BREAKING: Jeremy Corbyn suggests new left-wing party will be in place before 2026 elections

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pinpoint14@reddit

Oh my days, it is so nice to have something to look forward to. Why this comment is required to have so many characters to express this is a mystery to me. But also, good, I feel.

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_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_@reddit

The reality though, is that it will just split the vote, and thanks to FPTP, guarantee a right-wing victory.

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Yeah you don’t get to gaslight us with this threat anymore. We have seen how useless centrist governments are that only deliver right wing extremists in the next term. Either get on board or stay quiet. But you’ll vote for the right wing group instead as all centrists do.

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RickkyBobby01@reddit

Remember when lefties in America said they wouldn't vote for Kamala because "the Dems are just as bad as the Rs for supporting Israel".

How's that working out for them?

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

Classic liberal approach happy for Biden to let Israel raze Gaza and then making it the lefts fault when Trump does it as well.

Apologies if we have actual principles. Tried to abandon the progressive element of the party to court republicans and blame the left for your own shit election strategy and result.

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RickkyBobby01@reddit

There are two buttons in front of you.

1: A terrible war and loads of death and war crimes against the people of Gaza.

2: Same as 1 except theres even more death and war crimes and also pushes towards a fully complete genocide and expulsion of the Gaza strip plus rapidly expanded settlements in the west bank.

By not pushing 1 you care more about your principles than Palestinians.

Those on the far-right don't have this problem. They're smarter. They may have loads of anti-Semitic views, but they'll still vote for a massively pro-Israel right wing party because they recognise that's the best option available, even though it rubs their principles the wrong way.

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

You were happy to accept 1 and 2 when there was always a 3rd option so don’t you talk about caring about Palestinians when you never have.

There have never been two options despite your reductive approach.

At any time Biden could have actually backed his red lines and done something but he didn’t. He could have told Netanyahu to stand down, stopped the razing of Gaza and the murder of tens of thousands but he did fuck all. If he had he would have had the progressive vote. Instead he turned on the same groups that got him into power in the first place.

And you have the audacity to blame the voters for having principles. Such arrogance. You couldn’t give two shits about Palestinians.

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RickkyBobby01@reddit

You couldn’t give two shits about Palestinians.

I care about them more than you because I'm not actively making their situation worse by helping even further right wing parties get elected who are even worse for the Palestinians.

Israel now occupies over 50% of Gaza again, and are talking about staying indefinitely and permanently displacing the Gaza people, and Trump is largely in agreement.

That's worse than what Biden did, and worse than what Kamala would have done. If you can't see that, and can't bring yourself to affect what change you are realistically able to make, then you're no help to those people.

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

I lobby and pressure groups like Biden to do so. We were ignored. Gaza was already razed with tens of thousands dead under Biden he did fuck all. You aren’t entitled to my vote if you don’t listen you don’t get it.

Yet to see the democrats doing anything to lobby against Trump for Gaza, almost like they don’t care.

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RickkyBobby01@reddit

You aren’t entitled to my vote

What a mischaracterisation. I never said I was entitled to your vote. I'm saying you are voting against your own interests.

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

Not that I am in the US as per my flair, but a vote for Biden wouldn’t have been a vote for my interests. 0 progressive policy or reaching across to Dem Socs in the party. Already let Gaza get razed to the ground by Israel so did sweet fuck all. They aren’t opposing Trump now. So they clearly don’t represent my interests. You seem to think Biden did this great job, he didn’t, he lost.

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RickkyBobby01@reddit

If you are able to look at Biden and Kamala's agenda, and say it is no more progressive than Trump's then I really don't know what to say to you. The fat right are the biggest beneficiaries from your attitude.

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

Yep classic condescending lib. Offer nothing. I don’t have to vote for you. Doesn’t mean I would ever vote right. But it is up to you to offer something. Since this is about Starmer and he has lied and reneged on his promises after I voted for him I won’t listen to centrist lies again. It’s always on us to beat the right.

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RickkyBobby01@reddit

You'll see any critique as condescending, I get that.

The angry Mr top 1% commentator, who posts more in a day than I do in a month isnt fooling anyone with this projection.

If you truly weren't mad, you would've answered the question I posed, because why care about something so trivial unless you're all riled up

I’ve never told you how to vote

Nor I you. But I must say, this new Corbyn party isn't going to win any elections if it doesn't try and convince people to vote for it, and you're not a calm nor convincing believer in it. This is coming from someone who's voted for Corbyn in the past.

Funnily enough Tommy Robbo and co love Israel as they are a mono ethnic authoritarian state, the gov they crave here.

They love Corbyn too for making a new party to help them get into power.

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

Alright mate no bother. I just had a lot of responses to my top comment in recent times. Again the Redditor being upset that someone reddits despite a quick glance at your profile proves you wrong, you are an avid centrist poster as expected.

Labour are in power any failure again is on them. More centrism explaining away their failures when they refuse to compromise or deal with the left.

I didn’t answer it as it is deliberately framed incorrectly. You would not vote for a left wing party over a right wing one.

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RickkyBobby01@reddit

You would not vote for a left wing party over a right wing one.

Telling me how I vote huh. Classic condescending leftie. You have to earn my vote, you're not entitled to it.

Humour aside imagine saying this after I just told you I voted for Corbyn in the past. If I thought they had a real chance of winning I would pick them over something like Farage or Boris if those were the front runners.

But you're here making assumptions, scapegoating me, writing off potential voters, and generally being guilty of everything you've accused me of doing.

Labour are in power any failure again is on them

This also applies to all parties, in power and not. Including Kemi and the Tories, and Corbyns new party, and Corbyn when he was the opposition and lost historically badly in 2019 (dw I voted for him then), when no one else did.

Again the Redditor being upset that someone reddits

A redditor tells another redditor that they spend all day angrily posting comments. They reply pointing out the first redditor does that much more than them. The first redditor then accuses them of being upset that they Reddit. Irony abounds.

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

You didn’t even pick up that I deliberately reframed the reductive question back at you to show how silly it was.

You have a longer streak and are more active than me on Reddit and you have debated me by replying first over a long thread. Even if I posted all day every day it wouldn’t retract from my point it’s just ad hominem and worthless.

Ok r/centrism I’m sure you’re very left wing.

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RickkyBobby01@reddit

Even if I posted all day every day it wouldn’t retract from my point it’s just ad hominem and worthless.

Posting this after the back and forth over Reddit activity is ridiculous. I only ever responded to your accusations at me in that regard, pointing out pot meets kettle.

You didn’t even pick up that I deliberately reframed the reductive question back at you to show how silly it was.

I didnt want to give your victim mentality ammo by pointing out that unlike you, I have no problem answering easy questions.

Ok r/centrism I’m sure you’re very left wing.

Enough to vote for Corbyn over Boris. Not many other voters made that choice. I don't think you and this new left wing party can afford to not court voters like me if you ever want to achieve anything.

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

Haha you can construct an entirely different strawman in your imagination to argue with if you’d like that’s definitely sane and normal. Label me as whatever form of extremism you think makes you feel good about your meaningless form of politics.

You’re spending an entire thread trying to get me to vote for a party in a country I don’t exist in that share none of my values. I am left wing progressive. I voted Starmer I am happy to compromise just not be lied to which I demonstrably have been. You don’t control my vote and you never will.

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notbadhbu@reddit

Remember when the Dems had every opportunity to get the left to vote for them?

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BobbyB200kg@reddit

Great, actually

The Democrats are weaker than ever before and might be entirely wiped out by a challenge from the left

The Gaza issue can be left to an international coalition willing and able to destroy American backed fascists

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nmaddine@reddit

Corbyn literally delivered the Tories an extra term

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LunaTheMoon2@reddit

No, a corrupt and hostile media environment and Labour establishment undermined him at every turn and delivered the Tories and extra term. The fact that Brexit was a major issue that Corbyn didn't wanna discuss certainly didn't help, but the ridiculous fear mongering gave the Conservatives a majority government

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The_Pale_Blue_Dot@reddit

Yep anyone's fault but Corbyn's.

