America won
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Posted by Snoo64812@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 218 comments
Stimpur1@reddit
DrEpileptic@reddit
Capitulated without gain and brought us straight back to square one with all our allies and trade partners giving us the side eye.
stillmahboi@reddit
It's not square one.
The world has lost faith in america as a global leader.
People in Korea didn't even know stuff like January sixth, they don't know that he ignores supreme court orders, or doge, or Medicaid, or any of that stuff.
But everyone, everyone knows about the tarrifs stuff.
Custer99@reddit
Who gonna tell him chinas tariffs on us are lower than when this started? đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
stillmahboi@reddit
Do you understand what tarrifs are?
Tarrifs is the tax that China collects from its citizens when they import.
Do you understand that China lowering their tarrifs (i assume that's true, idk) does not mean that America got more money?
Do you think the incentivization for import by lower tarrifs will upset the amount of trade America has lost?
LeoDaWeeb@reddit
In theory though, doesn't lower tarrifs mean the Chinese would be willing to import more stuff from the US, thus making more money?
Im not defending Trump, just curious about that statement in a vacuum.
stillmahboi@reddit
That's why I said this
LeoDaWeeb@reddit
Ah gotcha
randominsamity@reddit
More importantly, who's going to explain to you what the fuck has actually been happening in reality?
_cdk@reddit
tariffs arenât some penalty china paysâtheyâre a tax on americans who buy imported goods. if the u.s. slaps a tariff on chinese products, itâs u.s. buyers who end up footing the bill through higher prices. itâs economic nationalism dressed up to look like punishment, but it lands on american wallets. itâs a tax for the little guy.
howrunowgoodnyou@reddit
He turned the entire us market into a meme stock that goes up or tanks depending on tweets.
Itâs dumb. I pulled everything out
YoungDiscord@reddit
Yep
You hit the nail on the head
The real kicker?
Due to souring relations with the States, now America's foreign clients are being incentivised to start investing more in trades with other ckuntries instead
You know, like with China or Canada or even Europe...
And sure, trump can claim "good riddance we don't need them anyway" but in like 50 years once those international markets shift to exclude the States its going to come back to bite the country in the ass because the US's main global leverage is its trade
So the country will have nothing going for it.
Starbonius@reddit
Well you see, donald trump isn't going to be alive in 50 years. So why should he care?
leastemployableman@reddit
He will be dead in 20 years anyway. I don't think it really matters to him if he goes down as the best or worst president in history, as long as people are still talking about him 200 years from now.
UberiorShanDoge@reddit
I think the biggest unforeseen factor is that breaking from the status quo is very expensive. Countries will not usually opt for it willingly, and this has been a major factor in keeping everyone in line with existing US systems of trade and defence. Brexit is one example, and while I disagree with the very principle of it, a huge part of the problem was just the disruption.
Canada would probably like to reduce dependence on the US, but building infrastructure to export LNG by ship would have been a huge waste of money. Now itâs a completely viable project and will still be there after Trump if they build it.
Europe has been happy to spend 2% ish on military for the past decades, with a large chunk of this going to US companies, and military policy being essentially just US-led. Breaking from this to establish another system would have been very dangerous. Now itâs a complete necessity and will still be there after Trump.
There are endless examples of this.
rNBA_Mods_Be_Better@reddit
Hopefully the learn about the aforementioned so they realize how stupid our populace is for voting for him
inconspicuous_browsr@reddit
I'll probably get downvotes but I do have a genuine question.
What do we think Kamala would be doing right now, in an alternate timeline where she won?
I don't really know much about politics so not super aware of her policies or plan were.
Grouchy_Vehicle_2912@reddit
Since Trump came into power, right wing populist parties around the Western world have been struggling in the polls. So I guess the one silver lining from this is that idiots from other countries at least took the USA as a warning and changed their minds lol.
ihadagoodone@reddit
I think it's more those who don't support right wing populism saw what was going on and became more motivated to get out and prevent it from gaining more influence.
The overall numbers show that right wing populism is still rising in support and the rhetoric has not changed yet and doesn't show signs of changing in the near term either.
Grouchy_Vehicle_2912@reddit
Idk where you're from, but in my country the far right (PVV) went down 8 seats since Trump got into power.
ihadagoodone@reddit
How big was the shift in popular vote away from the right?
