Living Through Helene in Asheville - Reflections and lessons
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Background: My family and I live in Asheville, NC, and last fall we rode out the aftermath of Hurricane Helene. I have been urban homesteading and low-level prepping just outside of the city since a few years before COVID. The pandemic showed some folks close to me that I'm not entirely crazy to imagine that resource distribution systems and social order are not 100% rock solid forever. Our preps have ramped up gradually to what I'd call medium level. We garden veggies and greens, I hunt for game meat, can meals and veggies with water bath and pressure, have a couple of chest freezers in the basement, a few shelves of canned foods and dry beans, packed a go-bag, trained wilderness first aid, stock water filtration and camp cooking gear, keep extra gas and propane on hand, etc. That kind of thing. Not end-of-the-world restart civilization level stuff, but thinking ahead a little. One thing I didn't have going into it was a generator, but we bought after about a week when the food began to spoil.
When Helene hit we really had no idea how bad it would be. I knew we'd lose power and have a wet basement, but the power went out on a Wednesday night and didn't come back on for seventeen days. Cell service was gone for almost that long, which I think no one predicted. The water system for the entire city of 80,000 people failed on about the second day, and it didn't come back online for almost two months. All roads in and out of town were impassable for several days, including the interstates. Water tank trucks and emergency food showed up at distribution sites around town after a couple lanes of highway got dug out. Schools were out for the entire month of October.
(Disclaimers: I'm just one guy. I don't speak for anyone else. I'm not pushing an agenda or have any grievances. My family was extremely lucky to avoid injury or major property damage. Many, many people had it far worse than us. Also, I live just outside town past some farms. I didn't experience life in the downtown city setting, so forgive me if I'm ignorant of different goings on in denser neighborhoods.)
Lessons and reflections from my experience:
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Most people defaulted immediately to being really genuinely good. The sense of community support, generosity, and good will was palpable. Lots of people set up roadside kitchens and gave away food, restaurants fed whole neighborhoods, churches became distribution hubs, folks drove around clearing debris with their work equipment, and on and on and on. Yes, there was some looting of some stores. That sucks. Yes, there were some robberies of TV's from empty houses and other businesses. But overall I didn't hear of roving bands of criminals with guns taking advantage of the weak even though law enforcement was pretty well tied up full-time with rescue and recovery for a while. I didn't hear anyone talking politics or sniping or price gouging. It was a lot of love and support, and everyone also took a turn needing to accept help and support too.
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Know your neighbors. Folks in my neighborhood already help each other out with watering plants and holding the mail when we're out of town and we all talk regularly and have a baseline of trust. This made it easy to come together during the blackout and have a neighborhood plan for communication and emergency situations. And who had what resources and protection. It would have been tougher to knock on a stranger's door and introduce myself during the emergency.
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Communication was key. We felt very isolated from the rest of town and the world for a long time. I stupidly had no battery powered radio prior to the event, so I found myself sitting in the car for the daily radio briefings. On streetcorners folks set up whiteboards for information about food, medicine, activities, gatherings, and requests for supplies.
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Doing every little thing took more time and energy than you'd think. All the coordination of light, water, cleaning, timing, supplies, made each meal kind of a big deal. Days turned into missions: "Today we're going out to look for water refills..." "Today we're getting groceries and ice...." "Today we're going to go check on Julie and then go sit outside the library where they say there's wifi signal so we can email our parents and let them know we're OK."
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Toilets need to flush. That's a big draw of water that became very apparent quickly. Gray water for this purpose became as valuable as drinking water. Able-bodied folks went door-to-door hauling water buckets for flushing at apartment buildings and nursing homes.
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Showers go away with no city water. We have a spring that feeds garden hoses, so we set up an outdoor shower with a tarp for privacy. Neighbors came by regularly to get clean, and a lot of people around town had a rougher go of it, I think.
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Flashlights and headlamps are great, but having a room lit up with a lamp was desireable. After Helene I purchased several small Ryobi converters to sit on my tool batteries and provide one plug for a room lamp anywhere in the house.
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My chest freezers stayed cold longer than I expected. I kept them closed and had a temperature probe. They took about three or four days to go from -5 to 32 degrees. Then another day to get up to about 40. At that point I abandoned them and did what I could to salvage my game meat with a community venison stew and a round of pressure canning.
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Dual fuel generator was a game-changer. At first we said "We should get a generator when this is over." Then after a week with no power we said, "What the hell are we talking about? We need a generator right now!" With propane it ran at full blast and went through those tanks quickly. Then I switched to gasoline and it allowed the motor to drop down when not drawing power and that fuel seemed to last longer overall. We ran it a few hours at a time twice a day to cool the fridge and recharge phones and headlamp batteries.