Corbyn supporters are so cultish that they refuse to accept he was a crap leader, deeply unpopular, and lost two consecutive elections.

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LunaTheMoon2@reddit

Which is why he.. oh look, won the leadership election with the biggest landslide ever twice, the second time beating the record his first time set. But yeah, deeply unpopular, eh?

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The_Pale_Blue_Dot@reddit

... among Labour members

lmao

What, like how reform split the tory vote ? And now they are supposedly on track to wipe out the Tories ?

Labour deserve to be competed against from the left after the Starmer lead purges. The new party just needs to not compete with Greens as much as possible (to avoid splitting the actual left vote)

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AquaD74@reddit

Reform did split the tory vote and resulted in one of the largest seings and Labour governments in history.

Are you telling me you want that for Reform now they have finally (after years of gradually growing and splitting the vote) superceded the Tories?

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abrasiveteapot@reddit

A couple of things to unpick here:

Firstly the primary reason Labour has such a massive, but very brittle, majority is that everyone, including most Tory voters had had it up to the back teeth with the tories. Labour cannot, and will not hold that majority while being Tory lite. In the words of a crusty ancient neighbour who had been a dyed in the wool Tory voter for the last decade "I didn't vote Labour to get diluted Tory, I'll just vote Reform next time"

So, you have a Labour party that obsessively purged everything left out of the party, but the only left party those voters can now vote for are the Greens - unsuprisingly the Greens did well at the last Westminster election, and also in the council elections.

Conservative vote has collapsed because of years of whiteanting their policies by UKIP/Reform, Labour however aren't going to hold Tory voters, most that voted for them this time did so while holding their noses.

We're in the middle of a shakeup of the parties, same as the turn of the 19th/20th C.

Centrist middle class Tory voters have mostly bled to Lib-Dem (some to Greens). Much of the Tory & Labour vote is going to Reform out of the Brexity seats.

Many of the formerly Labour strongholds in urban areas (ie the less Brexity labour vote) are going to go left to Greens, PACE, or centrist to Lib Dem BECAUSE Labour have tacked so far right that there is honestly not much difference between the two in practical terms - I mean sure Labour will talk it up, but they don't even deserve the label "the nice tories" that used to be attached to the LibDems (who are now left of them).

So, Pace gives a home to the left, and like UKIP/Reform ended up driving Tory policy directions for years despite having limited representation, the loss of a few seats by Labour to them will force them to consider their positioning.

Secondly yes if Labour abandons a constituency they can't moan if that demographic stops voting for them - I don't however think it's as Quixotic as you make out, Greens have proven that you can beat Labour in (formerly) Labour seats from the left.

There is every chance the next election sees both Tories and Labour massively reduced, whether that happens will depend on whether Farage makes a mistake that the media allows to be visible, whether Corbyn still has the populist skills that had "oo-err Jeremy corbyn" being sung at Glastonbury - I'm not so confident on that and it will remain to be seen but Gen Z turned out for him (both door knocking and voting) which they certainly did not do for the following elections. The biggest constraint on him being successful will be the attacks by the media levelled at him as opposition leader will be quadrupled when he's trying to bring down the establishment figure they're very happy with.

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AquaD74@reddit

Absolutely, I have not and will not defend the current Labour governments track record on certain issues and totally understand the party shedding votes, I too find myself aligned far more with the Lib Dems than Labour for the first time in my life.

What is also fundamentally true is that the greatest threat to our progressive or left wing values and our wider country is not a continuation of "Tory-lite" Starmerism (which I somewhat reject anyway) it's Reform.

In 2029, every single person in the centre and the left should prioritise defeating reform at all costs. Up until then, of course, we should continue to try push Labour to the left on issues we care about and criticise Starmers' mistakes.

But if people intend to split the vote in Labour constituencies rather than vote tactically with Labour to reduce the number of seats going to Reform we lose, trans people lose, the environment loses and Britain loses. This needs to be the messaging, and I think there is a legitimate concern that a Corbyn led party will prioritise its own consolidation of power rather than prevent reform at all costs.

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H_Melman@reddit

"What is also fundamentally true is that the greatest threat to our progressive or left wing values and our wider country is not a continuation of "Tory-lite" Starmerism (which I somewhat reject anyway) it's Reform."

Swap" Tory-lite Starmerism" for "neoliberal centrism" and "Reform" for "Republicans" and this looks a lot like what other Americans say to me, a progressive, despite the multitude of ways that the Democratic Party has done nothing but disappoint me over the last decade.

The difference is that we have an iron-clad 2 party system. You don't. Stop acting like it or one day you and a lot of other UK progressives will find yourself in the same impossible position that American progressives are in right now.

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AquaD74@reddit

The US is the poster child for exactly why in an election like this where the other party looks to be the British MAGA equivalent we need to hold our nose and vote Labour, like American progressives and leftists should have done for the Democrats.

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H_Melman@reddit

The USA is also the poster child for how "Hold your nose and vote for unsatisfying candidates" is a losing strategy for convincing the majority of an electorate to vote your way, and my evidence is that we elected this immigrant-bashing carnival barker twice.

I voted for Harris. I knocked doors for her. I even trained people to knock doors. But I did it not out of enthusiasm for a political party that I despise slightly less than the Republicans, but out of an understanding that the alternative was literal fascism. It's not surprising to me that a majority of Americans didn't feel the same way. Even now, with all of the evils that Donald Trump is committing on a daily basis, polling has shown the Democratic Party has a 27% approval rating among the general public.

Why? Because "hold your nose and vote for us because even though we're not great the other guys are worse" doesn't f'ing work.

Want to defeat Reform? Present people with an alternative that actually provides substantive opposition instead of lip service and a watered-down version of their policies and then fight for that vision of the future. Learn from the Democratic Party's failures or you will be doomed to repeat our mistakes.

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abrasiveteapot@reddit

In 2029, every single person in the centre and the left should prioritise defeating reform at all costs

Sure but it doesn't necessarily follow that voting Labour is the correct answer, I would in fact suggest that it is now rarely the correct answer.

Will depend whether pace turns out to be a half dozen disgruntled lefties, or an actual movement.

If you talk to labour activists (there's a reddit sub for example), you'll find the majority are disenchanted.

The best case scenario from my perspective is a massive walkout of the grass-roots to force Labour to re-think. I have no problem with a Pace, green,lib-dem, labour coalition.

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AquaD74@reddit

It really comes down to this. Is PACE going to contest Labour in areas which risk a reform/tory victory if the vote is split between two or more left wing blocks?

If the answer is yes we need to make it clear to their leadership we will only support them if they commit to avoiding that and only challenging Labour in seats where the population is majority left wing/progressive so won't risk losing to reform.

Britain is descending painfully close into American partisan politics and while it will, like the Democrats, be Labours fault come 2029 if they lose - we need to make sure that disenfranchised voters do not protest Labour at the expense of the world like Jill Stein voters did the Democrats enabling a stronger Trump victory and granting control of both the house and senate.

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abrasiveteapot@reddit

The LibDems Labour & Greens did (mostly) agree to avoid 3 corner contests, however it has to be recognised that the only way a new party gets a seat at the table is to cause the incumbents pain.

There's only two ways that happens - one at the ballot box for council elections to prove the size of the support (which will inevitably mean Reform winning some councils they otherwise wouldn't), or two a massive walk out/defection by a non trivial section of the parliamentary party MPs plus a big chunk of the grassroots.

I don't see the latter happening - the parliamentary MPs are mostly handpicked rightwingers since the purge. Certainly the grassroots are moveable, but without the MPs it's not going to mean much.

So, three corner contests in the next round of council elections it is - if pace are smart they'll cut a deal with the greens & LibDems to avoid diluting the left vote.

Given a vote for labour is now virtually indistinguishable from a vote for the tories I don't think that scenario to prove strength has any new downsides that aren't already present.

