Yea. It's not a surprise since gen X, millenials and some older gen z grew up LOTR, Warhammer, MGS2, Evangelion...
We will start to see them/us refer to it more and more as we gain prominence.
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All the former libertarian techbros name their companies after sci-fi or fantasy stuff that they completely miss the message on. Anduril, Palantir, etc. OpenAI literally had a model called Arrakis, the name of the planet in Dune. Dune is literally about a society that fought a thousand year war against sentient computers that tried to murder everyone. And they name their sentient computer after it.
True, but they want it to be. That's the whole point. They're literally lighting billions of dollars a year on fire in a desperate race to be the first to create what they deem "AGI".
They know they can't make a real AGI, they're scrambling to find problems to solve with this solution they've created that is actually worth all the money they invested. AGI is just another way for them to keep stringing along dumb investors.
This is so true and always makes me laugh. Palantirs before Sauron corrupted them were communication devices. The dark lord is the one who turned them into spyware. But of course Thiel’s spyware company is named palantir. These guys seem to think they’re the good guys from LoTR but at best they’re Saruman.
*Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale.*
*Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus*
“Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” “‘Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind,’” Paul quoted." - Frank Herbert
"Man I love Frank Herbert's work so much I am gonna name the machine I created in the likeness of a human mind after Arrakis. AI will definitely set us free!" - Media illiterate techbros
Yup, when you look at the Musk - Thiel - Sachs axis (including Yarvin and Luckey) have named a lot of companies after LoTR lore - most of those companies look set to be used for the betterment of mordor.
Peter Thiel and Musk were co-founders at PayPal.
Thiel co-founded Palantir and Mithril Capital. He put JD Vance up at the top at Mithril.
Mithril is a VC backing Palmer Luckey's Anduril.
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And there's the scam connection that will get assloads of taxpayer money thrown at this startup while Lockheed and/or Grumman will be the ones to actually produce something that can be fielded.
That's not the scam connection.
Peter Thiel and Musk were co-founders at PayPal.
Thiel co-founded Palantir and Mithril Capital. He put JD Vance up at the top at Mithril.
Mithril is a VC backing Palmer Luckey's Anduril.
Yeah I don't trust this guy and think he's a douche.
If your a weapons manufacturer trying to be hip and just , kinda makes you question what his real intentions are.
No one gets into weapon manufacturing out of good will.
Did you miss the part where he sees self a a radical Zionists. How he has developed AI machine gun's sadly made in Australia and sold to Israel..... His show and dance is a load of crap. He probably paid to be on 60min.
Australia needs to rip up his contracts and give this radical the boot.
Some manipulation is already evident in this interview. The reporter expresses concern that AI might rebel. The man redirects her attention away from his company. He responds with a story about good, smart mines that can save children. But his company doesn't make smart mines. He produces a drone that could potentially take part in a blue-on-blue situation.
>No one gets into weapon manufacturing out of good will.
The Switchblade CEO did that! Family fled Afghanistan from the Soviets, created Switchblade in the US to prevent future invasions of the country.
A few years later: helps US invade Afghanistan, using Switchblades
>NAWABI: We, always as a company, had what I call a moral True North.
https://insideunmannedsystems.com/up-close-with-wahid-nawabi-ceo-chairman-and-president-aerovironment/
CCA Increment 1 is not focused on stealth features. They’re being envisaged for OBSS and/or missile truck missions. Increment 2 is, reportedly, looking at stealth platforms.
The -42 pretty clearly has ventral internal storage bays that are, reportedly, sized for AMRAAMs. -44 might be focusing more on the OBSS role but there’s no reason to think it couldn’t have external hard points.
Useless? One of the biggest weaknesses of the F-35 and F-22 are the small internal storage volume. Increasing the magazine by 50% (or 33% with a Sidekick equipped F-35A/C) without compromising the stealth profile with external stores is hardly “useless.”
> the biggest weaknesses of the F-35 and F-22 are the small internal storage volume
1. Not for air to air missiles.
2. This thing is too small to carry a large payload *at all*. Forget internal payload.
> Increasing the magazine by 50%
We do not send fighters in with 4 missiles…
> without compromising the stealth profile
1. No chance this thing can carry aim-120s externally, or even maneuver at 35,000 for that matter. This thing is closer to a predator than a fighter. This dude is on 60 minutes to be a salesman. That’s all this is.
2. Two missiles and then this thing has to RTB? That is utterly useless. You’re better off just trying to tack on 2 more missiles to current fighters.
