Europe will always consider us just a sanitary corridor for migrants. That, thogether with the exploatation of our natural resources, seems to be our only purpose, according to them.
No one's forcing you to be. I see the same exact moaning in Bulgaria despite us receiving funding from the EU. No one's forcing you to work for western companies. If you continue relying on them for slightly higher wages instead of starting and growing local businesses then yes you'll be a source of cheap labour. Our IT industry is finding this out the hard way now.
I don’t think it’s wrong to work for western companies but the “EU funds us” is purely and subjectively political. No matter how you look at it your local IT industry will always be cheap labor hub for the west.
This isn't really a fault of any of the countries, though. I mean hell, no matter how wealthy, even Western European countries are very much secondary to US hubs when it comes to technology. The industry is just concentrated in places like silicon valley, which means if you're there there's more firms and more experts which is a positive feedback loop that keeps it relevant and keeps it defining relevance, with just being present allowing you to know industry developments weeks ahead of everyone else.
It's not exactly slightly higher wages. I work as a ux designer. I went from making 400 euros a month to making 3500.
On top of that, our government system is imposed on us by the US and EU, who keep telling us it's up to us to fix it, but also that we are not allowed to make any changes. There is literally a high representative in Germany who has the right to change or veto any laws in our country.
Don't feel bad, this is how I feel as a finnish person. The only reason we managed a high economic growth is large land area+ low population and a few very succesful international businesses, like Nokia. Now we have none of that, and are going to be the next Greece of Europe. There is literally no way to avoid bankruptcy at this point yet they keep bringing 3rd world migrants to live on welfare.
Because they don't want to deal with their mistakes . And they dont care about eastern Europeans , the EU is a tool to benefit the major European powers.
I wonder if they are sending back just Albanians or all nationalities?
If it's Albanians I guess it would make some sense at least. They have one of the highest crime rates among migrants (or the highest).
Your comment is actually untrue, they are not the biggest percentage of foreigners that are in prison, they’re the biggest in coorelarion to their population within the UK
I woldnt say it makes it worse but yeah its sad. Same with serbian criminals in sweden, very well organized, many murders under their name, act as if they own the country.
Sad to see
>factual statistics are 1 in 500 Albanians.
Akchually🧐, (Wikipedia) :
In 2024, The Telegraph conducted analysis of Ministry of Justice data on foreign nationals alongside recent census data and found that 1 in 50 Albanians in the UK were in jail. Albanians had the highest imprisonment rate, followed by Kosovans, Vietnamese, Algerians...
The problem with the Ministry of Justice data and Telegraph’s analysis thereof is that it counts only registered illegal migration. According to that data, only 55-60k Albanians live in UK. That number is incredibly low compared to the real number, which our MFA estimates to be at least 250-300k Albanians living in UK.
Can you give us a source other than that misleading edited photo by serb trolls? UK is not a country we albanians from **Kosovo** usually emigrate to. I find it funny how people are easily propaganded these days (either because they are ignorant or because they choose to believe the lies that are aligned with their views). P.s I am talking about supposed fictive Kosovans in the UK jails here LMFAO.
I can believe they are the worst of all europeans in the UK . But there is zero chance albanians and somalians for example are held to the same standards .The UK is discriminating against europeans when it comes to these matters while allowing crimes from the politically correct ethnicities .
> Kosovo gets filled to the brim with immigrants
> Serbia no longer wants Kosovo
> Kosovo is finally fully independent
The Albanian master plan is going rather well if you ask me.
Human rights concerns.
If there is someone fleeing a country their government considers oppressive. Then they're automatically refugees.
Ex: let's take girls from Afghanistan.
So if a girl from Afghanistan somehow escapes Afghanistan, evades capture and makes her way to the UK. The UK would look EXTREMELY bad if they send her back to Afghanistan. Especially as the UK probably recognizes the Taliban as a terrorist group.
It's either one or the other. You can't really have both.
However, a country could try to have both (I.e yes your country is led by 'terrorists' but idc I'll still send you back), but it's also just gonna be hard to send then back. You have to have a transit country. Or you legitimize relations with the country you just called a terror state and form a path for return. But then that goes against you calling them a terror state in the first place.
I hope this helped. Also note that any government's definition of terrorism or a terrorist group is COMPLETELY arbitrary and usually purely political.
