The flaw with that question is did American culture really exist before the Irish, Italians, Germans, and English came over? One could argue those immigrants created it with their influences. Regardless, those people built America into a success story whereas you could argue places like the EU are experiencing the opposite effect.
Those groups I mentioned came over as early as 1500 though. The point is before that there were really only the natives but I'd hesitate to call their traditions "American culture" because nobody practices them today.
For instance, Pumpkins on Halloween were an Irish and Scottish thing they brought over but most of America still does it.
Maybe ireland should take in all the Syrian/Palestinian refugees? They are so vocal about it, why not act on it. Look at ireland, they stopped with all the terrorist shit, maybe they can deradicalize the Syrians and Palestinians?
Do you know why Ireland "stopped with all the terrorist shit"? It's because the rules of oppression in NI were for the most part drawn back and removed. There were still moments afterwards but the peace held because the tyranny was mostly gone.
You cannot expect people to stop resisting tyranny just because you keep murdering, torturing and debasing them. Those things only inflame the hatred of the next generations.
Your only options are utterly obliterate all of them, to essentially the last man woman and child. Or you can let them be free. Everything else is a half measure that only delays the inevitable.
Technically you can also conquer and integrate them, but that only really works if you have a much larger nation and can spread them all out throughout your nation to destroy their culture, but that's not applicable here. You can also sometimes re-house them elsewhere on the globe, but once again, not applicable and even then that solution is a double edged blade.
I'm literally Irish, I'd know. And there is a distinct difference between terrorism and resisting tyranny. The "new ira" are not fighting tyranny, they are just a gang of drug dealers. They don't have the support of the public in the north, which is the defining factor of a resistance movement versus a terrorist group.
It'd be funny if Americans could realize just how ironic it is that they live in a nation that wouldn't exist without people they would now consider terrorists. As it is it's just sad that the brainwashing has gone so far.
Bro I was listed the methods that work. I wasn't saying they are good. They are incredibly immoral. But they work.
And by the way, the conquer and integrate goes back waaaay farther than Islamic imperialism. Hell it goes back farther than the Mongolians, the Romans. The earliest known culture I'm aware of that did it and succeeded in doing it was the Babylonians. Though I have seen sparse research that the Yangshao engaged in the practice earlier. Records going back that far are hard to trust though.
And there's a reason I said re-housing an ethic group elsewhere is a double edged sword. It almost always leads to war and the anhillation of the majority of the indigeonous (or re-housed, if they lose) populations. With the biggest examples of this being Australia, the USA and Ireland. Though there are a few semi success stories like the Byzantines who integrated both the natives and foreign Romans over hundreds of years and became the dominant world power.
Yes and it is seen in all human groups. Look at the Dorset people who later became the Inuit. They genocide-d the Thule people when they got to Hudson Bay. This was \~1250AD before European contact as colloquially known.
The end of the Troubles as we know it was in 1998 with the Good Friday Agreement. It’s pretty well recognised here as the end of it officially, anyways. There were residual hostilities for sure, but now all the paramilitaries do is work in the drug trade lmao.
True but I'll give the above guy some credit, even though I doubt they'd do the same. The weapons were partially imported from the USA and there was a distinct affect on illegal weapon imports after 9/11.
Though I would argue that has waaay less to do with terrorism not being popular and way more to do with airports checking bags after 9/11.
But even as a contributing factor the slowing of weapon imports was only a small factor, with the GFA being many times more important.
The frequency of rebel attacks had also decreased and they had less support within Ireland itself, especially ones committed by splinter groups after the GFA where civilians were targeted.
Ireland wasn’t “deradicalised”, an agreement with the occupiers was reached. An agreement that would never have been possible without the actions of terrorists.
You want Palestine to stop making terrorists? Israel needs to stop occupying Palestine. It’s that simple.
The point when you are defending genocide because of “feelings” is when you should be looking in the mirror and questioning where exactly your morals lie.
I was not defending genocide. I was pointing out that there are TWO genocides taking place. One against Israelis and another against Palestinians.
Hamas wants an end to Israel.
So does a number of other factions and states. Like I said, a genocide does not need to be successful to be considered genocide.
An attempt to erase a people or culture is considered genocide and Israel has lived with people who have been making that attempt for 80 years.
You should probably go see a medical professional. The amount of times you declare to be sick is not normal. If you have the flu it might explain your lack of reading comprehension and incoherent replies.
It's but semantics, if it were that simple then it would have been solved by now you would imagine. If the terrorists are not being terrorists for funsies, have you considered that Israel may also not "occupy" just for funsies? Or you were able to conclude one side is right and one is wrong with your nuanced and complete knowledge of the whole thing
Also trying to boil my points down to one side being “wrong” or “right” when I’m being credible accusations of genocide and occupation to one of the sides is incredibly disingenuous.
This is not a “both sides” situation.
One has complete and total control of another people.
Oh sorry, I responded before you edited your comment to say something else.
You're displaying the same historical blindless you cried about a few minutes ago. Israel did leave Gaza before. They make deals with the terrorists all the time. The terrorists always attack again. It's not because they're oppressed, it's because they want to eradicate Israel.
I didn’t “say something else”, I fleshed out what I was saying.
I never changed my question to you.
So I think you’re confused on what I’m talking about when I say Israel is occupying Palestine. You seem to think that only covers boots on the ground. Yes, there have been periods where they have physically withdrawn from the country, yet what has remained are the systemic apartheid laws.
All forms of occupation need to end for there to be peace.
Are you so seriously behind in this topic that you’re using from the river to the sea? Did you stop following along a year ago?
