HUB - Radeon RX 9070 XT vs. GeForce RTX 5070, 57 Game Benchmark (1440p & 4K)

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Antonis_32@reddit (OP)

TLDR:
At 1440P across the 57 games tested the RX 9070 XT is 17% faster on average
At 4K across the 57 games tested the RX 9070 XT is 21% faster on average

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MrMuggs@reddit

Also regional pricing is all over the place. So check your local pricing on which card is a better deal.

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Also check your regional vendors for the Doom the Dark Ages Premium Edition bundle for Geforce 50 series cards if anyone is interested in that game. That offer runs for another \~4 days. The 5070 is only a few percent better value than the 9070 XT in my country so either could make sense depending which performance tier you want, but for anyone interested in the game there's really no better value at this performance tier. The value of the game bundle also almost closes the gap in pricing between the 5070 Ti and 9070 XT.

The only place where the RTX 5070 seems to lose a lot of value is the selection of cards with premium coolers for anyone wanting a very quiet card. The price on those are out of control for some reason.

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joor@reddit

You can get a 5070 for 4500 DKK now - Merlin has them in stock . Good to see prices are dropping .

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kevcsa@reddit

Or do what I did.
Buy a 5070 that by default is 80 eur cheaper than a 9070, then sell the Doom code it came with to give yourself an extra 50 eur discount.
A 5070 130 eur cheaper than a 9070, very much worth it.

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yarikhh@reddit

Why is the 5070 TUF so expensive relative to the others?

Because it's a Ti.

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Alive_Worth_2032@reddit

Ye, I barely even see this as a viable comparison as a EU buyer. The 5070 is 50-100 euro cheaper than the normal 9070. Over at MF which usually has some of the best AMD prices. The cheapest 5070 was over 150 euro less than the cheapest 9070 XT.

Meanwhile the cheapest 9070 XT was only 100 euro less than the 5070 Ti. Which at least from my perspective with current pricing here is what it should be compared to.

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shawnkfox@reddit

How is it not a viable comparison when they specifically go over regional pricing and how that works out in terms of cost per frame? Even if your pricing doesn't exactly match the numbers they used, you can use the performance numbers provided to determine which card is a better value in your scenario.

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shugthedug3@reddit

Well because it's a bit like making a video comparing the 5060 to the 9070... you could but why? they're not even remotely similarly priced.

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UsefulBerry1@reddit

9070xt msrp is closer to 5070 than to 5070 ti. It makes every sense to compare these two. They tell this in the video itself. And they already have a 9070xt vs 5070ti https://youtu.be/tHI2LyNX3ls

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Gengar77@reddit

the Msrp was never real, it was all just marketing.

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Pinksters@reddit

Whoa whoa whoa... It was real for like a week or two of pre-orders.

If they didn't cancel your pre-order because "supply constraints" and immediately reissue the cards at the new "msrp" that is.

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shugthedug3@reddit

Yeah I saw the price on release day... for two minutes.

People actually found the real price when their shopping basket was edited by the retailer when the rebates ran out lol.

Then Reddit started saying don't worry the rebate will come back, price will return to MSRP etc... never did.

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alpharowe3@reddit

So you'd not have the data? They're priced and performing within 20% of each other.

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alwayswatchyoursix@reddit

They don't need to be similarly priced when you're comparing value. That's why they broke it down into a cost per frame metric.

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PhonesAddict98@reddit

Try Caseking, their prices are really good!!!

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Alive_Worth_2032@reddit

Their cheapest in stock 9070 XT is 10 euro less than MF, hardly earth shattering.

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balaci2@reddit

in Romania, it's not THAT horrible for AMD

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Zenith251@reddit

Indeed. My local store has 9070XTs from $750-879 in store only. Central Computers.

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J05A3@reddit

5070 is the same price as the 9070 xt on my place lmao

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GenderGambler@reddit

9070xt is cheaper than 9070 base over here (??????)

And the 5070 is 16% cheaper than 9070xt

Regional pricing is a mess lol

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

It's weird, but not that surprising, at least the first price. There's competition for the 9070XT tier, once you think outside of the next 18 months, the 5070 gets a lot less appealing and who knows how much of that 18 months is going to be marred by software stack bullshit?

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onurraydar@reddit

Crazy how in the US Nvidia is offering better cost per frame for both 5070 and 5070 ti. I really think this gen will end up like 3000 vs 6000 where AMD had a competitive product but due to AIB pricing and supply issues they get demolished.

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Sentryion@reddit

Amd never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

The 9070xt started out so strong, but then supply dried up and it looks worse than the hated 5070ti.

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Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit

Germany current pricing: 9070 XT is 12% worse value than 5070

The 5070 is selling for below MSRP here

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The_Countess@reddit

nvidia's MSRP's are pretty shit though. 5070 has the same MSRP as the 9070, which performs better and has 33% more vram.

Basically it should be selling below MSRP if it wants any sales.

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Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit

What you actually pay is what matters, regardless of fake MSRP

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More-Asparagus-592@reddit

nvidia cards should be tested at 4k dlss peformance, with amd if the game has fsr4 then it should be tested with fsr4 performance at 4k, if the game doesnt have fsr4 then it should be at fsr3 quality, because how much worse fsr3 looks than fsr4. When you test like the 9070xt is closer to a 5060ti or maybe even loses to 5060ti.