Also, 2 missiles is a number I just threw out there based on how small this thing is. Show me where this thing carries its missiles. And then show me something saying it can maneuver with said missiles as Mach 0.9 at >35,000ft.
> We do not send fighters in with 4 missiles…
An F-35A or C can only fit internally, at most, 6 AMRAAM if it’s fitted with Sidekick. The -35B cannot use Sidekick so is limited to 4. Adding external stores compromises range and its stealth profile. The F-22 can accommodate up to 6 AMRAAM Charlies internally, otherwise it’s limited to 4 A or Bs, plus 2 Sidewinders in the ventral bays. Again, you can add external stores but you’re losing range/stealth.
A -42A armed with 2 additional A2A missiles represents a *50%* increase in capacity for an F-35B. I fail to see how this is “useless.” For some reason you’re hung up on the -44’s size and I really don’t understand why when I’m not talking about it.
I’m sorry your frame of reference is a Ace Combat or DCS where you’ve got a full murder spec loadout that would empty your fuel in 20 minutes and give you an RCS the size of the carrier you took of from.
> An F-35A or C can only fit internally, at most, 6 AMRAAM
Which is not 4… So the difference between 6 and 8 missiles is not worth *this entire unmanned wingman program*.
> The -35B cannot use Sidekick so is limited to 4.
The F-35B is irrelevant. And the F-35A/C are not going to be the primary air superiority fighters anyway. That’ll be the raptor.
> additional A2A missiles represents a 50% increase in capacity for an F-35B.
Shamelessly picking the worst-case, most irrelevant scenario. The fighter elements will have 8 missiles internally. 2 extra, especially at the cost of this entire complex autonomous wingman program, is utterly farcical. **FFS just design a stealth wing pod that allows the Raptor to carry more 120s**.
> you’ve got a full murder spec loadout
You think 8 missiles is “murder spec”? Dude 8 missiles is [standard](https://i0.wp.com/warriormaven.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/fa18-super-hornet-new-102621-1280x720-1.jpg?resize=702%2C526&ssl=1). I really don’t think you appreciate how comically small this drone is…
> I’m sorry your frame of reference is a Ace Combat or DCS
I was an F-18 pilot. I did this for a living. A lot. What’s your background?
> and I really don’t understand why when I’m not talking about it.
Because that size means it can’t fly 500 miles, get into an A2A engagement at >0.9M and >35,000 ft and then fly home.
Everyone needs to understand that this technology is coming. Its being developed by adversary nations and will ultimately be used. It is easy to claim that the military industrial complex is evil and there is truth in that. Make no mistake, if Putin or Xi have technological superiority to challenge the USA they will use it. We must maintain our edge. We must expect our allies to bolster their defenses. Lest we become victims of complacency. Downvote me to oblivion if you want.
I wished more defense companies followed what Anduril did with this aircraft design.
They’re using mostly off the shelf components.
We need to demand future acquisitions follow this path.
I’m curious what the flight hour cost will be.
To me this is future of military aviation, mix of unmanned fighters/drones, low cost SUAS and cargo aircraft with small cohort of manned fighter aircraft.
The [Textron Airland Scorpion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textron_AirLand_Scorpion) was another design that utilised COTS components. I guess it just wasn't capable enough to make the lower costs of manufacture and operation worthwhile.
I think the problem with defense is we have almost “unlimited money” when comes to major defense projects.
I know realistically we don’t but when comes to large programs, they become too big to fail.
The problem is we don’t approach acquisitions with fixed budget in mind or we keep adding requirements.
In fairness jet fighters aren’t something you can buy off the economy.
Something like jet engine for fighter jet isn’t something that would be available on the commercial market place.
I think where we could improve is require most components to be off the shelf. Not every thing would be available that way and we would still have to develop things from scratch.
We could cut down on development time and cost if we insisted companies didn’t have to reinvent the wheel each time.
dont forget the increasing reality on the internet, to the point that it morphs into something greater than what it used to be...
entities living in the electrosphere (such as dision), but AIs can be far more powerful than that. I'm not sure electrosphere covers that aspect.
That’s what I thought, but apparently this thing has a max takeoff weight of 5,000lbs. That is lighter than a piper aztec, and about 1/8th the weight of an F-16. This thing is tiny.
Palmer Luckey is a huge creep. If we ever get a sane government again, they need to investigate him & all his friends & figure out how the fuck they ever got security clearances despite being traitors to the republic. & investigate their contract awards for corruption.
like if there's ever anyone to have Edd fetch a block for...
It’s okay, the drones they’ve made so far and introduced into Ukraine have been an abysmal failure, this is likely just vaporware that will never see a conflict anyways.