So Hamas changed its charter to no longer state their desire for the destruction of Israel? I'm glad the protestors on all those college campuses stopped using it after it was banned in all their spaces for hate speech, it hasn't stopped the Gazan government from using it.
Alright man, if you want to muddy the waters and discuss the intricacies of political chants while the topic is oppression and genocide, go ahead, but you’ll have to find another sucker ✌️
Hamas, as part of its revised 2017 charter, rejected "any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea", referring to all areas of former Mandatory Palestine and by extension, the end of Jewish sovereignty in the region.^([3])^([37])^([38])^([39])Palestinian Islamic Jihad declared that "from the river to the sea – [Palestine] is an Arab Islamic land that [it] is legally forbidden from abandoning any inch of, and the Israeli presence in Palestine is a null existence, which is forbidden by law to recognize.^([40])Islamists have used a version "Palestine is Islamic from the river to the sea".^([41])
The fact you kept trying to argue about a chant after I already called out your obfuscation and deflection attempt away from my discourse about genocide and occupation.
And if I asked you why you think Hamas won’t stop, you’ll use the chant as evidence for that.
Palestinian people aren’t some sub breed of humans only intent on killing. They are a people that have been systematically backed into a corner for generations, creating a breeding ground for terrorists.
Take away the breeding grounds, take away the terrorists. I’ll say it again; it’s that simple.
Take away the breeding ground, take away the terrorists. I’ll say it again; it’s that simple.
We can agree on that at least. Bulldoze the entirety of Gaza and move the terror enablers elsewhere. Anything else is enabling genocide, by not rejecting, which is participating.
You must be a marxist. Has your rejection of genocide stopped any genocides today, or does it just give you a warm and fuzzy knowing how morally superior you are?
You're a pretty shit intellectual. Your comments get edited so much it's like you're having a conversation with yourself. Leave multiple comments instead like a regular schizo.
What have these terror attacks done to solve this "occupational apartheid genocide"? Nothing, except get more people killed.
You see them as the plucky underdogs, so they must be the good guys. The good guys in star wars were rebels too, right? Your ignorance is only comedy at this point.
Israel has a right to defend itself and will continue to do so despite a whiney children in the west crying about it online because they were captivated by tiktok videos financed by Qatar and the Muslim brotherhood. They have a term for people who do that, "useful idiot". Don't be a "useful idiot" and simp for a group of people that treat 51% of the population as 2nd class citizens and property of their husbands, let alone their treatment of gay people.
If they had their way and genocided every jew, they then would turn on the west.
It's kind of easy to argue that Israel is having their way and genociding every Gazan.
They're not defending themselves at this point. They're manufacturing an enemy to fight in 20 years.
There isn't an easy out for Israel in Gaza right now and out of all the options they have, they're choosing the worst one: Genocide. It's not hard to see we'll look back on this in 10, 20, 50 years and see who the bad guys were. Unless Israel is somehow able to rewrite world history, history will remember them as tyrants.
Yes Oct 7 was really bad. Yes I condemn Hamas. That doesn't change that there are innocent people dying in Gaza right now on a disproportionate scale compared to Oct 7. Israel, in the position of strength has the opportunity to show restraint and exit the conflict with grace and dignity but they choose not to and instead continue to commit more war crimes.
people dying in Gaza right now on a disproportionate scale compared to Oct 7
Please name another war that this excuse was used? Was there people saying that the Allies should stop because an equal number of Germans killed?
Palestinians were offered 2 state plenty of time but will never live with jewish people not being under their thumb. The very notion of Isreal exisiting pisses off the muslim brotherhood.
If the objective is to drag the genocide on for as long as possible to inflict as much suffering as possible, Israel is succeeding at that.
Please name another war that this excuse was used?
You equate war as if this is a conflict where-in both sides are on equal footing. Gaza and Israel are not equals. Gaza is a country that has been effectively blockaded and controlled for the past 30 something years. It has been prevented from integrating into the world economy to achieve economic prosperity and instead been one big giant concentration camp. If you want comparisons, you could probably make some parallels between the jews that were rounded up during the holocaust and put into camps. Israel, a country of jews that have an tragic history with the holocaust seems intent on repeating the holocaust only the side of the perpetrators.
Lets be real here. A two state solution is not even viable solution because the Israeli government is content on allowing funds to reach Hamas to prevent such a scenario occurring. The Israeli government was content to allow their own citizens to die on Oct 7 than to see a two state solution. If you think for a second that Gazans are the barrier to preventing a two state solution, you are lying to yourself. I'll just say this, if both sides didn't hate each other so much, they would have come to a solution already. But the hate perpetuates throughout generations for people event unrelated to the hate. Like the old Russian idiom, better to hate your neighbours than to improve your own situation.
You equate war as if this is a conflict where-in both sides are on equal footing.
Do you honestly think that Sinwar (in case you don't know, but leader of Hamas during 10/7) didn't know that he could win on a military level? This is a proxy war played out on the lives of the Palestinian people. Maybe you should be mad at Qutar and Iran?
Nobody said they don't have the right to defend themselves. They just seem to be lacking the means. Traditionally, countries without the means to fight their neighbors tried to avoid mass murdering and raping of said neighbors to avoid situations like the current one in Gaza. Hamas seems to lack that wisdom. FAFO
Palestine started this war in the most inhumane way possible, maybe don't start wars? Rape and kidnapping isn't a valid weapon of resistance in my book bud.
They have had many options to have their own country and will never accept that they need to share the land with jewish people. In their eyes the only peace is genocide of the jewish people.
The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 was not in any way substantively different to the Sunnigdale Agreement of 1973.