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Cooking: I had a big propane burner for canning which was a bit too much for cooking meals and a small backpacking camp stove for boiling water that was not enough for meals. I needed a goldilocks middle way. After the storm I bought a GasOne dual burner propane stove. A Coleman camp stove would have also done the trick.
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We had extra coffee beans but no way to grind them with no power. I now have a hand grinder. I like it better, and we use it now for daily coffee instead of the electric grinder.
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What got gone from store shelves quickly (and I was glad to have extra on hand!) 10W-30 motor oil, hand sanitizer, batteries.
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Cash is king. No power means no credit card readers. I was very glad for my cash stash.
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Sundown was bedtime. I slept better than I have in years after wearing myself out everyday running around doing stuff. When power and cell service and the internet came back up I spent an extra couple of days slowly reintegrating. It felt weird to get texts and read the news again. Very thin and distant after living so deliberately for an extended period. I really really didn't care about what policitician said what about what. People were helping each other load water jugs and dig out from destroyed homes and living in tents on the high school lawn with helicopters flying rescue missions and delivering feed to trapped livestock. TV jerks arguing about whose fault it was or who didn't help enough was white noise to me.
Last week I visited a friend an hour north of Asheville in Burnsville, which got hit really hard. The beautiful river is all gouged out and gravelly, totally different now. It's a constant sadness to see. Across the road were foundations of three houses. My friend told me that their neighbor who lived there was killed when his house was picked up and washed away. The neighbors in the other two houses got out and lived, but there's nothing left of their homes but concrete foundations. Everything they own is downstream somewhere in the riverbanks and in the trees. And this played out thousands of times all around the mountains. We'll be cleaning out the rivers and streams and mud for years.
If you're curious about anything I didn't mention here, please feel free to ask. I learned a lot, and I hope others can benefit from the crazy misfortune that this whole beautiful area is still dealing with.
Plantfishcatmom@reddit
I have never saved a post, but I saved this one. Really good, practical, real life situation information in here. Also, I am sorry to hear what happened in the area, I spent summers there as a child and graduated from ASU. Special place in my heart. Its good to hear too that the sense of community built before the disaster came into play big time when the going got tough. Good reminder the people need eachother and relationships are important.
Wild_Locksmith_326@reddit
I was not involved in Helene, but did hurricane relief for Andrew in Florida,Opal in Alabama, and most recently Michael in South Georgia. I was shocked at the number of people who less than 48 hours after the storm was over had no food, or water even if they didn't lose their home. We arrived the day after the storm moved north, and weren't even done setting up the water point when people started lining up for food which we didn't have and water which we did have. If my house isn't destroyed I at least keep a month's worth of food and water on hand, as well as having back heat, light and cooking capabilities. I can't contemplate not having this, but some people are ok with not being responsible for their own well being. I heard conflicting reports on the federal and state responses to Helene, and am still not completely sure how effective all the government agencies were in providing aid. The whole thing sounded like it became a political football and was not done with the intent of providing aid to the people who needed it. If I am wrong please enlighten me.
Fit_View3100@reddit
I'm glad y'all fared okay. And the community you live in worked together. I'm very interested to know, similar to the, battery operated radio, coffee grinder, and gas stove. What are things that you've added to your list of resources / tools? What failed? What surprised you? Based on your learnings from this experience, what other steps are you taking to add to your comfort level if a similar situation were to happen again? Thank you!
ceilingfansuperpower@reddit
Also went through Helene... 5 gallon buckets WITH lids were invaluable for hauling gray water for flushing. The local vfd setup a wading pool with creek water you could come scoop yourself... But you definitely need a way to transport it in your car without it sloshing everywhere.
Icy-Ad-7767@reddit
If I may add, many folks have a gas bbq/grill when replacing it get one with a side burner it will give you that mid level cooking source you were looking for. The gas bbq can be used to cook a surprising number of things with oven safe cookware I do pizzas with a pizza stone on the bbq.
Popular_Try_5075@reddit
This is super valuable, thank you for sharing!
curiousitrocity@reddit
Howdy neighbor!
I’ll add that for us, having a chiminea was a game changer that I never expected. It was small and protected from the wind enough to be an efficient way to cook and boil water with wood rather than needing gas or propane.
For food prep, I had already make big batches of soup that I then freeze in ice cube trays or muffin tins. Throw a couple cubes in a pot and a meal was ready with minimal time and effort, as conserving water for cleaning/prepping fresh food became a real issue.
I am glad you and yours made it through and were able to help others in your community. I have a new respect for water in many ways, both its power for destruction, for basic survival and for how much we actually use in daily life that I completely took for granted.
PineapplePiazzas@reddit
The large spending of water for a toilet took me by surprise. If you dont all live close to the woods and can make something there I would think about solutions where no water is used in a toilet.
Unless you live by a huge water source so that flush water is abundant, it seems far out to spend 100s of litres for flushing during an emergency with an undefined time period.