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AquaD74@reddit

You're just delusional if you think a vote for Labour is virtually indistinguishable from the Tories.

I don't know what more there is to say.

This attitude will give Reform more council seats and the 2029 majority if we don't acknowledge that the gripes with Labour, which are legitimate, do not supercede the inherent threat of hard right populism.

Again, vote left if you live in a safe progressive/left wing area. If not, vote for whichever party is most likely to win, even if that means Labour.

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abrasiveteapot@reddit

You're just delusional if you think a vote for Labour is virtually indistinguishable from the Tories.

Well I share that delusion with a very large slice of the UK population according to yougov polling

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2025/05/21/labour-polling-latest/

"The Labour Party government’s pandering to the far right has intensified recently. But a new poll suggests those attempts are failing, miserably.

In fact, they seem to be utterly backfiring."

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52221-britons-think-labour-is-going-after-reform-uk-voters-but-are-they-interested

" Britons think Labour is going after Reform UK voters – but are they interested?

May 21, 2025, 9:22 AM GMT+1 Just 4% of Reform voters say they are likely to consider voting Labour

Reform UK’s gains in opinion polls and local elections have panicked Labour, who are now attempting to Nigel Farage’s voters with recently announced immigration reforms, among other incentives. The strategy has not sat easy with all in the government, with some warning that it will alienate Labour voters, as well as Lib Dems and Greens who might otherwise tactically vote Labour."

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AquaD74@reddit

I don't care what the British public says and yes I have made clear in this conversation that there are policies I am very unhappy that our government is pursuing which are obviously an attenpt to pander to the right.

However there are dozens of policies that are either in the right direction or further than my expectations that Labour is on track to or already has delivered which is far more than the any Tory government throughout my lifetime, whether stripping back building regulations, investing in necessary infrastructure that has been ignored for decades (the new reservoirs while ignored by the media is huge news), very positive green energy investment that ignores the NIMBYism that has driven up costs and massively undermined our progress, Rayner's workers rights reforms and the continuation of the OSA.

And even in issues where I believe Labours handling has been abhorrent whether trans rights or immigration it is still MILES better than what the conservatives were doing on those same issues.

I will say it again, you are delusional if you think anything Labour has done compares with the corruption and awful bigotry and insane Rwanda scheme of the Tories.

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Mundane_Emu8921@reddit

Basically Labour is just a placeholder party.

People voted for them because they were fed up with the Tories.

But once people forget about all that, they will go back to voting Tory.

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LineOfInquiry@reddit

I want a new left wing party to grow and supersede Labour. It worked for Reform it can work for us.

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AquaD74@reddit

Who's us? You're flaired as an American.

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LineOfInquiry@reddit

Leftists.

And what did Labour do with that majority? Did they fix the problems the Tories caused? Are they moving towards rejoining the EU and rebuilding the UK’s economy? Are they raising spending for local municipalities? Are they raising taxes on the wealthy? Are they re-nationalizing the railroads?

What’s the point of winning an election if you don’t do anything with that victory? That’s the entire point of a democracy!

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AquaD74@reddit

Did they fix the problems the Tories caused?

Some, absolutely, they ended the awful Rwanda deal and are on track to bring in major planning reform changes to deal with the housing/infrastructure demand and the workers rights bill which includes some of the biggest workers rights reforms in decades.

Are they moving towards rejoining the EU and rebuilding the UK’s economy?

They ran on the explicit promise they wouldn't rejoin the EU. Which was awful IMO, but despite that they have made major headway in resetting relations and improving trade, defence and hopefully soon to be a return to freedom of movement for under 30s. I genuinely expected all things brexit to get worse so I'm pleasantly surprised.

Are they raising spending for local municipalities?

Yes

Are they raising taxes on the wealthy?

Sort of, indirectly, through the employer tax increases, but I agree it should go further. Unfortunately, again, they ran on a platform of no income tax rises, so absent of a land value or wealth tax (the former of which I support) their hands are tied.

Are they re-nationalizing the railroads?

Yes, it's literally one of the first things they did!!!

What’s the point of winning an election if you don’t do anything with that victory?

What's the point on commenting on a country you clearly know nothing about? Labour has major problems, especially around social issues like trans rights. That doesn't mean they've done nothing lol

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LineOfInquiry@reddit

I sincerely hope that housing/infrastructure reform succeeds, from what I hear you guys have it even worse than we do on that front.

I agree that the promise was really stupid, which is why I brought it up. Still, I’m glad to hear that they are making headway in repairing relations with Europe and moving back towards integration with the continent.

Are they doing enough? I’m sure they’re better than the Tories, but are they actually returning local councils to pre-2010 funding levels and actually empowering them to invest in local communities again? I legit don’t know that’s why I’m asking, and I’ve found mixed answer online.

It sucks how taboo tax increases are basically everywhere nowadays. Taxes are so important to a functioning society but people refuse to pay for it while still expecting the benefits :/ I hope Labour changes on that in the next election (and implements a LVT like you said).

Oh that’s great! I hadn’t heard anything about that in a while so I didn’t know if they’d actually done anything. Like you say, I’m across the ocean so I don’t pay super close attention to UK politics lol

Yeah trans rights are a major Achilles heel for them. I’m commenting on it because I think as we move towards a globalized society having solidarity between strong left wing movements across multiple countries is important and can stand as an example for each other. Labour ideally should be a shining example of that as a proud socdem/demsoc party with a long and mostly positive legacy. But at least from over here it doesn’t seem like they are living up to that legacy, which means it’s harder for us leftists here to point to them as a positive example of our own goals. I want to be able to point to parties like the SPD and Labour as shining examples of what our future can be, but they fail either on messaging or actions to do that. At least that’s how it seems from here, even if they’re doing better than I thought.

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silverionmox@reddit

What, like how reform split the tory vote ? And now they are supposedly on track to wipe out the Tories ?

Rightwing voters are like that, they all flock together, so when the conditions are right they'll all turn to the new leader and pretend that the previous one never happened. While leftwing voters tend to splinter and factionalize around ever more minor and symbolic issues.

That's why FPTP systems advantage rightwing/conservative policies.

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Ah get out of it.

If centrist governments and supporters were so concerned about splitting the vote and delivering right wing governments they would vote for the left part or gov when it was in the ascendency.

As proven by the Biden alliance disavowing the left in the last US election and losing whilst winning a broad church vote the left will come to the table to deny right wing governments when entertained.

When Corbyn was in charge of Labour despite his flaws the supposedly left wing media of the guardian and unbiased media of the BBC turned on him like an animal. Making heavy weather of coups purginga and the like. Even though since then Starmer’s Labour have purged the left from the party far more aggressively than Corbyn ever did the PLP.

I fucking hate our voting system it is awful. But it is not the left or right who are opposed to changing it. It is centrists. Your knowledge of our politics and political history is not sufficient for this.

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-All-Hail-Megatron-@reddit

if centrist governments and supporters were so concerned about splitting the vote and delivering right wing governments they would vote for the left part or gov when it was in the ascendency.

As proven by the Biden alliance disavowing the left in the last US election and losing whilst winning a broad church vote the one before in 2021 the left will come to the table to deny right wing governments when entertained.

When Corbyn was in charge of Labour despite his flaws the supposedly left wing media of the guardian and unbiased media of the BBC turned on him like an animal. Making heavy weather of coups purging and the like. Even though since then Starmer’s Labour have purged the left from the party far more aggressively than Corbyn ever did the PLP.

I don't know who or what argument you're even responding to here. You seem to be having a discussion in your own head. It's a good thing for the UK to be getting a new left wing party but if you think your countrymen in England are leftist in any large capacity enough to overcome your archaic first past the post electoral system you have a wake up call coming your way. Getting angry at a fellow leftist for simply acknowledging basic statistical mathematics is inane.

fucking hate our voting system it is awful. But it is not the left or right who are opposed to changing it. It is centrists.

