FDA says Covid vaccines likely not available for healthy kids and adults this fall
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Dontbelievethehype24@reddit
I'm planning to get my Covid vaccine outside of the US this year.
NipplesandToes230@reddit
Pharmacists aren’t required to verify whether you have a “high-risk” condition. Just saying.
Choice-Pudding-1892@reddit
Yes but will our Medicare cover it is the question?
SoggyGrayDuck@reddit
There's a REASON they did this. It's not safe!
Seriously people, they're admitting it now and some still want to deny it
hooptysnoops@reddit
my pharmacists are VERY pro-vaccine and they were not allowed to give me the RSV vaccine because I did not meet the age requirements and they were not allowed to accept my verbal declaration about a comorbidity. They apologized multiple times but their hands were tied. I was able to get it through my PCP who had access to my diagnosis through my chart.
hillbilly-man@reddit
I'm in a similar situation with my shingles vaccine. I qualify despite my age based on being immunocompromised, but even the most pro-vaccine pharmacists I've talked to haven't been able to give me the shingles vaccine without a prescription (which my doctor refuses to provide because he feels it's unnecessary).
I hope the COVID vaccine doesn't end up being this strict...
hooptysnoops@reddit
I'd find a new doctor or get a consultation/2nd opinion from an immunologist. Shingles is horrible for people without immune system issues, I can't imagine dealing with it as someone immunocompromised.
hillbilly-man@reddit
I totally agree! This isn't even the only reason I'm looking for a new MS specialist
UndoxxableOhioan@reddit
Yeah, I’ve asked my doctor for RSV, an MMR booster, pneumococcal, and shingles shots, and he indicated I wasn’t eligible and insurance is unlikely to cover them even if he could give them.
RabbitLuvr@reddit
I got my MMR booster at Costco in February. No questions asked, and no charge to me. I started getting the pneumonia vax when I was technically “too young,” because I get frequent sinus infections.
hooptysnoops@reddit
Now the MMR booster I was able to get at the pharmacy with no questions. You could ask him to check your titers and see if you have reduced immunity which would then allow you to get the booster if needed. But some insurance won't cover the lab work. It's all a shell game. I've been very lucky, RSV and trying to get a COVID booster in March were the only speedbumps I hit since Nov. on vaccines.
Dontpanicarthurdent@reddit
This is the best info for people to use. In 2020 I was diagnosed with cancer and when the vaccine finally got released in late 2020 I couldn’t wait to get it. I had to drive about 2 hours away for an available dose (in deep red country) and when the pharmacist saw me she was skeptical that I had any high-risk category since I LOOKED healthy on the outside. When I told her I had cancer she clearly felt embarrassed for doubting, and got me set up immediately. I’ve since never been asked again.
forested_morning43@reddit
I’ve been through something similar.
EdgeCityRed@reddit
Yep, they don't care, and it's not like there's a shortage. We just got boosted last month for an upcoming cruise.
My insurance just...pays? I'm sure they'd rather pay for a vaccine than a week on ECMO in the ER if I caught a bad case.
arutabaga@reddit
If you are using your insurance to get it covered they sure will check that you have a high risk diagnosis in your patient history.
3rd-party-intervener@reddit
Insurance companies love vaccines. Vaccine cheaper than paying for hospital stay. I bet insurance companies still cover them broadly
biobennett@reddit
Just be careful playing this game, if you get a pre-existing condition charted and those protections are taken away, it may fuck with your insurance coverage down the line if they allow pricing based on medical history
edwardphonehands@reddit
Obesity, asthma, a whole list of conditions count.
FIRElady_Momma@reddit
Many pharmacists in my red state are against the COVID vaccine and fight me every time.
SLEEyawnPY@reddit
Yes, the overarching idea is just to try to make the meds be unavailable as many places as possible as much as possible.
UndoxxableOhioan@reddit
My insurance sure as fuck will.
Unhappy-Plastic2017@reddit
Yup. Just like during the start of pandemic getting additional boosters you can get it if you write you are immunocompromised or take a drug that lowers your immune system. I did this and they don't check. I'm sure this counts as you being "not healthy"
Dream-Ambassador@reddit
Ugh this sucks. I appear healthy but I take immunosuppressants to remain healthy. I really really rely on vaccines to keep me out of the hospital when I get sick.
I was almost hospitalised for RSV, had to stop taking my medication to get over it after fighting it for 3 weeks, not able to work.
I really don’t want to die of covid.
Unique-Sock3366@reddit
I have lupus. I’m also a nurse.
I know a lot of medical professionals who will not simply continue to work front line healthcare without the vaccinations that help to keep us safe.
This is bullshit.
Alectraz666@reddit
Not at all saying you shouldn't do what you feel makes you safe, just sharing my personal experience.
I have many nurses in my family, friends, and customers of mine are nurses and doctors. Over 90% of those I know refused to get the vaccine in the first place. I had a customer once who was a lung specialist during 2021 summer who moved from new jersey because the vaccine rules there were so ridiculous. He personally saw the vaccine take out multiple of his patients after he himself took the shot. He died a year later, he believes the vaccine did more damage to him than the sickness could have. Unlucky for all of us, he didn't live to finish his theory.
ShockFit6103@reddit
Bullshit
Unique-Sock3366@reddit
That’s nonsense.
Rent_Weekly@reddit
This “vaccine” doesn’t keep you safe. Good grief keep up
Born-Ad-4860@reddit
Fuck Trump
Unique-Sock3366@reddit
I’m the medical professional here. Not you.
Good grief. Grow up.
BigJSunshine@reddit
Please take care of yourself first. These motherfuckers will not save or help you
Unique-Sock3366@reddit
Thank you, my friend 💜
dog_magnet@reddit
Immunosuppressants are on the list of high risk conditions. So you should be able to get vaccinated. The question will be what hoops anyone has to jump through to "prove" their conditions.
ObscureSaint@reddit
But now healthy people who would like to do their best not to kill their immunocompromised friend or family member can't get vaccinated.
It's a shit decision, regardless.
neverforgetreddit@reddit
That's not how it works. If anything you would be less likely to show symptoms when infected while vaccinated. So more likely to have an interaction while having COVID without realizing it.
dog_magnet@reddit
Agreed, the decision is utter shit. But at least (for now) high risk people can themselves get vaccinated. It's better than the total ban I was half expecting, especially for the mrna vaccines (which is all that's available to under 12s).
SunWooden2681@reddit
I am optimistic that you can go to a pharmacy and just fill out the form. Doctors are usually not involved with vaccines.
thrombolytic@reddit
Immunosuppressants are one of the qualified exceptions. Obesity, history of smoking, asthma, mental health disorders, pregnant or post partum.
Dream-Ambassador@reddit
That is reassuring to hear.