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The_Countess@reddit

ok Jensen.

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Electronic-Trick2678@reddit

Uk?

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SweetButtsHellaBab@reddit

The cheapest in-stock RX 9070 XT I can see is £680, whereas the cheapest RTX 5070 is £480, so at 17% faster for the RX 9070 XT, it's 21% worse value.

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OkDimension8720@reddit

Can't see any decent 9070xt deals they're all at least £650, but there was a 5070 for £472 yesterday, out of stock now.

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bravetwig@reddit

Even the 9070 XT at £650-660 doesn't appear to be a real price, I have seen those prices at overclockers and amazon and in both cases they are for delivery when stock is available. I can find it available at £680 for delivery now.

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AveryLazyCovfefe@reddit

Found a 5070Ti for as low as £680 once, I'd recommend getting hotukdeals and setting up alerts for them.

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w142236@reddit

AMD losing on the value front by any percent is a terrible look

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Amadeus404@reddit

So in terms of performance we've got 5070 Ti > 9070 XT > 9070 > 5070.

And the opposite for cost per frame.

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J05A3@reddit

5070 is the same price as the 9070 xt on my place lmao

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shugthedug3@reddit

Seems weird to compare these given the big price difference

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Short_Ad4946@reddit

For real.

Cheapest 5070 i can find - 707 eur

Cheapest 9070xt i can find - 845 eur

Cheapest 9070 i can find - 731 eur

Seems like the 9070 is the 5070's competitor and the 5070 is the clear winner imo since it has more features

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ElectronicStretch277@reddit

Is it?

The 9070 has better raster. Is equal in RT (not Path tracing), has a competitive upscaler, has 4gb of more vram. Is maybe the most efficient card released this generation and to top it all off there's the bios flash that you can do. They also have frame gen which is as good or better than Nvidias.

The 5070 is better for work due to CUDA but if I remember correctly the Radeon cards are competitive in any workload that doesn't have it as a requirement. DLSS4 is ofcourse still an advantage but it takes up VRAM as well. And it's not as big an advantage as it was previously.

Honestly, I don't see an arguement for the 5070 as a clear winner. If anything it's the other way around.

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resetallthethings@reddit

you shouldn't be downvoted

9070 is clearly worth it over the 5070 at the MSRP price gap, let alone if they are around the same price.

UNLESS you never plan to go above 2k, and need nvidia productivity features

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LimLovesDonuts@reddit

Not exactly a 5070 but I got a 5060 Ti but I had a 9070 XT too which I sold, so maybe some context.

ON PAPER, the 9070 XT does seem like a good card but in practise, it's a pain in the ass. A lot of games just don't natively support FSR 4 and you would often have to use Optiscaler since a lot of games also aren't available on AMD's white list. FSR 4 also has very serious problems with grass and leafs (Oblivion and Wukong) so it's just inconsistent even when you could use it.

This is also ignoring other shit like Rayreconstruction and MFG, and the superior Reflex support and implementation. I really liked the 9070 XT but these small problems were enough and consistent enough that I just said fuck it and got a 5060 Ti. It's a downgrade but I have been having much better experiences with it. I can play RTX Remix actually properly now rather than the blurry mess on AMD, the DLSS override worked well for me and a lot of games just worked when you enable DLSS, no need for optiscaler shenigans.

So really, the price gap isn't enough. There are so many asterisks that what seems like small problems individually becomes a big issue when you combine them together. AMD still has a long way to go and this is ignoring the fact that AMD couldn't be assed to support ROCM.

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No_nam33@reddit

Facts.

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resetallthethings@reddit

This is bizarre

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Strazdas1@reddit

This is reality.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

Or have the money to replace it on a less then 72 month tempo.

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temo987@reddit

Is equal in RT (not Path tracing)

So it isn't equal in RT then. Path tracing is the ultimate RT stress test.

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ElectronicStretch277@reddit

It's just that. A stress test. Even high end GPUs struggle with it.

Path tracing isn't Ray Tracing and is still too heavy for most games to include just yet. The 5070 isn't exactly a powerhouse in that category either.

Most games that have Ray Tracing don't support Path Tracing and that's gonna remain the case for a while. By the time it's a must have the 5070 will be choking on its VRAM limitations.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Path tracing is a type of ray tracing by definition. There are many different ways to do ray tracing, Path tracing is the best but most demanding one we have in games. Path tracin is how movie CGI is done (but with a lot more rays).

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temo987@reddit

Path tracing isn't Ray Tracing

It is. Just a more beefed up version of it.

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The_Countess@reddit

Seems like the 9070 is the 5070's competitor and the 5070 is the clear winner imo since it has more features

What features? to me 10% faster performance and 33% more vram is easily worth 30 euro's more.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

Until you have to choose between image quality and those features.

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LuminanceGayming@reddit

the MSRPs are $50 apart

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nukleabomb@reddit

Does MSRP even matter if it is not real?