I really dont get it where you got this utopian mentallity...yeah, we were all born the same...then people grow up, and think they can do whatever they want in different country, from harassing woman, attempting rape,rape, attacks, knife/acid attacks etc etc....
There is a point when "human" stops being human and becomes worse than animal...
There are criminals. Sure. But no group of people deserves to be treated as subhumans. Everyone has the right to human rights. End of.
You're saying they're subhuman. They're not. They have a heart, brain, kidney, intestines, etc just like you. They're humans.
Let me Crystal clear. It is very obvious you think particular ethnic groups are superior to other ethnic groups. This is supremacism. I don't know what ethnicity you are. But your comments heavily imply that you adhere to some supremacist idealogy.
Oh I totally agree dude he was obviously a white supremacist lmao. He tried to dance around saying it though. That's why I said gg. I agree with the ban
Huh?
Propaganda of what? Lmao
I just gave the first example of a repressed group in a country. And how the uk Would react.
If it was a North Korean who made their way to the UK. The logic would be the exact same...
You still didn't say what propaganda I'm pushing. Sounds to me like you're the one that just wants to be contrarian and say edgy stuff for attention.
Also 'sci fi example' isn't a thing people say.
So, if you were an Afghan male. You're saying you would stay?
Bruh these are the Balkans. All of our countries experience brain drain over high taxes. And you condemn the Afghan men for leaving their country?
Afghan men cant contribute anything to what Europe needs. If they could they could simply apply for a work visa at the nearest EU consulate. But we know what the real deal is. Sucking on welfare is not what Europe needs. Afghan men live in Asia, a huge and safe continent. No need to travel to Europe.
Sure there are. Its the reality, the actual number of women among illegal migrants from Afghanistan, that makes the example seem as sci-fi. But I am sure you are aware🫡
Brother I belive these people are lost to right wing slop, they can't seem to use their brain, you've gotta be pretty low on the iq ladder to even consider using the term "immigrant junkyard"
Humans yes. But men also have responsibility. I don’t think men who run away from their responsibilities are the type of migrants one would want their country.
>type of migrants one would want their country.
Actually they're probably the exact migrants they'd want since they would work the harder jobs like construction, picking strawberries, etc. The ones that few westerners want to do.
These immigrants famously don't integrate in the countries they migrate to. You can't come to a western country to be saved from a terror Muslim regime than start political movements to transition to a terror muslim regime.
There's a documentary on Norway trying to teach migrants about Norwegian culture and they just straight up refuse to work with women
What Afghanistan girls? We all know majority of illegal migrants are military age men. No need to pretend and give sci-fi examples otherwise.
Remigration is the only solution, who cares about their "human rights". What about human right of the local population?
>What about human right of the local population?
Their human rights to aesthetics? Cause this is the European population's problem with immigrants basically.
Like I told this guy earlier. I hope he never ends up in a situation where he realizes what the human rights charter actually entails and why it's important. The fact that he thinks migrants in a community are an infringement of human rights is hilarious and telling in itself.
99% of us on this thread are blessed. Balkans are relatively safe. We have schools, democracy, social programs, equal rights. We arent perfect but we're better than 80% of the world.
Its easy to talk shit until you go through shit yourself and realize why people do the shit they do.
>who cares about their "human rights".
I really hope you never fall into a situation when you realize what human rights are and how much they're taken for granted.
>We all know majority of illegal migrants are military age men
Sure. And? You don't know their situations. Would you blame an Eritrean or Somali or Sudanese man for fleeing their situations? Even if they're military age... What does it matter? They're human.
>Remigration is the only solution
Idk about *only* solution but sure. I just answered the question on why the UK doesn't send people back to their home countries.
If you want to argue that the global community should be more well coordinated so that asylum seekers don't concentrate in one specific country. Sure. That's fine.
But sending them back? In some situations... Maybe. But if the situation is like for Syrians until the recent past. Or idk Eritreans. Or Turkmens. Or even Belarussians.
Why would you send them back to a place they'd likely get persecuted for leaving? Or a place the UK government (in this instance) helped destabilize and make unliveable?
It's easy talking all this talk until you get punched in the face in your own life. Then you realize why rules are the way they are.
It amusing how Muslims in Europe fell to the "Afghanistan are oppressing women" propaganda, you pretty much have no idea about the state of women there nor how Shaariaa works.
Where did I specially say that women are being oppressed in Afganistan?
I just gave an example that the UK government would recognize as oppression.