Yeah duh that's the point, I literally just said your system suppresses other parties it's the two dominant centrist parties that benefit. So why are you so up in arms having a hissy fit about someone acknowledging this?

Your knowledge of our politics and political history is not sufficient for this.

Lmao I lived in the UK for years, half my family is in England and my own countries history is entirely intertwined with your own for centuries as we were in the UK ourselves. Do not lazily dismiss.

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

Whinging about establishment and declaring any grassroots movement as impossible is classic establishment talk. Trump had zero chance from the establishment or even republicans in the primaries and now he is a two time president. Forgive me if I do not believe your attempts to disqualify a left wing movement before it exists.

There is no Tory party anymore it is decimated and replaced by Reform. Conventional FPTP Labour vs conservatives does not apply anymore. Your talk of basic mathematics is not only arrogant but ignorant. There is a clear gap for a left wing party to gain many seats and influence over national policy. You just don’t want that.

Why am I up in arms? Because it is defeatist and changes nothing. The system exists based on laziness and conformity such as these arguments.

And yet you are determined to ignore any of the actual devil in the detail and parrot establishment talking points. Your assessment is the lazy one.

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-All-Hail-Megatron-@reddit

Whinging about establishment and declaring any grassroots movement as impossible is classic establishment talk.

I never said it was impossible. Nobody said it was impossible. This is what I'm talking about you're making enemies of everyone and arguing with boogymen. However something not being impossible doesn't mean it's likely or that anyone is wrong for acknowledging political demographics/ realities.

People are turning to the right mainly on immigration, the left doesn't offer a substantially different policy on immigration to the establishment, so people will continue moving right.

There is a position for the new left wing party, put your expectation that it'll engulf most of labour the same way reform has engulfed the tories is misplaced and you'll never change that through blind hope.

You just don’t want that.

I just don't want that 😂 I literally supported leftist terrorists putting a bullet in your Tory leaders skulls. I'd happily watch your entire establishment burn to the ground and be replaced with a left wing government.

Instead of being realistically optimistic, while acknowledging real likelihoods and real blockades that exist, you blindly believe your countrymen will change overnight and lash out at anyone who doesn't share your delusions even if those people support the left.

It's a stepping stone, it's not a magic button that will change the national psyche overnight.

You use trump as an example of drastic change but the reality is that the American psyche has always been that way, it's just been suppressed during times of stability and prosperity. They've never had true leftist ideals dominant in any stage of their history so if they're going to have a kneejerk reaction in times of struggle it will be a kneejerk reaction to the right. Your country is the same way.

Any shift to the left will not be a quick instinctual reaction it will require decades of grassroots effort to decouple your population from its historical "proclivities".

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Keep playing dumb

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

You have nothing to offer

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ParagonRenegade@reddit

Fourth confirmed Good^^tm Brit.

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Nobody_wood@reddit

You're definitely being idealistic. I would absolutely love a left wing government, but the chance of that seemed to have died with john Smith, and Blairs new Labour takeover.

Currently, the main issue the general voter is focusing on is immigration, because that's what they've been told is the single most important issue since the mid to late 90s. And has been beaten into them over the last 10 to 15 years. Hence why reform seems to be the "right" side of choice.

Unfortunately for the general populace, though they've been told by the billionaire owned media that immigration is the problem, the billionaires actually want high immigration to use for cheap labour, so it isn't going to end. Reform are making similar promises to the brexitiers, that will end with similar results.

Anyone who claims to be left wing will be chastised by the media to the point they aren't winning any vote, and are merely taking some percentage off Labour, much like reform did to the tories in the last GE.

Also please don't bring trump in comparison to uk politics, if a similar candidate arises, then money has drawn general opinion so far right that they'll willingly kiss the boot standing on them to get one over those who they disagree with. It's fascism, but not because they believe in the sentiment, but because it's what easily controls the vote. And I hope, generally we're not as uneducated here as that. But trump is a figure head for billionaires to destroy the country, break it up and sell off the parts, taking as much as they can in the process - not least seen from the manipulation of the stock market with the on/off tariffs.

Yeah, it's probably better to have the German party system, with so many parties that'd have to form a coalition, and thereby shift the view left, but we don't. So leftist have to infiltrate the Labour Party and pull them back left (ala aoc). But you're fighting against all media and have to hope that the general intelligence of the country doesn't fall for the most parroted viewpoints.

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Anemoia2023@reddit

Absolutely based Britbong

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JohnnyOnslaught@reddit

The thing is, it doesn't matter. Because the alternative is the status quo. The current system of left-right-left-right-left-right that FPTP systems create is just going to keep going. The only way things change is if people stick to their guns, vote for the party they actually want, and let the right-wing fuck things up enough that people become desperate enough to consider alternatives.

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SoberGin@reddit

Also, to add to your point- isn't the UK a... parliamentary system? Like, the kind where you form coalitions?

I know there's some wacky fuckery going on with its first-past-the-post voting on a local level, but wouldn't it be better for the more truly-left areas to have their own choice?

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IlluminatedPickle@reddit

Put it this way. Say there's a 50/50 split between left and right voters. The right voters mostly vote for one party. The left voters split between two parties. Who wins?

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Reform gained hugely along with the LDs mild gains,

From your own link, Reform gained 5 seats (from zero) Lib Dems gained 64 (from 8)

I don't think that exactly supports your argument lol, I bet the LibDems would love some more of those "mild" gains

Tories got trounced because they were utterly on the nose, Labour temporarily got some of those votes but they won't keep them, they'll bounce to Reform.

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IlluminatedPickle@reddit

LD gained 0.7% of the vote compared to their previous election, that's an incredibly mild gain. That translated into a lot of seats. Why did that translate into a lot of seats?

Reform gained 12.3% higher than what they did in the previous election.

Labours vote change? 1.6% higher than what they did in the previous election.

At least learn how to read election results.

The right split their vote. They lost because of it.

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_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_@reddit

That's exactly what happened:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2025/england/results

Con ⮟ 674 Ref ⮝ 667 Lab ⮟ 187 Lib ⮝ 163

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silverionmox@reddit

Except, no, that's not even remotely what happened. If it was, you'd expect, I don't know, the amount that the Conservatives to go down to be equal to the amount reform went up, no?

FPTP is only a zero sum game is there are only two parties. For its faults, the UK system manages to maintain more than two parties, so you don't get linear zero sum results.

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IlluminatedPickle@reddit

Yeah, I couldn't really be bothered trying to explain how the voting system works to someone who clearly doesn't understand it so I just went with "Here are the results, notice something?"

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kitti-kin@reddit

That makes sense, but what they said is "Every time the Tory or Reform candidate wins because their opposition is split" and confirmed, "they didn't split it, they won it".

Reform is the one majorly splitting the right wing vote, and thriving, because they're drawing voters who are exhausted with the old parties. A left wing party could do the same thing - god knows Labour at present doesn't seem likely to draw voters to the polls. There's this assumption that Labour deserves those voters somehow, but I honestly think at this rate a lot of people just aren't likely to vote. Starmer already has fewer votes than Corbyn got in 2017 and 2019.

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Generallyapathetic92@reddit

Reform have the advantage of the Tories being incredibly unpopular after 14 years in government, numerous scandals, the UK population seeming to be more to the right and appealing to pro Brexit part of the electorate. A left wing party would be less likely to have any of those advantages by 2029.

If Corbyn was unable to get elected in 2017 and had a historic loss in 2019 as Labour leader I can’t see any scenario where he can do better with a new party. All that will happen is splitting the vote.

Looking at vote numbers is a poor argument because many factors impact that. An example of that is some people didn’t bother to go and vote for Labour because it was looking like a certainty that they’d win. Also, all that means is that far more people voted against him than voted against Starmer.

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kitti-kin@reddit

You overestimate the popularity of Labour (or underestimate the Tories) - favorability polls right now have the Tories at 21%, and Labour at 23% (or YouGov has them at 16% and 22% respectively).