In Canada (where I'm from). The right wing party here gained vote share but a pretty substantial amount, and like my post said more people voted to stem the rise of the right it didn't take away from the support on the right, just from other center and more left leaning parties.
And the rhetoric from the right hasn't changed here either, has it changed where you are?
Grouchy_Vehicle_2912@reddit
Last election the PVV got 37 out of 150 seats and became the biggest party. They rose to 49 seats in the polls last year, but now they are down to 28. A lot his former voters are also openly saying they are disappointed in the party for not delivering on any of their promisses.
Our system is very different from Canada, which means we have way more parties. That means disatisfied/protest voters have a lot of options to choose from, and are s lot less loyal to the far-right parties.
Geert Wilder's rhetoric has only intensified, but that is working against him now. Especially his far-right foreign policy stances (anti-ukraine, pro-israel, pro-Trump) have proven to be very unpopular, as the focus of the national discourse is moving away from immigration and towards defence and geopolitics.
Of course the die hard far-right types will keep voting for him, but the "normies" seem to be walking away from this party and this ideology en masse.
ihadagoodone@reddit
Ahh, yes your political rhetoric swung to the right quiet hard at least a decade ago, mainly from Syrian refugees iirc. Here in Canada we didn't experience as hard of a shift then, in fact elected one of the most culturally left leaders we've ever had which, accompanied by rhetoric from South of the border emboldened our right wing parties and fringe groups.
One can also point to Germany and the rise of AfD as another example supporting my position however.
tencaig@reddit
He has pretty much shown the world that right wing populists parties are really just Oligarch governments with a wig.
krishnugget@reddit
The UK didnât exactly follow that, the Conservative Party has weakened a lot sure, but itâs just been replaced by a significantly MORE right wing party massively gaining power, even if the Labour Party won the election
Thatchers-Gold@reddit
A bit of context for the âI read the title, not the article, the UK has fallenâ nerds
krishnugget@reddit
Iâm more referring to the sheer number of councils they won recently like Kent, and even then its still kinda crazy how many seats they gained after being essentially powerless before.
stillmahboi@reddit
In korea the vast public perception is still that Americans are all smart, rich, and well off.
They think that Trump suddenly made an oopsie because he got old.Â
FblthpThe@reddit
My experience is that Koreans think Americans are primarily fat first, with rich being second. I don't think Americans as a whole are perceived as particularly smart or dumb, its just burger-gun-land
stillmahboi@reddit
Koreans are still under the impression americans can work at a gas station and live well.
They don't know stuff about the abysmal Healthcare system or the 30 year degradation of the education system.Â
Wwanker@reddit
Nobody in the world think "smart" when they hear the word "american"
stillmahboi@reddit
In Asia the homer Simpson stereotype is not very prevalent.
It's common knowledge in the eu, but not in Asia.
Techno-Diktator@reddit
Hahahah yeah no, a few top Americans sure, but pretty much everyone outside of the US sees most Americans as obese idiots.
StormOfFatRichards@reddit
They were too busy figuring out whether they should impeach or fellate a neocon president for declaring literal war on his own country
MisterGoo@reddit
The whole world was already aware of that, if itâs any solace to you.
stillmahboi@reddit
I'd say most countries are still under the impression Americans are smart and rich.
smallpenislargeballs@reddit
I think that's Trump's intention? His eventual successor will be forced to be isolationist if no other country trusts the US
stillmahboi@reddit
I don't think he has any intention.Â
I used to think he was a rich mastermind enriching himself or whatever.
Now I think he's just throwing shit at a wall and seeing what happens because he knows he'll get away with it.
The ultimate troll. Based i guess.
MorRochben@reddit
He also made everyone care about alternatives for products that are not from the US. For example the EU is considering making their own payment processor because the only options right now are US( visa, mastercard, paypal, applepay) or China( alipay). And there is a whole movement moving over to exclusively buying european made products over on r/BuyFromEU with a website where you can easily find alternatives.
As a european, thank you Trump. We've finally stopped relying on the rest of the world so much.
stillmahboi@reddit
I think the EU will eventually take over the role America has assumed for a century now.
Dingo_Princess@reddit
Not just Europe, here in Australia there's also a push to buy anything but American.
bordain_de_putel@reddit
What makes you think the world had faith in america to begin with?
Il-Luppoooo@reddit
Don't worry, the world never had it
DrEpileptic@reddit
Well yeah, I meant square one as in nothing changed about the tariffs.
