Wasn’t CHYNA supposed to eat the tariffs?
Posted by ENVYisEVIL@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 105 comments

Posted by ENVYisEVIL@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 105 comments
KayleeSinn@reddit
Trump is just a symptom of no good choices. Dems are the worst.. like equity, DEI, they actually want those things.
Trump is a bumbling idiot. And both Elon and him are a pop culture addled fools.
You get one of them. I voted for Trump. Do I regret it..? Yes.. and no. The camel would be worse.
Yes, option 3, vote for some guy who wears a boot on hes head and gets 1%... and then get the Camel anyway. No thanks:(
claybine@reddit
DEI isn't inherently bad.
KayleeSinn@reddit
It is very bad.
It stands for
Diversity - this alone stands in opposition of merit based selection system.
Equity - basically communism, equality of outcome. This should never be tolerated. Like how could anyone support this in the libertarian forum unless it has become commie or something?
Inclusion - I just personally prefer exclusion. Freedom to associate and all that.
claybine@reddit
Being anti-diversity and inclusion (at least) can also go against freedom of association in my opinion. They simply lead to better outcomes if we allow them to exist, especially in job markets.
Many DEI programs that were actually beneficial were cut and will have negative outcomes.
Surely we shouldn't strive for equality of outcomes, but what's best for everyone, specifically the less fortunate, with as little government as possible.
Equity isn't communism. It simply argues for fairness of how they're treated. Communism in its most extreme form is egalitarian to a fault.
KayleeSinn@reddit
So being forced to associate goes against freedom to associate? You do understand that you are supporting the government forcing things on people here, in the libertarian sub? Like are you for real? Everyone should be able to hire who they want to hire and usually getting the most qualified person is selected when the market is free. If you deny a qualified expert because of outward characteristics and your competition picks them all up, guess what happens?
All Government programs need to be cut. Why are you using that tag if you think if you think otherwise
Equality of outcome is communism and should not be strived for. It's equality of opportunity that should be.
Equity is equality of outcome and thus communism. Like if someone from your class becomes a CEO an you become a janitor. Do you think the government should then step in and do something about it? Like maybe tax the CEO until he also makes the janitors wage?
If the government does not step in there will be and should be a huge inequality of outcome. Thats the whole point of the free market. Bad ideas fail, good ideas get rewarded. Same for execution. A badly executed good idea should also fail.
Key-Seaworthiness517@reddit
> All Government programs need to be cut. Why are you using that tag if you think if you think otherwise
People don't have to be absolutists, just picking a popular label, refusing to have even a single belief that doesn't go with it, and insisting everyone that doesn't go along with the predominant set of beliefs doesn't belong. That's just tribalism.
Fancychocolatier@reddit
Exactly. It is when it’s used to discriminate that it’s bad. Sort of like if a government decides to discriminate against people for not having their same beliefs and deciding to deport them.
claybine@reddit
Who discriminates under DEI?
Fancychocolatier@reddit
It can and has been used to do so. The Supreme Court ruled on it in the Students for Fair Admissions case. This doesn’t make DEI inherently bad but it can be used to discriminate unfortunately.
claybine@reddit
It has also been used in some of the programs that the Trump admin abolished that were actually beneficial and would be beneficial if they were applied in the job market without government.
Fancychocolatier@reddit
What’s that have to do with my original point, though? I simply said that DEI can unfortunately be used to discriminate at times. I didn’t say it is discriminatory by nature. I didn’t say we should or should not get rid of DEI programs.
You’re conflating my statement to assume my beliefs on the matter and that’s kind of lame.
claybine@reddit
My point was that for every time it's been used negatively, it's overwhelmingly positive. You gave a marginal case without implying your position.
Fancychocolatier@reddit
Well, that’s on you to infer my point without asking. You’re a libertarian! You should know better than to assume a position based on a statement. Unless you like being called republican sometimes.
claybine@reddit
What position did I assume? Ironically, Republican?
Fancychocolatier@reddit
You assumed I was against DEI efforts carte blanche. Perhaps you also assumed I was republican, which I am absolutely most certainly not.
claybine@reddit
Some people here voted for Trump for their own stupid socially conservative reasons. That being considered, if that assumption were made, I don't take responsibility for it because I think it's justifiable.
KayleeSinn@reddit
The Supreme Court also refuses to even consider the draft which is clearly unconstitutional by any standard. They are hardly the paragon of justice.
