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BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)

What bunch of Idiots, This doesn't help Palestinians in any way or shape. They are just making peace loving Pro-Palestinians like myself look bad.

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AniTaneen@reddit

This is the unfortunate reality we live in, and it’s part of a pattern. Take this shooting.

On Wednesday evening, the American Jewish Committee held a reception at DC’s Capital Jewish Museum. The gathering, aimed at Jewish foreign policy professionals between the ages of 22 and 45, featured speakers from humanitarian groups. One such groups, IsraAID, said in a statement that the event “focused on bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza through Israeli-Palestinian and regional collaboration.”

https://www.vox.com/politics/414137/dc-shooting-capital-jewish-museum-terrorism-israel-palestine-motive

Or take the murder of Vivian Silver,

Vivian Silver, a Canadian-Israeli peace activist who went missing during Hamas’s October 7 attacks on Israel, has been confirmed dead, her family have told Canadian media…

Silver, the founder of Women Wage Peace and the Arab-Jewish Center for Equality, Empowerment and Cooperation, had been living in Kibbutz Be’eri, near Gaza, after relocating from Winnipeg in the early 1970s.

In an article earlier this month, the Washington Post described Silver as having spent “her entire adult life denouncing Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, lobbying for diplomatic solutions to the conflict, ferrying children from Gaza to Israeli hospitals”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/11/14/canadian-peace-activist-confirmed-dead-after-going-missing-in-hamas-attacks

And this is the damned challenge that Jewish Israelis, and even Jews globally face. It’s hard to convince people that you can coexist with Palestinians when peace activists are the ones being murdered. We see statistics that most Israeli Jews support ethnic cleansing, and it’s not hard to see why when

Students for Justice in Palestine, the national convening group for campus protests, described Hamas’s killings on October 7 as “a historic win for the Palestinian resistance.” Within Our Lifetime, a New York-based activist group that embraces violence as a Palestinian tactic, uses similar language. University of Pennsylvania students chanted in support of Hamas’s military wing (“al-Qassam, make us proud, take another soldier down”). Prominent left-wing media figures compared October 7 to John Brown’s raid on Harper’s Ferry and valorized anti-Israel terrorist groups.

Perhaps the most relevant case for current purposes is Khymani James, a Columbia student who served as a spokesperson for the campus protest group CUAD. James fantasized about going out and murdering “Zionists” — a loose label that could include, say, attendees at a Jewish networking group in DC.

While CUAD initially condemned James, the group later reversed its stance and issued a statement calling for more violence.

“We support liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance,” the group said. “In the face of violence from the oppressor equipped with the most lethal military force on the planet, where you’ve exhausted all peaceful means of resolution, violence is the only path forward.”

https://www.vox.com/politics/414137/dc-shooting-capital-jewish-museum-terrorism-israel-palestine-motive

And this language isn’t simply limited to the groups that vent their anger at what is unequivocally a genocide.

The BDS campaign came out against the Emmy winning documentary No Other Land, because its producers, who are Israelis documenting atrocities committed by their own state, and using their platform to empower Palestinians, failed to meet their purity test. They called one of the production companies

a blatant example of insidious normalization outfits that strive to promote unethical “coexistence” under oppression.

https://www.bdsmovement.net/pacbi-no-other-land-faqs

Why are you shifting the goalposrs as well? You can still peacefully protest against Israel in the U.S.

Why are you straight up denying something you can easily Google

The US has cracked down against pro Palestinian support in this administration. Foreign exchange students have literally received more than one warning already about deportations/the subject of their research in most Unis in the country.

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860v2@reddit

That’s great but not because they protested, as was claimed above.

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XiaoRCT@reddit

I'm sorry, why do you think students who have done NOTHING yet are receiving these warnings?

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860v2@reddit

Several reasons: anti-Semitism, supporting Hamas, etc. It’s all related to the I/P conflict.

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XiaoRCT@reddit

Do you conflate ''being at the protests'' with anti-semitism? Also it's not a mistery why Hamas support seems to be rising, and it's not due to ''oh yeah we do want to kill jews", it's a public reaction to the genocide in Gaza. FAR from a justified reason to deport a student.

You need to be real about what's happening around the world if you want people to be real about the issues confronting Israel. These people are having their visas revoked for absolutely no other reason than simply protesting against Israel's war. There's no reason to sugarcoat it or try to excuse it by making up anti-semitism. Let me remind you as well that, according to the law over there(and this is something I don't agree with), open anti-semitism wouldn't even actually hold legal grounds for these processes.

For fuck's sake, Rubio has literally openly stated the reason is people's relation to the protests.

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860v2@reddit

I'm sorry, why do you think students who have done NOTHING yet are receiving these warnings?

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XiaoRCT@reddit

''students''

and you then point to one guy, who's case is still being evaluated in the US, and you think you are disproving anything

lmao what the fuck dude, how can you be this disconnected from reality

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860v2@reddit

Yes, a student who did something. You claimed this didn’t happen.

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XiaoRCT@reddit

I see, the issue is your english sucks

You see, ''students'' mean a group of people who study. If a group of STUDENTS is being accused of something, and you point out A STUDENT, who might have, you are not disproving the statement

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860v2@reddit

This isn’t a protest.

In the early morning of April 30, protesters occupied Hamilton Hall, breaking windows, and barricaded themselves inside. Protesters unfurled a banner purporting to rename the building "Hind's Hall" in honor of Hind Rajab, a young Palestinian girl killed by Israeli forces. As a result, the campus was locked down and higher police presence was noted near campus; the NYPD and the university said they would not send police in. The administration threatened to expel students who participated in the hall takeover.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University_pro-Palestinian_campus_protests_and_occupations_during_the_Gaza_war

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Theodosian_Walls@reddit

Mahmoud Khalil is accorded due-process -- innocent of the charges until proven conclusively that he did the things in your vague little wikipedia selection.

He was detained without charge. Stop lying.

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loggy_sci@reddit

Peaceful protest is not an issue here. If you are not protesting peacefully then yes there will be an issue.

Peaceful protests do nothing? Hot take.

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Theodosian_Walls@reddit

Protests are by definition disruptive and push the boundaries of civil disobedience.

What you are advocating for is giving the government a blank check to define "peaceful protest", thereby giving them unrestrained power to restrict protest.

Love when people in Finland argue with me about what is happening in my own city.

Who has been deported for protesting?

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times_a_changing@reddit

Your country has gone around and conquered or vassalised every single state on Earth aside from like China, Iran and North Korea and yet you complain when people outside of your country have opinions about what you do. Are you surprised? Did you think that managing an empire would mean that people would just shut up and take it?

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loggy_sci@reddit

So instead of answer a simple question you want to rant at me about American empire? Okay.

lol “every single state on earth!!11!“

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Loving peace isn't stopping the genocide, its still happening, the US is still fully supporting it including sending the weapons that are being used to perform it.

If there is zero movement on this for months and months, the US is still supplying weapons to the perpetrators, and the entire US establishment (not just the government but almost the entire media landscape, academic institutions, etc) is clearly bent on suppressing dissent, even peaceful protest, with smear propaganda and violent police crackdown, events like this become inevitable.

What do people expect when we see a genocide happening right in front of our eyes, which our country is full throated and enthusiastically in support for?

Oppression breeds resistance. The US government needs to step in and stop Israel, at the very least stop shipping weapons to Israel that we know 100% are being used in a cynical campaign of premeditated ethnic cleansing.

This is the shooter's manifesto: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-israel-embassy-shooter-manifesto

I urge everyone to read it and understand what's going on here, this is not a crazy person, its not a false flag, it is the inevitable result of our country's complete and unflinching support for a genocidal ethno-state as it enacts its final solutions to the Palestinian problem. This is not an anti-Semitic attack, it was a targeted anti-Zionist/anti-Israel attack on two direct employees of the Israeli government.

