Israel calls on the EU to exert pressure 'where it belongs' after Brussels opts to review trade ties
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SpontaneousFlame@reddit
It’s been 19 months of mass murder and nonstop abuses. Rapes, infanticide, war crimes, collective punishment, ethnic cleansing and genocide.
And now the EU has developed morals and a spine? Is this a case where it’s ok to mass murder 15,000 Palestinian children but murdering 16,000 is wrong?
This is absurd. EU, don’t change. Keep trading with Israel. You know that’s what you want to do. Instead pull out of every international treaty that prohibits genocide, war crimes or collective punishment and write your own version that only applies to white people and a few chosen others. Explicitly exclude Muslims and black or brown people from having human rights or being recognised as human. Actually write your values down and then formally ratify them, so you end the hypocrisy. You’ll be so much happier when you do, and the world will be so much easier to understand. Extend this new set of rules to all western states.
Western states, be honest. You don’t care if a few thousand or a few hundred thousand or a few million Palestinians die. You have broken all the rules to support Israel so far. Why stop now?
jadedflames@reddit
Famine seems to be the only human rights issue that most of the world cares about. Some people are fine seeing children being killed with bombs and guns, but as soon as the photos of children with all their ribs showing are published, it becomes a humanitarian crisis
selfly@reddit
Eh, not really. Most of those people hate us and would kill me given the chance. Those that chant, "Death to America", why should I give a shit about them?
TheDBryBear@reddit
Don't care how late they are. all that matters is that pressure is applied. They were craven then, they are craven now, I just want to see results.
Monterenbas@reddit
Well, the rest of the world have showed that it was absolutely fine for strong countries to invade and destroy their weaker neighbors and that agressive expansionist behavior shouldn’t be met with sanctions, on the contrary, it should be rewarded with increased trade.
The EU is only getting up to date with the rest of the crew here.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Which non-western states other than Israel are allowed to invade their neighbours with impunity?
-OhHiMarx-@reddit
He is probably talking about Russia. And it is upset that the world won't shoot themselves in the foot like they are doing.
Monterenbas@reddit
Sure nobody should shot themself in the foot, no reasons to oppose what Israel is doing then, right?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
You know that Russia is being sanctioned, right?
Monterenbas@reddit
Only by western countries tho. Everybody else is fine with what’s Russia is doing.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
So the western countries sanctioning Russia but not Israel leads you to feel that western countries are hypocritical, and therefore shouldn’t sanction Israel? Instead they should stop sanctioning Russia, which would make them even more hypocritical…
Monterenbas@reddit
It led me to feel that western countries should act like the rest of the world and if it’s inconvenient for us to sanction a genocidal regime such as Israel, then we shouldn’t do it.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Yep, typical Zionist logic. If it’s a choice between holding Israel accountable or being hypocrites then you demand the EU become hypocrites.
Monterenbas@reddit
Yep, typical vatnik logic. If it’s a choice between holding Russia accountable or being hypocrites then you demand Russia’s friends become hypocrites.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Israel commits genocide so you want Russia held accountable by… stopping EU criticism of Israel??
Monterenbas@reddit
I want countries who call on the EU to sanction Israel, to either sanction Putin’s Russia or keep it quiet.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
What about…?
Also, and brace yourself this is going to stun you, I’m not actually a country.
Monterenbas@reddit
It’s nothing to do with about.
But if some countries don’t feel concerned by international law, why would they expect other countries to abide by it?
Don’t you see a clear case of cognitive dissonance here?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Yes, but it’s yours.
If European countries want the rule of law followed sometimes but not others they are just as big a problem as those you are criticising.
Monterenbas@reddit
Maybe read the tread? Cause that’s absolutely not the case here.
Nevermind that I’m absolutely fine ditching international all together and go for a « might makes right » approach, wich is what most of the world seems to wish anyway.
Sucks for the Palestinians tho, but if it’s what the people want…
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
This is hilarious. You are so transparently lying it’s funny.
