Why lie?
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Posted by AppointmentOk2025@reddit | 4chan | View on Reddit | 292 comments
MikoMiky@reddit
Dogs are den animals, being surrounded by walls makes them feel safe.
If you treat their cage like a safe space then they actually like spending time there and won't mind being locked away for an hour while you go shopping for groceries.
The trouble is when people use the cage as punishment...
QwerNik@reddit
Ah yes, dogs and wolfs also lock their dens with locks from the other side in nature.
MikoMiky@reddit
That's where the training part comes in.
Dogs were domesticated thousands of years ago, this isn't new information...
QwerNik@reddit
The part of training is to make sure that the dog won't ruin your house or do something bad while you're gone without the need to lock it in a cage. You can give them safe space without any locks.
Mother_Lead_554@reddit
Tell that to my hunting dog who loves to run 15km a day
QwerNik@reddit
Since we are on a 4chin sub, I expect that this is a troll message. If not, then you are just stupid, which is also a normal thing here.
Mother_Lead_554@reddit
:(
MikoMiky@reddit
Some dogs behave poorly when alone even when trained. Cage training then becomes essential to keep your pooch safe when you run errands so he doesn't choke on your stuff or bites on live wires in your absence.
If you lock up the dog when you're home that's not right in 99% of cases.
EnterprisingAss@reddit
“Some dogs” — aren’t we mostly talking about working dogs that morons try to make lap dog house pets out of?
Like, border collies are supposed to be charging with wild abandon across fields all day everyday. Some people lock them up in a house. Are these the “some dogs” that “behave poorly”?
Some breeds just shouldn’t be pets.
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Shloopy_Dooperson@reddit
Separation anxiety is one of the main reasons dogs fuck shit up while your gone. Hence, the kennel. This is just a dog thing. They love their people.
When I leave my basset hound out while I'm at work, he cries all day. When he's left in his kennel, he sleeps like a rock and chews on his bones.
It's better for his mental health to take a mile walk in the morning and chill in his kennel until I get home from work.
SpaceDounut@reddit
Separation anxiety is treatable with professional help in training. If your dog liked the cage, it would go in there by itself instead of staying outside and screaming.
Shloopy_Dooperson@reddit
So you would rather I have my Basset Hound stress himself out and scream all day instead of sleeping comfortably in his kennel with his toy.
SpaceDounut@reddit
I'd rather you hire a professional trainer and fix the problem instead of locking your dog in a barely-larger-than-a-coffin space for hours on end, obviously.
Shloopy_Dooperson@reddit
What do you think the mile walk is for? He has freedom of movement the entire day with the exception of when I'm at work.
No different than when he goes into his resting cycle during the night.
SpaceDounut@reddit
Listen, I'm going to be as kind about it as I possibly can. You clearly don't have enough knowledge/competence in this particular question to deal with the source of the problem. Please, seek help of someone that specializes in this particular question instead of continuing doing this to your dog. I understand that admitting your mistakes is very unpleasant and proper training for separation anxiety is long and difficult, but please, do this for the wellbeing of your pet. If you were locked in a closet for the same duration of time as he/she is, a mile walk wouldn't help you either. I walk mine for longer every day and she is not locked up for multiple hours.
Shloopy_Dooperson@reddit
The key difference lies in intent and implementation. Leaving a dog in a crate for 10+ hours without exercise, stimulation, or breaks is irresponsible. But using it for at max 8 hours a day with proper walks, enrichment, and structure? That’s not only acceptable many trainers recommend it including myself.
So no, it’s not inherently cruel. It can actually reduce anxiety, not increase it, when used correctly. Just because one person’s dog doesn’t need a crate doesn’t mean others are wrong to use one. Like all tools, it's only as good or bad as the way it's used.
Rip your head out of the crevices of your own ass crack and see reason. It's a moot point. Your opinion and feelings are null and void in the face of all the studies that have been done on the positive effects of kenneling.
I do not need someone who specializes in dog training. You take your dog to a shithead who charges 2 grand for a barely acceptable training camp, and you think that of me?
I am the one who trains and charges.
I trained my disabled Australian Shepherd to be fully fledged service dog with certifications. He is half blind and deaf but he can perform every duty required of him based purely on hand signs I trained him to do.
My Basset Hound (Notoriously stubborn dogs who are considered some of the hardest dogs to train.) Can perform over 20 tricks without the use of treats.
Take your elitist peppery bullshit and shove it.
SpaceDounut@reddit
I've trained my dog myself. I also know when to swallow my pride and go get professional help, and not only in dog-related questions. You being able to do some aspects of dog training doesn't make you an expert in all of them, particularly in this one, especially since you are treating the symptoms instead of the cause. And as for "studies" - doing this to your dog violates multiple countries' animal welfare laws, and for a good reason too. Just because it is normalized in USA doesn't make it acceptable in the rest of the world.
Shloopy_Dooperson@reddit
Only 2 countries, Sweden and Finland.
Only because people like you voted in mass to eliminate the practice. The practice is normalized everywhere else in the world. You're arguing that because 2 people out of hundreds are shoving sticks up their butts everyone else should too.
So not only are you wrong, you're overstating the number to make the US seem like the odd one out when it is very much not.
Very understandably, we do not follow that premise.
SpaceDounut@reddit
My brother in Christ, I'm literally in Russia and it is not normalized or even accepted by the majority of dog owners here - and most people live in apartments with neighbors. You have quit a bit to learn about the question it seems.
Shloopy_Dooperson@reddit
And yet another moot point. You try to say it's illegal in all these countries, yet you live in one where it's perfectly legal.
Disregarding your own biased personal experience because that has no bearing on this argument. No question has been asked. Only statements like "Oh you need to do this! Or blah blah, see a trainer. Or ignore the studies that prove me wrong. im right."
You're an imbecile.
SpaceDounut@reddit
Here you go, read some reputable sources.
Here's RSPCA take on this. Clearly stated on the last page that it is not acceptable to lock your dog in the crate while you are at work.
Here's PDSA saying the exact same thing as well as "go to the vet to work with anxiety"
Here's Humane Society of America saying to go get professional help for separation anxiety instead of trying to "treat" it with a crate.
Lena-Luthor@reddit
great thread thx guys
the_new_hunter_s@reddit
Was worth expanding the thread a few times.
Shloopy_Dooperson@reddit
Anytime.
DOBBYtheHOUSEelf@reddit
Dawg you are a fuckin idiot lmao
Swurphey@reddit
Dude do you fight tooth and nail against every recommendation your doctor makes because you have Advil at home and that stopped the pain last time you took it?