A devolved, power-sharing Assembly with a mandatory coalition government comprised of unionists and nationalists, and an undertaking that if the majority of the population of Northern Ireland voted for Irish reunification, then the British government would respect it and implement.
If the Agreement reached in 1998 was almost identical to the agreement reached in 1973, then what exactly did the subsequent 25 years of murder, violence and mayhem achieve?
Unionist opposition was the cause of that agreement collapsing. Incredibly disingenuous to imply otherwise and not just historically inaccurate, dangerous.
Israel has a right to defend itself and will continue to do so despite a whiney children in the west crying about it online because they were captivated by tiktok videos financed by Qatar and the Muslim brotherhood. They have a term for people who do that, "useful idiot". Don't be a "useful idiot" and simp for a group of people that treat 51% of the population as 2nd class citizens and property of their husbands, let alone their treatment of gay people.
Look at ireland, they stopped with all the terrorist shit, maybe they can deradicalize the
Ireland didn't deradicalise, they won. Twice they forced the British to the table, and the first time they were the largest empire in history at the peak of it's size, on Irelands doorstep.
If you love Israel so much, you don't want Palestinians learning anything from Ireland.
There was a similar ethos in smaller splinter groups of the IRA, see the Omagh bombing that was done in response to peace talks. The British could have used that as justification for continuing the conflict, but they wanted peace, Israel don't.
Starting a war and then getting your ass handed to you isn't genocide. The allied powers didn't "genocide" the nazis. Using the most extreme rhetoric for everything is crying wolf, and we all know how that story turned out.
Irish terrorists were revolutionaries who were fighting against British occupation. Similar to how Russian and russian-speaking Jewish revolutionaries did the same terrorist stuff. But you don't remember Russian and Jewish terrorists. The truth is that Islamic terrorism is fundamentally different
The Irish people in America would fund the IRA. Why should the US bring in people who aren’t going to let go of the cultural rivalries in a new country.
The American 'Irish' cosplayers are the only people out there who want the violence to continue. Actual Irish people - the ones living in Ireland - are glad the violence stopped and want to move on from it.
Americans wanting to fund an overseas terror group has nothing to do with the country their great-great-great-grandfather came from and everything to do with them being American.
Wherever they go they play phonk music while dressed like Cillian Murphy. And when they threaten you they'll say stuff like "paddy! Mother Ireland! Yee! Obrien! Potato! You'll do fookin nottin"
Blacks have been here far longer than Italians and are still mostly unassimilated. The gypsies have been in Europe over 1000 years and never assimilated.
They have, this person just doesnt like it lol. Any extra culture scares some people. Plus its not like they have had issues integrating until pretty recently thanks to the government shitting on them and people like this dude thinking they aren't part of this country causing trust issues.
Most ethnic groups do the ethnic gang and then adapt thing. Some groups stay strongly sub cultured for longer though. Certain Hispanic (Mexicans in CA and Puerto Ricans in NY) and black areas frequently do not assimilate as fast but I think there’s more assimilation than is sometimes recognized.
Filipinos seemingly skipped the gang part though they seem unique in that. In the US anyways. They seem to be remarkably adaptable people with notably low gang culture adoption. I’m certain there’s exceptions but for a pretty prevalent immigrant group in the US, they really do not seem to fall into this.
I do live on the east coast and so there’s a lot less of them over here than the west coast but I haven’t seen them make gangs here and not really heard of them making gangs over there.
I think one of the biggest drivers of assimilation is whether a group is reaching enough critical mass to recreate its own culture in another country within a short time period. This is why sudden, large-scale migration leads to worse assimilation, because they just do things the way they used to back home. The best example may be Muslims in the UK vs in America. American ones have no cohesive cultural identity and are much more assimilated, while the UK ones are sometimes so religious (at least they pretend to be), it weirds out regular people from actual Muslim countries.
Another thing has to do with cultural identity. Those who are proud of their culture retain it better than those who don't have that same level of cultural identity or pride.
The mafia never 'ended' lol, it just changed it's name to New World Order, minus the New part.
You are watching to much sopranos, Luciano clearly said
If is good for business it is good for us
Back then Italians had the primitive idea that inbreeding and 'staying in the family' was a good thing or that it was even manageable not accounting for the fact that their offsprings would not care about their ideology or not follow in their footsteps.
Same for the child of the upper Jews, upper Nazis (Elon), upper Italians, etc,etc..
All that bullshit does not matter, so what they did? united under a single banner, the money banner, now instead of being split into 'groups' they are just one entity that control everything, is easier for then to keep us on leash this way.
The mafia is still there, a thousand times more powerful than 100 years ago, BUT they are in the media all time, politicians, celebrities, we got Apartheid boy in the WH (SA), we got Soros (Jewish),Trump (German)
See? the mafia, but this time they figured all that blood stuff is useless since the society they created also corrupted their own children (Elon's son)
I miss the days when people were xenophobic towards Italians and the Irish, now we're all just White people and we're expected to be the same. I mean the ethnic slurs that are "meant" for me are lame. Polack? That's just the word Polak which means male Pole.
“For example, one book used in classrooms claims black people built Stonehenge, whilst free resources produced by a subject organisation celebrate the genital mutilation of a slave as a form of ‘gender transition’.”
Its research showed that key elements of British history have been dropped by schools as fewer than one in five teach the Battle of Agincourt and only 11 per cent include the Battles of Trafalgar and Waterloo.
be foreigner group
land on American shores to escape home problems
“bring disease” “steal jobs” "lazy"
newspapers print “invasion” every day
mobs bully my people
live overcrowded
bosses warn they’ll undercut wages for their “cheap labor”
be Irish immigrants
My opinion is that we should have deported every I-talian involved in the Mob and we should have deported every Irishman involved in the New Yorker draft riots and Fenian Raids.