>you pretty much have no idea about the state of women there nor how Shaariaa works.
I'd have to do more research. I haven't heard anything about the Taliban since 2021
The UK took away a citizen’s passport and denied entry to a days-old infant citizen. Their public would be fine with sending people to Afghanistan like they were with sending petty thieves to Australia.
Yes, important to add that this comes from Article 3 of the ECHR, which prohibits torture, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, and the ECtHR has interpreted this to mean that no one can be returned to a place where there is a real risk of such treatment. This principle is called “non-refoulement”.
This is the main reason why so many hard-right parties in Europe want to leave the ECHR to make non-refoulement possible. However, to anyone who has actually studied law this plan still doesn’t make sense because non-refoulement has generally been seen to have crystallised into Customary International Law, meaning that all countries are essentially bound by it, regardless of what they have or have not signed (unless they have been persistent objectors to it maybe)
Your leaders will let them send you illegal immigrants, Montenegro politicians hold no power at all, you wont even be asked just like you werent asked when it cake to Kosovo independence or joining NATO.
It's not even that, the problem is by Serbian law you can move between Kosovo and rest of Serbia without any checkpoints under freedom of movements rights, so you can cross the border without passport or ID and nobody can do shit about it legally...
That's why Serbia had problem with Kosovar-Albanian people smuggling gangs before Hungary fenced up the border
That is actually not true. You need an ID to enter Serbia from Kosovo. Passports are not allowed because the Serbian govt doesn’t recognize our passport. You definitely, 100%, need an ID to cross the border.
If this migrants shit will happen, I hope your gov will rise a wall on border with military checkpoint.
For now I see Serbia more safe place than many west EU countries. And I hope it will stay that way.
Well I suppose the problem with sending them back to the country of origin isn't always possible. As some people have already said you can't really send people back to places like Afghanistan or Syria. And the UK doesn't want them in the UK while they are checking their application. So Rwanda was an option but that collapsed. So now they're looking at the Balkan countries because 1) They're relatively corrupt and poor and will take the money the UK gives them 2) Already have large amounts of radical Muslims in them anyway
Correct me if I'm wrong but most of Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo's population are Muslim, with large Muslim minorities in Bulgaria, Macedonia and Montenegro.
Actually Bulgaria, Macedonia, and Montenegro are orthodox majority. Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia are the only Muslim majority countries, but also just because some Balkan countries have the same religion with migrants it doesn’t actually mean that they are the same culturally.
I said large Muslim minority. Not majority. I know most population in Bulgaria/Macedonia/Montenegro are Christians.
Not really culturally but Balkans are much closer to Middle Easterners and Arabs than Western, Northern or Central Europeans are. Greeks or Serbians for example can easily look Syrian or Iranian
Have you seen a Serb ever in your entire life? I could bet all 10 fingers on my hand that you look more middle eastern than I do... Jesus, these Brits are ignorant af...
Don't confuse looks with culture. What are you, a (gasp) racist?
Ironically, while visiting Britain, I saw many people with just the same skin tone as me. Now, would you accept me to be British?
Don't bother though, I don't want to be one.
>2) Already have large amounts of radical Muslims in them anyway so the culture is quite similar
This is one of the most misinformed statement I've heard in a while. Balkan muslims are the most secular muslims you can find. National pride here trumps religion unlike the rest of the muslim world. Muslims here care about Islam only on their big religious celebration. Rest of the time alchohol, pork, gambling? That's a normal afternoon.
Muslim secularism in the Balkans is so successful, that Germany has sent people to study it and to try to implement it there.
>2) Already have large amounts of radical Muslims in them anyway so the culture is quite similar
Not really culturally but Balkans are much closer to Middle Easterners and Arabs than Western, Northern or Central Europeans are. Greeks or Serbians for example can easily look Syrian or Iranian
The way I see it London is a Muslim Capital, and 80% of your Cuisine is already Indian- so you have no right to complain, nor sent them somewhere else.
Nope. Very few have returned. Why would they? They receive free care, pay no taxes, and have a much better quality of life overall. They are all still here and are making babies like there’s no tomorrow.
Well, we couldn’t exactly be a dumping ground for France’s nuclear waste, mine lithium colony so all of the fine people in Western and Northern Europe can drive their electric cars while we poison our own water and land, *and* also take in migrants. We had to pick and apparently, we chose death by pollution. So yeah
true. we didnt have that kind of problems until current prime minister and biden govermant in america. DEI started tu push hard in these parts when that happened and just like that bunch of nepali, indian people flooded the streets in Zagreb like a biblicle locust plague.