SpaceDounut@reddit
How do you read "Please, refer to a trained behavioral specialist with your dog's problem, because your competency in this particular question is lacking" and see this? Would you also suggest not going to the vet with a broken leg just because you can heal basic things by yourself and the painkillers are managing the symptoms for now?
MegaThot2023@reddit
Yes, because he is unwilling to cede the point that dogs' minds may work differently than his own.
SpaceDounut@reddit
sickbubble-gum@reddit
Get a job
BannedSvenhoek86@reddit
Border Collies are fine as pets as long as you spend two hours a day with a ball or something. Take them out in the morning before work and just let them fetch for an hour, then again when you get home. And be active on the weekends and take them out as well for longer periods. Then they're fine inside through the day and pretty relaxed.
They're great dogs and very chill when they have a responsible owner.
FuckRedditIsLame@reddit
Unfortunately the level of weekly activity you described is quite frankly beyond what most Americans achieve in a month, and it's real hard to change those bad habits just because you have a new dog, which is how caging them has come to be rationalized as 'good for the dog'.
born_2_be_a_bachelor@reddit
My sister got a german short haired pointer because her husband “wanted to hunt”.
Now they’re both hunting for their sanity…
Geekerino@reddit
I mean, he did actually start hunting, sounds like mission accomplished lol
Ka1-@reddit
We lock up our dog in her kennel during the night. We probably don’t need to, all things considered, but she usually walks in there and waits for us to shut the door when we go to bed. I guess it’s because my folks don’t like being woken up by the soft clacking of paws. In the daytime when we’re all at work, we put her in the garage where she’s got a bunch of space (not like it matters, when we’re not home she sleeps most of the day anyways)
IsNotAnOstrich@reddit
Lol, our dog wouldn't let us sleep until the door was both shut and locked. Otherwise he'd come upstairs to get you to come shut it.
TheHighblood_HS@reddit
You’re definitely right about some dogs behavior changing when they are alone. I work with dogs at a daycare and so many dogs have the elementary student mindset of “if the teacher isn’t looking it’s okay”
TickleMonsterCG@reddit
My dog gets separation anxiety... Unless I put her in her 10×8 pen in the living room, then she's fine for being alone. Weird dog.
tworupeespeople@reddit
our puppy died because he consumed bleach while we were away. never had another pet animal more demanding than a cockroach since then
MrCattsDad@reddit
Look within some bounds a dog will always chew random shit, but if this is a persistent problem for a trained dog it's because it's bored out of its mind, probably from being locked in a cage all day and not going out enough.
If you have a dog larger than a poodle you should have a large mostly open house & a connected fenced outdoors area that it can roam around at its lesuire while you're away. If you can't provide that kind of enviroment you should not own a large dog, period.
SlayBoredom@reddit
so you do not even close your doors when leaving?
SpaceDounut@reddit
Closing doors doesn't prevent a dog from moving properly, closed crate does.
SlayBoredom@reddit
I mean, I agree, we have 3 dogs, I am at work and none of them is locked inside a box, that would be insane.
I am just saying the "so wolfs sleep in crates then??" Argument is bullshit, because wolfs also don't sleep in a house and also don't get the treatment my dogs get haha
and it is true: if you don't use the crate as a punishment, they usually like thos spots. At least some of our dogs usually like to chill in some sort of "cave"
SpaceDounut@reddit
A house/flat objectively has enough space for a dog to walk and stretch properly. Most crates, on the other hand, are about as roomy as a wardrobe would be for you and don't allow for sufficient movement. I've also never made an argument that you mentioned.
Regardless of that, this thread is specifically about people that lock their dogs in the crate for 8+ hours before fucking off to work, which is inhumane and harmful to the dog. I don't have anything against using an open crate as the dog's personal spot, obviously.
QwerNik@reddit
It's hilarious how much the ustards are seething about my comment and their disability to treat dogs well.
Salt-System-951@reddit
Don't sweat it. Not a single person arguing with you has actually owned a dog.
Hedonistbro@reddit
It's extremely apparent you're some fat nerd, probably a teenager, who's never owned and trained dogs and don't really understand their psychology. You've decided "cages are bad" because of your socially conditioned reaction to them as a human. You're just another know-it-all in a comment section.
DaniFoxglove@reddit
I have a dog bed in the living room, and he basically never uses it. There's a second one in the closet in the bedroom, where he's got a wall behind him, luggage one the left, and a hamper on the right. He would spend all day there if we let him.
mischling2543@reddit
^ This guy's couch and bed smell like dog
QwerNik@reddit
If you can't train your dog to not jump on the couch/bed, and the only solution you can find is to lock it in the cage, then you are a miserable dog owner.
mrbrojoseph@reddit
Being told by some NEET how to train a dog lol
QwerNik@reddit
The one who is active in politics and pokemon subs has no right to open his mouth and talk to humans.
mrbrojoseph@reddit
🤣
mischling2543@reddit
I guarantee that if you put in a nanny cam you'll see your dog jumping on your furniture as soon as you leave
QwerNik@reddit
Yeah, you are just an irresponsible owner
mischling2543@reddit
I don't own a dog because it's a dumbass waste of money.
DependentOnIt@reddit
0/10 troll attempt
QwerNik@reddit
0/10 troll attempt
KennKennyKenKen@reddit
Different breeds, different personalities, different training styles
Super naive to think all dogs can be trained in a perfect way.
Crate training has it uses.
My brother's dog can be taken anywhere, and will sleep anywhere soundly if he has his crate.
My dog isn't crate trained and is terrified the first few nights it stays in a place it doesn't know.
QwerNik@reddit
Of course there may be cases when you need to use the cage. But let's not dive into specific cases. Most dogs don't need cages, they just need proper training. But lots of dumbasses are unable to provide proper training and consider that cage or other physical restrictions are the best solution. And it's pathetic.
johnsmith_42069@reddit
These comments were writtien small paw shaped hands
Chadzuma@reddit
You do it for the first couple years so they get used to chilling in one spot when you leave, then it becomes conditioned behavior and you can have their bed out in the open and they'll still chill there. It also helps to give them a kong with some food trapped in it or a chewy bone so they have something to focus on and kill time while alone, and once the crate's gone giving them the treat will act as the associative link to bridge the behavior to the new environment. Get dogmogged son
DremoPaff@reddit
"This is normal for them, they are den animals" "Surely that doesn't mean much in comparison of an actual cage?" "Ah, now you see, they've learned to change after thousands of years of domestication"
Where was the "it's been thousands of years" part when talking about being safe in a den?
kaninkanon@reddit
If you lock a dog up in a crate you're an asshole. Training, you can't train your dog not to wreck things for an hour while you're out for groceries?
dmerp1100@reddit
Separation anxiety isn't just about wrecking things. Pls do more research.
kaninkanon@reddit
No shit it’s gonna be anxious if it’s never been allowed to leave its crate while alone.