I am not supporting or condemning the shooter here, just trying to get people closer to reality with accurate information. The best way to prevent actions like this is to stop committing genocide in Gaza. This is the single worst crime humanity can commit, and contrary ot the prevailing opinion in these comments that the shooter is insane, I believe expecting people to just let this genocide continue while our country enthusiastically supports it is what is insane.

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bosonsXfermions@reddit

Maybe it is the zios who did the shooting. Everything you get from the mainstream media as to be taken with a bucket of salt. A grain or even a pinch doesn't suffice anymore.

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Nearby-Complaint@reddit

Just a heads up, that is literally a slur

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Zio

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cesaroncalves@reddit

According to the sources of that page, there is a proposed linked by Zionists to make it look like all Jews are Zionists, even if it's not true. So "Zio" does not refer to "Jews".

So the use of a slur for Zionists, is the same as the word Zionist, not what you want it to mean, but what the word actually means. And BTW, you don't need to be a Jew to be a Zionist.

I’m grateful for people like Alex Chalmers. But I’d be even more grateful if he had added, “For my part, the more Zios we have in the Labor party, the better.”

“But not all Jews feel the way you do,” you might say. “Jews who don’t think of themselves as Zionists are now being lumped together with you as Zios, too.”

Even in the sources, we have a Zionist Jew calling himself a Zio, and trying to conflate all Jews as Zionists. Depending on the intent this might be anti-semetic.

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Nearby-Complaint@reddit

It was coined by David Fucking Duke to pointedly refer to Jews. It’s antisemitic.

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bosonsXfermions@reddit

I don't care about being politically correct when they keep on inventing new words to save their behind from defamation and then complain about other people calling them something. What happens when Arabs are called names or Palestinians are called Pallies? Why isn't there a wikipedia page on that. Oh we know why. Because that doesn't serve the purpose of mainstream narrative, right?

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Nearby-Complaint@reddit

Dude, there is a page for it

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Pali

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Pally

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bosonsXfermions@reddit

Compare between z wikipedia page and the other two wikipedia pages you have given.

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Nearby-Complaint@reddit

Pali (not comparable)

(derogatory, offensive, ethnic slur) Palestinian.

Zio (comparative more Zio, superlative most Zio)

(slang, derogatory, offensive, ethnic slur) Zionist, Jewish

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This is a cope! The activity of the great majority of Arabs on social media is limited to the Arabic speaking spaces!!

Regarding Reddit, it is extremely unpopular in the Arab world. Most Arabs haven't even heard of it.

Now we know Israel recruits college students and foreginers from around the world to spread Israeli propaganda.

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PokeEmEyeballs@reddit

You must have been living out of Europe and North America, where vast segments of immigrants come from Muslim majority countries with inherent anti-Israel rhetoric since its very founding as a state.

Add to that networks that actively target TikTok like Al Jazeera, RT and many influencers from these regions, and it’s really not hard to create a strong anti-Israel narrative.

First thing they did on Oct 7 was implement a bunch of denials it ever happened and once the evidence became insurmountable, rapidly shifted the attention to the plight of Palestinians despite 1200 Israelis getting brutally murdered at point blank range and another 250 kidnapped with a majority of the invaders being casual “Palestinian civilians” from Gaza.

All of it was live streamed on HD GoPro cameras, the footage of which was abundant for anyone to see.

When Israel began striking back, they rushed to portray the images of dead children and crying veiled women while convenient omitting the pictures of active militants hiding right under them.

They placed constant denial on the existence of tunnels or terror infrastructure while Israel remained out of Gaza, and when the picture began flowing in, they kept focusing on the impacts of Israeli military activity on the civilians instead of the militants that were living among them or the fact they keep refusing to release the hostages they captured on day 1 of this war.

As the common saying goes: If Palestinians (Hamas affiliated or not) were to surrender and return the hostages, the war could end the very next day.

If Israel just packed up and left, it would only be a matter of time before the previous status quo of endless rocket barrages, fire balloons, attack drones and border incursions would commence again, and there is no guarantee all the hostages would be released either.

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Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit

The voices that condemn Israel on social media are not necessarily "Muslims brainwashed to hate Israel". As there are large numbers of people around the world that hate Israel because it is a genocial aparthied settler colonial state, because they have seen unimaginable cruelty committed against children, the elderly and women etc.

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PokeEmEyeballs@reddit

I’ll have to break down the different terms you are using as common banter.

Genocidal means the state carries the intention of Genocide, IE: the intention to destroy the Palestinian people in part or in whole.

If this was the case, there wouldn’t be any Palestinians left by now. Israel does not go door to door killing random Palestinians at point blank range. It targets those who pose a legitimate threat, which makes this claim false.

Apartheid means it grants different sets of standards, laws and rules to different citizens. In this case, the Palestinians who agreed to join Israel became full fledged citizens with equal rights. Those that resisted through brutal violence were never made citizens and hence are not expected to receive the same rights. These should instead be demanded from their host states of Jordan and Egypt.

The term settler state can be argued to a point as Israelis actively settle lands currently or previously held by Arabs who took on the Palestinian identity. That said, those same Arabs took the land from Romans and Byzantines before them too… and that would have made them settlers too in their own right at some point in history as well.

As for colonial, that couldn’t be further from the truth. Israel never served as anyone’s colony. It was a state made out of necessity by the Jews and for the Jews in their own ancestral homeland.

Prior to that, it was part of the British Mandate for Palestine and the Ottoman Empire before that.

And how do you feel it would yield to better conditions for Palestinians without harming Israel’s security and right to live peacefully?

One of the prominent arguments against ending (American) slavery was that the freed slaves would rise up and get vengeance.

Commonly cited were Nat Turner's "rebellion" and the Haitian Revolution, where said vengeance actually happened.

So what then, if you suppress and terrorize a population to where they despise you to their bones, now you're justified in keeping up that suppression and terror because "letting off would invite 'vengeance' on us"?

None of us have to answer your question, because it is not our problem.

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PokeEmEyeballs@reddit

My point is there is a reason that population is suppressed. They are attempting to win a war they can’t win. They are attempting to regain their lost lands that they perceive as theirs through any means necessary despite not having the power to do so.

And with each attack they conduct, they will get more repressed.

At some point, it may well end in the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians as a whole, and not for lack of trying to make peace with them.

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redsox0914@reddit

My point is there is a reason that population is suppressed.

There is also a reason Palestinians are resisting this suppression, in both violent and non-violent ways.

If the best you can do is insinuate "might makes right" then don't come here claiming to seek "honest debate".

At some point, it may well end in the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians as a whole

And we may also see Israel end up similar to South Africa, despite the valiant efforts of the America ~~First~~ Second puppets in Washington trying to put people in jail for 20 years for daring to boycott Israel.

Anyways, the entire point (which you seemed to miss) was that I don't have to solve Israel's problem to be allowed to criticize what it's doing.

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sheytanelkebir@reddit

Sign and abide by the 1977 protocols of the Geneva convention.

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PokeEmEyeballs@reddit

That means accepting rules that render it impossible to provide security to Israel. The Geneva conventions don’t work in a conflict where militants and civilians can’t be distinguished.

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sheytanelkebir@reddit

It’s exactly what Iraq, France and the uk abided by in the war against Isis.

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PokeEmEyeballs@reddit

They employed very similar tactics. They Ethnically cleansed entire neighbourhoods of their residents and bombed anyone who stayed behind leaving entire cities like Raqqa in dust.

They captured and tortured suspects and didn’t stop from summary executions of many.

RealisticTrain4299@reddit

I mean can't you always make that arguement for anything you want?

Have tried being sad for the millions of palestinians who are starving and the children dying right now of thirst insread of just two random adults in the US?

We just know how the Israeli government responds to these things, just pointing it out before they use it as an excuse to bomb more kids.

We’re not looking at hamas, a terrorist militia band of thugs, we’re looking at Israel, a supposedly democratic country that is currently starving innocent people.

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If they are justifying it or excusing their own actions they have a clear narrative that differs from ''we are openly evil'', which is what we were talking about before.

