Gaza hospital attack: Analysis contradicts Israel's evidence justifying airstrike
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The__Hivemind_@reddit
Reality contradicts Israel justification for existing. I'm not surprised other stuff contradicts it too. Matter of fact I was quite expecting it. Can't wait for the zionazis to claim that this is somehow ok
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
What does this have to do with Israel existing? The point of Israel existing is that even assimilated Jews were facing antisemtism
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Ok? The romani people face racism too, where is there country? The ENTIRETY of israels existence has been theft and murder. They gotta hand that shit back. They had their shot and fucked it up. Not a single movement in support of Palestine
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
That argument would only work if I was against the Romi having self determination
No it hasn't this is what people who've started following the conflict last year gave been taught. Jews started legally buying land from Palestinians, Arab landlords and the Ottoman empire as early as 1858
Not a single piece of land was taken illegally before 1948 when Egypt and Jordan invaded.
SpinningHead@reddit
"When we stole the homes of 750k people and committed terrorist acts on their villages, we gave them beads. Whats the problem?"
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Over 600k of those 750k were expelled as a direct result of the invasion by Egypt and Jordan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
SpinningHead@reddit
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Yeah they started a war and lost it, how dare the Jews not just roll over and get massacred right?
Tell me who the first casualties were after the UN declaration
applesauce0101@reddit
Since when does losing a war entail the losing side's civillians are free to be expelled on an ethnic basis?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
According to the Iraqi general Ismail Safwat in March 1948, shortly prior to the launching of Plan Dalet:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131109141732if_/http://www.palestine-studies.org/enakba/military/Khalidi,%20Selected%20Docs%20on%201948%20War.pdf
SpinningHead@reddit
\^ This is where they claim the people who stole the homes of 750k people are the real victims. https://www.tantura-film.com/
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Don't start a war and people won't lose homes. You're only upset the Jews didn't get massacred and managed to defend themselves
SpinningHead@reddit
"Those bloodthirsty Apache attacked us when we were just on our way to steal their homes and commit atrocities. "
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Jews legally purchased the land they moved into. American killed about 50 million indigenous as they massacred their way through the Western Plans
There's no comparison
alexandianos@reddit
Purchased from who? Palestinians … or the British? Because in fact, Americans did the same thing, they purchased the land from the UK, Spanish, French, Russia etc. I guess colonialism is OK when you buy the land from the colonial overlord lmfaooo
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Purchased from Palestinians, Arab land lords and the Ottoman empire. The British actively restricted land sales between Jews and Arabs even if both parties agreed to a sale
Zionism is a strictly secular movement it has no religious basis
Jews can't colonize a place they are also indigenous to. They have their own agency, and didn't have a metropole from which they could run the colony. By all definitions Israel fales to be a colony
alexandianos@reddit
Theodore Herzl called zionism a colonial movement. That’s the MF that made it. Who u think ur spreading hasbara to huh
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Therefore North Korea and Congo are Democratic Republics because it's in their name, right?
"Hasbara" meaning your xenophobic and don't like people showing you you're wrong about Israel
Complete lie. Here is an example of land sales by Palestinians in the 1930s
https://web.archive.org/web/20231024150452/https://cdn.mises.org/5_4_2_0.pdf
SpinningHead@reddit
back to "We stole the homes of 750k people and committed atrocities against villagers, but we gave them beads."
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Americans trying not to export their colonial guilt onto an easy to blame minority challenge
No one stole any homes. They tried to murder Jewish immigrants and refugees and lost. Sorry they didn't all die so you could speak for them and assure the rest of us Jews we actually got along really well in the Levant before Zionism
CobraPuts@reddit
I think the Palestinians were victims of the Arab League declaring war on Israel. I don’t think anyone asked or cared if it was really in the best interest of Palestinians to go to war.
In that way I think blame on the Palestinians is somewhat misplaced, but I also don’t point the finger at Israel either.
SpinningHead@reddit
\^ This is where Israel uses Jews around the world as human shields for their ongoing genocide. Remember them.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
I'm a Jew. Trying to remove my agency by claiming I can only hold this position because Israel paid me to is ALSO textbook Jew hatred
SpinningHead@reddit
Oh I didnt know you were getting paid. Thanks for informing everyone.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Greatest American reading comprehension
Ropetrick6@reddit
Jews only owned about 7 percent of the land. The partition gave them 55 percent of the lands. I don't know about you, but 55 seems a tad bit bigger than 7.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
And Palestinians owned about 11% of the land. The rest was Public and State owned land
Ropetrick6@reddit
And correct me if I'm wrong, isn't 11 more than 7?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
You were trying to make them owning 7% of the land seem like the other 93% was owned by Palestinians
When really they owned almost equal amounts of land
Ropetrick6@reddit
And what percentage of the population was Jewish, compared to the Palestinian population?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Why does the population matter? The UN decided upon a partition because the locals had spend the previous 47 years murdering Jewish immigrants
The area that was to become the Jewish state would have been about 60% Jewish and 40% Arab and the Arab State would have been 98% Arab and 2% Jewish
Ropetrick6@reddit
And that justifies the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Israelis... how exactly?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Jews didn't start the war, shouldn't the question be why did Jordan and Egypt launch a war with the declared intentions of commiting a genocide? 90% of the people displaced by the Nakba happened after Jordan had already depopulated Jerusalem
https://www.meforum.org/middle-east-quarterly/azzam-genocide-threat
Ropetrick6@reddit
They actually did start it, with the murder of the Shubaki family.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
And before that family there was the 1936 riots. Before that the Hebron Massacre in 1929. Before that the 1929 Palestine riots. Before that the 1921 Jaffa riots. Before that the 1920 Nebi Musa riots. Before that the 1917 Gaza riots
Notice a pattern here? Your ONLY issue is when Jews shoot back
Ropetrick6@reddit
How is murderingi nnocent civilian who have done nothing to them "shooting back"?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
You were worried about "who started it" until you find out Jews spent 4 decades getting murdered
How was shooting Jews at a bus stop who had nothing to do with the UN going to stop the partition? You clutch your pearls because Jews refused to keep getting murdered, but you will die in a hill saying the Jews actually started it
Ropetrick6@reddit
I don't think the innocent civilians the israelis murdered started it, just saying.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
But the Jews sitting at the bus stop did start it? The Jews in Hebron started it? The Nebi Musa massacre, also their fault? Notice how you keep saying the Jews started it when I can just keep going back further and listing massacres that the Jews couldn't have started? Its almost like you're more interested in defending your political football team instead of accepting history for what it was
Ropetrick6@reddit
Where did I say that the civilians started it?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1kr8cwx/comment/mtcwnmc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
That was your response to Jewish civilians getting murdered at a bus stop as the very first casualties after the UN resolution for a partition
Ropetrick6@reddit
I said that the Israeli terrorist group that was later incorporated into the IDF was the ones who did started it. Where, exactly, did I blame the civilians for that?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
No you didn't. We can scroll up and see what was said
I said
You said
That's despite me listing 4 decades of pogroms and massacres directed at Jews proving that no, they didn't start it, no matter how you try to lie and twist your way out of it. There is no legitimate way to say Jews started the war. At all.