Fancychocolatier@reddit
This isn’t germane to the topic. Are you suggesting we disqualify every ruling ever made by the Supreme Court because of this?
skibididibididoo@reddit
A friendly fascist, a tyrant you can trust. Ponies for everyone!
I_NEED_APP_IDEAS@reddit
Trump has lefties defending free trade and rightoids defending price controls. What a timeline
stache1313@reddit
That is one of my favorite parts of this whole debacle. It just shows how unprincipled either party is.
Key-Seaworthiness517@reddit
This is my daily opportunity to advocate for ranked choice voting and advise you to do the same. Don't know why I don't see people talking about it more, especially libertarians, it creates competition and makes it harder to maintain a two-party system.
GlobalFriendship5855@reddit
Look at any political movement comparable to MAGA around the world. They never know what they're for, they only ever know what they are against. That's not how it should work.
I_NEED_APP_IDEAS@reddit
Of course they have principles. My principles are stick with my guy and go against your guy
stache1313@reddit
yep. Tribally oppose the other side.
Upstairs_Being290@reddit
Haven't Democrats been proudly signing free trade agreements for decades?
Sea_Journalist_3615@reddit
It's not free trade if it's planned by the government. That should be obvious. Do you think the patriot act is a good thing too? Free trade means the government doesnt get a say at all. I am not sure why people haven't figured out these really basic market principles yet
Upstairs_Being290@reddit
How you wish words to be defined is irrelevant. Every language's vocabulary is defined by popular use, not by your personal desires no matter how logical you think they are.
For you to walk into a conversation of people using a word in it's typical use, and insist that everyone conform to your use even if it is irrelevant to the conversation, is both immature and ignorant. If we were using "free trade" the way you were using it, then there wouldn't have been a conversation in the first place.
Sea_Journalist_3615@reddit
"How you wish words to be defined is irrelevant."
That is truly the stupid thing I have hear this year.
"Every language's vocabulary is defined by popular use, not by your personal desires no matter how logical you think they are. That's a basic principle of linguistics."
A free market means not intervened in. You are in the wrong sub dude, go to the socialists. It's always meant this. Just because you didn't know that doesn't make me wrong. lol
People suddenly redefining things is stupidity.
"For you to walk into a conversation of people using a word in it's typical use, and insist that everyone conform to your use even if it is irrelevant to the conversation, is both immature and ignorant. If we were using "free trade" the way you were using it, then there wouldn't have been a conversation in the first place because I_NEED_APP_IDEAS's original claim about lefties defending free trade would be nonsensical."
Alright moving on you have no clue what you are talking about.
Soft_Hospital_62@reddit
Dafuq? No
Upstairs_Being290@reddit
Gotta tell the democrats that then?
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/08/clinton-signs-nafta-into-law-dec-8-1993-1040789
https://clintonwhitehouse5.archives.gov/WH/new/html/Tue_Oct_24_163554_2000.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna44989775
https://www.pressherald.com/2016/09/05/obama-trade-deal-dksa-gks-d-gkd-gkskd-gkd/
I_NEED_APP_IDEAS@reddit
Pre Obama democrats != 2025 lefties
Upstairs_Being290@reddit
Obama and Clinton strongly defended free trade too. Where are the 2025 lefties who were not aligned with them that you think are defending free trade now?
DetailTraditional46@reddit
The Bernie bros and the inconsistent left
kwell42@reddit
Trade has been controlled by robots for a while now. There hasn't been much free trade for 10+ years.
BusyatWork69@reddit
Trump is a 1970’s New York democrat….always has been.
buchenrad@reddit
It's almost like neither actually cares about freedom, rights, or the constitution until the bad guys start doing what they have been doing for decades.
Don't worry, with the next change in administration they will flip flop their position again, because their brand of authoritarianism is good.
newjerseytrader@reddit
You guys can say what you want about Trump and he is far from perfect. But as a libertarian, he's way better option than the communists from the left.
FunBadger99@reddit
As a civic libertarian who values the Constitution, I care more about the fact that personal liberties are, in fact, being eviscerated under this administration. If you truly believe, as your flair says, taxation is theft (and I can agree - especially when I'm being taxed to oblivion and have piss poor representation in this government), you should also acknowledge that the increased cost of goods and services related to Trump's tariffs, AND the subsequent stripping of the very few pragmatic infrastructural benefits we get from mandatory taxation in this country by his Republican majority in favor of giving tax breaks to the rich instead of the working class, means that Trump is, quite possibly, the least libertarian of all possible officials.
newjerseytrader@reddit
I agree with everything you said. What did I say that was wrong though?