Stealpike307@reddit
they backed onto boardwalk
gorgeousphatseal@reddit
Really because April just had a record breaking duties income due to tarrifs
theJigmeister@reddit
So the party of âlower taxesâ instituted the most massive new tax in recent history and all you mouth breathers are super stoked that most of the stuff you buy is 300% more expensive. Got it.
Survival_R@reddit
The question is would it have lasted? At first everyone is freaking out and acting fast but once the dust settles other countries could start teaming up (as they were already planning) to screw over the US due to the US acting extremely hostile towards everyone
Were leaving global organizations and agreements Casting blanket tariffs Attempting to acquire and seize foreign land And severing many agreements
The world won't just turn a blind eye to America seemingly setting up for an overtly outward and hostile future
Smol-Fren-Boi@reddit
Funny thing is, it would have to remain to have any actual effect
The US economy is not geared to exporting, and to make i wok youd need tarrifs.
Ironically the machinery theyd need would have to be imported, meaning tarrifs would need to drop
But if tarrifs drop then cheaper foreign goods can enter the market and make great risks for domestic industry
On and on the cycle goes
luigitheplumber@reddit
You're the kind of dude who's fascinated when people jingle their keys
luigitheplumber@reddit
Wow that's incredible, raising tariffs raises tariff revenue. Real 4d chess here
Iron-Fist@reddit
"American consumers paid record high taxes on goods!"
MasterTuba@reddit
BeerandSandals@reddit
My company spent a lot of weekends figuring out how to source product away from China. From Indonesia to Poland, and domestically.
I know people hate the guy, and will hate the results. However Iâm not sure how long a country that depends on debt can subsist on its primary exports being finance and tech.
pacowek@reddit
If it worked so well, why was it reversed?
parrote3@reddit
Thatâs what happens when you raise tariffs. You get more money. Now tell me, will those goods that were tariffed be more expensive for me now?
soobnar@reddit
âI acted like a total moron and nearly fucked us muh harder, but previous bau was so fucking good people were largely alright with going back to thatâ
rotciv0@reddit
Well, if by square one we mean a global minimum of 10% tariffs, which while not nearly as disastrous as the "liberation day" tariffs are still pretty bad for prices and GDP
homiej420@reddit
And its not the side eye, its the middle finger
VNDeltole@reddit
It's square zero after her berates, mocks and slanders US's allies like the EU to get closer to the likes of Russia
FullTimeHarlot@reddit
The amount of soft power the US has lost in 5 months will not be easily recovered.
mpTCO@reddit
Muh soft power
zandercg@reddit
But I thought the tariffs were supposed to give us "American jobs" and turn us back into a manufacturing economy? What happened?
soobnar@reddit
Because thatâs based on the idea that we can go back to how our economy was structured during the postwar consensus (when every other industrialized power on the planet had been bombed into rubble).
turns out being a technology and service based economy is much better than being manufacturing based when there are now tons of factories and cheap workers in Asia.
NotSovietSpy@reddit
Nothing. US has never been the world's 2nd most suitable destination for manufacturers, so people continued to move from China to southeast Asia.
"American jobs" require a generation of Americans who are mostly dead by now
Yeseylon@reddit
Your first sentence is incorrect.
America was a top manufacturing economy. Before like 1960 lmao
whalebeefhooked223@reddit
Not just a top. At the time it was the biggest ever
ThatHeathGuy@reddit
Mostly because every other major developed nation had spent 6 years bombing each other to shit.
AbsolutelyFreee@reddit
US economy was the largest in the world since like, the 1890?
krishnugget@reddit
More like around one of the World Wars, thatâs when England got properly fucked by excessive spending on the war efforts holding Germany back.
AbsolutelyFreee@reddit
No, that's when the US started being the world's most powerful nation. Before that, it had merely the largest economy. The US economy overtook britain around 1890-1900.
ZenPyx@reddit
Overtook the economy of the British Isles? Yes. Overtook the economy of the Empire? Not really. The main reason for the overtake in the 40s was decolonial efforts and European bankruptcy from the war, not really from anything special the US was doing
shadow_irradiant@reddit
With enough trade barriers, it's totally possible to bring back American manufacturing.
It's just not worth it for anyone involved.
Grouchy_Vehicle_2912@reddit
Enjoy your new manufacturing jobs, Americans! Pay is 0.79$ and the workweek is 6am til 8pm for 6 days a week. When (not if) you get hurt thanks to the hazardous working conditions, you will ne fired without compensation and immediately replaced.