Sharky-Li@reddit
The flaw with that question is did American culture really exist before the Irish, Italians, Germans, and English came over? One could argue those immigrants created it with their influences. Regardless, those people built America into a success story whereas you could argue places like the EU are experiencing the opposite effect.
IngFavalli@reddit
Did american culture exist before the 1920s? Yes
Sharky-Li@reddit
Those groups I mentioned came over as early as 1500 though. The point is before that there were really only the natives but I'd hesitate to call their traditions "American culture" because nobody practices them today.
For instance, Pumpkins on Halloween were an Irish and Scottish thing they brought over but most of America still does it.
DrDMango@reddit
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Old-Ask4030@reddit
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2-inches-of-fail@reddit
I had an Irish friend that insisted all terrorists were Muslim. The fucking hypocrisy.
MangoShadeTree@reddit
Maybe ireland should take in all the Syrian/Palestinian refugees? They are so vocal about it, why not act on it. Look at ireland, they stopped with all the terrorist shit, maybe they can deradicalize the Syrians and Palestinians?
Careless-Manager-725@reddit
They have genius
The-Squirrelk@reddit
Do you know why Ireland "stopped with all the terrorist shit"? It's because the rules of oppression in NI were for the most part drawn back and removed. There were still moments afterwards but the peace held because the tyranny was mostly gone.
You cannot expect people to stop resisting tyranny just because you keep murdering, torturing and debasing them. Those things only inflame the hatred of the next generations.
Your only options are utterly obliterate all of them, to essentially the last man woman and child. Or you can let them be free. Everything else is a half measure that only delays the inevitable.
Technically you can also conquer and integrate them, but that only really works if you have a much larger nation and can spread them all out throughout your nation to destroy their culture, but that's not applicable here. You can also sometimes re-house them elsewhere on the globe, but once again, not applicable and even then that solution is a double edged blade.
auto98@reddit
Just for reference, Irish terrorism has been greatly reduced, but it hasn't stopped
The-Squirrelk@reddit
I'm literally Irish, I'd know. And there is a distinct difference between terrorism and resisting tyranny. The "new ira" are not fighting tyranny, they are just a gang of drug dealers. They don't have the support of the public in the north, which is the defining factor of a resistance movement versus a terrorist group.
It'd be funny if Americans could realize just how ironic it is that they live in a nation that wouldn't exist without people they would now consider terrorists. As it is it's just sad that the brainwashing has gone so far.
MangoShadeTree@reddit
Where have I heard that before?
O wait, thats textbook islamic imperialism.
like islamists destroying world heritage sites and how they are decimating cultures in SEA?
Have you ever read about what happened when Egypt and Jordan accepted a ton of Palestinians in? Yeah, read up.
The-Squirrelk@reddit
Bro I was listed the methods that work. I wasn't saying they are good. They are incredibly immoral. But they work.
And by the way, the conquer and integrate goes back waaaay farther than Islamic imperialism. Hell it goes back farther than the Mongolians, the Romans. The earliest known culture I'm aware of that did it and succeeded in doing it was the Babylonians. Though I have seen sparse research that the Yangshao engaged in the practice earlier. Records going back that far are hard to trust though.
And there's a reason I said re-housing an ethic group elsewhere is a double edged sword. It almost always leads to war and the anhillation of the majority of the indigeonous (or re-housed, if they lose) populations. With the biggest examples of this being Australia, the USA and Ireland. Though there are a few semi success stories like the Byzantines who integrated both the natives and foreign Romans over hundreds of years and became the dominant world power.
MangoShadeTree@reddit
Yes and it is seen in all human groups. Look at the Dorset people who later became the Inuit. They genocide-d the Thule people when they got to Hudson Bay. This was \~1250AD before European contact as colloquially known.
thermitethrowaway@reddit
Yes, because after 9/11 "Irish" people in the US became less dewy-eyed about what terrorism actually was, which wasn't a romantic struggle
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2023/0523/1385280-ira-decommission/
That link is the Irish national broadcaster, RTE
leedler@reddit
???
The end of the Troubles as we know it was in 1998 with the Good Friday Agreement. It’s pretty well recognised here as the end of it officially, anyways. There were residual hostilities for sure, but now all the paramilitaries do is work in the drug trade lmao.
vitringur@reddit
The good friday agreement was way before 2001.
The-Squirrelk@reddit
True but I'll give the above guy some credit, even though I doubt they'd do the same. The weapons were partially imported from the USA and there was a distinct affect on illegal weapon imports after 9/11.
Though I would argue that has waaay less to do with terrorism not being popular and way more to do with airports checking bags after 9/11.
But even as a contributing factor the slowing of weapon imports was only a small factor, with the GFA being many times more important.
vitringur@reddit
The frequency of rebel attacks had also decreased and they had less support within Ireland itself, especially ones committed by splinter groups after the GFA where civilians were targeted.
Free-Design-8329@reddit
Oy vey, how could you leak mossad secrets agent schlomo
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
How completely historically blind.
Ireland wasn’t “deradicalised”, an agreement with the occupiers was reached. An agreement that would never have been possible without the actions of terrorists.
You want Palestine to stop making terrorists? Israel needs to stop occupying Palestine. It’s that simple.
vitringur@reddit
Three times have the neighbouring countries of Israel declared war on them with the goal of wiping them of the map.