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Advanced-@reddit

In the 5070s case, yes lol. Just got a MSRP 5070 a few days ago in the states. Was trying to get a 9070 or XT but with the price hikes the value completely flips back to Nvidia.

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Ok_Assignment_2127@reddit

It’s not really a price hike, more of a straight up lie since they never intended to sell at that price. The 9070 launch price was faked with a rebate to AIBs to scam some good reviews. They existed for preorders, a large chunk of which were cancelled due to “low stock” and then reissued at the non-rebate MSRP

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shugthedug3@reddit

Retailers in the UK claimed the rebate came directly from AMD even for the sale of AIB cards. Weird situation.

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Strazdas1@reddit

It not a price hike. The prices were always this high. They just had a discount for a short time.

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nukleabomb@reddit

Truly a bizzaro world

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Jellyfish_McSaveloy@reddit

I was told explicitly by HUB that you should ignore MSRP though and go by street price. In the UK, right now I can buy a 5070 for £495 and a 9070XT for £660.

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abbzug@reddit

I was told explicitly by HUB that you should ignore MSRP though and go by street price.

Is that not the point of this video? It's a review reflecting actual prices not MSRP.

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wufiavelli@reddit

If I was ever a reviewer I feel like these kind of complaints would drive me up the wall. There are a million ways to slice this pie and no matter what you do people are gonna be "Why did you do it this way, this would be better". I feel as long as its in the reasonable range for a review comparison its fair.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Yes, more price-accurate comparison would be 5070ti

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popop143@reddit

There's a cost per frame comparison per country, where the 9070 XT indeed is worse value than the 5070. It's better value per frame than the 5070 TI though.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

And any of the 3 other options at that tier of card gets a lot better when you think over the long run, I would not touch a '1440p' 12 gig card at that price when the rumblings of the 10th console gen are already starting; in this climate there's a good chance it would be called on to run until a fair bit into that generation.

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OscarCookeAbbott@reddit

They’re supposed to be pretty close in price, that’s why

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conquer69@reddit

But they aren't. Even if you believe the fake msrp, the comparison should be with the 9070.

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shawnkfox@reddit

Brother, watch the video before commenting. They cover the pricing issues.

Personally I don't think the pricing matters because there are games I want to play that the 5070 will struggle on due to only having 12GB VRAM. Whether that 12GB matters is going to depend on what games you play, but for me the 5070 is just flushing money down the toilet because the card will either have huge frame drops or will just not display textures at all on some newer games when using the high definition textures. All of the other settings don't make that big of a difference but when a card can't load all of the textures the result looks like shit.

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shugthedug3@reddit

I did, it still doesn't make sense as far as a comparison goes. I know he acknowledges the pricing difference but why even compare these cards?

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errdayimshuffln@reddit

Because pricing changes. It's still important to compare because the 5070 used to cost more so now the comparison changes. And if/when theb9070 gets cheaper then he might compare them yet again.

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fatso486@reddit

I cant explain what going on. Why Is AMD not bothering with lowering its GPU prices. Are RDNA4 cards really selling THAT well above MSRP?

Any indications that They are seriously capacity limited on 4nm?

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Strazdas1@reddit

because AMD cannot produce enough cards.

AMD is capacity limited all the time. Buying up capacity is expensive and AMD has overdone it in the past so they are very stringent with it nowadays.

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Sentryion@reddit

Also amd has a limit capacity for Tsmc if I were to guess. They are prioritizing Ai card, server card and cpu than gpu.

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The_Countess@reddit

They need to reserve capacity for those nodes around 18 months in advance.

That's well before they know if their own GPU will be good or not, and way WAY before they know if what nvidia has is good or not.

So they really can't suddenly go, "yes, lets just order 3 times as much as we normally do because i have a feeling nvidia is going to fuck up this round."

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ryanvsrobots@reddit

Because they want money

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onlinenow81@reddit

I think it’s simply a supply issue — not because it’s selling well. Just waiting to see when the 9070 XT will appear on Steam. The 5070 is already showing up.

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Suspicious_Goose_659@reddit

I can't just believe how 9070XT MSRP at $599 are being sold for $900. That's +50% more.... I was hoping for it :(

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MikeFichera@reddit

Bought mine for 699 last weekend.

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Lifealert_@reddit

Yeah it's a huge disappointment. AMD just learned they can get a ton of good press by releasing a fake MSRP that a few lucky people get on launch and then jack up the price to the margin they actually want.

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The_Countess@reddit

it makes no sense for this to be a AMD thing though, given the wildly different prices in different regions.

It's being sold for the equivalent of 680 dollars in Europe right now.

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shugthedug3@reddit

And then all the techtubers continue to make videos raging about Nvidia.

I'd say it has definitely paid off for AMD, there's acknowledgement that they're scumbags but nowhere near the anger... and that's especially stark when the Nvidia cards are in stock and at the right price mostly.

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Lifealert_@reddit

Because AMD has 10% of market share. They just don't have the impact or reach. If Nvidia were to clean up their act AMD would follow their lead.

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The_Countess@reddit

It's selling for the equivalent of 680 dollars in Europe (excluding tax). which isn't amazing, but given the GPU market of the last few years, is not too bad.

no idea what the US is doing with those prices.