PenImpossible874@reddit
I'm not scared of dying. I'm scared of long covid, and having a higher risk of Alzheimer's later in life.
catsaboveall@reddit
Agreed. We had a healthy kid before covid. She came down with it in 2021, when she was 3. She didn't stop coughing for 2 years. So many inhalers, pulmonologist appts, sleep dr appts and peds appts. It was terrible.
ObscureSaint@reddit
Yeah, covid gave me POTS and now I can't stand up longer than five minutes. It's a valid fear.
flowerchildmime@reddit
Long Covid is shit. I’ve been sick since 2021.
PenImpossible874@reddit
My friend got high blood pressure and depression from long covid. He's young and was previously in good health
BelAirBabs@reddit
So sorry. It is hard to deal with an ongoing illness.
PossibilityNext3726@reddit
Ditto. I a 32-day flu that my brother was done with after 6 days. I got it from him.
It’s fucking insulting how people cough openly everywhere.
Dull-Hornet-2596@reddit
Yeah….we had a lady in our waiting room unmasked, coughing everywhere. When i pulled her test order i realized she was being tested for freaking TB.
flowerchildmime@reddit
Yep. Same. Got sick Jan 8th and was till sick at the end of Feb. this flu session was no joke. But I do have long COVID.
HappyAnimalCracker@reddit
This is why I mask up every time I leave the house.
theycallmecliff@reddit
Same. I would hope they consider immune disorders as part of the high-risk category. I've been approved for Paxlovid in the past on those grounds, at the very least.
NerfAA12@reddit
Y'all are still playing covid? Getting that 8th booster? Lmao
Cool_Direction_9220@reddit
if i believed they were in good faith (i certainly don't) i would say that they don't understand how covid 19 works. covid damages the immune system. if you've had covid, you may be immunocompromised and not even know it. this is why people are getting sick every few months when they hadn't before.
Decisionspersonal@reddit
Weird, anecdotally speaking the ones I notice getting sick more frequently are the ones that got the covid shots.
adoradear@reddit
I’m a doctor and that’s absolutely not true. I cannot explain to you what an absolute game changer the vaccine was/is. We used to see several absolutely disgusting chest X-rays per shift. I haven’t seen a covid X-ray in years - I live in a very very highly vaccinated area.
Decisionspersonal@reddit
Good deal, sounds like your anecdotal evidence is different than mine.
adoradear@reddit
The actual evidence also does not back up your anecdote.
Decisionspersonal@reddit
The one controlled by the leftist globalist? The same ones that hid Bidens health decline?
Lol, no one is to be trusted on the left.
DuchessOfCarnage@reddit
FYI, after age 70 men aren't recommended to even get prostate screening done! It is absolutely unsurprising that it wasn't diagnosed until he was experiencing symptoms. I'm not sure which sources you'd trust, so I don't want to describe any, but if you use your preferred search engine you can find them! https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/should-i-continue-to-get-regular-psa-testing-after-age-70
Also who is more of a globalist than the current GOP? The President is using government resources to publicize opening a branch of his company in Gaza. His son in law got billions from the Saudis. His daughter had a sweetheart deal with the Chinese government about her apparel brand.
Decisionspersonal@reddit
The only way to catch late stage aggressive cancer is from a prostate exam?
How did they catch it this time? Lol
DuchessOfCarnage@reddit
As I mentioned in my second sentence, the onset of symptoms could have led to diagnosis. Sorry you skimmed over that piece that would have answered your questions!
Decisionspersonal@reddit
Yeah, the man with the best healthcare in the world is just waiting for symptoms instead of blood test. Got it.
antidumb@reddit
Leftist globalists… you typed that sincerely, didn’t you?
adoradear@reddit
I’m not American so I could give 2 shits about your weird conspiracy theory. Vaccines work. If you’d prefer to die like a medieval peasant, please go right ahead. Just don’t go running to a doctor when you get sick due to your poor choices. After 2020, we’re done caring.
kezfertotlenito@reddit
bad bot
WhyNotCollegeBoard@reddit
Are you sure about that? Because I am 99.50407% sure that Decisionspersonal is not a bot.
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Sushi_Explosions@reddit
lol no.
Decisionspersonal@reddit
Wow, I’m glad you know my personal experiences better than me. Good job, you should be the richest man in the world with those skills!
Sushi_Explosions@reddit
Indeed. I do know that you are incapable of actually understanding what is going on around you, which is why you say stupid stuff like this.
Decisionspersonal@reddit
Wow, you sound like a great person!
flowerchildmime@reddit
Didn’t most ppl get the shots. Where I live the seemed to.
Decisionspersonal@reddit
I would say most people got them, I’m in a very conservative area and field of work. Most people I know did not get them. Maybe about 20% did.
outworlder@reddit
Covid also damages blood vessels. Which then lead to increased rates of all sorts of cardiovascular problems, strokes, etc.
Alectraz666@reddit
That funny. Every doctor and nurse is know has told me everyone with a vaccine had these problems. Most doctors and nurses i know got expemtions from the vaccine.
outworlder@reddit
Thanks for the perspective. I hope you move to an area with access to better medical care professionals.
I don't know a single doctor in my area that hasn't been vaccinated. Heck, expand that, I've had consultations with doctors in the country I was born, and they all asked if I was up to date with the COVID vaccine and boosters. Plus, of course, the rest of the vaccination schedule.
If you think a Covid vaccine can cause those issues, which vaccine? There are many types; MRNA, viral vector, even attenuated viruses using old school chicken eggs. Which one is problematic, in your view?
And if you think they can cause those problems, and they only contain pieces of the virus, what do you think the entire live virus is going to do when it starts replicating inside of you?
Alectraz666@reddit
In my view, I'm not an expert by any means. I used to be adamant about not vaccinating my children when I got older. It was until I actually had a child here was I more sensible. I trust her pediatrician. She is doing the regular schedule. Her pediatrician says he doesn't push the covid or flu shots on kids, but also says there's no harm in doing it if we want. He also says he doesn't care for the gardasil (I think I have that right, the HPV one) at 12 years old, but again says no harm either.
Personally I dont trust vaccines for many reasons, but I like to think I am not a fool and realize both sides have an agenda. Everyone, has an agenda and I have to navigate as best I can through the true, false, harmful, and safe myself.
I dont believe my daughter needs the full schedule, but I had the full schedule growing up and I'm fine. Granted I haven't had a single vaccine since I was like 8, I am 30 now. I am healthy, covid doesn't affect me so I dont get vaccinated. Here in SD, nobody got vaccinated unless their employer demanded it and they couldn't get religious exemption. A lot of people quit their jobs. Our hospitals were busy, but with typical stuff.
Also my grandfather died of a heart attack after he got vaccinated. The EMT workers pretty much said they blamed that. I have lots of nurse friends that treated numerous young men for heart issues and blood clots after vaccination.