I just think that we need to bring a little ambition and optimism to the future, and Labour isn't offering that. While progressives tend to insist that we can't possibly achieve anything, that the best we can do is maybe hold back the tide, conservatives are bringing real energy and making the seemingly impossible happen. Again, Reform has only existed for four years, six if you want to count their time as the Brexit party - and when they turned up, the Tories were by far the most popular party. The next election could be four years away.

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Generallyapathetic92@reddit

Where have I overestimated or underestimated those parties popularity? I’m basing it on past elections, not the current polls, to show what the actual support for the left and right is in the UK.

You’ve just made my point for me. When reform turned up the Tories were by far the most popular. That’s why splitting the right wing vote might not be catastrophic in the next election (it was in 2024) because the UK leans to the right. In 2024 it was pretty bad because their vote was split and the lefts wasn’t. Since then reforms support has increased and the Tories decreased so any future split will be less damaging (to reform at least).

A new left wing party would be taking support from Labour which as you state is currently polling at 23% and in the last election did not get more than the combined Tory/ Reform vote. Therefore any split would likely lead to a reform government.

The_Pale_Blue_Dot@reddit

Rebranding as a new movement would gain far more momentum than one with no seats and baggage.

I am very much certain this is what Corbyn thinks, and it's also what every other splinter leftist party over the decades has thought.

I agree WPGB is a joke (although probably not as distant from Corbyn as his supporters would like to think), which is why the Greens really is his best shot. Afterall they're increasingly 'watermelon' greens, which is why Corbyn would fit right in. After the last election it should be clear that the Greens are increasing in popularity. Corbyn could either boost that or work against it.

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He got more votes than Starmer on a socialist manifesto what are you on about haha my god basement Redditors are cooked.

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You say I'm devoid of argument and all you did then was rant about how you voted Starmer and how I wouldn't even vote left wing. Which means you completely are dodging the topic at hand.

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

You’ve completely dodged what I even said in the first instance to argue a different topic.

I'd like to see a leftward shift in the UK but Corbyn is truly not the man to lead it. He has negative charisma with all but a very select group of supporters, who themselves are often deeply uncharismatic. Not to mention all the substantive issues he's not exactly great on (e.g. Ukraine, Brexit)

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

I agree not Corbyn to lead it but he got more votes than Starmer ever did

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maporita@reddit

Corbyn lost two successive elections as Labour leader. Before him Tony Blair won three in a row. That should tell you all you need to do about the chances of electoral success facing a left wing party.

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Massive lack of context or accuracy in this analysis.

Corbyn got more votes in 2017 and 2019 than Starmer did in 2024. The Tories collapsed and lost the election not Starmer winning it was not a justification for centrist politics over leftist, a paper bag in the Labour leader spot could have won.

In addition to being smeared by establishment media and traditional centre left media such as the Guardian and sandbagged by right wing elements of his own party that are now in charge of the gov (see Labour leaks).

Both elections in 2017 and 2019 the SNP dominated the progressive vote angling for independence. In 2024 they collapsed completely gifting Starmer around 30 seats for free.

The 2019 election was massively dominated by Brexit whereas 2024 the issue did not exist. Boris entirely ran on three words “get Brexit done” and rallied all of Leave to him. Corbyn however had to split the stance between progressives who wanted to remain and working class voters who wanted to leave. The modern reform party in 2019 was the Brexit party and deliberately stood only in red wall leave backing seats to split the Labour vote and cost them seats to the Tories. In 2024 Reform stood everywhere and cost both the Tories and Labour seats feeding off their collapse.

The fact Corbyn came so close in 2017 to winning tells you an actual left wing Labour movement that drives meaningful change has plenty of chances to win an election in the UK. It just has to fight way harder against the BBC and media.

This Starmer government is not a left wing party. It is adopting the austerity measures of Cameron and culture war politics of the right wing. It is to the right of Blair and Brown.

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No in modern times the left comes to the table and the centrists usually betray or kick them to the curb to go it alone for ideological reasons and the lose to right wing populism. Biden reached out in 2019 for a broad church approach with the left of the Democratic Party and got over the line. In 2024 they abandoned the left tried to win over conservatives and got crushed as a result.

Macron in France called an election for his own ego lost it and woudl not work with the left coalition that won the most seats. Hence then almost lost the country to Le Pen and the National Front. So don’t talk about centrism being the sensible ones, they are as dogmatic to their ideals as any far left or right movement.

Your argument is also foolish as Starmer is not left wing his government adopting right wing policy from social conservatism to austerity same as Cameron and Osbourne’s Tory party. Hence there is no faction to align with or vote to split. They are not the same. Also irrelevant since Reform exists and is splitting the Tory vote.

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I'll believe the truth, you believe what you feel.

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Ponk2k@reddit

Truth is when Jeremy was within touching distance of power he shat the bed giving credence to nonsense from the red tops and allowed his party to crumble around him even with the purges.

Truth is lectures in America couldn't hold their nose long enough to take power because Harris was too centrist and was friendly to anti trump republicans.

But sure yeah, I'm the one going off feelings

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-SneakySnake-@reddit

I don't disagree about Corbyn's flaws, but that's a generational thing for him.

And the Democrats thing, again, is just wrong. You can keep repeating it, but you'll just be consistently mistaken.

If I have to keep correcting you about factual things, what else are you going off of?

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Ponk2k@reddit

Ignoring the facts doesn't make them go away buddy

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And yet you're the Facts Man who won't show a single one. And crumbles when confronted with any.

You can keep doing that but you'll just be emblematic of the problems of "centrist" politics; pretend you're the logical one and stick your fingers in your ears rather than even pretend to acknowledge a single legitimate point of contention.

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Ponk2k@reddit

I'm not centrist in the slightest. What I am is disgusted that rather than grin and bear it and do slowly slowly the left always fucking conspires to blow itself up from within over what generally end up being niche issues

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-SneakySnake-@reddit

Well now that's two lies you've told.

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

They didn’t come out to vote as you offered nothing to the progressive element. You tried to appease and coddle to republicans. Yet you blame the left for not voting for you. This was your defeat. Own it.

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Ponk2k@reddit

Im not American, blame me all you want but it's pretty fucking stupid.

This circles all the way back round again to the stupid ideological purity nonsense, rather than vote for the least worst option you hold your hands up and abdicate responsibility and say I'm not going to vote for them because their not 100% exactly what I want.

Guess we can see what happens at the next election!

If it’s reality does that still count as gaslighting?

I’d fully enjoy a more left wing government to be clear.

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Bauser99@reddit

"You'd fully enjoy it" -- Just... not enough to actually support it, apparently?

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aznkl@reddit

it will just split the vote, and thanks to FPTP, guarantee a right-wing victory

I want to point out, this problem exists here in Canada too. We constantly get the left-wing (NDP) and centrist (Liberals) parties fighting for the same votes and this results in a far-right, hatred spewing Conservative claiming the spot as MP.

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Bauser99@reddit

Humanity's doomed and the death knell will just be these three sentences repeating over and over

L: "We should change the way we live because our current course is demonstrably harmful, and here is a clear plan for how to do that"

R: "That stupid loser hates you and wants to destroy your way of life, so actually we need to keep doing everything we've done before, like violent, racist imperialism, except even HARDER than ever before"

C: "UnU Change is scawy... No change pwease... I vote R..."

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calloutyourstupidity@reddit

Love it. First time a government is actually achieving something, you are barking at the shadows. What I learnt recently, is that left wing can be as dumb as the right wing, which I thought was impossible.

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v00d00_@reddit

If you count lurching further right than Blair as an achievement, sure, I guess

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Prince_Ire@reddit

Isn't the right wing vote itself being split between the Tories and reform?

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catmanplays@reddit

A right wing victory is already guaranteed if a leftist populist party doesn't step up to counter the right wing narratives that dominate UK political discourse.

The neo lib to far right populism has happened all over the world.