These were the jobs you were so angry at the Bangladeshi's and Chinese for taking from you, right?
leastemployableman@reddit
A bright future ahead
abs0lutelypathetic@reddit
???
We literally are the worlds second largest manufacturer of
axelomg@reddit
Turns out americans dont want to do tedious backbraking factory work for a handfull of rice per day.
BobDylansBasterdSon@reddit
That woudl require on the job training, which HR doesn't like.
rhaptorne@reddit
The tariffs got axed for now so the narrative had to change
DamascusSeraph_@reddit
Unfortunately american wages are extremely high so it would be extremely costly to manufacture donestically. So much so that unless tariffs were astronomical to the point if economic ruin it wouldnt be worth it
PlonixMCMXCVI@reddit
This, is something sold for 10$ is made in china in 1 hour paying 0.1$ the worker (made up number) + shipping cost + tariff.
How much is it going to cost in USA if the worker producing the good is going to be paid 8$?
Jugaimo@reddit
Rocked the boat and gained nothing for it but making all of our closest allies annoyed and threatening our very good deals for cheaper raw materials. Glorious commandant does it again.
Pan7h3r@reddit
Trump caused Australia to have the largest labour (left) election win in recent history mainly due to a fear of "Trumpism" infecting our government. Similar thing happened in Canada and Germany.
Trump has given the world a great example of exactly what not to do.
Porknpeas@reddit
maybe he is the good guy and that was the plan all along?
TheNieno@reddit
Maybe Trump is actually an accerlerationist
randominsamity@reddit
He would need someone to explain to him what it means first.
Porknpeas@reddit
i need someone to explain to me what it means but i am too scared to ask
randominsamity@reddit
randominsamity@reddit
Yeseylon@reddit
Nah, I'd be more likely to believe Musk's dumb ass played 4D chess to get conservatives to buy electric cars than believe Sleepy Don was pulling reverse psychology.
DiscoBuiscuit@reddit
Elon is too dumb to learn the rules of chess, not sure about that one mate
Kriblyat@reddit
Why tho? Maybe he paid someone to play it for him.
colesweed@reddit
It's like that greentext where a chinese evangelical believed that trump was sent by god to destroy america
Big-Bad-Bug@reddit
Link?
Juuruzu@reddit
more like code geass lol
randominsamity@reddit
Well unless you happen to be Peter "He's Not a Monster" Dutton, that is.
Thendrail@reddit
Fotzenfritz is anything but left. Sure, not a completely insane lunatic like the republicans, but the CxU is still highly conservative, while the SPD just kinda goes along with them for now. Now sure, the Left Party did rise to a respectable 8,8%, but it's hard to tell, how much of this is thanks to Trump - he was only in office for a month before the german elections, though his usual, uhm, politics, might have played a part. Not like he was quiet about his plans before.
LANDVOGT-_@reddit
Sorry what? Germany just had an election with two right wing parties accumulating almost 50% of the vote.
ludicrous_socks@reddit
Meanwhile, on small, damp island in the north Atlantic, trumps biggest fan boy continues to gain popularity
stillmahboi@reddit
It's only until recently that I realized democracy is not in fact a sure thing. I was under the impression that star wars type emperor Palpatine shit would never happen in my lifetime.
I now realize that democracy really is something that you have to fight to protect.
When my president (korean) was impeached i was like "is this really a big deal? Because it's called martial law, but really it's just declaring emergency powers which is what Trump does all the time. Probably fine, let's not rock the boat"
Now I realize you need to nip that shit in the bud straight away, and that i was wrong.
LargestLadOfAll@reddit
Germany? Lol
SV-97@reddit
No it didn't? The rightwing extremists had a very successful election and people still elected the right-wing, lobbyism party
Yeseylon@reddit
Is the right wing in charge in Germany or Canada?
SV-97@reddit
The CDU/CSU are very firmly right wing parties
SV-97@reddit
Germany, but it's not all a change. The CDU/CSU have been (essentially) at power for decades. It's just that the extremist party is also growing increasingly stronger. The biggest losers were the social democrats and liberals, then the greens.
Canada was actually a heavy loss for the conservatives though AFAIK.