Again, I have no idea what or who to believe, but its definitely not big pharmaceutical or Anthony fauci who is a proven liar now. I know this is a long rant not saying much, I'm just torn in this world of disinformation
outworlder@reddit
Ok, your comment is quite a bit better than what I expected.
Governments don't ask for vaccines out of the goodness of their hearts. It's just that it's an incredibly effective and inexpensive solution that prevents their workforce from becoming ineffective in great numbers and saves all sorts of costs, even (perhaps especially) in a country with shitty healthcare.
The issue with vaccines is that they are so incredibly effective that we forgot how it was before they were invented or widespread. I'm still old enough that, in the developing country I was born at, I would still see people that survived polio back when I was a kid. Disabled people who had thin sticks instead of legs. Sometimes arms too if they were less lucky. The really unlucky ones were dead.
Once the polio vaccine became widespread, people would queue up to get it. Even though it would sometimes cause polio. It was still better than getting the virus at full strength.
Children with pertussis were still a thing. Granted, I didn't see those personally, but they would be occasionally featured on TV during vaccination campaigns. It's nightmarish.
Because people don't see those anymore, they think it's all fine.
If you are healthy you should still get vaccinated. We don't send armies to fight an enemy that they have never seen, we train them first. Even if they could prevail without training, that avoids casualties. Why would we do it differently with the immune system? All you are doing when you get vaccinated is providing target practice. That also avoids the 10 or so days it takes for the body to figure out and start manufacturing antibodies. If you do encounter the real thing, you are prepared and often the body can destroy the pathogen so quickly you don't even know you got infected.
For some diseases it doesn't matter how healthy you are. Case in point: tetanus. The body is too slow, by the time it is able to make antibodies, it's too late, you are on your way to the grave. At least get that one if you do nothing else, more so if you work with soil.
I won't dive in the whole Fauci thing because it doesn't help once you have made your mind. I would, however, suggest you look at what other countries do. Including those that are very poor and don't have Dr. Fauci.
You are right that there's a lot of misinformation. But vaccines should not have been mixed with politics.
Alectraz666@reddit
I agree with everything you've said. Even when I was fairly "anti vax" i could admit that polio and smallpox didn't just dissappear all by themselves or just simply because of indoor plumbing. This is why i trust my daughters pediatrician, and acknowledge doctors "practice" medicine and nothing foes perfect. I guess in a short point: I'm no fool, but i am weary. I like to think I'm not a fool at least. Someone who knows everything can't be taught/learn. If you stop learning you start dying.
outworlder@reddit
I agree with you as well. It is wise to be skeptical and question things. That's even more important these days. It's also important to learn how to research and filter information. Far too many people just stick with the first piece of information they learn and never change their minds afterwards, despite the evidence. Others will listen to "authority" figures(like priests, politicians or news anchors) and never try to cross check information, or wonder what their agenda is.
People can be stupid. Doctors are people, and I've met some really questionable ones. But, everything else being the same, they at least got the relevant education. If you trust your daughter's pediatrician and follow the medical recommendations, that's fair enough.
Even if you disagreed with me, the fact that you are open to learning new things and doing what's right it's refreshing.
Best wishes for you and your daughter 🙂
DuchessOfCarnage@reddit
I'm certain they did not get "expemtions". But even if they did, the plural of anecdote is not data! I wouldn't trust data coming from a person who is confused about how to use a conjunction.
I'd love to see their methodology for reviewing private health data, and talking about it with the public! And their stats person, how they verified that it was causative and not just that more sickly people were getting vaccinated. We absolutely know COVID causes many blood and heart issues, in numbers that would be unimaginable pre-2019!
Vegetable-Cherry-853@reddit
Covid vaccine damages the heart, so there's that
Cool_Direction_9220@reddit
yes! overall sars viruses are bad news. i have heard so many stories of people in their 20s and 30s having heart attacks, strokes, and cancer as well. it's scary.
outworlder@reddit
A piece of "code" that hijacks your genetic machinery is always scary. You don't fuck with viruses.
Bacteria can be more catastrophic short term (more so when they make toxins) but usually you either kill them and you are good to go or you do not and you are screwed(tuberculosis and the like are big outliers, and even those can at least be detected).
But viruses? Some can remain forever and reactivate. Herpes (and shingles) come to mind. Some will cause issues long term, including cancer, even when they are harmless at first glance (HPV), which makes the whole discussion about lethality dumb.
Every time I heard "it's just like a flu" I died a little bit inside. No, idiot, a self replicating nanomachine that's fucking around in your cell's nucleus and doing Cthulhu knows what isn't just a minor thing, especially given its lineage. "Oh, let's build immunity naturally". No! You don't send troops without training behind enemy lines, why would you do that with the immune system? Also, why give the virus time to mutate? You want a strong immune response and you want it immediately. "MRNA bad!" Ok, if you really think that, better not have a self replicating piece of code that can tell your cells to build MRNA at will in order to propagate itself.
I think this kind of complacency is why we don't see intelligent life across the galaxy. Life becomes way too easy so the civilization forgets its early struggles - right until it gets wiped out.
Cool_Direction_9220@reddit
absolutely preaching to the choir. I think it is strange that people aren't taking sars viruses that require serious ppe in lab settings seriously, but honestly, I'm not eager to get sick generally. 15 years ago I got a virus that made me chronically ill and even today I am still disabled and have not improved. you couldn't pay me any amount of money to take risks with my health, because I know how heavy the cost is.
outworlder@reddit
I know we are in agreement, I just wanted to rant a bit because shit's retarded. We have idiocracy rejects in charge of public health agencies.
KintsugiMind@reddit
I got Covid in the fall and have gotten sick so much since then. Also, my blood pressure medication seems to not be effective and new meds and higher doses aren’t doing anything… don’t know if it’s connected but it started after the Covid.
crusoe@reddit
Measles WIPES your immune memory. It literally can undo every other vaccination and lifetime exposure to every disease you've had. How long before we see anti covid vaxxers reccomend 'catching' measles to 'undo' the 'vaccine damage'. Only a mater of time...
Covid doesn't quite do the same thing, but it can infect immune cells, cause them to fuse, and produce defective pro-inflammatory cells that make your overall immunity worse.
hacksong@reddit
As someone measles vaccinated... Does it do the same for allergies? I physically can't breath without nasal spray for half the year.
Downtown_Angle_0416@reddit
This may not be the problem at all, and if not sorry for the unsolicited advice, but out of curiosity are you using something like Dristan? Oxymetazoline? I was addicted to that shit forever and if I stopped using it my sinuses swelled shut. It’s a well documented side effect. Doc put me on mometasone spray it got me off it in less than a week. Turns out my allergies are not nearly as bad as I thought they were, I was just hooked on that stuff. I’ll still use it if I have a really bad cold so I can sleep, because nothing works like it, but then I’ll switch to the other one for a few days to undo the rebound congestion.
slapitlikitrubitdown@reddit
Believe it or not allergies are varying in severity from person to person. So you may be exposed to something on a constant basis that you were originally allergic to but have since built immunity to that will also reset, and could cause more problems than the one you are trying to solve.