When you say Israel occupies Palestine, you mean that Israel is inherently Palestine.
People often forget that the genocide goes both ways.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Oh, almost as if Israel is a settlement on palestra land? Hmmmmmmm
vitringur@reddit
There are two genocides on going. By definition, an attempt at genocide does not need to be successful to be classified as genocide.
You are just pointing out and repeating that one side does indeed want to wipe Israel off the map.
They tried three times and that is still their official goal.
So no wonder the Israelis are terrified and have no mercy towards their enemies, since they have been facing genocide for 80 years at this point.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Jesus Christ.
The point when you are defending genocide because of “feelings” is when you should be looking in the mirror and questioning where exactly your morals lie.
vitringur@reddit
I was not defending genocide. I was pointing out that there are TWO genocides taking place. One against Israelis and another against Palestinians.
So does a number of other factions and states. Like I said, a genocide does not need to be successful to be considered genocide. An attempt to erase a people or culture is considered genocide and Israel has lived with people who have been making that attempt for 80 years.
You should probably go see a medical professional. The amount of times you declare to be sick is not normal. If you have the flu it might explain your lack of reading comprehension and incoherent replies.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
I explained exactly how you were.
By engaging in false equivalence.
Which you are so intent on continuing to do, so I see no reason to engage with you further.
Reynarok@reddit
How can you call someone historically blind and follow up with that absolute nonsense?
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
How exactly is calling for Israel to end its occupation nonsense?
Vall3y@reddit
Was 9/11 also done by oppressed people?
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Yes? This is a question for you? Read some god damn political historical literature. I suggest Noam Chomsky.
Alternative_Switch39@reddit
lmao
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Hey they won’t get nuked here, this board is far more lenient lmao, hit me with another
Alternative_Switch39@reddit
lmao
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Alternative_Switch39@reddit
How about this...
You're a conspiracy theorist
....
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Why is it if you automatically assume somethings a conspiracy that means it’s wrong lmao
I’ve never seen such a crash out from something as small as lmao 🤣
Alternative_Switch39@reddit
lmao
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Alternative_Switch39@reddit
lmao
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Alternative_Switch39@reddit
...lmao
Alternative_Switch39@reddit
lmao
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Lmao, the comments got nuked right from you calling that guy a conspiracy theorist
Also your jimmies are so rustled you’re stalking my comment
Do t be retarded
AntiProtonBoy@reddit
The nonsense part was making the assertion "it’s that simple". In reality nothing ever is.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
So your issue is solely semantics? I suspect otherwise.
Vall3y@reddit
It's but semantics, if it were that simple then it would have been solved by now you would imagine. If the terrorists are not being terrorists for funsies, have you considered that Israel may also not "occupy" just for funsies? Or you were able to conclude one side is right and one is wrong with your nuanced and complete knowledge of the whole thing
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Also trying to boil my points down to one side being “wrong” or “right” when I’m being credible accusations of genocide and occupation to one of the sides is incredibly disingenuous.
This is not a “both sides” situation.
One has complete and total control of another people.
But yeah Hamas bad lmao.
Read some Noam Chomsky.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Are you them? I know their purely semantics. Their comment was arguing that though.
You can read the multitude of comments already here on this topic but I won’t engage with you further.
AntiProtonBoy@reddit
Nah, not interested in a tennis match.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Huh, yet you still felt the need to type and hit send
Reynarok@reddit
The idea that Palestine will stop producing terrorists to attack them if Israel leaves is pure unadulterated foolishness.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Yeah I can tell you think that. I’m asking you why you think that, not just to tell me what you think again.
Reynarok@reddit
Oh sorry, I responded before you edited your comment to say something else.
You're displaying the same historical blindless you cried about a few minutes ago. Israel did leave Gaza before. They make deals with the terrorists all the time. The terrorists always attack again. It's not because they're oppressed, it's because they want to eradicate Israel.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
I didn’t “say something else”, I fleshed out what I was saying.
I never changed my question to you.
So I think you’re confused on what I’m talking about when I say Israel is occupying Palestine. You seem to think that only covers boots on the ground. Yes, there have been periods where they have physically withdrawn from the country, yet what has remained are the systemic apartheid laws.
All forms of occupation need to end for there to be peace.
Reynarok@reddit
The only peace for the terrorists is when Israel no longer exists. What do you think they mean by "from the river to the sea"?
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Sounds a helluva lot like Tiocadh ar lá lmao almost as if political chants are just exactly that, a political chants.
Are you so seriously behind in this topic that you’re using from the river to the sea? Did you stop following a year ago?
Here, since you’re asking, this will have every answer to your question: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
Reynarok@reddit
So Hamas changed its charter to no longer state their desire for the destruction of Israel? I'm glad the protestors on all those college campuses stopped using it after it was banned in all their spaces for hate speech, it hasn't stopped the Gazan government from using it.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Alright man, if you want to muddy the waters and discuss the intricacies of political chants while the topic is oppression and genocide, go ahead, but you’ll have to find another sucker ✌️
Reynarok@reddit
From your own link, fool.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
I’m well aware 😆
The fact you kept trying to argue about a chant after I already called out your obfuscation and deflection attempt away from my discourse about genocide and occupation.
You’re being obvious
Reynarok@reddit
It's not about the chant.
Hamas will not stop until either they or Israel is destroyed.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
You sure made it about the chant.
And if I asked you why you think Hamas won’t stop, you’ll use the chant as evidence for that.
Palestinian people aren’t some sub breed of humans only intent on killing. They are a people that have been systematically backed into a corner for generations, creating a breeding ground for terrorists.