You literally said the Jews murdered at a bus stop, who I asked how they started it, were the ones who started it
Ropetrick6@reddit
You're literally trying to defend the murder of civilians. That is what you've spent this entire threat trying to do.
Rather telling that this is the kind of people you support https://www.reddit.com/r/Global_News_Hub/comments/1krbiha/every_child_every_baby_in_gaza_is_an_enemy_the/
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
You're just making shit up because you're getting frustrated that I'm pointing out what a rascist you are. I don't think you even realized your issues only started when Jews were fighting back against getting murdered. You need to feign ignorance so you can link something completely irrelevant to our conversation to try and derail it.
Sorry bud, your attempt to blame the Jews for "starting it" fell apart like a cheap suit. Your entire rhetoric is based on lies and half truths that was dismantled by someone who actually knew the course of the events instead of parroting moronic social media history
icatsouki@reddit
So neither the population matters nor who owned the land? But they still get 55% of the land and palestinians were supposed to be happy about it?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Yes that massive empty desert the Jews got was so so much better than the extremely fertile Judean Hills
Clearly the answer to this unequal distribution decided upon by the UN is to invade and try to genocide the Jews. It was there fault the UN made a decision they didn't like after all
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
How can you start a war with something that doesn't exist?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Yes those Jews that were around there definitely didn't exist because the country hadn't been founded yet
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
The invasions were a direct result of the initial expulsions. 100k is still massive.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
The invasion happened before any expulsions happened, why do you people keep lying? The first Jordinian and Egyptian troops arrived in Jan 1st. 24 hours after the UN resolution
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Jerusalem
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war
Orange_penguin02@reddit
I'm sure the massacred Palestinian villages weren't a factor. The Israeli military at the time thought it was since it was a part of their military strategy.
applesauce0101@reddit
The Deir Yassin massacre and several other massacres against Palestinians for the sake of stealing their land occured well before the 1948 war.
In the 1970s Morocco, Yemen, Libya, Sudan, Iraq and Egypt all issued formal invitations for Arab Jews to return home and reclaim their land. When has Israel done the same for Palestinians?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
You literally were too lazy to Google when it happened?
"The Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
Jews in those countries didn't declare war on their hosts and try to commit genocide against them because they were in a position of power
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Israel didn't exist in 1858...i don't care what Jews did so long ago
flaamed@reddit
and Palestine has never existed. What’s your point
The__Hivemind_@reddit
What a stupid thing to say out loud
flaamed@reddit
history isnt stupid
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Palestine really has existed for quite some time.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Convenient you don't care about Jews getting murdered for 100 years straight but clutch your pearls when they defended themselves against a genocidal invasion
The__Hivemind_@reddit
There it is. You were trying to play the whole "Hurr! Israel is bad, but it also has a right to exist! Two state solution". Which is the genocidal invasion?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Israel does have a right to exist, do you think it doesn't?
https://users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/yabber/yabber_azzam.html
— Mustafa Amin, Arab countries prepare for war, Akhbar al-Yom, October 11, 1947
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Israel doesn't have a right to exist. Wow! Who would have thought that slaughtering people for so long makes them hate you?
PhoenixKingMalekith@reddit
The romani, unfortunatly do not have a homeland, be it cultural or religious, and their nomadic lifestyle makes them both unable and unwilling to have a state
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Unlike the Jews who were a single entity
PhoenixKingMalekith@reddit
All jews look toward the land of zion and Jerusalem
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Idgaf. They better hand that shit back. They had their shot and fucked it up. The romani deserve a nation way more
PhoenixKingMalekith@reddit
Should greek hand over their land to Turks ?
After all, they commited ethnic cleansing against them and used to be ruled by them
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Ethnic cleansing? You mean the population exchange? That was a both way thing dude and it was agreed.
jakethepeg1989@reddit
So like a consensual version of the Arab states chucking out over 1,000,000 Jews in 1948?
The__Hivemind_@reddit
What?
AFuckingDuck_69@reddit
And Jews do? Genuinely. There were Jews living in the area of Palestine before, during and after ww2 - even before Israel was creation. I still struggle to see the logic behind it other than it being an excuse for Zionists to cause the rapture (something on those lines). The Jews that arrived in Palestine to form Israel were European. Even if they traced their roots several generations to that land, it never gave them the right for it. With that logic Native Americans can claim all the US land as their own and by the standards that created Israel should have the land handed to them with no conflict. In fact, by those standards, Natives have a stronger claim to US soil because it only happened a few hundred years ago, as opposed to thousands of years for the Jews.
Idk man it’s just wierd af. I really think the whole creation of Israel was not in Jewish best interests. Zionists were the real winners here.
PhoenixKingMalekith@reddit
Jews always saw Jerusalem and Zion as their homeland. It was helped by the fact that goys always reminded them that they were foreigners when they tried to integrate.
And yeah I think native american should be given their own state(s) in the Union.
Israel existance insures that the next time some country tries to exterminate its jews, there will be one country willing to take them in, among those that close their borders
AFuckingDuck_69@reddit
I mean in its premise its a respectable idea. But logically it makes no sense. the genocide going on currently shows why. it gives too much preferential treatment to one party (Israel), and places responsibility on those that actually created Israel (the west) - who wouldn't have had that direct responsibility had Israel been created by a conflict within Palestine. It wasn't like Israel was born from a civil war within Palestine. it was structured by outside forces. So when Israel acts like a genocidal state, western powers are less likely inclined to act since they are very much responsible for Israels actions, and to admit a genocide is going on is to admit failure.
To be clear as possible, Im not disparaging the concept all together, I just think the way it was done was very... unstable.
Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit
The Romani originate from the Sindh region of the Indian subcontinent.
Do you really think the whole western world would stand in support if the Romani population decided to invade Sindh and ethnically cleansed the current population on the basis that it’s their ancestral land?
I doubt it, given the Zionist colonizers were white Europeans whilst Romani are brown.