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860v2@reddit

This has absolutely nothing to do with “narratives”. The claims were that “Israel is evil” and that “Israel needs to create excuses to bomb children”.

Evil countries don’t need narratives or excuses to do evil things. You’re reaching hard.

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XiaoRCT@reddit

>Evil countries don’t need narratives or excuses to do evil things.

That's just straight up wrong, but sure, keep living in your delusional world where ''evil countries'' are openly evil lmao

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860v2@reddit

Nope, even though it’s not a country, just look at Hamas. Perfect example.

You’re just in denial.

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XiaoRCT@reddit

Hamas claims their fight is righteous, it's shocking that you would deny that

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860v2@reddit

That’s their justification. That’s different from “making up excuses”.

Again, you’re just in denial. Your logic doesn’t work.

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XiaoRCT@reddit

jesus christ dude it's like speaking with a door

The point is that they don't think they are evil for fuck's sake, no state, even if it's actively doing evil, openly claims to be evil.

The difference between ''justification'' and ''excuse'' in this conversation is literally which side you support.

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860v2@reddit

No, you’re just babbling because you know you’re wrong.

A group thinking they’re not evil has nothing to do with anything I’ve said. You’re confused.

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XiaoRCT@reddit

>No, you’re just babbling because you know you’re wrong.

Actual delusion. Not surprising, you are so obviously hellbent on your online crusade that even trying to reason with you is impossible.

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860v2@reddit

Absolutely nobody asked. Not sure why you’re telling anyone any of this.

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XiaoRCT@reddit

It's literally just me and you this deep into this conversation, get a grip dude lol

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860v2@reddit

Again, who asked?

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

Nobody is justifying this though.

I mean, just look at the thread, dude. Not exactly hard to find.

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

I have looked, don’t see anyone justifying it. I have seen people understanding why someone may do it, but that doesn’t mean they think its justified.

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

seen people understanding why someone may do it

that doesn’t mean they think it’s justified

Again, come on man.

You haven’t seen the comments about how the shooting is OK because these two people “probably were in the IDF”?

Or the comment arguing that being an embassy staff member makes someone a combatant?

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Jokers_friend@reddit

I don’t know what you want that guy to tell you. Those comments don’t show up to him, and he can understand why someone would do it without thinking that it’s something that should be done.

None of this justifies Israel’s continued genocide towards Palestinians, and Israel - the genocidal and apartheid state - is still not a victim. The two individuals shot, very tragically, are.

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juandebuttafuca@reddit

Did the two individuals work for the genocidal apartheid state?

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Atmoran_of_the_500@reddit

Not how that works. Thats the same line of argumentation that Isarel uses to justify murdering innocents in Gaza and Lebanon, because they are just a regular person working a government job but the government is terrorist or whatever the fuck hasbara say.

This is just bad rhetoric. No different than "you take part in a capitalist society so you are literally just as bad as jeff bezos" type argument.

Plus by that logic murdering literally any American government worker ever would be justified, good luck convincing people to that position.

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juandebuttafuca@reddit

Kinda hard not to take part in capitalist society. Very easy not to work for the Israeli embassy, which lobbies (manipulates) (compromises) a global hegemon for military aid. It's not like these people were simply accountants for what, the Israeli Department of Agriculture. A lot of American government workers are indeed similarly culpable here yes.

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Atmoran_of_the_500@reddit

Kinda hard not to take part in capitalist society.

Still the same logic, plus your options are pretty limited depending on your degree. Plus, once again it's the same rhetoric used by Israel and I don't like engaging in fascistic rhetoric to combat fascism.

Very easy not to work for the Israeli embassy, which lobbies (manipulates) (compromises) a global hegemon for military aid.

This has 2 baseline wrong assumptions.

1-You dont know what embassies do. Embassies themselves do not lobby nor have anything to do with foreign relations (that would unnecessarily put them under the scope of FARA) unless you are literally the ambassador or at that level. Literally 99 percent of embassy work is grunt work like processing peoples documents and dealing with visa applications and shit.

2-This assumes the attacker knew what the roles of the 2 people killed in the embassy were. If they were high ranking people with actual influence and the attacker knew that, its more of a fair game. So far there is no indication of that.

It's not like these people were simply accountants for what, the Israeli Department of Agriculture.

Go get yourself some polsci friends man, that's like almost all of embassy work.

A lot of American government workers are indeed similarly culpable here yes.

1-Good luck trying to not come off as insane to people. You are harming the cause you support.

2-No the fuck they are not lol. Processing visa applications does not make you culpable for the war crimes your country commits.

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juandebuttafuca@reddit

'XYZ says the same thing so it's wrong.' Ok, and they still helped the Israeli embassy, and you trying to water it down to 'government worker' is questionable. Sorry that some cliche peddling redditor finds this 'rhetorically' undesirable. Am I trying to be Master Rhetorician, or point out an obvious level of guilt and culpability for two people? I don't think they should have been killed, but neither were they just completely insignificant employees with no connection to the foreign policy of their employer.

'These people don't lobby, they help the ambassador to lobby.' That there's grunt work at embassies is not news to me. Grunts are necessary for bigwigs to function, so these people still aren't exactly innocent. Is it your view that the Israeli embassy has no role in the destruction in Gaza, or that it simply works on visa applications? 99% of the work of the Israeli Embassy in Washington, DC is just visa applications and people's documents? That seems very charitable to Israel. Source?

The basic role of a diplomatic mission is to represent and safeguard the interests of the home country and its citizens in the host country.

I wonder what the Israeli Embassy has done in the states to safeguard Israel's interests. A mystery indeed!

In your bezos analogy, these people would be like the guys setting up meetings for the guy who runs Amazon's warehouses. No, not as bad as the c-suite guy but still culpable.

Pretty much anyone above 'contracted out janitor' at the embassy is culpable.

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Hatch778@reddit

I mean by that logic 90% of the embassies in Washington are culpable. You can pretty much go down the list of countries and all of them are doing something morally repugnant.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/O8HgnwmFU8 https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/qN6jni1nQ8 https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/ZeA39moUlh https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/NALjk1HroR https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/WaoKEGp2bx https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/NALjk1HroR

Here you go! Cursory skim and found a half dozen easily

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XiaoRCT@reddit

What? None of these comments are saying it's ok or cool

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CastleElsinore@reddit

Excusing violence because "of the Israel lobby"

which is roughly 1/3 of the qatar lobby, and isn't even talking about Israel- its AIPAC, made of Americans and American donations

Plus its feeding into the "jews own the world because money" conspiracy

The shooter literally wrote these things in his manifesto if you think they are unrelated

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XiaoRCT@reddit

You've got to be able to see there's a difference between excusing and simply looking at it's causes.

Please, look up what AIPAC is. ''It's not about Israel'' is insane.

None of the comments you linked even mention Israel lobbying besides one, and even then it's in reply to a post that was already removed by moderation. I don't doubt it was something insane and anti-semitic, but it's been gone and you didn't link to it.

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CastleElsinore@reddit

No, I linked to the comment I meant.

Perpetuating antisemitic stereotypes is _how and why< the shooting happened. Its not an event in isolation

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XiaoRCT@reddit

You linked to six different comments, one of them about one that's removed that yes, probably was anti-semitic If It got removed

These people are still not doing what you initially said they were doing

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ubion@reddit

Those are explanations to possible cause, not justifications

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therevisionarylocust@reddit

Try telling that to a zealot who screams antisemitism to any sort of discussion.

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think-Mcfly-think@reddit

Your second sentence is so unnecessary it wraps back into being a part of the first sentence

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

I don’t think so.

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Love_JWZ@reddit

This event also doesn’t make Israel’s ethnic cleansing and mass murder ok.

But what prompted you to say this? Where did see people getting the idea that it would make it ok?

It’s like everyone is proactively protecting the narrative now that something ill has befallen upon some Israelis.

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

I’ve seen the sentiment on the same topics on worldnews, hence me indicating this for people who may think this further justifies more murders.

I’m glad you didn’t think it was necessary to say, means you’re a good person.