Take away the breeding grounds, take away the terrorists. I’ll say it again; it’s that simple.
Reynarok@reddit
We can agree on that at least. Bulldoze the entirety of Gaza and move the terror enablers elsewhere. Anything else is enabling genocide, by not rejecting, which is participating.
You must be a marxist. Has your rejection of genocide stopped any genocides today, or does it just give you a warm and fuzzy knowing how morally superior you are?
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Oof, didn’t get past automod, how embarrassing 🙈
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Fucking hell, that’s not what I was saying.
The breeding ground was everything I’ve mentioned. Apartheid laws and decades of occupation. Are you being wilfully ignorant now or what?
Reynarok@reddit
You're a pretty shit intellectual. Your comments get edited so much it's like you're having a conversation with yourself. Leave multiple comments instead like a regular schizo.
What have these terror attacks done to solve this "occupational apartheid genocide"? Nothing, except get more people killed.
You see them as the plucky underdogs, so they must be the good guys. The good guys in star wars were rebels too, right? Your ignorance is only comedy at this point.
Farewell comment clown
Will_McLean@reddit
Israel pretty much pulled out of Gaza 20 years ago
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
You can’t be serious? Are you unaware of what an apartheid is?
BoloRoll@reddit
Reddit and being pretentious never fails
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
If I get called pretentious for saying this stuff I’ll get called it all day
insaneHoshi@reddit
That nonsense was agreed upon in principle in the Oslo accords by Isreal
MangoShadeTree@reddit
Israel has a right to defend itself and will continue to do so despite a whiney children in the west crying about it online because they were captivated by tiktok videos financed by Qatar and the Muslim brotherhood. They have a term for people who do that, "useful idiot". Don't be a "useful idiot" and simp for a group of people that treat 51% of the population as 2nd class citizens and property of their husbands, let alone their treatment of gay people.
If they had their way and genocided every jew, they then would turn on the west.
So yeah, you and what army?
Akira_Yamamoto@reddit
It's kind of easy to argue that Israel is having their way and genociding every Gazan.
They're not defending themselves at this point. They're manufacturing an enemy to fight in 20 years.
There isn't an easy out for Israel in Gaza right now and out of all the options they have, they're choosing the worst one: Genocide. It's not hard to see we'll look back on this in 10, 20, 50 years and see who the bad guys were. Unless Israel is somehow able to rewrite world history, history will remember them as tyrants.
Yes Oct 7 was really bad. Yes I condemn Hamas. That doesn't change that there are innocent people dying in Gaza right now on a disproportionate scale compared to Oct 7. Israel, in the position of strength has the opportunity to show restraint and exit the conflict with grace and dignity but they choose not to and instead continue to commit more war crimes.
MangoShadeTree@reddit
Please name another war that this excuse was used? Was there people saying that the Allies should stop because an equal number of Germans killed?
Palestinians were offered 2 state plenty of time but will never live with jewish people not being under their thumb. The very notion of Isreal exisiting pisses off the muslim brotherhood.
Akira_Yamamoto@reddit
If the objective is to drag the genocide on for as long as possible to inflict as much suffering as possible, Israel is succeeding at that.
You equate war as if this is a conflict where-in both sides are on equal footing. Gaza and Israel are not equals. Gaza is a country that has been effectively blockaded and controlled for the past 30 something years. It has been prevented from integrating into the world economy to achieve economic prosperity and instead been one big giant concentration camp. If you want comparisons, you could probably make some parallels between the jews that were rounded up during the holocaust and put into camps. Israel, a country of jews that have an tragic history with the holocaust seems intent on repeating the holocaust only the side of the perpetrators.
Lets be real here. A two state solution is not even viable solution because the Israeli government is content on allowing funds to reach Hamas to prevent such a scenario occurring. The Israeli government was content to allow their own citizens to die on Oct 7 than to see a two state solution. If you think for a second that Gazans are the barrier to preventing a two state solution, you are lying to yourself. I'll just say this, if both sides didn't hate each other so much, they would have come to a solution already. But the hate perpetuates throughout generations for people event unrelated to the hate. Like the old Russian idiom, better to hate your neighbours than to improve your own situation.
MangoShadeTree@reddit
Do you honestly think that Sinwar (in case you don't know, but leader of Hamas during 10/7) didn't know that he could win on a military level? This is a proxy war played out on the lives of the Palestinian people. Maybe you should be mad at Qutar and Iran?
Free-Design-8329@reddit
Good job ranjeet. 30 cents have been deposited into your account Genocide is a valid defense saars
MangoShadeTree@reddit
wrong country bud
GodlessPerson@reddit
So does Palestine, dumbass.
Jack_Krauser@reddit
Nobody said they don't have the right to defend themselves. They just seem to be lacking the means. Traditionally, countries without the means to fight their neighbors tried to avoid mass murdering and raping of said neighbors to avoid situations like the current one in Gaza. Hamas seems to lack that wisdom. FAFO
MangoShadeTree@reddit
Palestine started this war in the most inhumane way possible, maybe don't start wars? Rape and kidnapping isn't a valid weapon of resistance in my book bud.
They have had many options to have their own country and will never accept that they need to share the land with jewish people. In their eyes the only peace is genocide of the jewish people.
nikoll-toma@reddit
shalom
Mammoth_Juice_6969@reddit
salaam
GodlessPerson@reddit
You think the war started in 2023 or something?
So Israel's defense isn't valid, glad you confirmed that.
Which always implied losing land. Apparently if you don't want to lose land, you must stop existing completely.
Hmmm....