I’m curious what systems you’re referring to…
Unless you have access to some classified information, the only Anduril systems I’ve seen reported to be used/plan to be used in Ukraine are Ghost-X and Altius. And the latter’s acquisitin was only announced in March. Ghost-X apparently isn’t *that* abysmal because it’s been picked up by the Replicator program last October.
You keep claiming it’s a failure without anything to back it up beyond “just trust me bro.” Meanwhile the US and UK Armies and USMC seem more than happy with Ghost X and Altius for their needs.
Have fun. It’s a good read.
“Anduril, as a venture startup, is a wonderful company, except they give too much credit to their PR guys that are just saying how successful they are in Ukraine and hoping that nobody really fact-checks them,” says Acuna.
“Ghost was an absolute failure — one of their tactical drone systems in Ukraine, this abject failure. To their credit, they came back with this Ghost X, which is fine, but then when that started failing, they just steered into the nonsense curve, as opposed to trying to fix it,” Acuna said of Anduril’s Ukraine marketing strategy.”
https://kyivindependent.com/battle-tested-in-ukraine-how-us-drone-makers-turned-ukraine-into-a-tagline-to-sell-west/
It’s almost like I only have one comment up at a time or something. But go ahead and sling ad hoc insults if it makes you feel big and tough.
But what’s your point? One guy with a vested interest (he’s selling his own drone consulting services to Estonia) says it suffered the same problems all of their other systems have? It’s the reason they’ve resorted to fiber optics. By that criteria should we say Raytheon is a failure because the SDB-1 failed and they had to iterate to the SBD-2 Stormbreaker? I guess Lockheed is vaporware because the GMLRs went from wunderwaffen to afterthought thanks to GPS jamming. And I guess we should shut down General Dynamics because the Ukrainians don’t like the Abrams, it, too, failed after all.
Lmao not even a tenth of the BS going on in legacy contractors.
You think that’s bad? The guy even explains it’s the result of acquisitions. This is how defense companies start. They get big by buying out other tech companies and selling their stuff.
How do you think Lockheed-**Martin** got big? Northrop-**Grumman**?
Literally a Russian bot
I’ve literally visited Ukraine you dolt, and riding with UA soldiers on a bus to Kyiv is where I first heard about western drones and in particular Anduril being shit.
Russian bot? Guess this is what happens when you can admit you’re wrong.
I’ve given you multiple sources showing Anduril is a shit company that makes shit drones.
Do you have any sources on the successful use of ghost x in Ukraine?
So nobody except you is a valid source here?
You’re acting like a literal child, and have yet to include a single link to support your argument besides “nuh uh”
What a waste of my time.
That’s what you gleaned from my messages? What a child.
Grunts on the ground don’t know anything about military technology other than they’re told to use it. Doesn’t make their testimony some shining mark on a company’s performance.
People who know don’t talk. You’re all talk. You don’t know.
I didn't know they had anything in use over there. All I can find is vague headlines about the drones being successful in Ukraine, which seems to affirm what you're saying. But I can't really find any real information on how they performed
I’ve got an article for you.
I went in 2023 and spent 10 hours on the back of a bus on the way to Kyiv with about 30 Ukrainian soldiers.
It’s where I first learned all the “wonder weapons” the west was donating weren’t actually all working the way they advertised.
This is such a weird take because I’ve never heard any serious individual refer to “wonder weapons” or hid the fact that the Russian EW systems are extremely effective and difficult to counter. The moment the Soviets/Russians realized they couldn’t compete with NATO air forces and precision weapons they shifted to doing everything possible to develop ways to neutralize them.
Have fun. It’s a good read. Also matches up with what the Ukrainian soldiers told me when I visited in 2023.
“Anduril, as a venture startup, is a wonderful company, except they give too much credit to their PR guys that are just saying how successful they are in Ukraine and hoping that nobody really fact-checks them,” says Acuna.
“Ghost was an absolute failure — one of their tactical drone systems in Ukraine, this abject failure. To their credit, they came back with this Ghost X, which is fine, but then when that started failing, they just steered into the nonsense curve, as opposed to trying to fix it,” Acuna said of Anduril’s Ukraine marketing strategy.”
https://kyivindependent.com/battle-tested-in-ukraine-how-us-drone-makers-turned-ukraine-into-a-tagline-to-sell-west/
They‘re a Hype Company.
They got like 2 products that are kinda interesting, Altius and Barracuda. Their „bolt“ drone is too big when smaller options exist, too expensive unlike the ones we see in Ukraine and the Warhead on it is too small for its worth.
