How not to fight populism: a lesson from Romania • The real culprits for the rise of the right are the complacent parties who have ruled since the 1989 revolution
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demonspawns_ghost@reddit
Isn't it strange how the idea of representing the interests of the majority of people has become such a threat to certain circles.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
It has always been like that.
Liberalism has always been inherently undemocratic. Basically, liberals believe in rule by an enlightened elite.
The classic example that EU liberals always cite is the death penalty. Sizable pluralities or outright majorities in Europe favor implementation of a death penalty.
But figures like Macron scoff at that idea and praise the genius of court decisions that eliminated the death sentence.
The European Union is based off the model of enlightened people, ostensibly above petty national/ethnic squabbles, neutral & progressive individuals making all decisions.
This is how you end up with an unelected commission (approving appointees is not the same thing as elections) and a parliament that can’t introduce legislation.
StatusExam@reddit
I think it's good not to have the death penalty, the State shouldn't be allowed to execute people
Oatcake47@reddit
Agreed, only time it should be wide spread is revolution is against tyranny which is treason against the people. The penalty for high treason can legally still be death pretty much the world over. Apart from that death serves nothing but the smooth monkey brain in us to cause harm, because of harm received. The best justice for murder is for the convicted to lose power over the victim and realise their wrong doing. Not saying it happens all the time, but the times it does and for the times justice is served with a pardon is the right path.
electronicdaosit@reddit
How about your first make it ilegal to bomb or invade another country?
France is literally the reason Libya is a failed state .
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
And yet you have tons of French people who act like the migrant crisis “just appeared out of nowhere”.
electronicdaosit@reddit
Yup, literal emails by the US secretary of state mention that the French instigated the initial protest, supported rebel groups and the final nato military action because they owed Quadaffi a bunch of gold and didn't want to pay him.
Now they prance around with a rainbow flag and talk shit to developing nations.
FreeCapone@reddit
There's a reason you have a constitution that protects basic rights that puts them above the will of the people. Liberal democracy doesn't mean tyranny by the majority, you can't vote rights away
alternaivitas@reddit
It's just that these politicians have nothing in common with the common people... They get rich from corruption and feed their friends.
some-craic@reddit
This whole ordeal has been a real mask off moment for 'democracy'. If anybody believes that glorified popularity contest winners are truly ruling your country, you are cooked. These men and women take their run books from think tanks that align their interests with the rich and powerful. They are merely there to sell you the bad news and when the think tank screws up, they face wash with a new guy and try a new angle. They got all the time in the world.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Also has a lot of El Turno vibes, which was the process in Spain before their Civil War where you had 2 parties, one right wing, the other in the center-ish.
The winner would be picked by the king before an election. The actual election was really just for appearances (like in Romania).
There wasn’t really much difference between the parties.
Basically what would happen is one party would pass some horrendous piece of legislation, like restricting the franchise.
People would get angry. Strike. Protest. Etc.
An election would be held where the opposition party wins (usually by some large landslide).
That turno quiets public anger. The incoming government promises the people everything.
But they just continue the policies of the previous government.
Rinse & repeat.
serdeeea@reddit
so, a guy shows out of nowhere, in the polls before elections he has around 2-3%, wins the first round with 23%. The second round of elections is canceled because of him being suspicious. Then he starts sporting extreme right propaganda, then acquaintances of him plot a take over of the country with firearms and assassinations, they are arrested because someone in his camp talked to the police. In the mean time, the guy gets accused of election fraud and planing to go past the constitutional order. Then the elections are reprogrammed and the guy wants to candidate again. But he is refused because of the accusations he is facing. In his place, another guy runs for elections. This guy wins the first round with 41%. But in the 2 weeks between the first and second tours, he gets nuked at the only debate he participates. Then this guy goes live on french tv and says that Macron is a dictator and France is like Iran. Then this guy loses with around 1 million votes to the other guy, the guy you say won because of appearances
seriously, at least tell the truth, don't make shit up