I’ve known a lot of “might makes right” proponents. None of them ever had a philosophy along the lines of “I support international law but if you don’t I will completely abandon all my beliefs…” they’re all chicken hawks who never cared for international law.
Monterenbas@reddit
Where is the lie tho?
You did misunderstood my philosophy wich is, if nobody else cares about international laws, why should we?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Wow! 3 posts in a statement, and all of them contradicting at least one of the other two!
Monterenbas@reddit
ok, you're obviously a very smart person, have a good day.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Why thank you. You have a good day too.
WurzelGummidge@reddit
Who is this
That you keep talking about
Monterenbas@reddit
Everyone beside Western countries.
WurzelGummidge@reddit
FTFY
Monterenbas@reddit
Well, I guess that the other ones are doing what Russia told them to do then.
-OhHiMarx-@reddit
Where is the beacon of morality? Where are the rule based order? Do you agree to ditch that bullshit that you babble about all the time?
Monterenbas@reddit
Why should we be the only ones to abide by rule based order, if nobody else cares about it?
Like I said, Europe is just now getting up to date, with the rest of the world.
-OhHiMarx-@reddit
I asked myself the same thing. Why do you preach that so much? Ask your representatives now.
Monterenbas@reddit
Russia
-OhHiMarx-@reddit
The most sanctioned country in the world?
Monterenbas@reddit
Sanctioned by who?
-OhHiMarx-@reddit
By the world, right? Didn't you lever the 17th sanction pack just yesterday?
Monterenbas@reddit
Not the world, only western countries, rest of the world is absolutely indifferent to what Russia is doing.
-OhHiMarx-@reddit
Not Western world, not even that you get right: the anglosphere and it's sphere of influence. And you know why it is failing? Because even you can't follow the rules that you applied to yourselves.
Monterenbas@reddit
Then it’s also fine to not sanction Israel, what’s the tantrum about?
-OhHiMarx-@reddit
Because my country stopped any arms deals with Israel and never sold weapons to Russia, which already put us on an morally higher ground than you.
Monterenbas@reddit
Lol, sure, if that’s makes you feel better.
Brazil having a shitty weapon industry, compare to Israel and Russia, doesn’t put you on any moral high ground, especially since you’ve sanctioned neither of them. At least, you’re consistent in your support of fascistic regime, can’t take that away from you.
-OhHiMarx-@reddit
Are you illiterated? We BLOCKED the arms deal with Israel. We aren't buying their crap anymore. And Brazil is the 8th world ammo exporter mate. Shitty hm?
onespiker@reddit
Doesn't really say much. Especially considering who Israel buys the most from.
Also only blocking that arms deal doesn't do a thing on them. You still trade pretty much the same amount before and after.
Monterenbas@reddit
But you buy from Russia, how is it better?
Might as well trade with Israel while you’re at it, they’re the same thing.
jaywalkingandfired@reddit
Just waiting for Embraer to start selling jets to Russia to replace Boeing and Airbus.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
You are complaining you don’t follow your own rules, and therefore it’s ok that you break them again and again. Yet at the same time you are complaining about everyone else breaking the rules.
Monterenbas@reddit
You absolutely misunderstood my point, which is, if nobody cares about the rules, why should we?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Europe doesn’t care about the rules either. You’re arguing about how hypocritical you want to be.
Monterenbas@reddit
I feel like the Hypocrite are the ones who support Russia while simultaneously calling for the EU to sanction Israel, but to each his own.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Who are the ones supporting Russia here? Are you imagining it?
jaywalkingandfired@reddit
The whole continent of Africa as well as countries such as Brazil, India, China, Vietnam, Pakistan, Iran, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, etc.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
And they are in the EU now? Wow, I should read the news more. Otherwise I might be embarrassed and accuse people who say that of whataboutism…
Monterenbas@reddit
Every country that didn’t sanctioned Russia, just like every country who didn’t sanctioned Israel de facto support them.
Monterenbas@reddit
I feel like the Hypocrite are the ones who support Russia while simultaneously calling for the EU to sanction Israel, but to each his own.