The UK has no leftist parties so this is something necessary

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DiabolicBlue@reddit

This is entirely by design of how Turkey, Russia, Hungary keep power is by endorsing things like this to make sure there’s no united or organized opposition while removing anybody who actually is. This carries on until the only people who can run have to be personally approved by the autocrat in the first place similar to Iran or Russia where any opposition is chosen as guys who can only be in the position in the first place because they aren’t a threat. If anything, the push is almost certainly more as a silent partner than meant to be serious.

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Cease-the-means@reddit

Yes, Britain needs PR more than anything else.

Modern politics doesn't fit into two polar parties. For example in the Netherlands there are four parties with different agendas that would be considered 'Labour' in the UK.

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RelicAlshain@reddit

Wtf do you mean split the vote, what's there to split? There is no major left wing party in the UK

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The_Pale_Blue_Dot@reddit

There are lots of smaller left wing parties. The two main left wing forces he could be joining are Greens (preferably) and WPBG (if he's a bell end).

Yet another small leftist party does no one any good.

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IAMADon@reddit

Labour, Reform, and Tories split fighting for the same ~40% of right-wing votes:

Just what the country wants!

A single left wing party:

Splitting the vote guaranteeing the right-wing wins.

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AVeryBadMon@reddit

Corbyn is a clown through and through. He regularly spews conspiracy theory bullshit, he is horrendously incompetent, and hesimps for dictators, authoritarian states, and extremist groups.

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pinpoint14@reddit

The left needs to find it's voice. I'm all for vehicles that help that happen.

The left Wing vote being split ala Reform and the Tories, leading to a right leaning government?

The left wing has a role in politics beyond covering up for moderates.

If you want the left to be a partner in a coalition, then make the concessions to them that are commiserate to their importance in said coalition.

Yeah. HUGE misstep politically. The highest priority of the electorate was Brexit. His weakness on the topic was why he lost.

Labour Party in general should have pushed back against it hard. They completely missed their chance.

That’s what he will be remembered for.

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EternalAngst23@reddit

Indeed, I am in full agreeance with you, good sir/ma’am. I think a new political party is a fantastic idea. Marvellous, even. Stupendous, perhaps.

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Pick_Scotland1@reddit

It pointless though the party will be ass blasted to the next century like corbyn was last time

The guy who wanted to send the Novichok sample from Salisbury to Russia, so Russia could say if it was theirs or not.

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SparrowDotted@reddit

Because that is what the Chemical Weapons Convention calls for.

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Secret-Look-88@reddit

If you want to follow the set out procedures for establishing guilt then that means you support whatever crime the accusation is about.

For example if you think people suspected of murder should get a trial with a chance to examine the evidence against them and question it then you are pro murder.

The sensible approach is just to let authorities decide what is true and trust them blindly.

Anything else is communism/fascism/anti semitism.

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the_lonely_creeper@reddit

Russia isn't a common criminal. They're far more dangerous, dishonest, and powerful. And far more guilty.

And frankly, exactly what would be the point of sending it to Russia?

Russia would either admit to guilt or deny it based on political factors and personal interests, nothing else.

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Secret-Look-88@reddit

Right so if we have a serial killer we should skip the court process and just lock them up?

So if we give Russia a sample they will declare themselves innocent but if we don't they will declare themselves innocent.

So if we are telling the truth why not just send them the sample.

The only reason I have ever been able to come up with to give them a sample is because Russia didn't do it.

I don't know that they didn't but I can't think of any other reason to not share it.

I'm happy to hear a logical reason why we shouldn't.

Them denying it happened anyway so that isn't logical.

It's like refusing to give a serial killer a trial because they will plead not guilty. Quite frankly following procedure is even more important in that circumstance.

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Schlachterhund@reddit

Why should Polish national neuroses play such an outsized role in non-Polish politics?

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Grzechoooo@reddit

Yeah, so why did he oppose that? Surely it's in the British best interest for Europe to be part of a pro-British alliance? For all of Europe to grow economically so Britain can trade with them? Leaving Central Europe to Russia is against British interest.

Of course, that's ignoring the moral problems of leaving countries to an authoritarian state as puppets, but that's a given.

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NorthAtlanticTerror@reddit

Bill Clinton, Henry Kissinger, George Kennan and the entire state department were against NATO expansion into Poland before the 1996 election turned it into a political tool.

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SunwayTheory@reddit

And? In the 90's many were against gay rights too.

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v00d00_@reddit

It’s just astounding how little people in the supposedly “free world” are willing to reflect on NATO’s role in escalation. The only facts that matter to most westerners invested in the discussion are those that help paint Putin as a second coming of Hitler.

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silverionmox@reddit

It’s just astounding how little people in the supposedly “free world” are willing to reflect on NATO’s role in escalation. The only facts that matter to most westerners invested in the discussion are those that help paint Putin as a second coming of Hitler.

NATO expands by voluntary accession. If Russia can't deal with that it's their problem.

Do keep in mind we return the favor: Russia's alliance with Belarus is not contested by NATO as illegitimate, and NATO doesn't say they need to give permission to Belarus to allow it; and unlike Russia, we didn't see it as a reason to invade Belarus first to prevent it.

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Czart@reddit

The escalation of not letting russia take over half a continent again. The horrors.

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Crazyburger42@reddit

We all know that NATO disappearing would lead to russia storming into Eastern Europe, raping and pillaging until they hit a heavily defended border.

No one said Starmer was popular either, doesn't change the fact Corbyn had 6% less votes than Theresa May.

That was also his peak popularity, he'd get way less votes now due to being a tankie and Russia have invaded Ukraine.

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Then again, Brits do hate Slavic immigrants

No we don't. A few xenophobic cunts may do, but they hate everyone who aren't English.

On the whole though we have a lot of respect for the Polish people. Never met anyone in real life who had anything bad to say the Polish. But I heard many singing praise for them.

Personally speaking, all the Polish, Latvian and Lithuanian people i have met have been really good people.

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Then it's simple really, if these are the "simple socialist positions" then socialism as an ideology is entirely garbage and should be disregarded in the realm of serious politics.

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ParagonRenegade@reddit

I don’t care about your reactionary opinion to be frank, and never solicited it.

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AVeryBadMon@reddit

You both care and you solicited, you replied to my comments... twice.

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ParagonRenegade@reddit

I was calling out that your objection is just an uneducated opinion you threw out into the void, it's a completely vapid point based in your own biases.

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AVeryBadMon@reddit

This is just a bunch gibberish. I made a list of bullet points showcasing Corbyn's positions over the years to demonstrate why he's a clown. You called these demonstrably shitty positions "basic socialist positions" and that you support for some reason. You never gave me a proper rebuttal to anything that I said or explained why you support these positions. I simply pointed out that if these shitty positions are "basic" in socialism, as you have claimed, then the entire ideology is pure shit because it doesn't stand for anything decent, and I stand by these words.

This your 3rd comment crying and whining about me because I disagree with you and these shitty views while not providing any explanations or arguments. I'm interested in complaining, if you have nothing of value to provide, then stop replying to comments.

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ParagonRenegade@reddit

You made a list of propagandized and charged statements rooted in your own right wing understanding of socialist ideals and policies mixed with propaganda and handwringing. It's nonsense designed to be emotionally charged and prevent people from engaging with it.

I explained it perfectly clearly; socialists oppose capitalism, socialists oppose war and foreign adventurism, socialists oppose indirect violence against other nations, socialists oppose neocolonialism, and socialists oppose organizations designed to contain socialist influence. Nothing about that is hard to understand unless you refuse to understand it, you just don't agree with it, or agree with those in another liberal framing.

Mundane_Emu8921@reddit

Lol. I love how Brits call the IRA “terrorists” but Americans call them “freedom fighters”.

are you saying that you oppose ending the war in Ukraine? Lol.