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Naurgul@reddit

It's awful but at least you're getting a taste of how the rest of us feel every day when pro-Israel comments justify child murder and never get banned. What happened to "this is the reality of war; innocent people are expected to die"? Doesn't sound so appealing today, does it ?

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I don't know who writes 'its okay because it's a war'. It's not okay but it is the reality that war has civilian casualties. These things can live without being mutually exclusive...

On the other hand randomly shooting people in a museum/embassy/consulate is hardly a real reality. Do you think we should start shoot random Chinese embassies because of the Uyghur treatment as protest? Random Russians because of the Ukrainian war?

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zZCycoZz@reddit

I don't know who writes 'its okay because it's a war'.

Then

the reality that war (which the current operation being led is a tragedy and shouldn't be resumed) has civilian casualties.

So you are saying it. Its not "civilian casualties" its intentional mass murder of civilians.

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DanDan1993@reddit

Saying "it's ok" and "this is a product of war" is not the same thing...

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zZCycoZz@reddit

Its not a product of war. Its ethnic cleansing under the guise of war.

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DanDan1993@reddit

The ethnic cleansing charges started before Israel even started the first ground OP, so I guess you believe there was never war, always ethnic cleansing?

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No, I'm really not. At least so far; I will retract once the "Gideon charts" operation fully blows which we all know has no real military objectives right now. This isn't a justification but rather how the real world works: in war time civilians are those who suffer the most and it's pretty damn hard to change that, especially when one player isn't a state organized military not adhering to any RoE or code of conduct. Just this week Sinwar JR was "caught" hiding in a tunnel under a hospital with several of his henchmen and a commander of the Jabalya brigade, yet the world will keep talking about how Israel bombed a hospital rather than Hamas systemically using code of conduct as a cheatcode check-list on how to operate. All of this just ignites the fuse to launch the "Israel intentionally murders civilians", when in fact a lot of the times civilians are placed there to be killed by Hamas to accuse Israel of war crimes (while commiting them, get the travesty?).

It "sucks" (small word for the real reality) we fell for the trap of killing a minor hamasnik for numerous civilians and innocent casualties, it shouldn't have been that way IMO, but the lack of criticism towards Hamas using this tactic just fuels this more and it should be called more, as well as Israel striking a single Hamas militant for large collateral.

We can also fuse the west bank situation because it is somehow related, but the status in the west bank hasn't really changed since 7 of October and pretty much stayed in the gnarly position it was. Only Gaza's status radically changed after the launch of "flood of aqsa", so I don't really think the ethnic cleansing accusations has any relation to the WB status.

It sucks to argue in favor of "war has casualties and it sucks, but this is how it works", don't think I'm happy or satisfied this is the situation... But the world is a grim place right now and acknowledging the complexities is important rather than sticking to binary decisions of "hur dur Israel bad Hamas good" (not saying you're in that populace, to make it clear).

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zZCycoZz@reddit

The objectives are clear my friend, its ethnic cleansing and Benny isnt even being subtle about it at this stage.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-implementation-of-trumps-gaza-relocation-plan-is-condition-for-ending-war/

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DanDan1993@reddit

"no real **military** objectives" - did you miss that part? pretty disappointing you fixated on that point.

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zZCycoZz@reddit

That makes no difference in practice, israel is openly planning genocide and pedantics doesnt change that.

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No I don't think that's justifiable. You know like I don't think it's justifiable to kill thousands of random Palestinian kids and say "oops that's the reality of war". That's the whole point I'm making.

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Who's been saying "oops that's war so suck it" every day for the past year then? Has is been my imagination?

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DidijustDidthat@reddit

Not at all these aren't good faith discussions unfortunately

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ScientificSkepticism@reddit

I don't know who writes 'its okay because it's a war'.

My brother, are you actively not reading the comment section, or are you just doing that cognative bias thing where you erase things that don't match your worldview from your memory? Lets see what r/worldnews had to say to the now year out of date civilian death count of 30,000:

Shouldn't have started a war.

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All the blood is on Hamas’ hands and all those that support them.

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In any war a lot of the casualties are civilians. But it seems no one really cares about that, only if the war includes israel.

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DanDan1993@reddit

I am reading, I just think you have trouble and conflate "that's the reality" and "it's ok".

I don't claim these voices don't exist (sadly too much in my country), I just said I don't know who writes them because I am not one of those.

By the way the comments don't celebrate or "it's ok to kill civilians" either. It's just a grim reality. Hamas shouldn't have started it and Israel shouldn't have fallen to the trap of killing hundreds of civilians for one minor hamasnik as if it's somehow changes the situation.

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ScientificSkepticism@reddit

Yes, the grim reality is that Israel is committed to ethnic cleansing.

Here's another grim reality - that's gonna piss some people off.

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RealisticTrain4299@reddit

Tell that to the Arabs that have been shot in the US since last year.

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Since when is Israel the sole arbiter of war zones? This is an asinine argument. People in West Bank and Gaza hospitals and Israeli designated safe zones didn't ask for it either.

Keep justifying/celebrating killing innocents by the thousands and playing victim when the roles are briefly reversed.

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montanunion@reddit

> Since when is Israel the sole arbiter of war zones?

According to what definition is Washington DC a war zone?

> Keep justifying/celebrating killing innocents

Dude you’re the one justifying the killing of innocent people at the Jewish museum of Washington DC by making it about Gaza.

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Naurgul@reddit

I didn't justify any killings. I just said it's arbitrary to claim every person Israel has killed was legitimate because it's in a "war zone" but this time it's completely different

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montanunion@reddit

This did not take place in a war zone and yes legally, it does make a difference as different legal standards apply.

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DidijustDidthat@reddit

Legal

Good one

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think-Mcfly-think@reddit

The things you guys defend while still taking the moral high ground is insane

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Naurgul@reddit

For example?

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vegeful@reddit

The war happen in Gaza. U don't kill a russian in American land due to the ukraine war. Your logic is flaw. The war is across the sea.

getting a taste of how the rest of us feel.

Bro the justification of civillian death in war is in Gaza. Not in US. War always have civilian death. Those who say otherwise should stop talking politic.

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Wolfensniper@reddit

U don't kill a russian in American land due to the ukraine war.

Actually, they do

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vegeful@reddit

Portnov was sanctioned by the United States in 2021 for corruption and bribery under the Magnitsky Act. He was “credibly accused of using his influence to buy access and decisions in Ukraine’s courts and undermining reform effort,”

Obviously high profile people get treat differently. Like bro cmon. If emperor of Japan visit my country i will be the first to kill him as oppose to office worker in Japanese gov during ww2. That ukraine is literally a traitor to Ukraine. You know what happen to American traitor? Get prison max.

The guy on the news is literally a nobody being killed. Do we even know if he is jews or he is a traitot? 🤣🤣🤣

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Naurgul@reddit

But Israel bombs other countries that help Hama's too.

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vegeful@reddit

By helping such as? Shooting missile? Lmao. Then that an act of war bro. U don't just shrug off foreign nation shooting missile to you. If you do, u lose your job as politician.

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Naurgul@reddit

The US and other countries provide weapons and logistical support.

U don't just shrug off foreign nation shooting missile to you. If you do, u lose your job as politician.

By that logic any terrorist strike in US or German or UK soil is justified. Listen to yourself...

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vegeful@reddit

The US and other countries

I don't see the point you making. The Us and other nation did not shoot missile to Gaza.

By that logic

Did i say justified? Maybe you need to translate to your mother language. I say, no politician will not shrug off a missile attack by other foreign nation. Thus meaning the US or UK soil will not allow the terrorist strike. See for example India.

Jesus. You are putting your own word as if its my word. Classic redditor.

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reddit4ne@reddit

Right Irish which means automatically he has 100000x more credibility than anyone from the nauseatingly hypocritical nation represented by your flag has had since WWIi.