Just go get an allergy test and let the doc give you the shot for it.
hacksong@reddit
It's actually a local hay and a few pollens. I moved states about 4 years ago and the local climate absolutely does not agree with my sinuses.
I get nasonex prescribed, but even then I'm constantly blowing my nose or sniffling for the entirety of the spring/summer.
Whole-Signature-4306@reddit
That means the vaccine doesn’t and hasn’t worked
Cool_Direction_9220@reddit
it does work, it makes your risk of being hospitalized with or dying from a sars virus significantly lower. because covid is relatively new, they are still working on vaccines to prevent getting it.
couldbeahumanbean@reddit
It ain't worth it.
We're going on 5 years now.
Some folk... Just will never understand.
Besides, it's probably a bot or something.
Whole-Signature-4306@reddit
Yea that commenter just contraindicated herself in the same comment. 100% bot
couldbeahumanbean@reddit
couldbeahumanbean@reddit
Kittyluvins@reddit
So, my healthy family can’t get the vaccine to protect me? Makes sense.
PKRagnarok@reddit
The vaccine doesn’t reduce risk of transmission, just the severity in individuals who receive the vaccine. Zero reason for a healthy person to require the vaccine, same as the yearly flu shot.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39283431/
crusoe@reddit
Vaccine reduces likelyhood of long covid even in healthy individuals.
Vaccination reduces the chance of severe complications in flu infections even in healthy adults. Also the Flu can last for up to two weeks. Can you afford in the US to be away from a job for two weeks?
I've had flu when unvaxxed, and I had covid when vaxxed. Flu was bad enough. With covid I had bone and teeth pain, I can't imagine what unvaxxed would be like.
Long covid is caused sequalae such as the formation of syncytiums, where the virus causes cells to fuse to together to form damaged multinucleated cells. Covid can cause this to happen IN THE BRAIN among neurons. Once cells they can not be seperated. Fused neurons exhibit broken firing patterns and cause inflammation, likely cause of covid brain fog.
Covid can cause this EVEN IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS.
https://www.science.org/content/article/could-fused-neurons-explain-covid-19-s-brain-fog
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adg2248
Now intermittent fasting shows some efficacy at reducing long covid symptoms, likely by encouraging programmed cell death in fused cells. But of course, once neurons die, you don't get them back easily ( There is some evidence now of neuronal replication in adults, but it is at far slower rates than kids ).
PKRagnarok@reddit
What part of people have the choice to get vaccinated are people not understanding? My whole point was that it lowers the severity of virus, but not its ability to spread, therefore it should be a person’s choice as to whether or not they receive the vaccine.. I swear, it’s like you guys sit and wait to use certain debate points, whether or not it pertains to the argument.
Prudent_Spray_5346@reddit
Because vaccination shouldn't be about personal choice. It should be about protecting the herd.
And despite your misunderstanding of a scientific paper, you should still participate in vaccinating yourself to protect everyone from being infected by you, because vaccines do prevent transmission. Always.
Do not spread misinformation, and do not pretend to not understand why spreading misinformation about this particular topic is so disgustingly vile to so many
RadiantCoast6147@reddit
How do vaccines stop the spread of illnesses. They don’t make said person immune to the illness when they receive their vaccines. My partner ended up with what is called a “vaccine injury” after we went and received our shots to try and reduce our immune compromised daughter. Now my partner has a damaged heart and struggles with her short term memory.
So the vaccine they stated that is to help us actually damaged my partner. Which has now pushed me to believe in heard immunity a lot more and have distrust in our govt and our medical field.
Prudent_Spray_5346@reddit
Don't. Be. A. Dumbass.
A small percentage of people will have negative reactions to vaccines. Some people will have negative reactions to placebos. Most people simply have a medical development sometime after vaccination and they ascribe it to the vaccine. But for sure, some "vaccine injuries" are legitimate reactions to the vaccines.
But you should still get them. Because they do immunize you. That's why we call the "immunizations".
If SARA-COV-2 were managed appropriately from the start (primarily by the China and the first DJT regime), then the vaccination would have likely prevented endemicy. We must live with it now because of rhetoric and misinformation like what you are spreading here which made people refuse to trust science and medicine. People have died, and are dying, because you refused to be informed and because you insisted that your unqualified opinion mattered.
Shut the fuck up, do your duty, get vaccinated. And dont spread bullshit that you don't understand, okay?
RadiantCoast6147@reddit
The information that I shared is due to personal experience.
If you had a brain that you used to think for yourself and spout off google rhetoric. You’d know that vaccines take years to create and have countless tests done. It doesn’t show up in 4-6 months with said pharma agencies saying it’s perfectly fine and there are no issues then come out years later after the fact and state all of the side effects that now occur. We were basically Guinea pigs for people to make billions of dollars from our governments.
There’s a reason you see an increase in naturopathic medicine. It’s because it actually works. Loading our bodies with chemicals doesn’t work.
The only reason everything is out of control is due to our weakened immune systems from the years of constant Lysol use and wearing masks everywhere we went. That’s why we’re seeing increases in monkey pox and measles.
We all received the measles vaccines as toddlers and you’re going to tell me we have an extreme outbreak now out of nowhere? Think for yourself dude don’t listen to the shit the government and pharmaceuticals spout off. Modern medicine is made to kill us not to actually help us.
mwjbgol@reddit
What I don't understand is that this article isn't about forcing people to get the shot. It's about allowing people to get the shot if they want to. You seem to be arguing for choice, but in favor of taking that choice away from healthy people at the same time.
PKRagnarok@reddit
My original comment was in response to the statement that it helps for healthy people to get the vaccine to protect the immunocompromised, which it does not. Somewhere along the line everybody jumped my case about efficacy for individuals who receive the vaccine, which I never touched on. The original point got lost and I ended up getting points made on my behalf.
Z8roprime@reddit
So I should let the flu ravage me on a 9/10 scale every year instead of getting a flu vaccine and only feeling slightly under the weather?
PKRagnarok@reddit
We have immune systems for a reason. If you choose to get the vaccine yourself, that’s your prerogative. Be that as it may, the vaccines still do not prevent the spread of the virus, merely reduce severity for the people who receive them. The only reason to demand a healthy person receive the vaccine against their wishes is to make YOU feel emotionally better.
sweetwallawalla@reddit
No one is saying to “demand” that people get the vaccine. Where did you even get that? The point is that people will not be allowed to get the vaccine, even if they want it.
And even if the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of the illness, why shouldn’t people have the option of getting a vaccine that will make it at least slightly less miserable? Less likely to cause long term immune system damage? Do you take Tylenol when you have a headache?