“He wanted to stop a war! That is too radical! The war should continue because it doesn’t affect us.”

stopping Trident is absolutely necessary. It looks really weak and funny when you use a foreign missile for your nukes. UK doesn’t even have its own nukes. They borrow them from America.

So why is UK spending billions a year on that?

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ICXCNIKAMFV@reddit

" love how Brits call the IRA “terrorists”"

I got a little story for you. My granny is English, and moved with grandad to belfast because the housing was cheap and grandad had a nice job working on designing a powerstation. My mum used to get bullied in school for playing with her neighbour, who was a irish catholic girl while she was proddy. One day after school, her road was swarming with police, and the Irish catholic family were gone. It turns out that on the opposite side of the road was a senior member of the RUC, and the father of the catholic family was in the PIRA, and was caught putting an IED under his car. the same car the RUC officer took his child to school in. my mum only realised how messed up that situation was when she left ulster as an adult, and it is something your average American wont ever understand

They are terrorist scum, and plastic paddy fuck wads can shove their sympathies up their hairy twats

"are you saying that you oppose ending the war in Ukraine? Lol."

No I am opposed to letting Ukraine bleed to death and russia stomp her. Ukraine surrendering tomorrow will not make a just or lasting peace, it will just provide a reprieve for the russians to regroup, play nice diplomatically to get some trade before starting again on another nation they want, perhaps georgia, or japan, or a little slice of the baltics. invading ukraine wasnt a logical or good idea, but it didnt stop them nor has it prevented the deaths of thousands of innocent civvies

So I am not opposed to the ending of the war in ukraine, but it will not make a better future until the russians are convinced they cant have it by military means, and that will only happen by providing the russian state will more dead russians, because Putin does not give a fuck about your little letters or how fucked his economy is or the suffering of he russian people. You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth

"stopping Trident is absolutely necessary. It looks really weak and funny when you use a foreign missile for your nukes. UK doesn’t even have its own nukes."

that just isnt true is it, we have our own nuclear weapons and it gives you a nice seat at the big boys table when diplomacy gets tough because nobody fancies getting a big city turned into a humanitarian disaster beyond what mankind has ever faced before. and as shown, sitting on your moral high horse does not help when evil is a real tangible thing. the supreme authority in this world is violence and as long as people believe that, it is true, and as long as one man has something the other wants and stones exist that will stay true

old corbyn will have to recon with the truth that people will want to do harm and no amount of pacifism will change their behaviour

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Mundane_Emu8921@reddit

Bigger question is why is there a smear campaign against Corbyn.

It's strange to think about it, but it's true.

The propaganda that comes out of our televisions and devices. The exorbitant prices of food, rent and energy -- all in our own homes.

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Bauser99@reddit

Do you understand that the institutions of the world are predominantly operated by the people and groups that possess the most capital?

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supra728@reddit

No, they're in office towers and mansions. The media billionaires who sway public opinion so that they focus on anything except the correct target. For example at the moment, trans people.

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Gorillainabikini@reddit

The smart thing would be to take a back seat after forming the party.

The party won’t win if he’s front and centre give to someone young and charismatic and do stuff behind the scenes

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

Agreed

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UnclePjupp@reddit

But that's the problem, isn't it?

"The best of the worst" shouldn't be the line which we measure people that are supposed to lead a country

We actually need competent men and women who sees ruling a country first as the priority and not the power you get from it. We need someone willing to take on headfirst issues that are plaguing the universe at this moment but without throwing people in the fucking ditches to make them go throuh.

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AwTomorrow@reddit

He simply should not lead any such party. He’s old enough that honestly he shouldn’t even run again in Islington North. He should endorse the new party but step aside to let younger leadership take it from there.

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RBII@reddit

Corbyn did more damage to the left than any British figure before him. His entire time in office was dictated by his CoS Seamus Milne. A man who failed to competently organise the members or the PLP, who ran the party as an extension of his own ego, rather than an opportunity to introduce left economics to a new generation. Corbyn was a guy fawkes of the socialist agenda and should be left in the dustbin where he belongs.

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BabylonianWeeb@reddit

The UK needs a party that is very left on everything but immigration.

So often, the anti immigration parties and also the dumb anti lgbt, anti free health care, pro israel, anti eu, pro russia, pro trump all that moronic shit.

If more very left leaning parties had a anti immigration stance I feel like a lot of power would we be removed from the far right parties and make them much less of a threat.

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SunwayTheory@reddit

Isn't Corbyn also pro Russia and "axis of resistance" lol

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_El_Bokononista_@reddit

The UK needs a party that is very left on everything but immigration.

You keep insisting on this, but you don't learn, do you? Just rewriting to make you understand: Left-wing movements aren't against immigration. Left wings oppose immigration as a mechanism for wage suppression. The problem lies with the neoliberal use of an expanded labour force to weaken worker protections and drive wages down. That wouldn't be the case if strong workers laws advocated by the left were respected.

If Corbyn stick to what the left is demanding of him, immigration won't be a problem.

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marcusaurelius_phd@reddit

Left wings oppose immigration as a mechanism for wage suppression.

Problem is they don't oppose immigration, period.

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_El_Bokononista_@reddit

BSW do for this reason.

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SowingSalt@reddit

Leftists keep falling for the lump of labor fallacy. It's infuriating.

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silverionmox@reddit

Leftists keep falling for the lump of labor fallacy. It's infuriating.

Annual cost of refugees, housing pressures, social services demand, healthcare demands, societal/ cultural issues due to stress on government integration programs from the scale of immigrants, overcrowded conditions for refugees and the rise of the far right.

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silverionmox@reddit

Annual cost of refugees

Migrants cost European governments less than their native-born citizens do

housing pressures, social services demand, healthcare demands

Migrants play a key rol in the housing, healthcare, etc. sectors, so doing without them will reduce the personnel in those sectors per capita.

societal/ cultural issues due to stress on government integration programs from the scale of immigrants overcrowded conditions for refugees

Which is caused just as much by the fearmongering around migration, making integration needlessly difficult. In addition to racism by landlords and employers, causing segregation.

and the rise of the far right.

This is a cause, not a symptom. You're victim blaming.

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EternalAngst23@reddit

You’re conflating left-wing politics with the labour movement in general. Progressives support immigration because they think it is the moral, or correct, thing to do. The labour movement has historically opposed high levels of immigration for undercutting local wages and conditions. However, as the years have rolled on, the UK Labour Party has gradually drifted from its unionist roots, and transformed into a catch-all centrist party that generally endorses multiculturalism and high levels of immigration. Combine this with the Conservatives’ tacit support for immigration, and you essentially have a two-party consensus where the only alternatives are radical minor parties.

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eeeking@reddit

In the UK at least, anti-immigration politics is very twisted.

Typically, the focus is on "illegal" asylum seekers, who actually represent a very small fraction of total immigration. Notably, ~80% of asylum seekers have their claim approved, i.e. they were genuine refugees.

Those who support the rights of these refugees to asylum in the UK are labelled "far left", when in fact their position is a centrist, law abiding one.

The "mass immigration", or the bulk of immigrants, criticized by the Right is in fact the consequence of (mostly right-wing) government policy. Such immigrants are also fully legal.

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LeMotJuste1901@reddit

Not answering the question is tacit support for Hamas. Pretty simple.

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protonpack@reddit

This you?

What do you mean? He has openly stated he supports Hamas

You're not making yourself look better.

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LeMotJuste1901@reddit

What? Are you daft lol

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Kite_sunday@reddit

I support the IRA tho.

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ICXCNIKAMFV@reddit

idk you can say you dont like millions starving without supporting a terrorist organisation that mutilates corpses and proudly kills civvies

not really a hard concept to grasp

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The_Pale_Blue_Dot@reddit

Do I really need to explain why this comment is a logical fallacy

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AVeryBadMon@reddit

The anti-Israel brainrot on this sub it starting to reach an extreme where "anti-zionists" here are just reflections of the Zionist they whine and moan about.