Wat in the 90s was a scam and in vain. Naivly we let it go what we gained in blood 70 years ago and now we are paying the price with existance.
I think the issue is they circumvent having to apply for asylum by destroying their papers so they cannot be sent back because the country replies with: "I would take him back but you need to be able to prove they are a citizen of mine" so they get to stay in UK regardless of the laws and rules.
I imagine then finding countries that want to help by accepting all is to provide a counter to the no papers tactic.
Because now they get to stay in EU or UK but if you send them to somewhere else many would be discouraged in doing the no papers trick since they would get kicked out anyway.
Why would a Serbian province do it? To become the next palestine?
Just to give the British perspective on this - British judges have defined almost any country outside Europe as unsafe for a whole host of reasons. Especially in the case of our major migrant origin countries like Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Sudan, migrants can very easily claim that they are gay/ Christian/ liberal/ atheist/ disabled (despite not actually being any of those things) and a judge will block their deportation.
While they are here - while they are appealing their sentences especially, which frequently takes years - we are obliged by our own laws to host them. Most of the time, this means spending huge amounts on either placing them in dubious hotels, or housing them at our considerable expense in council housing. In both cases, on top of the financial cost, large concentrations of recent migrants tend to cause social problems.
What is the correct solution to this? Overruling these idiotic judges. Will that happen? We have actually been slowly moving in that direction over the past six months or so, but at nowhere near a desirable rate.
I don’t want to see this situation inflicted on any Balkan countries besides Albania and Kosovo. Albanian and Kosovar gangsters have effectively taken over large parts of the drug trade in the UK, and the Albanian and Kosovar governments do nothing to prevent them from coming here, so they can take all the migrants in the world for all I care. There is absolutely no political reason or moral justification for us to be depositing thousands of migrants into a field in Croatia or Romania, though.
Such an idiotic take
Let me give you some history notes
Around 100 years ago, the british government pushed for dissolving albania, and giving all of it’s lands to the neighbours
It somehow avhieved it, as around 70% of albanian lands were left out of its borders,
What followed was genocide on albanian population on all of these parts that were left out of the border, and millions of people killed and exiled
Also The country was drowned in poverty as a result
The consequences of these, you see today, as suffering creates hard people, who now are coming to your country, as you are rich because of the attricities you commited through the ceuntries
You reap what you sow
They could burn london to the ground for all that we care, and i assure you none of the people who suffered your oppression would feel any remorse
>Albanian and Kosovar gangsters have effectively taken over large parts of the drug trade in the UK, and the Albanian and Kosovar governments do nothing to prevent them from coming here
Tbh I doubt that the majority of these guys are even born in Albania or Kosovo. Iirc most Albanians are outside Albania. Plus, Albania and UK don't have a free movement clause like within the EU in the past... UK is also liable here for not vetting people properly.
>depositing thousands of migrants into a field in Croatia or Romania
Romanians would riot I think lmao
>No worries, many of them will be Romanian criminals.
What? What does Romania have to do with the discussion at hand lmao.... Did you just want to take a shot at us?
>Anyway, most of them are born in Albania. They have Albanian passports.
Having Albanian passports != being born in Albania... Idk where you got that idea from.
Absolutely brain dead take. So just because a relatively handful of bad people from our countries went to the UK and did bad stuff, it’s ok to fuck with people who have nothing to do with them just because they’re from the same country of origin? Wtf are our governments supposed to do? Those gangs have literally zero presence here, at least here in Kosovo, and the number of Kosovars in the UK is negligible. What you do inside your own borders is none of our fucking concern.
Lmao, Albanians will keep coming to the UK to make money in the drug trade as long as British cokeheads and drug addicts keep buying - literally a problem of your own doing. Albania and Kosovo are not getting involved in this. People caught in the UK are already sent back virtually immediately and it's neither Albania nor Kosovo's problem to police what they do outside of the country borders.
Because politicisans are just servants of bigger puppet masters. If by some chance people elect somene you get what you saw recently in Romania. Elections are a scam and that is why people do rarly go on elections.
EU comission is unelected body but their ideas/decisions affect lifes every and each of us.
Many of the people from central Africa, Pakistan/ Afghanistan, don't have any formal documents, no birth certificates, or the like.