Also, RE: “we have an immune system for a reason”— across all of human history people with perfectly functioning immune systems still died from diseases that we now have vaccines for.
neverforgetreddit@reddit
Yes. People did demand others get the vaccine. It was even mandated by biden for federal employees and places receiving Medicare funds. The Supreme Court blocked it
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59989476
And most Democrats supported the unlawful measure. https://www.ipr.northwestern.edu/news/2021/survey-most-americans-continue-to-support-vaccine-mandates.html
So yes, many many people demanded others get an experimental COVID vaccines.
sweetwallawalla@reddit
How is any of that relevant to THIS issue?
Also, I’m not surprised that that’s the only part of my response you chose to address.
neverforgetreddit@reddit
You asked "where did you even get that?" I answered. You didn't like the answer and now you're complaining and deflecting.
sweetwallawalla@reddit
Yes, as in “where did you get that from this article or from this current situation, not mandates from 4 years ago that are not relevant in the year 2025.” No one is talking about mandating these vaccines. Those of us who WANT the vaccines are not going to be allowed to get them.
Which is it—are you ok with the government dictating what we do with our bodies or not?
BullshitSloth@reddit
Vaccines help your immune system, you absolute potato.
The_Original_Miser@reddit
You lost me here. Trotting out the "I have an immune system" trope. Please don't. Let people get whatever vaccine(s) they choose to get.
Goge97@reddit
So clogging the healthcare system with severely ill/critically ill people so other dangerous health conditions can't be treated due to lack of available resources is just A-OK?
Did you even live through the COVID epidemic before the vaccines were available?
Dead bodies stacked in leaking trucks on the city streets because the morgue ran out of room.
I guess that is what individual choice means.
Unique-Sock3366@reddit
You won’t have your immune system for much longer, bud.
S-ludin@reddit
also no matter how healthy you are it's more than possible that you get sick with more than one thing at once. a flu alone may not kill you but a flu and pneumonia? could be deadly.
joeysflipphone@reddit
Bs. The quicker people recover from the virus, the less virus in the community, the less the likelihood for spreading. People have so simplified immunology, because their practicing armchair medicine, with maybe a high school diploma, online spreading misinformation. It's disgusting and why we're here.
No vaccine prevents 100% transmission. It's about community viral spreading and the amount in the community.
LadyDi18@reddit
But this study does NOT say that the covid vaccine won’t reduce your risk for getting covid in the first place - it just says that once you have covid, it doesn’t stop you from spreading it to others in the same way an infected and unvaccinated person would. Not sure how you then made the leap that there is no reason for a healthy person to get the vaccine. That makes no sense.
Pretend_Evidence_876@reddit
So we all have the ability to stay home from work for weeks? So, my kid gets it and has to stay home from school for a few weeks then I get it a week later and can't go to work for another week after my kid is better. Or, I can go to work and maybe kill my elderly coworkers. So, I get it and have to stay away from my newborn for weeks so they don't catch it and die or have damaged organs for the rest of their lives? Even extra complications if you're breastfeeding as many women will lose their supply without physical contact for several weeks, and my daughter had oral issues and literally could only breastfeed. So, I get it and have to stay away from my elderly mother for weeks who lives with me as her sole caregiver because it'll kill her? She can just fall down, not take her meds, and rot? If I was only sick for a few days, I can get someone to help. I can't get someone to help for 3 weeks. I used to be a nurse, and I'd have been really hesitant if I wasn't allowed to get regular vaccines. And there's already a shortage of healthcare staff. Now, people will be thinking twice on top of having to take more time off work.
This isn't giving people the ability to choose whether or not to take it. It's taking away our ability to choose whether or not to take it. It's taking away our rights for no reason. It doesn't hurt us to take it. It's not poisoning us like the high levels of lead still in many US water systems. Even if it doesn't directly prevent transmission, it does allow reasonable people who care about their fellow humans to stay home for a short period of time which reduces transmission.
It's also a slippery slope of which other vaccines are they going to prevent us from getting?
sovereignsekte@reddit
Something, something, something that's socialism!
d_to_the_c@reddit
Herd immunity is socialist!!1
What a time we live in.
unsurewhatiteration@reddit
If anyone making decisions understood how any of that worked...well, they would be different people than what they are and we wouldn't be here.
All-I-Do-Is-Fap@reddit
"new Covid vaccine now must undergo placebo-controlled clinical trials"
Oh the horror!
jwhildeb@reddit
Placebo trials for a vaccine are highly unethical when a good vaccine already exists. It wastes a ton of time, sure, but it also exposes test subjects to illness they could easily be protected against. There's simply no reason for them at this stage.
All-I-Do-Is-Fap@reddit
Ah yes "could easily be protected against", wcgw. 100% protected -> 80% protected -> 30% protected -> Negative efficacy the further you zoom out, i guess protection is relative.
Your faith in science is strong my friend.. and ppl say religion is dead.
crusoe@reddit
A requirement not imposed on Flu Vaccines because by the time its done, the virus has mutated. The same is true for Covid. But they got their pants ina. wad over it somehow due to misinfo.
All-I-Do-Is-Fap@reddit
Nothing like testing in production.
Alectraz666@reddit
Thank you! It is refreshing, and I thank you for your time and patience as well to discuss somthing that is often a topic that divides violently. Fear is a powerful thing, and its just that tool that those "authoritarian" figures use lol.
logicalmind42@reddit
Everyone it's time to go to the doctor and tell them that you have been smoking or you are suffering from some ailment that will get you on the list to get a shot. I don't believe there's any healthy adults or children in this country right?.....
PotentialMedium4792@reddit
For those of us who are close enough and willing to make the drive, is it possible we could still get vaccines up in a Canadian pharmacy or clinic if we’re willing to pay out of pocket?
ThreadLocator@reddit
Jokes on them I’m not healthy
Tha_Dude_Abidez@reddit
Good, as they shouldn’t be
WskyRcks@reddit
This was always the logical outcome for a vaccine that does not vaccinate. Either we can be rational and say “give it to those who need it or want it,” or we can be irrational and mandate that all 8 billion people on the planet have to get it every four months for the next thousand years. You can’t logically actually administer 24 billion dosages in a year.
For a vaccine that didn’t actually vaccinate, this was the inevitable policy.
This isn’t prepper news because preppers saw this 5 years ago. This is clickbait panic news.
Impossible-Road-4502@reddit
Please explain what you mean by “a vaccine that didn’t actually vaccinate”
Correct_Part9876@reddit
I'm guessing they're a "middle ground" anti-vaxer who trashes vaccines for the flu and COVID vs one like TDap. Because you still can get the flu after a flu shot (which, of course. It's immune system training not trying to prevent every strain ever), it doesn't actually "vaccinate". I live in a rural, anti-science, anti-vax area. It's lovely.
neverforgetreddit@reddit
The president went on TV and said if you get the vaccine you wouldn't get COVID. So people believed that the shots worked like the vaccinations they received as children that offer long term immunity. The COVID shots do not but communications by the government led people to believe they did.
https://youtu.be/VArXfQU--LA?si=SRcB5Vs6q67iJi__
WskyRcks@reddit
The manufacturers themselves openly state they’re only effective for weeks to months. That’s a treatment. That’s a therapy. That’s not a vaccine. It’s beneath us as adults and it’s disingenuous that people act like they’re not different.
