Seasonic’s next-generation Prime PSUs to will try to stop connectors from melting
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zuperzo@reddit
Really too bad that only Seasonic's most expensive series is getting this, when all the series need it.
katt2002@reddit
The market is obviously targeted towards people who use 5090 with no concern about spending, peasants don't need this.
1mVeryH4ppy@reddit
Sometimes I wonder if nvidia colluded with PSU manufacturers on the 16pin connector. Otherwise who would upgrade their PSUs with 10-year warranty.
Jeep-Eep@reddit
Nah, nVidia just flat out ignored literally decades of electronics design best practices.
katt2002@reddit
Literally OceanGate 2.0
1mVeryH4ppy@reddit
Innovation at its finest /s
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
it seems, that this bullshit all goes back to nvidia wanting to use a tiny connector for their unicorn pcbs as a starting point:
https://www.igorslab.de/en/nvidias-connector-story-eps-vs-12vhpwr-connector-unfortunately-good-doesnt-always-win-but-evil-does-more-and-more-often-background-information/
shitting all over everyone else and trying to make it a standard.
it seems, that everyone else hates it. consumers of course hate it, graphics card makers hate it.
psu makers? well yeah selling some more psus is neat, but having to possibly be part of a big recall is not fun and that is what should have already happened and i'd argue, that they have lots of reason to hate this fire hazard as well.
keep in mind, that nvidia could have pushed safe reliable connectors like an xt90 standard at 40 amps, so 480 watts per connectors, or xt120 at 60 amps. and that would require new psus or a bit more complex adapters possibly, until people get fully new psus.
that is sth, that psu makers probably would have liked a lot.
but a fire hazard from nvidia? yeah that probably isn't fun. it probably isn't good marketing to see der8auer tear out a connector, that melted in place on the psu side with a foot on the psu.
also nvidia in generally doesn't give a frick what any powersupply company would think or do.
nvidia already hates their closests graphics card making partners to the point, where they made evga quit.
powersupply makers? yeah they don't even consider entertaining doing anything, that would benefit powersupply makers lol.
katt2002@reddit
All the extra protection layers, PCB, software costs for a damn connector.. much brain
Blandbl@reddit
Considering the non-adoption of atx-12vo I doubt its the PSU manufacturers.
jj4379@reddit
Given how nvidia have been trying to softly intimidate reviewers does it really surprise you?
Strazdas1@reddit
But you just use the adapter and dont need to upgrade the PSU anyway?
tiradium@reddit
I mean kudos for them for trying to address this but the root cause is still unresolved and they are literally making the "dumbest" part of the computer more expansive.
lordofthedrones@reddit
Watercool the connector. Issue solved.
TDYDave2@reddit
Or, just buy AMD until Nvidia fixes their problem.
Stellarato11@reddit
I’m doing that either way. Fed up from Nvidia and I am really surprised the amd gpus gotten so good. Really glad I changed.
IggyHitokage@reddit
Some of the new 9070 line are using this awful connector too, glad there are options outside it though.
JuanElMinero@reddit
Namely, both the Sapphire Nitro 9070 + XT models and the AsRock Taichi 9070 XT.
Unfortunate their highest end SKUs use the less safe connector.
b_86@reddit
For 300-something watts it should be safe and it's what it should have been rated for. It's at 450W+ (4090 and 5090) when it starts turning into a housefire hazard the instant one of the pins gets slightly less resistance in its circuit than the rest and those cards should have been used two but NOOOO IT HAD TO BE PRETTY.
nuked24@reddit
A. Tom's writer had a stroke on the title B. Overtemp and over current monitoring per wire is neat, guess we're stuck with this dumpster fire then.
Allhopeforhumanity@reddit
Just use this power supply, plug it into Der8auer's forthcoming Wireview pro for a layer of redundancy, and pray there isn't some other flaw in the 5090 that leads to them bursting into flames. $2,000 (MSRP) for the GPU, probably ~$400 for this PSU and ~$100 for the Wireview; the future of high end gaming has arrived!
Traditional_Yak7654@reddit
The 16 pin connector is an absolute abortion of a design, but there are a few ways you can "tame" a 5090 without losing too much performance. The method I chose was to just put a power limit on my 5090 so that it wont draw more 450w. Its outrageous that I needed to do so in order to feel safe, but the performance hit was minimal at least.
Positive-Bonus5303@reddit
i do this with all my cards as they get ridiculously loud otherwise.
JudgeCheezels@reddit
What in the englund is that title?
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
please stop tom's hardware.
can you please stop writing utter nonsense, when you don't have a clue about any of this.
NO, a graphics card does in fact NOT create unbalanced loads on power rails (note the rails here btw).
a graphics card has a single 12 volt block, that the nvidia 12 pin firehazards feeds into by the nvidia 12 pin fire hazard spec it HAS to be a single 12 volt plane and it can't be separated as buildzoid pointed out.
and the psu has ALMOST CERTAINLY a single 12 volt rail. it CERTAINLY has a single 12 volt rail feeding a single 12 pin nvidia fire hazard connector.
if tom's hardware is talking about the 6 connections in each 12 pin nvidia fire hazard as if each is a "power rail", then we are jumping FAR FAR FAR out of the actual definitions used in regards to psus specifically, so wtf is going on here?
so a single 12 volt rail is feeding the 12 pin nvidia fire hazard and because it is seperated FOR NO REASON into 12 individual pins, so 6 power connections, the garbage fragile shit can easily melt on either side at the connections themselves, where the plastic melts first in the cable side and not the psu or graphics card side. why? because the plastics on the psu or graphics cards side of the connector has a higher temperature, that it can take.
it is quite rare, that the wires themselves start to melt, unless again tom's hardware wants to redefine what "wires" means here and instead of it being the actual wires, that go from one connector side to the other, "wires" here now means the connectors themselves, which given how they phrased it, it certainly SHOULD NOT mean.
of course the article doesn't mention whether it does amp sensing per pin of the 12 pin nvidia fire hazard.
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reddit_equals_censor@reddit
part 2:
but ignoring the terrible tom's hardware article, yet again....
this is yet another step of insanity in the road of the nvidia 12 pin fire hazard.
we also just got 12 pin nvidia fire hazard adapters, that log data and have a fin in them coming up by der8auer.
der8auer also reported a 0.3% failure rate thus far of the units of his adapters, that he sold, which is catastrophic for a power connector, but don't worry nvidia doesn't care.
so now seasonic is trying to add sensors into the psu to MAYBE, i repeat MAYBE prevent some melting and possible fires from happening.
as a reminder here, power connectors are a solved problem. it is solved everywhere, except for nvidia's insanity, that needs to force a fire hazard on everyone, while not even producing a real amount of fire hazard graphics anymore anyways.
we got 60 amp power connectors, that are as big as the nvidia 12 pin fire hazard. and i mean REAL 60 amps. as in 60 amps sustained with proper safety margins. that is what an xt120 can do.
we got 8 pin eps and 8 pin pci-e connectors, which are fine and safe.
we got the cute little xt90 connectors, which are i think 40 amps, so 480 watts by themselves, which is infinitely more than any nvidia 12 pin fire hazard can carry.
BUT instead of uusing any safe reliable power connectors, we are seeing people trying to tame a fire hazard forced on the industry by an evil garbage company (nvidia), which trippled down onto a fire hazard.
the level of insanity here is beyond belief.
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