Shloopy_Dooperson@reddit
It's mainly separation anxiety from the person that causes them to act out. Not the crate itself.
dmerp1100@reddit
Every case is different, my dog for example, has never been in a crate and is about 5y old. She has always had separation anxiety due to abandonment issues. We're using this crate to help her feel safe. It's never locked so that she can go use the restroom when she wants (yes she already does that too).
kaninkanon@reddit
So wtf is the relevance to my post
Kaneida@reddit
The delusion of thinking of wolves as dogs. I guess you see lions as cats.
IAmMadeOfNope@reddit
"Dogs" don't exist in nature, dipshit. The domesticated dog diverged from wild dogs before man invented agriculture. Their behaviors differ wildly from all other canines.
stringerbbell@reddit
The door is open in the picture?
musclenugget92@reddit
Most dogs that are trained don't even need to be locked.
My catahoula goes into her cage on her own when we leave.
19Alexastias@reddit
The door is open in this picture though
Snoot_Boot@reddit
Yes that's the point they will go in there to relax, it's not being punished
BigCaregiver2381@reddit
Mine goes in hers whenever there’s thunder or other scary noises, it’s like her little bunker.
justsomeph0t0n@reddit
shhh
phoncible@reddit
Almost like Canis lupus is a bit different than Canis familiaris, how weird
Snoot_Boot@reddit
Dogs are not wolves, which is why we call dogs and wolves 2 different words
number65261@reddit
You just know
BickedyBuckBumbl@reddit
You missed the part where he said if it's a safe place they won't care if it's locked as long as you don't overdue it.
Dogs don't know or understand why you do any of the things you do. Most dog training is using their instincts to your favor. Just because you, as a human being, see cages as a punishment does not mean the dog does.
Like anything, you can harm the dog mentally or physically by overdoing things.
QwerNik@reddit
You missed the fact that you can give them safe space without locking them
sink_pisser_@reddit
What a fucking stupid observation
andhowsherbush@reddit
My mom's chihuahua knows when it's in trouble and will run in it's cage and shut the lock mechanism with her mouth. Dogs do understand the concept of a lock blocking stuff from entering their "cave".
yallmad4@reddit
Dogs are possibly THE most selectively bred animal in the world. It takes a dipshit to not understand most of a dogs instincts were selected for specifically by humans.
Legendary_Bibo@reddit
Is a house not effectively a giant den? I never got crate training and have never done it to any of my dogs I've raised my entire life. They seem fine just dozing off on the couch, in their beds, or my bed and playing together or with their toys when I'm at work. They're like perpetual independent 5 year olds.
Delicious-Furniture@reddit
Problem is not only with the cage, but also with tge fact that the dog is probably being kept 20 hours a day in a small apartment, if not longer
NachoNutritious@reddit
I knew too many single women when I lived in a trendy downtown area that kept large working breeds like golden retrievers, german shepherds, and huskies, in 1 bedroom apartments and only let them out to use the bathroom. This is in addition to not cleaning adequately so their places were covered in hair and dander.
Pleasant50BMGForce@reddit
My dog likes to lay in places that make them surrounded like under the table or seat with only front open
Beginning-Dot-9582@reddit
my dog is an outside dog but we need a cage because he isnt exactly the friendliest mf, but he is in his cage even when its not locked often.
South_Dakota_Boy@reddit
I’ve had a few dogs (goldens) and tried this with all of them.
They fucking hated it. They know we are sleeping upstairs and they whine and cry all night. For weeks we tolerated it and it never got better.
Now they sleep with us. As they did in caveman times.
Ooga booga
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
LMAO you lost. Lame ass
Plazmotech@reddit
Can’t say I relate. I crate trained my dog. Since I was a college student when I got her, I was gone for a few hours a day each day. At first she didn’t like it, but eventually she started loving her crate. At night, she would jump up on the bed and sleep lay down with me for maybe 20 minutes then jump back down and walk to her crate and sleep in it. We don’t use a crate anymore because I don’t have the space, but she still will lay with me for an hour or so and then jump down and lay in her bed.
Redditbecamefacebook@reddit
You sound like the fucking worst, and exactly the kind of person OP is talking about. You don't even have room for a crate, but you have room for a dog?
Plazmotech@reddit
I have a backyard you absolute dunce
gman8686@reddit
What is with all these unhinged types like you in this thread lol?
Redditbecamefacebook@reddit
Just because dogs can't talk doesn't mean they don't have minds. Would you like sitting in a cage for 8 hours a day? I literally met multiple shitheads like this in college who wouldn't shut up about their furbabies and you look at the crate and it's got shit stains all over it.
Slobs like you will always make excuses for abusing animals.
keepingitrealgowrong@reddit
holy fucking shit it's like someone incarnated PETA lmao the histrionics
DoctorProfPatrick@reddit
DUDE stfu, you're literally taking your past trauma and assuming that strangers are just as bad as those people. If you don't understand how a crate is properly used to control animal behavior that's fine, stop acting like you do. All you know is abuse.
gman8686@reddit
Slobs like me? Lol go touch some grass, you know nothing about me.
World_Treason@reddit
Expect a college student to never go to class wtf kinda comment is that
keepingitrealgowrong@reddit
Golden retrievers are dumb as shit, this makes sense.
Bum_King@reddit
Golden retrievers are smart, the typical owners however are not.
meechmeechmeecho@reddit
It’s probably because the crate was in a different room
MinimumGuarantee@reddit
the dogs literally trained you to come get them. the dogs were smarter than you. you're a beta cuck.
InfiniteRaccoons@reddit
I have zero respect for any "man" who can't train a dog to do very basic things like "not whine their way into sleeping in my bed"
Usual-Subject-1014@reddit
I can smell this post
klonkish@reddit
skill issue. Literally.
DeffJohnWilkesBooth@reddit
So the dogs trained you to let them in the bed?
DonnyShamrock@reddit
Can’t tell if you’re joking. No animal with some form of intelligence wants to be locked in a small cage. So dumb
snrup1@reddit
Yeah when my dog became an adult and we hadn't broken down his crate yet, he would just go in there on his own to sleep whenever. As long as it's not a punishment space, they grow to like it.