PhoenixKingMalekith@reddit
They originate from there, but is it their homeland according go them ?
I dunno, and romani are not more "brown" than half of Europe
Those it doesnt matter this most israeli are "brown" anyway
TrippleTonyHawk@reddit
There's no justification for any country to treat certain people as second-class based on their ethnic or religious heritage, let alone drive indigenous people out of their homes for the new society that's taken over. Israel isn't the only place to do so, but unlike places like America and Australia, they're still in the process, and it should be stopped. Multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, cosmopolitan societies are the only thing that I want my country to support, instead we endure this endless horror show of unjustifiable bloodshed because the country was founded on myopic principles on top of a people that never voted for it.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Palestinians aren't second class citizens, they serve at every level of public life in Israel.
Palestinian supreme court judge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Kabub
Palestinian representatives in the parliament
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_List
TrippleTonyHawk@reddit
What you're showing is tokenism, not equal rights lol. Nice try
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Show me the token Jews in Palestine. How about in Jordan? Egypt? Syria? Lebanon? ANY token Jews? Or is that a pathetic cop out because you didn't know Palestinians could serve as supreme court justices or run for government?
Surely Jews can run for government in their neighbors countries?
TrippleTonyHawk@reddit
All due respect, I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make with this, it doesn't remotely address what I said in my first reply. Does Israel have policies to ensure a jewish demographic majority or not? Are there different freedoms for people based on their heritage or not? You're on the talking points from 2023. My government is backing a plan to remove everyone from Gaza to send them to Jordan. What the hell are you even trying to argue at this point?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Calling Arab Israelis "tokens" because you didn't know they could serve at every level of Israeli government is disgusting for one. And second, if they are just tokens surely their neighbors have token Jews in positions of power, right?
There are not. Hence why you needed to dismiss Palestinians in government and Palestinians on the supreme court as tokens. Jews can't serve in the Palestinian supreme court. They can't even serve in government unless they convert to Islam
That all your rehearsed rhetorical devices don't actually apply
TrippleTonyHawk@reddit
I'm saying you're using Arab Israelis as tokens while overlooking the segregation, ethnic supremacist selective citizenship, and mass displacement of an entire people. Do you support the mass displacement of remaining Gazans to Jordan? Please clarify. Your position. When that's in the works, how are we gonna talk about minorities in elected positions? It's like saying America doesn't have an issue with racism because there are black people in congresss.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Still waiting for a single token Jew in any of the neighboring countries
Ireland, Finland and Japan all have the exact same citizenship laws. Case in point this is about Jews and not about specific things Israel does
Gazans to Jordan? Not only do I not support that, that's not what Trump was proposing. They were suggesting Lybia and Egypt. Jordan is on the wrong side of the Israel for Gazans to go there. They would literally have to go through Israel to reach Jordan
Because your inability to understand the difference between Arab-Israelis ( Palestinians with Israeli citizenship) and Gazans or West Bank Palestinians has confused you into conflating all Palestinians as the same group with all the same problems
No, saying Israel is apartheid implies there is a LEGALLY ENFORCED separation of people based on their race. You're intentionally being disinguous by comparing rascism to legally enforced separation (something America had and Israel didn't)
TrippleTonyHawk@reddit
Ridiculous to compare Ireland's citizenship laws to Israel (let alone any of these countries, whose ethnic majorities are all historically indigienous to the region they live). I'm Irish American and I absolutely can not get citizenship to move back, it would be a years-long process and I still wouldn't get it because I need a much stronger resume of skills, they are in a housing crisis and I can assure you they don't let people of Irish heritage take the homes from people of different ancestry. My Jewish wife could move to Israel whenever she wants, there's no issue with finding housing when she can just take someone else's in the West Bank if she wanted to (she doesn't, she's a decent person). They have different licenses for Arabs, different places that only Israelies are able to travel, different rights over what land they are able to own. Most Palestinians aren't even afforded citizenship to a nationality. I mean it's right there in the Israeli constitution that it is the nation state of the Jewish people, the idea that there is ethnic wequality there is just completely absurd.
The proposal is to displace gazans to Jordan and Egypt, but you're missing the forest for the trees if you're focussing on where they'll be moved to. Do you support the displacement of Gazans from Gaza? Again, please clarify.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
No it's not they literally have the exact same right of return that Israel has for Jews. Your not knowing that doesn't make it ridiculous it makes you uniformed
Yes, you literally can. Irish Americans have birthright citizenship in Ireland if they want to claim it
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving-country/irish-citizenship/irish-citizenship-through-birth-or-descent/
Some random Americans who have never been to Ireland have every right to claim citizenship because of their ethnic heritage
Want to know how I know your lying? The end of that sentence. Housing is a massive issue in Israel specifically because there aren't enough homes for everyone which makes them unaffordable. I know because I've gotten prepared for Aliyah when the worst happens
Israel as an uncodified constitution. The nation-state law is literally copied from the Finnish constitution saying Finland is a land of the Finnish people. Again, only an issue when Jews to do and never when others do it
No, Jordan is only taking in injured Gazans for healthcare. The proposal was for Lybia and Egypt
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-gaza-israel-starmer-b2752966.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-willing-to-temporarily-relocate-half-a-million-gazans-to-sinai-report/
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg5v2rjp84ro
TrippleTonyHawk@reddit
That notably is not the immigration law that Israel has, there's no ancestral citizenship requirement, if you are jewish you can move there, which is quite the difference. And because my grandparents were born in America (even though four of their parents were born in Ireland), no, I can not become an Irish citizen. And there is no housing for me regardless. But I could become Israeli, as one of my grandfathers is Jewish which keeps me comfortably within three generations. Doesn't even matter that he was from Russia. You kinda swept over the whole stealing homes in the West Bank with protection of the IDF thing btw. Hilarious that you accuse me of lying when you make such absurd distortions of these immigration policies.
Distinction without a difference.
You didn't, actually. Are you okay with the displacement of Gazans from Gaza? Just yes or no.
TrippleTonyHawk@reddit
That notably is not the immigration law that Israel has, there's no ancestral citizenship requirement, if you are jewish you can move there, which is quite the difference. And because my grandparents were born in America (even though four of their parents were born in Ireland), no, I can not become an Irish citizen. And there is no housing for me regardless. But I could become Israeli, as one of my grandfathers is Jewish which keeps me comfortably within three generations. You kinda swept over the whole stealing homes in the West Bank with protection of the IDF thing btw. Hilarious that you accuse me of lying when you make such absurd distortions of these immigration policies.