Their native countries don't know they exist and will not accept them back. There's no paper trail linking them to any nation.
This is very difficult to do. Once they're in the UK, it's game over.
The solution is to tighten borders and not letting them enter on the first place.
Yes. I always find it funny when these corrupt governments agree to shitty deals from the west, and then blame the west for that stuff. Nah. It’s their own fault for agreeing to do this crap for some cash. Balkan countries always love to victimize themselves when it’s their own politicians selling them out.
That’s exactly right and my point. Hence why balkans should stop blaming the west and start taking responsibility for their governments’ fuck ups and corruption.
Exactly my point. It’s easy to always blame the west, while ignoring that these countries are accepting shitty deals just because they want cash (corruption)
We're talking about governments that have in the past rallied their population to kill their neighbor - while that was horrible for the population itself, the people in power profit. Look at a dickmuncher like Dodik profiteering of genocide denial and stoking nationalistic fantasies. The people in RS are getting fucked by Dodik but they don't care because he got them under their spell.
Legally it's difficult to send back people to a place that isn't safe so paying a third (safe) country is theoretically easier, although no one seems to have made it work yet
You can only send people back if the country they came from is (A) safe enough and (B) wants to take them back. Otherwise you’re pretty much stuck with them. Still, sending them to a third country is ridiculous in my opinion.
They will take a shitload of money and eventually the immigrants will leave or escape back to UK. Remember their way to western europe goes through most of these countries but the aliens had no intention to settle there. They want to live in UK and Germany. It is a poor strategy. Europe should act like single country and get rid of all immigrants and secure the borders like US is doing.
Croatias current governing political party has been pronaunced a criminal organization by the eu. Yet most young people have left the country and there is little people who are left who arent somewhat benefiting from the situation.
yeah this is to be expected honestly, the eu has always been a western supremacist project that uses eastern european states as cheap hubs to get skilled workers from. not surprised that they're going to be offloading immigrants as well
Classic Balkan take
“Everything ever is someone else’s fault and we can’t do anything about our own fate”
🤷🏻♂️
Suffer forever, then? I don’t know what to tell ya
It's not that we let them per se. It's problem with the fact that whoever we choose, even if they wanted to make a change, they would be pushed to the corner by European commision and it shows that we are not allowed to lead our own foreign businesses without EU "blessing". Bunch of contracts where we thought we are getting developed, "non returnabale" funds they "give" us, must be payed off somewhere. Citizens are oblivious and think we are not paying them back, but this is exactly how we are going to do it.
Living in Croatia made me conclude that. In the last 10 years I can't fathom how many police officers were recruited because of the immigration crisis, since we became Schengens toilette. Why so many cops? Certainly not for protecting our border, but to manage to get every one of those illegal immigrants. And what happens with the one you catch? He becomes our burden. Wherever he go after Croatia, he is written as a asylum seeker IN Croatia. And if they want, they can legally kick him out and return to Croatia where we are responsible for him. And as many mentioned, he can't be returned to his homeland, because we can't put pressure.
Loans with 200% interest rate, far and few subsidies with the intention to brick our eceonomies, protectorate oligopols over German companies + political lobbying- and we all should be greateful for that.
The net inflow of funds are clear and substantial. Bulgaria contributed around 610m euros to the EU budget from total government revenue of ~23bn euros but from EU cohesion plan between 2007 and 2019 they received around 13bn euros (some sources say 16 to 25bn) mainly in grants that don’t need to be repaid. A large percent of the public infrastructure there is funded by the EU. It seems to me this is a significant benefit and has helped Bulgaria’s growth.
200% interest sounds like a misstatement. There’s no way a mainstream EU financial instrument could charge 200%. That’s a predatory interest rate.
The EU has been a western supremacist project? What nonsense. The poorer EU countries get billions more than they put in. Why don't they all leave if it's so terrible?
And the Balkans have f-all migrants. It's really a joke to complain about a few thousand migrants for financial compensation when places like Germany and the UK have had millions which they have to pay for.
I know the downvotes are coming because I've gone against the grain, but I can't hold my tongue. Please, explain to me how what I've said is untrue or doesn't make sense.
Tell me, Vanyusha, what do they do with Ukraine, except support their defence against the Russian imperialists?
Last I remember the West supported both my country's and Croatia's independence unlike Russia.
> Last I remember the West supported both my country's and Croatia's independence unlike Russia.