PolloDiablo82@reddit
Isn't the house made out of walls?
big_guyforyou@reddit
Architect here! A house is made of more than just walls. There is also a floor and a ceiling
Free-Design-8329@reddit
Jumping in really quick here, as a POL (Person of Land), I just wanted to point out that a door is just a wall on a hinge
absolutely_regarded@reddit
Source?
big_guyforyou@reddit
www houses.com/facts/walls-ceiling-floor.html
Rubber_Ducky_6844@reddit
We're gonna need something peer reviewed, buddy
earanhart@reddit
Pier review? Fuck is this, a houseboat?
JViser@reddit
A boat is just a house without a ceiling.
phoenix25@reddit
Right? That argument doesn’t hold water for sure
wipoooo@reddit
i and my peers have reviewed it, though me and my peers' reviews have not been peer reviewed.
big_guyforyou@reddit
philmarcracken@reddit
great, now they're trying to make my house fatter too
stakoverflo@reddit
What is a floor or ceiling if not just sideways walls
easterner1848@reddit
More Jewish propaganda 🙄
AntiProtonBoy@reddit
lies
Snoot_Boot@reddit
Yes but even you want your own bedroom despite being in a house
Quixilver05@reddit
They like small space. Big enough to walk in, v turn around and sleep
MikoMiky@reddit
It is, and for some dogs that's more than enough. For others, the space is too large for them to truly feel in control of it and can still make them anxious when the owner is not around.
JohnJingleheimerShit@reddit
My dog has a cage that we don’t even need to lock her in, she just goes in there to sleep
ImpendingTurnip@reddit
Me when I gaslight and lie
longfoot@reddit
You're lying to everyone including yourself because it's convenient.
In nature they would live in nothing close to a cage.
darthabraham@reddit
Just here to say you’re right. Crate training is a good thing. You’re going to get all kinds of shirty comments from people who don’t know shit about fuck, as happens every time this topic comes up on Reddit.
I’ve owned a lot of dogs and crate trained all of them. After they’re house broken and past puppy trouble making phase we just take the door off the crate and it’s their little dog house/bed.
If you don’t crate train your dog, good luck ever getting them on an airplane without it being a horribly traumatic experience.
dinglebarry9@reddit
Every dog needs to be crate trained
FuckRedditIsLame@reddit
Funnily enough, caging one's dog inside isn't at all a universal norm. Across most of Europe and Australia it's either unheard of (and thus very difficult to even buy a cage like this), or illegal.
Alwaysafk@reddit
Got home from a two week trip where my dog was at my mom's and she refused to take the kennel. Dog spent two days just sleeping in her room. She loves that box.
Salamadierha@reddit
Being surrounded by a cage, no walls, just open space he can't pass through, is likely to make them less secure, not more so.
If you're going to force them into a kennel at least give them a real den.
Ill-Scheme@reddit
Hey now. This is for 4chan, stop making sense. You can't go saying truths, it confuses & enrages the channers.
AmmianusMarcellinus@reddit
Lol they are not den animals. Fucking American education system.
lovethebacon@reddit
Dogs haven't lived in dens for tens of thousands of years. Wild dogs only spend the first two-three months of their lives in a den that they can freely move in and out of.
Taken_Abroad_Book@reddit
Found the shitty dog owner
TheCenterTesticle@reddit
Whatever you tell yourself
IngrownToenailsHurt@reddit
Exactly. I have 3 dogs. They sleep in their kennels at night and their doors are only locked at night when we go to bed so they don't roam around and disturb us while we're sleeping. During the day when we're at work they are free to roam around but they often sleep in their kennel at least a few hours. One is afraid of thunderstorms and usually retreats to his kennel.
JaSper-percabeth@reddit
Yeah I've noticed this whenever I used to let my dog in open he always chose to sleep with his back between walls in a way that he felt covered from 2 sides. I guess it's the primal instinct of safety while sleeping to stay covered from back
AntiProtonBoy@reddit
> surrounded by walls
> cage
Yeah, they are not the same thing. Animals feel safe in an actual den/opaque box/basket/etc because they are hidden and out of sight of perceived danger. Cages don't offer that. They are exposed, with a barrier they can't even get away from, which could stress them out even more. That being said, you could train them to be comfortable in such environment, so long it's not a permanent place for them to stay.
Gravesh@reddit
Most people cover these cages with a blanket for the dogs comfort. If you train them as a puppy, they will consider it to be a safe, private space. Their own room in the house, basically.
WheresTotoro@reddit
My dog's cage is also her bed. It's open to her all the time and she's sleeping in it right now. Picture
LyrMeThatBifrost@reddit
Looks cozy tbh
MikoMiky@reddit
Classic blankie on top of the cage to reinforce the den vibes
Cute heckin pupperino
dirksbutt@reddit
I had a dream people kidnapped me and my dog and put us in separate cages, woke up crying coz my dog was in a cage. Realized I'm retarded.
midnightzone_angler@reddit
Notice how the crate is open. stfu bro it'll be fine.
OmarGuard@reddit
Why do stay in prison when the door is wide open?
NotoriousJazz@reddit
Dog like den. Den feel safe.
moneyman956@reddit
Dog has been brainwashed to like den.
-blundertaker-@reddit
Dogs in the wild like dens. Who brainwashed them?
applepumper@reddit
All training is brainwashing
midnightzone_angler@reddit
Not a good comparison vro
Ausfall@reddit
Why don't you just go straight up into space it's wide open bro
DeathMetalBananaCat@reddit
They don't stay there, they can and do leave whenever they want.
Just_Evening@reddit
Answer this and you're a philosopher
DigitalCoffee@reddit
The door is open and he has a ton of space
Theroux721@reddit
The intelligence of people who spend exorbitant amounts of money on animals that make noise and destroy property while offering nothing beneficial is self-evident.
123forgetmenot@reddit
love how the reply section here is just a ton of people who leave their dog trapped in a box for like 3 hours while they’re out of the house going “no, you see, this thing that descends from actual wolves is really cool being stuck in a small box it actually loves this shit”
DJJ66@reddit
It depends wildly on the breed, training and personality but most dogs I've had needed a little corner of their own in case they get anxious or understand they're being unruly. My dog goes to his crate whenever he's overwhelmed or upset, and I close the latch whenever I need to either clean the house or someone comes over for maintenance, he doesn't stay in there the whole day, just a couple hours at a time. It was like what happened during family Christmas dinner we had here. At one point there were too many people getting too loud so he went to his crate and napped until he calmed down. When I leave the house, because he's an intelligent breed that was house trained, I can trust my dog to not damage anything so he can roam freely in the yard and indoors.
videodevil2500@reddit
Crate people deserve the rope
FoxCQC@reddit
Looks like the door is open there
Shatophiliac@reddit
My first dog didn’t have a cage and while he was a puppy he practically destroyed most of the shit I owned. Once he got older and I trained him better he calmed down, and was a good boy from then on.