Amazing Americans still walking around thinking they have right to make fun of aaaaanybodys flair. Why don't you go watch Trumps conference with the South African president, just in case you thought you had any chance to retain an atom worth of dignity 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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zZCycoZz@reddit

Yep, we know ethnic cleansing when we see it.

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Racko20@reddit

And we also know Ireland was neutral during WWII and accepted almost know Jewish refugees.

Easy to cast stones when you sit on a pretty little island protected by the NATO allies you claim you despise.

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zZCycoZz@reddit

You know you dont have much to go on when you have to resort to WW2 nearly a century ago to find something to complain about. Youll remember the US also turned away Jewish refugees in WW2.

Easy to cast stones when you sit on a pretty little island protected by the NATO allies you claim you despise.

How the fuck do you expect Israelis and Jews to be on your side

There is no side to be taken when people are constantly displaced, when thousands are buried under the rubble, when kids are being shot in the head or have to go through amputations without anesthetics because aid is blocked, when hunger is being weaponized, when territories are being occupied and populations expelled from their homes.

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860v2@reddit

Now do October 7th.

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Pklnt@reddit

This comment encapsulates the pro-Israel mindset.

You guys have been conditioned into believing that somehow it's either saving Israelis or Palestinians.

I do support Palestine, I do not support actions such as October 7.

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860v2@reddit

Nothing says “supporting human rights” like never mentioning the terrorist attack that initiated the current war.

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If I say a man killed his wife because he thought she was cheating in him, does that mean his actions were okay? Of course not. If researchers try to find commonalities in school shootings and discover that many were bullied, does that mean the researchers think bullying justifies school shootings? Understanding how we, as a society, support the development of murderous intentions means we can be better about intervening before anything violent occurs.

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AaweBeans@reddit

I never blamed any Jew. I blamed a genocidal ethnostate that literally admits to wanting to kill BABIES for simply being a certain race or religion or ethnicity.

Get it in your head that you can’t exterminate someone for being born a certain way you fucking nazi.

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throwaway1930400@reddit

That's some Nazi level thinking.

You are delusional

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Atmoran_of_the_500@reddit

Not really no.

Literally everyone has been screaming for a year now that conflating jewishness with zionism by Israel and its supporters would lead to increased antisemitism.

Israel has a duty to its citizens to combat antisemitism.

Who could have thought that cheapining antisemitism as a concept by screaming it at everyone against Israel's actions and tying a genocidal apartheid ideology to an ethnicity would cause people to conflate hating that ideology to hating that ethnicity ?

Certainly not Israel.

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AaweBeans@reddit

dumbfucks like you only learned “nazi = doesn’t like jew”.

Instead of learning that othering, self-victimizing and EXTERMINATING all others based on innate qualities is what made them bad. Get a fucking brain you retard like actually HOLY SHIT. How can you be this fucking stupid?

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ubion@reddit

You are so naive to the Israeli playbook, have you seen their flag?

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myThoughtsAreHermits@reddit

Literally what is the point of this comment other than finding justification and shifting blame from the criminal. So disgusting

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AaweBeans@reddit

Because Zionists are acting like this is unprecedented. I’m showing that it’s a simple escalation that is observed in every other situation like this.

ImAjustin@reddit

You think this 28-31year old and his gf has any say in what israel is doing? Get real man. If you can’t recognize how bad this is, there a real problem here. This shooter didn’t know anything about who he was shooting at, he shot at a space he knew Israelis would be at. Beginning and end

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Logements@reddit

You think this 28-31year old and his gf has any say in what israel is doing? Get real man.

Neither do ICE footsoldiers, and yet I see no shortage of content here hoping for a future in which they're held accountable for their ACTIONS.

If you can’t recognize how bad this is, there a real problem here.

I do recognize how bad it is, they're committing/justifying a GENOCIDE in Gaza, it doesn't get any worse than genocide.

This shooter didn’t know anything about who he was shooting at

Debatable considering he shouted "Free Palestine" before opening fire according to some media.

He shot at a space he knew Israelis would be at.

Not accusing you of anything, but that kind of does sound anti-semitic in a deeply ironic way, he knew Israelis would be in front of US government offices so he shot at people there. What's next, did he accidentally kill some Jews at the bank cause he KNEW that's where jews would be at?

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ImAjustin@reddit

What are you talking about? It was an event at the Jewish museum in Washington DC. Have you read the news?? He didn’t know who he was trying to kill, any person there would suffice since they were Israeli, Jewish or supported israel which millions of people do.

If you’re actually pro Palestinian you should be livid at this because if just reinforced all the negative connotations with the movement and doesn’t help free Palestine and most likely makes any protest even harder

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Logements@reddit

The Jewish Museum in Washington D.C. is literally 3 minutes away from the FBI headquarters.. have YOU read the news, or even looked at a map?

I'm not livid about the deaths of Israeli government officials, had it been random civilians who didn't justify or work towards genocide, THEN I would be upset. The fact is, in a just world these people should already be on trial instead of seeing justice come from the streets.

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ImAjustin@reddit

Seriously??? You’re really playing dumb like that? You know as well as everyone he targeted this event, every witness said he was walking back and forth in front of the venue.

These are low level diplomats that have 0 impact of Israeli policy whatsoever and if you think that “supporting” israel means murder is ok that’s majorly messed up.

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CwazyCanuck@reddit

If it’s rightly called genocide, why is your country supporting them still? Why hasn’t the Leahy law been used to stop all the support?

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pechinburger@reddit

Because AIPAC donates shitloads of money to our politicians, social media platforms are bombarded with pro-Israel spam, there is a rabid Bible thumping population of this country who unconditionally support Israel as part of their religious fanaticism, and the US likes having an ironclad nuclear ally in the Middle East.

Blatantly fucking wrong lol

noun

That doesn't make them anything less than civilians:

BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)

I suspected that it was done by the usual suspects, but there's no Allah akbar or any Islamic chants.

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SaneForCocoaPuffs@reddit

The problem here is the attack was at a Jewish Museum. I mean the attacker might as well have shouted “Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism!!”

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Cuddlyaxe@reddit

Because like some of the anti Zionists really are anti Semitic

It's the problem with today's culture wars that we lose all nuance. The truth is that its perfectly possible to be anti Zionist without being anti Semitic. But at the same time it's also fairly common for people who are anti Semitic to claim to simply be anti Zionist. Or for Anti Zionists to fall into Anti Semitic rabbit holes

But ofc no one has use for that nuance. Zionists claim that all anti Zionists are anti Semitic. In response anti Zionists will almost reflexively defend basically anyone claiming to be an "anti Zionist" even when they stray well into anti Semite territory because "anti Zionism is not anti Semitism"

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CastleElsinore@reddit

Antizionism is antisemitism.

Demanding the destruction of the only place jews are safe is jew hate

Especially because its never any other state- just that somehow Israel is uniquely evil

Its also a relic of Soviet era propaganda

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Theodosian_Walls@reddit

"the only place jews are safe"

In modern times, more jews have been harmed within israel than outside.

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CastleElsinore@reddit

Disproportionately by Palestinian terrorists

And yet two jews were gunned down in DC last night for being Jewish

The guy shot in Chicago on his was back from shul

Run over as "Protests"

People screaming "free Palestine" while trying to attack the eurovision contestant

Jews get told "not to go into predominantly Muslim neighborhoods" because its not safe in the EU, and yet the police refuses to protect synagogues

Nah, im safer in Israel. At least there are bomb shelters for every 3am houthi wake up

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Theodosian_Walls@reddit

"People protesting Eurovision is antisemitic violence!!1!" lmfao

Just to be clear, you acknowledge that more jews are injured or killed in israel than elsewhere?

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CastleElsinore@reddit

I said Palestinians terrorists are murdering, raping, and kidnapping Israelis. They have been for over a century

Protesting eurovision isn't antisemitism- notice i said nothing about the protests outside the event.

Trying to rush the stage to harm a massacre survivor because of her religion and nationality is though

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Its absolutely the most safe place for jews - I've never been threatened for being Jewish when I was in Israel. Can't say that about the various us or European cities I've been to or lived in.