Distinction without a difference.
You didn't, actually. Are you okay with the displacement of Gazans from Gaza? Just yes or no.
alexandianos@reddit
TIL Palestinians under Israeli occupation in the west bank have citizenship
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Where did I say West Bank Palestinians had citizenship?
alexandianos@reddit
You said Palestinians aren’t second class citizens. In fairness, you have a point, most of them aren’t citizens at all.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Apartheid implies a legal separation of citizens based on their race. There is no legal separation of citizens in Israel. West Bank and Gaza citizens have a path to citizenship if they so choose but obviously not many want it
alexandianos@reddit
Apparently Jewish only streets don’t exist, neither does the apartheid wall, these definitely non-segregated non-occupied Palestinians are apparently “citizens” (of what?) with an available pathway to citizenship (how?)
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
I know you've been programmed to link these things with those talking points, but did you ever bother to read them?
That doesn't say Jewish only streets, it says streets for ISRAELIS and streets for Palestinians. This is why people get confused because they have no idea there are at least 4 distinct groups of Palestinians who all face very different issues. Arab-Israelis (Palestinians) can walk down those streets all they want
A wall separating two countries is normally called a border, but only Israel get picked out for having a border wall. I notice you didn't mention that after the wall went up the number of suicide attacks fell by 90% within Israel
https://web.archive.org/web/20081120203241/http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/dion_nissenbaum/story/15469.html
People taking issues with Jews defending themselves? I'm shocked — SHOCKED I say
alexandianos@reddit
It is antisemetic to call my apartheid wall an apartheid wall! Lol you’re so funny
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
"Apartheid wall" between two different counties that's dropped suicide attacks from dozens per year to less than 1 per year
How dare the Jews do something to prevent buses and restaurants from being blown up
alexandianos@reddit
Sir, Palestine isn’t a country, it is an occupied state that is denied nationhood by its occupier.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
The PA has authority over West Bank and it's citizens get Palestinian Authority passports
I notice you have nothing to say about the wall stopping dozens of terror attacks per year? Almost as though Israelis dying was never as issue for you and only them fighting back was an issue
alexandianos@reddit
That doesn’t make it a country. In fact, the PA has sent in over 133 motions to the UN calling for sovereignty. Do you know how many times those were vetoed by the American/Israeli coalition?
Additionally, I know you don’t give a shit about international law, but when under occupation you are legally entitled to any avenue possible to resist it (Resolution 2625). Algeria, Morocco, South Africa all legally fought bloody wars to attain their independence. The fact is that Israel is responsible for any violence done against them, vis-a-vis their occupation of Palestinians.
Please stop crying about anti-semitism when people call the apartheid walls and apartheid streets as apartheid walls and apartheid streets, you only serve to de-legitimize that word. Like are you implying Jews have an inherent right to oppress and subjugate?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
All the times it refused to recognize Israel or it's territory
No one does. International law would have set up Israel with less land than the 67 borders but trying to commit genocide on the Jews was far far more important. EVERY single resolution involving Israel since the rejection of that proposal is useless. If the UN creating Israel wasn't legitimate than the UN passing resolutions against Israel aren't either
Including before Israel was even a country? 1917 Gaza riots? 1920 Nebi Musa Masacre? 1929 Hebron Massacre? By "Israel" did you mean Jews? Because you have a massive issue with them fighting back before Israel was founded as well. In fact Jews fighting back at all has been painted as aggression by you
Your hating Jews is pretty relevant to why you would lie about apartheid. Arab-Israelis can walk down those streets just fine, but you know that and just lie by equating them to Palestinians who aren't citizens. Dishonesty is all you people have, if you couldn't lie about Israel by shifting back and forth between Gazans, West Bankers and Arab-Israelis by calling them all by one name
Ala117@reddit
Yes they are, lie somewhere else.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Even anti-Isrsel NGOs are forced to admit Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis have the exact same legal rights
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel
Ala117@reddit
Again, lie somewhere else.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Your random ass reddit link doesn't outweigh a anti-Israel NGO being forced to admit they have the same legal rights.
Keep coping by lying about Israel. Its the only way you xenophobic POS's can justify your position
Ala117@reddit
Prove your lie about your favourite terrorist apartheid state wrong
Keep coping by lying about Israel. Its the only way you xenophobic POS's can justify your position
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
Summary:
- Israel bomb a hospital, killing tens of people, claiming there are Hamas tunnels below it.
- They release a video as proof, showing damage to "terrorist infrastructure".
- It turns out the building in the video is not the hospital they bombed, but a completely separate building.
- On top of that, there appears to be no damage to the "Hamas tunnels".
- On top of that, the "Hamas tunnels" are actually a drainage system.
gerkletoss@reddit
Why did Al-Hadath report that Mohammed Sinwar's body was pulled from the tunnels?
Stubbs94@reddit
They reported using evidence from the IDF... Not actual evidence.
860v2@reddit
Highly ironic comment coming from the dude who parrots Hamas’ casualty counts without question.
destroyerx12772@reddit
They death toll is likely severely underreported, as is the case with any other indiscriminate bombing campaign. Shame on you trying to deny their suffering. You are no different from those who question the numbers from the Holocaust.
860v2@reddit
That’s great but just on the basis of the Gaza Health Ministry not differentiating between civilians and militants, you’re wrong.
Speaking of the Holocaust, that’s what an actual genocide looks like. You should try educating yourself on it.
destroyerx12772@reddit
You know what also doesn't discriminate between civilians and militants? 2000lb bombs in densely populated areas.
860v2@reddit
Sounds like a great argument against the usage of human shields. You can go talk to Hamas about that.
destroyerx12772@reddit
Do you realize how unhinged that statement sounds?
860v2@reddit
Maybe to you, but to the rest of us it’s just reality.
It’s why the usage of human shields is illegal.
destroyerx12772@reddit
What reality lmao. That's the cheapest excuse to indiscriminately bomb densely populated neighborhoods I've ever seen. Even if a Hamas militant held a baby as a literal shield that doesn't justify you killing anyone but the militant. Y'all aren't even trying anymore.
860v2@reddit
You don’t know what “indiscriminate” means.
October 7th was indiscriminate. Fighting the people who committed October 7th isn’t.
destroyerx12772@reddit
October 7 was indiscriminate, and the bombing campaign that flattened half of Gaza following it is indiscriminate we well.