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AlbertoRossonero@reddit
I think the EU has played more than its part in destroying weaker nations.
Monterenbas@reddit
The UE? Really?
What nation do you believe was destroyed by the EU?
demonspawns_ghost@reddit (OP)
I'm not sure if your comment is sarcastic or not. In case it's not, are you aware of the history of European colonialism?
Monterenbas@reddit
Yes, and so? What’s your point?
Jokers_friend@reddit
Wtf is this comment? Dude wants the EU to go all in on genocide.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
No, just stop the hypocrisy.
Jokers_friend@reddit
I agree with THAT. Wholeheartedly. But your first comment, while I probably guess was done in affect, is just batshit downright insanity.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Yet there are people replying to me who genuinely want the EU to abandon international law so that Israel isn’t inconvenienced.
HockeyHocki@reddit
We've western governments among others asking the ICJ to change their interpretation of genocide in order to make the shoe fit.
You call it a war crime when Israel bombs a hospital, Meanwhile Hamas leaders are being killed in those strikes
NGO's are making it up as they go along, demanding humanitarian aid must be allowed to operate independantly & unconditionally, contradicting IHL
The truth is you want the law to be applied when it suits and will turn a blind eye otherwise.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
I understand that you’re mad that anyone criticises Israel. You’re right to be - Israel is moral regardless of what it does, and all those murders and rapes and abuses are justified and moral. But don’t take it out on me - lobby the EU. Tell them to pull out of international conventions and write their own that exclude brown people and Muslims from human rights protections. I guarantee you Israel will be the first to sign up.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Not mad bro, calling out hypocracy when i see it.
Don't need to lobby the EU, Palestinian support from western governments is lip service at best as you well know, hence the bitterness. When push comes to shove they support Israel and the fight against Hamas
datNomad@reddit
Of course not, what a joke. They are lifting up sanctions against the new Syrian regime, which is complicit in all same atrocities you accuse Israel of. Top tier hypocrisy. After that, the EU should not wonder why no one in the world is taking them seriously.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Laughable. Another “Israel didn’t do any of those things! The whole world is lying!”
datNomad@reddit
Em, are you okay? Where did I say that Israel didn't do any of those things? Struggling with reading comprehension?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Definitely struggling with your wording.
Disaster1992@reddit
Of course not. It’s all an act, just to show they are “trying” to do something. This genocide could have ended way before if they really wanted to.
ruscaire@reddit
The fact of the matter is, it’s only now that a majority of EU countries are coming round. Blame Germany, Austria, the UK and all the other European countries that have been sponsoring and profiteering from this … this affront to humanity.
pimmen89@reddit
The EU’s official position way back in 2005 was that the occupation of the West Bank, the checkpoints, the wall, the settlements and more are all human rights violations. Still, we kept engaging in trade and imposed no sanctions. The lengths Israel had to go through for the EU to do something, anything, boggles the mind.
demonspawns_ghost@reddit (OP)
And now the Commission is imposing hate speech laws that will make it an offense to compare the current genocide to historical atrocities. I won't elaborate because I don't want Gestapo kicking down my door.
Patient_Xero_96@reddit
EU : hey…hey Isrel…hey stop that Isrel : No EU : but… US : 😡 EU : Ok Isrel : proceeds to be a POS
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Pressure =/= a mildly strong worded letter. However I shouldn't have expected fascists to be able to understand text. They are fascists after all, only language they speak is violence
demonspawns_ghost@reddit (OP)
I don't necessarily disagree, but this seems to be the majority of member states pushing the Commission to take action. It's usually the other way around. We'll see what happens but I'm not very hopeful.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250509-half-of-bombs-falling-on-gaza-supplied-by-us-former-eu-foreign-policy-chief/. Europe is guilty
MarcusSuperbuz@reddit
I presume that means exert pressure on Hamas.
How exactly? What exactly can the EU really do to Hamas that is worst that the IDF blowing the hell out of Gaza?
Philaorfeta@reddit
I kinda agree. EU should deal with russian genocide of Ukrainians before meddling in the middle east
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