FunBadger99@reddit
Trump is a better option. He's not. He's the worst of all possible options because he is systematically destroying everything that libertarians are for.
EntropyFrame@reddit
Hating Trump so much you're willing to place Radical Leftists over him.
Was Trump a better option than Kamala Harris, yes or no?
FunBadger99@reddit
My response to you is going to have 2 parts. First will be an answer to your question with reasons for supporting my answer (numbered for convenience). The second part will be an exploration of your verbiage because I find it deeply interesting as it indicates a perceptual demonization of me, a stranger, whose politics you know very little about and I think it's really interesting that you (and every other person in Trump's orbit) parrots when they think they've encountered opposition in the form of critical thought.
Harris was a better choice than Trump. Here is why:
1) Harris supported the freedom to vote act which would have been implemented to curb gerrymandering and some unsightly campaign-finance tactics that have led to the marginalization of some political groups. 2) Harris also supported LGBTQ+ protections. I'm straight, white, have a family, and I don't give a damn who you sleep with, what you do with your genitals, or how you choose to dress. And the Government needs to stay out of the personal lives of grown adults and stop legislating our existence. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are guaranteed to ALL Americans. Not just the ones in my tribe and Trump is systematically destroying the foundation of that promise by removing protections and actively hunting down those who disagree. The argument that Trans people or Gay people are corrupting the youth is absolutely ignorant. If your child is being corrupted by outside influence, that's on you for not parenting better. Parents need to take some personal responsibility for the outcomes of their offspring. 3) She is in favor of term limits for Supreme Court justices & policies that would require them to conform to ethical standards. Every political official should have a limit and be bound, on pain of death, to a code of ethics that is divorced from Religious doctrine. I and most of my youthful compatriots are thoroughly sick of 90 year olds in politics making shortsighted decisions for me and my children because it benefits their bottom line now and they won't be around to suffer the negative consequences of their bad decisions. Limits and ethical codes will ensure a more active discourse and healthy turnover in politics. 4) Her policy plans for supporting workers, unions and small businesses are generally plans I support. I do believe that nobody (even tipped workers) should be forced to make below minimum wage. I don't agree with her raising minimum wage, but ending 4-year degree requirements for some federal jobs, banning the box, investing in small business through tax breaks, and supporting the authority of labor unions are all policies I support. 5) Trump is making an authoritarian push in politics through his fringe MAGA collective (No, MAGA is not Republican and I will die on that hill - I know too many good conservative Republicans who have felt disenfranchised because of Trump's groupies). That is undeniable.
In sum: While there is MUCH about Harris-Walz policy that I would contest, anything is better than the man we have in office right now. Not a single policy he has enacted or tried to push has benefit for the people of this great nation. All he cares about is making his family richer at the expense of the United States' global reputation.
Now on to your categorization of me as a supporter of "Radical Leftists". That's such an interesting Trumpism and it fingers you right away as a Trump supporter who consumes a lot of right-wing news and emotionally-charged click bait on social media. Not a criticism, just an observation about how I've perceived you based on the use of a trigger phrase.
"Radical leftism" is not a real stance in broader American politics. Even AOC isn't as "radically left" as many right-wing talking heads claim. She's merely more left than her moderate counterparts but her policy propositions are largely in line with the wider Democratic agenda. Bernie Sanders is probably the closest thing the US has to a true "radical leftist" in the government and he's not really that "radical" he (and AOC) just support a model of social Republic similar to what they have in the Netherlands. It's not crazy or revolutionary in a wider context, it just feels that way compared to contemporary MAGA ideology. Harris does not conform to the social Republic model of our more left-leaning representatives and that's evident in her policy proposals from her 2024 run.
Sure, many people would consider me radically left because I support drug legalization for adults over the age of 21, unions, LGBTQ rights, and I think gerrymandering is a cheap trick that only bad politicians need to win. But I'm not radically left. I'm radically FOR personal liberty, people's right to hold employers, politicians, and companies accountable, and fair representation in a Representative Republic. Being radically for personal liberty and the rights of the general public doesn't make me leftist and that kind of nuance is something that Trump supporters especially (but Americans more broadly) have started to refuse to acknowledge and that is deeply dangerous.