Heck, because im Jewish, there are more then a dozen countries that are illegal for me to live.

What is it with people like you who like to deny the lived experiences of jews? We overwhelmingly agree Israel is safer, and then you go "nuh uh" because... you say so? When the only threat to jews in Israel is... Palestinians. Versus the hate and discrimination from multiple sides elsewhere

And we have been going back and forth all day. That makes us both terminally online

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Theodosian_Walls@reddit

It's not. This is a statistical fact. Reality over delusion.

I understand the "muh only safe place for da jews" is a common talking-point among zionists (i.e. propaganda), but it doesn't make it true, no matter how much you want to believe it. You can say "nuh uh" all you like, but it's easily disproved with basic fact-checking.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/four-survivors-told-authorities-they-were-sexually-assaulted-on-october-7-report/

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-18/ty-article-magazine/witnesses-confessions-naked-dead-bodies-all-the-evidence-of-hamas-rape-on-oct-7/0000018e-f114-d92e-abfe-f77f7e3f0000

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpw5v077nyjo

I don't say anything I can't back up.

Your turn!

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iwantsomeofthis@reddit

Antizionism is antisemitism.

Demanding the destruction of the only place jews are safe is jew hate

True! IFF you believe Zionism = jews get a home

the issue is people are pushing Zionism = Isreal gets to be as violent as it wants. Thats not what it means....

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Glass-Shock5882@reddit

Its also a relic of Soviet era propaganda

It's honestly incredible how often this is the case.

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860v2@reddit

You’re saying this as if anti-Semites haven’t been targeting and killing Jews for centuries.

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https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2025/05/22/elias-rodriguez-chicago-israeli-embassy-staffers-dc

its one google away

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Theodosian_Walls@reddit

You just happen to have all these links ready... that don't say anything about communism. Lol

(It only mentioned unsubstantiated claims of antisemitism.)

Your comments read like they're drawn from a hasbara procedures manual.

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DanDan1993@reddit

???

It's fucking typing his name and "PSL" in the end, and taking 4 links from the first page... do you want to try it yourself?

"Rodriguez was previously affiliated with the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL), a U.S.-based communist group that advocates revolution against capitalism"

Do you think he had a sudden change of heart and suddenly joined a capitalist group before shooting these people?

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ShikaStyleR@reddit

The single suspect, tentatively identified as 30-year-old Elias Rodriguez from Chicago, chanted "Free Palestine, Free Palestine," after being taken into custody, she said.

https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2025/0522/1514246-israeli-embassy-shooting/

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layland_lyle@reddit

Confirmed pro Palestinian in other news sources.

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manhattanabe@reddit

Pro-Palestine supporter shoots two leaving a Jewish event in Washington DC while yelling “free Palestine”. Anyone surprised? The movement spews so much hate, it’s not surprising it incites people to violence.

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DonnyDimello@reddit

Ah yes, the people against genocide are secretly inciting violence. Please. What do you call Zionist's cheering on genocide then, peace activists?

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They say “Glory to Out Martyrs” while holding up pictures of Hassan Nasrallah and Yahya Sinwar. They hold up signs saying “Resistance at any cost” they tell Jewish students to go back to Poland.

Funny, I've never seen that.

There must be a lot of pro-Palestine protests in Israel, I guess.

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Imaginary-Chain5714@reddit

I’ve seen it on my phone lol, the Columbia protests on the anniversary of Oct/7 had those signs everywhere

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redelastic@reddit

I've seen Israel blow children's brains out on my phone.

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Imaginary-Chain5714@reddit

And I’ve seen Palestinians spit on a battered corpse they dragged into Gaza. We’ve both seen bad things on our phones. I’ve also seen Palestinians dragging away a female soldier with blood on her crotch. So how about you engage with what I e said instead of deflecting

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redelastic@reddit

The difference is you support terrorism.

Everyone is protesting Israel's genocide and mass murder of children.

Whatever lies you say mean nothing.

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throwawayflapper1929@reddit

Good work putting words in someone’s mouth and not actually responding to them.

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Get_on_base@reddit

He has an Ireland flair, don’t expect anything except hatred from them.

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Theodosian_Walls@reddit

"Ireland is the land of hate"

Not as violent as a genocide.

I've seen more violence from the pro-Israel side actually. Several Palestinians have been attacked and shot in the US because of their identity.

The UCLA attack by a masked pro-Israel mob on a student encampment:

https://www.latimes.com/california/0000018f-3542-d7b9-a9bf-7f7f3a5d0000-123

A 6-year-old Palestinian-American boy was killed and his mother shot and seriously injured:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/illinois-landlord-sentenced-to-53-years-in-prison-for-hate-crime-murder-of-palestinian-american-boy

Three Palestinian students were shot:

Qatar spends 10x the money Israel does on lobbying.

AIPAC alone spent >$90m on lobbying, contributions, etc. in 2024.

Qatar didn't spend >$900m.

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AdVivid8910@reddit

Your source says Israel spent 3mil on lobbying, and Qatar way more. I don’t think you actually looked at what the numbers were here so you’re either a bot or a child.

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IAMADon@reddit

Yeah, $3m supporting pro-Israel policies, plus $51m supporting pro-Israel candidates who then support pro-Israel policies and $38m on advertising, etc. for pro-Israel candidates and policies.

AIPAC isn’t Israel, they’re a domestic organization funded by US citizens.

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IAMADon@reddit

If that's the case, I wonder why the Israeli government took legal advice on how to avoid FARA?

A legal strategy memo dated July 2018 noted that compliance with the Foreign Agents Registration Act (Fara) would damage the reputation of several American groups that receive funding and direction from Israel, and force them to meet onerous transparency requirements. A separate memo noted that donors would not want to fund groups registered under Fara.

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0WatcherintheWater0@reddit

Your baseless conspiracies will get you nowhere.

Provide actual proof of a link between Israel and AIPAC rather than vagueposting about Israel maybe wanting to do something with general “US Groups”, not even AIPAC specifically

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toomanyshoeshelp@reddit

Many of AIPACs board are dual citizens and/or have significant ties to government or business investments in Israel.

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0WatcherintheWater0@reddit

Provide concrete examples. I’m a little sick of people just fear-mongering about “dual citizens”

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toomanyshoeshelp@reddit

Easy enough, Miriam Adelson is and has been a major donor and lives in the West Bank. Haim Saban is a mega donor and dual national as well. David Zilik probably is, parents both were and he was there until 4, but unclear.

That doesn’t negate their point at all. It’s as valid 20 years ago as it is today.

Similarly, just because other countries do it doesn’t mean they don’t or diminish their outsized influence then even relative to expenses incurred.

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and that’s a completely separate point that nobody in this thread is debating

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"I'm wrong, so instead of just accepting that, I'm gonna double down on the stupidity. Yeah. no one will see it coming." - you

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WarmRestart157@reddit

So tell me

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Mundane_Emu8921@reddit

https://medium.com/@omargomaa87/secrets-of-the-1994-london-bombing-an-mi5-officials-revelation-a751b14b3d0d

Israel has an established, well-documented track record of staged operations, intelligence gathering, and hidden acts of disruption.

It’s very reasonable dude.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950–1951_Baghdad_bombings

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israelis-feel-besieged-by-global-antisemitism-after-washington-attacks-2025-05-22/

The attack came at a time when Israel is becoming increasingly isolated over its escalating military campaign against Hamas militants in Gaza, where it has cut off aid amid warnings of famine and reduced much of the enclave to rubble.

Attack could generate sympathy for the Netanyahu government

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Bobsothethird@reddit

Assuming something with no evidence and evidence to the contrary is not reasonable. You are literally no better than the January 6th crowd. have a good rest of your day man.

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Russia? Or did you mean Hamas and their failed attempts while you are doing a real one?

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WarmRestart157@reddit

you are doing a real one?

Are you saying I'm doing a genocide? I recommend you to do rehab from whatever drugs you are on.