Anduril is the walking embodiment of the „AI“ Buzzword.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t actually work in industry.
Anduril has been poaching talent from the legacies… the younger and more amibitious ones who are tired of the lethargy of the primes.
Rumor says it, Anduril is…
Yes but the CEO has been a vocal supporter of the current president for nearly a decade, based on the current acquisitions climate, that's may count more than their current products being sort of shit.
you just want to do mental gymnastics to justify indulging in war content while pretending its ok because its deep and there are weird creatures but its still war war war and you are just playing games
thats not even remotely my point but people who consume a lot of fiction love to project instead of actually understanding things
my point is that tolkien content is war centric content for people who want to indulge in war fantasies no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise and using tolkien references in military makes perfect sense
Tolkien was clearly influenced by WW1 and was not a proponent of war (especially imperialistic wars of conquest), but Anduril the sword is literally a weapon of war. I mean, Tolkien didn’t have Rohan answer the beacons with thoughts and prayers.
Absolutely! We can’t remove Tolkein from his context.
German, French, and British political leadership had completely handed-over the running of WW1 to generals. The tactics and human losses on the western front were insane.
Understand the subtlety in the difference of a sword used by fictional character for purposes of justice and the other a crude machine to whomever pays the most.
I mean, you’re using some fancy words that sound nice, but a metal sword is designed to cut flesh and is much more of a “crude machine” than a fighter jet that can operate autonomously. Also it’s not like Anduril is selling weapons to US enemies if they’re willing to “pay the most”.
Aragon may use it “for the purposes of justice”, though I don’t think that’s supported by the text, Tolkien doesn’t seem interested in justice but more moral right and wrong. Anduril is a symbol and it has no magical properties which influence the war for middle earth, it harkens back to Numenorean greatness and Gondor’s cultural values. I’d argue that Anduril the company harkens back to the origins of Silicon Valley’s greatness and values: it started as a tech hub because of the US military (eg Lockheed).
To your point I think Tolkien may not have liked his symbol for greatness and values being used this way. However, Tolkien had some fairly racist (or at a minimum, thought I abhor the word “problematic”) depictions of races in his fantastical middle earth races. The kind of made the dwarves out to be Jews and the Orcs clearly play on deep European fears of oriental invasion from the east. In Tolkein’s words:
> squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.
I see these things as Tolkien mostly being a product of his time, but the contemporary far right sure does like to talk a lot about how they’re “defending western civilization”. So I think there’s a case to be made that Anduril sees refocusing Silicon Valley to equipping western militaries with the tools to defend against “eastern invasion” as an honest homage to its namesake.
Don’t get me wrong, I hate the contemporary right and think Anduril is all hat and no cattle (though I hope their existence gets the Primes to figure out how to do more with less). But I just don’t think it’s easy for us to infer what 1950s Tolkein would have thought about all of this. I don’t think Peter Jackson (whose adaptation we all love) would support it.
I would probably argue that he’d be offended by the industrial, inhuman nature of the product rather than specifically its use in war.
Of course, an industrial, inhuman thing’s use in war would be all the worse, but I mean to make the point that Tolkien isn’t inherently anti-war like the above comment implies. If a war was worth fighting morally (WWII vs Nazi’s, Middle Earth vs. Mordor) he was for it, but saw it as a tragedy nonetheless.
To quote Faramir, who Tolkien himself said he most identified with, “I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.”
Doubt any of these chodes have read his novels in their entirety. They just ask AI to summarize them and their nubs hard up when they hear the character names.
Yeah. In a book that is about war very much.
But it's fantasy, the good guys win.
This thing will be bought instead of schools, then people get more dumb (like americans and russians and religious dumbfucks who hate muslims and religious dumbfucks who hate jews and hindus) and less fantasy wars means more real wars because of more dumb people.
In the end with handguns and Sticks.
Lol okay bro. They found a way to fight wars using a cheaper aircraft that puts less lives at risk and everyone is crying about it. We should all just disband our militaries and sing kumbaya right?
This is really the main reason for a lot of military R&D.
When you’re both democratic and capitalist, you need to figure out how to fight wars risking the least amount of lives possible and in the cheapest way possible, because death and dollars stack quickly in war.
Bleeding heart virtue signaling reddit will never understand.
The seeing stones made by the Numenoreans and then turned by Sauron and used to corrupt Denethor and Saruman. I feel like naming a company that is like, "tell me you didn't read the books without saying you didn't read the books"
I’ve been thinking about when we’ll see the next Agincourt moment. Where legacy system is usurped by something cheaper and more plentiful.