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shugthedug3@reddit

Nvidia +50% new strat.

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LittleWhiteDragon@reddit

Manufacturer's "Suggested" Retail Price!!!

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Z3r0sama2017@reddit

AMD snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once more. You only get to charge premiums like this when you release a monster like the 9800x3d.

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StructureUsed1149@reddit

But they didn't snatch defeat. They literally have sold more than Nvidia. Any way you slice it AMD made a big leap with fs4 and catching up in ray tracing. Saying only 22 percent better in 4k is a MASSIVE difference whe. You are talking 40 fps vs 60 fps.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Lol. There is absolutely no change in hell they sold more than Nvidia.

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More-Asparagus-592@reddit

amd said the msrp was only going to exist on launch day, it was a marketing stunt.

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LeMAD@reddit

Good thing I don't need a GPU as this is absolute garbage value in both cases. For almost the same performance and 16gb of vram, I bought my 6900xt three years ago for $800cad ($570usd).

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Havanatha_banana@reddit

The fall of coin mining was the short oasis for budget conscious gamers. Hopefully, it'll last us until the drought is over.

Must say though, AAA titles hasn't been interesting for quite a few years now. Heck, people are now making a fuss of oblivion remake, and it launched to being hated by the TES fanbase at the time.

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Pinksters@reddit

Got an A770 last year for about $350. Initially was very disappointed.

Performance was everywhere depending on the game, most DX9 games barely functioned if they did at all.

But I have to say im happy with it now. XeSS is great, drivers made leaps in general performance so high and so fast that I'm suspicious that they sniped an Nvidia dev to help. (which might explain recent dogshit Nvidia drivers)

Though I play at 1080p now and dont care for RT at all, at least for a few more years.

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Strazdas1@reddit

To be fair, DX9 should have been dead in 2008-2009, its entirely on developers that they kept developing DX9 for a decade after.

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your_mind_aches@reddit

For me, an intel card is a non-starter because I play PCVR

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thunder6776@reddit

Most new games are gonna new rt only and dlls/ fsr 4 add 30-50% more performance. Your card is kind of dead man!

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heymikeyp@reddit

Yea bought a used sapphire nitro 6900xt for 400$ back in January of 2023. Was a great deal at the time and still working perfectly. See no reason to upgrade. Maybe if UDNA exceeds expectations and is a decent value I'll upgrade then.

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Withinmyrange@reddit

I got my 4070TIS second hand but with 2 years and 7 months of warranty left on it for 850 cad

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Fearture@reddit

The better question: is there any valid reason to even buy the Nvidia 5000 series card if you're still rocking a 3000/4000 series equivalent? This generation of AMD 9000 series cards are so insanely overpriced that there's almost 0 reason to consider them compared to the Nvidia equivalence, unless you just really despise Nvidia. So would a 3080 to a 5080 even be worth the $1500 price?

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VruKatai@reddit

No. I'm coming from a 3080 12gb to a 5070 Founder (msrp) and it wasn't even worth the $549. There's like a 5% increase. The only reason I needed the upgrade was to downgrade the energy cost and mfg

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UniqueXHunter@reddit

I went from a 4060 8GB to a 5070 FE, I had a huge increase at 1440p, worth it from my experience. For your case, ya it's a little more hard to justify

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labree0@reddit

Okay

Now turn on dlss. Do the same test

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UniqueXHunter@reddit

Finally someone with a brain. I got a 5070 FE for about $450 after using my BestBuy rewards. Runs everything at 1440p at Ultra/High settings. Soo much fearmongering with the 12 VRAM. This is more than enough for 1440p, this isn't a 4K card.

5070 using DLSS and framegen looks fantastic, and like you said smokes 9070xt "bUt fAke FrAmEs" lol

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ElectronicStretch277@reddit

FSR4 exists. Optiscaler exists. The only game where you can't get it to work is in multiplayer games where it will not be required because the card is that powerful.

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Strazdas1@reddit

FSR4 exists.

Barely

Optiscaler exists.

Its far from ideal.

The only game where you can't get it to work is in multiplayer games where it will not be required because the card is that powerful.

I like DLSS on Tarkov. FSR (3.2) on Tarkov is complete trash though.

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labree0@reddit

Fsr4 is supported natively in a handful of titles.

Optiscaler requires a bunch of other crap just to get it working with fsr4 and it's compatibility is a mixed bag at best.

https://github.com/cdozdil/OptiScaler/wiki/FSR4-Compatibility-List

There are plenty of games where it doesn't work that aren't multiplayer. And there are plenty of multiplayer games that run poorly without upscaling.

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john1106@reddit

some of those DLSS regression in ghosting can be fixed by enabling the auto exposure in DLSSTWEAK, It work in oblivion remastered where ghosting is worse

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labree0@reddit

In my experience that only solves ghosting in very dark scenes. It does not solve the volumetrics ghosting that occurs in assassin's creed shadows or horizon zero dawn

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Big-Rip2640@reddit

This video shows how impressive the 9070xt would be if you could get it at MSRP, and also how terrible 5070 is, and why it keep dropping in price.