LuckiKunsei48@reddit
Oh yes. Im so scared of Canadians invading us lol
Cpt_Soban@reddit
Canada isn't invading you mate, although they stopped buying your products.
Jugaimo@reddit
No. You should be scared of us losing all our nice material deals.
LuckiKunsei48@reddit
I was just joking damn lol.
Jugaimo@reddit
I didnât downvote you. I think that shit is gay.
Ill-Scheme@reddit
The Shart of the deal
dandaman64@reddit
Le art of the deal
Sunifred@reddit
ByRitzo@reddit
I just wish I was a Trump supporter. With an IQ comperable to a wild rodent, life would be easy
gs87@reddit
Most MAGA folks are dirt poor redneck farmers whoâve been screwed the hardest by the very GOP policies they cheer for. Trump loves the "poorly educated" and itâs not a compliment. Their lives are anything but easy, and instead of demanding better, they been working hard on dragging everyone else down with them
MrShowerHour@reddit
>Most MAGA folks are dirt poor redneck farmers
that isn't true at all
Sercotani@reddit
most MAGA folks are rich as fuck white collar CEOs of their own mini companies, then.
Flaccid-Fran@reddit
MAGA folks are people who are scared of the amount of immigrants they see in their small towns. In my experience
Starbonius@reddit
I cannot comprehend the hate for immigrants. I beleive most of the hate co.es from people who don't live in areas with actually high numbers of immigrants like south Florida. The vast majority of them are just regular people.
Cerenas@reddit
If it's anything like in my country, it's probably even people from smaller towns that experience very little foreigners, but got influenced by the fear mongering on social media.
Thendrail@reddit
It's just like anon/4chan, isn't it? The guys who've never felt the touch of pussy wanting to explain how ~~women~~ females work, since they discuss it all day every day with their equally incel bros on a saharan pearl-diving forum.
EigengrauAnimates@reddit
That's a weird way to spell "non-whites regardless of citizenship" but ok
Flaccid-Fran@reddit
That was implied
Kitahara_Kazusa1@reddit
While that's an exaggeration, Trump is more popular among poor people than rich people.
Maybe he's also popular with billionaires, but there's not enough of those to actually matter in terms of votes. Your average person earning 200k is less likely to support Trump than your average person earning 50k.
Walden_Walkabout@reddit
There are plenty of rich republicans, I just assume they are in it for the tax cuts and not the racism.
ohelm@reddit
Why do you think this? A quick search shows it's not true:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-family-income-home-ownership-union-membership-and-veteran-status/
It's the other way around, only the poor and rich lean D
Kitahara_Kazusa1@reddit
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls%3famp=1
I was going off of these polls, they do seem to have different results than the pew poll.
I would look into it if it wasn't 1 am
ohelm@reddit
Your link is only for key states, so it's a small subset of the data.
It also appears to weakly show the same trend of democrat lean at low and high income and republican in the middle?
Aetheus@reddit
Their personal, singular votes might not matter ... but the amount of influence they bring on board (cough cough, donations) absolutely do matter in terms of total votes.
Kitahara_Kazusa1@reddit
Yes, but the point is that influence is more effective on poor people than on moderately rich people
Poopy-Mcgee@reddit
I concur. Where I live, MAGA run the gamut between farmers, retired folks, wage slaves and straight up unemployed. The only connecting factor is that they're pissed at something in life and Trump gives them a reason to spread their pain to everyone else while making them feel like heroes.
Case in point, at my shitty gas station wagie job I encountered a man who was very well off by our town's standards who said that tariffs made it so poor people had incentive to go get "more jobs" in place of "illegals" who were stealing all of it. Another man, whom I know for a fact is a fellow wage slave at Wal-Mart and consistently complains about not being paid enough, agreed and said that if more Americans worked like he did the country would run fine.
There is no connecting factor in being stupid, everyone is stupid in some aspect. It is a connecting factor to fucking hate your fellow man because you're miserable and it feels like no one else is.
shadow_irradiant@reddit
And of course the Chinese are the peasants
aIhamdullilah@reddit
I don't understand how he have such a huge following when he flip flops his stances on basically everything
airfryerfuntime@reddit
They're stupid, and scared, and he's a voice of reason for them.
whalebeefhooked223@reddit
Itâs entirely based of anti woke social issues.literally the only thing heâs consistent on is that thereâs a woke mind virus
KodakKid3@reddit
cult of personality culminating from the most successful propaganda campaign in the modern developed world
airfryerfuntime@reddit
You'd be living in fear 24/7. That's why they voted for him in the first place. They watch Fox or Newsmax constantly, and the only way those networks can keep them engaged is by terrifying them. It would be an awful life to live.