860v2@reddit
If it was indiscriminate, there’d be way more than 50,000 dead.
destroyerx12772@reddit
It doesn't have to be carpet bombing to be considered indiscriminate. More that 70% of all buildings have been either destroyed or rendered obsolete. Comparing Gaza to Nazi fucking Germany is hilarious given that its your lovely country who is raining hell on innocent civilians now.
tek13096@reddit
Oh wow, bring up actions from WWII to justify killing innocent people. Such a surprise from the zionist propaganda machine
chdjfnd@reddit
International Humanitarian Law allows for collateral damage. So yes civilian deaths can be justified if the law is followed
destroyerx12772@reddit
What's the acceptable rate of children killed per 1 (maybe) Hamas militant in your opinion? So far the numbers aren't looking too optimistic.
ImAjustin@reddit
Anytime they come at you with the Holocaust stuff just remember this stat. More people died in just 72 hours in Auschwitz alone than the entirely of the Hamas health ministry numbers including militants since the start of the war.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/01/02/holocaust-death-camps-15-000-murdered-per-day-august-october-1942/2463662002/
860v2@reddit
The thing is that they don’t bring up the Holocaust because they believe it’s an apt comparison, they do it to try to get under the skin of Jewish people.
They don’t care about stats, numbers, historic, etc.
ImAjustin@reddit
That’s very true.
destroyerx12772@reddit
Why does it matter? Srebrenica had less than 5 percent the death toll of Gaza. Not every crime against humanity has to involve gas chambers for it to be horrible.
ImAjustin@reddit
I’m just saying the comparison is an accurate one. Which it is if people actually studied the Holocaust.
destroyerx12772@reddit
Wait what
Are you denying my point or affirming it :[
Excuse me I just woke up
ImAjustin@reddit
It’s not just numbers though, although a big one. There’s other aspects that make it a bad comparison.
No_Macaroon_9752@reddit
The Gaza Health Ministry’s numbers have historically been accurate, such that the US, aid organizations, and Israel have consistently used their numbers in past conflicts. They also usually list the Israeli-assigned ID numbers of the dead, which would eventually be difficult to falsify (especially if any of those listed ever wanted to leave Gaza, go through a checkpoint, or were ever questioned by the IDF). Of course, Israel has been targeting critical infrastructure, including hospitals, which makes it more and more difficult to maintain accurate numbers. More recently, analyses published in peer-reviewed journals have said the death toll is likely an underestimate.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2024/10/13/why-the-gaza-health-ministry-s-death-count-is-considered-reliable_6729264_8.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/25/world/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-israel-war.html
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx25x35476yo
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02640-5/fulltext
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)02678-3/fulltext
https://web.archive.org/web/20240410184103/https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-officials-15000-likely-killed-in-gaza-since-start-of-war-5000-of-them-are-hamas/
860v2@reddit
Just on the basis on them not differentiating between civilians and militants, you’re wrong.
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IAMADon@reddit
Highly ironic comment considering the number of "Hamas terrorists" Israel has claimed to have killed has consistently been the number of males over 15 years old reported dead by Gaza's Health Ministry.
860v2@reddit
You don’t know what “ironic” means.
So how many Hamas militants have been killed?
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
Probably not that many tbh.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-849430
They've bombed every hospital, school, and refugee camp yet Hamas tunnels remain almost intact. How strange.
860v2@reddit
Ok, so you have no idea. This discredits anything you have to say on the number of dead.
Sounds like it was a bad idea to commit the October 7th terrorist attack.
gerkletoss@reddit
That's not what the article says. 8n fact at the same time the IDF was saying it couldn't confirm anything.
Did you just make that up?
Stubbs94@reddit
Why would you comment something that proves my point?
860v2@reddit
Sounds like cope. That does not prove your point.
jadsf5@reddit
So the Israeli's don't actually know if he was killed, they're just saying so?
We also now know that their evidence was made up bullshit, so who's really coping?
Israelis continue to cope after killing civilians and being called nazis.
860v2@reddit
You’re definitely coping. The side you support has done nothing but lose at everything they’ve tried.
All evidence points towards Sinwar being dead. All you’ve done is say “nuh uh” and “doesn’t count”. Nice try, though.
jadsf5@reddit
The evidence that the Israelis themselves have confirmed they don't have?
860v2@reddit
Sounds like cope. Again, you’ve provided zero evidence did anything. You just think he’s alive because you want him to be alive.
jadsf5@reddit
My quote was from the article linked about trying to say Sinwar is dead, so no, by Israeli intelligence they still can't confirm if he was even there, let alone if he was killed.
Continue to cope and seethe.
860v2@reddit
Sounds like more cope. All evidence points towards Sinwar being dead.
Time to accept it and move on. Crying about it doesn’t change anything.
gerkletoss@reddit
Sorry, I thought you could read the second sentence.
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IdiAmini@reddit
Any reputable sources? No? Who would have guessed
waiver@reddit
"All indications" doesn't sound like they pulled a body.
Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit
Their sources are 3 Israeli officials.
Also who trusts Alarabiya and Alhadath!! They are the most obvious Saudi propaganda channels.
860v2@reddit
Highly ironic comment coming from the person who takes Hamas’ casualty counts as fact.
gerkletoss@reddit
Stop spamming me. You clearly have no intention of saying how you know anything.
Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit
Their sources are 3 Israeli officials.
Also who trusts Alarabiya and Alhadath!! They are the most obvious Saudi propaganda channels.
gerkletoss@reddit
Source?
zZCycoZz@reddit
Your own article....
Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit
Didn't you read the article?😂
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
As is proven by this article.
kennykerosene@reddit
This seems like the important point. All yhis stuff about the tunnel entrances seems like obfuscation. Israel was trying to kill Sinwar. They got him under the hospital. Case closed.
IdiAmini@reddit
Any reputable sources? No? Who would have guessed
kitti-kin@reddit
This is literally the Bill Burr bit about, "but the terrorist is holding a baby! You have to shoot the baby to get to him!"
flaamed@reddit
Hamas admitted there was a tunnel underneath afterwards
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Was the tunnel a basement? Was it a command and control centre?
flaamed@reddit
Not sure, all Hamas said was it “a tunnel network that was destroyed in 2014 that was rebuilt by the Qassam Brigades”
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Source?
flaamed@reddit
Aawsat news on Twitter
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Twitter is your reputable source? Use xcancel like everyone else…
flaamed@reddit
No, Hamas is my source as I said
https://xcancel.com/aawsat_news/status/1922802861244633161?s=46&t=N5vzeAgLzkzViGJmHm1lRw
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Factional sources? Which faction of which organisation?
flaamed@reddit
Which faction do you think is talking to Arab networks more
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
So you don’t know?
flaamed@reddit
You guys can never admit to being wrong 😂
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
You guys have never hit any evidence, just vague “IDF says” and Xitter reports.
flaamed@reddit
Israel and Hamas both agree there were tunnels there, and it’s still not enough for you lmao
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
So the “faction”’was definitely Hamas? But the reporter didn’t want to say?
