.

If you were feeling generous and would be willing to let me fly your airplane and I cover the fuel cost? I would jump on that without hesitation. But I wouldn’t expect you to offer that to me for doing the job you hired me to do.

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hagrids_a_pineapple@reddit

This is the same as paying $800 an hour for flight instruction in my area…

So for 5 lessons they can take your plane across the country?! Crazy

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InvestigatorShort824@reddit

Where I live, an hour of airplane rental is worth somewhere around $200. An hour of flight instruction is worth about $75.

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rFlyingTower@reddit

This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:

I’m a low time pilot. I’m thinking of buying a Cessna 182 and had an idea. If I offered a CFI free use of my airplane in exchange for teaching me in it and occasionally flying it out to me (if I’m somewhere else), would that be a fair deal? I’d want there to be some ratio, like one hour of teaching/helping me = 3 hours of free use (just to keep things reasonable). The free use time could be whenever I’m not using the plane.

Seems like a good trade for CFIs looking to build hours. But CFIs… LMK what you think.

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