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Amadeus404@reddit

Is 12GB really a problem for the 5070? I'm considering getting one

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UniqueXHunter@reddit

12 GB is NOT a problem for 99% of games you play, I play everything at 1440p Ultra/High with no issues. Don't let the VRAM fearmongering get to you lol. It's a fantastic card, DLSS4 and Framegen are really good

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virtualmnemonic@reddit

For 4k, probably. DLSS and frame generation increase VRAM usage. Texture quality has a significant impact on visual fidelity (compared to other graphics settings) and is demanding of VRAM.

For 1440p it should be fine. And the 70's series is targeted towards 1440p users. 4k is way more demanding.

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AzorAhai1TK@reddit

DLSS slightly lowers VRAM usage, it's just frame gen that raises it.

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toodlelux@reddit

It's a 1440p card optimized around DLSS. If you're cool with DLSS and running "high" instead of "ultra" in some games, 12gb should be fine for a while. I have one and have been more than pleased with it. The xx70 has never been the card for maxing out settings. I've gone 1070 > 2070 Super > 3070 > 5070, and this has been my favorite upgrade since the 1070 I started with.

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Daffan@reddit

High basically is Ultra in 99% of games, ultra is a scam.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

If you plan to own the thing for any period of time, yeah.

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only_r3ad_the_titl3@reddit

would. but it is weird how Nvidia according to this sub didnt even bother with this gen yet amd can only barely match what nvidia is offering

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LongLongMan_TM@reddit

Barely? They did it on purpose. They are not competing in the premium segment.

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BitRunner64@reddit

They aren't even competing in the mid-range segment with these prices.

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The_Countess@reddit

Prices in europe and australia, as per the video, they are competing pretty well.

slightly worse price/performance for much more overall performance and 33% more vram? yes please.

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Strazdas1@reddit

AMD was 1-2 generations behind. In the generation Nvidia didnt bother to improve, AMD caught up. Makes sense, no?

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ZekeSulastin@reddit

AMD’s last minute retailer rebate stunt has got to be one of the most successful marketing moves either company has made in a while.

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godfrey1@reddit

why are they comparing 5070 that you can already get under MSRP and 9070XT which is over it's fake MSRP and real MSRP literally everywhere?

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Good_Captain9078@reddit

Both cards same price in my country. No fake MSRP at work here, so not “literally everywhere”

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Tyranone@reddit

Maybe in your country but not everyone live in USA.

Here 5070 cost 770usd and 9070xt 930usd

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ShadowRomeo@reddit

In my region the RX 9070 XT is 30 - 40% more expensive than RTX 5070, so they aren't even in the same category at all. They should have compared it with the 9070 which is still 15% more expensive than the 5070 but that is closer than the 9070 XT.

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curiosity6648@reddit

Yeah AMD is trash. They aren't competitive at all, the answer is Nvidia all the way

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Good_Captain9078@reddit

In my region the price is the same but the AMD card offers around 20% more performance for the same price, so it’s not so clear cut.

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uNecKl@reddit

I have the 5070 fe and in most games I’m hitting the vram limit so in a year or two it’s going to be obsolete

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VruKatai@reddit

"Most games". Bullshit. A few games will hit the limit. A handful.

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LadraoDeJuliete@reddit

You did a huge mistake by buying a 12GB card, nex year you wont be able to play games, buy a 5090 and pray

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Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit

Not buying anything until the 70/80 class of card come with 24Gb.

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noiserr@reddit

I already have a 7900xtx with 24gb. They need to release a GPU with 32GB or more to entice me to upgrade.

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mybrainisoutoforderr@reddit

u guys are never going to use those vrams for gamingg

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Zylonite134@reddit

4K Indiana jones

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Strazdas1@reddit

Doe not need 24 GB.

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Zylonite134@reddit

It needs 18GB

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Strazdas1@reddit

It allocates 18GB in 4k Native path tracing mode (as in, a way that noone is actually going to play it in). It does not need 18 GB for normal play.

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cheesecaker000@reddit

It’s funny seeing the shift this year. The only thing anyone talks about is how much VRAM the cards have.

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noiserr@reddit

I need it for ML.

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KnightSunny@reddit

Not a single game will ever require that amount of vram at 4k in the next few years

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biciklanto@reddit

Indiana Jones already does with path tracing.

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Strazdas1@reddit

You are wrong because you are looking at allocation, not usage. Unless you can prove the engine starts swapping everything at 16GB VRAM.

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resetallthethings@reddit

indiana jones can already exceed 16gb at 4k so.....

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Downtown_Type7371@reddit

The Vram obsession is crazy lol.

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exodus3252@reddit

Kind of agree, but 8GB cards are essentially obsolete.

For gaming purposes, you can get by for a while with 12GB up to 1440p, and 16GB should be fine for 4k. It's really only a problem at the low end.

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Strazdas1@reddit

8GB is a bad deal, but people expecting 24 GB minimum is even more crazy. I think Nvidia hoped the 3GB chips will be ready in time which would mean that 8GB cards turn int 12GB and 12GB cards turn into 18GB ones. That would have been totally fine.