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russiankek@reddit
Summary:
FlavorJ@reddit
And they claim it's a school which is 200 km from the hospital
russiankek@reddit
U wat
FlavorJ@reddit
The school they say is next to the hospital in Gaza is actually a school in the West Bank. There are schools very close to the hospital, according to Google Maps at least, but they are not in the same complex as the hospital, and the names of those schools are nothing close to what Sky News says it is.
russiankek@reddit
U wat? It was geolocated by osinters to be next to the hospital in Gaza.
FlavorJ@reddit
That's fine, but SkyNews said it's the Jenin school, which appears to be in the West Bank, unless there's a Jenin school in Gaza, which isn't coming up on any search for me 🤷
russiankek@reddit
Take a look here: x(dot)com/NemoAnno/status/1922540848283058252
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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
You didn't read the article at all. Israel tried to justify the strike by showing damage to "terrorist infrastructure", but showed a completely different building to the one that was hit. And the "terrorist infrastructure" they did show turned out to be a drainage system.
russiankek@reddit
"completely different building" literally 200 meters from the hospital territory... And it wasn't the only strike in this day in the area.
Yeah, I get it. AKSHUALLY it's not a hospital.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
It was a completely different building, even if it was nearby.
Yeah but the building Israel claimed to have hit showed no signs of damage.
GayFurryHacker@reddit
Not saying you're wrong, but that's just one interpretation. One could consider that tunnels do typically start in different places and only the parts not under a building can be seen. We don't know if there's any damage. Just because there's signs of water drainage into the tunnels does not mean that they are solely water drains, they could easily also be used to hide in or be used for transport.
zZCycoZz@reddit
Lots of hypotheticals with no evidence used to justify bombing a hospital, zionists are psychopaths.
GayFurryHacker@reddit
Either way it's hypotheticals. We don't know. It truly could be Israel bombing hospitals just for the hell of it. But we don't know. Spinning the 'evidence' to support the unjustified bombing narrative is just as bad as spinning it the other way.
zZCycoZz@reddit
The evidence shows that they lied.
GayFurryHacker@reddit
No it doesn't. Thats the point. Just because you want something to be a certain way, doesn't mean it is. You need to look at the evidence objectively.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
They objectively lied. First they claimed a completely separate building was the hospital they struck, and then they claimed the drainage system of that building was a Hamas tunnel.
GayFurryHacker@reddit
Israel claimed that tunnels were Hamas tunnels. Someone pointed out that there was signs of drainage going into the tunnels which doesn't preclude them being Hamas tunnels at all. Israel showed pictures of what they say/believe is evidence of tunnels leading to under the hospital. Think about it - tunnels going under a hospital would not typically only be under the hospital they would come from elsewhere. That's the point of a tunnel.
I don't know what's true or not, it could certainly all be lies from Israel. But this article, even with its anti-Israel slant does not make a good case against Israel unless you already want to believe it and are incapable of critical thought.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
You people really need to read the damn article before commenting.
No, an expert pointed out that what Israel claimed was "exposed underground infrastructure" was actually a drainage system.
"An expert told Sky News that the dark shapes appear to be markings caused by water, rather than exposed underground infrastructure such as tunnels.
"That does look quite obviously to be a drainage ditch with dendritic flow patterns of water heading into the ditch," said Corey Scher, an expert in the use of satellite imagery to assess military and environmental damage at Oregon State University.
"The same drainage patterns are readily visible in [earlier] imagery. These appear to be ditches draining water.""
No. Read the article, look at the images. Israel initially claimed that the building in the video they posted was the hospital. They then changed their story when confronted by Sky News.
"A spokesperson for the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) confirmed to Sky News that the footage shows an area outside the hospital grounds.
The spokesperson said that the "underground infrastructure" continued under the hospital, but did not provide any evidence of this.
The spokesperson also did not address the analysis that the video shows markings caused by water, rather than underground infrastructure."
Yes, but the IDF provided absolutely no evidence of this. If you can provide evidence of the tunnel under a different building, why can't you provide evidence for the building you actually targeted? Why did you have to lie and pretend you actually struck a different building and show fake images of "damage to terrorist infrastructure"?
It literal points out blatant lies posted by Israel, so much so that Israel themselves had to adjust their story.
GayFurryHacker@reddit
Believe what you want. When news sources quote 'experts' they often mischaracterize, or misinterpret or dummy down the info. Or twist it to fit their narrative. Once again, having dedritic flow markings just means there are signs that water flowed into it, which is likely what you'd see for any tunnels, whether used by Hamas or not.
The tunnels would not surface in a visible place on the hospital grounds, would they? So the evidence of them is where they do surface.
But whatever. You clearly want to believe your story. And you might even be right.
zZCycoZz@reddit
You are not looking at the evidence objectively.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
"However, there is no obvious damage visible in the video, and an eyewitness told Sky News that there had been no damage to the school's courtyard."
"An expert told Sky News that the dark shapes appear to be markings caused by water, rather than exposed underground infrastructure such as tunnels.
"That does look quite obviously to be a drainage ditch with dendritic flow patterns of water heading into the ditch," said Corey Scher, an expert in the use of satellite imagery to assess military and environmental damage at Oregon State University.
"The same drainage patterns are readily visible in [earlier] imagery. These appear to be ditches draining water.""
GayFurryHacker@reddit
Quoting isn't the same as critical thinking. Do you have a point?
eternalmortal@reddit
The claim from the IDF is that they were targeting Mohammed Sinwar, the current military leader of Hamas in Gaza, who they claim was hiding with other Hamas leadership underneath the hospital.
A lot of the claims and analyses are still too fresh to be definitive. If independent news comes out and confirms that Sinwar/other Hamas leadership were killed in this strike, are you willing to come back to this post and say you were wrong on this?
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
It's not me saying it, it's Sky News.
eternalmortal@reddit
So are you willing to come back and say Sky News was wrong to publish this analysis if it turns out that Sinwar was killed in this strike? You're the one posting it here, so you must find their analysis to be legitimate.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
No, because the analysis is still correct, regardless of whether or not someone was killed in a strike.
eternalmortal@reddit
The claim from Sky is that there is no Hamas control center where Israel's missiles hit. Sinwar is the current military leader of Hamas. If he was killed in the strike, would that evidence be enough for you to conclude there was a Hamas control center there? Why would Mohammed Sinwar just be hanging out in a drainage ditch just outside a hospital otherwise?