My second dog, I got a cage so that I could lock her up when I wasn’t around. I limited it as much as possible, even taking her to doggy daycare while I was at work, but every once in a while I would have to run to the store or something and I’d lock her up.
She turned out fine too, and never once destroyed anything of mine, beyond maybe one old shoe. I never used the cage as punishment, and she actually started sleeping in it on her own (door open) because she saw it as her safe space.
Long derpy story short, cages aren’t inherently bad. In fact they make your life a lot easier. Just don’t abuse them or use it as a punishment and you’re ok.
BrocoliAssassin@reddit
This isn't bad.
You know what is bad? When you have annoying neighbors that buy dogs and decide to leave them out almost all day with their annoying barking.
SnooWoofers186@reddit
imagine someone say "i love having chicken"
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jackrackan07@reddit
I love having guns, perishable food, gas in my car, a penis and running hot water. Yet when I’m not currently using any of those things I put them away. If I don’t, they will cause problems.
Same basic principle.
Chewiemuse@reddit
my dog absolutely loves her crate and prefers it over most laying places if her "perch" on the couch isnt available
BarrelStrawberry@reddit
Some dogs can be trusted to hang out when you leave them alone, others can't. It is their own damned fault.
Angel_OfSolitude@reddit
Actually, a correctly used cage is a good thing. Dogs are den animals. Makenit somewhere comfy and they're happy to go in it for a while. It's a good alternative to just leaving them outside when you can't be around to watch them. And look at that Pic, it's open. The dog isn't locked in its just chillin.
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
You can also just train them well so they don't develop destructive behaviours and leave them in the house 🤷♂️
Vospader998@reddit
It's pretty naive to think that works for every dog.
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
I dont think that's true tbh, vast swathes of the world don't do this at all. I think it's just an excuse for americans to not properly engage with their animal. I'm sure there is some small percentage its necessary for but it shouldn't be the default way to manage your pet, their behavior is our responsibilty to manage.
Vospader998@reddit
My dude, I used to foster and have personally trained dozens of dogs of various breeds and temperaments, in addition to interacting with other fosters that share their stories. Trust me when I tell you, not all dogs do well alone, regardless of how much you train them.
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
Just like people. But just because some people have mental health issues, does not mean they should all be sent to an institute by default.
Vospader998@reddit
And you can't "train" people out of mental illness. WTF are you talking about? Nobody's sending their dogs to institutions, they're taking the necessary precautions to make sure they don't hurt themselves or others. You can't just "train" a dog out of separation anxiety. There are things you can do to help mitigate the symptoms, but it never really goes away.
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
You're the one comparing crating to mental health institutions, not me. I’m pointing out the flaw in using exceptions to justify the rule. Just because a minority of dogs struggle doesn’t mean crating should be normalized as the default solution. You can acknowledge edge cases without designing your entire approach around them.
And yes, you can train dogs out of certain behaviors, just like people can learn to manage aspects of mental health. That doesn’t mean it’s a magic fix, but it does mean effort and engagement matter more than containment.
If your first move with a dog is a cage, what you’re doing is managing inconvenience, not training. You, and the rest of the americans downvoting, just aren't willing to reassess their culturally reinforced shit choices.
Vospader998@reddit
You're delusional. Making some huge leaps there too.
Didn't the UK pass "The Dangerous Dogs Act" because people wouldn't stop breeding dogs for fighting? Ya, real humane over there.
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
No, what’s delusional is pretending that the only options are "crate or death." If your dog is eating garbage and dying when you're gone, that’s not solved by a crate. That’s solved by responsible training, supervision, and a properly managed environment. You don’t leave knives out around toddlers either and then brag about putting them in a cage.
And quoting the Dangerous Dogs Act as if it's proof of some moral high ground is pissing into the wind because that law wasn’t about dog safety, it was political theatre to look tough while ignoring the root problems. Much like your argument.
You’re defending crating as default not because it’s best for dogs, but because it's easier for owners. Just say that and stop pretending it's about safety.
Vospader998@reddit
Who said it should be the default? I'm not "defending crating as default", I'm arguing not every dog can be trained into behaving all day long when you're not around.
My SIL had a rottweiler who was perfectly well behaved while people were around, but he had a habit of getting into things when not being watched, and was too smart for his own good. Self-taught how to open doors. She had to child-proof the locks and block off certain areas. Well, one day she was out, and he hopped the gate, pushed through the chairs blocked off the kitchen, managed to break the child lock off the sink cabinet, got the lid off the garbage and ate his heart's content.
She can home to him on the floor in agony, and a trip to the ER, several surgeries, and 8k later, he was ok. She crated him when she wasn't home after that.
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
That’s tragic, but it's still anecdotal. No one said there are zero cases where temporary confinement might help. What I’ve said, repeatedly, is that it should not be the default approach to dog ownership. You just told a rare, high-risk edge case and are using it to justify a broad practice.
If a dog is genuinely a danger to itself in very specific circumstances, sure, manage the risk. But most people aren’t dealing with ER-level emergencies. They’re just avoiding the work of training and engagement by slapping a crate over the problem. That’s not safety, it’s laziness dressed up as care.
You don’t get to redefine what’s normal based on what amounts to a freak accident.
Vospader998@reddit
I suggest you go back and read the comments. It's like you keep putting words in my mouth, making huge assumptions, while also forgetting what you even said.
I wrote: "It's pretty naive to think that works for every dog."
Most people I know, yes in the US, don't crate their dog(s). The handful that do, usually do with good reason. Are there assholes out there? Certainly, but don't assume that of everyone. This is also something I did for quite a few years, working with shelter dogs who were either abused, neglected, or abandon. We took them into our home, and worked with them the best we could, but some dogs simply can't be left alone, regardless of "training", and yes - for their own safety.
You're likely seeing the dogs that actually get adopted because they are trainable. Which is fine, but don't assume that of every dog.
So with all due respect, go fuck yourself.
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
Ah, there it is. The “go fuck yourself” after rewriting your own position three times and accusing me of doing exactly what you just did.
You started with “not every dog can be trained,” then pivoted to extreme safety cases, then told a horror story, and now you're backpedaling into “most people in the US don’t crate.” If that were true, this wouldn’t be a debate, because crating wouldn’t be normalized. But it clearly is.
You keep presenting fringe scenarios as representative and acting offended when I don’t treat them as such. I never said no one should ever crate a dog. I said it shouldn’t be the default solution. And judging by the energy you’ve put into justifying it, it clearly is for a lot of people.