Do you agree or is there concerns Im not accounting for here that made it the only viable choice?
Silver_Star@reddit
There wasn't really a shortage of water, it just wasn't coming from the pipes. Pretty much everywhere had bottles and packs of water, or big cubes of non-potable water explicitly for toilets. The few people that didn't have easy access to that assistance would line their toilet with shall trash bags or plastic shopping bags.
Going out into the woods is a hard sell and feels somewhat barbaric when you still have a perfectly clean, intact bathroom inside, with an increasing stockpile of emergency water supplied by outside responders, and a general sense that things are getting better each day.
PineapplePiazzas@reddit
The trash bags was a good solution if a water shortage. I will look into if there is some kind of special trash bags suitable for toilets. If there is no shortage of water there is nothing to worry about ofc.
You are right going in the woods lacks sophistication. That would not concern me personally as it depends on what priorities that can be made for making the best of available resources.
You mentioned hauls to get water taking up time, but as long as you didnt spend time getting water for toilets, Id say your priorities at least align with mine on that topic.
swampjuicesheila@reddit
How about using contractor trash bags for toilet purposes?
PineapplePiazzas@reddit
Whatever floats your boat. Searching up "portable toilet bags" brings up some biodegradable ones for the purpose and also made for some kinda c lightweight camping chair.
Thats what I would go for as disposing of them can be easy then, with the outlook that the garbage trucks may also be out of service for an unforseeable time.
Silver_Star@reddit
I'm not OP but I was in Asheville during Helene and had an identical experience to the body of the top level post.
Amphetamineglow@reddit
Howdy, neighbor! (West Asheville) We weren’t in terrible shape (had extra food, propane, radio) but it was kind of by chance. We never imagined it would be so bad. Joined this sub & started prepping more right afterwards - we swore to never leave it to chance again.
Excellent post - all very good advice. Glad y’all are doing ok.
nakedonmygoat@reddit
Thank you for all of this, OP. It sounds like your prep was mostly spot-on!
And thank you for not saying Asheville was hit by a hurricane. I live on the Gulf Coast and have been through three direct hit hurricanes, as well as multiple tropical storms. That's what Helene still was when it got to Asheville - a tropical storm. But a hurricane is a different beast, and it drives me bonkers when people don't know the difference. In general, a hurricane is lots of wind, but moves through quickly. Most flooding is from storm surge along the coast and inland waterways where winds and surge send water back up the rivers and bayous.
Once a hurricane is over land, it downgrades and slows. It starts dumping water like mad, and now you have inland flood risks. While there may still be wind risks, depending on the strength of the hurricane at landfall, your biggest concern will be rain. Those bastards can stall out over land, and with the Asheville area having already gotten a lot of rain prior to Helene, it was a disaster waiting to happen.
Regarding Point #1: What you experienced is normal disaster behavior. When people know that help will come, they don't turn into animals, so folks need to quit believing the myths. I've lived it myself, over and over. Once the storm has passed, everyone is out in the streets helping clear them for emergency vehicles. They're sharing food and supplies. I've gone weeks at a time without power and everyone is still helping out in any way they can.
Regarding Point #5: Get a camp toilet and lots of extra bags. It saves your water. And if it's just #1, a little more water isn't going to hurt the grass any further.
Regarding Point #6: Urban preppers like me stock baby wipes and dry shampoo. This would also be useful in a desert environment. Just remember that wipes do dry out over time, even unopened. If one doesn't have a regular use for them, they need to be rotated out annually.
Regarding Point #7: Consider rechargeable LED light bulbs. You use them like ordinary light bulbs, but when the power goes out, your lights still work. They're rated for different numbers of hours, so it's important to have a way to recharge them during an extended outage. But for the first few days, they're very nice. Having your lamps and overhead lights work is a great morale booster.
And speaking of morale, what did you do for that, OP? Mine are:
TheRealBunkerJohn@reddit
OP, I'll add this to the Disaster Accounts section of the Wiki unless you'd prefer not to (just comment and let me know if that's the case.) Thank you for the write up!
Odd_Afternoon1758@reddit (OP)
That's fine with me. I could be more concise with a list of helpful items / didn't need. As folks are replying I'll likely answer questions with more thoughts about my experience and ideas prepping forward for the next thing. But please share to the Wiki if you like.
mrpoopybuttface@reddit
Thank you for taking the time to write this up. Very insightful and helpful.
mceleanor@reddit
Thank you for this. This is the sort of prepping that I am trying to do! This was a good realization that I should stock up on water. And I should buy a generator!
waltybishop@reddit
Thank you for posting this. I really like seeing people talk about actual experiences and what they took away from it. It’s good to read about all the prepping techniques etc but every time I see a post like this I feel like it provides invaluable insight that can’t be gained from not actually living through an experience that puts the prepping to the test.