JakubTheGreat@reddit
Fucking room temp IQ the lot of them. How proud.
tomten87@reddit
20°C? My, that's low. Proper vegetables đ
The-Singular@reddit
Nah, it's in kelvin. 293K°
Infamous-Salad-2223@reddit
Hey, hey, hey... don't insult wild rodents like that.
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GargamelLeNoir@reddit
They're always full of hatred and fear and everything and everyone. It is not fun being a fascist cultist.
gasp_@reddit
You can't be! With the all new Hammer to the Back of the Head technique!
Now with 30% extra hammer time!
Paired nicely with Diving Headfirst into a Sandbar!
cjog210@reddit
If ignorance is bliss, then they're probably some of the happiest people alive
dawidowmaka@reddit
Squirrels would at least not vote for this shit
ZDuskFP@reddit
It would make more sense if the 3rd and 4th steps were swapped no? He reverses his stupid decision which then "magically" solves the problem.
EmilieEasie@reddit
I saw a skeet that was like "In exchange for absolutely nothing from China, America has agreed to take the gun off of its own head, but will continue aiming at its foot instead" or something and I laughed so hard and then I felt sad
Bockanator@reddit
something something fell for it again award
Vospader998@reddit
Pedal a made-up problem
Claim to have a solution
Pretend to solve said "problem"
Declare victory, take all the credit for solving a problem that never existed in the first place
Yeseylon@reddit
Every day, I wake up, there is another Trump psyopÂ
đ đş đ
cooljerry53@reddit
Help
gyroqx@reddit
âReverseâ yeah sure
shorty-boyd@reddit
What happened to no tax on tips and Canada as a 51st state? Can you give a straight answer and not a typical trumpanzee whataboutism? Dude clearly reversed his stupid tariffs for what gain exactly?
Sercotani@reddit
nah you clearly have TDS, he's just joking! Learn to take a damn joke, lib'rul.
101delirium@reddit
"we literally don't have to buy their shit" given how there's practically nobody else that can produce said shit, you quite literally in fact DO have to buy their shit.
Past_Idea@reddit
So you are telling me that the supposed leader of the free world is reliant on a genocidal, expansionist dictatorship?
Would that not, if anything, support the idea of the need for a decoupling with China (or CHINER as Trump likes)?
Cpt_Soban@reddit
All of Walmart is stocked with Chinese goods...
sealpox@reddit
Sure, we could decouple from China. But how about we try not to do it quite literally overnight, in the process shocking global financial markets, which in turn affects consumer sentiment, which in turn affects spending, which leads to a recession, which leads to loss of jobs, which leads to a worse life for 95% of people
Past_Idea@reddit
What is the other way to go about decoupling with China that it genuinely sustainable?
Acronym_0@reddit
The way Biden was doing it
Investing in critical industries to build up.
Granted, Chinas main leverage are the rare earth metals, that one is hard to solve
Mitchel-256@reddit
You mean Joe "I love taking long walks with and giving loving handjobs to my best friend, Xi Jinping" Biden?
Acronym_0@reddit
I know I sound ignorant, but what actions did he take to earn that nickname?
Mitchel-256@reddit
Biden talked a lot during his terms about constantly talking with Xi Jingping. If you want an example of them actually walking around together, there's a story about them at the Filoli Estate that comes up commonly. And Biden claimed that he'd "traveled 17,000 miles" with Xi Jinping, especially around Tibet. Which, seeing as Tibet is under authoritarian rule by China that plays fast and loose with the Tibetans' human rights, seems disturbing to me.
It was frequent, though, during his terms that I'd see a speech or address of his and he'd bring up spending a lot of time with Xi Jinping. Long talks, long walks, etc, etc. Xi Jinping referred to Biden as "my old friend", which, despite Biden('s advisors/handlers) denying it, seems like a likely-true description.
GabMassa@reddit
Source: Trust me bro
Mitchel-256@reddit
I mean, if you supported the Biden administration and want to run purposeful interference for it, sure, that response makes sense.
Any degree of desire to see both sides would likely facilitate one to remember how often Biden publicly spoke fondly of spending time with Xi, despite the PR condemnations.