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Fucking feeling that last line
Head-Calligrapher-99@reddit
Too many Israeli users, they need to be IP-banned in the same vein as India and Pakistan.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
If only what has occurred could be in any way considered “defence” by any rational mind.
If only.
TrajanParthicus@reddit
Fake news.
The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 was not in any way substantively different to the Sunnigdale Agreement of 1973.
A devolved, power-sharing Assembly with a mandatory coalition government comprised of unionists and nationalists, and an undertaking that if the majority of the population of Northern Ireland voted for Irish reunification, then the British government would respect it and implement.
If the Agreement reached in 1998 was almost identical to the agreement reached in 1973, then what exactly did the subsequent 25 years of murder, violence and mayhem achieve?
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Going to delete this or…?
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Unionist opposition was the cause of that agreement collapsing. Incredibly disingenuous to imply otherwise and not just historically inaccurate, dangerous.
snrup1@reddit
Yeah Ireland is a horrible example to point to if you arguing that terrorism doesn't work lol.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Judging by my fluctuating upvotes, many don’t seem to agree 🤔
snrup1@reddit
Brits seething over morning tea or something.
shinsnatcher@reddit
Post skin
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
I’m Irish lmao take a guess
MangoShadeTree@reddit
How many Syrian and Palestinian refugees are you guys taking "rescuing"? If you care so much, it should be all of em.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
Okay pal 😆 so glad to have been the receiver of your uninformed, illogical and irrational opinion
MangoShadeTree@reddit
Israel has a right to defend itself and will continue to do so despite a whiney children in the west crying about it online because they were captivated by tiktok videos financed by Qatar and the Muslim brotherhood. They have a term for people who do that, "useful idiot". Don't be a "useful idiot" and simp for a group of people that treat 51% of the population as 2nd class citizens and property of their husbands, let alone their treatment of gay people.
SirGaylordSteambath@reddit
If only what has occurred could be in any way considered “defence” by any rational mind.
If only.
MulvMulv@reddit
Ireland didn't deradicalise, they won. Twice they forced the British to the table, and the first time they were the largest empire in history at the peak of it's size, on Irelands doorstep.
If you love Israel so much, you don't want Palestinians learning anything from Ireland.
MangoShadeTree@reddit
It's as if religon was only a minor part of the irish crap. On the other side there is a accept nothing but total capitulation muslim ethos.
MulvMulv@reddit
There was a similar ethos in smaller splinter groups of the IRA, see the Omagh bombing that was done in response to peace talks. The British could have used that as justification for continuing the conflict, but they wanted peace, Israel don't.
auto98@reddit
Some of those small groups still don't accept it and still do terrorism
iamAliAsghar@reddit
Maybe you should stop being blood thirsty land grabbers and stay in Western countries?
pathoricks@reddit
Israeli or Pajeet, call it
MangoShadeTree@reddit
neither bud, just so we can lay it all on the table, Pro-Ukraine too
Boredy0@reddit
Uh, bro? You can't just call them out on their obvious virtue signalling.
AzenKurtz@reddit
Irish terrorists were revolutionaries who were fighting against British occupation. Similar to how Russian and russian-speaking Jewish revolutionaries did the same terrorist stuff. But you don't remember Russian and Jewish terrorists. The truth is that Islamic terrorism is fundamentally different
BoloRoll@reddit
The Irish people in America would fund the IRA. Why should the US bring in people who aren’t going to let go of the cultural rivalries in a new country.
fangpi2023@reddit
The American 'Irish' cosplayers are the only people out there who want the violence to continue. Actual Irish people - the ones living in Ireland - are glad the violence stopped and want to move on from it.
Americans wanting to fund an overseas terror group has nothing to do with the country their great-great-great-grandfather came from and everything to do with them being American.
MulvMulv@reddit
I can think of a more impressive example that held a grudge for 2000 years that Americans have no problem funding.
stillmahboi@reddit
Yea but the Irish mob is kinda cool tho.
Wherever they go they play phonk music while dressed like Cillian Murphy. And when they threaten you they'll say stuff like "paddy! Mother Ireland! Yee! Obrien! Potato! You'll do fookin nottin"
Other terrorists are just kinda lame
foxy_fem_twink@reddit
Nah they're gimps as well
stillmahboi@reddit
No Conor McGregor is cool
JesusLovesMeHard@reddit
because we know there are just as many irish terrorists as Muslim ones
redditmodsCOPE3000@reddit
That's super messed up to say all of them are terrorists! Just the majority of them ok!
Okami_no_Lobo@reddit
But then they assimilated over generations...
Curiouso_Giorgio@reddit
What ethnic group doesn't?
Schiltrus@reddit
Blacks have been here far longer than Italians and are still mostly unassimilated. The gypsies have been in Europe over 1000 years and never assimilated.
Critical-Ad-5215@reddit
Seeing as how the roma people are discriminated against a lot, I can't blame them for not assimilating
scoots-mcgoot@reddit
Why do retards always say dumb wrong shit like this
Curiouso_Giorgio@reddit
You don't think blacks have assimilated?
Nathan_hale53@reddit
They have, this person just doesnt like it lol. Any extra culture scares some people. Plus its not like they have had issues integrating until pretty recently thanks to the government shitting on them and people like this dude thinking they aren't part of this country causing trust issues.
James_Rustler_@reddit
I wonder if the US ever had a robust system to limit immigration to easily assimilable cultures.
PlasticAssistance_50@reddit
All groups with a non European heritage.
YoNoSoyUnFederale@reddit
Most ethnic groups do the ethnic gang and then adapt thing. Some groups stay strongly sub cultured for longer though. Certain Hispanic (Mexicans in CA and Puerto Ricans in NY) and black areas frequently do not assimilate as fast but I think there’s more assimilation than is sometimes recognized.