You’re not arguing against what I said. You’re arguing against the guilt you feel when it gets too close to home.
meechmeechmeecho@reddit
That’s a skill issue. Not every dog can be trained to free roam the house. But the overwhelming majority can and it’s 100% a training issue more than a specific dog issue.
ElGringoPicante77@reddit
Exactly. Some dogs are just 1) naturally not destructive once trained not to be and 2) prefer to roam and lounge instead of being confined.
ThirstyOutward@reddit
Crate training is training them well
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
Crate training is teaching a dog to tolerate confinement. That’s not the same as teaching them how to behave freely in a home. You’re just managing the symptoms, not addressing the cause, can you see the difference there?
It’s like saying sedation is a form of therapy. Just because the problem is hidden doesn't mean it's solved.
wafflesareforever@reddit
My dog's crate is in the living room. It's full of blankets and stuffed animals so he can settle in and remake it however he wants, which he does every time he goes in there, which is whenever we're in the living room with him.
keeleon@reddit
The door is literally open.
Plaineswalker@reddit
I don't have a cage for my dog and she seems fine. Everyone is this thread saying they actually like to be treated like prisoners are stupid.
BannanDylan@reddit
The dog in the picture is in the cage by choice, it's not even locked or closed over.
People are saying that having a cage can actually be a good thing, not that if your dog doesn't have a cage they will be depressed. Cages can give a god a 'safe space'
However, if you actually properly read the other comments you'd know this.
Plaineswalker@reddit
Wrong. Dogs can have their own safe spaces that don't involve locking them in a cage.
BannanDylan@reddit
The dog is clearly not locked in a cage. Why are you as dumb as you are?
Plaineswalker@reddit
Wrong, cages close and lock. What else would it be for?
BannanDylan@reddit
The cage in that picture is literally wide open
Plaineswalker@reddit
Ok but what is the typical use for a cage? To close and lock it?
Naskr@reddit
Dogs sometimes like being in cages if they are clearly defined as their own space, they don't necessarily like being locked in them (or indeed anywhere) and obviously spaciousness and quality of comfort also matters
Depends on breed and temperament.
Tommy_____Vercetti@reddit
Dogs are being used by childless women as emotional substitute in place of the child. They do not love dogs, they love the idea of having something to love without most of the inconveniences and the ideological yield of having a child. Yes, women would rather have a dog and lie to themselves about the emptiness they live every day rather than admitting to the truth that every part of their being - body and soul - is telling them otherwise.
Those poor dogs, once faithful and useful animals, are now in cages, simulacra of something they were never meant to be.
Ill-Support6649@reddit
Having a large dog is so much more work than having a child. It takes a lifetime of training to get them to behave even half way decent and they require so much time outside to be mentally well. They are extremely needy and cannot stand being alone. They are also potentially dangerous to have. They will destroy things in the house consistently even if trained well. They cannot even be left alone for more than a few hours without flipping out and they never grow out of it. I feel like people who have never had children just assume that dogs are easier and don’t actually think about it. Kids are so much easier to handle even if you have multiple young ones close together. Dogs are so much work that people with full time jobs pay people like me to watch their dogs for a large sum of money so they can actually go grocery shopping without it being a huge ordeal. Women with dogs can’t even go to get their hair done (4hrs usually) without having to pay an expensive dog sitter. Children are allowed in salons. Dogs are not. Dogs are not allowed most places that children are. Dogs confine you to the home and the dog park. When you have a dog you are signing up for an animal that does not move past the toddler age for equivalence of intelligence and level of dependence/need. That is a HUGE job. Dogs are all encompassing and children become independent faster than people think.
meechmeechmeecho@reddit
As someone with kids, who has also trained plenty of dogs, nah, you’re 100% wrong.
The only time it’s remotely close is during the first 2ish weeks of training a puppy. I’d argue those 2 weeks are more difficult than taking care of a newborn.
After that? Not even close. Dogs become competent so much quicker than a baby. After a couple weeks you won’t have to worry about accidents. After a year you should have the behavioral issues sorted out.
A child at 1 years old is still a baby and needs so much more attention than a 1 year old dog. At 2, they’re even more work and the dog will be even easier. At 3, again, somehow more work, while the dog will be even chiller.
goldentoaster41@reddit
I disagree.
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
When you're so desperately horny you start to think every problem in the world comes from women because hate is easier than sadness.
droogvertical@reddit
I don’t know if dog cages are always bad, but in general, people really should not have pets unless they’re willing to put in the work in keeping them. Its sad seeing poorly kept animals that people really only want to amuse themselves every once in a while.
meechmeechmeecho@reddit
Crates aren’t inherently bad. But they are overused and often used poorly.
stalineczka@reddit
I honestly only ever seen people do that on the internet
Brussel_Rand@reddit
I feel like 90% of people who have pets don't treat them properly. I don't know how the cage training works since my family never did it, so I can't speak to that. But it feels like a lot of people's mentality to owning a pet isn't having a full time hobby caring for the life of a living creature and is instead having a house plant that poops. Even still, people will romanticize having a fruit tree in their yard and take none of the steps to ensure they have a good harvest every year.
I definitely think my family isn't responsible enough to have dogs even though they do. They bathe them bi annually, don't brush them, rarely play with them, never take care of their dental health, don't deal with their skin issues, and they let them shit on the floor. And if you're thinking to yourself that you own a dog and don't do that, maybe you should? Maybe you promised to be the sole protector of this animal and should put more than the minimum effort for them? Maybe you should have opted for a different hobby?
I also feel like my sentiment towards this definitely applies to people who decide to have children but that's a way different topic.
Ill-Support6649@reddit
This is the real reason as to why people keep claiming that having several animals is so much cheaper than having one child. If you actually take care of your large animals properly it’s very expensive as well. Most people neglect their dogs and should not be allowed to have them.
ThirstyOutward@reddit
Lmao no it's still not even close
LooseButtPlug@reddit
Brain dead take from childless virgin.
I have kids and a dog, my dog is with me all day. I take her to work, she never leaves my side. Properly taking care of the dog is less expensive than not properly taking care of her.
Children are 100x harder and more expensive.
Ka1-@reddit
It’s definitely not as expensive but it can get pretty up there, especially with one bad moment of curiosity and you’re paying a 3k vet bill out of pocket because your dog found a sock on the floor or something
LooseButtPlug@reddit
Literally the same can be said of a kid...
Ka1-@reddit
Yeah fair enough, I forgot that not everyone lives in a place with public healthcare, but a kid’s still more expensive even if medical was entirely out of the picture (I’d imagine)
Vospader998@reddit
I don't disagree here, but I wouldn't say bathing and brushing are really the thing to focus on here.