Have you ever heard of Dietrich Bonhoeffer? He was an incredible philosopher who was hanged by Nazis for speaking out against Hitler. He developed this theory about rationality - he calls it the theory of stupidity (though it's less about being stupid and more about choosing to shut off rational processes in a chaotic environment that makes rational thought and conscientious dissent exceptionally hard, dangerous, or both) - and it reminds me of your phrase "radical leftist". That phrase and those like it coupled with rampant dissemination of misinformation serves a nefarious purpose - to redirect your thoughts patterns with emotional reactivity, halt critical examination, and make you think that complex problems have simple solutions that only one man has totally figured out. It makes you believe that there is one enemy, the "radical leftist" or the "illegal immigrant" or the "deep state", and they are preventing your happiness and prosperity. These phrases make you believe that Trump, and only Trump, can remove that entity and fix a broken system. This gives Trump license to do whatever he says is necessary without oversight or criticism from his base and its the kind of thinking that leads to mass destruction. If you can't criticize him and can't see where he is objectively bad for America, they've successfully shut off your critical thinking with emotional buzz words.
Harris over Trump because Trump and the MAGAsphere are against rationality and are actively working to suppress secular education, research, medicine, voters, and the institutions that make America great. His propaganda machine has leveraged our short attention span and the emotional reactivity encouraged by social media and it's allowed the MAGAsphere and nefarious actors to manipulate so many smart, tenacious, and resourceful people into believing that Trump some kind of political savior because he's tough and chaotic and scary. But the reality is, he isn't tough, scary, or strong, and he definitely isn't going to save us. He's just another arrogant, short-sighted 80 year old political trainwreck but worse because he doesn't understand politics. He is old, feeble, and clearly struggling with poor health. He needs to retire and be with his family in his final years and leave running the country to people who believe in discourse, ethics, and genuine governmental reform rather than those who believe thoughtlessly dismantling the government to concentrate power in the executive branch is the way to make America great.
International_Fig262@reddit
Hypothetical:
Trump's MAGA bullshit lives on after he leaves the party. The Left's defence of free trade completely disappears as they regress back to form. We are then left with 2 parties explicitly opposed to free market Capitalism.
This is a worst-case scenario, and it's well, well, within imagination. Trump has single-handedly done more to move a party away from even a semblance of Libertarian principles than any living American politician in the past 50 years.
I'd rather have 1 highly flawed party that at least has some alignment with my values than 2 black holes. That is what Trump has delivered.
newjerseytrader@reddit
At least I still have the first amendment and second amendment, which is not the case with the Democrats.
International_Fig262@reddit
Except Trump is openly pressuring the FBI to arrest someone for an Instagram post, bragging about exporting students for even peaceful protests, and trying to suspend broadcasting licences for news entities critical of him.
ILikeBumblebees@reddit
/u/newjerseytrader's alternative to communism? Oops, it's also communism!
Rob-Gob-Slob@reddit
These two parties only exist to give the illusion of choice, both have the same destructive policies that end up benefiting the right people.
newjerseytrader@reddit
I completely agree with that. In fact, I agree that all voting in a democracy provides an illusion of choice. I think one of the only ways to preserve autonomy and libertarian ideology is to form small communities that need not rely upon larger, technological industrial society.
Fancychocolatier@reddit
Is he? I would say he is just as bad in different ways. He has repeatedly stomped on the Constitution, he has threatened the judicial branch, has suggested he be king, has made decisions that circumvent congress, has attempted to overturn an election, has implemented tariffs that are checks notes taxes on Americans, he’s attempted to stymy free speech, he’s illegally exported citizens.
How is that any better than what the other side is doing/has done?
serenityfalconfly@reddit
I prefer tariffs over income tax.
user09896894@reddit
You’re still paying income tax.
serenityfalconfly@reddit
The hope is to replace one with the other. Having overtime and tips untaxed is a start.
user09896894@reddit
Hope lol
p4rc0pr3s1s@reddit
So Trump and Kamala both had the same economic plan, but Kamala's would have been price fixing food and health care., which always seems to work well in socialist countries. And Trump isn't sure what the fuck he's doing, but by golly, we're doing stuff and things...
Free trade, 0% tariffs, should have been the goal. Some people are still diluting themselves and hoping that will be the result of this. I think not.
user09896894@reddit
I only remember tariffs from trumps plan.
HooiserBall@reddit
China is run by neo imperialist fascists that don a communist color scheme. They’ve genocided religious minorities and bully their peaceful neighbors.