Filipinos seemingly skipped the gang part though they seem unique in that. In the US anyways. They seem to be remarkably adaptable people with notably low gang culture adoption. I’m certain there’s exceptions but for a pretty prevalent immigrant group in the US, they really do not seem to fall into this.
I do live on the east coast and so there’s a lot less of them over here than the west coast but I haven’t seen them make gangs here and not really heard of them making gangs over there.
panjeri@reddit
I think one of the biggest drivers of assimilation is whether a group is reaching enough critical mass to recreate its own culture in another country within a short time period. This is why sudden, large-scale migration leads to worse assimilation, because they just do things the way they used to back home. The best example may be Muslims in the UK vs in America. American ones have no cohesive cultural identity and are much more assimilated, while the UK ones are sometimes so religious (at least they pretend to be), it weirds out regular people from actual Muslim countries.
Another thing has to do with cultural identity. Those who are proud of their culture retain it better than those who don't have that same level of cultural identity or pride.
BoloRoll@reddit
The Italians mob only “ended” because they caught a lot of the leaders in like early 2000s. They stuck around for a while
KneeDeepInTheDead@reddit
Mob didnt end, theyre just officialized through the government. Theyre your mayors, governors and police officers
Lost_Extreme_3897@reddit
The mafia never 'ended' lol, it just changed it's name to New World Order, minus the New part.
You are watching to much sopranos, Luciano clearly said
Back then Italians had the primitive idea that inbreeding and 'staying in the family' was a good thing or that it was even manageable not accounting for the fact that their offsprings would not care about their ideology or not follow in their footsteps.
Same for the child of the upper Jews, upper Nazis (Elon), upper Italians, etc,etc..
All that bullshit does not matter, so what they did? united under a single banner, the money banner, now instead of being split into 'groups' they are just one entity that control everything, is easier for then to keep us on leash this way.
The mafia is still there, a thousand times more powerful than 100 years ago, BUT they are in the media all time, politicians, celebrities, we got Apartheid boy in the WH (SA), we got Soros (Jewish),Trump (German)
See? the mafia, but this time they figured all that blood stuff is useless since the society they created also corrupted their own children (Elon's son)
maicii@reddit
Holy schizo
VZialionymLiesie@reddit
No, i believe him
ZMowlcher@reddit
Its almost like being on 4chan.
stillmahboi@reddit
Genuinely the funniest thing I've seen in a while, thx mate.
nihongonobenkyou@reddit
Don't listen to the haters, anon. It's definitely schizo, but we could use more high quality schizo posts here
Liberty_PrimeIsWise@reddit
You better make a tin foil hat before your mind brain is taken over by the italians or whatever
Sufficient-Delay6780@reddit
4chan worthy schizo level
DaerBear69@reddit
Thank God at least a few of these stuck around after 4chan came back up.
snrup1@reddit
CVS has 24 hour pharmacies if you need a script refill.
_Rook_Castle@reddit
refuse to assimilate
Swing and a miss
scoots-mcgoot@reddit
Tell it to that Luigi guy
JesusLovesMeHard@reddit
>italians
>germanic americans didnt consider them white during the prohibition
>italians arent white chud
the Irish weren't considered white either
Legends-Cape@reddit
can this myth die already?
JesusLovesMeHard@reddit
italian: https://i.imgur.com/tfRfVKY.jpeg
irish: https://i.imgur.com/ENTYaYM.jpeg
Legends-Cape@reddit
where does it say they're not white?
JesusLovesMeHard@reddit
lol
FairBandicoot3685@reddit
only sicilians are nonwhite
AstroVan94@reddit
THIS SOUNDS LIME SOME LIE-BERAL HORSE MANUER
Free-Design-8329@reddit
Italians did this?
philmarcracken@reddit
gabagool, whatever happened there?
Brussel_Rand@reddit
I miss the days when people were xenophobic towards Italians and the Irish, now we're all just White people and we're expected to be the same. I mean the ethnic slurs that are "meant" for me are lame. Polack? That's just the word Polak which means male Pole.
Sleep-more-dude@reddit
Be the change you want to see in the world
LundUniversity@reddit
Pic rel
msredMCromance@reddit
Perché noi siamo i migliori
stupidnicks@reddit
all Mafia movies are about Jewish Mafia - they just switched it to Italians to throw them under the bus.
The_real_bandito@reddit
I was about to say, I don't remember learning in school that the original black Africans moving to America.
stillmahboi@reddit
We
WUZ
KANNNNNGGGZZZZ
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
No see they're okay because they're not brown enough.
BtownBlues@reddit
jeez theres just like no difference DAE racists btfo!?XD
Bteatesthighlander1@reddit
somebody has never heard of the New York Political Machine!
Coronabandito@reddit
Although being about 6 percent of American population they don’t commit 113% percent of crime.
EmperorTMing@reddit
But that is an Italian though.
papu16@reddit
Average citizen in Milan. Source: I loved there for a month in 2023
WWWYZZERDDDD@reddit
Wait, I thought they were Englishmen who built Stonehenge
Helihope@reddit
reddit_has_fallenoff@reddit
IN THIS HOUSE MALCOM X IS A HERO, END OF STORY
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BoloRoll@reddit
My opinion is that we should have deported every I-talian involved in the Mob and we should have deported every Irishman involved in the New Yorker draft riots and Fenian Raids.
luvs2hugs@reddit
Momma mia!
vlad_kushner@reddit
Those damn racists... oh wait...