GabMassa@reddit
You didn't even post an article or anything.
I'm not even American, don't care about your geriatric homes escapees you call presidents, but it's always funny to see belligerent opinated claims without source or actual backing.
Mitchel-256@reddit
That's why I pointed out specific items that'll get you hits from a simple Google search. Because that's all it takes.
If you took the ten seconds it takes to search "Biden Jinping Filoli Estate" or "Biden 17,000 miles", you'd have your questions answered.
But belligerence is what matters to you, so I don't think that's actually what you wanted to do. You just relished the opportunity to act smarmy.
GabMassa@reddit
Brother, just provide a source next time, it's not that difficult. Especially after someone asks.
It'll save you from a lot of "smarmy" answers, I'm sure.
Mitchel-256@reddit
Neither is using Google, sister.
GabMassa@reddit
Then why didn't you?
It's your claim, loser, back it up.
Mitchel-256@reddit
Okay.
Here you go.
Enjoy.
GabMassa@reddit
HobbitousMaximus@reddit
Literally the first result says it's false.
Mitchel-256@reddit
The 17,000 miles one? The claim itself is false, yes, but Biden did claim it, and that's what I'm talking about. He believed it, assumedly, that he spent that much time with Xi Jinping and happily said so.
Also, there are more sites fact-checking it, but that first result is also Fox News, so good luck marketing them as trustworthy on Reddit. Again, the validity of the claim itself wasn't my concern.
xinorez1@reddit
That's cool. Trump said he wants to rule like xi, which is kind of a problem.
Mitchel-256@reddit
I absolutely agree. No-one in their right mind should want to rule like an authoritarian despot sack of shit.
Romeo9594@reddit
All he had to do was be a democrat, apparently
xinorez1@reddit
With incentives and a slow ramp up just like Biden's build American buy American and his chips act.
Past_Idea@reddit
Investing in critical industries to build up how? How would they have been price competitive without leeching off taxpayer money... forever? How would they be able to compete in the market place? What stops China from dumping and predatory pricing? The US is simply unable to compete with China and build up its own manufacturing base without protectonism to prevent the massive cost advantages China has from ruining any nascent attempt at building up industry. Trump was a pussy and folded.
Acronym_0@reddit
Well, by critical industries I meant mainly the CHIPS act which tried to bring some semiconductor manufacturing into US, and as stated, that I think is the best way.
If you brought something that China makes into US with tandem tarriffs, you could encourage domestic consumption of said produce, thus strenghtening that industry and ensuring its growth. What stops China from dumping could be the fact China is a capitalist country and as such its industries are privatized. Could they pressure the company to fuck with US by dumping? Yeah, but so far they havent played that card
fuukingai@reddit
You're brain rotted on propaganda and it's showing
Weeb_twat@reddit
But you're not reliant on Israel though, quite the opposite in fact...
Actual-Team-4222@reddit
Whether you like it or not capitalism relies on exploitation. If you in your "developed country" want to have a middle-class that can afford commodities the chain must be profitable so somebody must work for cheap. If you detach from the countries who do the exploitation (most of them in Asia and some in the center and south of Africa) for you that somebody becomes yourself. We are all hypocrites for allowing a system like this but let's at least acknowledge it.
gbmaulin@reddit
So shouldn't everyone opposed to this system of exploitation be in favour of the tariffs? Or are they too busy being upset about having a markup on their slave labour temu shit?
Actual-Team-4222@reddit
See, the system is crooked in a way where to be opposed to the system you must educate yourself and to educate yourself you have to be an active part of it (buying clothes, a phone...). This process goes on to numb your opposition to said system. So in short, no they don't have to be either in favour or against the tariffs to be opposed to the system and yes we are all too busy upset about our AliExpress package delivery.
SilkDiplomat@reddit
Literally downgraded our credit rating. Holy fucking idiots
Snipermann02@reddit
Tbf, the credit rating has been declining for the last 15 years and tariffs don't affect our credit rating.
The first time was in 2011, next time was 2023. Both times Trump wasn't even president and the first time was before his first term
Safe to say it's not his fault for this one, it's the fault of the government as a whole not keeping spending in check.