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Pub1ius@reddit

According to the latest Steam hardware survey:

34.4% < 8GB
34.25% 8GB
31.34% > 8GB

55.27% @ 1080 resolution

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zghr@reddit

What use is buying a 24 GB card in 2030 if games are significantly more complex then and require 25 GB for high quality assets and resolutions?

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sh1boleth@reddit

This, I got a 3090 in 2021 (Wanted to get a 3080 but just barely managed to get a 90 in the crypto craze) and I never utilized its 24gb - even when I upgraded to 4k, no games I played in the 3.5 years I had it went above 12gb in ram even at 4k - the gpu memory was wasted on me.

Funnily enough after I retired it from gaming im finally using its memory to run a Local LLM on a homeserver.

By the time the 24gb would even be relevant in gaming the 3090 itself would be underpowered to run the game.

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tukatu0@reddit

What you just did is called whataboutism mate.

A few weeks ago there was a post where a guy with a 5080 was sharing his card would go over the vram limit at 4k with path tracing on Indianna jones. Some person mentioned they should drop down to balanced (1200p). I mentioned that yeah mate. Great suggestion. Just play at 1200p on his $3000 computer that came out 5 months ago. (I should have mentioned that 5 months ago part too.)

The point, this isn't a future thing. It's a now thing. If you are already being limited... You better expect more limitations in future games. It's not like 5080 equivalent exists. An rtx 3080 also cannot go above medium settings on that game. (Or last i recall atleast for textures) Not even with path tracing on. Nevermind every

I wanted to type more but i forgot. Something something the Zorah tech demo exist. But there must be reasons why average game isn't built closer to it

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ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit

That's not what about us. What about 9060XT when someone complains about 8GB of VRAM on 5060ti is.

Someone saying that VRAM requirements are going up in time like compute isn't.

Not that it matters since shutting down an argument by pointing out a fallacy is itself a fallacy

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tukatu0@reddit

Same thing again.

I pointed out they were wrong regardless of fallacy or not

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BarKnight@reddit

With the 9070 XT costing upwards of $850, they are just robbing their fans while everyone else buys a 5xxx series.

The fake MSRP was a slap in the face to their fan base. It fooled HuB and other reviewers though, so I guess there is that.

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The_Countess@reddit

it's being sold for the equivalent of 680 dollars in Europe right now.

that small deficient in terms of price/performance compared to the 5070 is more then made up for by the higher performance and 33% greater vram.

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veryrandomo@reddit

At the prices they're selling for I really don't see much of a reason to buy a 9070XT over a 5070Ti, even VRAM which is usually Nvidia's weakest point is on-par

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resetallthethings@reddit

can literally buy one on newegg for $730 when you posted this

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ryanvsrobots@reddit

Wrong. Link it.

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resetallthethings@reddit

It was up for like 6 hours, was 8 earlier this week, and a couple hours on best buy yesterday

If you use a notifier app or sporadically pay attention at all you can easily get a 9070xt under $750 nowadays

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ryanvsrobots@reddit

And if you use a notifier app you can get a 5070 for $200 less than a 9070 xt. Or $140 less right now or a 5070 Ti for $750.

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resetallthethings@reddit

Can't get a 5070 for 530 so no, but yes, with a notifier app you can likely get either of the cards you mention for MSRP.

Although the TI still sells out in like 10 minutes or less so more difficult.

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ryanvsrobots@reddit

OOOOO

Here's some more hoops to jump through with that logic

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Aggravating_Ring_714@reddit

Wild to compare those two in places like Europe. €750 for a 9070xt, €560 for the cheapest 5070, €790 for the 5070ti

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Strazdas1@reddit

Price-wise 9070xt is competing with 5070ti. Performance wise its competing with 5070.

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The_Countess@reddit

The 9070 non-xt is 10% faster then the 5070, wtf are you talking about.

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Zen_Decay@reddit

Indeed... Cheapest 5070 ti I found on a quick search was 924€. The 5070 (and oc models) are around 600-650€.

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Aggravating_Ring_714@reddit

If you’re in Europe you should use geizhals.de

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Zen_Decay@reddit

Cheers for the tip. I'll check it out in english later today

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P1ffP4ff@reddit

idealo.de

Not every reseller is listed on geizhals.

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constantlymat@reddit

With Cashback you can get a 5070 for 539€ right now here in Germany.

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RTX_69420@reddit

It’s the same in the US.

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Careless_Iron5938@reddit

9070xt performing close to 5080 lmao and can improve also nvidia fucked up by threatening revivers it shows they are scared of amd

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PMdyouthefix@reddit

Does anyone know why Nvidia cards get beaten so badly in Call of Duty games? It's kind of an insane margin, especially for such a popular series. It's pretty neck and neck in almost every other game. Is it a driver/optimization issue that can potentially be fixed?

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Strazdas1@reddit

COD developers always optimized for AMD hardware.

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Lelrektv2@reddit

Cod is hyper optimized for console which uses amd chips. It’s less so that nvidia drivers for cod are bad it’s just amds are perfected for it.

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Brawndo_or_Water@reddit

Ah yeah this drama queen again. Freaking getting old.