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
That is not their claim, they are just scrutinizing evidence provided by Israel.
eternalmortal@reddit
Sky is looking at the pictures and video provided scrutinizing the possibility of a Hamas base underground there. If Sinwar was killed in the missile strike, it is a foregone conclusion that he was hiding within a Hamas base, since he is currently the military leader of Hamas.
Would Sinwar's death from the strike be enough to convince you of the existence of such a base?
Idrialite@reddit
Sky is debunking the evidence Israel provided. The evidence is bad regardless of whether Israel's claim is true or not.
eternalmortal@reddit
Other analysis notwithstanding, if Sinwar was killed in the strike there was likely a Hamas base there as Israel claims. Meaning Sky's analysis is moot.
As an aside, there are currently reports that Hamas has informed Sinwar's family that he died in the strike, according to Saudi paper Asharq Al-Awsat.
Idrialite@reddit
I agree with you. But Sky News was still, and would still not be wrong to publish this.
eternalmortal@reddit
But if Sinwar is dead, and there was really a Hamas base there, Sky definitely has some egg on its face.
Idrialite@reddit
No... not at all... AGAIN, Sky did NOT claim that there wasn't a Hamas base there. They ONLY demonstrated that Israel's evidence was bad.
eternalmortal@reddit
I feel like we're talking past each other here.
The next logical step to claiming the evidence was bad is to conclude that the claim itself is false - the subtext here is that Sky is casting doubt on whether there was a Hamas base there at all, which would mean the Israeli strike was unjustified. If Sinwar and other Hamas leaders were killed in the strike, the next logical step would be to conclude that Sky's subtextual claim that there was no base there was wrong.
Idrialite@reddit
I agree with that. The article should be amended to include other relevant evidence: Sinwar's reported death and whatever that other source going around about Hamas reporting that there were tunnels under the hospital is.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
Because that is the evidence that Israel provided.
So why release some bullshit video filled with lies? Also, Israel have targeted Hamas members receiving treatment at hospitals in the past, that could've been the case here.
If there's actual evidence of an underground base then yes. But we've heard that before...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/21/al-shifa-hospital-gaza-hamas-israel/
eternalmortal@reddit
Video notwithstanding, do you agree that if Sinwar was killed in the strike, that would be evidence of the existence of a Hamas base underground at the location? Or would you need additional evidence that Hamas leadership was hiding underneath a hospital, besides the death of a Hamas leader underneath a hospital?
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
No, because again, he could have been receiving treatment at the hospital. It shouldn't be that difficult to prove that there is a massive tunnel underneath a building with the technology that Israel have.
eternalmortal@reddit
But the European hospital itself wasn't struck - Sky themselves say the missiles didn't hit the hospital building directly, but rather a courtyard of an adjacent school. Video of the strike shows relatively little damage to the hospital building itself. So how could a strike at a courtyard outside the hospital, which did not destroy the hospital, kill Sinwar if he was inside the building getting treatment?
How about this - if the news comes out that Sinwar was killed underground would that be enough for you to say that Israel's claims of a base there were legitimate?
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
No they don't, they show CCTV footage of the hospital being struck. The adjacent school gets mentioned because that's what Israel tried to claim they struck, even though there was no visible damage to it. Please actually read the article before commenting.
beansthemajicalfruit@reddit
So you openly admit to sharing trash news? Have you no shame?
AnArabFromLondon@reddit
Sky News UK is not the same as Australia's Sky News.
beansthemajicalfruit@reddit
I clicked on the link and the site is total trash. Not sure what else you think is going on here....
AnArabFromLondon@reddit
Care to elaborate?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sky-news/
beansthemajicalfruit@reddit
Lol
AnArabFromLondon@reddit
Why believe the IDF when it's lied and covered up massacre after massacre?
Level_Hour6480@reddit
You really think Israel would just lie to justify targeting civilians?!
YesAmAThrowaway@reddit
Yes, yes they would
Level_Hour6480@reddit
But that's so out of character for the most moral army in the world!
YesAmAThrowaway@reddit
Literally so unexpected and unprecedented for them, nobody would ever be able to see it coming!!
Ropetrick6@reddit
Inconceivable!
Level_Hour6480@reddit
"It's antisemitic for you to suggest that, just like how I'm a filthy traitor for not supporting my people's homeland!"
HockeyHocki@reddit
So the video the IDF realeased was wrong and but they didn't bomb there anyway so what fking difference
Where they did bomb, i.e. the bunker/tunnel directly infront of the hospital, they obliterated the leader of Hamas. That's the justification
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
Because it once again exposes them as liars, meaning any claims they make should be taken with a grain of salt.
HockeyHocki@reddit
This strike exposed Hamas leaders are hiding in hospitals, to be so lost in the sauce you can ignore that horrific war crime entirely & instead obsess over a shoddy video, that's really something
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
The question is why release a shoddy video if the strike actually did expose Hamas leaders hiding in hospitals?
russiankek@reddit
No, it doesn't expose shit. It only exposes that hamas supporters have no real evidence of Israeli misconduct, other than one video with a barely inaccurate title.
No_Macaroon_9752@reddit
Check out the numerous Forensic Architecture investigations into war crimes.
alexandianos@reddit
No misconduct at all? Really? Not even that video of them chasing and shooting at ambulances, killing everyone in them, then burying the bodies and the ambulances to hide their evidence, and then shooting and killing a 12 year old bystander that saw them burying them?
Ropetrick6@reddit
But Israel ARE the Hamas supporters...
FlavorJ@reddit
Okay but Jenin is in the West Bank. Weird. If the school is adjacent to the hospital, and they are labeling the hospital, is that wrong?
If you look up the hospital, there are nearby schools, but nothing marked in the same complex, and definitely not the Jenin School for Boys which is about 200 km away.
So did they bomb the West Bank or Gaza?
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eldenpotato@reddit
I’ll tell ya, no Hamas propaganda could ever undermine support for Israel as effectively as Israel’s own actions have.
EH1987@reddit
How anyone even considers granting Israel the benefit of the doubt is beyond my comprehension. Is there no limit to the atrocities Israel can commit? What will it take for the world to act? Israel screeches about how unfairly the international community treats them as they commit war crime after war crime with total impunity.
FlavorJ@reddit
Maybe if Sky News could get its story straight, there wouldn't be any room for doubt.