Genuinely curious how the west supported Bulgarian independence and when?
Yes. Along with France they always had "hateful" policy towards countries from Balkan. If it were up to them the war that started in 1991. would still last on the soil of former Yugoslavia.
Your leaders will give them everything they ask for, just like they did always. They wont even ask the people what they think about it, just like they didnt ask about Kosovo and NATO.
At this point Montenegro is a colonized country with no sovereignty, NATO and foreign investors can twist laws and bend them to their liking, Italian mafia can build 3000 hotels, laws can be implemented without referendum, diplomacy is handled by non-Montenegrins (western powers) and the government is so cuckish they cannot say no to anyone from the outside while some peoples biggest worry are "the Serbs". Milo Djukanovic and his reign destroyed and ravaged all that was left of Montenegrin sovereignty, created so much ethnic hatred for no reason.
I completely agree. I come from the part where Serbs are a majority and they’ve said the same for decades now. I’m in disbelief whenever I hear a “milogorac” talk shit about Serbs, but glazes Croatians and Albanians. Makes no sense in my head.
They want to be their own country? Fine. The hatred? Not so much.
Well yeah, I’m not talking about you obviously. I’m talking about your governments. But then people from your countries start blaming the west, when they should be blaming their own governments.
Your government just rigged an election. That is obvious. Especially when you look at the Mayor who won. This man will be found with another man in a public restroom. That is obvious from looking at him. Trust me I am American. I know what I see. And he absolutely will accept these migrants 100%.
Albania already refused this, wouldn't be surprised if other Balkan countries refuse as well. Besides with the anti migrant, anti Balkan, anti EU rethorics UK has had for years nobody should be doing them any favors
Yes, and an EU/italian court blocked it as it went against EU ethics and rules. So while everyone there fights about it, Rama gets Albania in the EU and changes his mind later aka like saying to Starmer during the summit “nah, this was a one time deal” lol this is the Balkans let’s all bfr
Western European nations exporting their trash to Eastern Europe. But yay, we’re all oh so equal, aren’t we? Now bend over and take it for some brownie points and spare change.
lol because EU is holding the carrot on a stick to all the western balkans.
"Serbia, give us lithium and you'll join" (you wont and you 'll also be polluted as we get clean energy in western eu)
"Albania take our immigrants and you'll join" (you won't because we don't want you nor these immigrants)
"Kosovo, take these immigrants as well and you'll join" (you wish)
"Montenegro, block your biggest investor Russia and let us buy your land insted and you'll join" (no you won't now you just changed your owner)
"North Macedonia, change your entire constitution, name, and every wish Bulgaria and Greece have and you'll join" (Lol no now you'll just get blocked every step of the way anyway)
The year of us joining always gets moved. Now its magically 2028, but in 2027 it will be 2030, in 2030 it will be 2035, and maybe then we actually will join, but God knows.
Either way, EU plays a dirty game, while us in the Balkans have no idea how to hold our politicians accountable for anything and are drowning in corruption and organized crime.
Wonderful pretend game we have here on both sides.
More like less than a quarter of a century in terms of geopolitics. Russia is using the exact same excuses to take land from Ukraine as NATO did when creating an independent Kosovo.
Regardless of what your view on Kosovo is, it is not a ‘sui generis’ case as they often tried to portray it as, but rather showed that international law is more or less voidable depending on political power.
Since independent Kosovo was created by the US and UK (more or less), it is to be expected that now is the time for the Kosovo Albanians to return some favours
Am really surprised old pussy lips isn't part of this. He would get money for taking them in and can use the immagrints to boost his support. Then again if he tries it can also speed up his downfall and lose him support.
At this moment, he would do anything to keep him in the power, even if it means entering some bullshit deal like this, as a way of trying to secure some alliance in the West for him personally. He doesn't care about the people and he doesn't even care about the ratings anymore. He thinks he can go on like this, to abuse power and brutally punish the oponents.
Political favor? Uk really won't let Serbija invade Kosovo if they have these weird hubs there. So Kosvo can maybe spend less on the military and feel safer.
Vučić would have signed to give Kosovo to enter EU long time ago if China was not pressuring Serbia about not doing it, think about it logically why did Russia always support Kosovo as part of Serbia even when Crimea broke off from Ukraine in 2014? They were shooting themselves in the foot with that but they couldn't say fck Kosovo because of China because they don't want to lose Taiwan
Hey, what's the downside of it? We've been paying Albania a crapton of euros to host our immigrants and we sent you *twelve*. You guys could potentially get billions upon billions of euros for hosting, like, 400 people in total. You're basically being gifted money.