There's more to this universe than this tiny shitty piece of land in the Middle East that has been fought over thousands of years for God knows what. When you actually look at who Corybn is, what he stands for, and what he campaigns on, you'll quickly realize that this guy is a complete imbecile.

He's entirely responsible for his tarnished reputation, and it's well deserved. In fact, he's not criticized enough for the shit he said. This is not the guy to be leading anything, let alone a powerful country like the UK, and he certainly isn't worth defending.

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HorizonBC@reddit

Deny the smear campaign against Corbyn is ignorance. The orchestrated destruction of his reputation, including by many within the Labour Party, is a fact.

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AVeryBadMon@reddit

The orchestrated destruction of his reputation, including by many within the Labour Party, is a fact.

Your opinions aren't facts. He ruined his own reputation and his decades long track record of moronic actions and positions is proof. This isn't some secret. He's open about his pro-Russia talking points on Ukraine, he wants to undermine western institutions like NATO, and he LOVES dictators and terrorist groups (and I'm not even talking about Hamas). He was so grossly incompetent as well which is why he fumbled to elections against a terrible Tory party. He lost so badly in 2019 that he had to resign from his position as leader of the Labour party.

The reality is Corbyn has strong support among left leaning Brits, Corbyn won more votes than Starmer.

That's because the turnout was lower by 4 million votes. Stramer beat Sunak by about as much percentage wise as Boris Johnson beat Corbyn.

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SunwayTheory@reddit

UK leftists can afford to love figures like Putin because they never had to endure Russian oppression.

They ought to go live in Iran and Russia to get a taste of what they love so much. Else they are a bunch of hypocrites.

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architecTiger@reddit

You’re clearly brainwashed by Zionist media. Corbyn is a decent English gentleman. His views may be left-leaning and unconventional, but it’s the British public who should judge him, as he is a politician. For your information, politicians often say what they believe will get them votes. If he truly were what you describe, there would be no need to run such an intense campaign against him in the British media. And it’s not just the BBC—outlets from LBC to the Daily Mail have all joined in, driven by Zionist-controlled interests determined to tarnish his rise.

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AVeryBadMon@reddit

It's always the same with you lot. You're always the poor victims of some grand conspiracy. There's never any sense of accountability.

This idea that this guy was a victim of some spooky media campaign is nothing more than a cope that is exclusively spewed by people who supported this clown's shitty takes. It doesn't matter how much you deny it, the reality is that this clown ruined his own reputation with his idiotic takes. From simping for terrorist groups and dictators to denying war crimes to being a massive hypocrite to going against the interests of the country he wanted to run for.

He was the leader of the Labour party for 5 years, and during this time he lost two election to the horrendously dysfunctional Tories. The 2019 general election was the worst defeat for the Labour party since 1935. Corbyn's defeat was so atrocious that he was forced to resign from his leadership position and hand it over to someone else. It took Keir Starmer 4 years to undo the damage that Corbyn did to the party and finally win another election.

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Bobinator2000@reddit

You’re clearly brainwashed by the Zionist media

Please can the left not devolve into the same lack of analysis as MAGA? Replace "Zionist media" with "LAMEstream media" (or whatever childish name MAGA use for media now) and you can hopefully see how empty and dismissive that sentence is.

I voted for Corbyn at every opportunity I had, but there are plenty of good reasons to not like Corbyn (i.e. his reluctance to back NATO before the Ukraine war, he's a Eurosceptic, wanting unilateral UK nuclear disarmament). His Labour leadership was also contentious within the party itself, and whether this was him vs the ZiOnIsT boogeyman or not, you can't unite a party behind such a divisive character.

Long and short of it: Yes there was a ridiculous scare campaign against Corbyn during the 2019 election (I remember a black bus rolling through my town with a picture of Corbyn on the side, accompanied by the message "Would you trust this man with your children?") but that doesn't mean that he wasn't the wrong guy for PM.

And it’s not just the BBC—outlets from LBC to the Daily Mail have all joined in, driven by Zionist-controlled interests determined to tarnish his rise.

Please read this back and realise how terminally online you sound (or again replace with MAGA appropriate wording if you're struggling to see what I mean). It's a way for you to reassure yourself that it's not that the movement that's unpopular, it's the "establishment" or "Zionists" etc.

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Avaisraging439@reddit

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Alarmed-Shopping1592@reddit

You should look at the failures of the 20th century left too while you're at it.

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leaveme1912@reddit

I have. Their failure was not in winning the revolution which was the whole subject of the comment you replied to! I'm not a fan of how the USSR turned out, but Lenin was an organizational genius and anyone with an interest in politics should read him.

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Alarmed-Shopping1592@reddit

The ruling class will not kill all the people they profit from, who will be left to actually work? That's the most counter-productive thing to do.

Elections are one of the ways to influence state politics, what's wrong about it?

A lot of brave and romantic words thrown around, sounds like some fantasy about international revolution that's ever imminent but never actually happens.

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I wish the left could organize like the right can but when you participate in these parties you understand why. The values of people on the left are what undermine their political ambitions.

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ArticArny@reddit

Labour just barely took power from the Conservatives and here comes Corbyn looking to split the vote for the next election.

Is it ego or is it a fat yellow envelope filled with best wishes in 50s?

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You interpretation is so contrived that it borders on insanity.

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Tasgall@reddit

And yet you can't answer the question that should be trivial if it was actually contrived or "insane".

I'm asking because I don't live there and don't know the answer already. Most of what I've heard since the election has been critical, and seems well-founded. I figured maybe I'm not hearing a fair representation of the other side, but if all you can come up with is calling even basic questioning "insane", then either you don't actually know (you also don't live there after all), or you do know but can't present it in a way that doesn't just confirm the criticisms I've already heard.

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M_ch_4@reddit

I pray Jeremy corbyn's party becomes successful. Jeremy Corbyn needs another chance.. He was smeared last time. And we were robbed of the greatest prime minister we never had.

Corbyn has the best record of criticising Putin of any British MP.

As for the Palestine stuff there is literally a genocide going on right now, nobody normal gives a flying fuck about the resistance movements of the Palestinians.

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ParagonRenegade@reddit

Don't worry, your genocide supporting government will still be able to kiss Israel's ass at every opportunity and making your armed forces the butt of a joke like they are now.

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loggy_sci@reddit

Says the Canadian.

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ParagonRenegade@reddit

don't worry, we're stringing you Amerifats along to do all the actual work, because we know none of your people have the balls to lift a finger and do anything while your elites strip your country for copper wire

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NaethanC@reddit

As much as the UK needs a proper no-nonsense left-wing party right now, I feel like this will have disastrous consequences for the next election in terms of splitting the vote in favour of Reform. We desperately need to move away from the FPTP election system.

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eeeking@reddit

This comes at the same time as the call in France for a new International:

Le Monde: French left plans to create a 'progressive international' to fight against the far right

Such developments seem necessary in the face of the international nature of the Far Right, with Musk wishing to interfere in German elections, the Likud and other right wing nationalists in Gaza, Russian interference in the EU, etc.

Most importantly, this emerging trend will have to ensure that it is not anchored in 20th century left-right paradigm, where Russia drove support for Communists, etc., and bizarrely is still sometimes seen as "leftist"

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Alarmed-Shopping1592@reddit

I mean some people on this sub pretend that Russia is just an innocent victim of evil NATO "escalation", so of course they see it as leftist.

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_Spare_15_@reddit

I bet himself and like three more political editorialist from The Guardian are going to be elated by the news.

A man who led his party to stand quietly during Brexit and allow it to happen just because he was into LEXIT forty years earlier. He inspires as much political will as the famous lettuce.

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Expected political literacy from an American, a country with a population so mollified they don't do anything to improve their situation as both major parties fuck them spectacularly.

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TheDoomMelon@reddit

Since Labour does not provide anything for those who do actually generate the wealth it is needed. The people who puppet Labour are centre right and subscribe to Osborne Cameron politics that put this country on the down turn. Instead it fights culture wars and strips benefits even further.