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AdVivid8910@reddit

Your country, Russia, is raping Ukraine right now. Palestine attacked Israel, and Israel defends as is their right. Oh wait is there some reason you only care about one alleged genocide?

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WarmRestart157@reddit

Your country, Russia

That's what you should have said, not "you". Secondly, why are you changing topics? I spoke specifically about Israel's genocide in Gaza. This has nothing to do with Russia's war in Ukraine. Do you have an attention deficit that makes you stray off-topic?

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AdVivid8910@reddit

Because Israel has not and has never genocided, that’s Palestine’s view of humanity you’re thinking of as well as Russia. You guys are like peas in pod with Palestinians, all that shared love of rape and murder and attempting to raid other countries(badly). Also I imagine the homosexual hatred is another thing you share. All about the hate really, and the weak minds that fall for it,

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JimbosForever@reddit

You know what I find hilarious? That one time when I disqualified an opinion by your fellow countryman I was warned by a mod that this behavior was unacceptable (and kudos to the mod for not permabanning me outright as some are so quick to do).

But you are allowed to shit on zionists all day long with zero repercussions (and we all know it's just a dogwhistle)

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alt-right-del@reddit

Working for the embassy they were either (ex)IDF or Mossad — that’s a fact

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AniTaneen@reddit

Please tell me you have never met an embassy worker without telling me you have never met an embassy worker.

members frequently hold both military and “non-military” roles

You’re essentially referring to the mandatory service in the Israeli Occupation Forces, currently led by an individual internationally convicted for war crimes, including genocide and ethnic cleansing

Hes no more of a “civilian politician” than Osama bin Laden was when he was hiding in Pakistan

by that logic Israeli Embassy staff serving as international representatives for a convicted war criminal are no more 'civilian politicians' than the average IOF terrorist operating in Gaza. Not sure if they wear the underwear of dead and displaced Palestinian women as well.

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nothingpersonnelmate@reddit

They probably should, if they're only civil servants or diplomats without any involvement in or relation to military activities.

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Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit

Ex-military means nothing in a country with national service. That's the majority of the population

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

that’s the majority of the population

There is an Israeli lobby. Just like there were Jews in high position of banking during world war 1 whom Hitler blamed on their defeat. It didn’t change the fact that influence is minuscule compared to other parties whose influence is not even brought up. Mind you, Qatar just “gifted” the leader of the strongest country in the world a $400 million dollar airplane. They donate massive amount to universities too. Qatar is never mentioned, not at least until the plane stuff.

Let me put it this way. When Neo-Nazis talk about AIPAC and the Israeli lobby, what do you think they mean by that? Because I know what that means by that. And the fact that they can hide the “Jews control the world” under the “Israeli lobby” shows you how this is the new ZOG

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Stubbs94@reddit

Your country isn't representative of the Jewish population. Do you agree AIPAC pay politicians to ensure they don't do anything they would impact the aid that Israel receives? And no, I don't believe Israel "controls the US" because that's anti Semitic nonsense.

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Imaginary-Chain5714@reddit

I never claimed my country represents the Jewish population. Although it does represent half of it. And AIPAC paying politicians to “silence” them is stupid. Probably the most famous Democrat right now AOC is extremely anti-Israel

It’s fine that you don’t believe it. But I have seen it happen in real time. It goes:

Israel is bribing politicians

To:

Israel has America in its pockets

To:

Our government is occupied by Israel

Almost like how the pro Palestinians got more extreme to the point of setting themselves on fire and murdering Israelis

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Stubbs94@reddit

Imagine thinking AOC is "extremely anti Israel", she literally voted to fund the iron dome before. Unfortunately when an extremist state like Israel sees no scrutiny from the west for mass murdering men, women and children it breeds extremist rhetoric, especially when the ethnostate says they are exterminating a population for "the safety of the Jews".... Germany committed their actions to "protect the Germanic bloodlines" too.

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Imaginary-Chain5714@reddit

She literally tried to pass Nakba day bill and has called it a genocide. But no, funding the iron dome 10 years ago makes someone permanent pro Israel

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Stubbs94@reddit

Like, I don't see the problem with a Nakba day commemoration? Are you against people learning about the plight of the Palestinian people? Like, it was an ethnic cleansing campaign similar to what happened in Greece and Turkey in the 1920s.

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Imaginary-Chain5714@reddit

I’m not against people learning about it, no

Did you read the last sentence or did you formulate your opinion before reading to the end?

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WarmRestart157@reddit

You do realize those are different even if both are bad and shouldn't have happened

What the fuck does this have to do with the Hannibal directive?

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GetOutOfTheWhey@reddit

It doesnt have anything to do with the hannibal directive? Read what I wrote.

alt-right-del@reddit

Because the German took accountability and stopped attacking their neighbours —

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Love_JWZ@reddit

The point is it was able to remain a nation state for the Germans. There was no one who would doubt this, even after they build the world’s only extermination camps to murder millions for racial purity.

Meanwhile, the idea of Israel as a nation state for the Jews is constantly being denied.

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alt-right-del@reddit

Maybe because German was able to form a new working arrangement with the countries it had occupied and it’s citizens they had killed in concentration camps — Germany had to give up territories; there was a price to pay to rebuild trust among it’s neighbours.

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Love_JWZ@reddit

Hey ChatGPT!

*Not-Jewish Man from Chicago shoots people in a clear hate crime*

Half the comments: Okay, but what if he was paid to??? Hm???

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Love_JWZ@reddit

Its like people have invested their live savings in this Israel is pure evil narrative.

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Em3107@reddit

They weren’t shot at. The idf fired warning shots in the air. Theres a clear distinction. The article about it was very clear.

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BlackAfroUchiha@reddit

We saw the fucking video.

They were literally shot at. Bullets hit the building behind them.

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I'm not saying you were. Was meaning people posting they were shot at are

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If this was a pro Palestinian attack, why target two people who “had links” to the embassy but we don’t know of they’re even Israeli?

Weird

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AtrusHomeboy@reddit

I don't think you understand how common of a modus operandi

I'm angry at [X], but I'm too much of a coward to go after them.

I'll take it out on [Y] instead, because killing them will be much easier.

is in mass shootings.

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coffee-slut@reddit

“If this was an antisemitic attack” bruh—

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TheHeroYouNeed247@reddit

If he's targeting isreali workers or those connected with the government, it's not really antisemitism. Just terrorism.

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coffee-slut@reddit

He targeted people leaving A JEWISH EVENT.

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TheHeroYouNeed247@reddit

An event for members of the Israeli government, according to the article.

Because Israel has a habit of staging these kinds of “attacks” on their diplomatic missions.

One time they bombed their embassy in London.

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

Can you explain how Israel convinced a member of the Party of Socialism and Liberation, who has been affiliated with the ANSWER Coalition in the past - organizations that despise Israel - to do this? Like, what’s the conspiracy? They blackmailed this guy?

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Mundane_Emu8921@reddit

Drum up sympathy for Israel given its tough situation.

Discredit opponents.

As far as convincing, that is easy. Money. Promises of stuff. Etc.

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

“Money and promises of stuff”? The dude is about to go to prison for a double murder

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Cuddlyaxe@reddit

Bro this is so much more research than the average person would do lol

Don't you remember the video of the woman tearing down Greek flags at a Greek restaurant because she thought they were Israeli?