I'm not sure what we get from paying you all that stuff for this, tho, but hey, I'm no snitch
I can't even blame the West for exploiting the Balkans when our leaders make it so easy for them to be bribed. We are so cooked as a region if we don't find a way to replace our political elite.
For anyone wondering why dont they send them back? I remember some years ago, Greece was sending back people in Pakistan, and the government there wouldn't even allow them to disembark the plane, so they returned to Greece on the same plane.
Their countries dont want them back as they're overpopulated, and they see it as a win whenever their own people leave cause they end up sending back money to their families.
The EU itself needs to put pressure on each country collectively. Stop all imports, impose visa bans, increase tarrifs. Basically, bullying then into taking back their people.
Unfortunately, you are now a political extremist if you don’t believe in uncontrolled immigration; a nation has a right to their own state unless you’re European. I can appreciate many aspects of the EU, like the consumer protections that have been instituted and enforced, but the tradeoffs make it difficult to like as a whole.
UK choosing countries with recent experience with genocide and ethnic cleansing for the immigrants camps is a bit on the nose. Why not straight pick Oświęcim or forests near Katyn?
Balkan people, especially those living abroad, should not complain. It’s not as if there haven’t been hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants from the Balkans spreading organised crime across Europe. It’s always “immigration for me, but not for thee.” Either be for it or against it, don’t be a hypocrite.
So, your logic instead of returning those where they came from is the illegals that went to your country from the middle east and Africa to be shipped in some random European country.
Is thinking not allowed over there or something?
What I’m saying is that illegal immigrants shouldn’t complain about illegal immigration. Obviously they should ideally be sent back to their country of origin, and deporting people to some other third party country makes no sense. My remark is more about illegal migration as a whole, not about this one specific plan, since a lot of the pushback in the comments relates to illegal migration as a whole.
And you think we here, in the comments are illegals immigrants then ? You see pushback in the comments because here you see mainly people living in the balkans, minding their own business.
I’m not saying you are in specific, but when Trump was apparently going to deport Balkan illegals from the US, everyone was talking about how cruel and inhumane it was.
This 🙏
You can't have 10% of the world that has above average standards and then have 70% of piss poor world population wanting to migrate there because of better conditions... Create those better conditions yourselves in your countries motherfuckers.
Colonialism? Nah that's bullshit of the past, look at Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, UAE, Qatar etc. All are rich as fuck.
Just saying, why don't we put them in an open field with a barbed wire fence, handcuffs, only water and bread, and apple slice meals, maybe use some music 24/7, no phones or entertainment and leave them there ? Its a prison, but people have it worse say in philipines.
You heard wrong. It is propaganda. We tolerate it because in theory, they do all the slave work. White Americans don't want to clean toilets and pick straw berries. If they are not working they are useless to our society.
And also because we don't want to lose our businesses jobs house cars and money from the social punishments the media brainwashing has put onto the dumber Americans which unfortunately, is the majority now.
But, if we become poor and resources go down there will be big problems. They will start it. We have the solution in our Constitution to finish it.
It would make the 1990s Balkans look like heaven on earth.
But we don't want that. We want these people gone. That is why Donald Trump was elected three times.
Not gonna happen to Croatia, its political suicide from more then one way. No one would ever again vote for you and then you would have to explain to 26 other EU member states why illegal migrants can now travel to their country.
The will straight up be no "talks" even, its just waaaaay to risky for low rewards.
The EU blocked a right wing nationalist in Romania from running and winning. The new right wing nationalist candidate had an 85% win projection. 85% is basically 100% here in USA.
Then all of Romania votes for the, mayor and the right wing loses. After all that. One look at the new President of Romania and I can tell you they will find him with another man in a public restroom at 0300 hours.
They use blackmail and extortion to get what they want. All candidates are hand picked. Romania is guaranteed to get migrants now.
That election was rigged. Same as Trump vs. Biden in 2020. Rigged.
Diversity is sadly the main reason for war and problems in the Balkans. Balkans is already naturally diverse. There’s no need for non-European immigrants.
Good luck with that ... you should probably organise protests if this comes to pass ...
And honestly i hope they f**** off from 🇲🇪 aswell i see we're in their "plans".