Back then it was English Longbow that contributed to English defeating French Knights at the battle for Agincourt.
When one of these unmanned systems takes out 4/5 generation fighter then we’ve crossed that point.
I’m never one to be anti military but I think as a country we need to rethink manned bombers, aircraft carriers and fighter jets.
You don’t need a hypersonic missile to take out an aircraft carrier. A drone boat like what Ukraine has will work. Even if countermeasures can stop most they’ll eventually fail when small unmanned system reach critical mass and overwhelm short range defenses.
No but the democratizing of technology means someone with limited resources can design an unmanned platform that can easily scale.
I imagine torpedoes aren’t something you can easily buy outside the approved sources of supply.
Why SUAS is a concern is the outsized impact they have.
During US involvement in Syria, the Air Force had to fly EC-130 to counter ISIS drones.
A system that might cost them a few thousand and poses a minimal threat requires the US to spend 10-15k plus per flight hour. This is just for electronic countermeasures.
During a talk on network centric warfare a CENTCOM general mentioned a coalition partner using Patriot missile to bring down a ISIS drone.
They use a multi million dollar missile to knock out drone that probably cost $20k.
It’s not the capabilities that unmanned systems present that matter.
It’s the asymmetrical costs that are the issue. You’re using a multimillion missile to counter the system that cost thousands and can be produced at scale easily.
I wonder how maneuverable this is. Whether anyone likes it or not, autonomous aircraft are the future. If you have a manned aircraft that can pull 10Gs due to human limitations dogfighting an unmanned one that can pull 20+, it’s pretty clear who will win
That is a popular myth that has it totally backwards. If you look at every modern fighter out there today, I guarantee you the pilot can pull more G than the airplane.
The 9G limit on the F-16 and the F22 and the F15 is not for the pilot. It’s because the airframe will bend and deform above that. Pilots over-G fighter jets all the time.
And this thing? This thing is a toy. Turns out that if you want to carry six AIM120s to 35,000 feet and Mach one, you need a pretty big airplane because you need some pretty big engines and a pretty big fuel tank.
But figher jets are designed around the human. Currently it’s jets that can pull 10Gs against missiles that can pull 20 to 30Gs. It’s not like were near the limit of physics with current aircraft
You don’t get it. A 55,000 pound airplane carrying 18,000 pounds of fuel and 2,000 pounds of missiles can’t be made structurally sound enough to withstand more than nine Gs and still be light enough to fly (without the unit cost of being like $250 million per airplane). **Pilots are not the reason the 9G limit is where it is.**
In testing humans have successfully sustained over 11 Gs. With acclamation and proper fitness, humans could probably repeatedly do 12 to 13Gs in short bursts.
> It’s not like were near the limit of physics with current aircraft
Yeah, we kinda are. The missiles can do that because they weigh *1%* of what the airplane weighs.
Supposedly about 9g, but it's kinda pointless to make a 20g aircraft. The utility of hard maneuvering nowadays is questionable due to BVR and off-boresight WVR missiles, and to be able to do that, the structure needs to be massively reinforced. For all that it won't even be able to sustain that turn rate anyway. Induced drag increases with the square of the load factor, so at 20gs, it's facing 400 times the drag of level flight. A modern fighter can sustain like 5gs without losing energy on full burner.
Watched this last night and was kind of horrified. A bunch of flip flop wearing tech bros who have never been in the military telling me that unmanned AI is the future of warfare.
I was thinking the whole time, what's the one thing that deters war in the first place? It's the human toll.
If we’re at the point where we’re slinging nukes at each other then whether or not a UAV can autonomously decide whether or not to shoot a missile is the least of our concerns.
The plane is inside a test chamber in Costa Mesa. It’s not a secret. He’s trying so hard to hype it up. He’s in competition with General Atomics, the one that built the MQ-9 Reaper.
https://www.airdatanews.com/first-us-air-force-unmanned-fighter-begins-ground-testing/#
Wait until these weapons bros run up against the mountains of paperwork it takes to sell to the Pentagon. Most airplane parts take enough paperwork to outweigh the part if you printed it out. That's why you end up paying $1000 for a special wrench.
If the company is named after something from Lord of the Rings I can put good money on it being connected to Peter Thiel or other techbro Yarvin followers.
As an aircraft mechanic, we will see how well this thing performs i guess.
The CCA is actually super cool. But we definitely shouldn’t be giving kill switches to algorithms. Ultimately it’s people who need to be accountable.
That short film from years ago, “Slaughterbots” is officially a reality.
https://youtu.be/O-2tpwW0kmU?si=CGMcMX8SOHi3V_yp
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