Taiwan president calls for peace and dialogue with China amid heightened military activity
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AlbertoRossonero@reddit
Honestly he’s been extremely aggressive so this is welcomed news. The majority of Taiwan don’t want a military escalation with China so it’s good to see they’re not being ignored.
nothingpersonnelmate@reddit
Aggressive how? Military incursions into Chinese waters or airspace, testing weapons or drilling plans for an attack on the Chinese mainland, or what?
Still_There3603@reddit
His administration is trying to desinicize the island, labeling Han (96% of the population) as "other" in the offical demographic webpage. Stripping away the identity of the people to saber rattle with China.
Even Tsai didn't go this far!
big_cock_lach@reddit
Well that is a complete lie:
https://www.taiwan.gov.tw/content_2.php
Nice try spouting Chinese propaganda though. Is that +10 social points? Is it -20 for being too obviously a lie though? Oops. Sorry mate. Didn’t mean to hurt your score.
As the other people were saying, now your government is just sounding a lot like Hitler’s and Putin’s governments. That’s not exactly something you want to strive for.
Still_There3603@reddit
You're a fool. The comment responding to you has said everything I would have said.
defenestrate_urself@reddit
It's true they removed 'han' category for the native language website.
https://www.ey.gov.tw/state/99B2E89521FC31E1/2820610c-e97f-4d33-aa1e-e7b15222e45a
https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/202505120013
Which is the one that matters if you are trying to convince your population to feel more detached from it's shared history with the mainland. The DPP have been systematically doing so, from changing the syllabus taught of Taiwan's history taught to children.
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2022/11/06/2003788360
To removing public monuments that remind people of the history of the Island.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/taiwan-remove-chiang-kai-shek-statues-taoyuan-city-dpp-william-lai-4310711
nothingpersonnelmate@reddit
Sorry, you're arguing that 96% of Taiwan are now an oppressed minority that need to be liberated? Or this shift in ethnic labelling is some sort of physical attack or threat of attack against China? I've no idea how the former could possibly be described as "aggression" barring some translation error, and the latter would be even more of an insane claim.
Veelze@reddit
Isn't this Russia tactic? Claiming that Ukrainians were Nazis that were committing genocide against Russians?
JesusFappedForMySins@reddit
It's true tough, the eastern parts of Ukraine is very Russian. They (Ukraine) tried very hard to de-russonise the population and stoke Ukrainian nationalism.
Absolute_Satan@reddit
And the russians did it for them. I work with ukrainean refugees in Berlin and all of them can speak russian (because I don't speak ukrainean) and they all the ones from eastern Ukraine are now learning Ukrainean because they never needed it in their daily lives before but now russian is seen as a sign of russian oppression by them. And this is a sentiment that started with crimea so it's kinda the fault of russia
nothingpersonnelmate@reddit
It was also the justification Hitler gave for invading Czechoslovakia.
Sircamembert@reddit
It's not like he needed to do that. The only portion of Taiwanese in favor of unification are the old school KMT exiles from the civil war era.
The other generations all see unification as a shit deal for them. And that gap hasn't closed since the HK protests.
You think being identified as "Han Chinese" will somehow improve those numbers?
Radiant-Ad-4853@reddit
Yeah DPP sees the bottom line here . China will invade regardless.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Maybe. Maybe not.
But everyone understands that China will somehow take control of Taiwan.
That might happen peacefully via treaty/referendum.
It could be slow, like breaking down barriers between the two countries until everyone views them as basically a single entity.
Kinda like what the EU did to Europe.
Also, Westerners have this weird fetish thing where they will imagine this underdog Taiwan having some D-Day like event but Taiwan holds on. The West comes in and saves the day.
China doesn’t need to do that. All they have to do is blockade the island. No ships in or out.
Even cutting the internet cables to Taiwan might force them to capitulate.
xaina222@reddit
Blockade ? the US Navy cant even stop the Houthis and the Russian navy never dared venture near Ukraine, the 19th century gunboat diplomacy doesnt exist anymore.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Yeah. That’s exactly my point.
You don’t need big fancy navies to blockade anyone.
Drones and anti-ship missiles have advanced to the point that even Yemen can get them.
China has alot of high quality anti-ship missiles that can be launched from air, land, sea.
Same is true with Russia who has also blockaded Ukraine via missiles.
Ukraine sunk the Moskva with missiles.
LawsonTse@reddit
Actually black sea shipping isn't too disruptive as neither Ukraine and Russia have engaged in unrestricted commerce warfare for fear of international backlash. China has no such restraint given it is the main power in the region and already in conflict with the US just by launching military operations against Taiwan
xaina222@reddit
You know Chinese ships traverse there too right ? You cant just shoot missile at ships and not expect to get shot back, a huge chunk of Chinese economy goes through the same sea.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
I am well aware of that.
The only difference between the two is that one is an island. The other is not.
So while a lot of Chinese ships go through there currently. They don’t have to.
You can go through Pakistan. Or Central Asia. You could go North.
As for “huge chunks of China’s economy”, yeah they aren’t going to back down.