And being honest, targeting the Israeli embassy is a pretty good shot that the victims are gonna be somehow connected to Israel. You dont need to make some giant conspiracy theory when the link is blatantly obvious

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vegeful@reddit

Simple. He work at Israel embassy so he is traitor and need to be punish.

gazongagizmo@reddit

you are bringing logic to a keffiyah fight

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JhonIWantADivorce@reddit

Eh, it sounds believable, stranger things have happened before.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Grynszpan

On the morning of 7 November, he wrote a farewell postcard to his parents and put it in his pocket. Grynszpan went to a gun shop in the Rue du Faubourg St Martin, where he bought a 6.35mm revolver and a box of 25 bullets for 235 francs. He caught the metro to the Solférino station and walked to the German embassy at 78 Rue de Lille (Paris)...At 9:45 am, Grynszpan identified himself as a German resident at the reception desk and asked to see an embassy official; he did not ask for anyone by name. He claimed to be a spy with important intelligence which he had to give to the most senior diplomat available… Grynszpan asked if he could see "His Excellency, the ambassador" to hand over the "most important document" he claimed to have.[17] The clerk on duty asked Ernst vom Rath, the junior of the two embassy officials available, to see him. When Grynszpan entered vom Rath's office, vom Rath asked to see the "most important document". Grynszpan pulled out his gun, and shot him five times in the abdomen. According to the French police account, he shouted right before pulling out his gun: "You're a filthy boche! In the name of 12,000 persecuted Jews, here is the document!"

Remember that all it really takes to be pro Palestinian is a little bit of empathy and morbid curiosity. Understand maybe 1% of what’s being done to Gaza, the people suffering, it’s terrifying and heartbreaking, nothing in the world that could justify it and once you realize that you can’t go back.

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OkBubbyBaka@reddit

You think terrorists are rational?

CNN - Video appears to show DC shooting suspect arrested, yelling 'Free, free Palestine'

PBS - 2 Israeli Embassy staff members killed in DC shooting

CBS Philadelphia - Alleged shooter was "shouting 'Free Palestine'" after killing 2 Israeli Embassy staff, witness says

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qjxj@reddit

The suspect was named by police as Elias Rodriguez and he appears to be a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation which is a pro-Chinese communist party.

Yeah, this isn't looking good...

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frizzykid@reddit

Fucked behavior likely from someone too dumb to even realize how pointless and overall detrimental to the plight of Palestinians.

Trump and netanyahu are falling out, and the largest pushers for Palestine in the middle east just had a positive meeting with Trump, and some dumb fuck wants to create a feel good moment for Trump and netanyahu to bond over

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860v2@reddit

This is what happens when you lie about genocide, 14,000 dead babies, indiscriminate bombings, famine, ethnic cleansing, etc.

Expecting an hasbara not to attempt to gaslight the obvious is like expecting the ocean to stop making waves. Sure, it could happen under rare, specific conditions, but as a general rule, it's just part of its nature.

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860v2@reddit

Notice how you’re now trying to deflect.

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860v2@reddit

food, water, and medicine wasn’t allowed in for over 80 days

You claimed there was a famine. This is not a famine.

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university-of-poo-@reddit

I apologize. How about forced starvation? Is that a better term? I claim Israel is starving the Gaza population. What do you think about that? Do you agree?

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860v2@reddit

Do you recognize that different words have different meanings?

Is this what you’re also doing with “genocide”, “indiscriminate”, etc.?

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university-of-poo-@reddit

Can you please engage with what I’m saying. I gave you my definition of famine. Do you disagree with it?

Also, I then said forget the word famine, let’s describe what’s going on with a different word, that being forced starvation. Do you agree what’s going on is forced starvation? If not, why?

The two were attending an event for young professionals at the Capital Jewish Museum hosted by the American Jewish Committee.

RaiJolt2@reddit

Zio was coined or highly popularized by kkk grand wizard (their leader) David duke, and was a word he used to mean jew/a slur meaning Jewish. It has been used like this since the 90’s.

It highlighted a report from the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) which stated 14,100 severe cases of acute malnutrition are expected to occur among children aged six to 59 months between April 2025 and March 2026.

The IPC report says this could take place over the course of about a year - not 48 hours.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/

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tupe12@reddit

For more then a year now, people here have been telling me that concerns of the blatant anti-semitism in the pro-palestine cause was dis-ingenious, or merely an attempt to "justify genocide". That "Globalize the initfada" was nothing more then a call to more protests, and that the increasing fear of jews abroad is a mere coincidence.

Well, this is what globalizing the intifada looks like. I warned you all for more then a year now

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somebodysetupthebomb@reddit

Wow two whole people

That's like, twice as much as one person! Serious stuff! Guess your warnings were really accurate, from a whole year ago

Can you use your fortune telling powers to tell me if there will be any consequences for those who killed palestinians in the 6-figure range?

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860v2@reddit

Can you use your fortune telling powers to tell me if there will be any consequences for those who killed palestinians in the 6-figure range?

LineOfInquiry@reddit

This isn’t anti-semitism, it’s taking anti-Israel sentiment to an extreme.

Anti-semitism would be him shooting 2 random Jewish people who have nothing to do with anything. He didn’t do that, he shot 2 government workers for the Israeli state. That’s not the same thing.

Imagine if someone shot 2 workers at the Russian embassy. Would you think they were a Russophobe or think they were instead someone taking anti-Russia (the state) sentiment to an extreme?

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Pklnt@reddit

You'll kept being downvoted because you're trying to generalize the support for Palestine and the criticism with Israel with antisemitism and actions such as these.

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tupe12@reddit

As I said, I’ve been warning of this for more than a year. That should have been more then enough time to prove me wrong, but the only attempts have been made at a local level by only some of the protesting groups

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Pklnt@reddit

That should have been more then enough time to prove me wrong

Well, it did, because for more than a year nothing happened.

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tupe12@reddit

I’m still waiting, BLM was able to disprove the allegations against it in a quarter of that time

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Pklnt@reddit

You'll always move the goalpost to further your narrative, you're a lost cause.

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tupe12@reddit

You’re free to check out my comment history on this sub, you’ll see that the goalpost has always been “do something about the very vocal group that is being blatantly antisemitic”.

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To quote the event's blurb.

Join us on Wednesday, May 21 for AJC ACCESS D.C.'s Young Diplomats Reception — our biggest event of the year, bringing together Jewish young professionals (ages 22–45) and the diplomatic community.

I’d put money on him posting here. This sub is a cesspool of ‘Zionist settler colonialism’ rants, ‘from the river to the sea’ slogans, and nonstop ‘globalize the intifada’ circlejerks. You keep spamming terms like ‘resistance’ and ‘decolonization’ like they’re academic theory, but to some nutjob reading this, it’s just a green light to grab a gun and go kill Jews. Y’all built the echo chamber, then act surprised when someone echoes back with bullets.

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BabylonianWeeb@reddit (OP)

Two Israeli Embassy staff members killed outside Jewish museum in Washington, DC

Two staff members at the Israeli Embassy in Washington, DC, were killed Wednesday night near the Capital Jewish Museum, Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem said.

“Two Israeli Embassy staff were senselessly killed tonight near the Jewish Museum in Washington DC,” Noem said in a post on X. “We are actively investigating and working to get more information to share.”

Two people believed to be connected to the Israeli Embassy in Washington, DC, were shot Wednesday night near the Capital Jewish Museum, according to a source familiar with the situation and a law enforcement source. Another law enforcement source told CNN that two people were killed.

DC Police said its investigating a shooting across the street from the FBI’s Washington Field Office, which is located near the museum. The Israeli embassy is working with law enforcement.

The Israeli ambassador was not involved in the incident and was not at the location when the shooting happened, an embassy spokesperson told CNN.

US Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a post on social media that she and acting US Attorney for DC Jeanine Pirro have arrived to the scene of the shooting outside the Capital Jewish Museum. Ted Deutch, the CEO of the American Jewish Committee, said his organization was hosting an event at the museum on Wednesday evening.

“We are devastated that an unspeakable act of violence took place outside the venue,” he said in a statement. “At this moment, as we await more information from the police about exactly what transpired, our attention and our hearts are solely with those who were harmed and their families.”

Israel’s Ambassador to the UN Danny Danon reacted to media reports of the shooting on Wednesday, saying in a statement on X, “The fatal shooting that took place outside the event that took place at the Jewish Museum in Washington, DC – in which Israeli embassy employees were also injured – is a depraved act of anti-Semitic terrorism.”

Police are advising people to avoid the area in Northwest DC.

This is a developing story and will be updated.

CNN’s Jennifer Hansler contributed to this report.

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