This is the proof that they see Balkan as a junkyard... while we fight amongst ourselves, they fill us with their junk and incompetence.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/09/26/danish-justice-minister-visits-kosovo-prison-set-to-receive-300-inmates-from-denmark
This is the closest thing the parlament has approved and it took 3 years, 300 inmates for 15m a year
Bc the Balkans are playing chess while they play checkers, and using their own racism against them to finally get out of this limbo EU elitist pricks put us under.
Ah so puppet government of "democratic kosovo" agreed to host migrants. Best way to destabilise region by making them "leak" into serbia. And then press serbia for being "hub for criminal" and reason to sanction even more.
When I confronted Starmeristas they told me this wasn't going to happen or go anywhere lol...
https://preview.redd.it/i4a4elifht1f1.jpeg?width=1038&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d09c93598b261f596d52bc5a4cf6ccbbc21501a7
Yeah sure offshore your problems to the balkans now fuckers.. They should atleast handle their problems gracefully; we weren't the ones that colonized the entirety of Africa, motherfuckers, leave us alone, we have enough problems at home
No one has said anything about the migrant hub,but the prime minister of North Macedonia just signed "strategic partnership" with the UK few days ago and confirmed 5 billions of UK investments in the country...
Makes you wonder what the UK would get in return for those "investments"?
At this point, Kosovars are stuck choosing if they get to have new Kosovar govt. mafia sell out Kosovo, or have Serbian govt. mafia sell out Kosovo (along with the rest of Serbia).
This is why I grew out of caring about Serbia and Kosovo situation, the outcome is the same either way, and me as a lowly citizen, get nothing. Good luck Kosovo bros. We're all left out for the wolves...
UK and other Westerns nations ( we forgive Portugal cuz they are part of our club now ) are main reason why most of countries these migrants are coming from are messed up.... Why would Balkan nations take their migrants? And when they were passing thro Serbia few years back i do rmb some of them trying to steal my chicken and my dog almost bited the leg off 1 cuz of it.
Clearly the one thing struggling balkan nations need is immigrants that didn't manage to integrate into a functioning country. Surely it will go much smoother in countries that barely manage to keep the minimum together(debateable if they even manage that).
This should be illegal in the first place
If someone is risking their life crossing seas and deserts to reach Uk, Spain, France or Italy they should either grant them a stay or send them back where they came from and not dump them in what they call us "Second world countries"
Im not against immigrant but i doubt any immigrant would say let me risk my life and go to Kosovo for a better future
Whatever the destination the 1% decide it to be, good luck to the people born and bred there. I love Balkan cuisine and have spent the last 2 months living in Serbia. Serbia doesn’t need integration or more leeches, they need people fixing a broken f****** train station so their citizens can travel safely.
So politicians can increase the numbers they see on their off-shore accounts. This is the only correct answer.
Unlike the president of turkey the bird. President of turkeys would never do something like this. You cannot find examples of this from the president of turkeys. If the president of the turkeys did something like this I would feel comfortable with writing it here openly. I am obviously talking about president of the turkeys(genus Meleagris).
Oh I'm so afraid those 'hubs' are gonna look like concentration camps, the UK messed up with many countries and it should solve their crisis by themselves and NO I don't think sending all the migrants back is a good idea
Good way the finesse the Brits, there is absolutely no chance those migrants would spend a month in the balkans after seeing how "good" our social services and salaries are.
They will go back to England within a month. It's out of Europe or nothing, the people who pushed for this type of policy should be investigated as well but that's another long story.
I am surprised that the labour government is doing this, given the fact that Sir Keir Starmer campaigned against the deportations into Rwanda
Technically correct, as the deportations aren’t towards Rwanda anymore, but I think that this is a massive Kolotoumba
The UK already recognized them. This won't get Kosovo in the UN as China and Russia will still block it, the UK isn't in the EU so no help there... The only thing that anyone in Kosovo stands to gain from this would be the politicians paid off to agree to it.
Because you will get big bucks and political points for it. EU politicians don't want the public scrutiny and legal challenges that comes with processing migrants and sending them back to wherever they came from so their new strategy is pay non-EU states to do it for them. In a place like Albania no one will give two shits about these migrants so people overseeing the operation can will get relatively little public criticism.
Because we in the Balkans are re\*arded and want to get quick "points" from Europe on our road to the EU/to get more money and we accept whatever shit they throw at us.
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