We should be ostracizing them and be shaming everyone that does business with them.
edge000@reddit
I've seen this around reddit occasionally. Why do people assume that all authoritarian regimes are fascist? China is literally a communist regime (authoritarian left). Fascism is right authoritarian.
I think people just get hung up on the authoritarian part and call it fascism.
EntropyFrame@reddit
There is nothing "Right" about Fascism. You've been duped. Fascism is a collectivism ideology and is placed strongly on the true left.
HooiserBall@reddit
Because fascists give the facade that you can own and run your company. The Chinese communists attempted collective ownership and found it unsatisfactory. They shifted away from collectivism during Deng Xiaoping
EntropyFrame@reddit
I like Tariffs actually.
International trade is a finicky subject of conversation.
Internal trade is protected by the government through property rights, enforcement of law and the validation of contracts.
Internation trade has zero protections. Laws, ideologies, behaviors, motives and protocols of other nations are completely unknown and sometimes absolutely unethical to our principles of life, liberty and property.
I do believe the role of a government should involve international relationships, and Tariffs are a stress placed specifically on international Markets, therefore, a separate issue from national Markets (Which should be as free as possible).
PM-ME-UR-CODE@reddit
No bigger example of government overreach than tariffs
The_Grizzly-@reddit
The worst part is that the AnCaps are either downplaying or outright ignoring it.
gvillepa@reddit
Id argue the NSA as well as property taxes.
xrp10000@reddit
Any tax on the essentials of life is insane. Some states even have a sales tax on groceries. Tax on food is the worst of all taxes.
spaztick1@reddit
Really? I think there's lots of bigger examples.
Tarriffs were how the Federal government was originally funded. I feel international commerce is one of the few things the feds should be doing.
I'd rather pay more for things than have the IRS in my personal business.
I don't think Trump is doing it correctly, or for the right reasons, but I think they are better than income taxes.
lvl69blackmage@reddit
They are, I’d rather get taxed on what I purchase rather than taxed on my income.
Efrath@reddit
While Trump is not right to say that, I am... Puzzled as to why there's price hikes now when the tariffs have not been implemented yet. To me it just sounds like an attempt from Walmart to earn more with the coming tariffs as an excuse.
TheMachoMustache@reddit
dr_t_123@reddit
Amazing how quickly the "corporate greed" narrative was forgotten.
right-5@reddit
Why would Trump tell a deceased wrestler to eat tariffs? Op needs to check spelling.
ILikeBumblebees@reddit
Didn't she die in 2016?
Budget-Razzmatazz-54@reddit
Shouldn't the left be championing this take?
gatornatortater@reddit
Big propaganda pushes tend to get pushed everywhere.
Bobwalski@reddit
Why is the astronaut with the gun wearing the flag for the state of Ohio and shooting the astronaut with an American flag?
aed38@reddit
Because, in the future, the state of Ohio wins the space war. Governor Mike DeWine becomes space emperor.
Bobwalski@reddit
I knew it. I bet he has plans to dissolve the state Senate and declare himself emperor of Ohio.
Bobwalski@reddit
To clarify, yeah makes sense that the American flag 'naut is shot because they are just realizing that tariffs are still theft/tax, but why Ohio pulling the trigger?
Chesus42@reddit
Because there is no meth tax.
MEMExplorer@reddit
No sympathy for Walmart in the least , they spent 14 billion in stock buybacks last year they can absolutely afford to eat the costs by simply not buying back any stocks this year 🤷♀️
aed38@reddit
Walmart doesn’t force you to do anything at gunpoint.
These tariffs are being forced on the world at gunpoint. There’s a big difference.
MEMExplorer@reddit
Tariffs aren’t being “forced at gunpoint” 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
aed38@reddit
...so what happens if you don't pay the tariffs?
MEMExplorer@reddit
You don’t get to bring in ur goods that were manufactured overseas
aed38@reddit
Right, that's the government prohibiting free trade... at gunpoint.
MEMExplorer@reddit
🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ do you ride the short bus or something ? Tariffs have been around forever , they aren’t “enforced at gunpoint” the only retaliation is another tariff by the country being tariffed . We tariffs Chinese imports, China tariffs American imports (which they’ve been doing for years) . Neither tariff has anything to do with the militaries or police or any other armed enforcement agency
aed38@reddit
"they aren’t “enforced at gunpoint”"
They are a form of government coercion. If this weren't the case, they would be a part of free trade. Tariffs are antithetical to free trade. Tariffs are taxes that the government collects from an importer of goods. If the importer says "no thanks, screw your tariff", then the government either forces them, with coercion aka the government gun, to either end the transaction or pay the tax.