It was helpful in decreasing symptoms and keeping people out of the hospital, but we have to have a real world honest conversation about how it was not a vaccine in the traditional sense and we can’t adopt new meanings to words just to make corporations like Pfizer feel better. I’m not going to carry water for a corporation whose primary goal is to make money, not full solutions.
https://images.app.goo.gl/E2DRweigMbc6g4k89
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/wr/mm7406a1.htm
It didn’t vaccinate. Because Pfizer said so.
Impossible-Road-4502@reddit
Does the flu shot not vaccinate?
WskyRcks@reddit
I’d say that’s a perfect example of a 50/50 call. CDC says it’s 40-60% effective, and wanes cover shorter periods of times.
And that’s the issue- efficacy over extended time. Time being the key factor. Since it’s 50/50 and doesn’t convey lasting immunity for extended time I would air in the side of “no, not good enough.”
Impossible-Road-4502@reddit
I don’t think you are qualified enough to dictate the definition of “vaccinate”. Leave that to the professionals.
Casperboy68@reddit
Honestly, I think just breathing and typing at the same time is a stretch.
afslav@reddit
For some reason brainworms make people think a vaccine that isn't 110% effective isn't actually a vaccine
WskyRcks@reddit
lol. If you need a booster every 4-6 months, it’s not a vaccine, it’s a corporate money printing machine. Tell me you have Pfizer stock without telling me g me you have Pfizer stock. “Vaccine means anything because I say so.” Spare me.
If you asked any room of people in America they’d all raise their hands saying they’ve all had 2-3 shots. They’d also all raise their hands saying they’ve have COVID at least 2-3 times.
RegretfulCreature@reddit
Nope, its a vaccine! It's called a vaccine you silly goose!
A vaccine, as per the definition: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease
Nothing about time limit, see? I think you're getting confused here.
Lost-Mulberry2068@reddit
This probably has something to do with that fact that early on, nearly every media outlet (as well as the president himself) said that if you get the vaccine you won't get covid. In reality, the vaccine decreases your likelihood of getting COVID by a fraction of one percent. Many people do not understand statistics, and think that 95% effective means you are increasing your resistance by 95% rather than ~0.5%
afslav@reddit
A 95% efficacy means that in two otherwise identical populations exposed to the virus, the vaccinated one will see 5% as many cases as the unvaccinated one. I'm not sure how you're torturing words to somehow make that seem like a miniscule amount.
Lost-Mulberry2068@reddit
Yes this is correct. But you leave out the context of the 99+% chance that both vaccine and placebo groups do not get covid. I am not torturing words, just highlighting a common misconception that could help shed some light on the reasoning behind the post that you attribute to brainworms
afslav@reddit
Your "context" is vague nonsense and in disagreement with the person you claim to be supporting, who says that everyone's getting COVID multiple times.
Lost-Mulberry2068@reddit
The context that I referred to is not nonsense or vague, unless you don't think NIH data is credible. Here is a good source to check out if you want to understand it better. I did not claim to support anyone wholesale or even in part, I don't know what this person says about how often people get covid, and it has no bearing on the veracity of the information I pointed out.
One reason people are so divided today is the false belief that you must be 100% in support of or 100% against the ideas of a person or group, when in reality, facts do not drive their truthfulness from which people believe them, and whether those people believe things that are untrue
afslav@reddit
That source explains clearly that the vaccines have a 95% efficacy rate. Whether the general public is intimately aware of what that actually means is not germane to the discussion. What efficacy rate would the COVID vaccine have to have, in your opinion, to be called a vaccine?
Similarly, do you think the measles vaccine isn't a vaccine because, up until recently, almost nobody got measles?
Lost-Mulberry2068@reddit
Yes, and it explains what 95% efficacy means. It is germane to the discussion, it's what we were talking about and it's what many people misunderstand. You seem to be missing my point: the "efficacy rate" does not include data about how likely placebo groups are to get infected. If 100 out of 1 billion people get a disease, and a vaccine cuts that to 1 out of 1 billion, that is a 99% efficacy rate. Many people would still choose not to get that vaccine because they only have a 0.00001% chance of getting the disease to begin with. So when you ask me what efficacy rate would be enough for me, it shows that you do not understand either this concept or my point. In addition to this, I never said anything about what is or isn't a vaccine
afslav@reddit
What other people misunderstand has no bearing on me and again is not relevant. The vaccines are highly effective, regardless of the prevalence of COVID. Also, the prevalence of the disease has little bearing on the value of getting vaccinated. Many diseases are significantly less prevalent because people get vaccinated for them.
I have said my piece, I have no interest in continuing to go back and forth about what other people might or might not know.
Lost-Mulberry2068@reddit
I'm also signing off, for others who may be interested, this is cognitive dissonance in action
icklefluffybunny42@reddit
Except it is still very common to get infected with Covid, especially in the US.
https://x.com/michael_hoerger/status/1924196421483282519
Here's a recent heatmap using wastewater data.
Excerpt:
This equates to about 1.6 million Americans being infectious with covid in a recent week. An infection can last one or two or perhaps 3 weeks so it's clear that Covid infection is stll very common and most people are just increasing their total number of times being infected by perhaps one every year or 2. Unendingly.
And it looks like from the \~450,000 peer reviewed papers on Covid now that much of the damage caused is cumulative with each reinfection.
Covid brain fog is more accurately called brain damage. While it may be mild for many and sometimes resolves I wonder what the plural of mild brain damage will turn out to be after 5 or 10 infections? I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is early onset dementia.
Sushi_Explosions@reddit
Bad bot.
CanofKhorne@reddit
The fuck are you talking about?
unsurewhatiteration@reddit
A bunch of people invented a new definition for the word "vaccinate" such that no vaccine meets the criteria, so that they could be anti-vax but pretend they aren't.
arb1698@reddit
Look at his account is a anti woke warrior.
ahojcoco@reddit
That medical tourism bout to skyrocket
vitalshoe@reddit
The amount of insane people here who get boosters every year is baffling.
mekat@reddit
My son has outlived almost every single kid with similar medical conditions because of my "medical insanity." I am one of only two mothers left in my early special needs parenting groups who is not crying over her child's grave. If being smart is insane then please bring out the straight jackets.