Chaos_Primaris@reddit
bros being down voted because this is an anti-trumo comment section and you're providing facts â ď¸
fresh_dyl@reddit
Or, trump is just so ridiculous that economic lag time is a non factor and weâre suffering because of his incompetence in real time
Chaos_Primaris@reddit
sure.. but the downgraded credit thing isn't trump exclusive. idgaf you can find other legitimate reasons to hate the guy
IAMTHEROLLINSNOW@reddit
Its like a different reality there what are they smoking
Joelblaze@reddit
I'm a volunteer firefighter and most firefighters are Trump supporters. They are genuinely beyond parody they will say the exact same things that people make jokes about, and they will just repeat themselves with zero self awareness when you call them out.
I actually think that Trump is some kind of cognitohazard because I don't want to call these people morons but anytime we talk politics at all.....well.
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
I mean, you donât HAVE to buy their shit, but you have been buying their shit for the past two decades like an addict, soooâŚ
kaninkanon@reddit
Unreal cope
TellmeNinetails@reddit
This is why we needed canzac or canzaus or whatever it's called WITHOUT america in it.
OpenSourcePenguin@reddit
But you need to. A lot of things can only be produced by them.
Your purchase power depends on their cheap labor and productive efficiency. If not for that, you'll spend the same and have nothing to show for it.
BitMixKit@reddit
How do people not understand that the United States is never going to be the industrial powerhouse it once was, because that America was very much a byproduct of the Industrial Revolution and as we developed further we transitioned to a service economy. China is basically having the peak of their revolution right now, that's why they're able to mass produce so much. The idea that we can somehow kickstart industry in the states again is foolish for many reasons, most of all that it's simply cheaper to use the existing industrial economies then try to force the U.S to regress back into a similar economy.
WickedMagician@reddit
For those tempted by rightwing right, there is no direction except back. They are taught never to consider that the future could be bright because the entirety of their philosophy is that change is bad because their lives have gotten worse as they age, so obviously we have to go back to their childhood when things were good. It's infantile and pathetic
BitMixKit@reddit
They're so close in some ways to seeing the bigger picture, but they get caught up in a delusional view of a past that never existed. They identify the problems but fail to understand their cause or how to solve them. There are things from the past of the nation that should be preserved, but often these things are the ones right wingers want to tear out from root to stem. In their pursuit of the mirage on the horizon they abandon the oasis they had. They don't want to preserve anything, tradition doesn't matter, it's only a mask used by those grasping for power to placate the disillusioned and hopeless until they can cast it aside. We've seen it before, and we're seeing it again now.
BobDylansBasterdSon@reddit
Things have to go back to what is used to be, except the high taxes that funded that dream, fuck that.
JakubTheGreat@reddit
Bro whereâs the shitpost
Bossikar@reddit
i donât get it, whoâs meant with he? I thought they meant trump but that doesnât make any sense
Ok_WaterStarBoy3@reddit
This is the actual Red Wave Trump was talking about
Thank you Comrade Trump! Glory to the CCP 𫡠đ¨đł
frootcock@reddit
So is buddy typing that on an American made computer orrrr....?
BobDylansBasterdSon@reddit
Made in china.
WorkAccount1993@reddit
You can tell who lives off of their parents and watch fox entertainment with them.
DarkWingDucksGhost@reddit
By destroying relationships with our closest allies, engaging in insider trading and market manipulation, causing interruptions to vital supply chains, costing American families thousands by making inflation worse, and of course exempting Russia. Outta here with this bullshit.
sealpox@reddit
America right now is like that kid in high school who is a complete dick to all his friends because his friends are weak and have no backbone to stand up for themselves.
Except our âfriendsâ are actually strong, independent individuals and arenât afraid of cutting ties with a toxic person.
tanalto@reddit
captainprice117@reddit
I wonder where Pierre Poilievre is having his Sunday dinner?
Scare blu where is mi electoral victory
GroadyBroady@reddit
I bet he has a plate of mashed potatoes, steak, and peas, and he angrily plays with his food with a spoon, and then his wife goes "Honey you barely touched your food.. Carney again?"
kaky0in-@reddit
Literally all my toys are from china
TheRealYM@reddit
Wait what happened to the tariffs I donât pay attention to the circus
Sercotani@reddit
they got turned into candy, yum yum.
Eat your veggies, anon!
Krypt0night@reddit
Except other countries don't trust us now and have made deals without us. Everyone in that thread is 16
abermea@reddit
I didn't expect Anon to know the crayons he eats are made in China
Flimsy-Guarantee1497@reddit
Alternate reality shit
Piazono@reddit
....anons I