ATNinja@reddit
A completely separate building is the school next door...
So you're focused on it not being a hospital instead of it being a school next door to a hospital.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
Yeah, it's a completely separate building.
Yeah, because Israel blatantly lied. Shouldn't you be focused on that?
ATNinja@reddit
I'll focus on the lying if you focus on hamas using tunnels under schools next door to hospitals. Deal?
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
Except the article clearly states it was a drainage system, and not a "Hamas tunnel".
ATNinja@reddit
Right sinwar was in a drainage system.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
Read the article. Even if it was a Hamas tunnel, it's literally not what Israel bombed, there was no damage to it.
ATNinja@reddit
I read it. It spends more time talking about the escalating violence than the strike.
A guy in Oregon thinks it's drainage not tunnels. Or that tunnels can't go under multiple adjacent buildings. Very compelling.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
"A guy in Oregon" also an expert in the use of satellite imagery to assess military and environmental damage.
ForskinEskimo@reddit
Hey now, cool it witg the antisemitism /s.
lightmaker918@reddit
I'm sorry, but isn't it pretty clear already that Mohammad Sinwar was killed in the underground tunnel under the European hospital, why is missing from the article? If it's indeed strikes around the same date this is some pretty bad journalism.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
Then why would Israel share such a video? If you have the truth on your side, why lie?
lightmaker918@reddit
That's deflection, whatever Israel posted, the literal head of Hamas has been killed in that strike, so it seems to have been proportional, and the entire point is missing from this article.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Source?
lightmaker918@reddit
Another source from today - https://www.ynetnews.com/article/z65h0t097
lightmaker918@reddit
According to Saudi channels Al-Hadath and Al-Arabiya reported Sunday, his body was recently recovered along with the remains of 10 of his aides. See his Wikipedia.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Yes but where is the link
lightmaker918@reddit
Didn't find one, there are only Israeli sources, it might have been live tv.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
As expected
lightmaker918@reddit
You can go look yourself, I don't work for you, I referenced Wikipedia.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
His death hasn't been confirmed. Plus it was a different hospital
lightmaker918@reddit
European hospital afaik. I know it hasn't been confirmed by Hamas, but there are strong indications and he's missing since.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Why would they reveal that? Instead of just letting idf think he is gone while he is alive so they don't target him? Optics aren't as important as strategy
lightmaker918@reddit
For moral and showing the world Hamas is in place so the war is useless? It does then no good if Gazans and the world think another of their leaders is dead.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
It does good if Israel doesn't know he is alive
lightmaker918@reddit
You think Israel doesn't have hundreds of spies who want Hamas to fall from inside Hamas? That's how they all got killed, similarly to how Hezbollah got infiltrated and annihilated in a couple of weeks.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Ok dude... Hezbollah spanked you guys. Annihilated he says... Cope harder
lightmaker918@reddit
Huh? Hezbollah who gets hit daily by strikes and doesn't retaliate, Hezbollah who has no choice but to give it's arms to the Lebanon military? Hezbollah who got paged to death with it's rat leader suffocating to death thinking he's invincible? You don't inhabit reality my man.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
I can't believe you brougth up the pagers up dude. You killed kids with that shit and doctors. Hezbollah has been getting hit with strikes anyway. Your technologically advanced army couldn't even get half of that they wanted. You will NEVER get to turn Lebanon into gaza. Keep crying nazi
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
Your inital comment is a deflection from the fact that Israel blatantly lied (again).
lightmaker918@reddit
The lie only matters if the strike is unjustified, if the strike is justified, and it damn is justified if the Sinwar rat is dead, Israel publishing a wrong video doesn't matter.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
They didn't publish a "wrong video", they published a video clearly stating lies.
lightmaker918@reddit
Whoosh
Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit
Disgusting that you call a fellow human a “rat” - the same word Nazis used towards the Jews they massacred.
Poltergeist97@reddit
They have a full mural depicting Sinwar as a rat at one of their training facilities. But God forbid you don't notice a rat emoji on the post you shared, you'll lose your esteemed BBC job. Fucking ridiculous double standards, as usual with Israel.
Stubbs94@reddit
According to whom? The only source on that is directly from the IDF. Not like they're a reliable source.
Dabs4dayss@reddit
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-armed-wing-announces-killing-its-military-leader-2025-01-30/ HAMAS would definitely admit if he was dead, you guys are just stupid! /s
flaamed@reddit
Hamas themselves said it was a tunnel
lightmaker918@reddit
According to Saudi channel Al-Hadath, his body was recently recovered along with the remains of 10 of his aides. As I said, there are strong indications for this and neglecting this is even a possibility in the article is incredibly sus.
BDB-ISR-@reddit
Well, Mohammad Sinwar is dead as well as a few other top field commanders. Meaning whatever was bombed had a tunnel under it and they in fact were there. Thereby making it a legitimate military target.
Fenton-227@reddit
At this point, it's basically near enough just Israel's word vs everybody else's (humanitarian NGOs, rights groups, analysts, and even mainstream media increasingly).
cheeruphumanity@reddit
It’s a farce that the article calls it „Israel‘s evidence“.
Like usual Israel never provided any evidence, just animations and empty claims.
Fenton-227@reddit
Yep, and the fact they haven't even let journalists into Gaza since October 2023 further shows why none of their claims shouldn't be taken at face value.
waj5001@reddit
Just like intel on Saddam's ever-elusive WMDs that served as the justification for the 2003 Iraq invasion by the US and UK.
I only witness Americans reflecting on Israel-centric events in a fairly narrow timeline, but Brits have been dealing with this BS since Balfour and white papers. I would imagine that history surrounding Irgun and Lehi is more present in the British mind and cultural zeitgeist, yet I hear very little from Brits on these issues.
It's maddening that our nations cover for this crap and there's never a justifiable answer.
waiver@reddit
And they have been killing the ones already there.
jakethepeg1989@reddit
But this Saudi Newspaper quotes Hamas officials claiming that there were tunnels there:
"Sources from Gaza-based factions told Asharq Al-Awsat that the location did in fact contain a tunnel system previously damaged in the 2014 war. Hamas’ military wing, Al-Qassam Brigades, reportedly managed to restore the tunnels, which had only suffered minor damage in earlier attacks during the current conflict."
Elusive Assassination Target, ‘Shadow Unit’ Founder: Who Is Mohammed al-Sinwar?
And we still don't have confirmation either way on whether Sinwar was hit on this occasion.
flaamed@reddit
Hamas admitted afterwards it was a tunnel
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