Not_Bernie_Madoff@reddit
People are still getting them? I didn’t know that, and I’m not being sarcastic.
mekat@reddit
Yes, the strains keep changing, so the vaccine needed keeps changing. Those at high risk are still at high risk of death. I don't get the COVID-19 vaccine for my sake, I will recover with no issue if I get sick. I get it for my elderly mother in heart failure and my immune deficient, medically complex, technology dependent son, both of them could suffer fatal complications.
I used to not be a believer in annual vaccines, but I have literally seen my son's hospitalizations and near misses with death drastically fall over winter when we started to aggressively pursue his seasonal vaccination for every household member. This policy will literally kill people.
Horrifying_Truths@reddit
They're planning on making the COVID-19 booster a seasonal one, like the flu. On my shot record, it specifies to list the 5 most recent Influenza and COVID shots you've received, implying that it's assumed you get these shots regularly.
Whyam1sti11Here@reddit
I get a covid booster in the fall with my flu shot.
vitalshoe@reddit
Well they don’t do anything so…
beer_ninja60@reddit
Morons are in charge of America's health
mediocre_remnants@reddit
My anti-vax MAGA family members are cheering this on, because they are still convinced that vaccines kill more people than they save. They were convinced that everyone who got the jab would be dead by now, but 70% of the entire world's population got the vaccine and they're still alive.
I lost 3 of my 4 grandparents to COVID, but my uncle, who not only lost both of his parents to COVID but is the one who gave it to his dad, is still firmly anti-vax. I can't even talk to him. I can't be in the same room as him. He still makes fun of people who wear masks, even though if he wore a mask when visiting his dad then his dad would likely still be alive today.
People are absolutely fucking morons and it hurts me.
101percenthatwitch@reddit
TLDR- In February, 5 of us with immature immune systems who received every covid shot/booster catch the same virus as 10 anti-vax family members. The 5 of us recover from the same virus before the anti-vax family members do.
Some backstory, my husband and I have been masking quite a bit in public settings since 2014 bc my middle son has a chronic health condition that has given him 3 strokes and my oldest has asthma. Our 3 children have been homeschooled as well, so they haven’t been exposed to ALOT of the germs which at times I regret. But my kids, myself and my husband have gotten every vaccine and booster avail. Every doctor has recommended the vaccines for us, including my son’s pediatric neurologist, infectious disease doctor, hematologist, gastroenterologist, etc.
Anyway in Feb 2025, we (5 of us) go to visit anti-vax family (10 of them) and we all catch something. All 15 of us are sick with the same bug, we end up testing negative for Covid and the flu. I kid you not, the 5 of us who technically have more immature immune systems are over whatever bug we caught within 7 days. While my anti-vax family members suffered for at least 2-3 weeks. Some them ended up with bronchitis, sinusitis, or at bare min coughed for a a few weeks with chest congestion.
My husband fared the best out of all 15 of us. He wasn’t really sick, just tired for 1 day. He is the only one in the entire family who caught Covid (business trip in Aug.2024) and has been vaccinated. Anti-vax family has caught Covid a few times.
beer_ninja60@reddit
I'm sorry to hear that. Since masks cost money I think people like your uncle should be asked if they are okay with their surgeons, nurses, and dentists, opting to not wear a mask.
Dull-Hornet-2596@reddit
That’s terrible. I’m so sorry.
AppropriatedCable397@reddit
No. You mis-spelt murderers. The "trump" regime is a murder cult full of christofascists, neonazis, and theocratic authoritarians.
It's not til tok. It's click clack.
United-Vermicelli-92@reddit
Trump is Death, he is a destroyer only. But maga knew that and reveled in it during their covid denial era, died drowning in their phlegm thanking trump for the honor to own the libs w their dying gasp, so I don’t think they’re going to be any help here. They want death.
Rent_Weekly@reddit
Dr Mengele said to trust the science! Now I’m off to get a lobotomy for this darn depression.
Quirky_Chicken_1840@reddit
CVS and Walgreens are offering them to everyone. Minors need parental consent.
SunWooden2681@reddit
This is the way! We may need to pay for it if insurance won’t . But CVS makes lots of money on vaccines and they will accommodate the customer.
hooptysnoops@reddit
I was denied in March (was traveling to FL for a work trip) since I'd had one just over 6 months prior and was told they're only "recommending" them once a year now so I'd have to wait until Fall.
TumbleCoconut@reddit
This happened to me on Sunday.
FIRElady_Momma@reddit
This won't be true soon. They won't be able to with these guidelines that were updated today
keytiri@reddit
Glad I got the most recent covid booster 2 months ago; tigers for mmr is on my todo list as well.
Nofnvalue21@reddit
The most recent booster is not likely to be very effective come fall, unfortunately. However, the virus has become less dangerous, thankfully. 🤷
keytiri@reddit
Eh, I believe something is better than nothing, afaik I’ve not had Covid yet; while the virus itself may not be as acutely dangerous, I’m more concerned with it’s additive immune system effects.
Nofnvalue21@reddit
I'm right there with ya! I'm just trying to give a little info as we go into dark times.
We could definitely see vaccine shortages, vaccines dropped from insurance coverage, no funding for vaccine research (meaning, funding to figure out which flu strains to cover). Scary times ahead!
CVS tried to charge me $146 for an uninsured flu shot (they didn't take my insurance). Obviously, I just declined and went to a place that took my insurance. Point being, there very well could be a future financial strain just to try and protect ourselves seasonally!
Deathpill911@reddit
I had COVID way back, before there was a vaccine. Then everyone was telling me I must get a vaccine. I never did, because normally you don't get vaccine for something you developed immunity for. I've never been sick ever since.
This doesn't mean I'm antivax. I took every other vaccine and so did my children. But I see why trust in the government and doctors was lost. The J&J vaccine did cause bloodclots and it's also why it isn't used anymore in the United States. Reports of side effects and deaths for COVID vaccines were also one of the highest than any other too.
Hogwafflemaker@reddit
I haven't been able to find the shots for my kids the last two years anyway
ThisIsAbuse@reddit
So these are essentially vaccine mandates from the folks that are triggered by the goverment telling people how and when to take vaccines.
RajenBull1@reddit
“Murderous?”
“Moi?”
Wers81@reddit
Sue the MF’ers if someone gets sick.
KoyukiiiHiiime@reddit
I'm thinking the best way to fuck their plans is go into self imposed lockdown like it's 2020. Don't go to work or school or out anywhere in public until flu season is over.
If we all disappear, they won't be able to do anything about it. Take their revenue away by staying home.
Sparklesnow77@reddit
I'm a nurse. I wonder if they'll allow healthcare workers to continue to get these vaccines?? I also worry that this is a slippery slope. What's next, Flu shots?
goodthingsinside_80@reddit
So those of us with family members with advanced cancer just won’t be able to visit them? Ridiculous.