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ViamoIam@reddit

Value AAA Gaming for next 5 years: AMD still wins with 25% more vram. More vram is needed to do all that fancy stuff.

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no6969el@reddit

I think people need to take the time that they spend arguing about this researching about this and planning on buying a purchase with the time that they're wasting and then value your time and realize that you should have just bought a 5090 and then moved on with your life.

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DM725@reddit

I grabbed a 9070 XT the other day for $729.99 so the whole cost per frame and value is totally dependent on if you want one immediately or you want one at the new MSRP.

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bobbie434343@reddit

Steve looks so happy when he's waving AMD hardware like a trophy. It's so cute to see Aunt Lisa bring joy to HUB.

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HardwareUnboxed@reddit

Karma farming gone wrong.

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bobbie434343@reddit

Huh that's the last thing I'd wrote for actual karma farming.

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MarcCDB@reddit

The price fucks it up....

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advester@reddit

Which they have little control over since the market sets the price and someone in the chain will collect. Prices come down if product sits unsold.

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Kalmer1@reddit

They have lots of control over it. It all depends on how much they charge AIB partners and how many they supply.

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Z3r0sama2017@reddit

Yeah they could just say fuck AIB's for ruining price/performance, we will just use the chips for our own reference cards

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advester@reddit

Even if AMD, AIB, and retailers all keep the price down,, it will simply be snatched up and resold by scalpers. Have you idiot down voters not been paying any attention for the last 5 years?

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Kalmer1@reddit

Then why can Nvidia keep their cards in stock at or below MSRP in EU while AMD cant?

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advester@reddit

Nvidia's msrp was worse value, but a better guess at what the market price would end up at.

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Wander715@reddit

Love how when it's AMD they apparently have no control over the price but when it's Nvidia they are price gouging everyone lmao

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advester@reddit

And you care more about Nvidia winning than the truth.

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Altixis@reddit

Big bad corpos vs big bad underdog corpos

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SirTenKill@reddit

Just got my gf a 5070 and I reserved a 9070 xt for 10$ more microcenter so I’ll just do a swap and get way better performance

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Cultural-Accident-71@reddit

Fun fact was for me that the 3080 12gb version is faster than the 5070. I'm looking at the used market where a 3080 12 GB is going for about 450 USD.

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Advanced-@reddit

A 3080 is not faster than a 5070 😂

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Cultural-Accident-71@reddit

You are right! My bad. It's about 10-12% faster than the 3080. 3080 is available for 450 USD for me, but the 5070 is nowhere under 600 USD. I don't know why I had it in my memory that it was fast, but it's for sure better value right now.

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Advanced-@reddit

I mean, I cancelled an order for a 6900 XT (XTHT Or w/e the edition is that essentially is an extra 10% when you OC) to grab a MSRP 5070 instead. It was $400 6900XT vs $550 for the 5070.

The 6900XT was objectively better value, but It's more than just pure "FPS per dollar".

Warranty on the new cards. DLSS 4 Support. Future Driver support (And future features that old cards won't get, but new ones might.) Wattage/efficiency. Maintaining older GPU's. Future resale value. And the better performance from raster, to RT, to path tracing.

That $150 was well worth it, despite being "Less value" on a pure numbers graph.

I would not spend a single dollar above MSRP for a 5070 (So, $550) but I also would not spend over $400 on any GPU That isn't either a 9000 series from AMD or 4000/5000 from Nvidia at this point.

The 3080 for $450 is "fair" at best. I am not sure what your goal is, but I would not rely on a used 3080 for anything above a year or two going forward @ 1440p high.

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Cultural-Accident-71@reddit

6900xt is a heat monster and consumes more energy if it matters. I like the 5070 for a fair price. Here in Ecuador, a 5070 is not under 900 USD to get, while a 3080ti is for 460 USD available (used). The electricity here is 0.09 USD/kW, so it's not an issue. I would love to get any card close to msrp, but here it's not possible, and I hope I will travel to the US or the EU soon to get one there for a fair price.

Enjoy your card.

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Advanced-@reddit

Here in Ecuador, a 5070 is not under 900 USD to get, while a 3080ti is for 460 USD available

Well under that scenario, yeah the 3080 is a no brainer lol. Which is why I said I wouldn't spend a penny above MSRP :) If that's the case, grab it and enjoy as well mate \~

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EiffelPower76@reddit

3080 12GB is heating much, 5070 runs much cooler

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Cultural-Accident-71@reddit

Also less power consumption, but I was thinking more about fps/$

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Griswo27@reddit

I am sure they next make a rtx 5070 ti vs 9070 to make it fair..../s

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crshbndct@reddit

They already have? Did you watch the video?

And it’s not about being fair, it’s about giving the user data that they can use to determine what they want to buy.

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celloh234@reddit

bad data is a thing

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crshbndct@reddit

Okay but we aren’t talking about financial policy here. It’s just frame rates.

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celloh234@reddit

A customers decision to make a purchase is economica and besides data and statistics is used for every field. This is bad data because you cant extropolate it to other gpu comparsions.