If the government had no military, police, etc. then they could not enforce tariffs, or any other tax for that matter. No one would be paying tariffs.
Walmart, love them or hate them, does not use coercion to sell it's products. They are a free market entity. You're free to shop at an Aldi if you don't like Walmart. You do not have freedom of choice when it comes to tariffs. If your company needs to buy rare earth metals from China because that's the only place that sells it, then you have no choice, you have to pay the tariff.
Fancychocolatier@reddit
No sympathy for them or for a federal government that’s committing overreach.
MEMExplorer@reddit
Both
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
Sympathize with Walmart’s customers, genius.
Trump telling Walmart to eat the tariffs doesn’t magically make basic economics go away.
immortalsauce@reddit
The left always pushes the narrative that these big businesses have massive profits and just need to cut them to offer cheaper goods or raise wages. So I’d ask the left, why can’t the cooperations just take it out of their "plentiful" profits
TheMaddened@reddit
Oh no, guess we’ll have to focus on increasing domestic manufacturers and producers. Dang , and that’d lead to competitive pricing and not supporting China’s lack of environmental impact such that the very children that they exploit for labor are being born with toxic lead levels in their blood? Dang!! But I want to save $5 on my Nike’s !!!!
setthepinnacle@reddit
Because govt telling companies what they can and can't do is pro free market
redpandaeater@reddit
Especially helpful for companies like Walmart that thrive on low margin but high volume.
TaxAg11@reddit
Lol at thinking that retailers are going to not eat the tariffs...
If they listen to Trump, they will be out of business in a matter of weeks. It's unsustainable to eat this increase in tariffs. They must be passed on to customers.
Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit
Welcome to Orban's Hungary, dear Americans.
hthrowaway16@reddit
Right now they're doing this big campaign to try to convince everyone the courts are the enemy.
I mean shit, that's totally what the pharma EO is - promise cheap stuff outside of your authority and when the courts say "you can't do that", tell everyone "look, the courts are your enemy, they dont want you to have cheap stuff!"
But no, this guy totally doesn't give authoritarian vibes 🙄
Chesus42@reddit
Tariffs are a domestic consumer tax increase, just like minimum wage and corporate tax increases. The cost always gets passed to the people.
xrp10000@reddit
Republicans: corporate taxes are just passed onto the consumer. Democrats: no they’re not!!! Also Democrats: tariffs just get passed onto the consumer! Also republicans: tariffs!! tariffs!!! 🤦♂️
rakedbdrop@reddit
buy american
aed38@reddit
Walmart: “We’re going to have to raise prices because of these tariffs.”
Trump:
Okami_no_Lobo@reddit
Do people not understand that this is supposed to make domestic industry viable??? When you put up protectionist policy the whole idea behind the incentive is to make it so people domestically can actually afford to compete... If you continue to buy shit from other countries its going to be expensive, but buying domestically can then actually be a possibility. I completely agree with folks when they say that there are some things that we can't possibly viably produce in the US as the infrastructure will be far too intense to produce in even a decade, but on the other hand pretending that we have zero ability to bring back even a modicum of industry is ludicrous. I think that it is important to our nation to make an effort to protect domestic industry from foreign slavers and we have a moral imperative to do so for the well being of the planet, the viability of funding such slaves, and for the overall strength and stability of our economy independent of global factors. The pandemic really showed us how much of a weakness global trade is for all nations and conflicts also show that trade is more of a flash point than a peace maker. Converting our economy into something that services Americans first and foremost is just good policy.
I am surprised there aren't more libertarians crying foul the government interference that allowed for Chinese production supremacy, all these debates seem like nothing more than thinly veiled irritance toward market turmoil and price hikes on cheap throw away goods that don't actually save you any money...
Fancychocolatier@reddit
We understand what the logic is. We’re libertarians though, we don’t like tariffs or taxes. They’re antithetical to like, you know, the whole political belief system of libertarians.
jaritadaubenspeck@reddit
Walmart IS China West. Try shopping there.
Coup-de-raquette@reddit
trump cuts taxes for the rich, he's evil?
trump wants the rich to "eat the tarrifs", he's evil?
i hate taxes, but i'm very curious about the "eat the rich" crowd