Horrifying_Truths@reddit
It's like death by 1,000 policies. They're trying to kill us I am certain.
royale_wthCheEsE@reddit
So, can an at risk parent , have his children vaccinated to be another level of protection for this parent?
jgiacobbe@reddit
I guess they are consistent in not understanding how vaccines and herd immunity works.
cyanescens_burn@reddit
Or they do and want to reduce the number of people that make it to the age of receiving social security or other gov payments.
edwardphonehands@reddit
"herd" tends to be a trigger word for them
shortzr1@reddit
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if "group" was too, because god forbid we work together on anything to keep people healthy.
edwardphonehands@reddit
Maybe try, "national immunity."
RU-48647@reddit
They understand. It is intentional.
You think they don't have one competent legitimate doctor or medical researcher on their staff?
They want healthy people to be sick and weak all the time and for people with health problems to die.
IT IS PUBLISHED that they want millions of people to die. The heritage foundation docs make it mostly pretty clear, but there are other documents and lots of interviews and videos where they say the evil part out loud.
No-Intention1183@reddit
Right? Let the virus tell you when you need to immunize people? I assume they mean to wait until it mutates and then develop a vaccine months later. I mean, sure, you can do that and remain behind the virus. Much better than staying ahead of it, I guess. /s
Mrbackrubber@reddit
Fuck that. I want my vaccine. This is America.
kite13light13@reddit
They don’t even work.
wwaxwork@reddit
Looks like I'm off to Canada in the fall, I hear it's lovely then.
romanticynic@reddit
“Healthy kids and adults” won’t be healthy for long if you keep denying them vaccines. America is cooked.
Alternative-End-5079@reddit
We are cheaper dead.
nitabirdonit@reddit
Just wanted to drop the FDA comment link here, because I didn't see it. There's a chance to get them to rethink this and make it available to all who want it. Healthy caregivers deserve the option to not kill the family members they protect ffs.
WloveW@reddit
Amazingly stupid. Requiring placebo tests to prove efficacy?
Would you rather have the placebo or have the measles vaccine and then get measles coughed in your face?
How is this passing any ethical guidelines whatsoever? We literally have idiots in charge of the country.
NateHinshaw@reddit
Good thing healthy kids don’t need a Covid vaccine 🤦🏻♂️
i-can-sleep-for-days@reddit
Woah this is not okay with me.
SituationSad4304@reddit
From experience, saying you have asthma (even if you haven’t had a flare in years) works
Fightingkielbasa_13@reddit
Why not?
plaaayer-1@reddit
I'll give the pharmacist and option. You can give me my shot or you can get shot.
CurrencySingle1572@reddit
"We're doing a sequel. We're back by popular demand!" -The muppets
Dontbelievethehype24@reddit
I’m not planning to take any US vaccinations until RFK is out of office. I’m going to get mine in Canada.
Egotraoped@reddit
In the early days of the vaccine there were similar rules. I got around these by going to the clinic on our local Native American reservation. They did not care your age or health condition. Hopefully they will offer it again this fall.
goddessofolympia@reddit
Thank you for this info.
crusoe@reddit
Being overweight raises your risk for severe covid. So most americans qualify ( yay ).
WolfzandRavenz@reddit
The rapid fall of America is baffling
kl2342@reddit
not when you understand it as a decades-long revanchist project spearheaded by religious Christofascist zealots pursuing minority rule at all costs
InappropriateWaving@reddit
Ghouls.
BonerStibbone@reddit
Pandemic 2.0
luncheroo@reddit
I'm fucking getting the Covid and flu vaccines every fall and this deranged Boomer Facebook grandpa administration can kiss my well-vaccinated ass.
dietcokeeee@reddit
Seriously. I got so fucking sick last July and all of February, I told myself I will now get every booster and flu shot going forward. Never want to be that miserable again.
MakeSomeDrinks@reddit
How the hell is this guy gonna eff up twice what SHOULD have been a once in a lifetime kind of demic??
handicamper@reddit
They aren't needed so makes sense
PenImpossible874@reddit
What can we do in response? I know I can call my governor (Hochul) and ask that she ignore that policy, and make them available anyways. Since it's better to break a law than to negligently hurt others.
But what else can we do, besides go to Canada to get the vaccine?
schlongtheta@reddit
They're gonna do this with all the other vaccines too.
Material_Policy6327@reddit
Go figure the anti vaxxers are gonna drag us back to the dark ages
Brave_Question5681@reddit
This is both stupid and unsurprising
Intrepid_Advice4411@reddit
If you want the booster, lie. Just lie. You are immunocompromsied or you care for someone immunocompromised. You don't have to prove anything.
_itsybitsyspider_@reddit
Just how TF do they determine..... Oh nfm... 😡
SandeeBelarus@reddit
To be fair. Most other countries have been doing this same type of eligibility. It’s just the US from my understanding that has been pushing regular vaccines for COVID.
No-Intention1183@reddit
I’m in Canada and have had flu and Covid shots annually for the past 3-4 years. I’m not in a high risk group, just an average person. My doctor highly recommends getting both.
oralprophylaxis@reddit
Which countries? I am from Canada and everyone can get it and it seems to be the same in Europe from what I can see? It’s not being pushed but it’s an option for those who want it
Possible_Implement86@reddit
Can you say more about what you mean by this?
SandeeBelarus@reddit
Sure thing. Allowing regular COVID vaccines to only go to those in high risk. Not healthy people.
unsurewhatiteration@reddit
Which is total nonsense because covid is basically a slightly more deadly influenza. It's dumb as fuck not to treat the vaccination effort for it the same way.
GirlieSquirlie@reddit
most other countries probably have a much more functioning health care system that doesn't put profits over people.
Kind_Fox820@reddit
And paid sick leave.
SenKelly@reddit
So their personal opinions means I don't get to have access to a fucking seasonal vaccine? Bro, I really don't see any incentive for paying taxes in this society. They are taking away everything that I remotely care about my taxes going to, and providing me with stupid, politically motivated prosecutions, invasions to our neighborhoods to steal our neighbors, and military spending for the dipshits who feel empty and desperately want to sign up for his military to get a sense of purpose and a bullet in the head from a foreign adversary?
ctilvolover23@reddit
If you have insurance, you have nothing to be worried about. :)
sweetwallawalla@reddit
Cool! I’m sure my sister in law is going to LOVE having her new baby around me and my germ machine toddlers! 😀 I guess since he’ll already be out of her womb, his life isn’t as important anymore. Fucking morons are going to get (even more) people killed.
ctilvolover23@reddit
I'm pretty sure that your vaccine would be covered through insurance! :) I know that all of mine are. :)
mekat@reddit
I'm so tired of our government being run by conspiracy nut jobs.
ArcturusRoot@reddit
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It looks like OP posted an AMP link. These should load faster, but AMP is controversial because of concerns over privacy and the Open Web.
Maybe check out the canonical page instead: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-vaccines-fda-trials-delay-kids-adults-fall-rcna207718
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