Baths should be given only "as needed". So if they were out in a cow pasture rolling around in mud, have fleas, were skunked, etc. Soap strips the oils off their fur, which can dry it out and it can no longer do its job regulating heat and keeping microbes off.
Brushing regularly is fine, but short hairs don't really need it. There's also the "none-shedding" dogs that don't shed at all, but they do need semi-regular trips to the groomer, otherwise their fur gets overgrown.
Realistically, the best thing you can do is take them to the vet at least annually, and just do what they recommend.
Brussel_Rand@reddit
Bathing and brushing weren't the focus. Those two things are just symptoms of a problem. You're supposed to bathe dogs once every month or so, every week would be too much, but factors change depending on the breed. I hope it's obvious that I don't have to point out every exception to the rule or else I'd have to say that every sentence. I don't see any sources online recommending you bathe them so infrequently as to only do it twice a year. The important thing here between bathing and brushing is that you're on top of making your dog happy and healthy, not neglecting it because you can't be bothered to be proactive.
You don't seem to see my point with all of this. The bare minimum is not enough when you're dealing with an animal. You dog will live if you keep it in a cage, feed it, and never care for it's hygiene. That's not going to make it happy and healthy. While it goes without saying how important it is, taking your dog to the vet once a year isn't playing with them for fifteen minutes a day. You're supposed to check every box and not just the most important ones.
Cupakov@reddit
Apparently it’s good for dogs to have this sort of a “private space” where they can hide if they feel uncomfortable or scared, but they shouldn’t be kept in them all of the time
meechmeechmeecho@reddit
I think that’s the core misunderstanding between the pro/anti crate people. Anti-crate people assume people are leaving their dogs in there for extended periods (which some people 100% do). Pro-crate people assume crates are the only form of den (a dog will feel equally secure with a pet bed in the corner of the room).
In America, you should at the very least do some crate training in case you ever need to leave them at a vet or go on a flight, etc.
We use crates during the puppy stage when they can’t be trusted yet. Realistically, you should be training your dog to just not destroy your house when you’re gone though. You really shouldn’t be needing to constantly lock your dog in a crate past 1-1.5 years old.
mostie2016@reddit
Yep. My old dog god rest her soul treated her kennel like her personal palace. She had her toys and plenty of nice blankets to burrow in.
TelevisionTerrible49@reddit
Yea, all of my dogs love their cages, I just don't lock them in it and leave the house all day
padimus@reddit
We crate trained our dog when we got her. She slept in the crate for the first 4 months or so. When we were able to work with her enough to trust she wouldn't get into trouble while we were at work we left the kennel open so she can come and go as she pleases. She still voluntarily sleeps in her kennel and usually comes up on bed around midnight
WinglyBap@reddit
Really handy to house train a puppy too. My dog used to love her crate but we got rid when she was trained.
SponsoredByMLGMtnDew@reddit
"Thank god for stockholm syndrome"
Prefix-NA@reddit
I put my gf in one of those and I love her.
Wall-Wave@reddit
I have an friend who has 8 grown adult dogs and puts them into cages like this. He doesn't have room for them so I suggested he sell some of them and he refused.
edbods@reddit
dog version of the boomer car hoarder
DoctorProfPatrick@reddit
People hoard anything, it's especially terrible when they hoard living creatures like fish/dogs/cats or especially children. Awful stuff
breuh@reddit
know a girl who also did this with her rabbits. I guess it's even more acceptable somehow to do this to rabbits. She'd keep adding them more even though I told her my concern but I guess some people are just fucking awful pet owner cause she would sometimes make social media post about her rabbit but little did people know how she never really take care of them and just put them in the cage.
Rlionkiller@reddit
:(
PooInTheStreet@reddit
The American way. People who put dogs in cages shouldn’t own dogs.
cumble_bumble@reddit
You've clearly never owned a dog before
ThisUsernameIsSexy@reddit
Americans not being able to train their dogs properly so they have to lock them up for hours on end while trying to argue it‘s better for the dog is always hilarious.
Somehow most of the civilized world doesn‘t have to lock up their dog, I wonder why?
Having a safe space for the dog is good, locking them up in a small cage for multiple hours is just cruel.
LoLFlore@reddit
Where is the pictured locked dog?
ThisUsernameIsSexy@reddit
Braindead comment. Obviously we‘re not talking about this specific picture but the American way of locking dogs up in cages while being at work for 8+ hours etc.
Bigtitsnmuhface@reddit
Americans have jobs, idk what irrelevant nation you reside in but in the USA 40 hours of work is standard. Maybe if we had the pleasure of being non contributing leeches on society dogs wouldn’t always go in cages.
My dogs sleeps in the bed, is walked 3x a day and lives a better life than half the people in your illiterate nation.
ThisUsernameIsSexy@reddit
Lmao, my country has better healthcare, higher life expectancy, better work life balance and provides a better life for their citizens in general. I don‘t want to live in a country where people lose their livelyhood because of a broken arm or they get shot for being a minority.
I have 30 days PTO and can actually enjoy life, travel the world and enjoy my hobbies while still working 38,5 hours a week.
And since we know how to take care of our pets properly, we don‘t need to lock them up even if we work full time.
Now go and pay 200% extra for all products because of your incompetent leadership, go USA 🤪
Bigtitsnmuhface@reddit
You’re so proud of it, which is why you won’t say which country you’re from. Lol. Please say France
ThisUsernameIsSexy@reddit
Hilarious how you can‘t bring any arguments back already. I live in Germany and very happy here.
The US is nice to live in when you‘re rich, but for slaves like you it‘s a shithole, deal with it.
Snoot_Boot@reddit
My condolences
Bigtitsnmuhface@reddit
I wonder if Gypsies or Jews have the same experience historically? How was your winter fyi? Burn through enough Russian Natural Gas to stay warm?
Please get off your ass and get a job
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
Hop off Americas dick bro, nobody does this
ThisUsernameIsSexy@reddit
One google search and there‘s multiple reddit posts of people doing it as well as guides from American websites on how to train them to be in a crate for a whole workday.
Obviously not everyone in the US does it, but it‘s definitely happening.
Locking them up for even a few hours is also messed up so your point is garbage anyway.
„Hop off americas dick bro 🤪🤪“
You‘re either underage or a smooth brain.
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
I googled "how to keep my dog in a cage for 8 hours" and a guide on how to keep my dog in showed up. It must be ze work of ze Americans!!! If you need more wrinkles in your brain to understand it's not an American thing you should go back to your father's sack and borrow them from there
ThisUsernameIsSexy@reddit
Other countries doing it does not make it better. Keep torturing your pets man, it’s your choice. You can try to make it sound better but at the end of the day you‘re still locking up a dog because you can‘t handle it properly, end of story.