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SoloWingPixy88@reddit

MRSP doesnt mean anything. Manufacturers arent giving retailers a margin.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

Deeply strange comparison considering that the 9070XT on an entirely different SKU tier.

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Tyranone@reddit

Not so strange because we can compare performance (fps) per dollar.

In my country 5070 cost 770usd and 9070xt 930, is a 160 dollars difference and i wanna know if its worth it.

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Jeep-Eep@reddit

Yeah, but the apples to apples comparison here is the 9070.

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only_r3ad_the_titl3@reddit

HUB was pushing the narrative that Nvidia was selling far above MSRP in not just their initial reviews, reviewing them as if MSRP was never going to be a thing, but also discussed this in a multiple other follow up videos just for Nvidia to be much closer to MSRP.

And generally their sentiment was that 5000 series was complete garbage and that the 9070xt was fantastic just and yet the 5070 offers singificantly better value at 1440p and the 5070ti only at worse 10% worse value

And still barely any RT testing because ofc that would would amd cards look worse and steve cant handle that. Seems like only GTA 5 tested RT...

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balaci2@reddit

rdna 4 doesn't really lose to blackwell in terms of RT, it's absolutely more than playable with RT, it's pretty much Ada performance, minus doom tda lol

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only_r3ad_the_titl3@reddit

yeah it does lol

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balaci2@reddit

to a much lesser degree than the previous gens, it's actually great performance now

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rumsbumsrums@reddit

Because their previous gens didn't even try to compete in RT performance. Their flagship was on the level of a 4070.

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balaci2@reddit

and now they're within single digits of their other team counterparts aside from a few games

i know we like to dunk on AMD GPUs, i use Nvidia as well mostly, but what's this commotion?

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rumsbumsrums@reddit

On very light RT, they are pretty much equal but with heavier RT implementations, the 5070 Ti can be 20% ahead, even more depending on the game.

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balaci2@reddit

the only games where I saw that happen were Wukong and maybe Alan Wake

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rumsbumsrums@reddit

Besides those two, off the top of my head

Cyberpunk
Dragon Age
Indiana Jones
Silent Hill 2

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SoTOP@reddit

Dragon Age and SH2 don't really fit. RT in first one is pretty basic, so AMD cards don't fall behind much with RT, while SH2 performs very poorly on AMD cards even with software RT and turning HW RT on makes no noticeable difference.

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rumsbumsrums@reddit

In Dragon Age the 5070 Ti is ~15% faster than the 9070XT, ~30% with max. RT enabled. According to PCGH

Silent Hill seems to run bad on AMD regardless so I agree there.

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RealOxygen@reddit

It's almost like that was the case at the time and when things changed they changed their recommendation......

They're not fortune tellers

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only_r3ad_the_titl3@reddit

except when it is nvidia they change it after 0.01 s and when it is amd they take months

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MarxistMan13@reddit

I don't think you understand how incredibly sad it is to be defending Nvidia from a medium-sized techtuber.

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only_r3ad_the_titl3@reddit

i am not defending nvidia i am just criticising a big sized techtuber for their unobjective views.

It is said that you can't even do that without their fans coming out from every corner throwing personal attacks, but hey just like steve when someone dares to criticse him

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MarxistMan13@reddit

for their unobjective views.

They are literally recommending Nvidia over AMD. What more do you want from them? Some of you people are ridiculous...

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heymikeyp@reddit

People just love to hate. I lol when I read comments of people shitting on steve from Gamers Nexus just because he might not say everything they want him to say, yet the guy has done more for the industry in the last 5 years than any tech channel on YouTube.

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MarxistMan13@reddit

It also nullifies any nugget of truth to the rest of their arguments. HUB Steve is thin-skinned and loves to clap back at people. That's a legitimate criticism... it just sounds like petty bullshit when someone immerses it in the rest of that nonsense.

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17F19DM@reddit

i am not defending nvidia

Dude, are you like serious? Just look at your post history here.

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only_r3ad_the_titl3@reddit

What about it?

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lord_lableigh@reddit

They literally pushed a video about 9070xt not being at mrp recently.

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heymikeyp@reddit

Yep, just proof these clowns dont actually watch their videos or aren't paying attention, yet people upvote still. HUB has been completely fair and called out AMD on numerous occasions.

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only_r3ad_the_titl3@reddit

yes months after release and it is their only one. The complain about the "fake" msrp of the 5070 before it even launched.

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lord_lableigh@reddit

To be fair to them, all previous experiences were in favour of amd rather than nvidia but amd seems to have joined the bandwagon this year.

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abbzug@reddit

They're literally recommending Nvidia over AMD in every tested region besides Australia and people still act like the 3.3 trillion dollar market cap company is a victim of a mean Youtuber.

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yungfishstick@reddit

RIP your karma

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doscomputer@reddit

Actually the need for DLSS/FSR4 is what makes ray traced games look worse. 😉

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EVRoadie@reddit

When I bought, prices were within $100 for the 9070xt and 5070ti. I wanted a 9070xt but the value wasn't there, especially since I like RT in my games. That written, I'm really curious to see if AMD is able to get it's ray reconstruction implemented, because it's fairly competitive even without it.

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