They didn’t back down with the tariffs. We did. The same thing will happen with Taiwan. You can’t deny that the country that lost 20 million people in WW2 has stronger resolve than a country gets pissy if gas is $5 a gallon.
xaina222@reddit
Actually the side that lost 20 millions people in WW2 are the KMT.
And Im not questioning their resolve, Im saying a blockade wont do shit without boots on the ground, fking Palestine is blockaded from all sides for years now and they still havent given up.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
A blockade would do a lot. Taiwan would run out of food, fuel and munitions in under 90 days.
It’s even worse than Gaza since it is an island. And Gaza literally can’t give up.
The entire objective of Israel towards Gaza is to eliminate or remove the Palestinians.
The entire objective of China is unification with Taiwan.
These people speak the same language. They have the same culture. They both revere the same historical figures. They have the same history.
Taiwan and China are much more similar than they are dissimilar.
xaina222@reddit
And what would China do if US decide to run the blockade with supply ships ?
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
They will shoot at them.
China is willing to go to war over Taiwan.
America is not.
Also, the Palestinians can’t really give up. Taiwan “giving up” means they become like Hong Kong.
xaina222@reddit
Lol, if China start shooting first at US ships, they would be the one escalating by shooting at aid delivering ships, not to mention China cutting off the main supplier of US chips which is essential to EVERYTHING, America WILL go to war over it, and every single Chinese ships outside of the SCS will be free game with China's food self-sufficiency rate has been steadily decreasing, from 93.6% in 2000 to 65.8% in 2020, and is projected to further decline to 58.8% by 2030, it might lead to a WW3 scenario.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
America is not going to go to war over an island of ~20 million people 60 miles off the coast of China.
Going to war against China would mean substantial Naval losses. Americans would not tolerate such losses.
China’s current food imports are irrelevant since they can simply go back to not importing food.
Besides most of these food imports are basically grain primarily used as animal feed.
Russia would be more than happy to supply China with its any grain it needs.
If you cut off Taiwan, the island becomes useless for the West.
xaina222@reddit
Remember, America didn't start the war, in your scenario, China declared war first when they start shooting at US ships, WW3 is pretty much inevitable after that point.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
It doesn’t matter who started it.
Russia started the war in Ukraine by invading.
They took 1/5 of the country and will keep that land.
Same thing will happen with Taiwan.
No one cares who starts it.
xaina222@reddit
Ukraine is unimportant to the US, 90% of US advanced chips are made in Taiwan with 2 countries cooperation going back almost half a century, and guess what Russia did to get the lands ? Not a fking blockade, they didn’t even dare shoot at US drones, A blockade is unenforceable in modern times.
FrankSamples@reddit
China doesn’t want a war. It would hinder all their exponential gains they have made technologically and economically.
It’s why the U.S. keeps trying to goad them into a war, to stop China’s progress.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Depends how you define “aggressive”.
If you mean words, then yes he is aggressive with his rhetoric.
But that is just to score political points.
In order to run the DPP, you have to walk this line of promising Taiwanese independence, but also not.
It’s kinda like how European leaders will use Ukraine to boost their poll numbers. They will give press statements about deploying troops or ramping up production or creating no-fly zones.
Those statements make them look tough & dynamic. Voters like that.
LawsonTse@reddit
Words matter here though. Defacto Taiwan is already as independent as a it can hope to be, and this status quo is tolerated by China. However by keep talking up indepdence they are shifting the domestic and international opinions on pursuing de jure independence.
Known_Week_158@reddit
How? Where's his mass if military drills in Chinese waters? Where his threat of a blockade? Where's his threats of invading China? That is what being extremely aggressive is.
You're blaming Taiwan, as compared to the power (China) actually doing the military escalation.
Special-Remove-3294@reddit
Taiwan is a tiny country compared to the superpower that is China. There is no threat of Taiwan invading China or them being able blockade the PRC. Such threats would not be agressive but laughable.
Both-Manufacturer419@reddit
He usually strikes China with actions first, and then uses words to ease the tension. No one will believe him.
lan60000@reddit
Not too surprised when United States is currently in a political limbo with where it wants to stand as a global power piece. That said, if Taiwan can bargain some semblance of a short term non-aggression pact with China, they might avoid war ever becoming a topic forever because China is struggling with their own version of a population age disparity crisis as well, and the economic instability across multiple rural regions have now become a severe issue to the point of civil unrest. China won't have time to assume war on neighbouring countries if it's people rise up in protest, and who knows where USA will stand in the next presidency.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
America knows exactly where it stands.
The shifts we see are simply to divide the costs.
age2bestogame@reddit
Governments also go to war to stabilize their home front. It's a rather common strategy
zQuiixy1@reddit
Neither China nor Taiwan are in a position where they need a war for that because both are currently pretty damn stable
age2bestogame@reddit
Oh,absolutely
vhu9644@reddit
I think the real curveball is Trump.
If the DPP oversees a massive decrease in economic activity, even if it’s not even their fault, you might get the KMT again, who are more pro-Chinese. Trump could do a number of things that threaten the Taiwanese economy. If Lai is seen both fanning Chinese aggression (again, even if it’s not his fault) and not protecting the Taiwanese economy enough, the DPP may be voted out the next election and you may see a switch up in the trend of cross-strait relationships.
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