Snoot_Boot@reddit
That wasn't the point of his comment. Are you retarded or deflecting?
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
Idk why you to think I do it
LyrMeThatBifrost@reddit
Is this really article an American thing?
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
Largely yes.
ThisUsernameIsSexy@reddit
I can imagine there are more people in the world who can‘t handle dogs properly so it‘s probably not only an American thing.
fork666@reddit
I've owned dogs my whole life and many of my friends own dogs, have never seen a cage used before.
aIhamdullilah@reddit
Don't get dogs if you are going to lock them up for most of the day lol
It's sad but people defend it cause they love their Biological toy and a sad substitute for a companion
kevinisaperson@reddit
????
untakenu@reddit
"I love cats" says the fat city dwelling milennnial, who will keep that animal in their 20m² shithole until it gets diabetes and dies.
DMofTheTomb@reddit
The gate door is wide open, that dog can leave if they want. But like people, dogs also like having their own personal space sometimes. For many dogs, their pen is like their own bedroom, it's their personal room specially for them.
misterwizzard@reddit
You'll notice the door to the cage is open. Many breeds like or even prefer to have a cage/crate/box. Had a pait of spanoels that wouldn't sleep anywhere else at night.
freet0@reddit
Before we got the crate our dog would freak out and cry and howl whenever we left home. With the crate she settles down and naps.
martinsa24@reddit
My dog hates coming inside to sleep in her kennel overnight after spending all day outdoors. Granted she loves it when it's 100F outside.
ZaBaronDV@reddit
Dogs are den animals, enclosures make them feel safe. Not only that, but in the image the door is open, the dog could leave anytime he wants.
beerhunter429@reddit
Really want to see anons try to raise an australian cattle dog
smokeymcpot720@reddit
Forget the cage. I'm opposed to certain pets for city slickers just in general. You can't leave a dog locked up in your apartment for 10h or however long you're at work. It's just cruel.
Ill-Support6649@reddit
Agreed. This is how the majority of dogs live their lives now. It is harrowing. I don’t believe anyone who claims to love their dog unless they are home with them a large chunk of time and that the dog has access to a very large yard to run around in. I live on a large property for a city and it is not even enough for a dog to be mentally well in. Moved from 40 acres to 3 and the dog became immediately distressed and started acting out when she was previously very well behaved. The city is no place for large animals.
KneeDeepInTheDead@reddit
3 acres isnt enough?? Lol I have 1 acre and my dog runs around like a maniac just fine.
27Buttholes@reddit
I made my dogs cage into the comfiest bed with blackout curtains and he’d only go in there if he was feeling scared or sick. He’d get so huffy when I had to clean it
Sparta63005@reddit
My dog goes in the kennel on her own, she must like it then??
Redditbecamefacebook@reddit
'I locked my dog in a cage for hours every day, and now she goes in there on her own. See! She likes it!'
ThaLemonine@reddit
Americans get so defensive when they realise the rest of the world isn’t obsessed with crates
jpenczek@reddit
That door is wide open, that dog is there willingly.
When it's thundering outside my dog will actually go to his cage to hide. If you make the cage a safe place dogs will go to it willingly. Just don't use the cage as punishment.
real_picklejuice@reddit
“Anon wants to sleep with their dog under their covers every night”
SpaceDounut@reddit
It is almost like there is something in between of this two options
FearLeadsToAnger@reddit
I mean not under the covers but yes.
Tenuous_Tangent@reddit
I have two cocker spaniels that are yappy little devils. At night and when we're away, we put them in their own separate kennels and let them out in the morning.
We seriously can't let them roam the house on their own. They'll destroy it.
NPR_slut_69@reddit
I saw a tweet once that was basically like "white women love pitbulls because it's the closest they can come to legally owning a black person" and I think about it all the time
Her0_0f_time@reddit
Mother fucker, the door is open on that cage. The dog likes being in there. He isnt trapped in there.
CaryTriviaDude@reddit
bingo. for my german shepherd we have a large crate in the bedroom that's mostly covered by blankets, that's been his den his whole life and he always sleeps in it. the door on it is almost never closed, and it's common to find him there whenever he wants to go take a longer nap
worried_panda@reddit
I love the cope of caging animals being a good thing. Whatever you say buddy
lifesnotperfect@reddit
ITT: “this is okay”, “fuck you! It’s not!”
TomtheWonderDog@reddit
As my dog approached the end she went partially blind and deaf so nighttime would be really hard on her.
Her cage with a blanket over it was the only place, aside from being practically under my arm in bed, that she could sleep soundly.
WorkerClass@reddit
OP, you're an idiot.
PooInTheStreet@reddit
In today’s discourse. People who went to the dickbarber arguing why they put good boys behind bars with the same retarded logic that led to their incomplete dicks.
RandomStallings@reddit
ITT: a good reminder that everyone thinks they know everything about something.
Lonely_Eggplant_4990@reddit
I crate my dog, she loves it
Lower_Preparation_83@reddit
This is the first time I see this shit, no way it's real
pneis1@reddit
it is and americans are real coping
Anach@reddit
As a long-term GSD owner, having multiple large dogs at once, I've never once needed to cage them inside the house. I do have a yard with fences and a gate, and they have a bed on the deck, that's when I can't take them with me. Inside the house, they have their own beds, which are simply flat, raised beds, but most the time they sit on the couch, unless there are visitors.
xxrumlexx@reddit
My dog loves laying under our wall mounted bathroom sink. The tiles are nice and cool and he can a out scuttle under there. I think it's his safe space. Sometimes it gets hard finding him though
Zealousideal-Ad-6039@reddit
What breed/mix is this dog? My family took in a stray dog years ago (she literally just came towards our door and stood outside) that looks exactly like this and I know that she's definitely a mutt, but I'm curious if there's a specific mix that creates this look (because this specific type of mutt seems to be very common , vet said Beagle something)
damnmaster@reddit
It looks like a beagle due to the colour pattern and ears but the snout and size tells me it’s mixed with a bigger dog like a golden
AntDracula@reddit
Looks like a hound and/or beagle mix
Cozy_Minty@reddit
My dog was crate trained when she was a puppy so she wouldn't eat electrical wires while we were sleeping. She was trained to go in there when I said "Goodnight!" and she would just go in there and go to sleep. We kept the crate in the bedroom so she could always see us and not feel alone. Once she got through the chewing stage we didn't use it anymore and now she sleeps in bed with me